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Kazaa Loses P2P Crown To Edonkey
I(rispee_I(reme writes "According to the network population stats at slyck, FastTrack (home of Kazaa) is no longer the most populous filesharing network. Top honors now belong to edonkey, a network of German origins. (Most edonkey users connect with emule, a gpl client for Windows)."
No wonder I can find so much David Hasselhoff stuff on edonkey.
If you're in a hurry, try something else.
I was looking for PS2 Linux a while ago, and the only place I could
find it was on eDonkey. 10-15 people shared it, so I started the
download, and went out to buy a USB keyboard and mouse. After letting
eDonkey run for about 1 week, my brand new and unused keyboard+mouse
had collected enough dust, so I gave up and uninstalled it in frustration.
The same day I found a guy on a DC++ Hub that had the two DVD iso's online.
Downloaded them in a couple of hours, and had the thing installed on my PS2
a little later the same evening.
eDonkey may have lots of users and files, but MAAAN it's slow!
At least in my personnal circle of friends, the reason why Kazaa usage stopped was the effective killing off of Kazaa lite.
I've noticed a *drastic* deterioration of quality of content lately, having all those kazaa losers coming over would explain that.
Now, being #1, means the industries will start targeting ed2k and its associated clients next.
Greaaaat...
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see what happens when you let anyone grab the code
you get a true distributed P2P system that is free and highly expandable
grab the source and make a great app even better and more secure
Amongst the kids (which I'm no longer) Soulseek is the P2P of choice. Partially because it's so easy to find a friend's files.
eDonkey has its place. I use it to download MST3K episodes from www.dapcentral.org. It's slow, but I've never had a single corrupt download. When you're talking 4.7 GB (in some cases) it's pretty damn good.
I'm not sure why the link goes to slyck.com instead of the actual news story, but the direct link is here
Most P2P clients I've found nowadays are either spyware infested and bloated with so many unnecessary features that they consume more memory than I'm willing to give up.
That, or there aren't enough users on the network to make it worthwhile.
Anyone know of a decent alternative?
Maybe you are. I don't know. What I do know is that donkeys are asses. Mules are, well, mules. And sterile. Cross species lovin' doesn't pay.
Current stats from the slyck page:
FastTrack 2,493,637 eDonkey2K 2,402,593
Eh?More like... nerdular nerdence!
edonkey has an interesting race to the bottom characteristic. If you give it all your bandwidth you will end up sharing 5-10 times the size you originally intended to download. So any emule user with a clue will cap his upload bandwidth, which makes everyone else slow. Edonkey may be the place to find stuff, but it's not the place to download large binaries.
did you forget to take your meds?
Now all the Overpeers, Cyveillances, BayTSPs, and other black-helicopter traitor-to-freedom companies will be out in force on eMule.
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Parent is dead right.
... but I suppose that was bound to happen when you move from exchanging 4mb mp3 files, to 4GB vob archives :)
eD2k rewards people for uploading, but seems to reward people for sitting in queue better.
The way to effectively get files with ed2k is with a 10GB queue of content which you just forget about for a week or two. -- It's a bit of a culture change after kazaa and napster where you immediatly start downloading files.
My all time favourite client for accessing eDonkey, Gnutella, Gnutella 2 and Bitorrents, all in one shiney app is Shareaza. This is one great client that I've had wonderful success with. I recommend it as easy to use and very powerful.
The reason I use ed2k (through the emule client) is that the community is by and large really into file-sharing, NOT file-trading. Hence, you can readily find years-old material for download. In pristine uncorrupted condition no less.
P2P networks like Bittorrent and DC++ have an air
of "grab all you can and go offline, fuck the other guy" attitude that I really detest. Not to mention that they're only really good for brand new releases...
Haven't heard of Kazaa Lite Resurrection?
Now thanks to that statistic the hired goons of the MPAA and RIAA will be trying to break the Donkey's legs.
"Knock, knock, who's there?
Goons.
Who?
Hired goons.
punch-beat-pummel-club-club-stab..."
Ideally, name them all profanely, such as fuckcock, shitcunt, ect.
That way, you make the **AA's press releases completely useless, the evening news won't talk about it, the networks are far less likely to be full of fake files, as there are too many to police.
Meanwhile, I will continue to use Shitwhorrent!
It works already!
btw, i run eMule 24/7 serving freeware files. no I actually do, i don't share copyright stuff, got caught doing that already (watch out Movie fans! don't share those files for months on end). i'm always uploading freeware aswell so i know it's a popular distribution mechanism for that.
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It seems that the RIAA is hiring programmers to 'alter current internal software suite ('AutoSue CopyProtector') to incorporate new networks and TCP IP protocols..'
now, as far as speed, like many people have mentioned, it can be slow. I'm sure I'm over simplifying, but think of ed2k the same as BitTorrent, only instead of the queueing of bandwidth being for only one single file, it is for your entire list of files. It can take quite a long time to complete downloads, but knowing that you're going to get a nice, uncorrupted file makes it worthwhile.
eMule, the open source variant, contains many enhancements over the standard eDonkey client, and there are numerous mods in circulation. this can include Fakelist databases, ip to country checking, and the ability to tweak your bandwidth usage. there is also a web-based and mobile (cell phone) client built in so you can monitor your eMule from anywhere.
It should be noted that there is a Legal Content Database hosted by the project, containing links to freeware/shareware and public domain stuff.
look at the number at the bottom on the suprnova.org website:
181473 seeded torrents (295138 total), 2594211 seeds & 4043961 downloaders (6638172 peers), on 1317 active trackers
I have no issues with emule speed; just open up your upload pipe and it should go quick enough. I normaly cap my download pipe in an hour or so.
"Top honors now belong to edonkey, a network of German origins.
And it too will eventially become the focus of the RIAA, whereupon it will lose users and be knocked off of its top spot in favor of the new P2P network of the moment. maybe the KazPlat network. Who knows, but it's inevitable.
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Please enlighten me: Why do most users use eMule? I heard that it a) has compatibility problems on the ED2K network, and b) is based on an old version of Edonkey (v60?) and does not support Horde. Is this true? I've been staying away from it as I don't want to cause problems on the wonderful network. Plus, Overnet works great.
It sucks that Overnet/eDonkey is becoming popular. That means it will be the next to be shut down by the likes of RIAA/MPAA. :( Overnet rocks.
Edonkey and the network have U.S. origins - http://www.edonkey2000.com/contact.html
Although Emule, which I think is now the most popular client, has German origins.
That's because the PS2 linux dev kit is warez.
Wow! You mean the eDonkey software is able to detect whether a given file infringes copyright, and automatically makes sure that those, and only those, files are incredibly slow downloads? That's better than anything the MPAA has!
I am Sartre of the Borg. Existence is futile.
The main reason I use eDonkey2000? ed2k links. You can click on a link that has a MD5 hash of the file you want from an HTML file and it immediately places the download in your eDonkey queue without having you to search for the file yourself. It's great for finding file releases that have a lot of sources, thereby quickening your download.
Honestly, nothing compares to an intelligent blend of binary newsgroups, IRC, and torrents (when I am getting desperate only!) And I officially predict this post as flamebait
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There's some non-copyright stuff out there.
I don't use any of the P2P filesharing apps, the combination of ftp and knowing the right people worked before, it works still, and it'll work 10 years from now after congress has laid down 90000 laws specific to "P2P networks".
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Currently FastTrack and eDonkey are the two top peer to peer networks. In almost every conceivable way, eDonkey is better than FastTrack. The reason FastTrack is popular at all is because it was the first decentralized network to pick up steam after the demise of Napster. They quickly rose to 4 million users, far above every other network.
But after decentralization, no new features were added. Instead, lots and lots and lots of spyware was bundled into the Kazaa Client by Sharman Networks inc. Kazaa Lite, the popular non-spyware altnerative, was shut down by this same company. Several DMCA notices were issued to sites hosting Kazaa Lite.
In the long run, a better client will supercede a poorer client once word of mouth gets around. And eDonkey far exceeds Kazaa with these features:
Hashing (fingerprinting, prevents fake files)
Swarming downloads
ed2k link sites (fingerprint information on specific files in the form of html code)
No spyware (for eMule)
Lots of different clients to choose from
In short, Sharman killed off their network by spending way too much time generating ad revenue, and not using that revenue to improve their client. There have been no important feature additions in years. This day has been long time coming.
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Torrent + Hacked Kazaa = Search Capabilities + P2P + Ability to Actually Download Stuff
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I gave up on edonkey, because whenever I found a file and tried to download it, it would place me in a queue, sometimes over 1500 long. You need patience to use this thing.
On a related note, Sharezaa supports edonkey.
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I don't know why anyone would bother with eMule anymore. The Horde is probably the best implementation of an anti leech system I've ever seen, and more importantly, it works well. You partner with other clients, and you both exchange parts you both need. Takes care of the leeching problem nicely, and gets you your download in a timely manner. Highly recommended.
I tried eDarl, but couldn't get it to work. Kept asking for a license fee for stolen code, but I didn't know what it was talking about, so I deleted it.
That would be because it's not a leaching network. You get back what you put in, if you want to leech your not welcome here.
The clients have been designed for fairness and _sharing_ rather than grab as much as you can and then go offline.
DC on the other hand is this mentality, you can keep your leaching corrupt network.
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Regardless of "who's on top" or "who's bigger than whom," the fact that there are multiple, competing and viable peer-to-peer sharing platforms, should give most open-minded people a good, winning feeling. Fair use is a great thing, and some folks resent paying for four or five different forms (records, eight-track, cassette tapes, CDs, Music DVDs, digital MP3s) of the same exact song, piece of software or movie; simply because the old medium type was retired, or because the old media reached the end of its short useful lifespan. Wouldn't it be nice to buy a song, and have the right to listen to that song...forever?
Yet, I digress. The media companies have, for too long now, held the consumers and the actual artists responsible for the art-form in question, hostage. The artists aren't losing the vast majority of their profits on P2P...it's the large corporations that take the lion's share of the end product that ends up with losses. I say turn all media digital, and have us pay for only the individual songs, videos, or whatever piece of work you actually like, and get rid of the rest of the album filler...and associated over-head cost. I'll bet people would like that a lot...and I think that P2P integrated with a useable, small cash payment system, is going to really hurt the greedy media companies, while helping bring more of the end profit directly to the artists responsible.
Why Shareaza?
- Gnutella support
- Gnutella2 support
- Edonkey2000 support
- BitTorrent support
- Free!
- No Spyware.
- Open Source. Really!
Where do I get it? Download (via Sourceforge:UMN)I'm suprised no one has mentioned it already, but mldonkey is a nice cross-platform edonkey client. It runs pretty nicely on Linux (and somewhat decently on Windows) and comes with a web and telnet interface (it also supports third-party GUI clients).
As an added benefit, mldonkey supports FastTrack, Gnutella 1 and 2, DirectConnect, SoulSeek, Bittorrent, OpenNap...you get the idea. I've been using it for a couple of years, and it's replaced every P2P client for me.
Oh, edonkey is a great network to find PDFs of textbooks - a godsend for students.
I'm Trappped at Berkeley.
eDonkey is definitely not about speed. Bittorrent usually end up with much faster downloads. I consider it as my "archive" ressource. It's way easier to find old and obscure files on that than on bittorrent sites.
One feature I particularly like about eMule is that it supports both server-based operation and decentralized Kademlia (a kind of distributed hash table) searching. The two systems work together nicely and usually end up with more sources than one one of them.
>eD2k rewards people for uploading, but seems to >reward people for sitting in queue better.
it rewards for not capping your upload in the software, but if you use an outgoing traffic limiting thing at the router the software knowns no different. i get the same dl speed if i'm giving my full 40k up (ack) or limiting it to 5k~10k
you can't have everything, where would you put it?
Bittorrent is no better than vanilla FTP for "file sharing"! You can't hide your illegal activity behind it because it only works best if you PUBLISH [it better be legal!]what you're offering for download...exactly opposite of Kazzaa & such. Bittorrent isn't designed with "privacy" features...nor is it designed to catalog what you want to share. It's purly a distribution mechanism to ease the bandwidth issues... i.e. it's designed so the legal publishers can distribute files w/o paying enourmous bandwidth fees...think of it as "paying" for the download by sharing with the next person...
Bittorrent is to allow sites with large files to BENIFIT from the /. effect!!!
A lot of people don't realize you have to punch one or two holes in your firewall in order for Edonkey to work at good speeds. It's true that Edonkey is generally slow, but I think the impression that it is "ass-slow" comes from having to configure Edonkey to work through firewalls or suffer grave consequences.
Once Edonkey has you recognized as "Available", then speeds will start to pick up. Yea, you won't get 200kb/sec. downloads, but you'll get 30k/sec or so, and will be able to find stuff you can't normally find on Kazaa and other networks.
I use Edonkey in a set-it-and-forget-it way.
Now that Edonkey has a bittorrent plug-in, things are even better. Bittorrent is still (IMO) the fastest way to get files (if you can find a good torrent), but Edonkey does something very nice by allowing you to download a file from Bittorrent peers AND Edonkey peers simultaneously... that's pretty neat! I'd like it if they develop that plug-in even further.
A couple of things you need to understand about the technology before you immediately jump out and declare it to be "slow".
Firstly, you need to open several ports on your firewall to ensure you have a "highid", which is, for our purposes here, a measure of your connectivity to the network and therefore your usefulness as an uploader.
Secondly, you must understand that eMule uses a "credit" system. Your place on other people's queue is not simply determined on a first come first served basis. You continually jostle with other people in queues for the upload/download position. Some of the key helpers for getting a good spot in the queue: Good credit rating. If you upload a lot of stuff to the network, you will have good credit and you will quickly reach the front of the queue. Your connection speed, especially uploads, will help you. Whether you are uploading to the person you are downloading from will help. Whether you have a high-id or not (high-id's are very important!).
eDonkey/mule is a long term download program, and should not be confused with bittorrent or DCC. Once you've been online for a while with eDonkey, you will find that you achieve downloads more quickly, and you will have a better experience.
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The speeds are asymmetric because the ISPs have found that people just don't care. They advertise downstream all over the place, but the common person (i.e., one who does not get the service with the specific intent to share) wouldn't even notice the upload cap - for things like browsing, it's just not a problem.
This means, of course, that they get to charge much more for high uploads... They win either way. Ever notice how the DSL/Cable TOS always specify that you're not supposed to be hosting a server?
Make sure your firewall is setup properly (if you don't have the right ports forwarded it's sloooow).
eMule is not the fastest thing out there but because of the unique file ID's and the comments function I am always downloading exactly what I al looking for. Also, I never get file errors on big ISO's etc.
Overall though I prefer Torrent but the variety of stuff isn't there.
You get higher priority to download from users that you're uploading to. The system is set up so that people trade file chunks with each other that each person is missing. Uploading more gives you overall higher priority to download.
The "5-10 times" is highly exaggerated. Usually, I'm uploading about 1/3 to 1/2 of what I'm downloading, which is right for this network.
eDonkey has always been the premiere place to download large binaries. You just don't find good 800+MB files on Kazaa or anything else. Often, you can determine the validity of a file on eMule just by doing a search and sorting by availability. The highest availability is always (in every case I've tried) exactly what I'm looking for. eMule even highlights high availability hashes with blue.
the credit system has now been secured, you can see the docs for details. hash stealing (credit theft) was a problem for a while, no longer.
eMule is not an elitist network at all, it's the opposite. unlike DC++ etc. it requires very little user knowledge or share material. it does however take some time in some cases. it is fine for people who only want one album every other week. start it up, get your album, quit the app. in the time between the download finishing and you noticiing, on average you've done your bit for the network.
this is all based on real experience using eMule. you should try it, it's got so popular for a reason.
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Set up your broadband router to prioritize regular or ToS MINIMIZE_DELAY packets above MAXIMIZE_THROUGHPUT packets, run mldonkey EGID mldonkey, and set your box to reclassify stuff from EGID mldonkey programs as MAXIMIZE_THROUGHPUT.
You can use your full outbound connection, keep it constantly saturated, and it won't affect web browsing or gaming performance at all.
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Users also operate the servers on Edonkey2000 and KaZaA, although there appears to be less community-organisation and restriction surrounding their networks. With Edonkey2000, the program remains connect whenever you are online, so you may be vulnerable to hackers, as the program will not operate from behind a firewall, but there is no spyware. KaZaA on the other hand has built in spyware, which will deter many potential users.
Edonkey2000 is a unique peer-to-peer sharer in its transfer system. Files are hash identified and transferred in "chunks". This means the donkey can identify identical files even if they have been renamed, increasing the potential of downloading the entire file. Because of the hash identification files can be uploaded before they have completed downloading - the "chunks" that have been received are immediately shared. Files propagate quickly over the donkey network, and the automatic resume feature has high success even after a reboot. One thing to remember though - check there is room on your incoming folder drive for the entire file - you can only change it by completing or cancelling all your downloads, and you don't want to miss the last few chunks of your file. Although this ingenious file sharing system means the donkey is reliable for getting entire files the downloads are very slow - you have to have a lot of patience.
Direct Connect is a slow downloader as well. Users with a lot of files to share can get access to servers restricted to broadband users, which speeds transfers up a little, but one again you don't wouldn't want to be on a hurry. Direct Connect users a direct file transfer system and also has an auto-resume feature which completes file downloading from any user with the file. Direct Connect doesn't uniquely identify files and will not recognise variations in file names like Edonkey2000. On-the-ball users can rename their file and continue downloading from a new source if they identify it by the file size with a name variation.
KaZaA downloads files from various sources at the same time, to speed up the transfer rate. The software downloads a file from several sources and the pieces are reassembled into a single file on the receiver's drive. Like Direct Connect and the donkey, KaZaA has a reliable resume feature if a transfer is interrupted, however like Direct Connect resumes will only recognise sources with identical file names. Users report KaZaA is one of the speedier peer-to-peer sharers, but once again, patience is in order, and broadband users will get the most from this program.
All three programs have search features. Edonkey2000 has quick searches, and also offers an availability search, although the value of this is questionable. Direct Connect users can search particular hubs for material and although some users report it is time consuming going from hub to hub, the program does have an option to search the entire network. Direct Connect's sloppy interface has made this feature hard to find for some users. KaZaA has various search options and users report it is quick and reliable. Download times are shown with search results. KaZaA will also allow you to search for files not only by name, but by any keyword found in the stored description of the file. When files
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I just finished downloading an obscure cartoon "The fantastic adventures of unico.avi". It took almost three weeks, but it was not available ANYWHERE else (torrent links were busted as well). eDonkey reported only 3 sources, but over time, new sources popped on to give me critical bits of the file.
Now, I see that it is widley available and I think the eDonkey method of distributing files is to be credited for this. I personally leave my client running overnight just to repay those that helped me get that file.
I'm probably not making sense... overtired and sick. My point is: eDonkey is very good - patience can be very rewarding with this client.
It has seldom been pointed out, but there is a good advantage coming with this slowness:
Files can easily live on the net without anyone having the entire file on their harddrive!
Many odd and unusual files can be retrievable for years after anybody stopped keeping a share of them. As long as at least 10-20 people are trying to download it, there is a fair chance that they together have all the needed parts and they will stay on long enough for new people to join in and start downloading so no part of the file disappears completely.
Sure, this is true for any smart P2P network that can start sharing before download completes, but with faster networks such as BitTorrent you much easier get incomplete files since everybody is downloading/sharing it for a much shorter time, decreasing the likelihood that the downloads overlap sufficiently to keep the file alive.
That isn't to say that eMule doesn't have incomplete files, but they are usually the result of the original provider having taken them away too soon, before all the parts of the file had spread enough.
No. The right place to download 800MB+ Files is BitTorrent.
you just don't get high enough speeds on eDonkey.
I have found the eDonkey client better then emule, mlDonkey and shareaza. With the bittorrent, fasttrack, ftp, http and g1 plugin the speeds you get are vastly better. As well I always like overnet better then the edonkey network and I never found kad that good.
The little I saw, it actually looked pretty decent, only problem was lack of "material".
The real problem with many 3rd gen P2P networks is that they do not scale. Freenet appears to work, but its hill-climbing algorithm breaks down because of the inherent inaccuracy in the routing. To a certain point, it works like a charm - the nodes form a single "hill". Past a certain point though, it just breaks down. You end up with trying to find the right sand dune in Sahara to climb. Yes, I've read the papers. No, it doesn't work in real life.
That combined with application-level tools that simply can not scale is making it impossible. Freenet message boards operate under a simple increment test "Is there a message 13?" "Yes" "Is there a message 14?" "No, then let's insert message 14" and obviously, if there was 100s or 1000s of users in a group, there'd be mass collisions.
Mostly any 3rd gen P2P network works if it is small enough. At the lowest level, a dumbfire system (all talk to all works). Somewhere past that, you have basic routing. Somewhere past that, the hill-climbing algorithm works. But for a network to scale to millions of people, I haven't seen any viable solution.
And that is just for content-routing. If you intend to make it anonymous as well, there are a host of challenges beyond not sending content directly, including but not limited to probing, posioning, traffic analysis, fake referrals and whatnot. These are all non-trivial problems, in particular since you have NO feedback as to whether your contact delivered his message intact or at all and you can not trust anything it claims came from another node (which may all be forged nodes created by your contact).
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