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FCC Internet Grant Decision Riles Congress

museumpeace writes "The FCC, with no advance notice to congress, effectively made substantial cuts in the funding for the program that subsidizes provision of internet connection to libraries and poorer school systems. This was not small potatoes: 2.5 billion buys a lot of connection. [confess your real identity to them and the ] NYTimes will tell you all about the uproar. The ostensible cause according to FCC officials, who annoyed congressfolk by dodging the inquiry, was an attemp to control possible fraudulent spending in the program but FCC actions then went far beyond fiscal oversight. FCC deference to phone companies by way of reducing the amount they were required to contribute to the program has compounded its financial woes according to Technology Review which also covered the story. [and which will also require a "free" registration]"

214 comments

  1. E-Rate was a mess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The E-Rate Program was incredibly corrupt with lots of companies getting illegal kickbacks. They had to restrict it so they could at the very least clean it up. I don't see how allowing things to continue as they were was a good idea.

    1. Re:E-Rate was a mess by sgant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not that...it's that the FCC didn't tell anyone they were going to do this...like Congress.

      The FCC is again just acting like they have no one overseeing what they're doing...and they had to be reminded that they do indeed have people watching what they're doing.

      Funding for the FCC needs to be cut WAY back itself...they are tending to stick their noses where it just doesn't belong...at all. But that's another matter.

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    2. Re:E-Rate was a mess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It's not that...it's that the FCC didn't tell anyone they were going to do this...like Congress.

      Congress granted the FCC this power. If they wanted more warning, they should have written the law to require it.

      The FCC is again just acting like they have no one overseeing what they're doing

      The president oversees what the FCC does. The FCC is part of the executive branch. Don't like this? Tell it to the president.

    3. Re:E-Rate was a mess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't see how allowing things to continue as they were was a good idea.

      You know the expression "throwing the baby out with the bathwater"? Arbitrarily shutting the program down without notification, under the intent of stopping abuse (at the expense of a majority of programs that are not part of the abuse) is a great way to get new FCC commissioners.

      I have E-Rate customers (mostly school districts). Last year, several had their paperwork rejected (clerical errors by the district staff rejected by E-Rate and the E-Rate administrators would not permit a "re-application" to correct the minor errors). We carried them at a loss of over $20K per district. We made sure to update our paperwork to prevent against having to carry the loss in the future - whether or not your mom and dad give you $10 to help buy lunch is not McDonald's responsibility.

      Guess what? Several districts are now faced with being shut off. No Internet. They don't have the budget to make up the E-Rate difference - heck, they already had to reduce several teaching positions in several districts. They looked at us to absorb it again, but after $80K missing from last year on a customer who at their current rate is 60% of what I make on the same business broadband (and they use every bit of bandwidth I give them). Per the corruption issues, a subsidy for broadband provided at less than my cost is far from an issue (though I am aware of some incumbant LECs that have abused it). Want to shut down a corrupt broadband program? RUS grants and low interest loans - mostly used as ILEC political reward money. Many of the grants in our region are given to totally inept, unqualified but politically influencial incumbant phone monopolies. Oh well, it's just your tax money being given back to keep your phone company in position to monopolize the network for another 50 years.

      So I would imagine the FCC's effect will be causing an Internet blackout for schools and libraries. Senators are already getting called by administrators, and Senators should have no problem removing a rather corrupt FCC (mind you, I'm of the same political party as the President, a licensed amateur radio operator, own commercial licenses and am highly disgusted with this cash & carry FCC).

    4. Re:E-Rate was a mess by Ho-Lee-Cow! · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And the single best way I the FCC is to investigate the hell out of Michael Powell and his cronies to find out who is in their pockets.

      I think that the shady dealings of the FCC merit a special prosecutor, and have for some years.

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    5. Re:E-Rate was a mess by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Funding for the FCC needs to be cut WAY back itself...they are tending to stick their noses where it just doesn't belong...at all.

      If this ship is not heading where you want it to go, you won't correct that problem by dropping the sail. You have to adjust the rudder.

      Trying to correct an out-of-control FCC by just cutting it's funding is likely to get you an FCC which is still heading the wrong way, but perhaps in a less-effective fashion.

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    6. Re:E-Rate was a mess by ortcutt · · Score: 3, Informative
      True. That wasn't in dispute, and no one was suggesting that things should continue as they are. The question is whether the steps the FCC have taken are necessary and effective to deal with the fraud. The NY Times article made this quite clear.
      At Tuesday's hearing, lawmakers and an executive of Universal Service said that many of the most significant changes would not make it easier to perform audits or root out fraud and waste. That acknowledgment prompted concern from the lawmakers.

      "It's really difficult to understand why these changes were made,'' said Senator Olympia J. Snowe, a Maine Republican who helped draft the legislation that created the E-Rate program in 1996.

      Senator Conrad Burns, Republican of Montana, also criticized the tighter regulations, which have led to a cash squeeze at the program, and the recent quick sale of the program's investments.

      "I fail to see how these series of events have led to a more efficient management of the funds,'' he said.

    7. Re:E-Rate was a mess by Ceyan · · Score: 1

      I think the problem is that the FCC has a ton of redundant operations and several programs that the public views as "unnessecary" (which I agree with), but cutting back support for Public Schools and Libraries doesn't fix either of the two problems mentioned above.

      Plus, think about it, you (figuratively) are cutting back money to a department because you believe it's illegally spending or wasting money. That's wrong on so many levels, first it alerts the public that a serious problem is going on. Second, you aren't addressing the problem (you might address it afterwards, but it's kinda pointless now because people are alert that somethings up). Third, no matter how you look at it you are seriously hurting a major critical function of the nation (education) rather than something with less impact.

    8. Re:E-Rate was a mess by caseydk · · Score: 1, Insightful


      Better yet, let's close down everything that is not explicitly covered by the Constitution.

      We'd probably cut the budget by 50% in 1 year's time.

    9. Re:E-Rate was a mess by sgant · · Score: 1

      The president oversees what the FCC does. The FCC is part of the executive branch. Don't like this? Tell it to the president.

      Fine, I will!

      Er....what's the President's phone number again?

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    10. Re:E-Rate was a mess by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree.. why should the FCC have such powers? They're not elected or representative of the people. Isn't that how democracy is supposed to work?

    11. Re:E-Rate was a mess by squiggleslash · · Score: 1
      It's 202-456-1414. Ask for George. Though as this is just a comment, you might want to call 202-456-1111.

      More information here. Hey, you did ask!

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    12. Re:E-Rate was a mess by sgant · · Score: 1

      Bah...they keep saying "He's busy sir"

      Oh sure...like HE'S so busy.

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    13. Re:E-Rate was a mess by robertjw · · Score: 1

      If this ship is not heading where you want it to go, you won't correct that problem by dropping the sail. You have to adjust the rudder.

      But a torpedo might work nicely...

    14. Re:E-Rate was a mess by ortcutt · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually you better ask for Cheney. Otherwise, Bush is going to mess up the big words when he has to relay the message to him.

    15. Re:E-Rate was a mess by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      Are you overcharging and overspecing the equiptment that is going into these schools like so many others have? Some e-rate 'contractors' have been installing gbit managed layer 3/4/5 switches into schools that only have t1's and CAT3 cable.

    16. Re:E-Rate was a mess by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

      I think that's a great idea for the most part.

      I especially like the bit where we get rid of income taxes. They're not covered in the constitution either...

    17. Re:E-Rate was a mess by AoT · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey!

      It's hard work, you know.

      It's hard work.

    18. Re:E-Rate was a mess by Seanasy · · Score: 1
      They're not elected or representative of the people. Isn't that how democracy is supposed to work?

      Insightful? Uhh.... you can say that about the IRS, USGS, NASA, FBI. etc. "Who are these NASA people deciding I can't ride on that moon rocket, anyway? They're not elected."

    19. Re:E-Rate was a mess by keyshawn632 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well they are [representatives of the people], just not directly.

      They five FCC comissioners, (which, no more than 3 of them can be from the same political party), are appointed by the President and approved by the Senate. They serve Five year terms.

      The Head, Michael Powell [Colin's son] was put on by Clinton in 96, and Bush promoted Powell to head commissioner Jan. 2001.

      Want them to change ? Vote for your electoral college candidates' choices on Nov. 2nd.

      [Or just start a revolution :p] /just finished an outline on the FCC for AP Govt

    20. Re:E-Rate was a mess by jmorris42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > Better yet, let's close down everything that is not explicitly covered
      > by the Constitution.

      Preach it brother! Can we get an Amen on that?

      And I'll add in a great big Hell Yea for good measure.

      Especially in the case of the SLC. The FCC had no business ever getting into that business in the first place and it has only caused problems since its inception. We wouldn't be fighting off the CIPA & COPA censors if it were not for those "federal monies" (read cash ripped screaming from end users by way of the telcos) introduced into the state and local schools and public libraries.

      And you are exactly on target with where to attack this problem, and that is at the root. Doesn't matter whether the program is effective, whether you think it is a good idea or what. It isn't constituitional, like most of the current Federal government.

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    21. Re:E-Rate was a mess by Soporific · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the none of those agencies fine you for speech either, which is what the FCC is doing.

      ~S

    22. Re:E-Rate was a mess by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 1

      I guess we need some mechanism for government agencies, but I would like to see greater accountability. Autonomous gov't entities scare me when they're granted powers like the FCC.

    23. Re:E-Rate was a mess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that the FCC was created as a way to pass laws without congress having to go through the hassle of making the laws themselves, even though the US Constitution expressly states that congress is THE ONLY LAW MAKING BODY in the federal government. Technically the FCC shouldn't even exist, and I think all this boohoo shit about them cutting funding to some library is stupid. Libraries should be funded by local government only.

      All the little sissy-pants regulatory commissions like the FCC, FEC, FAA, EPA, blah blah blah should all be abolished.

    24. Re:E-Rate was a mess by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

      It was also the reward for installing CIPA-mandated Internet filters on your connection (no filter, no E-Rate). If it's getting cut back, this means there's less of a penalty for not using filters. W00t.

    25. Re:E-Rate was a mess by Seanasy · · Score: 1

      Agreed, but the agencies are beholden to the government (Congress or the White House). We can make them accountable through elections and making representative know we don't like the agency's policy.

      The agency has to have some autonomy to do their job but if they keep F'ing it up the FCC has, they need to be slapped. McCain and the others seem to be doing that. Here's hoping...

  2. *cough* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Internet Grants Cut, and F.C.C. Scolded
    By STEPHEN LABATON

    Published: October 6, 2004

    ASHINGTON, Oct. 5 - The Federal Communications Commission came under sharp criticism in Congress on Tuesday over a series of decisions that have led to the suspension of a $2.25 billion program that pays for telephone and Internet services at public schools and libraries.

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    The suspension, which began without notice two months ago, has caused hardships in many school districts and communities, which have had to postpone paying bills or take money from other projects. By one estimate, as much as $1 billion in expected grants could be suspended by the end of the year.

    The company that administers the program issued a suspension on new grants as it wrestled with new accounting standards and tighter spending limits imposed on it by the F.C.C.

    A hearing Tuesday before the Senate Commerce Committee had originally been called to examine waste at the so-called E-Rate program, which administers telephone and Internet services for schools and libraries. But three of the four senators present focused instead on the F.C.C.'s decision to impose tighter spending restrictions.

    The fourth senator, John McCain of Arizona, the Republican chairman of the committee, pressed the witnesses about what steps were being undertaken to monitor the program in light of a series of fraud cases involving telephone companies and equipment makers over the last few years. He expressed irritation that Congress had not been notified about the suspension of the program.

    Frank Gumper, the chairman of the Universal Service Administrative Company, the nonprofit organization that oversees the E-Rate program, told lawmakers that the F.C.C.'s decision last week to order a quick sale of more than $3 billion of the program's investments had resulted in a loss of almost $5 million.

    Guidelines for making those investments had been approved in July by top officials in the office of Michael K. Powell, chairman of the F.C.C. But the investments had to be liquidated after the commission later concluded that they impinged on the company's ability to make payouts to schools and libraries.

    Commission officials, who declined a request by the senators to appear at the hearing, have said that spending changes were necessary to audit and monitor the program more effectively. The officials have said they imposed the new restrictions in consultation with the White House budget office. But late last week, administration officials began distancing themselves from the changes, noting that the budget office has never issued a formal opinion on the matter.

    At Tuesday's hearing, lawmakers and an executive of Universal Service said that many of the most significant changes would not make it easier to perform audits or root out fraud and waste.

    That acknowledgment prompted concern from the lawmakers.

    "It's really difficult to understand why these changes were made,'' said Senator Olympia J. Snowe, a Maine Republican who helped draft the legislation that created the E-Rate program in 1996.

    Senator Conrad Burns, Republican of Montana, also criticized the tighter regulations, which have led to a cash squeeze at the program, and the recent quick sale of the program's investments.

    "I fail to see how these series of events have led to a more efficient management of the funds,'' he said.

    Senator John D. Rockefeller IV, a West Virginia Democrat, criticized the F.C.C.'s decision to reduce the contribution level by telephone companies and their customers by $550 million this year, only to find that the E-Rate program, under the new rules, is likely to suffer from a cash squeeze and may need to increase tariffs later to pay schools and libraries.

    He and Ms. Snowe also criticized the commission's decision not to send any officials to the committee who could explain the decision to tighten the spending rules.

    "I'm very disappointed that the F.C.C. declined to

    1. Re:*cough* by ortcutt · · Score: 2, Informative

      Respect fair use by being fair to the copyright holder. Reprinting the whole article isn't.

    2. Re:*cough* by rhkaloge · · Score: 1

      ASHINGTON, Oct. 5 -

      I, for one, welcome our chain-saw handed Overlords.

  3. Tit for Tat by grunt107 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since the FCC is worried about government overspending, they should be rewarded with an equal amount of reduction in funding for them.

    The reduction can be used to then pay for the libraries (and underprivileged) to get internet access.

    1. Re:Tit for Tat by Sqwubbsy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course, we could find another corrupt organization to control distribution or, even more radical, let the localities KEEP their money and spend it on the things they need instead of keep bureaucrats employed. Oh wait, this is /. and not the WSJ discussion forum.

    2. Re:Tit for Tat by patches · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Although I think that Internet access in schools, and libraries are a good thing, why is it that it has to be the Federal Government's job to give them internet access.

      If you as a constituant think that your local schools and libraries need internet access then you lobby your State or Local governments and let them fund it. I don't see anywhere in the Constitution where the Federal Governement is required to fund Internet connections, and I do see where anything not specifically listed in the Constitution is reserved for the States. So I see this as really a non-issue. I don't feel that the FCC should be funding this anyway. Let the States or even Local governments handle this.

      I will also give you my reasoning for why the Federal Government should stick to only doing what the Constitution says it should do and let the States do all the other things. The government, like anyone else, cannot do things for free. Everything that a government does requires money. The problem is that the Federal Government has accountability to EVERY American. So your voice of how you think your tax money should be spent is of less significance because you are in a sea of many millions of Americans. Now in the States level, the field of constituants is dramatically cut down, as only residents of that Stateare included. Going one step further to the Local level and the number is a lot less. So you can have more control over how your elected representatives handle your tax money, the further down the chain you go. That is why I feel that the Federal Government should stick to only A) Settling Inter-State disputes, B) Providing for the National Defense of the United States, and C) Handling diplomatic responsibilities for the States. I think the Federal Government should stop doing all the other things they have their sticky little fingers in like Health Care, Education, Social Security, Welfare, etc... The list is rather long...

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    3. Re:Tit for Tat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reduction can be used to then pay for the libraries (and underprivileged) to get internet access.

      because internet access is critical to life...

      just like cable TV and HBO.

      get a life loser. how about FEEDING and getting homes for the underpriviliged?

    4. Re:Tit for Tat by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If you as a constituant think that your local schools and libraries need internet access then you lobby your State or Local governments and let them fund it.

      The reason the Federal government is involved here is because the Federal Government benefits when the population of the entire country is better educated.

      If we poshed this responsibility down to the local level, we'd wind up with (even more of) a two-tiered system where anyone living in big cities, where broadband is readily available, would pay next-to-nothing for great access and people living in rural communities, where broadband is still non-existant, would be paying thousands each to fund access for their school.

      FCC policy we have today is leading us to an Information Superhighway of privately owned toll roads. There are still many people in the US who have only dial-up access to the Internet, only one telecommunications provider to choose from, and no "market opportunity" to effect a change. If we had followed these same policies in deploying the telephone, most of the country would still be relying on the post office for their "telecommunication" needs.

      In my mind, this policy action on behalf of the FCC is just another in a long string of policies designer to ensure that a publically owned internet infrastructure is not allowed to come into existance, in favor of saving that infrastructure for divving-up amount the incumbent, politically powerful, telecommunications carriers and media companies.

      Here's an interesting question to homeowners? Would you be interested in fiber-to-the-curb provided and administered by your local government (city or county government) if the per-month cost for that service was on par with what you currently pay for city/county water? (For those who don't regularly write the check, it's about $15-$30 a month) If a local entity can keep the gallons flowing for this amount, why can't they keep a few routers running for the same money?

      That is why I feel that the Federal Government should stick to only A) Settling Inter-State disputes, B) Providing for the National Defense of the United States, and C) Handling diplomatic responsibilities for the States.

      Is the postal service a legitimate function of the Federal Government?

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    5. Re:Tit for Tat by ortcutt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Michael Powell was on NPR yesterday and he was asked about the fact that FCC only censors broadcast media and not cable and satellite radio. He basically said that this was outdated and suggested that cable and broadcast should be treated similarly. If Bush wins in November, say goodbye to the Sopranos. The thought police have decided that we need protected from the bad words.

    6. Re:Tit for Tat by bitswapper · · Score: 1

      The federal gets involved in much more than you'd like it to because of the inter-state dispute subheading. A number of resources are shared by stated by their nature, and another entity needs to get states to share. Things like water, air, radio waves, commerce, communication.
      The question is where to stop. If you decide let the states slug it out over everything, then there isn't really much of a country left over. So , for those who like the 'united we stand' banner to fly, there needs to be a strong federal government.

      Whether or not they should help schools and libraries is another issue alltogether. This seems to slearly fall outside of the FCC's scope.

    7. Re:Tit for Tat by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      The reason the Federal government is involved here is because the Federal Government benefits when the population of the entire country is better educated.

      Another reason for government involvment is when the return is long-term as opposed to short-term. If the water and sewage systems had to have a five-year payout, we'd all be much worse off.
      It is also to the long-term interests of the cities to do a bit to improve conditions in the hinterlands.

      FCC policy we have today is leading us to an Information Superhighway of privately owned toll roads.
      Information Superhighway?
      That's a rational goal, certainly not what we've accomplished.
      With a mess of privately owned toll roads, we have a mess of goat tracks trying to pretend to be an Information Superhighway.

    8. Re:Tit for Tat by walt-sjc · · Score: 1

      They shouldn't, but we all pay for it in the Universal Service Fee. The USF shouldn't be "federal", it should be 100% "State." This fix is trivial. Congress should take away the money from the FCC and give it directly to the states to administer. IMHO, the fee is way to high. Should be half at best. Frankly, there are better ways for most school districts to get connectivity and communications - wireless for example. Instead of each school getting a T1, the whole district gets a few (or fractional T3) and handles all the telecommunication.

      The fact is, most districts don't have anyone that really knows technology - and this is true in Silicon Valley as well as Minnisota and Maine (although Maine is worse.) Considering what they pay, it's no wonder. Worse, most technology decisions are made by politicians and citizens (school board) who don't know jack about education OR technology. This is why I won't send my child to public school.

    9. Re:Tit for Tat by wrt2 · · Score: 1

      Your suggestion would mean that predominantly rural states would have to pay for unprofitable local phone service either by significantly higher USF contributions from its few metropolitan customers or by raising taxes. Effectively, this would kill landline service in some of the Western states, and would kill landline service in many rural counties across the country. It would have the additional "benefit" of deepening rural/urban political divides. Looking to abandon USF is essentially the same as looking to charge five bucks to send US Mail to a rural route -- it'll have the same impact of the dividing the country for no good reason.

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    10. Re:Tit for Tat by swillden · · Score: 1

      The reason the Federal government is involved here is because the Federal Government benefits when the population of the entire country is better educated.

      You realize that this is the worst possible justification, don't you?

      If the Federal government is allowed to do anything that benefits it, then it's time for me to move to another country, because I don't want to live in this one.

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    11. Re:Tit for Tat by shalla · · Score: 1

      Although I think that Internet access in schools, and libraries are a good thing, why is it that it has to be the Federal Government's job to give them internet access. Because it's a hell of a lot cheaper to pay for Internet access than it is to make paper versions of all the government information available only online and ship them off to schools and public libraries? In the last few years a lot of government documents have become available primarily electronically, supplanting the former paper parade. If the federal government isn't willing to help schools and libraries access these items, which the people have a right to view, then they can create paper copies and send them out. Seems to me that's a lot more expensive. The other thing to keep in mind is that the federal government is not footing the whole cost. They're providing some rebates after the fact. Schools and libraries are still paying for the majority of the bill, and not all of them receive e-Rate funding. Finally, it benefits the country as a whole to have an educated populace as a whole, not just an educated populace in certain areas that can afford it or have broadband access. The areas able to pay for Internet connections on their own are the ones that need them the least--the affluent areas where a larger percentage of the population has a home Internet connection. In some areas, the choice would need to be made between providing a Net connection or providing for garbage pickup, and it isn't fair to deprive people of government information and access because they live in a cash-strapped municipality. While in theory I agree with you, in practice, I think the federal government needs to be involved.

    12. Re:Tit for Tat by sadler121 · · Score: 1

      Is the postal service a legitimate function of the Federal Government?

      Actually, according to the US Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 7

      The Congress shall have Power...To establish Post Offices and post Roads...

      So yes, a post service is a legitimate function of the Government, as listed in the body of the Constitution its self. Our Federal Highway program is also legitimate, as it is also directly listed with in the main body of the Constitution.

    13. Re:Tit for Tat by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 1
      You realize that this is the worst possible justification, don't you?

      Indeed. I should have chosen my words more carefully.

      What I meant to say was that there are some projects which only show benefit (or are clearly more benewfit-effective) when applied to a national population; applying the same program at a statewode-level only may not be cost effective. For these such programs, it makes sense to have Federal involvement.

      One of those "...of the People, by the People, for the People..." things.

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    14. Re:Tit for Tat by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 1
      So yes, a post service is a legitimate function of the Government, as listed in the body of the Constitution itself. Our Federal Highway program is also legitimate, as it is also directly listed with in the main body of the Constitution.

      The Founders understood the benefit to be derived from the free flow of information and commerce. They (apparently) also understood that if the States were allowed to "set the rules" of either communications or traffic, a serious harm would result.

      I think the same reasoning is applicable to the Telephone system as well.

      As for the Internet, we are clearly way off track.

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    15. Re:Tit for Tat by balthan · · Score: 1

      people living in rural communities, where broadband is still non-existant, would be paying thousands each to fund access for their school.

      And why, exactly, do school need to have internet access? Actually, why do they have internet access at all? What part of a K-12 education is helped by the internet? Yes, there can be a lot of good information on the 'net, but there's a lot of half-truths and outright lies as well. Is about the equivalent of using the National Enquirer as a source.

    16. Re:Tit for Tat by Darby · · Score: 1

      Your suggestion would mean that predominantly rural states would have to pay for unprofitable local phone service either by significantly higher USF contributions from its few metropolitan customers or by raising taxes.

      I suppose that you have some reasoning to explain why people who live in the areas of the country that actually can afford to pay for themselves should subsidize the lifestyles of people who due to the Electoral College fiasco have a greater representation?

      If these rural areas want to have even equal representation with the rest of the country, let alone the greater representation they do enjoy, then I think they should at the very least have the integrity to pull their own weight rather than suck off the government tit.

      I mean seriously, I think these states should have their statehood yanked and the people should be stripped of their citizenship. They should become protectorates like Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands.
      These people can not even afford a modern existence without subsidies, so since they can only live through the protection and welfare of the urban areas we should at least have the honesty to call it what it is.

    17. Re:Tit for Tat by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > Another reason for government involvment is when the return is long-term as opposed to short-term

      OK, totally off-topic, but that's an important thing to remember when thinking about war as well. It works both ways, though -- PATRIOT Act was rushed, and see where that got us.

      Sorry, that sentence just 'clicked' something in me.

    18. Re:Tit for Tat by swillden · · Score: 1

      What I meant to say was that there are some projects which only show benefit (or are clearly more benewfit-effective) when applied to a national population; applying the same program at a statewode-level only may not be cost effective. For these such programs, it makes sense to have Federal involvement.

      Yes, that's a much more sensible thing to say.

      I still don't wholly agree with it, though. I certainly agree that there are some programs that benefit from scale, and that may not be cost-effective when instituted piecemeal. I disagree that granting the Federal government sweeping power in exchange for these programs is necessarily a good trade.

      One of those "...of the People, by the People, for the People..." things.

      That doesn't follow. If something is an obvious good for everyone, everyone will adopt it (note that this doesn't hold true for individual people, but we're not talking about individual people, we're talking about states, whose decisions are made in a considered, rational way -- the same way that Federal decisions are made, actually). The fact that the Federal government has to force states to do some things indicates pretty strongly that those things may not be in everyone's best interests.

      This means that the Federal government is riding roughshod over at least some portion of the people/states, which is not an "of the People, by the People, for the People" thing to do.

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    19. Re:Tit for Tat by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 1
      And why, exactly, do school need to have internet access?

      I'm thinking when you say "Internet" you're thinking web pages, email, and things like that. Clearly we have different views of the Internet.

      How about "Internet" as in "keep the parents in touch with the teachers, their children. Let the parents see their kids homework assignments. Let the parents ask the teachers (or other parents) for help if they don't understand how to do it themselves."

      How about "Internet" as in "lifelong distance learning. Let teachers access other teachers and share experiences, project ideas, teaching techniques. Let teachers ask University Professors to answers a question they can't answer themselves. Let the parents acces this learning."

      How about "Internet" as in "sharing a pool of teachers among a set of dispersed classrooms, so that the kid who needs individualized help always gets it.

      The one thing the Internet has always been good at is building communities. Our schools have damned little of that recently.

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    20. Re:Tit for Tat by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      And the effects of war can be very long term indeed.
      Iraq is smack dab in the middle of the fertile crescent, the cradle of world civilization, if my bad memory of world history serves.

      Totally off topic, but bringing in a lot of foreign workers to rebuild Iraq, while the onlookers are out-of-work Iraqis has to about as insulting and dumb as you can get.

    21. Re:Tit for Tat by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 1
      If something is an obvious good for everyone, everyone will adopt it.

      Some things are an "obvious good" (defecit spending) but not for everybody. Others are good for everybody (rainforest preservation) but not obvious.

      There's a delicate balance here. A nationally standard sales tax might be too high for people in one state and too low for people in another; so this kind of an idea would be bad to implement at a federal level. If implemented at the state level, people could choose a sales tax level appropriate for their means and needs. Those who didn't like it (either because it taxes them too much for the benefit they receive, or because it taxes them too little for the benefits they desire) could move. It would then become a federal responsibility to ensure that people who wanted to move between states be guaranteed that right.

      Metcalf's Law tells us that the value of a network you are connected to increases when I also connect. And it doesn't matter if I am connecting from next-door or the middle of Wyoming. Nor does it matter if the network we are connecting to is built with packets, asphalt, or postage stamps.

      That's why ensuring the Internet reaches everyone is a Federal concern, why the network of packets thus constructed should not be owned (controlled) by private interests, and why there is fairness in the distribution of the benefits even if the monies seem to be flowing in only one direction.

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    22. Re:Tit for Tat by wrt2 · · Score: 1

      I haven't made my mind up yet whether your comment is serious. If you're seriously proposing that we strip citizenship from those people living in rural areas and force the rural Western states to secede from the Union, I just have to ask why you think Civil War is cheaper than Universal Service.

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    23. Re:Tit for Tat by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > bringing in a lot of foreign workers to rebuild Iraq

      Yeah, you said it perfectly: that is probably the most insulting (not to mention, irresponsible) thing that they could do. Oh, other than invading in the first place, that wasn't very nice either. :)

    24. Re:Tit for Tat by Trolling4Dollars · · Score: 1
      This means that the Federal government is riding roughshod over at least some portion of the people/states, which is not an "of the People, by the People, for the People" thing to do.

      The current dismal administration aside, I do believe that sometimes you have to drag peoplpe kicking and screaming to progress. If some backwards bible-thumpers from the southern U.S. don't want the theory of evolution taught to their kids in school, then they need to be superceded by the government. It's people like them who keep America from progressing to a state where no religion is recognized (the ideal). It's a lot like when you have a friend or relative who has a drug habit. They may not like it, and their friends will tell tham that you're a bastard for trying to pull them out of their addiction, but it's good for them. That's the whole point. Some things are good for the citizens and need to be enforced. Uncensored internet access for people at public libraries and in schools is good for people. Screw what the religious fools of this nation may think! If they want to live with their myths and superstitions, it's time to roll over them and march forward to progress. After all, it's people with a similar mindset that resulted in 9/11. I equate the kind of American christian who think their way is the only way with the Taliban. I don't have a problem with religion as long as it's kept a personal choice and not inflicted on others. The problem is that many sects and denominations REQUIRE that you inflict your beliefs on others. That's what needs the steam roller. Now.

    25. Re:Tit for Tat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is the postal service a legitimate function of the Federal Government?

      Yes, but only because it's in the constitution. Otherwise, I would say no.

      It was private funds that allowed the internet to grow to what it is today, and it should remain that way. For the government to step and say that it now owns and controls all the wires and everything that makes up the internet would be theft.

      If only the roads we drive on were controlled in the same way... *sigh*

    26. Re:Tit for Tat by swillden · · Score: 1

      Some things are an "obvious good" (defecit spending) but not for everybody.

      Right, so it would be better if there weren't a single entity empowered to put us all in hock.

      Others are good for everybody (rainforest preservation) but not obvious.

      So we should rely on the wiser and smarter Federal brains to recognize such non-obvious things that state and local brains aren't capable of seeing?

      That's why ensuring the Internet reaches everyone is a Federal concern, why the network of packets thus constructed should not be owned (controlled) by private interests, and why there is fairness in the distribution of the benefits even if the monies seem to be flowing in only one direction.

      I actually don't disagree with this, but I think it's important to distinguish between this idea, which is a logical extension of the constitutionally-granted power to "establish Post Offices and post Roads", and a more general theory that anything that is good for enough people, in the opinion of Congress, should be done by the Federal government. This general theory has led to the massive stretching of the Interstate Commerce clause and the misapplication of legitimate Federal powers to influence that which should be purely state issues (e.g. strings attached to Federal highway funding).

      What makes the theory especially pernicious is that there isn't a clear method of distinguishing between what is logically in the Federal domain and what belongs to the states, because it's nearly always possible to argue that X could be done more efficiently if it were centralized. So, logically analyzing the effect of Federalizing each individual program inevitably leads to massive erosion of states' rights.

      Why is that bad? If it really is better for each of those programs to be Federal, why shouldn't all those programs be Federal? Because it represents too much concentration of power, and because it removes the power too far from the individual voter. I, as an individual, can affect (and have affected) state legislation in small ways and can affect (and have affected) county and municipal policy in larger ways. Affecting Federal policy is much, much harder, so much so that individuals feel powerless and therefore lose their sense of civic duty -- they can't really do anything significant about it anyway, right?

      So if centralizing control is generally bad, but it's a logical outcome of program-by-program evaluation, how do you draw the line between what should be centralized and what shouldn't? Obviously, the line is going to be somewhat arbitrary, so my preference is to use the arbitrary line that was drawn by the founders when they wrote the Constitution. Of course, the world has changed, so we have to extrapolate -- but carefully, very carefully. And I think we really need to err on the side of reducing Federal power, and work towards reversing the massive increases triggered by the World Wars and the Cold War (and the War on Drugs, and the War on Terrorism, and whatever War comes along next).

      So, while I'd agree that deploying network infrastructure is in keeping with the spirit of Article I, Section 8, I'd prefer to leave the Federal government out of it until it becomes clear that it's *really* necessary.

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  4. Kicking kickbacks by goneutt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember hearing about how this program was providing funds to school districts that really didn't know what things cost. I think it was the El Paso school district that wound up being sold a few $million worth of Cisco gear that was never installed because it wasn't part of the IS architecture plans, drawn by the same people that sold the gear.

    All in all, this is a program that should have started really big to make initial investments in hardware, but cut back a little to just maintain.

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    1. Re:Kicking kickbacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do schools need Cisco gear? 4Mb DSL and you're done.

    2. Re:Kicking kickbacks by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You have put your finger on it precisely. Schools DON'T know how to spend the money, so they are getting ripped off left and right. Add corruption to the mix, and the biggest shame is that the program wasn't frozen sooner.

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    3. Re:Kicking kickbacks by ortcutt · · Score: 1

      You're missing the point though. The question that was raised by Congress was whether the changes made would prevent cases such as these.

    4. Re:Kicking kickbacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I saw over $200k of "internet grants" get spent on a Data General mini of some sort that probably hadnt run in 20 years when it was bought. The school district didnt even know anyone who could have told them that was a bad purchase.

      I've also seen (different school) a room full of p3-1ghz machines sitting unused while there was a line for the single remaining apple 2gs.

      Money cant solve every problem by itself. No amount of money will make that data general system useful for web surfing; cutting this program back until the money can be spent more effectively is not that bad an idea.

    5. Re:Kicking kickbacks by scott9676 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not just El Paso. In Atlanta they had some school classrooms with enough networking equipment to run a small company, and it was just sitting in closets because nobody had a clue how to install it. I don't think these funds pay for network administrators. And even if they did, how much connectivity does a grade school or middle school need? If they wanted to do it cheaply, they could just set up WIFI stations for every couple of classrooms, and have those wired through the ceiling to a decent switch, uplinked through a filtering router (for spam and inappropriate materials), and connected to a T1 (depending on the size of the school, maybe something a bit more). The problem at this point becomes maintenance. The user base is a combination of kids that don't have a clue, those that do have a clue, and teachers watching them that in a lot of cases don't WANT to have a clue. The teachers are interested in teaching sentence diagramming, not tweaking IP settings.

    6. Re:Kicking kickbacks by ortcutt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Explain to me the reasoning that says, "there's something wrong here, so we should do away with the whole program" because I can't understand it. They should be fixing the problem, not shutting down the program.

    7. Re:Kicking kickbacks by Eraser_ · · Score: 1

      Our school relys heavily on E-Rate funding to keep the data flowing year to year. We have all Cisco gear and a private WAN connecting all of our campuses. Our upstream ISP is a local college consortium who ever so graciously gives us a ReallyGoodDeal on data connections and some rackspace for our upstream router/PIX.

      We of course are blessed with a Sys/Netadmin who built this schools networks/computers from the ground up starting many years ago, and it has now evolved into something wonderful, high speed internet in all the classrooms, provided by "private" bandwidth. Our local phone company provides just that, phone service to our new PBX, and point-to-point connections for our T1's.

      If they actually spent the time tracking this corruption people could be looking at serious fines and possibly federal jail time for fraudulently spending government money. I know the best way to get rid of corrupt cops is to simply chop their funding in half, not do an investigation.

    8. Re:Kicking kickbacks by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      The FCC is *freezing* the program, and not giving out more disbursements until further notice.

      This may or may not be the right thing to do - my opinion is stated above, but it isn't "shutting down the program".

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    9. Re:Kicking kickbacks by AoT · · Score: 1

      Well, my mother teaches computers at a high school and they have Cisco gear for classes. They have a Cisco Academy.

  5. Re:to go with the library books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, those day laborers who work 14 hours a day for 50 bucks are such a bunch of layabouts!

    They should be a hardworker like us and sit in an air conditioned office reading slashdot!

  6. All Together Now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny
    1. Re:All Together Now! by eSavior · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points :( I just about fell out of my chair laughing at that song.

  7. repeat after me... by night_flyer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    schools do not NEED interent connections or computers, with a large % of people coming out of school illiterate, I would think that schools need to concentrate on the basics first!

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    1. Re:repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You honestly don't see the internet as the single most important tool for spreading literacy since the printing press?

      Come on now. I read hundreds of pages of stuff each and every day. Politics, science, law, fiction, history, you name it. Some of it's good, some of it's bad but it's all reading. Quite honestly I find it surprising that we still have libraries. I'm completely baffled by teachers who are still afraid of computers.

      Online courses, online magazines, online books...saying that the internet isn't a valuable tool for schools just seems crazy. If you want to argue that the schools aren't using it effectively, that's a different story.

    2. Re:repeat after me... by jmays · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What about the schools that are doing their jobs? Are you going to deny them technology too?

      Besides, internet connections and computers aren't rewards ... they are aids. And when used in complement with a working 'basics' system they will provide a superior learning environment. I can't believe you got modded insightful for that generalized shit comment.

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    3. Re:repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fine then.

      Schools arnt using it effectively. At all. In fact, there is no reason to wire every single classroom. Access to the internet should be in a lab, with many "parental" eyes keeping a watch on the kids. Responsible and intelligent internet usage should be taught. Plus critical thought. (i mean, dhmo.org still gets adults over the age of 40 )

      Frankly, the internet is little more then a distraction for very young children. There really isnt a reason for an elementary school to have computers in every room.

    4. Re:repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...with a large % of people coming out of school illiterate...

      Thank you for such concrete numbers!

    5. Re:repeat after me... by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      Considering that everyone NEEDS to be able to use a computer in later life, you are going to be holding back the students with less money if you don't teach them to use computers/internet at school.

      And BTW, what percentage of student come out of school illiterate? I don't know anyone at my school who can't read. Well, one who doesn't know what an adjective/verb/noun is, and can't read an analogue clock, but, that's it.

    6. Re:repeat after me... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's an example of conventional wisdom in effect. Say something bad about public schools, call for a "back to the basics" approach to education, and everyone will nod wisely and stroke their chins and say, "Well, of course public education is badly broken ..." blah blah blah. What's pathetically amusing about this is that the vast majority of people who do this are themselves public school graduates; they're effectively calling themselves uneducated morons.

      The fact is that hard-working teachers in this country do their best to educate tens of millions of kids, day in and day out, and by and large they succeed. Is the system perfect? Hell no; it's a long way from perfect, and we should do everything we can to improve it. But I know of no other educational system in history that has -- with a mandate to take every kid, regardless of intelligence or willingness to work -- successfully educated the number of people that the American public school system has.

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    7. Re:repeat after me... by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      Agreed, you can't teach someone who doesn't want to learn but people who do should have access to ALL information.

      Amazingly computer's are cheaper than libraries.

    8. Re:repeat after me... by Ho-Lee-Cow! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's pathetically amusing about this is that the vast majority of people who do this are themselves public school graduates; they're effectively calling themselves uneducated morons.

      What is sad about this comment is that it ignores the fact that the quality of education has fallen off so badly in the US in the last 25 years that we have to now require post-secondary education in order to be assured to get the basic language and math skills needed to do jobs that pay even a living wage. Of course, I'd actually be in agreement with you if the supposed college prep program I was forced into in high school had actually prepared me for college...it didn't and was a waste of two years that I could have spent learning something useful in the real world.

      The fact is that hard-working teachers in this country do their best to educate tens of millions of kids, day in and day out, and by and large they succeed. Is the system perfect? Hell no; it's a long way from perfect, and we should do everything we can to improve it.

      This is simply a strawman. An attack on the failings of the school system is not the same thing as blaming the teachers who are just as much screwed over by it as the kids are. When teachers are free to teach and students are free to learn, we get the best results and bang for the buck. When we have to spend tons of money on unfunded federal mandates and bean counting BS to maintain them--and force qualified and hardworking teachers to go to great expense to become certified in all the subjects they teach--it's easy to see why I think schools should stop taking federal largesse and get back to the business of teaching kids. No Child Left Behind means that all children get left behind--while all those concerned adults can pat themselves on the back because they slapped the fsck out of the 'bad guys'.

      But I know of no other educational system in history that has -- with a mandate to take every kid, regardless of intelligence or willingness to work -- successfully educated the number of people that the American public school system has.

      One of the accomplishments of the Soviets was mostly eradicating illiteracy in less than 30 years. Not that I think that the Soviet system is all that fabulous, but I note that their basic literacy rates were historically higher than ours. Breadth of literacy, though, we always had them hands down.

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    9. Re:repeat after me... by Poleris · · Score: 1

      Many of the students who come out of school illiterate did not care for anything else. How about the students who genuinely try hard, for whom a computer and decent internet connection will make all the difference in the world? Our schools are already leaving gifted students behind. A google cache, if the site is down.

    10. Re:repeat after me... by antiMStroll · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hi Grampa! Still walking uphill to and from school?

    11. Re:repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just an observation:

      Kid's don't like going to school.

      There are alot of reasons. The two most common are probably:

      Boredom.

      Fear.

      Society has changed alot in the last 25 years. As it changed our school systems have not fully adapted. The styles/methods used do not fit the current breed of children.

      Kid's walking through medal detectors, School shootings/beatings/stabbings etc have become common place. I personally would not like to attend the majority of Highschools in america now adays.

      The worst thing that happened when I was in school was the very rare fist fight and the ocasional kid who got a "Swirley"

      This whole heap of problems all stims from one thing: Parents.

      Parents need to do their job and do it right. The majority of early education is suppose to come from the parents. Children learn the fastest in their first few years. Negligent parents = uneducated children.

      One of my largest pet peeves currently is a large chunk of the African American culture. They expect to be treated equally when they have no excuse for not being able to speak with at least semi correct "English" grammar. I have an easier time speaking and understanding english with people from all over the world whom "English" is a second or third language.

      And I blame this completely on the parent's of these children. The CEO of the company I work for is a Black man. Highly educated and well spoken. The above is not a racial comment it indicating a viewpoint collaberated from a large sum of experiance with a group of individuals.

    12. Re:repeat after me... by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

      You can't find someone who doesn't want to learn, you have to create them.

      Amazingly computers are easier to control than what library book a kid reads.

    13. Re:repeat after me... by rpillala · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes you're right it's a lot more efficient for teachers to create instructional materials by hand or on an old school typewriter and not be able to communicate with parents via email. Any teacher can just pick up the telephone here on our desk and talk to parents that way or maybe just go over to kids' houses.

      We don't need photocopiers either.

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    14. Re:repeat after me... by AoT · · Score: 1

      Kids don't like school because they love to learn, and school is not about learning. The key lessons kids are taught in school are:

      1) Punctuality

      2) Rote memorization

      3) Respect for Authority

    15. Re:repeat after me... by winwar · · Score: 1

      "What is sad about this comment is that it ignores the fact that the quality of education has fallen off so badly in the US in the last 25 years..."

      Okay, I see this stated a lot but I never see any EVIDENCE for this. I don't want anecdotes. I want what you might call "facts", generally in the form of studies that have some methodology to come to the conclusion that education is somehow worse today than 25 years ago. I am really curious.

      "...that we have to now require post-secondary education in order to be assured to get the basic language and math skills needed to do jobs that pay even a living wage."

      So this has nothing to do with the fact we have lost lots of factory jobs? Jobs that required nothing more than a HS degree, and not even that? Perhaps the job requirements have increased while education levels have not? I don't know for certain but I think it is a valid argument.

      "Of course, I'd actually be in agreement with you if the supposed college prep program I was forced into in high school had actually prepared me for college..."

      Then it wasn't a college prep program :) I took advanced courses in HS (essentially college prep) and they prepared me for college. Hell, most of them were MORE difficult than college courses.... So, you see, anecdotal information only goes so far...

      "When teachers are free to teach and students are free to learn, we get the best results and bang for the buck. When we have to spend tons of money on unfunded federal mandates and bean counting BS to maintain them--and force qualified and hardworking teachers to go to great expense to become certified in all the subjects they teach..."

      So, you think teachers shouldn't have to know the subjects that they teach? (If so, does Ohio State have an MS for you...) Teachers are a product of the public school system you think sucks. Therefore, using your logic, it is reasonable to evaluate them to see if they can actually teach or even know their subject areas.

      It doesn't cost a lot to become certified but I would agree it is a waste of time (haven't had any teachers tell me education classes were useful-subject matter classes on the other hand...) It is the reason that I won't become a teacher....

      Look, there IS too much overhead. But this is the direct result of the perception that public education has "failed". And an attempt (bad though it may be) to correct its failings...

      "One of the accomplishments of the Soviets was mostly eradicating illiteracy in less than 30 years. Not that I think that the Soviet system is all that fabulous, but I note that their basic literacy rates were historically higher than ours. Breadth of literacy, though, we always had them hands down."

      This statement makes no sense. "Breadth of literacy"-what the hell does that mean? Look, defining literacy rates is rather nebulous. First you have to define a level (generally grade level). Then find a way to measure it. I think literacy is defined as 8th grade education-if this is the case then the US is almost fully literate. But it is also a meaningless number. Like saying SAT scores have increased over X years but neglecting fundamental changes in test scoring and test makeup. And frankly, I would believe exactly 0 numbers coming from the former Soviets...

      Ultimately, if a child fails to become educated, it is not the teacher's fault, it is not governments fault. It is the fault of the parents and to a lesser degree the child. If the educational system has broken down it is because the parents of the students don't care and as a result, the students don't care.

  8. Re:to go with the library books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's true man.

    Ever go to an American library and try to read about the workd? Most of the books are old propoganda crap from the Cold War era. They tell you how the chinese and vietnamese are enslaved by our enemy and that we must help free them from evil. Seriously. It's rather pathetic.

  9. phone companies contribute? by way2trivial · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm sorry, don't they collect every penny of the "Universal connectivity charge" back from their customers (us) thereby making it a backhanded tax?

    So, the FCC has stopped paying out- Yet it's still on my cell bill, where are the funds piling up? the FCC coffers? or the telco?

    fwiw, I have no problem subsidizing a telephone to a city of 200 in W VA that can't run at a profit.

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    1. Re:phone companies contribute? by Dracolytch · · Score: 3, Interesting

      From what I can tell from the articles, your money is going to pay off debt that the FCC has generated because of corrupt business practices.

      Cheers.

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    2. Re:phone companies contribute? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Exactly. I don't mind (indirectly) subsidizing phone service in other areas, or in schools. But I wish phone companies would be forced to advertise the REAL price of the service, not the "price before twenty-three surcharges". If you were running a store, you would be expected to stick to your advertised prices.

      Of course, there is still the problem that we end up paying taxes in too many places. They really ought to consolidate these taxes into one place, probably income tax. Get rid of phone taxes, gas taxes, sales taxes, and just use one tax where it's easy to figure out how much of your salary goes to the government. I'm not against paying the money, but it's deceitful to hide the true cost the way it is now.

    3. Re:phone companies contribute? by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 1

      The reason for the hidden taxes is, of course, to hide the true total. If people had to write a check at the end of the year for their total tax bill, there would be a revolution. The groups who love big government (Republicans and Democrats) designed the current system very wisely from their point of view.

  10. Bad but not so... by mirko · · Score: 3, Interesting

    IIIRC, a few months ago, Microsoft got to pay their fine in computer and software equipment for the above mentioned educational structures, now, if these get their technological fundings cut, then it means that Microsoft might have to pay in cash.

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    1. Re:Bad but not so... by Halo- · · Score: 1

      Not to be a cynic, but part of the reason the E-Rate program was being "restructured" was because there were a lot of kickbacks and incidents of schools/libraries being sold gear they didn't need and couldn't use. I highly doubt MS would just say: "here, have some cash instead". IIRC, one of the original MS settlement proposals was purely for MS software, and the courts rejected that because when you have an illegal monopoly on something, giving away free versions to impressionable schoolkids isn't exactly the way to level the playing field.

  11. Congresss should be slapped with a wet fish. by Asprin · · Score: 0, Troll


    Just like cell phones and calcculators, having the Intarweb in schools is a mistake. How is anyone supposed to learn anything with all those distractions? Don't even bring up the dress code, or rather the lack of one. ;)

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  12. Universal fund fee by Galen+Wolffit · · Score: 1

    I'm taking bets on whether or not the telcos lower their universal fund fee now that they don't have to pay as much to the FCC.... ;-)

  13. uproar? by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So it's okay for the FCC to create a new tax without congressional oversight, but if they ever decide to get rid of that same tax, there's an uproar?

    I actually worked on an E-rate project in a large urban area. Graft and corruption do not begin to describe the money sucking machine that was E-rate. So I speak with some authority on the subject when I say that we are all better off without it.

    1. Re:uproar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      FCC didn't create it. Senator Olympia J. Snowe, who is mentioned in the New York Times article, was among the drafters of the legislation that created the E-Rate program.

    2. Re:uproar? by walt-sjc · · Score: 1

      That's VERY interesting. I did not know that. She's my senator. Sounds like we need to have a little chat.

    3. Re:uproar? by buysse · · Score: 1

      Actually, they didn't get rid of the tax. I'm still paying it on my phone bills. What they decided to do was to keep that money rather than paying it out to the organizations it was intended for. Whether you agree with the USF or not, for the FCC to keep taking in revenue but suspend payments smells more like corruption than the program did before.

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    4. Re:Uproar? by AaronGTurner · · Score: 1
      the government's money stops coming!

      But it is also the people's money

    5. Re:uproar? by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 1

      Nice try, AC. Olympia Snowe helped push the telecommunications act of 1996. E-rate was the unconstitutional tax levied by the FCC as a result of a loophole in the law. In summary, E-rate is not and was never an act of legislation.

    6. Re:Uproar? by mi · · Score: 1
      But it is also the people's money

      An entirely meaningless statement. Yes, all government's money is people's money. So what?

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    7. Re:Uproar? by AaronGTurner · · Score: 1

      Some people seem to forget the link between government spending and the source of the money. If people feel more connected to the money then they may feel more interested in the democratic process and the system by which the money gets spent, which would be a good thing. Too often I hear people saying "The Government should spending money funding X" without making the link between the spending and the revenue collection. Increasing spending and reducing total taxation rarely works long term, but people sometimes seem to want it to!

  14. registration by BinLadenMyHero · · Score: 1, Informative

    Why editors still don't point to BugMeNot, instead of just complaining about the compulsory registration?

    There's even a nice Firefox extension. Last time I checked, it was not on the official extensions page anymore, but you can grab it from the original homepage. It's working here, with the latest (0.10.1) version of Firefox.

    1. Re:registration by mzs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Probably because if they did, and then everyone reading were to login with the bugmenot username and password, then not too many more people would be able to read the article. Don't you think that many news sites that require registration keep track of whether there are say more than a hundred people using the same username at about the same time from different IP addresses no less? More often than not, once someone mentions bugmenot in a slashdot story like you just did, the username stop works very soon afterwards.

    2. Re:registration by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe because the editors want to honour the other sites requirements? Besides, it isnt the editors that write the italic blurb, its the article submitter that does that, editors comments are usually in plain face after the submitters blurb.

      Seriously, Slashdot editors have no place at all of suggesting methods of circumventing other sites login requirements. If they did, how long until NYtimes blocks referers from slashdot? How would slashdot feel if there was a bugmenot type site for slashdot itself? To view the article you need to log in, thats the casual agreement and cost of viewing the article, the same as having a unique ID on this site. Just because its on the Internet does not mean you have a Carte Blanche right to view it on your terms.

    3. Re:registration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please get off your high horse. NYT does not need the information they demand in the "registration", they demand it so that they can resell the information to marketers who then tend to pester the bejezus out of the rest of us.

      Given that anytime I've registered for their site to view an article, I was a 100-year old woman living in Afganastan and making $100K per year, one could argue that more accurate demographics could be gleened from the server logs + IP geomatching....

      There are 250K people here on Slashdot and I'd guess that a majority of us find the registration on new sites to be assinine. Yes, we take pleasure in finding ways around the sites. And NYT knows it - that's why you'll continually find the 'standard' registrations revoked (and we just recreate them or some variant again).

      So they KNOW people don't want to register. But in their arrogance, they say "yeah, well screw you jerk..." and try to ram it down our throats. So sites like bugmenot.com and others pop up to help with the problem.

      If the NYT had any brains at all, they'd say - hey now, here's a site with 250K people who would read our stuff MORE often if we didn't try to force our useless registration crap on them. MAYBE, just MAYBE there might be another 250K out there who feel the same? 0.5M is a lot of readers - would you want to piss off that many? Especially for a newspaper of limited circulation anyway?

      Seems like they're cutting their nose off to spite their face. And ya know what? I'm happy to provide the knife (in the form of bugmenot.com or hacked regs) until they grow a brain and figure it out.

      In essence: If you don't like it - fine. If NYT doesn't like it - FINE. But YOU don't get to choose how I get to view free content on the web - if I don't want to register that's my fucken business - not yours.

      And for the record - you dont' need to hack a /. reg - there's something known as AC...

  15. Taxpayer subsidized Internet is a boondogle by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've read of massive hardware installations and billing done at small schools, all by unscrupulous companies and oblivious administrators, at the public expense. Any time you have this kind of blank check, and any time its 'for the children', you're going to get this kind of graft. The only solution is to stop taxing long distance bills (read your phone bill some time), and make local communities fork over the cash - they will buy what they can afford or what they need, no more, no less. It will spark creative ways of managing networks, combining services with adjacent communities, community involvement, and basically return the $$ spent back to the local vendors (with the exception of the hardware cost). Inject Gubmint monopoly money, and of course the costs will explode - look at the medical industry in the US for an example.

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    1. Re:Taxpayer subsidized Internet is a boondogle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem with the blank cheque approach is that the value of what you get is pretty much defined as what you spent on it. "A ten million dollar computer system" sounds just as impressive whatever it actually is.

      What you need is someone on the receiving end who actually knows what they're paying for and what it's worth, and is able to negotiate with the provider. That way you stand a fighting chance of getting the $10m to be the value, not just the cost.

    2. Re:Taxpayer subsidized Internet is a boondogle by wobblie · · Score: 1, Offtopic
      I remember when you could map a drive from Windows to \\ftp.microsoft.com\data

      You still could if you weren't using Micros~1:

      mount -t lufs none /mnt/micros~1 -o nosuid,fs=ftpfs,host=ftp.microsoft.com,username=an onymous,passwd=loser@ms.com,ftpactive
    3. Re:Taxpayer subsidized Internet is a boondogle by killbill! · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The only solution is to stop taxing long distance bills (read your phone bill some time), and make local communities fork over the cash - they will buy what they can afford or what they need, no more, no less.

      I bet you didn't go to a public inner city school. By going this way, you make sure poor communities keep a substandard education because they won't be able to afford it.

      While it is generally true that federal intervention brings unaccountability and graft, federal funding also reduces funding inequality.
    4. Re:Taxpayer subsidized Internet is a boondogle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Federal funding is not going to help poorly performing inner city schools. They are the way they are not due to lack of funding, but due to lack of interest by staff and parents. Since nobody holds them accountable, things never get better. Give them more money, they'll just find a way to embezzle it into new cars for administrators while the classrooms still have leaky roofs.

  16. Government programs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem with government programs is that they have to be run as a bureaucracy. As long as you can produce a plausible piece of paper, the clerk who processes your application will do so. The chances for fraud are huge. The days of thousand dollar toilet paper dispensers are not past. Look at the mess in Iraq with Haliburton.

    Having said the above, the government needs to spend money to do things that won't get done by private enterprise. It has to control its inevitable losses just the same way a business does. For instance try to imagine a store that has no shoplifting or employee theft. Theft and fraud are a cost of doing business for all organizations.

  17. What does this have to do with Kerry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Senators on both sides are upset with the FCC. The New York Times article makes mention of 3 Republicans and 1 Democrat.

  18. Once Again by ellem · · Score: 1

    The FCC MUST be abolished.

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    1. Re:Once Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they're trying to prevent waste and fraud?

    2. Re:Once Again by evslin · · Score: 1

      Doesn't need to be abolished, just given a massive overhaul.

    3. Re:Once Again by ellem · · Score: 1

      WRONG! It serves no purpose.

      Technology has made it impotent. Everything it does could be handled by the FTC et al.

      The FCC is a useless skin flap

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    4. Re:Once Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for your ill-informed and somewhat sick comments. You are what makes /. what it is...

  19. Slush fund by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now 3.5 billion is a nice slush fund.

    For 3.5 billion you could give 29 million students dialup for a year and they don't have to share.

    Or 1.1 million schools could have a dedicated high speed cable connection with static IPs and no bandwidth cap year round.

    If either of the above was actually done with the money it was well spent. But I don't think it was.

  20. Ummm this is a legitimate executive branch power by ShatteredDream · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The executive agencies have a responsibility to cut off public funds when they have a very good reason to believe they are being subject to fraud, waste and abuse. GSA, the General Services Administration, does this sort of thing all the time when it does internal criminal audits of how Congressionally-allocated funds are being used. One of their jobs is to bust up slush funds and take down those who were using them. Do you honestly think they let someone just spend all of those tax dollars all the way through the investigation?

    The Congress desparately needs to have its spending and law-making powers curtailed by a few good constitutional amendments. The President needs the power of line-item veto, the Congress needs to have every bill address only one subject with all riders to the contrary automatically ruled unenforceable and deficit spending when the Congress has not issued a formal declaration of war should be unconstitutional.

    I applaud the FCC, it's about damn time that an executive agency told Congress to take responsibility for where it spends tax dollars. The Congress spends our money, which it confiscates by threat of prison time, like a bunch of rich old white businessmen at a Vegas strip club. As long as the FCC just keeps the funds tied up, it shouldn't have any legal trouble. Since it is saying that it is merely tying up the funds to prevent them from going to what evidence shows is most likely an illegal use, it doesn't have to ask the Congress for permission. The Constitution doesn't say that the executive agencies have to actually spend money for purposes known to be illegal under federal law....

  21. Silver Lining by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The plus side to this mess is that the FCC is going to so thoroughly piss off Congress that it could mean good things in terms of the Broadcast Flag and the EFF's argument that the FCC is overstepping its Congressionally-granted bounds in that matter. This certainly isn't the first case where Michael Powell found himself at odds with Congress.

  22. Fraud by N8F8 · · Score: 1

    Where was Slashdot when all the fraud was being reported?

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  23. "intarweb" - sheesh by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    I finally had to go look this up, as I've never heard an actual person, no matter how technologically impaired, use this term

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=int arweb

    As I suspected ... another* opportunity to feel all superior over an imaginary person. Good lord ... can't /.ers find any real people to feel superior to?

    * ala Saturday Night Live versions of Bush, etc.

    1. Re:"intarweb" - sheesh by Asprin · · Score: 1


      I use that spelling more in the sense of definitions 2 and 3 -- it's not so much sarcastic as I just think JeffK teh funny (and, you know, people being lemmings and all...)

      For that, I am truly sorry.

      On the other hand, thank you for not pointing out my egregious *unintentional* misspellings of both "congress" and "calculators".

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    2. Re:"intarweb" - sheesh by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      I've never heard anyone use "intarweb" seriously; OTOH, I have heard a supposedly educated and technically knowledgeable person talk about how his telecom company was going to be putting its product on "the uni-net." So it's not entirely a straw man.

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    3. Re:"intarweb" - sheesh by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Nothing personal ;) Just finally had to
      figure out what the deal was.

    4. Re:"intarweb" - sheesh by Asprin · · Score: 1


      Cool. What I don't get is why it was scored an offtopic troll. I'm just agreein' with Cliff Stoll.

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  24. E-Rate is GOOD by Omeganon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When there is proper oversight. For the last 5 years I have been directly involved in wonderful education projects that would not be possible without E-Rate funding. Many, many schools in the state where I live would not even have Internet access were it not for E-Rate funds and most would be stuck at ISDN speeds for hundreds of students per school. I have seen first hand the power of distance learning in cooperation with Universities, use of web resources for students such as Atomic Learning and NetTrekker, online teacher recertification training to be compliant with NCLB, and the ability for districts and states to modernize a significant portion of their daily administrative tasks such as attendance reporting, Free and Reduced Lunch tracking and centralized student information systems by bringing them all online. The savings in administration overhead are significant by themselves. All of this is possible because of E-Rate.

    What people don't seem to realize is that most school districts are poor. They have very restricted budgets with little lee-way. E-Rate allows them to bring modern technology into the hands of students who most likely don't get to utilize it at home and educational resources that they most certainly wouldn't be able to use or even access at home.

    A properly managed E-Rate fund with proper accounting and oversight is essential to the education of our future. The sensationalist examples of waste given in response to this article are exceptions and not the general rule. NASA had the same types of problems years ago. NASA wasn't abolished or suspended. Instead, they were forced to get their act together and perform proper accounting and oversight. That's the right way and what needs to happen here.

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    1. Re:E-Rate is GOOD by truffle · · Score: 1

      Great so once there is a properly managed e-rate program the FCC can start doling out money again.

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    2. Re:E-Rate is GOOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids need books and pens, not bandwidth and computers.

    3. Re:E-Rate is GOOD by Edward+Faulkner · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The idea that most public schools are poor is FUD. They only *seem* poor because so much money is wasted. For example, the NY state school system employs more administrators than teachers.

      There are numerous examples of private schools that spend *FAR LESS* per child than your average failing inner city school, yet they achieve vastly better results, even with children who were referred to them as "problem cases" who couldn't succeed in public school.

      Read the facts in The Underground History of Education, full text online.

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    4. Re:E-Rate is GOOD by sackeri · · Score: 1

      I agree with you on the benefits of having internet access to poorer schools, but that still doesn't justify why the money should be coming from the FCC. Of course they wouldn't have net access without that program, because they structured their budgets knowing that funding was available. If the access is so beneficial, the state can set up its own program to fund it.

  25. Another unbiased /. story! [nt] by Dwonis · · Score: 2, Funny
    ;-)

    Cat got your tongue? (something important seems to be missing from your comment ... like the body or the subject!)

  26. These library books are overdue..... by trud · · Score: 0

    The descriptions and extent of fraud, waste and corruption involved in the implementation of the E-Rate program would fill so many volumes that would take a fair sized library to hold the output.

    Schools spent millions upon millions of dollars on Technology they couldn't use. In many cases they did wholesale annual replacement of perfectly functional equipment.

    This accounting is a long time coming and it will be a long time gone.

  27. Hmm. I might be unpopular on this one. by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Personally, I do not see much reason for the local library to have Internet connectivity for visitors. I always went to the library to get books and media, not sit there and type on some nasty public keyboard.

    While I understand there are some unfortunate souls out there who can not afford a computer and 'net connect, I do not see why I am in charge of providing them both.

    I might be missing something major here; Feel free to jump in and tell me if I did. The way I see it, I'd rather that money be spent on the library's inventory.

    1. Re:Hmm. I might be unpopular on this one. by Winlin · · Score: 1

      Depending on the area you live, there may be quite a few 'unfortunate souls' around. In the small mountain town I am from, the library computers were booked a week in advance. It's a mix of students and adults , making use of the internet in many ways.

      I see the providing of internet access by libraries much as the providing (provision?) of books...as a means of access to information. These days, that information is increasingly online, and I think it's only natural that the libray is where people know they can find it.

      Please pardon any glaring spelling mistakes...it's the fault of lack of caffeine so far this morning.

    2. Re:Hmm. I might be unpopular on this one. by ParVox · · Score: 1

      The purpose of a library is information. Go to your local library and ask for the reference section and you will find librarians there that will help you find information on anything that you care to inquire about.
      Although reading is a wonderful learning method on many levels technology through computers is faster and more efficient. I do tech work at a small town library and full 50% of the adult use of the public computers is for information on jobs.
      Using your reasoning, in the last century you would be saying that people should have to buy their own books and not use the 'nasty' public ones.

    3. Re:Hmm. I might be unpopular on this one. by Migraineman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You went to the library seeking information. That's what a library is all about. It's irrelevant as to how the information is packaged - magazine, newspaper, hardcover book ... that's just the transport mechanism. You went seeking information. Internet access is a logical extension of the library's charter, so it makes a ton of sense. If you don't want to read some grungy old book that's been thumbed through by countless "unfortunate souls," that's your prerogative; you can purchase a shiny new one at a bookstore. Same goes for your internet access.

      All countries run "social programs." Roads are built with tax money or under charter from the gub'ment. Same goes for providing potable water, electricity, sewer ... In order to truely prosper, you (we) need to provide infrastructure to all areas, not just the ones that are economically feasible. And yes, you (we) get to foot the bill.

    4. Re:Hmm. I might be unpopular on this one. by shalla · · Score: 1

      Personally, I do not see much reason for the local library to have Internet connectivity for visitors. I always went to the library to get books and media, not sit there and type on some nasty public keyboard.

      You're missing something major here. ;) This is why my public library needs a public Internet connection:

      Libraries provide information. Sometimes the best way to get that information is via the Internet. It's become especially important since many reference materials have gone to an electronic format and since libraries band together to purchase access. (Hence a CD of information at one location will not suffice.) If your choice is between having access to a bunch of electronic databases (such as magazine indexes and business research guides) or not having them at all, wouldn't you choose to fund them? It's a lot easier than reading through each magazine to find relevant articles...

      Many government materials are available only on the Internet.

      Come tax season, we cannot keep the blankety blank tax forms stocked, and we cannot stock every possible form from every possible state. An Internet connection allows patrons to locate and print out the tax forms they need.

      Businesspeople often travel and need Internet access. Public libraries provide that. Same with anyone traveling. Since I've yet to see Internet cafes floating around in this area, public libraries provide one of the few ways for travelers to contact coworkers or families.

      You also don't seem to realize that many job postings can only be applied for via e-mail or Web sites. Libraries serve as a place for the unemployed to job search. We also get a number of people needing to register for unemployment claims who have been told by the unemployment office specifically to go to their local library and register online.

      Local schools and colleges often give assignments that require Internet use. Public libraries need to have Internet access so that students can do their assigned homework if they don't have a Net connection at home (or don't have necessary software) and can't make it to the school lab during the few hours it's open. (Our local community college computer lab is only open a few hours during the summer. We get a LOT of community college students who need access to the Internet on a weekend or evening because they work.)

      Many people need to learn how to use their e-mail account for work purposes, but no one at work will show them how. Our computer center teaches them e-mail basics. Hard to do with no Internet connection. (We also teach electronic database searches and basic Internet skills.)

      Some software programs only contain Web-based help.

      Our public card catalog is Web-based, so in order for our patrons to search it, we need an Internet connection. It makes no sense for us to duplicate catalog services or code a second in-house interface for public access.

      I live in Pittsburgh. Trying to drive around Pittsburgh is interesting because the many rivers and valeys and abrupt hills make straight roads or grids improbable and expensive. The saying in the Burgh is "Sure, you can see it, but you can't get there from here." This means that printed maps aren't always the best way to get information as they tend to be confusing. Oftentimes driving directions from an online source work much better.

      Also, if patrons need to find a phone number or address in another city or state, they pretty much need an Internet connection anymore. We do not get all the phonebooks we used to because phone companies started charging us $50 per book. We simply can't afford 1) the physical space to host the phone books, and 2) the cost of purchasing new ones every year or every few years even for the major cities in the US.

      In summary, it's cheaper just to pay for the darn Internet connection than to try to provide services without it, and it saves a lot of whining. Spending the money on the Internet connection actually impr

    5. Re:Hmm. I might be unpopular on this one. by The+Angry+Mick · · Score: 2

      Parent is correct. Access to information is the key point here.

      Don't forget that a lot of government agencies, courts, and civic authorities are abandoning hard-copy and moving vast amounts of public information online. Banks, insurance companies, utilities, and cable/dish companies are increasingly expecting their customers to handle all of their business online.

      Without some form of access, you willfully exclude a significant portion of the population from participation in the American ideal; in essence, telling them they don't matter enough to merit your attention or concern.

      I'm so tired of hearing the traditional Republican line of, "Why should I pay taxes for this kind of thing?". Goddammit people, why shouldn't you?. Which would you rather have: a nation of informed citizens, capable of making a positive contribution to society - both physically, and financiall,; or, would you rather have a collection of poorly educated, militantly anti-government, suspicious reactionaries?

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    6. Re:Hmm. I might be unpopular on this one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trying to drive around Pittsburgh is interesting because the many rivers and valeys and abrupt hills make straight roads or grids improbable and expensive. The saying in the Burgh is "Sure, you can see it, but you can't get there from here." This means that printed maps aren't always the best way to get information as they tend to be confusing.

      That's not a property of Pittsburgh, it's a property of American maps. I own a number of street maps of European cities, and some of American cities (but none of Pittsburgh). The only thing that makes the US maps even vaguely usable is the grid system, so you tend to not really need maps at all.

      For an idea of the difference, compare the garbage produced by mapquest to the model of clarity produced by streetmap.co.uk.

    7. Re:Hmm. I might be unpopular on this one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well yes, BUT

      The library is not there to be a free porno store or to be a free public party chat line or any of 1,000 other non-library functions that the internet provides.

      If libraries give access to the internet at all, it should be a limited, INFORMATION only subset of it.

      I see no reason to fund peoples ability to go the library and sit there all evening updating their blogs.

    8. Re:Hmm. I might be unpopular on this one. by AaronGTurner · · Score: 1
      The library is not there to be a free porno store or to be a free public party chat line or any of 1,000 other non-library functions that the internet provides.

      And so you subscribe to an organisation that keeps a list of such sites so that they can be blocked, much like many parents do.

  28. E-Rate by BJZQ8 · · Score: 1

    E-Rate is a scam and a government boondoggle from the collective liberal euphoria of the first Clinton administration. Millions are lost to corruption, and the paperwork is mind-boggling. It is corporate welfare at its worst. It should be instantly destroyed and replaced with a single-form block grant.

  29. Re:Ummm this is a legitimate executive branch powe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the FCC were so principled:

    1) They would appear before congress to defend their actions.

    2) They would appear in *some* open forum to defend their actions.

    3) They would publish a public document to defend their actions.

    But they did not.

    Instead they acted in a manner consistent with Michael Powell's long history as a corporate puppet -- they slipped the knife in under cover of night.

    A vote for Kerry is a vote against Powell.

    Randy

  30. Re:frost piss lol by ratsnapple+tea · · Score: 1

    Way to go with the backwards swastika, dumbass.

  31. Uproar? by mi · · Score: 1
    Of course! All of a sudden, the government's money stops coming! What an outrage!

    I'm deeply hurt now, because my sense of entitlement promised me more, not less.

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  32. Yeah, how dare they... by mwood · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...decide not to spend money until they have it. This *is* government, after all.

    1. Re:Yeah, how dare they... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      ..decide not to spend money until they have it. This *is* government, after all.

      When money is allocated for the less powerful, any excuse is good enough to cut it. (E.g. internet for the poor, the children, the libraries)

      When money is allocated for the more powerful, any excuse is good enough to justify it. (E.g. tax cuts on over $200 000/yr. and on income NOT worked for (capital gains)).

      Oh, have you noticed that the rich-only tax called capital gains is going away and the poor only tax called social security is not even CALLED a tax anymore and is ignored in Republican tax statistics.

  33. Re:Ummm this is a legitimate executive branch powe by Poleris · · Score: 1

    "The President needs the power of line-item veto, the Congress needs to have every bill address only one subject with all riders to the contrary..." We'd never get anything accomplished with this sort of system. We need bills to pass with multiple subjects in order to appease people of different parties. Compromise makes the political world go 'round: you approve this, I'll approve that.

  34. Another Way That Bush Screws American Children by ortcutt · · Score: 3, Insightful
    So, there's no reason to believe that these changes will prevent fraud in the program, but it is certain that these changes will prevent schools from getting money for legitimate and vitally necessary uses. Then, they make the change and fail to tell anybody about it, including umm, Congress. Yeah, remember them ... in that big building on that hill. Yep. This has all of the hallmarks of the present administration.

    Doesn't fix the problem. Check.

    Arrogant and secretive. Check.

    Hurts American children. Check.

    1. Re:Another Way That Bush Screws American Children by hot+soldering+iron · · Score: 1

      Who the FUCK Moderated this GOD DAMNED TROLL Insightful!! Moderate him -20 off-topic!

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  35. I guess the FCC finally found out by museumpeace · · Score: 1

    that the kids and librarian's weren't using the internet access exclusively for browsing http://www.georgebush.com/

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  36. Looking out for who? by xombo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What ever happened to the FCC and government in general looking out for us?
    FCC Chairman Michael Powell has said on several occasions that he doesn't know what the public wants and votes however his lobbyists want. The same thing happened with de-regulation (which allows bigger media monopolies than we have today).
    The FCC is archaic and corrupt and something needs to be done.

  37. It's Bush ... again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The Bush administration consistantly acts without regard to the Justice Department or Congress. It is supposed to administer laws, not write its own. He's managing to even piss off his OWN party. Jerry Falwell on the news the other day was talking about how "the neo-conservatives have taken over the White House and are 'nation building' in Iraq" contrary to his campaign pledge and the desires of Falwell's wing of the Republican Party.

    1. Re:It's Bush ... again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting. Not good news for Dubya if true.

      Wait a minute... if they aren't pandering to Falwell, who the hell are they pandering to?!?

  38. good by dh003i · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    anytime anyone cuts back the public funding gravy train, it's a good thing. What makes Congressmen so high and mighty? The fact that a few people -- who's ability to choose what they really want has been eroded by Democrats and Republicans restricting political entry and monopolizing the market -- voted for them? So what. 9 people can get together and "vote" to murder the 10th person. Big deal. That hardly makes said act legal, just, and moral.

  39. Problem Beyond Funding by Qboid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a former Director of Technology for a school district in Missouri, I had to deal very closely with the e-rate system. In concept, e-rate/universal service fund was supposed to level the playing field for poor districts whose tax base could not support the kind of technology enhancements that would allow students in those districts to compete with those in districts with a higher tax base that could afford the services if they wanted it.
    The problem as I see it is the Administrators don't know when they are being taken for a ride by the "consulting companies" that they bring in to do the work. I was one of the few administrators who was a technology professional to begin with. Most districts I had contact with just add the technology planning and administration to the duties of a Math, Science, or Business teacher. They don't traditionally have the information technology background to form a plan of attack for the district to follow, and instead just let the "consultants" tell them what to do. That gives the consultants the needed loophole to overcharge and under-deliver.

    1. Re:Problem Beyond Funding by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      The problem as I see it is the Administrators don't know when they are being taken for a ride by the "consulting companies" that they bring in to do the work.

      Bingo.
      While the school probably requires something better than home or hacker-grade equipment, they certainly do not need nor should they pay the exhorbitant premium required for five nines reliability. There is a conflict of interest in the consulting company, as the margins are better and bigger on the high ticket items. "And of course you want the best for the children."
      If you figure in things like snow days, that's what? About one nine?

  40. Yay by the0ther · · Score: 1

    Good riddance to bad rubbish. Corrupt Corrupt Corrupt Corrupt

  41. It's the fault of Big Business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    You libertarian twits and Republican dweebs never miss a chance to bash government whenever a corruption scandal makes its way into to the news, do you? If you weren't so blinded by your idiot ideologies, you'd see the cause of the corruption didn't stem from lack of oversight from the government, but from the non-profit Universal Service Administrative Company which adminsters the program for the FCC. And guess who makes up the Universal Service Administrative Company? Why it's the telecommunications companies, that's who. They're the ones that has allowed the financial abuse to go unchecked. In other words, it's corporation who failed to police themselves, and it's corporations that ripped off the taxpayers. So it isn't governmental corruption that's present here, it's the business-as-usual corruption of corporations.

    1. Re:It's the fault of Big Business by Tyndmyr · · Score: 1
      Us libertarians are most certainly not claiming that the reason this program is bad is the "lack of oversight". But, since you claim its all the private sectors fault...why should the government be blamed, after all? They merely threw massive amounts of cash at them. Should we expect them to ensure the money is used responsibly too?

      Now, for the libertarian point of view. Screw the government managing our tax money, and certainly dont let the government distribute it to corporations. The more hands the money goes through, the more of it dissapears. Now, you might have an arguement that this was rather sudden...I doubt many libertarians demand that 95% of the government dissapear in a month...but, it should be phased out, and oversight in the meantime to minimize the graft is quite reasonable.

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  42. Re:Ummm this is a legitimate executive branch powe by antiMStroll · · Score: 1
    "The executive agencies have a responsibility to cut off public funds when they have a very good reason to believe they are being subject to fraud, waste and abuse."

    Executive agencies have a responsibility to ensure tax monies are spent in a responsible manner, not arbitrarily cut off needed funds when they fail in their duties. Michael Powell's FCC real successes are in being whores to corporate interests, this is just another example of their religious mantra "let the free market decide". The FCC, where nepotism and corrupt values meet.

  43. closure by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    No, this is all because Al Gore invented the Internet. Bush needs to destroy it before he is fired, to be "fair and balanced".

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  44. Denying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Are you going to deny them technology too?"

    I didn't realize that schools are denied technology.

    Or did you mean that schools have to pay for their own pr0n connection to the internet?

    I'm with the other guy; I'd rather see the money spent on more books, teachers and classrooms.

  45. And in Related News by AmericanInKiev · · Score: 2, Funny

    New York, NY
    The Grand Musicians Union (GMU) which represents live performers has sued 14,000 recording industry executives for "copying" their intellectual property and thereby undermining their right to work.

    "These microphone devices are simple theft of our labor, and by suing the recording industry, we aim to put the world on notice that borrowed copies of the sounds we make will not be tolerated" Said GMU president George Brush.

    "Microphones" he went on, "Are intended to reproduce copyrighted material, and are therefore misunllegal, along with kites, under the Digital Mullenelum Copyright Act."

    The Recording Industry could not be reached for comment, but a recording on their answering machine in what appeared to be the voice of Ronald Reagan seems to be saying.

    "We will develop this technology, and then we will share this technology with the Soviets"

    AP

  46. Re:registration, Richard speaks aright by museumpeace · · Score: 1

    We verge off topic here, but since the issue is on our minds...As communication and information technologies evolve, a neverending crop of new avenues of abuse are offered. If your ethic is "If I can steal that which only costs me exposure of an email identity then steal it I will", you are either judging that anonymity is an adequate cloak and excuse for petty larceny and are no different from the looters in a riot or you are judging that privacy policies have no meaning and all who merely wish to know who is taking their wares harbor nasty plans for that information. You may have no idea what it costs to field reporters, pay writers and host websites carrying the stories but you can't possibly imagine the publishers are getting rich when market and technological developments have forced them to give you the content and make what they can by convincing the advertizers that you did read it. These publishers have not started out by assuming all internet use is a [sometimes not so] genteel form of thievery but are, bit by bit, driven to lock up more content as they run out of readership evidence for their sponsors.
    I would be able to post far fewer stories to /. and generally, all of us would be the poorer for it if we had to get publishers permission to quote entire features to which we had personal registered access were those publishers to begin locking the content with real password protection instead of some of the various "open sesame" URL args many now accept.
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  47. Inner city schools issue is not money.. by Shivetya · · Score: 1

    The inner city schools are not substandard because of LACK OF MONEY. Most of these schools receive higher dollar amounts per students than surrounding schools and still do poorly.

    Why? Simple. Bureaucratic abuse. The inner city schools are run by politics and croynism. Atlanta city schools are a perfect example. They have long been a place for corrupt mayors and city officials to put family members into jobs they had no business having. Just like they abuse the airport here.

    How are they able to get away with this? Simple, no accountability. As soon as you raise the issue they scream racism and proceed to belittle anyone bringing along facts.

    E-Rate was highly abused in Georgia by companies connected to the same politicians who filled the administrative sections.

    Crime pays if your in the Government. Students are secondary to city schools, hell they may even be lower than 2nd.

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  48. This is in the Fed's Jurisdiction by llywrch · · Score: 1

    It falls under "interstate commerce". (US Constitution: Article I, sec. 8)

    For example, I am currently writing this post in one state, which will appear on a server in another state, & in response to a post written in a third state, & this post will be read be people in other states or outside the U.S.

    To make all of this possible, it has to be carried over fiber or copper cables that are maintained as the result of people making money -- which is clearly the meaning of the word ``commerce".

    The fact that the Feds are enabling schools & libraries on a local level connect to the Internet is no more germane than the fact most purchases take place on a local level: they are still effected by Federal regulations in some manner.

    And although the Feds have extended this subsidy, it does not pre-empt state or local jurisdictions from providing their own subsidies or regulations.

    Geoff

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  49. It's hard work creating a stupid cheap workforce by leftie · · Score: 1

    It's hard work promising all those education budgets, then refusing to spend the money once it's allocated to the programs.

  50. Re:Ummm this is a legitimate executive branch powe by platos_beard · · Score: 1

    I think Michael Powell is sometimes judged unfairly (yes, even on here /.)

    What I recall hearing Powell say on NPR was that it didn't make sense to him to treat cable channels 99 and 101 differently just because one is a retransmission of OTA programming, but that's the way the law is written and his job is to enforce the law. I think he'd say about the media consolidation issues for which he's taken so much heat, and possibly this and other issues -- it's not his or the FCC's fault if the law is bad, and they are obligated to enforce it.

    That said, he seems to have been born with a faulty political gene -- everything he does looks arbitrary and the powers that be never seem to have been consulted or even informed.

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  51. Paving the way for eventual censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Free internet access available in our public schools and libraries strengthens the association in the publics' mind between first ammendment rights and internet publication and access rights.

    The problem is that alternative news sources don't respect the "talking points" and propaganda that are so essential to the so-called "war on terror". How can the owners of our socitety herd us in the direction they believe we need to go when there is a grass-roots movement on the internet to poke holes in the false rationals we're being given?

    For this reason I believe the near future we will see efforts to make it more difficult to access or publish alternative news on the internet, especially if Bush is re-elected.

    Just take a look at what the mainstream news media didn't bother to tell you last year: http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2004/i ndex.html.

    Alternative news sources on the internet were all over these stories. For example take a look at what Michael Ruppert (editor of an internet news site) had to say on the subject of Project Censored's #1 censored story of 2004: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/PDF/Commonwealth. pdf

    Its the most imporant 50 pages you will read all year, but the mainstream news media has ignored it.

  52. Okay, everyone on three... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    One! ...
    Two! ...
    Three!

    FUCK THE FCC!!!

    I mean, seriously, have they done *anything* that this community, and society as a whole (if they were properly informed) like in the last two years?

    Maybe Congress will reform them next after they get done shaking up the intelligence community...

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  53. This section needs to be renamed to by Run4yourlives · · Score: 1

    US politics, or maybe just USA Stuff, since that's the only thing that we've seen from it so far.

    Oh yeah, and the fact that politics is somehow synonimous with the US flag.

    1. Re:This section needs to be renamed to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look, SlashDot is an American site. Anyone can read it, anyone can post, articles may be local or world wide. But by default, it is an American site with a majority of American readers. PARDON THEM for posting stories that are important to them and their readers.

  54. Re:Motive by PMuse · · Score: 1

    Well, I suppose it is "flamebait" after a fashion. But only in the sense of wanting to point out that FCC may have had the right idea here.

    Obviously 2-7 are purely speculative and 8-9 are silly. What we should ask is why the original submitter didn't write, "FCC finally cracks down on E-Rate abuses despite foot-dragging by Congress."

    Instead, the submitter took the approach that FCC was the bad guy in this with lines like "no advance notice" and "ostensible cause". Is such an angle justified? Or is this FCC action just good governing?

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  55. I don't see that by Trepidity · · Score: 1

    If we didn't do it on the federal level, doing it on a city-by-city level is not the only other alternative: states could do it.

  56. poor inner-city schools are often well-funded by Trepidity · · Score: 1

    Washington, D.C. spends a huge amount of money per student (among the largest in the nation), and their schools still suck. Throwing money at the problem doesn't fix it.

  57. what's the internet access for? by Trepidity · · Score: 1

    My high school had internet access, and guess what? We never used it. Just about everything you're supposed to learn in high school can easily be done with books and offline computers.

    Giving kids who can't afford home internet access a way to access it is fine, but I'd do it through public libraries. It's not necessary at school.

  58. Actually by AoT · · Score: 1

    Amendment XVI

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

    1. Re:Actually by caseydk · · Score: 1

      I work for the first 3.5 months of each year essentially without pay due to withholdings...

      Now the fun thing to point out is that the payment of such taxes MUST be voluntary otherwise Amendment XIII applies.

      And if it's voluntary...

    2. Re:Actually by AoT · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately thats faulty logic. You may end up losing an amount of money equivilent to whatyou would have made in the first 3.5 onths of the year, but you are paid for that time.

      I've seen a lot of anti-income tax arguements, but few of them actually hold up to scrutiny. Not that I think th income tax is a good thing per say, but it is in fact legal.

    3. Re:Actually by balthan · · Score: 1

      Now the fun thing to point out is that the payment of such taxes MUST be voluntary otherwise Amendment XIII applies.

      But since 16 comes after 13, it doesn't matter. Newer supercedes older.

    4. Re:Actually by Quikah · · Score: 1

      You are perfectly free stop working at anytime. Thus this is not even slightly comparable to slavery.

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    5. Re:Actually by bretharder · · Score: 1

      Right...

  59. An educated electorate by greg_barton · · Score: 1

    Apparently an educated electorate is too dangerous for the FCC and their conservative backers.

  60. I know you have a brain... by WebCowboy · · Score: 1

    ...try to use it once in awhile.

    Bush may be an intellectual lightweight as far as US presidents go, but Bush can't be blamed for everything wrong with anything to do with the USA.

    The whole point of the article is that an unelected regulatory body mande an unaccountable, arbitrary descision regarding a major budgetary issue (how to spend billions of dollars). The FCC overstepped its bounds considerably and is under BI-PARTISAN scrutiny. The program in question was spearheaded by Republicans and supported by both parties. The program was well underway before GW Bush was even President. As far as not being informed...do you expect congress and the President to be psychic? If they aren't informed about a programme that THEY approved, provided funds for and assumed was in operation was being suspended until it started receiving complaints from recipients what are they supposed to do?

    Last I checked, the S in USA did not stand for "Soviet", so I highly doubt Bush personally or the White House oversaw the execution of this programme as if the country was run like a centrally planned authoritarian state. It is not the role of the President to guide the execution of every damn project the govenrmnet embarks upon--he makes the decisions and those below must run with them.

    I don't hold Bush, congress, etc at fault for this...that falls squarely on the shoulders of a bumbling, unaccountable FCC. What I DO shame congress and the President for is inaction--ignoring the need for fundamental reforms and letting the telecoms industry fester in the status quo. I can only hpoe the FCC will be swiftly taken to task once and for all. However, this isn't a partisan issue--the Clinton administration was equally inept in this matter. There is little incentive for change, however, because of the large number of government representatives that are in the pockets of the original monopolies. And, given a tight election is looming, nothing is going to get done fast.

    1. Re:I know you have a brain... by ortcutt · · Score: 1

      The Executive branch reports to one man, the President. If Bush doesn't want to take responsibility for the Executive branch, then he's free to go back to Crawford.

    2. Re:I know you have a brain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      however this unaccountable , arbitrary decision making body is led by someone the president put in place. Micheal Powell (Colin Powell's son... coincindence??) is the chief honcho at the FCC. El Presidente Bush placed him in power. This CAN be blamed on the president. While he didn't directly oversee this program, he did place the head of the hierarchy of people that do oversee it in his position. The FCC under Powell has made some of the most hostile to free speach decisions in it's existance under Powell (indirectly I would argue, under Bush).

  61. Iraq by greg_barton · · Score: 1

    Why do we give a shit about a measly $2.5 billion when we're throwing $120 billion ($200 billion projected) down the bottomless pit of Iraq?

  62. thank god we've got the fcc looking out for us... by flyingsquid · · Score: 1
    ...cutting off millions of children from internet access is the best way to prevent them from downloading pictures of Janet Jackson's breast. Now at last our most precious resources, our children, are safe. Stupid, but safe.

    Bush may be an intellectual lightweight as far as US presidents go, but Bush can't be blamed for everything wrong with anything to do with the USA.

    Yes, but as a rabid, enraged liberal, it's my duty to at least try to blame him. As for intellectual lightweight, the guy's a freakin' neutrino- virtually massless.

  63. Doh! Dubya's Business As Usual ... by quarkscat · · Score: 1

    Just like the largely under-funded Bush mandate
    of "No Child Left Behind". So why is this any
    surprise? Funds earmarked for reconstruction
    in Afghanistan by an act of Congress was diverted
    to the runup to the war in Iraq. Funds earmarked
    for reconstruction in Iraq has been largely (96%)
    unspent there (to be diverted to, where?).

    King George II and his regent (puppetmaster)
    Cheney has been running the USA like Imperial
    Rome. The shroud of secrecy (even from the
    GOP-controlled Congress) over their edicts by
    fiat (Executive Order) spells the death of
    democracy in the USA. What's really missing
    (historically) is a "Brutus" and a ticked-off
    "Senate" to finish Caesar off. Especially so
    if Dubya steals another national election.

  64. no it does not fall under interstate commerce by isotope23 · · Score: 1
    Here are some quotes from Thomas Jefferson regardin the constitution : "The Constitution on which our Union rests, shall be administered by me [as President] according to the safe and honest meaning contemplated by the plain understanding of the people of the United States at the time of its adoption--a meaning to be found in the explanations of those who advocated, not those who opposed it, and who opposed it merely lest the construction should be applied which they denounced as possible." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to Address, 1801. ME 10:248

    As you can see from the next quote, unless an item is enumerated in the constitution Jefferson felt there was no right for the federal government to spend money on it :

    "I suppose an amendment to the Constitution, by consent of the States, necessary [for certain objects of public improvement], because the objects now recommended are not among those enumerated in the Constitution, and to which it permits the public moneys to be applied." --Thomas Jefferson: 6th Annual Message, 1806. ME 3:424

    Thus, federal funding of E-Rate and many other items would be according to Jefferson unconstitutional...

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    1. Re:no it does not fall under interstate commerce by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      Of course, Jefferson had no hand in writing the constitution (he was not part of the Constitutional convention, although he did help write the constitution fo the state of Virginia). And even George Washington, who did write it and was in fact president of the constitutional convention was not a strict constructionists and believed in using the elastic clause fo the contitution to increase federal powers.

      Face it- state rights vs federal power was fought out in 1860. For good or ill (and I can see a lot of ways increased federal powers over the constitution is a good thing) state rights lost. Stop trying to fight yesterday's battles, you aren't going to make any progress.

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  65. Re:Ummm this is a legitimate executive branch powe by jafac · · Score: 1

    The executive agencies have a responsibility to cut off public funds when they have a very good reason to believe they are being subject to fraud, waste and abuse.

    . . . too bad the same standards aren't being applied to contractors in Iraq, for instance. . .

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  66. Re:It's hard work creating a stupid cheap workforc by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    If they get Internet access, it'll just detract from all the fine work we're doing with FOX NEWS!

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  67. MORE OF THE SAME by blair1q · · Score: 1

    The right wing has been cutting school funding for decades, and this is just another cut.

    Their goal is an electorate that has no skills in logic, no ability to tell fallacy from truth, and no practice in learning any.

    And it seems to be working to the point that now blatant lies by right-wing politicians are accepted as true simply because they come through the television, and Hitlerite chief executives can not only be elected (albeit by SCOTUS fiat) but re-elected.

    It may be time for a Revolution.

  68. Deference to phone companies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FCC deference to phone companies? How is it 'deference' to alleviate the burden of what amounts to a giant tax on the low and middle class American consumer? The whole program was a boondoggle from Day 1 and we should acknowledge it as such and pray that each day brings us one step closer to the program's demise.

  69. Re:Stop the reg required links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please... use google news and find reg free sites instead.

    I agree 110%. If people don't stop with the registration BS, soon you won't be able to click on anything without having to fill out a form with 20 elements, then sit by the email client until your password arrives.

    When I saw that Technology Review requires reg. I instantly opened /etc/hosts and added the following entry:

    0.0.0.1 www.technologyreview.com

    In firefox on linux, it won't open the link and there won't be any error. You stay on the same page you were on.

    As far as I'm concerned www.nytimes.com is pulling a microsoft, they're only doing this because they can. If they were a smaller site trying to this, they would probably be out of business.

    And to you apologists likely to respond: yeah, yeah, blah, blah, your likely the same person in the convenience store buying two lotto tickets and pack of cigs with a debit/credit card.

  70. states rights.. by isotope23 · · Score: 1

    So by your thinking, it is pointless to struggle against the growing power of the federal government even when it exceeds its constitutional authority? I'm sure that will be a comfort when the bill of rights goes away. Face it - the struggle between the governed and the governing is NEVER over. Government grows in power as long as the people let it. The same argument was made that the subjects of England had given over not only their rights, but the rights of their descendants in perpetuity to the king. With your line of reasoning we'd still be a British colony.

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  71. KIDS ARE IDIOTS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares, kids need to learn what a BOOK is someday. Kids not have grown up with the internet may mean less children interested in a computer field in the future... What does that mean? JOB SECURITY YOU SHMUCKS. Let it be, polotics mean nothing and so does voting. It's all called 'propaganda' to dumb it down for the people not knowing what a BOOK is, let alone a dictionary, it's bullshit...

  72. Re:Actually, It's A Plot by Cycloid+Torus · · Score: 0
    O. oh..hps, I ghot rhated hash frhamebait, mhusht ghet mhy tonghue ouht of mhy chheeck...

    Bhad tonghue..

    Shorrie...

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  73. Interstate commerce by llywrch · · Score: 1

    You quoted Jefferson to say "The Constitution on which our Union rests, shall be administered by me [as President] according to the safe and honest meaning contemplated by the plain understanding of the people of the United States at the time of its adoption"

    However, Jefferson also warned about the chilling effect of the "dead hand of the past" upon the implimentation of the Constitution by future generations. And he was also not the only one: James Madison kept the minutes of the Constitutional Convention out of print for a many years with the express intent of permitting this document to be understood free of that same dead hand.

    And frankly, the interstate commerce clause has a lot of case law defining its use & reinforcing its relevance both here & elsewhere. This is no theoretical point: you are matching 2 quotations from speeches Jefferson delivered (which only express his opinion, & perhaps not accurately on the topic of "interstate commerce") against thousands of pages of binding legal judgement delivered by hundreds of other people. If you don't like that fact, then agitate for an amendment to the US Constitution.

    Geoff

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