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I Love Bees Coming to an End
With the gold status of Halo 2, the ILoveBees performance will soon come to an end. Wired has an article discussing the meme in depth, and going into details about what exactly it is. If you haven't had a chance to experience the phenomenon yet, the article does a good job of laying it out. (Though the performance finale doesn't come until Halo 2's launch day.)
Huckabee's that is!
It's just a marketing campain... whats the big deal?
damn...and all this time i thought the bees were REALLY taking over...i guess another four more years of Bush is all we have to look forward to:(
~slashdot are my only freinds ):
So far I didn't have a chance to experience this great advertisement and now I hear it's going away. Life sucks.
How the fuck is that a troll?
Seriously, the site makes no sense. It's a bunch of pointless jibberish with a bunch of things like a table full of lines that say shit like
"AXON AXON AXON AXON AXON" an some stupid MP3 clips from things that make no sense. Rather than be a stupid fucking prick and labeling the post "troll", why don't you get off your pussy fucking ass and EXPLAIN WHAT THE FUCK IS THE BIG DEAL.
looking foward to welcoming our honey loving Queen bee overlord and becoing part of the hive...
__________ Leave me alone I'm compiling a RPG II program on my S/36...Thanks to metamucil I'm a Regular Meta Moderator
Dude, I hate to tell you this - but 'meme' doesn't mean what you think it means.
People just like to say "meme" I think. Sounds deep.
The word 'meme' comes from some outdated bogus theory that the same ideas that drive genetic traits also drive ideas. While people would agree that there is superficial similarities, the ideas of memetics have largely been discredited for decades... only to have the word 'meme' resurrected by a bunch of "postmodern" pretentious weenies that seem to think that the word meme is hip.
I will wait for Dennis Ritchie to develop I love Cees
Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
What truth?
There is no dupe
Looks like I'm the only BeeKeeper to reply so far.
I just have to say that here's been no better thing with which to waste my time at work... sure its a marketing ploy i guess... but big deal. this ARG actually had characters that we cared about, and a very engaging branching/overlapping storyline, the threads of which are just coming together this week. It's also brought alot of people together as friends who probably never would interact in real life. Now if you'll excuse me... I have a payphone to answer.......
May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage. RAmen.
Oddly enough the wired article explained everything, so while the site may be confusing, the FA is not so, RTFA.
Disclaimer: I know this is slashdot and Ring TFA is against the rules.
Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
Its a marketing campaign that has something to do with halo2 and az state. It was designed by aliens to create discussion and generate hype in your conversation that would not normally include bees and halo2. Not that it worked...Oh shit.
How much time did you just spend reloading /. until a new story came up, reading the story and then responding to it?
Rubik's Cubes are in aisle seven, right between Barbie's Dream House and the new Apple Power-Etch-A-Sketch.
It's a troll when you bitch about something before you RTFA!!! If you still don't get it after that, you're just stupid.
Now i know the ignorance level is at an all time high here at slashdot these days, but every single comment i just read full of it.
"i went to that dumb website when it started, and its dumb. Its still dumb now. This advertisement is Dumb. Sorry i missed out on all the DUMB"
While yes, it does amount to marketing, its way more than an advertisement. The sheer level of involvement in the people who produce an alternate reality game is enough to peak your interest. Try going to http://www.argn.com or http://www.unfiction.com and learning about what I Love Bees actually is and then bewilder us with your obsessive commentary.
Bullshit. The Wired article didn't explain a fucking thing. It said "this is an alternative reality game from Microsoft to promote Halo. It's a radio drama that is revealed in bits through calls to random payphones".
Like that means dick.
It still doesn't explain how you listen to it. How you find the phones. How you evne figure out what the fuck is going on with the site so you can participate (though by the looks of this gay ass thing, I hope nobody is dumb enough to want to give a fuck and waste their time with it). The Wired article is completely fucking empty.
I don't see why everyone is so up-in-arms about this thing. It was an alternative-reality advertising campaign for Halo 2. If you didn't get anything out of it, it probably wasn't for you. If you're a rampant conspiracy theorist like me, then you probably found it interesting. If you got into the story, answered some payphones, etc, then it was definitely meant for you.
;)
If you followed it every instant of every day, forfeiting sleep, food, and work time for the purpose of tracking it, then it probably means you need to get a significant other.
...did anybody ever find out who DID kill Raymond Chan?
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
It would appear, to my much surprise, that none of you have read the wired article. Basically I Love Bee is a game. But a game played out in real life. They provide clues, and you run around working the clues out for more clues. This happens in the real world, using phones and websites. This game was used by Bungie to promote their own game, which happens on your XBOX. Very simple concept, terribly obscured.
Anyway these links provide more information, and a community you play the game.
http://bees.netninja.com/
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/
They probably aren't ready for a slashdoting.
So is this implementation just totally cribbed off William Gibson's _Pattern Recognition_ or not? Except for the cool part and the sappy emotional part, and it's just a sellout ad campaign from the very beginning and...
wait a minute. HUBERTUS BIGEND == BUNGIE BUSTED RH
Yes. This makes sense now; it is clear that Microsoft is going to move their new geek-influence against RedHat.
It may be advertising but its using a creative medium...the internet and pay phones, whose GPS coords are provided. At a first glance tho, the www.ilovebees.com is a little archaic, couldn't find any GPS coords or anything, didn't really try tho.
Its very hard to make the connection between www.ilovebees.com and Halo 2 at first glance, and I never heard about it until this article. But of course then I saw the word "grenade" on the webpage...I mean c'mon whats more Halo than random grenades.
One thing tho is that I can't really see this being an effective advertising method...basically because your average joe will only labor through this webpage and decipher the secrets if they already are into Halo 2, so its more like they just wanted to provide some fun entertainment and background to the story.
Is that I Love Bees site supposed to be some cool trendy cult thing?
Cause it just looks like all the other shitty websites I spend about 30 seconds at before saying WTF is this bullshit and leaving...
I finally understand why so many people have been visiting my friend's website from ilovebees related sites. (It's a website about locations of payphones).
We were scratching our heads on this one.
Objects in the blog are closer then they ap
Um, where in this article did it explain what is going on? Sure everyone knows it's a marketing tool. What's the story line so far? Sure I've seen the site, I don't have the time to play, doesn't anyone have a synopsis? Go ahead and give spoilers, it's almost over anyway.
I'm not the one investing a significant portion of my precious life into AN ADVERTISEMENT and saying "oh, but the characters in the advertisement seem so real!".
This is like getting involved in the old Maxwell House serial commercials where that couple met and fell in lover over coffee over a number of years of commercials - and actually being attatched to them and shit. It's sad and pathetic and I'm really afraid of what is going to happen with MTV and other groups get ahold of this idea. We're going to have twelve year olds spending all of their school time day dreaming and playing on their cell phones, texting each other to try and figure out some Pepsi and Snickers candy bar alternative reality game.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_2 [click here]
The "Haunted Apiary" ARG
The website ilovebees.com (http://www.ilovebees.com) is currently being used as a publicity site for Halo 2, with the site being pointed to by adverts for the game during movie trailers. Ostensibly a site about bees, the server appears to have been taken over by some mysterious force, which is "counting down to something".
The frontpage has a counter counting down to July 27 (when it says "network throttling will erode"), August 10 (when "this medium will metastasize"), and August 24 (at 8:06 am, when it will be "wide awake and physical") - many think something big will happen related to Halo 2 on these dates. Other messages relating to the Halo story are hidden throughout the site. Now that the countdown has ended, a new era in the ILB saga has begun and November 9th is gonna be big.
This style of publicity is similar to that which surrounded the movie A.I. which featured a grand Alternate Reality Game. The Halo ARG has been dubbed The Haunted Apiary.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_2 [click here]
If I REALLY loved bees my fire pokers, whips, collars, scourges, iron maidens, and regular maidens would all get soooo lonely.
oh well, time to get out the asbestos rubbers and rub my love juice all over those hives.....when bees come to an end, aswell.
Annoying lil' buggers.
and love the bee.
And on another note... Why have there been so many posts about Halo? Red and Blue, bees, Halo 2... there are other things happening like all those dead mobsters they found burried in cement. Half-Life 2 is gold! What's going to happen to Virgin Galactic with this Rebel Billionaire crap on TV?! etc. etc.
Down with Halo and its slashdot conquering scheme!
Did you ever consider that might be the point? Being clever enough to figure out what the heck is going on?
Not being a Halo player myself, I never attempted to, but some people enjoy solving puzzles.
I really don't have the time to participate in something like this, but the Halo 2 back-story would be interesting reading in itself. Is there a site that has collated all the work done so far, so that I could chronologically read through the clips/storyline for myself? Thanks, RcktMan77
As a Cloudmaker (the group that participated in the AI game now known as The Beast) I was disappointed by the I Love Bees "game". While the story was certainly interesting, and that is what kept me in it for as long as I was, the game aspect seemed to be sorely lacking. Almost everything was taking bits of text or audio that was given to people then figuring out how to assemble them so that they make sense. It was less of a game, and more of a story that the reader had to assemble from parts. Sure, those parts were scattered around through different readers, but there really wasn't much of a challenge. A large part of the draw of The Beast for me was the actual puzzle aspect. Figuring out what answers Eliza wanted. Having to take chess moves, enter them into a chess program to find the best counter-move, and then have that be the password. Puzzles that forced huge amounts of people to brainstorm together to come up with the answers.
I Love Bees may be a good marketing tool. And it may be a good story. But it failed as a game for me.
"Information wants to be expensive" - Stewart Brand, the same guy who said "Information wants to be free"
Exactly, SO let's break this down
alternate reality game= cryptic puzzle designed to overlap reality
Radio drama=audio book in 30 second snippets
Microsoft=Microsoft
Halo2= Sequel to Halo 1
Random payphones=identified by GPS co-ordinates derived from the cryptic puzzle
Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
Haha, it's true capitalism is so alienating that people will eventually live their whole life in some hallucinated advertisement...
We had one shot at derailing this thing in 1917 but we blew it...
I guess having a Kobe Bryant Nike Air Jump Techno-Shoe(tm) stepping on a face for eternity is better than the boot Orwell imagined but still, it sucks...
Who's the hottie who plays Dana?
I almost gave up stalking the woman.
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yeah, but it's DUMB.
It's attempted mind control disguising itself as information.
It's going away now, and I still ain't figured it out!
"Imagine a hand stealthly taking money out of your pocket. For the rest of eternity!"
Some people have driven hours to take part, and one player even braved Florida's Hurricane Ivan to answer a call at a pay phone that was destroyed shortly afterward.
...do they give out assists for Darwin Awards?
"Dude," said Puppetmaster 2, "it's a hurricane. Put the phone down." [from TFA]
As a resident of Northwest Florida (I stayed through the storm), I would actually ENCOURAGE idiots like this. "It's a fucking HURRICANE. Go play VR games!!!"
'If you're flammable and have legs, you are never blocking a fire exit.'
Homer: Or what? You'll release the dogs, or the bees, or the dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark they shoot bees at you?
/ sounds/Homer/bees.wav
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/2359
http://www.snpp.com/episodes/1F16.html
...it's a game, not a meme. Bzzzzt, you've been moderated down due to incorrect usage of meme.
The meme police, They live inside of my head
that a guy named "Preston Thorne," which I take to be his real name, and arguably a decently cool one at that, decided to go by the name "Lt. Weephun"?
Ilovebees = fun. I enjoy playing it and I couldn't give a damn about Halo 2. So should a "marketing gimmick" be ignored even if it is entertaining on its own? Do you refuse to be entertained by an inventive television commercial because even though it's funny, it's there to sell you something? For that matter, the purpose of television is to keep you watching so you see the commercials and they make money. So I guess since the entertainment inustry isn't out intentionally keeping us amused for free, we'd all better go back to making shadow puppets in our living rooms so we're not beholden to corporate interests.
How about you look into your subject a little before you bash people for being suckered by advertising when that's not the case?
The ARG is based on the story of the Halo universe, and yes, come November 9th it will end (According to the Wired article) with ppl being directed to video game stores to buy the game. But although it is technically just one giant commercial, there is not a constant product barrage. People answering the payphones aren't getting spammed with "Buy Bungie games!" or "XBox Rulez!" because that breaks the suspension of disbelief the game (I Love Bees) has created. It is in fact a standalone free alternate reality game. You don't have to like Halo, you don't have to have even ever played Halo. While it may be true that there is no such thing as a free lunch, there is nothing about ILB that forces its product upon you, and I have a feeling that come Nov 9th a lot of people are going to be very sad their fun is over, but go on with their lives w/o giving a rat's ass whether they play Halo2 or not.
As for me, I don't have time to crack cyphers and answer random payphones, but I'll be buying Halo 2 because Halo was the most fun multiplayer FPS I've ever played IMO. Some people may decide to buy Halo 2 because of ILB, and if not then at least they had fun playing the game, incidentally one which gets people outside and interacting rather than just staring monotonously at the television for hours. And unlike the decoder ring revealing an anticlimactic paid advertisement, the "secret" unlocked by ILB will possibly be one of the best video games ever produced - hardly a letdown.
-- I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist. It's not my fault that life sucks so much. --
Well, there is a real danger that one of the canidates running for office will win.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
If you don't care, then why did you bother to post. Tool.
Exactly! Why is it that people that use 'Paradigm' get ridiculed, and users of the word 'Meme' are hip?
How about you look into your subject a little before you bash people for being suckered by advertising when that's not the case?
How about you read into some of the examples I mentioned before you start into some uneducated barage of bullshit?
But although it is technically just one giant commercial, there is not a constant product barrage. People answering the payphones aren't getting spammed with "Buy Bungie games!" or "XBox Rulez!" because that breaks the suspension of disbelief the game (I Love Bees) has created.
The items I mentioned (Geocaching yellow jeeps, A Christmas Story, and the music cartels) have all come under the guise of something else. Yeah, when you're geocaching you pick up travel bugs. Usually they are released by other geocachers for the fun of watching them travel. These were created for the sole purpose of advertising Jeeps.
Ovaltine was sponsoring a radio story which ended in a code that you decoded with your ring. You found out the secret message only at the end of the game. Based on the reaction from the main character I'm assuming he wasn't expecting what he learned.
The music cartels love to give you what you want... Music. Lots of it. Most people have no idea it's a commercial and even if they do most people just don't care because they get their music.
The point of all of this is that even though YOU might not care it's still blatant marketing and you are falling for it hook, line, and sinker. If that's ok w/you, so be it, but the parent shouldn't bitch that the rest of us don't care for it.
Yeah, Sil, marketing makes the world go round, but just for a while, I wouldn't mind too much if the room stopped spinning.
(As someone who doesn't care about Halo 2 or what-have-you, I may have enjoyed the "advertainment"... alas.)
That's not the worst of it. Over at Livejournal, the word "meme" has taken on the definition of "annoyingly colorful randomly-generated crap that you copy and paste into your journal". Every time I see someone calling some memegen crap a "meme", I die a little inside.
(For the lucky uninitiated, these things work by taking some random input, hashing it and picking random elements from sets of answers.)
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
Ok so considering you are posting a reply to a story that is specifically about a website with a detailed explaination of ilovebees, I have to say that your post is pretty stupid. Just an observation.
Or put another way: RTFA
...is that none of the locations for it were in Hawaii. Oops, guess the islands are too small of a market for you guys.
oh, wait, this is /.
off topic I know but wasnt it Taster's Choice coffee not Maxwell house?
Not as bad as wasps, though. If there's ever an 'I Hate Wasps' game, count me in! Those fuckers have a nest somewhere in my apartment building, and when I turn my heating on for the winter I keep finding wasp corpses in my living room!
You must think in Russian.
I've done a bunch of research on this game since I happened to notice it early. A group of us weren't happy with the quality of reference material available and decided to start an editorial-team based Wiki.
If you're interested in the "I Love Bees" ARG (Alternate Reality Game) and want a more in-depth view, you might want to take a look at the FireFlies Guide. For the whole picture, we have a bunch of analysis and reference info available on the rest of our Wiki.
Don't worry about it. It's just stupid, and you're smarter for not "getting it".
i guess another four more years of Bush is all we have to look forward to:(
Don't blame me, I voted for [insert equally bad opposing candidate's name here].
The word meme has ushered in a new paradigm in eBullshit.
But... But... we need this kind of bullshit more than ever! You see, with fewer and fewer people required to work at useful jobs, because of accelerating productivity, we instead need to rely on this bullshit economy. We have to happily consume BS and produce more BS, otherwise we'll have to reevaluate the welfare system. :)
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Power to the Peaceful
I'd also like to ask what about my post you consider an "uneducated barrage of bullshit"? I stated only a) my opinion that the game could be enjoyed regardless of the product tie-in, and b) facts culled from the /. posting and the wired article, and having visited the ILB site itself when this thing began.
Making a (unsupported) personal attack against me does nothing to forward your argument.
As to you feeling the need to explain in detail each of your examples, I really don't know why you bothered, they were already quite clear. Wasn't it obvious from my post that I was referring to none of those things (except for the ovaltine ring analog)? Yes, those things (geocaching by Jeep, RIAA sludge, and Ovaltine decoder rings) are disguised advertising, whoopie, you outted them, good for you. I'm not disagreeing with that. What I'm saying is that even though ILB falls under the same umbrella, it has added value, and in a way that I think doesn't necessarily have to end with the user buying the product. In fact I think it'd be a pretty big leap for someone not already interested in Halo to end up buying the video game because of ILB, the two being vastly different game spaces (one reality, the other console) and experiences (some ppl like intrigue games, but maybe not video games or FPSes).
The point of all of this is that even though YOU might not care it's still blatant marketing and you are falling for it hook, line, and sinker. If that's ok w/you, so be it, but the parent shouldn't bitch that the rest of us don't care for it.
Yeah, it's blatant marketing. As in obvious, as in you notice it and the very act of noticing it means you're not being duped by it. How am I falling for it hook line and sinker? Because I believe it to be benign? The marketing geniuses have thrown their shroud of control over me secretly? No. I think not, as I already said I was planning on buying Halo 2 before it was announced there would be a Halo 2, cuz I like it. As to the unwashed masses? Well there's a lot more dangerous things out there duping them right this second that are a hell of a lot worse than obfuscated Jeep commercials. Like the biased media, a bi-partisan debate committee claiming to be non-partisan, and presidential candidates who are more beholden to corporate interests than the public whom they supposedly represent.
On this one let's agree to disagree, but keep in mind, sometimes you gotta let that which truly does not matter slide.
-- I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist. It's not my fault that life sucks so much. --
For those of you with no patience or time to play the game, they do have a page that comes very close to what you want. Just download all the clips and listen at your liesure. It's also fun to poke around the site and read things there but the audio portion stands up by itself.
The Wired story had it right that it's basically a modern-day radio drama - and I think a really good one. The game around it sounds cool, sad I don't have time for that.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
People seem to dismiss ILoveBees as "YetMoreMarketing".
But the reality is closer to Halo 2 being an ad for ILoveBees! Think about, never once on any ILoveBees area is Halo 2 mentioned. Nor will it be - the whole point of an ARG is the alternate reality! ILoveBees is devoted to slowly playing out this alternate reality, feeding you glimpses of it to get you hooked on the story. It's bulding up this alternate reality where teh Covenent are slowly snuffing out worlds, and getting closer to the Earth.
So in a way it's a sort of inverse marketing, that tells you nothing at all about the product it's meant to get you interested in, but instead meant to get you interested enough in what is going through qualities of its own to maek you want to seek out the product yourself. Of course it helps that you have a back-link in that many people found out about it from the Halo 2 trailer, but that's not made explicit anywhere on ILoveBees.
They make a good point in the Wired article that ILoveBees can stand on its own. I don't even plan to get Halo2 (not having an XBox) until it comes out on the mac (several years hence no doubt). But I still really enjoy listening to teh combined story, even if I don't have time to play the game itself.
For those of a similar mind, they happily have all the audio collected in nice easy to digest chronological bits here.
So, even though it's marketing it's the very best kind which is really not meant to sell the product - it's meant to sell the story - through only text and audio! And isn't that pretty cool all by itself?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
You'll have to wait for the intermediate version, Bee-Cee-Pee-eeL, to come out first.
My hovel for a mod point. You nailed it. I just wish some of of guys and girls (young women, women, etc. to avoid being politically incorrect) with insight would stop posting as ACs. If you have an opinion, you should be willing to stand for it.
SiO2
And I thought those russian BOXs with French HALO 2 were legit.
> In all cases, they will mention the game it > advertises. Case in point, Slashdot just > advertised Halo 2 for free... Wow. If it hadn't been for this "free ad" on Slashdot I'd have NEVER heard of Halo 2. Hmm...
who won?
But what if its NOT? (dun, Dun, DUN!!) They might be contacting us from the future and warning us as often as they can.
Did you know you can be apathetic to apathy? Not that I give a shit...
Yeah, sure. It's the butler. It's always the butler.
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?
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If trolls = whiny bitches, then yes.
I don't see the point to all this. And, as if it wasn't clear, this is fucking gay. I mean really fucking gay. The gonzo marketing really fisted some pretty sappy bitches into this cespool of gayness.
Yes, why is it that 90% of rock music after 1990 is whiny angsty bullshit?
It came to an end alright...
People like you make me shake my head.
Get down off of your high horse for a minute.
Its really easy to think that you are better than everyone else because ads don't get to you.
Did you actually try Ilovebees?? I don't think so.
JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING ADVERTISES A PRODUCT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT SUCKS.
Take it in its own merit and stop thinking that you are superior just because you can disregard something without actually examining it.
Okay, this is pretty dumb. This site reminds me of every stupid faked computer interaction ever to make it into a mainstream movie.
The page loads. Then some JavaScript starts inserting crap and shifting things. Oooooo! WTF? What kind of retarded tech-type could even suspend the tiniest bit of disbelief over this?
Sorry, but it's ludicrous from the very first page hit. At least the whole A.I. release seemed to be a technologically-grounded puzzle, rather than a silly, contrived, visual presentation.
I have seen TV ads which I enjoyed more than the show they interrupted (not to mention popular shows with almost nothing but advertising). I don't rush out and buy the product just because the ad was superior, however. You could think of Michelangelo's David or Pietà as merely advertising for the Christian religion, but that would be rather missing the point. Just because creative art is inspired by (or even funded by) a group with an interest in winning you over to their way of thinking does not invalidate the art itself, or the act of its creation.
Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
- Do you hate "viral" advertising?
- Do you love beer?
Then perhaps you should check out ilovebeer!English is easier said than done.
Some people take reality gaming a bit too far:
Choice Quote:
"Dude," said Puppetmaster 2, "it's a hurricane. Put the phone down."
in girum imus nocte et consumimur igni
Cyan was doing the whole AR thing (if not an ARG) years ago with Riven and the Spyder character. They did it with the whole Zandi/preafter.com bit (now down) and the DRC (D'ni Restoration Council) forums for Uru, when it was still going to be an MMORPG in order to get beta testers. Damn lot of fun it was too, I participated. Of course it's marketing, but that doesn't make it less engaging. We don't often get to play "games" in real life.
Not true! Multiple payphones have been ringing for weeks in Hawaii, on multiple islands! They've been successfully answered, too. No state can complain... there have been in-game sites now in all 50 states!
Huckabees' is about a company that markets itself as a responsible, environmentally friendly shopping store. Meanwhile its marketing director, his girlfriend, and the environmentalist who's been muscled out of his own organization all have "existential" crisis.
Hint: the music cartel (note the singular) gives you what they want to give you, and tells you it's what you want. Apparently, many people believe them.
Mail? Put "slashdot" in the subject to pass the spam filters.
Clueless one,
Yes, Microsoft's goal with ilovebees is that you will ultimately give them money.
But then again, Microsoft's goal with Halo2 is that you will ultimately give them money. Are you going to argue that it's somehow less fun because of the economic motive? No, because that would be stupid. So why make the claim that this "advertisement" as you call it isn't fun? In the end, the means to meet Microsoft's goal involves creating something engaging and very fun to play. So who cares about the motive?
Oh, and by the way, VA Software's goal with Slashdot/Sourceforge/Freshmeat is that you will ultimately give them money. Guess you better stop reading, huh?
Yeah! I have the same problem with books!
It's like, you're supposed to believe that the words written on a sheaf of dead tree sheets is actually happening when obviously they're just words put there by some printing press! How insulting to a person's intelligence is that?! And you even have to turn the sheets of paper over yourself! The whole thing is a total crock! Totally unbelievable!
And then there's D&D. . , where people say they're somebody else, when really they're just spinning falsehoods. Don't even get me started on D&D!
Though, joking aside, I can see totally your point. The fact that you're having the "failure to suspend disbelief reaction", (which to be fair, I entirely shared when looking at the Bees page), means that it could have been done a lot better.
The way I would have done it, off the top of my head, is to have made a web page or series of web pages which look like they'd actually been altered in a conventional way, but by a source with a fantastic origin. In a fictional story where it is possible to send matter and energy back through time, how hard is it to accept that electrons and magnetic charges stored on a web server can be manipulated from the future? Remember the phone message system to the future used in, "12 Monkeys"? --That kind of logic was clean and plausible, some variation of which could easily be used to introduce fictional elements into the real world in this case. Anything is possible with fiction. That's the point. There is no good excuse for clumsy "style over substance" mistakes. --A desperate commando from the future seeking help in the past I doubt is going to waste his time making clever looking javascript graphics. (Unless of course, you're trying to show that he's a fucking idiot. He was on the losing side, was he? Hmm.)
But then, the nature of this game was dreamed up by a team which included, most likely, a lot of marketing people and not enough solid creative types who had command veto. Marketing people have the curious problem of being very smart and very stupid at the same time. It's really hard, apparently, to wash the 'slick' off a marketing drone. Most things dreamed up by marketing drones tend to have that subtle odor of, "Coke vs Pepsi". It makes me very badly not want to buy stuff. Ever.
But, clearly, we're in the minority.
-FL
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the new Apple Power-Etch-A-Sketch
The new Apple Power-Etch-A-Sketch sucks! No PCI slots, therefore no expandability. And don't get me started on the two knobs! All my etch-a-sketches have had three or more knobs since the mid 90's.
Besides which, it costs too much. I could build my own for $500 that would have slots and three knobs.
... you can always waste time at www.lilgames.com
Tell that to the British soldiers who are standing and dieing alongside their American allies on the war torn streets of Iraq. Whatever your opinion is of the British, know that they have the bravery and honour to stand by their convictions and put their lives on the line when it matters. The election will be over one way or the other in a matter of weeks, the close relationship that has existed between our two nations stretches back decades. Shame on you.
Got pretty involved at first, when it was like a mystery and there was backstory to try and untwine.
But then the axons happened. And instead of a mystery, it was like a really straightforward scavenger hunt. And only people in certain cities could play. And the only thing you got out of it were audio clips.
The only actual puzzles that cropped up were solved by the ARG community in a matter of hours. As some people started to interact with the ILB characters, the whole game started to get impacted by the actions of just a person or two. Instead of a community detective story, ILB turned into a quasi-interactive radio play.
Still cool, but sort of a let down to those of us who got a taste of an ARG.
A number of my friends kept journals there a few years ago. I started one so I could keep up with some people who are long-distance from me, and so I'd have an outlet for writing. Those are the main reasons, I suppose. Sure, hitting 'random journal' brings you to unadulterated crap nine times of ten, but there are a few decent writers on there.
Oh, and the 18+ communities, with their gobs, gobs and gobs of amateur porn. (If you LJ, go check out kaizersoze125. It's full of porn.)
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
If you liked the concept ILOVEBEES presents http://realworldgaming.com/ is launching another game with the same sort of feel, but drastically different story. It is a free game and easy to be a part of. It also gives you all the same kind of interactions, jsust with real people and not recordings or bots.
So if you would like to join please opt-in at http://rgalliance.com/optin.html. And then please be sure to register at http://www.forum.immersionunlimited.com/ to meet up with other players. The chat room can be found at http://www.forums.metaunlimited.com/chat.php
In other news a Canadian TV Station has recently started a TV show with the same idea. The pilot airs Sunday. The TV show is known as Regenisis. More info can be found at http://rgalliance.com/
Not much on the reading comprehension are you?
The point where this deviates from "Radio Drama" is when the actors talk to you and you respond. When what you say to them becomes a part of that self same drama. When was the last time you talked to an ad on TV and it responded? Nevermind, don't answer that. From your ability to dismiss people you don't know, you obviously have myriad conversations with your TV.
The phones are easily found using scripts, and links with maps are magically spit out. They range from Alaska to Hawaii and England. Probably not in your part of Florida though. (ps. make sure the chad comes ALL THE WAY OFF next month, and only one vote per presidential race! Good Luck!)
Considering you are posting on a site subtitled, "News for Nerds" SOME people might get the impression you LIKE SciFi Radio Dramas. Oh right....you are anonymous. How does the old P/A saying go?.... internet connection + anonymity = total fscktard. Well here is one coming right back atcha, you wanna-be cooler-than-thou flame-baiting socially-retarded rectally-inserted-rubiks-cube-having pathetic excuse for an anonymous coward.
Oh yeah, point me to the article ANYWHERE where you get quoted about your hobby. And Jebus forbid someone should do something YOU don't approve of as a HOBBY.
you dummy.
For future reference, I have created a form for dumbass anonymous trolls to use:
"Wow. What a pathetic life this [dude/chick] must lead. These people must also have nervous breakdowns when [describe ridiculously extrapolated activity].
So basically this site [describe hobby site]? So what? Like I'm going to figure out how to [describe hobby activity]?
Screw that. These people need a life. Find a [describe what is stuck in your ass now] and have fun or something."
Happy Trolling!
Define significant portion.
Define advertisement.
Lots of people LOVE Alias, and they mention whatever latest Ford behemoth gas guzzling SUV in the show. So stop watching!
You dismiss it because it is an advertisement? How many of you have spent three hours a week on shareware? Remember the first DOOM? That originally came out as AN ADVERTISEMENT. How many of you played that? I played it a ton. More than I bet she plays ilovebees in a week.
So, thanks Anonymous Coward, for showing us the light regarding demos.
Another fine point you may have missed. UNlike the Maxwell House ads, this is well done.
One more point. You're so smart, and yet you don't tell us what an acceptible form of entertainment is. How are we supposed to know what to do now without you to guide us? If you wrote the parent post, you seem to think the rubiks cube is good honest fun. I would like to play that! What? I have to BUY it? Screw that. I want to do a word puzzle anyway. How about a crossword? I have to BUY that too? Screw that. Crossword puzzles get boring anyway. How about going on Popcap.com? um...aren't these games all ADS for the FULL games? screw that (thanks for showing us what a waste THAT was). Maybe I will just play Halo. I have to BUY that too????
I know....instead of screwing all that, screw you.
If you bothered to learn even a little bit before you shot your mouth off, you would know that there are multiple levels of puzzles in this game. It isn't all answering phones.
A final point. Your whole argument begs the question....so? so it is an advertisement? SO? hm...it is a fun game, done well, my GOD this must STOP! Maybe these people could be doing something else. So could you, yet YOU are here.
Maybe you should get off your ass, go out into the fresh air and answer a payphone. Might do you some good.