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Ubuntu For PPC, And As A Live CD
Jeff writes "Ubuntu is just sweet. For Mac users it is even sweeter, as you can read in this review: it supports hardware like a charm ad now with a live CD out everyone can taste ... sorry, test it." And
Chris writes "Gnoppix 0.8.1 now appears to be Ubuntu Linux based. At OSDir, we've got over 50 screenshots of the Gnoppix 0.8.1 release, including the controversial Ubuntu desktop background images." (See this earlier story; the default background images have been changed in Ubuntu proper, so the "controversy" need not keep you up nights.) The Gnoppix version is a very nice Gnome-based live CD, with fewer apps but more polish than most live CDs I've tried. (Note that this is not the same as the official Ubuntu CD, and that the PPC version is not a live CD.)
Why screw around with PPC Linux, when one can run OS X?
Yeah, OK, if you're poor and can't afford OS X. Maybe if you're a developer. But for users?
Bah.
Why does everyone love Ubuntu? It seems like it's how slackware was in the mid 90s. it's the 3133+ distro.
err... anyone got a link to the controversial theme so we can see what all the fuss was about?
yay.
I tried Ubuntu, It is good as a desktop and the apt-get works like a charm over the firewall/proxy at my comapny. It did not have any of the IDEs or XEmacs by default. So back to FC2, but the up2date does not work over the fireall/proxy :-(.
After having played around with it for quite some time now I have to say that Ubuntu is really a great distribution.
It's really solid though it is only in it's first release now, the desktop is really well thought out, the package selection makes sense and doesn't overwhelm new users but you still can use thousands and thousands of debian packages if you are so inclined.
This distro for me really strikes the right balance between ease of use on the one hand and not taking away the power and choice of linux on the other hand.
All in all I'm really impressed and even now looking forward to the next release. And this is coming from someone who normally uses KDE and Gentoo, so if you impress someone like me with a Debian based Gnome distro you certainly did something right.
As a gnomiac I have been wanting to give ubunta a proper try, but don't want to have to go through an install on my desktop and don't have a machine to spare right now. So I downloaded the ubuntu live Cd and found - like most live CDs - the effort was a complete waste of time. Ok, given that it takes me like a half hour to download it wasn't a LOT of effort, but I was disappointed because I had heard so many good things.
I've also tried two releases of gnoppix and found neither of them to work any better on my two main machines (one of them being a thinkpad 600, which I would expect to be supported by just about anything). In fact, the only live CD I've had any real luck with is knoppix.
Downloaded the full load of ubuntu; given my luck so far trying to build gnome 2.8 on my mdk10.1 community I might just have to break down and give it a proper go. I sure hope it can live up to the hype.
On the link included in the article. From my reading of this posting, it seems to say that Ubuntu has a PPC live CD image available for download, but that does not seem to be the case. I see an i386 live cd (which I downloaded last week), and a PPC install CD. I checked 3 of the download sites.
Did I miss something?
"Well it's not Victory - but then it's not Death either."
apt-get install dict-freedict :D
If gnoppix is based on Ubuntu and Ubuntu already has a liveCD, then what the hell is gnoppix doing? Is gnoppix now just Ubuntu renamed? Seems like gnoppix just got displaced right?
You see more sexually-explicit imagery in toothpaste adverts. What the hell is all the fuss about?
what the fuck are these people smoking?? They find a picture of 3 people, while not wearing clothing, not showing ANY nudity controversal?? The only people who would find that controversal are people who have NEVER had sex, EVER. Grow the fuck up, jesus. If it was a picture with NIPPLE or PENIS I might know what the hell the problem was, but it's people hugging. I'd bet you 1 billion dollars that the ignorant fucks who have their panties in a bunch over this "controversal" picture are the only kind of people who would EVER vote for a president with the blood of over 10,000 civilians on his hands.
Use it to take the load off the main site...
it has something to do with Freedom.
How we know is more important than what we know.
i am glad ubuntu is getting the press it is getting, helps spread the good word of Linux, personally i use slackware, but for newbies and first time users an easy to install & use distro is important, so i wont bash ubuntu even though i hate gnome and prefer xfce for most my needs & kde when i want a more full featured desktop on occasion...
so i must say "Whoop Dee Doo for ubuntu!!!"
But what is the fuss with the background image?
Ok, mod me as (-1 Dumbass) if you will, but let me know what's the fuss!
Online backup with Mozy, sounds like Ozzie, but more!
Ehm, believe it or not, but there are also countries with other moral values than the US and Europe and people in these countries find these kind of pictures offensive.
Now you and I may not agree with this, but who are we to tell them they should adhere to our moral values?
Congrats for your impressive usage of the English language btw. I sometimes forget that it can be that strikingly beautiful.
Ubuntu hits first page every week...
I wonder how much Canonical Ltd. had to pay Slashdot for marketing campaign.
50 Screenshots ? That's a lot of stuff to demonstrate a weak Desktop Environment.
Are you sure Gnoppix is based on Ubuntu?
I was under the impression it was the other way around.
A couple of days ago I tried the Ubuntu RC and on the startup menu (under advanced or something like that; can't really recall correctly) there was something stating that it was GNOPPIX (I could confirm that later at home).
So, is it Gnoppix that is based on Ubuntu, or the other way around?
.. dual-boot with OSX.
.. you can see visible tearing with rect updates in the manager, though the system generally feels (from the cmd line) about as fast as it should be.
.. and with Mac-On-Linux (installed, but not properly config'ed .. yet) I'll be in real heaven, using OSX for candy and Linux for hard-core work.
..
Mine is the rev-a powerbook (the one with the firewire problems), so maybe its my hardware, but the default X config that ships with Ubuntu is s-l-o-w
It is pretty darn nice, sloppy GUI aside, to be running Linux on this machine, which has been a trusty and productive computer (running OSX) since I got it. It truly is pleasurable to have the two best operating sytems around as a selection on my powerBook
OSX is a great Unix, anyway, but for the things that I can't be bothered porting (or using fink to install), and just want to check out anyway, a quick boot into Linux to have a complete 'standard-ish' Linux system to apply that code to, is really productive.
If you've got a PowerBook, I urge you to dual-boot it with Linux/OSX. It will give you some serious reflection about the power of your computer, I think, to see Linux running on it, and OSX side-by-side, as well
; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
The Ubuntu LiveCD and the Gnoppix LiveCD are based upon Morphix, which basically takes away the hard work of re-mastering a Knoppix CD. The base, the part based upon Knoppix contains the kernel, kernel modules, hardware detection, etc. This base is left untouched. You can either a change a mainmod or add lots of minimodules to make different liveCDs
The Ubuntu LiveCD is built using one of Morphix Tools Module Maker. Feed you XML file into module maker and out pops your mainmodule for the LiveCD.
There are a range of tools Morphix tools available to make a LiveCD. Such as Module Maker ibuild and TROM. It is even possible to save you files, configuration and setting to the Morphix LiveCD you using using CD persistant, ready for next boot up. Did I mention the GUI Morphix installer ?
Will this new alignment w/ Gnoppix and the increasing popularity finally prove that Gentoo has followed in the path laid out by BSD, the path to oblivion?
I used to run OS X on my Powerbook G3 (Wallstreet) 266, with 192 MB RAM. It went OK, if a little painful when running several big apps at the same time. I like OS X. Browsing with Safari while reading usenet news with Thunderbird could be a bit slow if iTunes was running, and so on. But apart from that, it was better than you'd expect. Then one of my RAM modules broke, and I was down to 64 MB. OS X wouldn't boot. OS 9 is crap. I installed first Yellowdog, then moved to Debian because Yellowdog's apt was broken.
Debian works well. All my HW is supported, and just browsing with Firefox is much smoother than it ever was in OS X (but of course, running several apps at the time is even more painful with only 64 MB RAM). I finished my thesis in LaTeX and Emacs for Linux instead of using the same in Apple's X11. Not to mention that these are far better integrated in Debian than in OS X with Fink (or that other horrendous TeX installer-thingy with the most miserable GUI I've ever seen). OpenOffice too, if I need Word support.
Oh, and the fact that I know Debian so well means that it's just as user friendly as it possibly can be for me. OS X just give me shiny graphical interfaces for doing the same things a bit more slowly. I can do everything I want to do in Linux, and I'm definately just a user.
Yeah .. *ahem* .. all of that Apt package management is for naught if, after doing a successful install, you still don't get icons in your Program menu.
.. stupid!
This is the #1 problem I have with Ubuntu so far (besides the slow X refresh rate...), its so frustrating to have to work out how to start apps once they've installed, and I usually just resort back to the shell to fire things up
; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
Linux and Pr0n on one CD !! .. I now realize why this has become wildly popular ...
... :)
Well, couldn't resist that
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur
OK, here we go again, Linux for PPC, for x86, for 64-bit processors, for Alpha etc.
Can someone please answer me this: WHEN are we going to see a decent Linux distribution for SPARC machines (Ultra 10s and the like)??? It's like platform support for SPARC is dead or something and everyone keeps bringing out more and more distributions for PPC just because it's cool (?) to do so...
Or is there even a remote possiblity that a *BSD will do equally well on a SPARC machine, as to render Linux redundant?
Apparently it is a photo of humans hugging. It would be perfectly ok if they pointed guns and shot at each other, as usual.
Actually, they're not "hugging"; they're just sort of standing there looking stoned.. Or maybe that's supposed to be an attitude - "we're tough, we're rebels, we're naked - and we have varying skin tones, so we're oh so enlightened".
I would find it less annoying if there were some actual sexuality there. Instead, you have all of the immorality of one naked guy and two naked girls, with none of the fun.
I'm a long time linux promoter. I would like to "Show Off" Linux (read eye candy) to a bunch of people I know, trying to convert them to Linux. I would like to know your opinion on which linux Distro looks the best (to the end user) without sacrificing on the usuall Linux efficiency. -- Don't eat me, I have wife and kids, eat them - Homer Simpson
After Novell surpised me by sending Suse DVD's all the way to the bushes in Africa I could not stop myself from requesting some Ubuntu CD's (I am still on a 56K modem and Telkom charges an arm and a leg for connecting to the internet). I am now watching the mail box like a hawk. Thank You Mark in advance Anxiously waiting for Ubuntu CD's.
...and one flew over the cuckoo's nest.
A Newbie to Linux is not going to have much fun installing the Ubuntu Warty 4.1 release, unless they just let it "do it's own thing" which will more than likely end up destroying all the data they have on thier hard drive, namely, windows.
Perhaps a "newbie to Debian" would be a more accurate description.
I tried it recently and as a slackware 'fancier' I must admit it didn't suit me. In fact, I've never been able to get used to the idiosyncracies of Debain based distributions, even though it's supposedly so easy.
I installed and am giving it the benefit of the dought - who knows, perhaps I'll become a convert and learn to love the Debian way as much as I like Slackware !
But Ubuntu a newbies distro ? - wow, maybe the LiveCD, but the i386 I tried is anything but !
A slashdotting - you get the stick first and then the carrot !
'Cos we all know that P2P is essentially evil and serves no purpose for legal distribution of large files, even so here's the BitTorrent Link
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....but can i run it under PearPC?
Linux is to the internet as Duct Tape is to the Universe.
Anybody know when Gnoppix 8.1 REL will be released? The Gnoppix website said October 20, 2004, but there has been no announcement of its release.
Andrew
Why did I lurk so long before registering for a Slashdot account? I could have had a Slashdot ID of less than 100000.
- for ubuntu... however, you can try this one:
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http://gentoo.osuosl.org/experimental/ppc/livec
the said the distro was gnome only.
I recently converted to the KDE after being a die hard icewm user.
I've read so many comments on slashdot about what a pain in the ass Gnome is.
If I want to futz, I will go back to icewm.
Speaking of Linux distributions, what AMD64 Linux distribution would you guys recommend for use on a high-traffic production server with AMD64/Opteron CPUs? I'm currently looking into Debian's AMD64 port for Sarge (I know, not released yet), Ubuntu, Red Hat Enterprise, and Fedora Core. Which one of these is the most stable/robust? I'd prefer to go with a Debian-based distribution (due to their package management system), but of course stability is more important than convenience.
Thanks.
somebody slashdot the .torrent so the download can move faster.
My brain hurts just saying that.
13 year old white supremacists are shitty web designers.
In a nutshell, the thing that has amazed me is how easy it was to set up. I was running slack with dropline, and this was a transparent replacement.
Mind you, I reinstalled rather than upgraded, but it was frighteningly simple to get EVERY device on my thinkpad working, including the wireless.
It just works. Beyond that they have kept the amount of stuff installed to a reasonable minimum, so that I don't have to fish through 10,000 packages.
That is why there is such a furor over the 'disputed' artwork in my opinion. The distro works so well that people have nothing else to bitch about.
K
"If sharing a thing in no way diminishes it, it is not rightly owned if it is not shared." -St. Augustine
i tried to use OSX for a few days with some real intent, but just found the interface so unbearably complex and confusing. a veritable circus of FX and layered, semantic prompts and 'helpers'. it just doesn't talk back to me in a language i can begin to understand.
admittedly i am a longtime fan of the CLI (i like to speak to my computer) but many others i know reject the OSX DE over Gnome or KDE (neither of which I use however) declaring it's easier to understand. Some of these people have come from apple's OS 9.
put simply, apple's flag of useability is not generic, but very particular and specialised; this is contrary to their gross and apparently empirical assumptions that useability can be homogenized and typified.
secondly OSX is itself a specialist OS, built for specialist hardware. for many it is simply too risky to invest in such a rarified OS, hence linux on the PPC can be a wiser choice with more flexibility and less likelihood of feeling that ones growing ability is locked in to a very particular breed of machine.
finally OSX itself isn't free, and thus cannot *actively and integrally* invlove end users in the design process; it's a third part y company designing how i should use a computer based on an economically defined generalisation of statistical information gleaned from user-testing. this conseravtive approach is old fashioned, anti-innovation and on the short way out.
I thought it was for the Pocket PC... I almost blew a load in my pants. Then I read it's talking about the Mac... I almost blew my chow.
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Make Love not [Browser] War!
I installed Ubuntu on my PowerMac G4 last night. It recognized my Airport card and worked flawlessly.
.iso.
Perhaps the only problem that I had was burning the Ubuntu ISO, which kept causing Disk Tool/hdiutil to crash. I ended up installing CDRecord to burn the
Does anyone know where I can get the ISO of an Enemy Territory LiveCD? I know Gentoo Games released one, but their website has been down forever, and I can't find a torrent of any on Suprnova or any other torrent sites. Lots of googling isn't helping either? I know this is a bit offtopic, but any answers would be terrific. Thanks.
You should browse the packages in Planet CCRMA
http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/
for music sequencing, composition, and synthesis software. It installs on top of Red Hat (e.g. Fedora Core 2) ergo no PPC but many of the same packages may be available in one of the Agnulas
http://www.agnula.org/
or on Debian or in Ubuntu universe.
Dude-
Is that guy in the desktop background getting it on with two chicks?
Sweeeeet
As far as I can tell there is no Live CD for PPC. Are there plans to release one?
But dies very promptly on my Laptop (which is fully supported (bar possibly the model) under Linux. Not that I'm bitching but they still have some work to do.
ubuntu installed great. no hassle what so ever. all devices worked perfect.
//karl
but gnome, firefox and evolution died or zombied on me every second minute.
i've fallen back on my gentoo.
You don't find the default Mandrake theme ass ugly?
Compared to something like Suse ootb I have actually had better experiences with Mandrake, but I think their desktop design is so god-awful ugly -- between the bright blue and the stars and the little round buttons everywhere that look like marbles dropped onto cardboard squares cut from the inside of a shoebox -- this alone is what's holding back its reputation as a "serious" desktop. Even the startup screen just screams "we suck."
A little off topic, but does anyone if there is a solution equivalent to VMWare for the PPC or something like Linux-on-Mac (as opposed to Mac-on-Linux)?
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
When I had the knoppix live cd, I had the option to run the knoppix installer script which allowed me to install a working knoppix on my HD.
the ubuntu live cd has no such feature.. seems fucking dumb I have to no go and burn the install CD (with most of the same content), after just burning and trying out the live cd (which is nice btw).
--Etan
Greetings Ubuntu-Announce readers,
v e-i386.iso.torrentv e-i386.iso
Ubuntu 4.10 -- Warty Warthog -- released on October 20th and has
gotten great feedback so far. The Ubuntu Team is now pleased to
announce that the companion Warty Live CD is released as well!
The Live CD contains a snapshot of everything in the Ubuntu 4.10 but
in a bootable trial form. It will allow you to try out Ubuntu before
installing it, without repartitioning or overwriting any existing
software or data. To use it, just place it in the drive and reboot
your computer. It also contains a small collection of Free and Open
Source software shipped in Ubuntu that you can install on your Windows
system.
The Live CD is only available for Intel and compatible "i386"
processors.
You can get it from one of the follow locations:
Bittorrent:
http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-li
Direct download:
http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-li
Enjoy!
LaMont Jones and the Ubuntu Team
shock. horror. move along.
Excuse me? Certainly OS X isn't "free", although parts of it are. However, where did you get the idea that Gnome isn't "a third-party company designing how you should use a computer based on an economically defined generalization of statistical information gleaned from user-testing"?
Gnomies will give you chapter and verse in a heartbeat about how they know better than you how you should be using your computer. It's their whole reason for being.
Will someone who has spent time with both the Yoper (www.yoper.com) and Ubuntu distros please compare/contrast them?
I'm hunting a desktop distro, and have been living with Yoper for a few weeks now. I like it, chiefly because it is very fast on "older" hardware -- I'm submitting this using Yoper on a PIII 600MHz ultraportable laptop. You can check out www.yoper.com if you want to see why Yoper is faster than most other distros (Gentoo notwithstanding).
Switching distros, however, is painful. So I'd like more info about Ubuntu before trying it. This machine is already dual boot (windoze+Yoper), so I don't have the option to try Ubuntu by putting it into a dual-boot config on this machine.
A thinkpad 600 is not the typical modern day "proprietary" system. IBM supports (albeit in a hands off fashion) linux on these things. It has 440BX motherboard with PIIX controller, a "Neo Magic" chipset which is about the only thing unique to laptops - it's not a machine laden with "unique" hardware, proprietary or no. The one part that is "unique" (the sound system which also runs the modem) even has drivers available form the IBM website - but they're not exactly useful if the machine is too crippled to even boot.
The desktop machines I have tried were based on both S3 and Nvidia motherboards. Funny how the folks at Knoppix can make a distro that works on these machines and that's ok to mention, but to relate bad experiences with any of those that don't work properly (or at all) is simply "spreading FUD."
Linux however is still IMHO better as a server platform because it enables you to cut out all the crap that goes with the OSX gui. Its much easier to set-up , configure and run in headless operation. Its easier to patch and keep up to date. OSX can be more expensive to keep running if you manage to get yourself into the upgrade cycle.
I beg to differ. I run my Xserves mostly from the network through my Linux box. In my experience OS X is *way* easier to setup, patch, keep up to date -- on desktops and servers -- than Linux. If you have OS X Server (bundled with any Xserve) you can setup and upgrade any number of servers/desktops with GUI from a head node. For grid computing, the scheduling software from Apple (Xgrid) is free, easy to install and use, and will be built in the next OS version.
Regards from a humble research scientist working with Linux and OS X, and wishing to be able to get rid of the former to concentrate more on the research.
I'm pretty new to running linux at home. I've tried Mandrake on my laptop and didn't really like it. :-)
After installing Ubuntu last night I gotta say I'm hooked. For the first time I upgraded my kernel to 686 architecture and installed ndiswrapper to get my wireless PCMCIA card working.
Installing the new kernel and ndiswrapper packages was a breeze. So far the toughest part of setting up Ubuntu was the initial hard drive partitioning. If you don't let it format your entire disk automatically, you have to know exactly what partitions you want and what file systems to put on each. I actually used my old Mandrake install CD to handle that part, then used Ubuntu as my actual install!
Previous versions of Virtual PC could run most Linux distros. MS has since bought the product from Connectix and released a new version. Im not certain in Linux is still supported.
You can get Gnome 2.8 packages for Mandrake here.
I'm running them on Mandrake Cooker (development), and it's pretty nice. I'm reasonably sure Cooker is still identical to Official at the moment until all releases are finalized, so it should install fine. You can even set it up with the software sources manager.
And now let me criple a quote of yours: ..ideology on its users?"
"What sort of fucked up world do we live in when an OS tries to force...
Hint: User Interfaces always do. Except you code them all yourself
Come over it, it is (or rather was) a Default-Theme. You don't like it, you change it.
To the picture itself:
It's very open minded.
It shows naked people, three of them, one of them colored and they are fare from looking horny or or being ashamed of being naked or even looking erotic.
This constellation provokes, it provokes the dyed-in-the-wool intolerantly prude.
We are all born naked; and then we are educated that we have to be ashamed of being naked, we are expected to scream and look embarrassed if seen by others (except we now them good enough to fuck them -> hence the stupid association: Naked -> Fucking).
And don't you dare to do away with those unnatural and stupid rules!
Ubuntu dared, the outcome can be seen here, it's really sad and it was far to well predictable.
All: think about it (especially identity0) and only think about it.
Do NOT answer, because an answer will taint your thoughts with the additional thoughts about how your answer will be percieved by others.
Myself, my reason and my opinion:
Yes, I would leave this picture on the Background of my Desk (even at work as long as there are no rules that forbid it [hopefully i will never have to work in such a company]). Maybe I would change it after i have made myself familiar with the new system and started to customize it.
This Picture carries a message and this message is a beautiful one. As soon as we all reach a point where society does no longer object to this message, we live in better place. Theses three people (peacefully) live together with no artificial restraints, care for one another and have no racial prejudices.
They are really more than cave men with suits.
snafu,
Drawoc Soumynona
PS: If you must comment on "Myself, my reason and my opinion:".
Now, what do you mean "set it up with the software sources manager?" There is no install script and those "uncooked" RPMs are a nightmare of dependancies. URPMI worked alright, but it was still a long and arduous install process. If you know a method of installing a reliable desktop from these packages, please provide some details.
I think the directory is still named 2.7, because that's what was there originally and they didn't want to break any links. It's all labelled 2.8 now, and updates a few times a week.
s chk/Man drake/gnome2.7
I added to it to the Software Media Manager (although you can do this at the command line as well), as site:
http://wwwra.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~wa
with index:
hdlist.cz
Then I did:
urpmi.udpate -a
urpmi --auto-select
And everything went fine, just fine. I have cooker main, contrib, and plf set up as sources as well. There's a couple of things in the gnome control centre that don't show up, but nothing is crashy or messed up. And considering how long I've been running cooker now, that's impressive.
Linux is better than Mac OS X
OS X is better than Linux
My flavor of Linux is better than yours
My flavor of Linux is better than Ubuntu
Ubuntu is distributing free pr0n wallpapers
KDE vs. Gnome
I think that covers it. Does anyone actually have anything informative to say about Ubuntu distro itself?
[my apologies to the twenty-odd posters that have actually done so - this isn't intended for you]
oooooh that is yuukkky. Who on Earth came up with that image ?
this is an image more for beneton advert. It's too yukky and puke enducing in this context. It is just tooooooooooo much.
Most geeks aren't attractive; the people in the Ubuntu images are attractive; geeks hate/fear/envy attractive people. Simple as that.