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Beating Roulette With Computers & Lasers
MeerCat writes "The BBC are reporting that a group of gamblers who won more than £1m at the Ritz Casino by using laser technology have been told by police they can keep their winnings.
A laser scanner linked to a computer was allegedly used to gauge numbers likely to come up on the roulette wheel.
Of course this could be Labour spin to try and get people excited about the idea of cheating at mega casinos"
On a par with Number 2's Eye Patch X-ray thing in Austin Powers: IMM
Unless they were using a laser to shoot the ball into the number they wanted, there's nothing at all illegal about this in the U.S., and I'm heartened to read the U.K. either.
"No more bets... And the number is 7... ZAP! I mean 19... ZAP! I mean 22... ZAP! I mean 13... ZAP! I mean 3... The winner is 3! You win again."
I'm a big tall mofo.
I suspect it will encourage others to try new plans. I also suspect the vast majority of them will fail, which probably turns out well for the casinos in the end.
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Amazing that they did get to keep the cash, at least slashdot kept up on a story for once.
As an American living in the U.K. I can say that Britain's perception of their gambling is distorted. Sure poker's big in the U.S., and the last few decades have had a dramatic increase in casinos but, the U.K. seems to think that the rest of the world's addicted to gambling and they're responsible. Blair's mega-casinos; case in point.
The truth is there are slots machines in tons of roadside stops, sports betting shops (ladbrokes, etc) on busy corners, and national lottery ads [adverts] pervasive on t.v. America, (nevada aside) treats gambling much more as a kind of entertainment; in the U.K. it's more about gambling.
I don't doubt there're gambling problems across most cultures, just, I see very little legitimate entertainment in roadside slot machines. It seems to be preying on those with problems.
Just use hermit crabs as roulette balls.
Woohoo!
Crab skitters unpredictable over to another number....
Doh!
check my old comment:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=101
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Actually their said one beutyful girl was from Hungary with two serb guys. They said they used a mobile-shaped laser-scanning device, but they don't know if it is prohibited.
http://index.hu/tech/tudomany/ritz040323/
in hungarian.
Later they said, that this device cannot exist, as such a device would be least a pc large and needs a calibration of some hours and at least NASA technique to make it.
So at last, they said, that there are a number of people who actually can figure out what is the winning number from the spinning of the wheel by her own eye.
The article also mentions, that after all, they don't really need to now the EXACT target of the ball, if they can close out 2 numbers, they can earn an average of 3% per round.
So anyway, it's a weird weird story with SCI-FI elements..."
New articles, like
http://index.hu/politika/bulvar/kaszcs04120
say, they had a laser-scanner build in a phone, the results were sent back to a bigger computer for calculations, finally the results arrive on the phone, play & profit.
No
The famous MIT story is that teams didn't use any kinds of computers. You don't need to use computers to beat blackjack either. But they did get kicked out of casinos since they're private property and they dont like cardcounting. The fact it's legal is irrelevant.
But until they rewrite the rules, are we allowed to take the lab equipment (with trypods, industrial laser sources, generators and the home-brew linux-cluster for calculations) to a casino with the
white coat stuff and funny glasses?
Casino marketing manager:
"There is a portion of the population that think that casinos are stupid waste of time because the odds say that the players CAN'T win.
"Well... time to put a stop to that! Let's tell these smarties that very smart people that study the roulette wheel a lot can predict where the ball will land with some kind of accuracy. We'll suggest that people can tilt the odds in their favor! Haha!
"But we all know that the steps to winning are:
1. Get out casino mentioned in the news and in faux "cheating vegas" documentaries.
2. Encourage these smarties to get themselves to the casino and play some roulette. Those smarties will think they are "honing their predictive capabilities."
3. Profit!
Heck, it worked for Blackjack... let's get them into roulette too!
You don't need computers to count cards. The MIT guys sure didn't. Hell, whipping out a PDA in the middle of a blackjack game would be an excellent way to tip off the casinos as to what you're doing. One of the hardest parts about counting cards is making it look like you and your accomplices are just a bunch of unrelated people playing a normal game of cards.
By the way, you should mode the above post as either 'Funsightful' or 'Funformative' :]
You can't handle the truth.
see
The Eudaemonic Pie
or "The Newtonian Casino" as the UK print was called
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Casino rules != The Law
They probably did break casino rules, and they have almost certainly been banned from going back. But, that doesn't mean they broke the law.
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The plus side of MIT's operation was that they worked as a team. Teams are much harder to spot by the casino staff than a single card-counter, so they managed to make a lot before being spotted. Wired's story.
Sounds like a good way to get yourself banned from every Casino on earth. The house ALWAYS wins, just ask the MIT blackjack team.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?
funny how casino rules aren't the law, but mpaa/riaa/gnaa says something and it somehow becomes the law.
oh, america.
Roland Piquepaille and slashd
Don't know about the UK, but American casinos won't need anything rewritten: the courts have long since held that a casino can ban anyone it sees fit. That would include people waving lasers.
rj
I once heard of some guys who had a computer inside a shoe, but I think that was for roulette. Maybe that's what you're thinking of?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
It was in a cell phone
And some theory behind it from the previous slashdot article.
I think you are speaking of the computers used by Ken Uston's black jack teams. This computer was named George. You can stil buy them from these guys Casey Computer
-William
God is everything science has yet to explain.
One, in the UK it's maths. Two, it's not maths, it's statistics.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Casino rules != The Law
I'm pretty sure this would have been against the law in Vegas.
If it is possible to win by detecting non-randomness then the wheel, or the process for using it, is bent.
My main objection to casinos is not that they provide a place for gambling - people will do this, and it is probably better that they do this in a way subject to some sort of regulation - but that reported incidents suggest they do not run fair games, and that the stacking of the odds on e.g. fruit machines is probably intended to fuel gambling addiction. It's like the alcohol industry producing alcoholic fruit drinks to get kids hooked, or just about any strategy of the tobacco industry. If the casino gets caught by someone using statistical analysis, the law should not protect them from their own dishonesty.
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Q: Double O Seven, here is your ring and watch.
Bond: Why on earth would you want me to wear such a bobble? You know red isn't my color and this watch looks like something from a crackerjack box.
Q: Commander Bond, this is no ordinary ring and watch.
Bond: What does this ring act as a glass cutter and this watch emits fatal eletrical shocks. Are you really running out of ideas?
Q: No, since this mission is gambling and you are our best gambler. This ring and watch makes the task of winning the 50,000,000 Euros a whole lot easier. This ring acts as a faint lazer while this watch is actually an LCD screen. Both are connected to a highly specialized radio signal. While most people only see the watch from aside (turns the watch left and right with a slight 90 degree tilt); at only your viewpoint you are able to see the scanner at work. This calculates the speed of the roulette spin and you can place constant and certain bets all the time.
Bond: Do you think my keen gambling sense is wearing down by age?
Q: Heavens no, I just want to make sure that you will win the 50,000,000 Euros and breaking Le Chiffre's bank. SMERSH needs to feel the agony of debt and you are the man to do it.
Bond: What if they find out that I am 'cheating'. You know that I have a repuation to keep up.
Q: You went through kidnapping, torture, and even the loss of your wife. You can certainly handle the Casino Royale's security.
(I already know that Bond and Le Chiffe faced off each other at baccarat instead but I want to make it revelant to the story)
Sorry, BS.
It's a game of chance, yes, however, saying "it's not fair to those not similarly equipped" is irrelevant. You are not competing against other players at the table in any way. You winning or not has no effect on their ability to play, or to win. You are competing against the casino.
The "spirit" of the game is guessing what's going to come up next based on the information available to you and everyone else at the table. If I am smarter than the guy next to me, is that an unfair advantage? If I count cards at blackjack, is that "unfair"? (No, it's not, but will likely get me asked to not play blackjack anymore at that particular casino)
This is not about fairness or anyhting like that, it's purely about profit. Odds are in favor of the house. This device shifts the odds in favor of the players, therefore, the casinos cannot afford to operate the game if these devices are permitted on the premesis. Plain and simple. The same reason they do not allow card counters to play blackjack for too long, becuase they would continuously lose money.
If there was no law on the books against this, then rightly so they should walk away with the money. The casino should do more to protect itself from this.
Anyone selling this scanner on Ebay ?
I would need to receive the item before my next trip to Vegas.
Also does it come with the beautiful hungrarian girl ? It might help with security when the casino realize you can actually win.
This approach to beating roulette was first approached back in the 1980s. The Eudaemonic Pie is a classic hacker tale and should not be missed if you can find a copy.
I love this, like taking shortcuts to an easy buck hasn't been the 'social mantra' since we first attached value to anything whatsoever, including food.
You sound like someone yearning for the "good old days". they never existed, tough guy, never ever.
That was in an episode of CSI..
(Might have happened for real too. I don't know)
they would let me keep my slot machine winnings I got with that HERF gun ....
---- "Logoff! That cookie shit makes me nervous!" - A. Soprano
The roulette shoe computer is here.. UCSC, MIT ... that's near enough for government work.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
but stories about how "the only time I played I put in $2 and made $20" help fuel that gambling addiction.
It's the few people who win at casinos that give the rest hope.
Huh? Is this some new math? Or is it because the jackpot is always behind door #4?
Yeah you only get one chance, and that chance was always 4:1. They just show you some empty doors in order to get you to increase your bet.
Huh. So in other words ... gambling is honest work? The whole point of gambling (from the gambler's perspective) is to find a shortcut to an easy buck. If some happen to be a little too efficient at achieving that, well that's too bad for the casinos. No difference in principle.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
I'm banned from Soaring Eagle Casino and Resort for card counting. Just basic deck-weighting, nothing fancy. Usually if they think you're card counting, they offer you free drinks. They always watch gamblers who aren't drinking (espeically if the drinks are comp) extra closely, and they will at the very least take away your notes or calculator, if not ask you to leave.
Was it fair? No. But it's theirs now.
Goo goo g'joob.
Funny how you can say something completely moronic and it gets modded down, but if you mention RIAA you're suddenly "insightful".
Don't blame me; I'm never given mod points.
One should also note that Soaring Eagle Casino and Resort is notorious for not paying out much as they should for their slot machines. I wouldn't be suprised if they ask anyone trying to get a leg up to leave.
Even though they are fined by the feds for not paying out they just eat the fines and come out on top anyways.
I spent a part of my collegiate career at that casino since it was right down the road
--J
Of course this could be Labour spin...
Spin. Roulette. Heh.
Of course this could be Labour spin to try and get people excited about the idea of cheating at mega casinos.
Can somebody tell me what this means? Why would Labour (which I assume to mean the UK Labour Party) want to get people excited about cheating at mega casinos?
On one hand, any publicity is good publicity. But more specifically, letting these people keep the money may give the average person the impression that maybe they can try their hand at a laser-roulette scam, or perhaps maybe a card counting scam, or... etc. But casinos are profitable for a reason, and even if a few people succeed at cheating, the vast majority will lose money -- more than enough to make up for the cheaters.
And more publicity and this sense of "Do YOU want to try your luck?" brings in more business for the casinos, which would mean more revenue for the government through taxing or however they make money off the casinos.
So an individual can win and casino's even like that. It makes the rest of the customers who are loosing feel better.
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THis is what happens whe you dont pay mathematicians or engineers enough. THey go and do something insane, and everyone else doesnt know what to make of it, heheheh. Seriously though, developing that kind of program - to calculate the precise number of rotations on a spinning wheel - is the perfect example of high level engineering. I've done many questions like that only instead of Gambling wheels, it was vehicle wheels. Once you know the accelleration and the velocity at time 0, you just use standard energy equations. If you want to get fancy with your program you could figure out the oil used and the shaft used, and add in the known values for friction, etc (all this is available in charts/tables). THen all you need is the time for one full rotation, the size of the wheel and its weight (initial conditions) which you could find after two test runs with the laser velocity/accelleration finder. After that, you could make, say, a device that all you do is click a button when it starts spinning, click again after half a rotation or a full rotation, then it displays the winning number on a screen. Then, if you have an electrical engineer around, you could make into its own embedded device with a screen, about the size of a watch. Voila - El Cheaterwatch. The best thing since the Black Box. Who needs the ability to make free phone calls when you can win millions of dollars gambling, booyah.
So what's next, oh wise British lawmakers? Marking cards on Carribean Draw legal? Pre-arranging with the dealer to load a baccarat shoe with front-faces legal? Soft-spinning a Sicbo wheel legal? Collusion in poker legal?
These are cheaters, plain and simple. Why would we think them any different?
" Unless they were using a laser to shoot the ball into the number they wanted, there's nothing at all illegal about this in the U.S., and I'm heartened to read the U.K. either."
In the U.S. it's illegal to use and sort of electronic computer to 'assist' with casino gambling. The law's main purpose is to prevent card counters from using digital devices to help keep track of which cards have been played, but the law would certainly cover this sort of thing as well.
Come to think about it, it was rather funny. Also, didn't one of the Bond girls used that ring?
Do not try this (using laser pointers that is... ) with the Russian "variety" of Roulette. While its sure to improve your aim and your chances of "winning" you might find yourself losing out on life a bit!
A couple of randomly placed magnets underneath the roulette wheel by the house could defeat this sort of technology, at least for a while - but they'd have to be weak enough and placed not-quite-randomly to not be noticed by anything other than a computer. Force the computer to take too long to return a calculation so that bets cannot be place.
Or they could use electromagnets on a randomly cycling pattern so that any given spin some of them are off and some are on, making the computer simply observe for a large number of spins before it can do anything - and then maybe change the pattern every hour.
It has to find and register the wheel, which is an object of known form. Lane Hawk could do this. It then has to find and track the ball, which is not too hard (try the Lucas-Kanade feature tracker in OpenCV) and extract position and velocity. Given that information, prediction is possible.
Now that 3D game capability is going into camera phones, there's enough processing power in phones to consider this. It can all be done with passive sensors. You don't need lasers.
So I'm a whiner. But "offtopic"? Dabo has a spinning wheel, money bets, and odds in favor of the house. Seems pretty on topic to roulette to me. And those Dabo girls - you wonder how some of those outfits got on television. Sweet visions.
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Two factors will screw things up:
1) Inconsistencies in the roulette wheel itself. No wheel is going to be perfect. Therefore when the ball hits those imperfections, your laser calculation magic is going to be off.
2) The spin on the ball is going to alter behavior. The spin won't be the same every time. Also, since the ball is shiny metal with no markings, the spin will be rather hard, if not impossible to detect.
Maybe you can improve your odds with such a device, maybe not. Better bring along a good sized wad of cash to cover yourself on the losing rounds.
Do you mean a telephone? I am one of the few around here old enough to remember Maxwell Smart the TV detective. The CIA were obviously fans. http://www.cia.gov/spy_fi/item15.html
On second thoughts it might look a bit obvious these days - a mobile phone is less noticeable than a shoe!
So were they using a LIDAR setup embedded in a cell phone to clock the speed of the ball, then relay the results via CDPD, GSM or analog modem over the cell phone to an offsite computer, which would send back the results?
I say let them keep the money. Their hack was passive, and didn't in any way touch the casino equipment.
During the travel channel/TLC's week long advertisements for Vegas, they run stories about crime in the Casinos. They mentioned a PI type confiscated software that could predict the numbers in Keno from some cheats. He then used it himself to beat the odds, basically correctly guessing a lotto number to the exact number. The Casino immediately went into investigating it since someone won (someone else said they don't like to give out money, the other person was right) and matched him to his job to his winnings, and he got popped.
Basically the casino was resetting the Keno machine every night, which throws off it's RNG and makes things predictable.
I've kind of got the attitude that if it wasn't for the fact he confiscated the software from someone else, he should have been awarded the money and not be given a jail sentence. It was passive.
This story almost makes it worthwhile to break out like 6 PDAs and three different color laser pointers beaming them on a wheel, with a ton of wires. Get a friend to videotape the casino thugs dragging you outside and beating you.
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I am one of the few around here old enough to remember Maxwell Smart the TV detective.
I don't think that's true at all. Or else I'm suddenly feeling very old!
peaking at the dealers cards IS cheating. this isn't and neither is card counting.
Well, you'd need a frame rate and resolution higher than a camera phone can provide...quite yet. I bet you could do well with just speed and position inputs, and you can get those off of a camera picture. The ball is small, and has little spin energy, not enough to throw you off. The random bouncing off the barriers between the numbers is much worse, and is hardly predictable.
But you don't need a lot of accuracy. If you predict 1-in-36 correctly, you're breaking even. Predict 1-in-30, and you'll need a pickup truck to haul the cash home.
God knows how you got modded informative for that crap. There's a well documented history of people using devices to cheat in casinos.
exactly $126 on the roulette. :)
but you are right, it is a negative outcome game. i was just lucky.
A less ethical method is for the casino to randomly switch the balls for each round, having an assortment of light and heavy balls. Or for the dealer to learn how to put a little "English" on the ball, using back spin and top spin to randomize the ball's time-of-flight (it doesn't take much).
If all else fails, the casino can deal with the big winners the old fashioned way: switch on the hidden electro-magnet hidden under the table. Any crooked gambling house knows how to rig a roulette wheel!
Now how do I make it work with my online casino?
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Once casinos catch on to a particular form of cheating, they obviously close down on it. That's why there are multi-deck shoes for dealing blackjack, and huge amounts of video and radio detection equipment and facial recognition tech in the pit in the first place. But there always have been cheats (or rather creative individuals) that find loopholes and abuse them until the goalposts move again. There are people cheating in the casinos right now working as teams.
it is perfectly legal because the law of nevada say they can. the courts will side with the house in nevada also. they can do what ever they want without fear of breaking the law (because the law says they can)
STUPID TROLL
Umm...You may think that math precludes gambling, but I believe that you'll find many of the more 'serious' gamblers are people well-versed in math, who beleive that their deep ability to quickly calculate their momentary odds provides them an advantage. One of my friends has a masters in mathematics from a highly prestigious university, and is the most dedicated gambler I personally know.
If you don't have an intuitive knowledge of odds calculations, you will likely do poorly at poker, because 'knowing' what your opponents could have, and luring them into betting when *you* know they have a much lower chance of winning than you is the best path to winning.
Laugh while you can, monkey-boy!
This was a decent book, a precursor to the now more famous "Bringing Down the House", featuring the same brainy, persistent hacker types looking for an exploitable edge. It was a bit of a let down, in that the kids never really made the system pay off on a large scale, despite proving the concept. But the reasons for failing to make the big score are interesting: One, interpersonal issues, which take the story into California hippy culture. And two, the challenge, which slashdot readers will recognize, of pushing immature technology to its limits. These guys were putting a computer into the sole of a shoe and using digital radio communications in the 70s! The night at the table with modest successes interrupted by repeated electrocutions was precious.
The evaluation of an action as 'practical' . . . depends on what it is that one wishes to practice.
I wanted sharks with laser GUNS on their HEADS. Not sharks with lasers and computers!
Was it fair? Absolutely. They won using only the observable odds. Casinos can fix this problem easily. All they have to do is stop all betting before the wheel is spun--not blame the players.
Once again, Casinos want to blame winners for the fact that the casino games are winnable. This same problem applies to card counters. They only use the observed cards to calculate the odds and raise their chances of winning just a fraction. The outcome? Casinos throw card counters out and place their names and photos on a national black list shared with other casinos!
Baring players just for winning is dishonest and should be illegal. Casinos predicate their marketing on the idea that players can win, but the casino practices show that this is, in part, a false promise. Casinos should fix games that can be won rather than cheating the public by baring them from playing.
It's like the alcohol industry producing alcoholic fruit drinks to get kids hooked, or just about any strategy of the tobacco industry.
My Suburban burns less gasoline than your Prius.
I have been dealing most of the house games (Roulette, Blackjack, Carribean, 3 Card poker,..) now, out in a St. Louis, MO, for about 6 monthes. I am on a "make money for a new degree" detour. The midwest hasn't been to kind lately.
A wheel dealer with about 1-2 years experience, is generally good enough to hit quadrants (groups of 9 #'s) and sectors (groups of 6 #'s). The casino I work for wants about a spin every 90 seconds under a full table (12 players). If you are a dealing during busy hours all the time (evenings) that is still 1200 spins a week.
I know of 2 dealers, each with about 10 years of experience, that are capable of hitting numbers about 1/3 times.
Remember to tip your dealer. We are more than happpy to give away the casino's money if you help us too.
If you are cheap asshole, don't be surprised when they change out dealers on you. All of a sudden your numbers stop hitting, (anything you play will stop hitting).
Interesting note, The board ( the display of the numbers that have come up in the last 10-15 spins) is ranked the biggest improvement in gambling technology in 20 years by most casinoes.
"Oh, number is going to hit next"
Suckers love flashing, colorful lights. (Slots fall here too)
The roulette table has no memory, each spin is a new event.
Oh, the stories I could tell after only 6 monthes, I really have a bad out look on the human race as whole from these experiences.
It is fun to play a game that you are statically stacked to win for 8 hours a day! If I don't like you , I take your money.
May I please have my frontal lobotomy if I bring back the ashtrays?
I hear MIT people and other college students do this almot every year. The Learning Channel had a documentary about another MIT group that did this.
If I wear a MIT logo to a 21 table, will I be quickly expelled?
That incident was a huge shakeup for the gambling industry, mostly cause it was their biggest threat to a industry that makes its money by cheating you out of it one way or another.
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I think you may have misunderstood his comment.
Many casinos run games like poker, where you play against the other *players*, not the house. The house still wins, because they take a rake off the top. The players (in aggregate) still lose, because the house ends up with more money than it started with...
However, any individual player can consistently win, and Vegas doesn't care - he's taking money from other players, not the house.
(That said, there are some slots that give >100% return. Just not many.)
I believe there are certain Video Poker machines which have a tiny edge on the casino as well. Since Video Poker machines are required to be a random distribution of cards, the pay table (how much each hand is worth) determines how good/bad a machine is, rather than the machine's internal settings. Most are terrible, but there are a few that can have a positive expectation, given perfect play (knowing the right choice to make for every hand). Even then, the casino is counting on the fact that few if any players will be able to approach perfect play close enough to gain the positive edge. I started playing this instead of Blackjack because they will let you consult your strategy chart while you are playing. Plus, the dealer can't reshuffle the deck if the count gets good.
Actually, outside bets have a slightly lower house edge than all other bets on a European Roulette table, because if 0 comes in you back half of your outside-stake bet. So you have 18/37 chance of losing your bet, 18/37 chance of doubling your bet, and 1/37 chance of losing half of your bet. I think that halves the house edge. If they returned your entire bet, then the game would be even. But of course they won't do that. ;) I have never played at an American casino, so I don't know if similar rules apply there.
Regardless of odds and house edges, the casinos do tend to have another advantage: overall, they usually have more money than the players. Generally in a gambling game, if either party runs out of money the game must stop. Since the casino has so much more money than the average punter, there's a much higher probability that the punter will run out of money first, regardless of the specific odds and house edge (if any) of the game.
Hi there folks Roulette Computers are legal in most parts of the world! They are of course illegal in Nevada, NJ and California due to the exploits of the team in the 1980's which was well documented in > 'The Eudeamonic Pie; By Thomas A Bass, an excellent read by the way! Roulette Computer History goes way back to 1955 when the first WEARABLE Computer was proposed for beating the game of Roulette by Edward O Thorp(Author of Beat the Dealer) and Claude Shannon( The guy responsible for communications Protocol, without him the internet would not exist). A Analogue device was constructed in 1966, but failed practically because of the limitation of the hardware. URL Also around the same time, Russian Teams were developing Roulette computers, some of them gaining around 20% advantage consistantly. Then the 'Eudeamonic Pie' was set up, a team of ambitious young scientists, electronic buffs, programmers, mathematicians to create the ulternate dream, a computer that could predict the outcome of the game before the ball lands! http://www.thomasbass.com/work2.htm Heres another team that did it in the early 1980's> http://nowscape.com/blk/roul/index.html Later the software of the Eudaemonic Pie was found to have a small bug in the code which had caused the Kim Computer to behave badly and not return the correct predictions. The Code was later taken over by Fred Britain and Laurence Scott ( Visual Ballistics using only your eyesight) and revamped and set nito a block of resin, now called Copernicus, this gadget had a massive edge on the old style wheels with deep pockets which created hardly no scatter! Eventually it had its days, with only a handful of units around, some selling for $20,000 dollars a time, its History came to an abrupt end whith the introduction of modern wheels with shallower pockets, Casinos setting their wheels level and checking for titled wheels. All othe casinos were wise to the fact that tilted wheels were enabling these Roulette Computers to gain a massive edge and for the Roulette Computer operator to set up pretty quickly. We then had Newton Roulette appear in London, selling their system on a Compaq PDA, although the system never actually worked, they fizzled in just over 6 months. Who am I, I am the owner of 'Phophecy', now in my 20th Year of Research And Development of Roulette Prediction Software and Roulette Computers! I have taken it to new heights, I can play within around 4 spins on ALL wheels, play level, tilted, continuous ball changes, alternate and sporadic with different Croupiers and still obtain an edge of around 100% on the exact number( On average I will hit 1 in 18 on the exact number), or chosing one of my Sector playing programs, between 40%-70% on a sector! Anyone wanting the Roulette Mathematics can obtain it for free at my site and build their own Roulette Computer if they wish! I am Proud to be a NERD! Regards Mark Anthony Howe http://predictroulette.com/
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