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Google Plans Free VoIP In the UK

jarich writes "According to this news article, Google may be preparing to offer free Voice Over IP telephone service in the UK. This sounds related to a previous Slashdot article about Google starting to buy dark fiber. So what are they planning? A free service like Skype (computer to computer only) or more along the lines of Lingo or Vonage?"

226 comments

  1. Thinking really hard here by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Why would they do that?

    "Do no evil" does not also mean "Do stupid".

    1. Re:Thinking really hard here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so that they can add a "call me" button to search results.

    2. Re:Thinking really hard here by ejdmoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      They're going to voice scan your calls and every 5 minutes there will be an interruption by a commercial.

      "Hey Bob, how's that car working for ya'?"

      *beep beep*

      "Come on down to Steve's auto extravaganza!!! We will NOT be oversold!"

    3. Re:Thinking really hard here by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Informative
      hey're going to voice scan your calls and every 5 minutes there will be an interruption by a commercial.

      In TFA "a free telephone service that links users via a broadband internet connection using a headset and home computer." So they would surely display ads while you're making the call. Even conceivably targetted from speech recognition, but that's a long shot and likely to spook people.

    4. Re:Thinking really hard here by bain_online · · Score: 1
      you mean

      "*beep beep* *Sponsered voice message* "Come on down to Steve's auto extravaganza!!! We will NOT be oversold!"

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    5. Re:Thinking really hard here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right now (most) everyone likes google. They have a very clean design and searches are fast as hell. They are also a publicly held company with investors who want to make money (strange). So it isn't a far stretch of the imagination to think they might try to glean personal information from its users. Has everyone forgoten about them doing this with they're gmail? If people have, then score one up for google and one down for the aclu types. Just don't talk shit about them in the future over the phone ha ha ha.

    6. Re:Thinking really hard here by adlj · · Score: 2, Funny

      yes, kind of I'm talking with my GirlFriend, and five seconds after I say "Of course I love you" a popup with a dating website appears on my screen... :-(

    7. Re:Thinking really hard here by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 2, Funny

      yes, kind of I'm talking with my GirlFriend, and five seconds after I say "Of course I love you" a popup with a dating website appears on my screen... :-( I'd be impressed if a voice recognition scheme would be able to detect the insincerity that well ;-) A more likely suggestion would be a bunch of ads for places to buy flowers, chocolate, rings and other things women need so much more than us men...

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    8. Re:Thinking really hard here by ysegalov · · Score: 0

      They don't even need ads. Just like with gmail, the connection between users (who sends email/calls who, how often) and the data mining they could do on this meta-data could be worth a fortune.

    9. Re:Thinking really hard here by passthecrackpipe · · Score: 1

      I don't think they will - the article is full on conjecture, and delivers no hard facts - it all seems based on some guy at Ovum (a bunch hyperbole generators) saying "Now that would be cool"

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    10. Re:Thinking really hard here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just as extra info, Google is also advertising for a ACD/IVR Telecom Administrator, for their european headquaters in dublin.

    11. Re:Thinking really hard here by fubar1971 · · Score: 1

      "...but that's a long shot and likely to spook people."

      I don't see that as a long shot at all, and it most likely will not spook the average computer users away.

      Think about it. Google right now is working on searching video over the Internet. It would not be to far from possible to believe that part of that search capability would include audio and voice recognition. Why not incorporate that into a phone service that uses your PC, so they can display ads. Google seems to be the master of displaying non-intrusive ads. Most average users don't even notice a google ad as an ad.

      I can also see Google offering voice search and conversation lists kind of like gmail does for your email. Think of it kind of like a searcheable answering machine on the web. Of course, these are all of my assumptions, and you know what happens when you ASS-U-ME.

    12. Re:Thinking really hard here by mwood · · Score: 1

      They probably reserve the right to archive the bitstreams and let everyone in the world search them. :-)

    13. Re:Thinking really hard here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean "...We will NOT be UNDERsold!"

      which implies another seller offering the auto at a LOWER cost.

      Regards,
      YASC (Yet Another Slashdot Grammarcop)

    14. Re:Thinking really hard here by dleib · · Score: 1
      There is supporting evidence however weak it may be.

      From http://pulverblog.pulver.com/archives/001624.html

      January 24, 2005

      Google and VoIP...

      According to news reports I read today, Google seems to be playing it cool regarding the recent rumors associated with a possible VoIP play.

      A quick check at the Spring 2005 VON delegate database shows that a number of Google executives in fact will be joining us in San Jose in March.

      Maybe Google is 'just interested' in VoIP. I suspect there may be something more to this. :-)

      Posted by jeff at January 24, 2005 11:13 AM

  2. Skype is not computer to computer only by Nermal6693 · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can also call a regular phone with Skype. It's not free, but you can do it.

    1. Re:Skype is not computer to computer only by rokzy · · Score: 1

      is Skype the best? what are the alternatives (UK)? any advice appreciated.

    2. Re:Skype is not computer to computer only by arivanov · · Score: 4, Informative

      Two dedicated VOIP operators - Gossip Telecom and one more which specializes in businesses and offers IP Centrex style solutions (fully outsourced VOIP PBX). These are dependant on your link so your mileage is likely to vary.
      Also at least some ISPs have started offering VOIP as an addon at a minimal cost. Once again, mileage will vary except possibly Nildram. Speaking out of experience (done some measurements on their network and have a non-UK VOIP phone on it): they have nearly 0% packet loss (around 0.01% which is the loss from DSL) and under 3ms jitter. Even the shitties VOIP implementation just works. Of course this does not come out of the blue. They charge you 25 monthly for a static IP with the relevant services attached while the industry average is around 23.

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    3. Re:Skype is not computer to computer only by __aailob1448 · · Score: 1

      It offers the best sound quality, yes. And it uses very little bandwidth (1.5 to 5 KBps). If you're talking prices, then I don't know.

    4. Re:Skype is not computer to computer only by Cato · · Score: 1

      That's Gossiptel for those Googling. Also, http://andyabramson.blogs.com/voipwatch/2004/10/uk _voip_player.html has a set of links to UK VoIP companies in one of the comments.

    5. Re:Skype is not computer to computer only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    6. Re:Skype is not computer to computer only by terminal.dk · · Score: 1

      Skype is Computer to something. VoIP / SIP is phone to phone (or computer if you want).

      The standard protocol is SIP, and there is a multitude of SIP phones and adapters available (allows you to use old phones). This allows you to use IP telephony even with the computer turned off, and you can also get real phone numbers so you can get rid of the POTS/ISDN phone and do it all over broadband.

      The Skype phones you can buy all requires a POTS telephone line if they are to be used with the computer turned off. So they suck and are NOT an alternative to the traditional phone like SIP.

      Here in Denmark there are 5 providers or so, and we are only 5 mio people.

    7. Re:Skype is not computer to computer only by tobybuk · · Score: 1

      I seriously doubt that a 3Ms Jitter buffer is possible. How are you measuring this? If it's by ear then please remember it is impossible to measure 3Ms.

      The work I do with VoIP we struggle to get 15 Ms.

    8. Re:Skype is not computer to computer only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does this mean that there's finally a way for a consumer to get a static IP for cheap? Yes, some ISPs do offer the option or even the default right now, but in some areas your only consumer-priced option is a NATted dynamic IP.

    9. Re:Skype is not computer to computer only by batemanm · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I seriously doubt that a 3Ms Jitter buffer is possible.

      Of course it is. The way to deal with jitter is to buffer the incoming packets and play them back at a uniformed rate. As long as you can keep the end-to-end delay below about 150 ms it won't be noticed by people, below 250 ms there is a slight delay and over 250 ms is classed as unaccetpable. Unfortunetly in VoIP delay times at routers can eat up a lot of this time. There are lots of papers on how to deal with jitter but if your jitter is only 3 ms there is no point in doing anything about it.

      If it's by ear then please remember it is impossible to measure 3Ms.

      If you are talking by ear upto 40 ms jitter is not noticiable by people, between 40 and 75 is classed as good quality but with occasional delays while over 75 ms be unacceptable. This is according to the ITU.

      The work I do with VoIP we struggle to get 15 Ms.

      Megaseconds? Sounds like a pretty duff system to me. But 15 ms jitter should be fine for the human perception system and shouldn't be noticed.

    10. Re:Skype is not computer to computer only by arivanov · · Score: 1

      Not by ear.

      Standard RTP jitter using proper testing gear measured during evening hours (residential peak time).

      90% 3ms or under. Did not try to fit it to poisson, but it did look like a pretty good fit. The upward hump which you see on congested networks was definitely missing. Basically no congestion, equipment based jitter only.

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  3. Kind of restrictive... by stever00t · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's a 32 word limit per call.

    1. Re:Kind of restrictive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thank you! I had no idea google had raised its word limit :)

    2. Re:Kind of restrictive... by MoogMan · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Yeah, and an operator will cut in every five minutes giving you advertising relevant to your conversation :p

    3. Re:Kind of restrictive... by dotwaffle · · Score: 1

      You joke about this kind of thing, the first question my father asked when I told him about Asterisk and VoIP was "but we'll have to change it all when we all go onto this IPv6 thing you told me about". Parents! Why don't they understand the OSI model! :)

  4. Endgame by locokamil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Once again, I find myself wondering what Google's endgame is. Are they going to remain at the forefront of search technology, or are they going to attempt to orchestrate an M$ style invasion of our lives?

    1. Re:Endgame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wonder the same thing!

      Such is the problem of being a public company - constant pressure to be a jack of all trades and master of none. Expansion, expansion, expansion. Diversify! Must make more profit for greedy stock holders.

      IMO, companies should only sell their stock to employees. Not that I've thought about it much. I just wish companies could be left to do what they do well, instead of being forced to keep trying to rule the world.

    2. Re:Endgame by ScentCone · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Oh, come on. Besides, just about all we hear on slashdot are people who would only be happy if everything, in every form, was operating on Linux, making slashdotters the new priesthood.

      Every growing company isn't evil. Every dollar earned isn't corrupt. When two people form a partnership, is that bad? How about when two hundred form a company, or two thousand form a corporation? Lots of chat here about the importance of scalability - just not when it comes to farsighted or well-run groups of people serving a market.

      Go Google. And go all the Windows users, too, who will keep on using it, and make phone calls, too, apparently.

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    3. Re:Endgame by locokamil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd be happy about Google diversifying if I knew that their core competencies were not being compromised. But from what I hear from inside Camp Google, people are being stretched too far, too fast, and search, although important, is taking a backseat to rapid (and often not very well thought out) expansion. That worries me... and it should worry you too, because rapid expansion into everything results in buggy products that promise the world, but in the end crash every 20 minutes or so. Like MS products.

    4. Re:Endgame by locokamil · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Haha, this is the first time i've been trolled. And i wasn't even trying to be offensive.

    5. Re:Endgame by seanadams.com · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Once again, I find myself wondering what Google's endgame is.

      Great businesses don't have "endgames". Microsoft has no "endgame" - their goal is to have all the money. It's not something you can ever finish, but that doesn't mean you can't make it your goal.

      Google's goal seems to be having ALL the information. There's a hell of a lot of info on the phone lines so it makes sense to go there once you've got a handle on the web.

    6. Re:Endgame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, companies grow they don't remain the same size.

      If companies stayed the same size forever, we'd still only have 2 person bakeries, and one person car repair places. And of course 1 person drug cartels.

      Who cares if google's search starts to suck, its about time for a new revolution in the search space.... GO MSN!!!

      Microsoft really has a winner with the new search beats, and ohh search clustering makes me swoon.

    7. Re:Endgame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course Google is a front for the NSA! It all makes perfect sense.

      NO CARRIER

    8. Re:Endgame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    9. Re:Endgame by locokamil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It seems to me that Google's business model revolves around (gross oversimplification follows) simply throwing out targetted advertisements when they hear a keyword.

      I can't see how a phone based system can rely on that business model. As many of the more comical posts on this article have pointed out, a third party interrupting a phone conversation with an ad about some product or the other is... well... annoying. No one is going to use such a service.

      What it all boils down to is that Google is trying to diversify into areas where it has little or no chance of making money in. While it does so, it is going to ignore what its good at... and lose its search muscle to MSN or Yahoo. And while this speaks highly of the market economy, it doesn't really promote the idea that Google is run by highly intelligent people.

    10. Re:Endgame by starm_ · · Score: 1

      You made me go check out search.msn.com God is it ever similar to Google.

    11. Re:Endgame by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      well.. they got no clue as what to do.

      so they're hiring zillions of smart people and put them into rooms to come up with something, anything.

      though, maybe they forgot that they should tell them to come up with ideas that could lead into them getting cash in the end... it's easy to come up with service ideas - not so easy to make them profitable.

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    12. Re:Endgame by LaundroMat · · Score: 1

      Something like this has already been done and failed miserably. Back in the days where phoning through a fixed line still cost a lot, there were companies providing free calls with frequent commercial interruptions. It just didn't work, as it annoyed people endlessly.

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    13. Re:Endgame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something like this has already been done and failed miserably. Back in the days where phoning through a fixed line still cost a lot, there were companies providing free calls with frequent commercial interruptions. It just didn't work, as it annoyed people endlessly.

      Search engines were already done and failed miserably. Back in the days when getting on the net was slow and expensive, there were companies providing free portals filled with useless ads and promotional interruptions. It just didn't work, as it annoyed people endlessly.

    14. Re:Endgame by MMMDI · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There used to be one that used advertisements to support the service of free long distance... Freeway, I believe the name was (but don't quote me on that). I used it quite often as an alternative to buying numerous phone cards every week, and never had a problem with it.

      Basically, it worked out like this: Dial a 1-800 number, put in your personal pin number, listen to a fifteen-second ad. You just earned two minutes. Push # to hear another ad (for another two minutes), or * to make your call. There was no limit to the amount of ads you could listen to, so you could (and I did) just keep pushing the button to rack up an hours worth of time before making the call. There were no ads played during the call, no interruptions, nada.

      Of course, it really sucked when you built up a fair amount of time, only to dial a wrong number or find out that the person you're calling wasn't home.

    15. Re:Endgame by HuguesT · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Replace endgame with "vision" or business plan.

      MS has a vision (windows everywhere) and a business plan (own the O/S everywhere from cell phones to supercomputers, crush everybody that disagrees, leverage O/S dominance to applications).

      You don't see MS diversifying into airlines, insurance, manufacturing, automobiles and whatnot.

      The question is: what is Google up to? Are they on a collision course with Microsoft in the short term ?

      In the last few months they have been putting out products for the windows platform only: hard disk search tools, image indexing tools, etc.

      To me this means that Google is getting less interested in the search business. Are they going to turn into some run-of-the-mill software house for the windows platform only or are they up to something else?

    16. Re:Endgame by davesag · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's a bit like wondering, "but what if deep down google really is evil." Google claim their ethos i to do no evil, but if I were truly evil, and out to do as much evil as i could - a genuine evil-doer in fact, the first thing I'd tell people is I am devoted to not doing evil. So Google's very prominent "we are not evil" claim is truly the first evidence that they are in fact as evil as Hitler.

      If google are evil then their endgame still just is as murky as if they are benign. I mean say you are google - what do you want this to be? is google going to announce google currency, google implants a google health care system? the google army? "google squad". With luck google will become OCP. Good business is where they find it.

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    17. Re:Endgame by Datasage · · Score: 1

      http://www.broom.org/epic/

      Epic is on persons idea of googles endgame. What is epic? Watch the short film at the above link.

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    18. Re:Endgame by secretsquirel · · Score: 0

      I concur, it makes so much fucking sense it almost has to be true. They could have complete control over the access of insanely vast amounts of information, not to mention a pretty good pchycological profile of about everyone anywhere based on search and browsing history, plus the resources and know-how to use it. But hey, it's still a great search engine!

    19. Re:Endgame by batemanm · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Google claim their ethos i to do no evil

      I always had problems with that statement since it is meaningless since evil is undefined. They may think nothing they do is evil but other will disagree. For example I eat meat so to some people I'm an evil cow killer. To me isn't wasn't a bad thing it was just lunch. It is all just a matter of your viewpoint.

    20. Re:Endgame by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      an M$ style invasion of our lives

      You make that sound like it's a bad thing.

      (and off he goes, skipping jauntily away on the green meadows of his WinXP desktop...)

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    21. Re:Endgame by trifster · · Score: 1

      Sean is on point. The goal of any business is to make money. The market data shows thei VOIP stuff to explode. All businesses should be exploiting every opertunity to grow, espically the small/new ones like Google.

    22. Re:Endgame by Torontoman · · Score: 1

      It has been very interesting watching how they unfold and steer the company as it is now a public entity with lotsa cash. Maybe (likely) people are watching them closer now but they seem to be doing some very interesting things to corner the next 'killer app' area - to compliment their search engine, gmail, desktop search, now free phone calls. I find this *Very* interesting - and revolutionary the way M$ was back in the day.

    23. Re:Endgame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IMO, companies should only sell their stock to employees.

      I'll bet you were one of those bitching when hundreds of Enron employees saw their stock fall to nothing.

      I make money with my investments BECAUSE the investments are DIVERSIFIED. How could anyone diversify if you couldn't buy stock in companies other than your own????????

      What a moron!

    24. Re:Endgame by NardofDoom · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure Goole's goal is to have all the money, too. In fact, I think most corporations want all the money.

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    25. Re:Endgame by fubar1971 · · Score: 1

      I find myself wondering what Google's endgame is.

      It looks like Googles end game, is to make it easily available for all people to search any and allinformation. Not just the Web. If Google can simplify my life by making information more available, without forcing upon me outrageous EULA's and licensing fees, then let them invade my life.

    26. Re:Endgame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

    27. Re:Endgame by MarkRose · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but that's still a big nussance when you can get long-distance as cheap as 25 cents a call to anywhere in the US and Canada. Yes, you can talk for hours, and it's only two-bits per call. No limit. A friend and I have this.

      http://www.wintel.ca/ldplans/index.htm

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    28. Re:Endgame by fubar1971 · · Score: 1

      I can't see how a phone based system can rely on that business model. As many of the more comical posts on this article have pointed out, a third party interrupting a phone conversation with an ad about some product or the other is... well... annoying.

      How about this instead:

      1.) You call someone that is using google's voice service.
      2.) There not home, so you go to their voicemail and leave a message.
      3.) Your friend checks his voicemail messages via a Google web interface.
      4.) Based upon the conversations recorded in your voicemail, the web interface displays google text ads.
      5.) Your friend listen to voicemail over the web
      6.) Google makes money off of ads displayed when people go and check their voicemail.
      7.) Google has premium service for monthly cahrge that does not include ads.

      If I was Google, that is why I would want to get into the business. Think of it like gmail, but for voice.

    29. Re:Endgame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Some say that the truely evil lack the ability to understand that they are evil.
      I told you once that I was searching for the nature of evil. I think I've come close to defining it: a lack of empathy. It's the one characteristic that connects all the defendants. A genuine incapacity to feel with their fellow man. Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy."

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    30. Re:Endgame by fubar1971 · · Score: 1

      Why is everyone thinking that Google is going to force audio based ads on there users. I would think that everyone that RTFA noticed that a PC is going to be required. Think about it. There are so many different ways for Google to push their text based ads to your PC, that voice ads are most likely never going to happen.

      IMHO, it seems that Google is trying to make ALL information searchable for everyone. In order to accomplish that, they need to earn money. In order to earn money, they are looking for new ways to not only search information, but also new ways to get end users to view their ads. If they can get you to use there services (i.e. search, email, blog, news groups, etc.), then they can get you to view there ads. If they require you to use your PC for any part of the VoIP service, then that is one more Google page that will get loaded on your PC pushing Google ads.

    31. Re:Endgame by maxpuppy · · Score: 0
      To me this means that Google is getting less interested in the search business.

      Google is in the business of selling ad space!

    32. Re:Endgame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      o me this means that Google is getting less interested in the search business. Are they going to turn into some run-of-the-mill software house for the windows platform only or are they up to something else?

      No, it's still all about search. But by doing a breadth-first invasion of various areas, covering the most popular OS platform first, they scare smaller opponents out of all these areas. In the second round they can fortify their position, publishing their tools also for less popular platforms.

      The thing that makes it scary is the power they gain by linking what they (and only they) have access to: imagine you do a search over your desktop and are deslighted that you also get related Web results in addition to the files on your desktop. But the downside is that in order to do that, your potentially confidential LOCAL search is also transmitted to Google ("Oh, don't worry, we're not evil!"), stored forever and can be used against you at any time.

    33. Re:Endgame by sketerpot · · Score: 1

      My guess is that if Google goes into the VoIP business, they will have some voice-recognition software recording conversations and you can search through the transcripts on the web. No more forgetting those long and complicated directions to Aunt Hattie's place that she gave you over the phone---just look up the conversation on Google. When you're doing that, Google can add in their targeted text ads and relevant links as usual. That would be pretty cool; I'd use it.

    34. Re:Endgame by twoshortplanks · · Score: 1
      You don't see MS diversifying into airlines...
      No, but Expedia is owned by Microsoft.
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    35. Re:Endgame by grazzy · · Score: 1

      And free because of all the financial "backing" from CIA/FBI/whatever.

    36. Re:Endgame by MMMDI · · Score: 1

      Indeed, Freeway wouldn't be such a good plan now, considering you can get a plan like you mentioned or a decades worth of phone card time for $10 at your local convenience store. However, back when Freeway started up (it went national in late '98 / early '99), it was quite the good deal for a poor high school kid such as myself.

    37. Re:Endgame by s.fontinalis · · Score: 1

      Expedia was owned by Microsoft but is now owned by IAC/InterActive Corp.

    38. Re:Endgame by Damana+Mathos · · Score: 1

      >I can't see how a phone based system can rely on >that business model. Here's how. You don't interrupt phone calls when people are on the phone - people wouldn't stand for that. What it lets you do, however, is allow advertisers to buy "pay per call" advertising in search results. Here's how I picture it working -- you decide to go out to an Italian restaurant and want to go to somewhere near Marina Del Rey, California. You pop open the Google site (or Google Local), put in "italian restaurants" in "Marina Del Rey", and it gives you a list of restaurants in the area with their location on the map. It shows some "sponsored links" too that have a phone number you can click, and by doing so it seamlessly places your call through using their VOIP network. You as a consumer pay nothing for this, but the business doing the advertising does. Google Local would also show you the driving directions to your location, traffic conditions, and any other information you might need. Perhaps this is where their recent acquisition of Keyhole fits in too. If this is their plan, then I think it makes sense. It fits their existing advertising model while recognising that many businesses right now are better equipped to handle phone calls than emails. I've found this especially true for most restaurants and the like, anyway. :)

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  5. Possible Google Plan... by madstork2000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder if this is a step towards making VoIP basically a free tool, much like the web is today. It would be interesting if Google or another
    VoIP provider go to an advertising model to support free VoIP.

    I think it would be interesting to have ads while a call is being connected (i.e. ringing). It seems like they could pipe audio ads down the wire during the inevitable pause while the system tries to track down a cell phone, or the long distance call is being routed...

    A company like Google could also put a phone front end on to the search engine, I'm thinking along the lines of directory assistance, but instead of limiting info to just addresses / phones numbers, the Google directory assistance would search the internet and speak the results (and a few related ads) over the phone.

    They might even have the CPU power to do adequate speech recognotion. All told it is pretty easy to imagine a system taking adavtage of the newest phones, with enhanced SMS, web interfaces, along with a voice interface. It would also be cool if you could specify where you want your search result output to go. Maybe if they had VoIP and some type of phone based interafce you could have your results displayed on your phone, pda or spoken. With a viable VoIP perhaps you could have the results faxed to you at a hotel. I'd also like to see the option of having the results emailed.

    All told these relatively small technical advancements, would be large strides in making Google even more ubiqutious. Non-computer users and casual users would have another resource to get and retrieve information in the "real-world".

    I just wish I was smart enough to get a job with them . . .

    1. Re:Possible Google Plan... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't understand why everybody thinks Google is going to offer telephone service. They haven't said anything that would give that impression, and AFAIK nobody has any information linking Google with VOIP at all! Everybody is just extrapolating because they are making a high-capacity global network. Isn't it possible that Google might want a high-capacity global network for a different reason? They are a network company after all! Let's not jump to conclusions here.

    2. Re:Possible Google Plan... by rokzy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      adverts while ringing seems very crude, plus unreliable for the advertiser since you're only guarateed a couple of seconds. unless there's forced waiting, in which the whole thing completely stinks and would, imo, mark the beginning of the end of Google if they need to resort to such a disgusting interface (their fame being from their excellent interface in the beginning).

    3. Re:Possible Google Plan... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I just wish I was smart enough to get a job with them

      I think you mean, "I just wish I were smart enough to get a job with them" ;)

    4. Re:Possible Google Plan... by hyu · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think it would be interesting to have ads while a call is being connected (i.e. ringing). It seems like they could pipe audio ads down the wire during the inevitable pause while the system tries to track down a cell phone, or the long distance call is being routed...

      There's already a few places that have services like that in place. In Ottawa, Canada, there's a service called CHUM Total Free Call. You dial a number, connect to their server, and they play an ad for you. At the end of the ad, you're given a dialtone and told to enter the phone number you wish to call. The benefit is that you can call anyone within the local area code at no cost. It's particularly beneficial in the rural areas that have some strange local and long distance zones.

      I'm not sure how well they're doing, though, since some of the ads made very little sense. There was one for an ISP that provided service for a monthly fee of $2.95 CAD. I can't imagine they were paying very much for the airtime given that price. However, with Google's repetoire of sponsors, they could probably do quite well for themselves.

    5. Re:Possible Google Plan... by subtropolis · · Score: 1

      all that aside...

      I think it would be interesting to have ads while a call is being connected (i.e. ringing). It seems like they could pipe audio ads down the wire during the inevitable pause while the system tries to track down a cell phone, or the long distance call is being routed...

      Which creates a motive to make sure your call doesn't get through too quickly. I think that would get sucky real quick.

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    6. Re:Possible Google Plan... by jshriverWVU · · Score: 1

      I think this is a great idea... personally I'd rather settle for a 15 second sound byte while the call is being made (for free) than pay a ton per minute. With VoIP you could make international calls.... so for my friend in Sweden, heck yeah 15 seconds for an hour of talk is worth it. A lot cheaper than the current setup. Let alone smaller calls like within the US, etc...

    7. Re:Possible Google Plan... by Seumas · · Score: 1

      He'd like to be employed with them now which indicates a present tense need for intelligence. Likely, he meant:

      "I wish I are smart enough to get a job with them"

      Or...

      "I wish I is smart enough to get a job with them".

    8. Re:Possible Google Plan... by ForestGrump · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be surprised if Google has the processing capabilty to be able to process speech.

      I remember a few years ago, I was digging through google's lab pages and found some expiremental things they were doing.
      One of them was to call into one of their office numbers and you would be connected to a server. Say your thing and it would do a search for you.

      Grump

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    9. Re:Possible Google Plan... by notthe9 · · Score: 1

      They might even have the CPU power to do adequate speech recognotion.

      They have one major thing going for them there: the speech recognition can be crappy, there are still plenty of ads.

    10. Re:Possible Google Plan... by blowdart · · Score: 1
      Isn't it possible that Google might want a high-capacity global network for a different reason?

      I can think of at least one other option. Think about their current back end, and those nice servers that serve up cached pages. Now think about how freeking expensive Akamai is ...

    11. Re:Possible Google Plan... by tod_miller · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree, I know there is advertising in this...

      But I think google will not even have ads on thier VoIP, they are thinking bigger:

      Companies pay for a 'click to call' link on the web? Perhaps they have this idea...

      Just to make this a well rounded /. response, what is the state of free VoIP sex lines, and when will we have star wars type communications on earth? Holographics-over-ip anyone?

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    12. Re:Possible Google Plan... by caino59 · · Score: 0

      mod parent up

    13. Re:Possible Google Plan... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called the subjunctive. Learn it, love it, live it.

    14. Re:Possible Google Plan... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      So you think this might be about a speech based search interface? Or the ability to search through recordings of phone calls? I'm sure there are some government agencies that would be very interested in such a technology.

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    15. Re:Possible Google Plan... by ForestGrump · · Score: 1

      Somebody mentioned directory service. I wouldn't be surprised. 411 and google is doing dir service.

      They already have local search capabilities, reverse lookup by phone number. So the info is there and the voice implementaion (if they have done previous homework with the phone in search) should be a whiz to do.

      As for searching through recorded phone calls, I believe it is an invation of one's privacy ot do so. I consider my phone calls to be private matter. Under the most extreme of circumstances should the police be able to listen in on my calls (such as if I was dating a girl who's father was a drug lord or something. But I'm not so nothing to worry about right...hopefully)

      However, I wouldn't be surprised if the government is listening in on phone calls for keywords (TERRORIST BOMB NUCLEAR BOSTON ASSINATE BUSH SHRUB OIL IRAQ IRAN NORTH KOREA CHOKE ON PRETZEL)

      And if the gov was, then google would just have to let them comply. It would probably be something implemnted so that only a few high level engineers would know about (and none the wiser...)

      *****really ranting now*****

      Its already possible easily search through all instant messages in real time, or logs of. I sure hope nobody is doing it (because the things I say)

      Here is an open letter to president bush.

      Dear President Oily Shrub
      If you want the Iraq elections to be a "success" in your book...(and failrure to the international community). try to avoid attacking iran in the meantime. its just bad PR and scares people off
      -a concerned citizen who didnt vote for you

      I say stuff like that all the time. I have a friend who tells me I should be the next morning talk show or something.

      *******end rant******

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    16. Re:Possible Google Plan... by grcumb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "But I think google will not even have ads on thier VoIP, they are thinking bigger:"

      Or, they're thinking simpler. What do you do when you're talking on your home phone? You idle the time away, gazing abstractedly around you.

      I worked for a VOIP company who shall remain nameless. In that time, our business unit beta-tested a VOIP handset that had a fairly functional web interface built into it. The early versions had monochrome display, but the newer ones had colour. They were fed by standard CGI scripts.

      It's fairly easy these days to do text to speech, and with a display on the handset, you could be served up text ads as you talk. They would be about as unobtrusive as their current set of web ads are, and people would be getting their phone calls - anywhere in the world - for free.

      If that's not a viable business model, I don't know what is.

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    17. Re:Possible Google Plan... by mjtg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here's my theory of what Google is planning. Its not related to the telephony thing, so sorry if its off-topic.

      At the moment, Microsoft dominates consumer computing. Why ? Because the desktop is the computer, and Microsoft owns the desktop.

      Remember the Sun catchphrase, "the network is the computer" ? Sun's plan was to replace fat desktops with thin clients connected to their servers, and thus rule the world. It didn't work for a number of reasons - Sun was not powerful enough, they couldn't convince enough people to see their vision, the network infrastructure wasn't there, their servers couldn't provide all the functionality of a PC.

      Now look at Google. They probably have the best server infrastructure in the world. They are constantly providing new cool services on those servers. They currently provide enough diskspace to store all your email; perhaps soon they'll provide enough disk so you can store all your info on their servers. Now, if they can put in place the network infrastructure to provide fast access between the user and the servers, then the Sun dream starts to become a reality.

      So, Google provides a complete thin desktop solution. You don't need your crash-prone virus-magnet fat client PC anymore. Google will store (and back up) all your data, provide all the software you need, and you can access it from anywhere in the world.

      The network becomes the computer. Google owns the network. So, Google owns consumer computing.

      Google wins. Microsoft loses.

      Well, its just a theory. Let's wait and see if Google invests in thin-client technology.

    18. Re:Possible Google Plan... by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

      Thats the stupid thing, 80% of the work is mundane coding/implementing stuff, which doesnt need super iq status, just enough smarts to code as per spec and nicely. The real brains are only needed in the thinktank groups, hiring too many uber egoheaded brainheads is just going to cause more boredem and people leaving if they cant make their own ideas, if any one is that good, would they really work for google? or start their startup?

      Or are google paying 150k?

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    19. Re:Possible Google Plan... by tod_miller · · Score: 1

      but it is speech to text that is interesting... in the VOiP world will they slowly trawl our conversations, find our interests (perhaps not in real time!) and then start serving us ads based no what we say?

      Of course, the gov. is supposed to be able (are they? or is this another urban myth? to real time search for conversations in US phone lines containing terms certain terms... or is that madness?

      So perhaps google can give ads on a display, but I think charging companies to use thier API to allow people to 0800 them (0800 numbers are big business for telcos!).

      I am just watching for some google barcode/rfid stunt... :-/ anyone know of any plans?

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    20. Re:Possible Google Plan... by Torontoman · · Score: 1

      Maybe they want to create a voice index system like Gmail does - keep recordings of all of your conversations for ever. Would be something that could be done conceivably but it'd make the Gmail 1Gig of storage seem very small.

    21. Re:Possible Google Plan... by madstork2000 · · Score: 1

      If it is too slow nobody would use it, and therefore they would not be able to sell ads. So they certainly have an incentive to make it work reasonably well. Perhaps they add a ring or two, perhaps there would be a 5 second minimum connect time. Just long enough to hear "$5 Dollar Large Pizza at Dolly's - press *3 after finishing your call."

    22. Re: Possible Google Plan... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I think it would be interesting to have ads while a call is being connected (i.e. ringing). It seems like they could pipe audio ads down the wire during the inevitable pause while the system tries to track down a cell phone, or the long distance call is being routed...

      Dude, you should patent this idea before they do. (No pun intended.)

      - A friend

  6. fixed link by Devil's+BSD · · Score: 5, Informative

    Someone left a bracket on there, so...
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1454225, 00.html

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  7. Good Link by bluewee · · Score: 0, Redundant
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  8. Alternate article by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 0, Redundant
  9. thats cool, but i wish for canada by mitrick · · Score: 1

    it would be good if they can do a free 2 phone in canada

    1. Re:thats cool, but i wish for canada by eomnimedia · · Score: 1

      They have phones in Canada?

    2. Re:thats cool, but i wish for canada by mitrick · · Score: 1

      yes they do, not google but yes we got bell, telus, rogers, sasktel, and tons of others even vonage.

    3. Re:thats cool, but i wish for canada by Torontoman · · Score: 1

      I just wish for a good old bit of something called competition. Up here damn near everything is priced according to cartels and governments and so nothing is actually competitive or cheap - when it comes to things like cell phones it's a complete cartel. Used to be competitive a bit - the companies found per-second billing was a great item. As was treating every call as local. Turns out the companies all got together and decided to get rid of per second billing and now damn near everything is long distance at 2X the local rate. Stupid. Give me an alternative and/or a real competitor and I'd jump in a second... Wait a minute - since all the cell phone co's are in cahoots there's no number portability up here either so that means a new number which means it's a pain to change carriers...

    4. Re:thats cool, but i wish for canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, next thing you know, you'll have indoor plumbing!

  10. Interesting premise, but.. by perimorph · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...but I'd love to know how they're going to add unobtrusive advertising to a phone conversation.

    1. Re:Interesting premise, but.. by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      The advertising will strictly be for political campaigns and it will all be subliminable.

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    2. Re:Interesting premise, but.. by Torp · · Score: 1

      They'll make it subliminal :)

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    3. Re:Interesting premise, but.. by shish · · Score: 1

      You could have ads played as a ring tone, while you wait for the other end to pick up

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    4. Re:Interesting premise, but.. by anakin876 · · Score: 1

      Easy! With some good voice replication.impersonation technology. Tim: "well bob we were looking at a Dell computer today online" Pseudo Bob:"search www.dell.com for the best deals on computer hardware!" Tim: "Yeah I know Bob, I was there today" Bob: "That wasn't me." Tim: "weird." Pseudobob: "Order Weird Science: Season one from Amazon.com today!" Bob: "what the hell is that?" Google terminates phone call.

  11. Copy of Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    For when the article gets slashdotted -

    Google gears up for a free-phone challenge to BT
    By Elizabeth Judge, Telecoms Correspondent
    GOOGLE revolutionised the internet. Now it is hoping to do the same with our phones.

    The company behind the US-based internet search engine looks set to launch a free telephone service that links users via a broadband internet connection using a headset and home computer.

    The technology that will enable Google to move in on the market has been around for some time. Software by the London-based company, Skype, has been downloaded nearly 54 million times around the world but no large telecommunication firms have properly exploited it.

    BT, which connects seven out of ten British households, has developed its own internet-telephone service. However, the telephone giant, which has the most to lose if the new technology takes off, has been reluctant to promote it heavily.

    Julian Hewitt, senior partner at Ovum, a telecoms consultancy, said: "From a telecoms perspective there is a big appeal in the fact that Google is a search operation -- and of course the Google brand is a huge draw."

    Mr Hewitt said that a Google telephone service could be made to link with the Google search engine, which already conducts half of all internet inquiries made around the world. A surfer looking for a clothes retailer could simply find the web site and click on the screen to speak to the shop.

    The basic cost of making calls across the internet is almost nil. The real cost is in developing the software; after that, the service exploits available internet capacity. However, charging does become necessary to link internet calls with the traditional phone network.

    In addition, the sound quality of calls across the internet can be poor and the connections can be less reliable.

    A recent job advert by Google's on its website calls for a "strategic negotiator" to help the company to provide a "global backbone network" -- a high-capacity international infrastructure.

    By investing in capacity, Google could circumvent the problems of quality and reliability and guarantee better service.

    Although Google is reluctant to talk about its plans, the logical use of such a network would be to help to support a new telephone service. The company would buy capacity cheaply, by taking up slack capacity left behind when the internet bubble collapsed in 2001.

    Around the world, thousands of miles of fibre-optic cable remain unused because the amount of speculative development vastly exceeded demand. Such capacity would be available at rock-bottom prices today.

    Elsewhere in the world, using the internet to make phone calls has caught on more quickly. In Japan 10 per cent of households already use the so-called "voice over internet protocol" and an internet service offered by Softband has 4.4 million subscribers. Its growth has depressed revenues of the local telecom group, NTT.

    In the US, a company called Vonage offers customers unlimited calls each month for as little as $24 (less than £13).

    Big companies and multinationals that make huge numbers of long-distance calls are also increasingly switching to internet calls to try to slash their bills.

    Google, which was founded in 1996, built its business from scratch by offering a fast, reliable and free internet search. It gradually transformed into a highly profitable company by offering commercial services, including sponsored web links.

    Its most up-to-date figures show that, in the first nine months of 2004, Google made a profit of $195 million on revenues of $2.1 billion.

    START OF THE BIG SEARCH
    # Stanford University graduate students Sergey Brin and Larry Page began working on Google's search-engine technology in 1996 when they were in their early twenties

    # They tried to find a buyer for their work but were forced to set up their own company in 1998 because nobody was interested

    # Two years later Google became the bigg

    1. Re:Copy of Article by robdavy · · Score: 1

      It's a national newspaper, I can't see it being slashdotted... (thats like NYT being slashdotted!)

    2. Re:Copy of Article by sethstorm · · Score: 1

      #The company's motto is "Don't Be Evil"

      Given the reputation of the people that have come from Stanford, I doubt that there's any truth to that one. Given that they like to use smoke and mirrors at Stanford, and it's carried over to Google/Google Nexus^W^W Orkut, they're only going to last as long as they can deceive. If they dont get a lesson in true openness, and not the kind that just shows a good face, they will turn evil enough to notice.
      The only reason I see them looking to the UK is that they want to jump regulation, and find a community much like themselves - closed, and arrogant.

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  12. Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone stumbles over each other for the privilege of selling privacy to Google first.

  13. Google plans to take this to the US as well by VeryApt · · Score: 1

    ... except in Nebraska!

    1. Re:Google plans to take this to the US as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why the hell not?

      Corn stalks like to talk to each other.

    2. Re:Google plans to take this to the US as well by Maxiosu · · Score: 1

      you're missing the joke - meet the new slashdot meme http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/24/015721 8&tid=133&tid=109

  14. Parent not a troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, the post itself is not trollish. Whether the parent himself is or not, that's up to the reader.

    But in all seriousness, this is not exactly a straightforward step for Google. Even if they were to set up the service, how will they expect to make money on it? It seems like a pretty nice idea that is going to lose them a significant amount of money in the long run.

    My best guess is that they will eventually sell off their unprofitable VoIP division to Skype or someone else for a fairly large loss.

  15. Google AdSense for VoIP by miaDWZ · · Score: 0

    heh, Google starts to try and do voice recognition and pick up on keywords in your conversation and every few minutes interrupts the call to give you a few ads.

    Caller: "Hey Bill, what are you doing this weekend?"
    Other person: "Oh, not much, probably playing some football with the kids"
    Google: "Did you know at www.sports.com you can get footballs for low low prices?!"
    Caller: "That's great!"

  16. Coral good-link by TheLittleJetson · · Score: 1

    CORAL link for this article.

  17. Wait, lets think about this. by Alazoral · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I greatly doubt that Google is going to offer VoIP. Google is a search company. VoIP so greatly differs from any of their other products, mission statements and plans that its quite obvious that either they aren't going to be offering VoIP, or that the new product will have VoIP as the sideline to something else. And before you say 'Google does communication tools as well, see G-Mail, Groups and so forth', let me remind you that G-Mail's whole concept is the instant searchability of emails, allowing you to store as many as you want without having to spend time organising them. Groups allows you to search intelligently across a decade of Usenet posts. The sending/posting communication aspects are merely natural sidelines. What about Orkut? Lets you search for people, and the links between them. Blogger? Creates easily searchable content. The thing that strikes me about VoIP is that it is entirely unsearchable with present technology. It would require an impossibly accurate voice recognition engine that could dynamically sync with a soundbyte. And it doesn't appear particularly useful either. So, my bet? Either this article is following red herrings, or its not getting the whole story.

    1. Re:Wait, lets think about this. by Meetch · · Score: 1
      Hmmm... I can think of one way. Current voice recognition technology may pick enough words out to make the call indexable (language dependent?) - and helpfully store your voice calls for later perusal. Depends on how much they want to get into your life, and how much you want to let them.

      Nay-sayers, feel free to say nay...

    2. Re:Wait, lets think about this. by cuby · · Score: 1

      with VoIP we can easily merge phone numbers, e-mails, links and so on... it is the diference between icq number and msn e-mail for identification. for enterprises that would be great. fill your memory with links?...its easyer to seach in google.

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    3. Re:Wait, lets think about this. by shepuk · · Score: 1

      > Google is a search company. No, google is an advertising company. The search engine, the free e-mail, the usenet archive... they're all just there to lure you in to read the adverts. Google sells your eyes to advertisers; that's its bottom line.

    4. Re: Wait, lets think about this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > VoIP is that it is entirely unsearchable with present technology.

      Unfortunately I'm not at present allowed to comment on that. Too bad...

  18. Focus? by maelstrom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it just me or is Google getting a little unfocused with too many acquisitions and weird plans like this? How about spending some time on your core business, your google groups "upgrade" was three step backwards.

    Focus.

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    1. Re:Focus? by mikeb39 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can only go so far on as limited a platform as search technology, and Google has done more with it then anyone could have imagined 5 years ago. So, they've got a great stable core (and I don't imagine they will abandon it to work on things like this, development will continue to keep them better then everyone else) and now have the LUXURY of expanding into other markets. Kudos to them for making it work.

    2. Re:Focus? by wamatt · · Score: 1

      OMFG I couldnt agree more. The new groups is a steaming pile of $^#@#. I can't find anything anymore.

      Luckily you can still use the old groups :)

      http://www.google.co.za/grphp?hl=en&tab=wg&q=

      Spread the love...

  19. What Skype is missing though... Skype IN by buro9 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Skype to Skype... fine, cool, fantastic.

    Skype to Phone... fine, cool, fantastic.

    Phone to Skype... missing link.

    Without that last bit there is no incentive for someone to make a move to VOIP on a permanent basis for all of their calls.

    Why? Because you still have to keep a landline or mobile to be able to receive calls from regular phones... and because the cost of making a call to a mobile is prohibitive, it's likely that you keep a bundled (with TV package) landline.

    If the weight Google helps to make this a feature that is developed, then we may start to see a willingness to switch in large numbers a reality.

    As it stands at the moment... my (red neck equiv') mother was impressed, but she just sees it as one more way to do things, and she's very lazy and is still more likely to pick up and dial a regular phone. Show her she doesn't need the landline (by receiving calls, thus 100% functionality) and then there'll be something impressive.

    What has all this to do with Google? Well Skype In as I'll call it... it requires a network, something has to receive calls and store messages for you whilst your computer is off... who's to say context related sound adverts wouldn't be appended to the answer phone service... how would that differ from Gmail advertising?

    Things to think about :)

    1. Re:What Skype is missing though... Skype IN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except when calling overseas. Skype's dirt cheap PC-phone rates with the kick-ass voice quality far offsets the extra pain..

    2. Re:What Skype is missing though... Skype IN by John+Hurliman · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      All of this has been solved, http://www.vonage.com/

    3. Re:What Skype is missing though... Skype IN by fuzheado · · Score: 1

      Skype already has plans for SkypeIn, coming in 2005.

    4. Re:What Skype is missing though... Skype IN by blake182 · · Score: 5, Informative
      There was an interview on Engadget last November with Skype co-founder and CEO Niklas Zennström:

      What is SkypeIn and what are the plans for it?

      SkypeIn will allow phone calls from the traditional phone network in to Skype. We don't have a specific launch date yet, but hope to offer it sometime this winter.

    5. Re:What Skype is missing though... Skype IN by forand · · Score: 1

      While I realize that most of Slashdot doesn't ever leave their computer one must realize that Skype is not in anyway the way in which VoIP will become broadly useful or popular. I am living in Italy right now and we have a phone number for Woodside California USA sitting right next to the router. It can call any real phone in the world. Skype is for people who live at their computer; Vonage, VoicePulse, etc. are for the people who just want to use the phone.

    6. Re:What Skype is missing though... Skype IN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just an observation but I'm amazed at how slowly real useful and usable voip is taking in the states and the UK.
      OK now I'm in france. not usually thought of as the tech capital of the world but for less than 30 EUR a month I have 15 Mbit/s DSL with a router that includes a TV out (free and premium channels) and a phone out. You can plug any standard phone in it and it comes with the usual services like voicemail, call waiting, caller id. The sound quality is excellent and all calls in france are free & unlimited and most international calls are .03 EUR a min. For incoming calls it is treated like a domestic line (you have your choice of numbers).

      The best part is that you don't have to have your computer on 24x7 to take advantage of it.

      I hope google can bring a service like this to the masses. good luck.

  20. Parent not a troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, the post itself is not trollish. Whether the parent himself is or not, that's up to the reader.

    But in all seriousness, this is not exactly a straightforward step for Google. Even if they were to set up the service, how will they expect to make money on it? It seems like a pretty nice idea that is going to lose them a significant amount of money in the long run.

    My best guess is that they will eventually sell off their unprofitable VoIP division to Skype or someone else for a fairly large loss.

  21. Tin Foil Hat by mcrbids · · Score: 1

    TINFOILHAT>

    VOIP is digital, and quite searchable with a text-to-speech converter. What if google wants to make your conversations searchable?

    What if you make defamatory comments about GW? (or whoever is the power-that-be of the day)

    What if they made it searchable, but didn't tell anybody? /TINFOILHAT>

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    1. Re:Tin Foil Hat by Teh_monkeyCode · · Score: 1

      If Google tried to read my conversation with a text-to-speech converter I'd sleep easy ;)

      On a side note, look at the possibilities, if two terrorists were having a conversation, Google could suggest cheap arms depots. Suddenly Larry and Sergey are being frisked over at Guantanamo Bay.

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    2. Re:Tin Foil Hat by Drantin · · Score: 1

      er... text to speech wouldn't help much given that this is digital audio. They'd be using voice recognition...

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    3. Re:Tin Foil Hat by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      No doubt the terrorists would stop speaking in text, if they got word of this.

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    4. Re:Tin Foil Hat by Danimoth · · Score: 1

      The govenment already monitors calls silly, what do you think the NSA does all day?

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    5. Re:Tin Foil Hat by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1
      On a side note, look at the possibilities, if two terrorists were having a conversation, Google could suggest cheap arms depots.

      Exactly - Google Ads in the empty spaces in your phone conversations. (I think there was a company in Sweden, a few years ago, that offered free phone service with an ad when you picked up the phone to make a call.)

      Of course, Google Ads aren't always relevant, given that words can be used in more than one context; you stand a good chance of getting an ad for a laxative full of fib{er,re} when you go to the Ethereal FAQ, courtesy of the list of supported protocols containing the phrase "Fibre Channel" - no guarantees you'll get an Herbal Fiberblend ad, but they do pop up quite often. (The fact that it's called "AIM Herbal Fiberblend" might help, given that AIM is also mentioned in that list.)

    6. Re:Tin Foil Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh! dont take off the hat!

  22. Google is smarter than we all thought.... by dteichman2 · · Score: 1

    Google seems to be getting good at getting into semi-developed industries and dominating the entire field. I can't wait to see what they pull-off. I can only hope that they will eventually bring it to North America.

    Im imagining a Skype-like program that can also recieve calls from landlines (with cheaper rates). Also, the ability to record a conversation and then search a database of them would be interesting (but it would eat space and horsepower).

    Hey! I can dream!

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    1. Re:Google is smarter than we all thought.... by burns210 · · Score: 1

      "Also, the ability to record a conversation and then search a database of them would be interesting (but it would eat space and horsepower)."

      If it translates your conversation into text, and then makes it searchable (log files via Google Desktop Search, I would assume, also maybe an internal log viewer), then it would only be text files. a few dozen KB per conversation once it has been converted. Horsepower, sure, but not harddrive space.

    2. Re:Google is smarter than we all thought.... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      dominating entire field? hmm?

      the whole thing is just speculation - speculation that doesn't even really make any sense when you think about it.

      dark fiber.. hmm. sure, voip would need a lot of bandwith. hmm.. wouldn't that be the problem of the clients for most/all parts? hmm. wouldn't they have more use for that fiber in connecting their datacenters for just their regular stuff? hmm, yes.

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    3. Re:Google is smarter than we all thought.... by Chicane-UK · · Score: 1

      I'm imagining your voice mails being sent to your GMail account - possibly one of the reasons why they give us a whole 1GB of storage?

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  23. How Will Google Apply Search Engine on This? by XChilde · · Score: 1

    All Web based services from Google have Searching functions. I wonder how will Google apply its' search engine to this new VOIP service.

  24. Kind of annoying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure it'll be greate for the first few seconds. Then you'll start getting an annoying voiceover of ad-sense advertisements while google analyzes your conversation in real-time...

    1. Re:Kind of annoying by generationxyu · · Score: 1

      Probably more like it'll be great *after* the first few seconds, during which you hear a few ads. But Google is likely going to keep track of some data. Remember the Google business model: their resources are data and ideas. Ideas they have in spades... they've got some brilliant people working for them, and are recruiting the best of the best of the best (with honors, sir) to come up with the NextBigThing. Data they've also got in spades, but more data = more money. So far they've been very benign... but who knows what the future holds. I do think, though, that if Google turns evil, I may lose all faith in humanity forever.

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  25. A link that works by ddent · · Score: 0, Redundant
  26. Superpower? by mboverload · · Score: 1
    When does Google become a world "virtual" superpower, vital to the operation of the global economy?

    I know they have that "don't be bad" thing going on, but all it takes is one management change to turn Google into the most hated company around (SCO). I like their email and search, but doesn't this go too far?

    Google could be the next DuPont or Monsanto. All products, from detergent to cat litter could be Google branded. "Let Google search out your stains with our StainRank system!" or "Our litter uses our search technology to find and destroy litter box odors!" What if in 20 years this really does happen? Let's hope the "don't be bad" doctrine will still resonate with Google's next CEO.

    1. Re:Superpower? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, in fact I just checked their site, and their

      "Do no evil"

      slogan had

      "...yet, be patient my pretty ones. Har ha ha ha har."

      appended to it in bloood red letters that faded as I watched...
      I wonder what it means?

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    2. Re:Superpower? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coming to a burger place near you: the Google burger! Why the amount of meat in it is so small that you have to use your Google glasses to search for it and even then you'll be lucky to find it! But that's good, eating less meat means you'll get to live longer and save some money while you're at it. Isn't Google wonderful? And now stay tuned for Brin's very own googlerrific rendition of Wonderful tonight! Clapton eat your heart out! With a Google spoon, of course.

    3. Re:Superpower? by rsadelle · · Score: 1

      Your meds need to be adjusted.

  27. Total message integration by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Voicemail shows up in your gmail inbox, e-mail gets summarized in voice messages, voicemail is indexed...

    And it all has ads.

    1. Re:Total message integration by goth · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Better yet: Voice conversations gets indexed too and our previous telephone calls are suddenly searchable. This could be rather usefull, just as looking up old mails is today, but of course various matters (like privacy and storage) needs to be sorted out first.

    2. Re:Total message integration by flatface · · Score: 1

      I can see it already. Imagine checking your voicemail.

      You have one new message from George W. Gates.

      One-n-crease you are pee-three-n-iz size wit-hith new role lex watch

      GAH

    3. Re:Total message integration by karlowfwb · · Score: 1

      I don't know if this was intended as being funny or not, but it is really very plausible. Already many companies have faxes directed to employee email inboxes, and having voicemails show up in inbox (and having access to voicemails/emails via phone) is also becoming commonplace. Already Vonage (and others, I'd imagine, but I only have experience with Vonage) let you send voicemails to email, check it via a web-base interface or listen to them the 'old fashioned way', via the phone. It may sound like overkill, but its really pretty handy to have all communications available in one place. This could very well be something they are considering.

  28. *scratches head* by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This article seems to be taking a huge speculative leap. Google is investing in heavy bandwidth - therefore, it must be for VoIP? Either there's evidence the reporter isn't revealing, or someone has telephony on the brain.

    1. Re:*scratches head* by bmarklein · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up.

      The entire article is based on a job ad. So the article itself is making a huge leap, and then this Slashdot story makes the further leap that this supposed VoIP network would be UK-based. This seems to be based on the fact that the article is from a British paper. Only problem is... as far as I can tell, the job with Google isn't in the UK and isn't specific to the UK.

    2. Re:*scratches head* by atomic+noodle · · Score: 1
      Here's the job ad the reporter is apparently talking about

      http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/eng/global.html (scroll down to 'Strategic Negotiator, Global Infrastructure' near the bottom of the page)

      There's nothing here about VOIP, and the location is clearly marked 'Mountain View, CA', not the UK.

      I guess the backbone could be for a lot of things... Google-ISP, Google-Hosting, Google-Caching (e.g. like Akamai). Or maybe Google just wants to route all traffic to/from its search engine over its own high speed infrastructure, instead of using the public backbones.

      In any case, If the Times' reporter has stumbled across the truth here, it's luck, not insight...

  29. Find with Google, chat with Google, meet with... by UR30 · · Score: 1

    Perhaps Google wants to be the phone and phonebook of the web? This seems to be a big a hurdle for technology today (how easy it is for your grandma to start using VoIP?), but in the future this may be the way to go.

  30. been there done that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here, Bouygues Telecom, a cell carrier, has offered reduced-rate minutes and SMS (marketed mostly to teenagers) in exchange for hearing advertisements. And they've been doing that for years. Their trick is that you hear the ad first, then they connect you. And if you talk for too long, they'll have you listen for a commercial break (the other side doesn't hear it) and then you carry on. You always have the option to pay full rate or listen to ads, so for the (in that market) rare time you need to be uninterrupted, you can choose so.

  31. Google Should Buy Skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Google should buy Skype... why reinvent the wheel?

    1. Re:Google Should Buy Skype by bitkari · · Score: 1

      The wheel should be reinvented if the wheel isn't as good as it could be.

      I'm sure Google could have bought an existing webmail service rather than start their own from scratch. Thankfully, they chose the latter option and now we have the (rather good) Gmail.

      They have indeed bought existing products (like Picasa), but I would hope that Google could create their own VoIP solution that works even better than the (rather good) Skype.

    2. Re:Google Should Buy Skype by Dr.Opveter · · Score: 1

      because Google usually reinvents a better wheel than the existing one.

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    3. Re:Google Should Buy Skype by KontinMonet · · Score: 1

      Why Skype? If Google has any sense they'll be using standard SIP, not proprietary systems...

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    4. Re:Google Should Buy Skype by burns210 · · Score: 1

      They also bough Keyhole. 2 margets that were, quite a bit outside the scope of any of their existing markets. While gmail are, looking back, pretty similar to the web mail and new interface.

      Google buys their way into radically new markets(picasa, keyhole), but develops inhouse to expand in nearby markets(mail, news aggregation, usenet archive/groups, froogle)

  32. New Business Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1.???
    2.Googlify it
    3.Profit!

  33. MOD PARENT DOWN REDUNDANT + OFFTOPIC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Parent is both redundant (this exact text had already been posted an hour before) and offtopic (this is not the text of the page that was linked to in the submission).

  34. Mandatory Question by bain_online · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Does it run on Linux??

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    1. Re:Mandatory Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When MAC announced their "Mini", it caught my eye. Wanting to buy/build a small computer for my already cramped breakfast bar, I started pricing out similar hardware. The results startled me. Most of the configurations I found were more than the humble US$499 of the "Mini", often much more. To match price I had to configure with a much bigger shuttle-style case.

      My question is this. What PCs are currently on the market to compete with this? When my wife asks for the "cute little MAC", what real computer can I buy instead?

  35. Is this really true? by bain_online · · Score: 1

    From the article
    # Google was forced to go public during 2004, so that some of its founding investors could make a profit. The company raised $26 million; its initial market value at float was one thousand times greater

    Is this really the case ?

    # The company's motto is "Don't Be Evil"
    Isn't it "Do no evil"

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  36. Silence! by __aailob1448 · · Score: 1

    Slashdotters will be Slashdotters and will come up with far-fetched theories about how this meshes with Google's existing products and how it makes financial sense.

    But the fact is this is all wild *Speculation*. In fact, it does not make sense for google to get into VOIP and there are several more plausible reasons for google to look into buying fiber.

    Think about that for a second, take a deep breath, move on.

  37. Whats new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apart from Skype,BT and Yahoo already does this today in the UK (as a partnership) via Yahoo Messenger - you can use the normal PC to PC voice chat, or you can use Yahoo Messenger to call a normal phone. In fact, they forced through a Messenger update a while back to ensure their entire installed user base in the UK had the functionality visible in the user interface. So far, outside of search, Google isn't innovating much, but mostly copying, and not doing a particularly great job at it (that is, none of their other services have been taking much market share).

  38. Quality of skype by grahamsz · · Score: 1

    It might be the best of the free. But vonage sounds a tonne better (on my connection) than skype.

  39. More Likely? by miyako · · Score: 1

    It seems to me like it might be more likely that google is working on something more mundane. I mean, the most reasonable guess to me would seem that google is just buying up lines while it has the cash in the hopes of being able to make money off them later, or they are just planning on putting in some new boxes over there or something.
    If they were working on a new project though, it would seem more likely to me that it would be some aspect of a new search technology or something, maybe for big businesses (seems to me like google could make a killing selling custom database or indexing software for businesses, I would imagine that a lot of business problems would mirror the problem of indexing and searching information on the web, if a group of smart and talented people were to put the software together).

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  40. so what... by tektek · · Score: 1

    ...they'll send you ads based on what you say? :)

  41. Re:Find with Google, chat with Google, meet with.. by itsthebin · · Score: 1

    I thought Google would move with Gmail into instant messaging but this step into VOIP which could also incorporate IM seems to be a logical step... It is probable they wish to harness the idea of one identity to which you can be contacted. Voice, Video , IM and email.

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  42. Google Messenger anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    What Google lacks is a messenger. My take is that they're going after that pie. They'll launch a messenger, but what'll cause the uesrs to move away from Yahoo!, MSN or AOL? A new shiney feature ofcourse! Think skype. Skype also has limited IM functionality. Improve that a lot, and add the Google brand name. Voila!

  43. Cybering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, so when you're cybering with someone you'll automatically get tons of porn loaded so you can concentrate on the important stuff. Add voice recognition and you're in for a true hands-free experience!

  44. in Germany we had free 2 phone calls long ago ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    web.de - a well-known german free-mailer offered free phone calls a while back, you could call any number via the webinterface, it opened an instance of netmeeting, to lengthen the phoning time you had to click an advert every minute and the advertised site was displayed in another frame ...

  45. No substance corroborating the statement by sipmeister · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Can someone please point out where in the article the claim that Google will offer VoIP service is substantiated? As far as I can tell, it's based on speculations by "Julian Hewitt, senior partner at Ovum, a telecoms consultancy".

    Some comments on the article below:

    "The technology that will enable Google to move in on the market has been around for some time. Software by the London-based company, Skype, has been downloaded nearly 54 million times around the world but no large telecommunication firms have properly exploited it."
    The technology has indeed been around for a long time, and Skype, a proprietary walled garden system, is definitely not the first or only one to use it. So why is Skype implicated here?
    "The basic cost of making calls across the internet is almost nil. The real cost is in developing the software; after that, the service exploits available internet capacity."
    So why would Google buy dark fiber if the call "exploits available internet capacity"?
    "In addition, the sound quality of calls across the internet can be poor and the connections can be less reliable."
    As can been witnessed by using Skype, or other applications which incorporate modern codecs, for example the freely available wideband iLBC codec (http://www.ilbcfreeware.org), the voice quality over a broadband connection is usually excellent, in the case of iLBC much better then PSTN. The biggest issue is latency, which is increased in the case of Skype, where calls are often routed over media proxies to traverse NAT's.

    Overall a poor article, "By Elizabeth Judge, Telecoms Correspondent". But what can be expected of the Times?

  46. Hot Blondes!! I think VOIP's best use is to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    chat with girls on the internet.

    GroovyBooty has a lot girls!

  47. Just one thing by adeydas · · Score: 1

    The URL mentioned in the scoop is wrong and has an extra ]. Sheesh what a way to get moderator points...

  48. Ubiquitous Data infrastructure by tm2b · · Score: 1

    Well, they already have to maintain some huge data centers and they've built up some expertise doing that. They're already in the information maintenance and delivery business, even if it's very low bandwidth compared to other content.

    They're digitizing every book that they can get their hands on.

    They're buying up dark fiber.

    They'll be offering free VOIP.

    To me, this suggests that they're building towards a mixture of data delivery services and a multihomed caching company like Akamai.

    Infrastructure and content eventually lead inevitably to multimedia, to movies on demand. They won't care where you get your last mile of broadband IP connectivity from, but they'll take care of the rest.

    It's just a theory...

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  49. It seems strange to me by jesterzog · · Score: 1

    Is it just me or is Google getting a little unfocused with too many acquisitions and weird plans like this?

    Well I'm similarly confused. I guess what they do is up to them, but I can't see how VoIP fits in with their current business at all.

    From what I understand (I vaguely remember my commerce degree), it's generally good business practice to have a general but definite statement of what your business is designed to focus on. Not something that specifies the concrete aspects of day-to-day business (such as "providing a web search engine"), but certainly something general enough that it envelopes yourself and potential competitors and substitutes. Until now, I'd assumed that Google's guiding statement was something like "To help people to find information that is useful for them."

    The point is that through knowing this, it makes it much easier to have a long term strategy and make decisions about how to build up the business so it'll be stable. For instance, any hiring decision that Google made could be weighed against how the new employees would contribute towards the business's goal of helping people to find information. This way, whenever Google moves into a new region such as...

    • providing email and helping people to search their email, or
    • indexing hundreds of thousands of old books and helping people to find useful information, or
    • acquiring the usenet archive and helping people to search it...

    ...Google would already have thousands of existing employees, all of whom have transferrable skills in the area of helping people to find information in one way or another. They can also make sure that things like re-training of employees is done for the right reasons, that incentives are put in the right places, and so on.

    I can't personally see how simply doing VoIP would fit into their existing business at all. It's not traditionally something that invites searching through any large archives of existing information, and I wonder what kind of existing in-house skills Google thinks it can transfer from its core business. Maybe they're thinking something to do with data storage, but that seems risky to me because the reason they have anyone who knows about data storage isn't because it's their core business -- it's because it's a spun-off necessity of part of their existing activities.

    It might be that Google has simply realised that they could already have many of the technical and equipment resources to do it and so they want to try and make some money from it. But if they don't have the right minded people in-house already, there could be all sorts of problems and conflict with their existing business. It'd mean they may have to suddenly hire lots of new people to largely run an entirely new part of their business, or they'll have to buy and merge with an existing business that already has the expertise. Either could create problems.

    Anyway, it's hard to say what's going on when looking in from the outside. It just seems a bit unusual if they're showing an interest in VoIP, and I'd wonder if there's lots of sudden external influence since it went public, that could potentially lead to its downfall. If I was an investor I'd be starting to get concerned, but I'm not an expert in these things.

  50. Re:Yahoo already does this.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    In the UK the Yahoo messenger has BT communicator software embedded, which can make free net to net Voip calls, but also has access to a net to POTS gateway and vice versa, any costs are billed back to your home phone number automaticaly. But the basic net to net service is free.

    see http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/

  51. 5 second add by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I could see google putting a 5 second add before dialing. That is about as long as I would wait b4 I got pissed. Hear me out - I think they will offer the phone service for free and they will make money by making advertisers pay to place their 5second add before the phone connects to the other person. That way the person dialing is forced to listen to the add (though the person could just as easily ignore it as well). However, This is much better than getting interrupted at dinner time by a telemarketer. At the point that you have chosen to make a call you are a captive audience. This is great win win situation for everyone. VOIP calls will be free and advertisters will foot the bill (w/ possible revenue to gain from the marketing though voice ads). It would be interesting to see how google sets up the UI for the VOIP - would there be text/image ads that appear while you are making your call or would it purely be a prerecorded message? What is the longest amount of time that a person would listen to an ad before hanging up, maybe they could only do voice ads once every 10 calls so it would be staggered.

    Interesting points:

    1. Google could listen (randomly) to the conversations and note down the frequency of words being uttered. This would correlate well with any of their search methodologies because because talking about a topic will surely lead to people searching about that same topic.

    2. The people making VOIP phone calls have time, some money (they had to somehow get on the internet to make the call right?), and possibly some education. For higher margin products these are the people that you want to spend your advertising dollars on.

    3. Cross-sell, upsell Google can offer people with gmail additional VOIP accounts. Again these are people that like google and are willing to use its services.

    4. Google gains more public karma by doing things that benefit mankind while making some money on the side - to build more things to better mankind.

    5. Owning yet another medium is lucrative and would be a great chance for them to learn another business without spending a ridiculous amount of money like the telecoms in the 1990's.

    6. This could be a play to compete with microsoft in terms of becoming a global ISP that sifts through __everyone__'s information and preferences. Can you imagine how powerful this would make them? The would be able to potentially control almost all the "new" (internet, voip, videophone) advertising by amassing an enormous amount of data!

    7. Videophones will become a reality in the next 10 to 15 years. Google could put an advertisement (picture in picture) while giving away the voice call for free. Again - advertisers would foot the bill while the service remained free. I think that is key - by keeping the basic service free they get far more people than if they charged money for it.

    8. With TV usage declining and internet usage going on, google will win in the long run :) as long as they keep innovating!

    Anuj Goyal
    anuj_dot_goyal_at_gmail_com

    come on google :) hire me!

    1. Re:5 second add by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > anuj_dot_goyal_at_gmail_com
      >
      > come on google :) hire me!

      If that's the goal, why even bother to post here?

      They know enough about you already, since they store all your email (to make it better searchable), so if they wanted you surely they would have approached you already. ;)

  52. You've said it. by fons · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yahoo has it (VoIP via Yahoo messenger).

    Yahoo is a search company.

    Why shouldn't Google have it?

    1. Re:You've said it. by Robzster · · Score: 1

      This is true, however it's got to be said that Yahoo is also a portal company (games, news, etc.), whereas Google focuses primarily on search.

      Yahoo have also teamed up to provide broadband in some places, so it's safe to say Yahoo's core business is a lot more varied than Google's.

    2. Re:You've said it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yahoo's core business is a lot more varied than Google's ... ... yet.

  53. Vonage vs Skype by buro9 · · Score: 1

    Very true... but on vonage.co.uk it would cost me 4p per minute to call Sweden where my girlfriend lives.

    On Skype the same call costs less than 1p per minute.

    Less than quarter of the cost.

    Vonage might be for those who just want to make calls, but for those of us who make several hours of international phone calls a day Vonage is still extravagantly expensive.

    Besides... I don't use a headset... my little computer is silent and always on, and I have a regular telephone plugged into a USB dongle. I pick up the phone, I dial, I talk, I hang up, I pay a quarter of the price of Vonage.

    The only disadvantage I suffer is that I cannot receive calls via Skype. Not much of an issue, I receive on my mobile. Skype In via a Google network solves this though and offers a network to Skype, and a new advertising market to Google.

    Happy Happy Joy Joy to all shareholders I should think.

    1. Re:Vonage vs Skype by KontinMonet · · Score: 1

      You can receive calls if you use standard SIP based services (Skype is proprietary). See voipuser.com etc.

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    2. Re:Vonage vs Skype by llefler · · Score: 1

      See voipuser.com etc.

      Did you mean voipuser.net? The .COM and .NET sites are parked domains. (And the .ORG requires the WWW)

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  54. Google frightens me by shm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Google frightens me. I know their motto is "Do no evil" but ...

    Consider this:

    * They have one of the world's largest compute clusters.

    * They have the demonstrated capability to use that cluster effectively.

    * They've practically centralized all of the web in their cache. Even though you can ask for a site to be removed from the cache, I expect that all that does is hide the cache from the outside world - google still has a copy.

    * Now they have all your email too, if you've signed up for a gmail account. If you haven't, chances are that someone you communicate with has a gmail account. So they have some of your email too.

    * They have some link with the spooks - I've seen job ads from Google for the East Coast which require security clearance.

    * If in fact they're going to do VOIP, I think it's just to get VOIP centralized as well.

    Maybe your favourite TLA is paying them to do this. Who knows how much money they have.

    Certainly Google has the capability if not the intent to do a lot of evil.

    And I'm not sure they're all that clean - look at the way they cozied up to China and the way the Abu Ghraib images vanished out of their image caches. In one case they're supporting evil, and in the other case they're hiding evil.

    1. Re:Google frightens me by 10Ghz · · Score: 1
      Certainly Google has the capability if not the intent to do a lot of evil.


      I have the capability to do a lot of evil. Do I frighten you? The guy who lives next to you has the capability to kill you if he wants to, does he frighten you?

      Basically, you are afraid because Google has a powerful computer-system and the know-how to use it effectively. and that's "evil" because....??
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    2. Re:Google frightens me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..because it's a public service not yet regulated by our own government.

  55. Wildcards by YowzaTheYuzzum · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just press * on your phone to replace a few common words :)

  56. Nothing new, and it's never 'free' by KontinMonet · · Score: 1

    For a start, you're paying your broadband costs.

    Here in the UK, I have a deal with Bulldog (4Mb line, non-VoIP phone included) as a monthly fee. All calls to landline phones in the UK are unlimited and 'free'. On top of that, however, I have signed up with voipuser and outgoing VoIP (including calls routed to POTS) is 'free' including international calls to quite a lot of areas (Hong Kong, USA, Australia etc.). It's 'free' because incoming calls are made to premium rate numbers which subsidise the outgoing costs. I'm not sure how much longer this service might last...

    I can't see what Google has to offer over this.

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    1. Re:Nothing new, and it's never 'free' by cakefool · · Score: 1

      It's 'free' because incoming calls are made to premium rate numbers which subsidise the outgoing costs

      So if I call you i'm charged premium rates?

      I have to assume here either you don't have friends, or you don't want friends, or all your friends have VOIP.

      not trolling, just the way i read it.

    2. Re:Nothing new, and it's never 'free' by trillian99 · · Score: 1

      Is it "premium" or local rate? I'm not quite sure. Callers seems to be charged in the UK at 3p/min (only UK inbound numbers are available).

  57. Re:Article text in case of slashdotting by Blackax · · Score: 1

    Got to Love Google!!!

  58. not really by Ghost_3k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Has anyone actually read that article?

    Although Google is reluctant to talk about its plans, the logical use of such a network would be to help to support a new telephone service.

    So, if any big company has open jobs for "strategic negotiator" to help the company to provide a "global backbone network", does that mean it's going to start a voip service?

    Is it really only me who thinks that this articole is speculating, no facts, no evidence...nothing...

    ghost_3k

  59. Mobile - wifi - skype IS THE DREAM PRODUCT by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

    How about a mobile that can sense your wifi ,can connect to your PC and use direct PHONE->SKYPE via the mobile, and not pay a cent!!!!!

    The first GENIUS ^H^H^H^H^H manager with a clue that puts this through will have a winner, but we know that cell phone networks like only features for phones that can make money , so the makers wont do it, unless someone makes a wifi+java combo that allow s3rd parties to tap into wifi voip calls.

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  60. Alternative UK VoIP by lga · · Score: 1

    I have been using SIPgate since they launched in the UK. They provide (free) numbers in nearly all area codes, incoming calls are free and calls to other VoIP phones are free. You only have to spend money to pay for outgoing calls to standard phones.

    See sipgate.co.uk

    1. Re:Alternative UK VoIP by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

      SIPgate are currently providing me with my VoIP number, running back to any one of the variety of freeware SIP softphones on my PC. I am also seriously considering getting a hardware SIP phone to sit on my desk, since it's much nicer than having to use my headset all the time.

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  61. Google slogan by Napoleon+Blownapart · · Score: 1, Funny
    "Don't be evil"

    (please note that this slogan has been copyrighted and patented. Re-production without permission will lead to prosecution.)

  62. Dark Fiber by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

    I wonder if Googles VoIP plans are related to it's interest in dark fiber here in the states?

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  63. Bah. by hairykrishna · · Score: 1
    As many people have pointed out buying network infrastructure != becoming a voice over IP operator. I see nothing in the article to persuade me otherwise.Come on guys. We find out that google's buying lots of fiber and this is the best wild speculation we can come up with? (by 'we' I mean the Times...)

    How about a dedicated google ISP? They already have a cache of damn near everything. Sign me up!

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  64. use bellster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why using Skype when you can have Bellster - http://www.bellster.net/web/ - and call for free to anywhere in the world by returning the favour and letting people call in your local area?

  65. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you for the URL. I absolutely abhor the new Google Groups. I've tried to get used to it. It's just C*R*A*P.

  66. Dangerous! [Re: Endgame] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Google's goal seems to be having ALL the information.

    ...yup, ALL, and to make it searchable as well. You can ask yourself who on earth as of today would benefit most from this.

    I think Microsoft is just interested in $$$, no matter how generated, whereas Google is about total information control, which makes it much more susceptible to abuse and potentially dangerous.

    Bear in mind that even if you don't want to be evil, you might be sucked into evil behavior once the feds knock on your door...

  67. yeah yeah yeah by stoneaxe+coming · · Score: 0

    Google's "Don't be evil" is very much like the "core values" of the city that I am currently in.

    Can they afford to be independent (no quotation mark here) when that kind of money is involved? Are they that technologically advanced (VOIP, yeah right) and people highly intelligent that plenty of people cannot do the same? Or is it just truth that tech industry is "regulated" so that very few of the designated can do it?

    One must ask, what group of people have been protecting google so that it could gain widespread market acceptance in such a short period of time? And what motives these people have?

    Nobody can deny that google is a brandname (a marketing term I tend not to use), but has it got any goodwill?

  68. This would be the yellow pages model by King+Babar · · Score: 1

    I'm baffled at people's failure to see how this would trivially make a fair amount of money.

    Google already gets a ton of revenue from targetted advertising. People really do click on those ad links, and Google really does get a cut. But note first that there is a big difference between clicking on the link and actually ordering a product. Note second that the difference between calling the vendor and buying the product is smaller. I'm sure that many vendors would be much happier to have people call them, where they can pitch them more easily than any web page. But to make sure people use this a lot, you have to make it easy, and no different from making a phonecall. But then, once you've gone that far, you might as well offer the VOIP for cheap or for free and use what amounts to an interactive Yellow Pages funding model. You probably do have to cap people's calling at some amount, but if they make the service anything like gmail, it will be a nice, high number. And this won't replace cell-phones for many people. But local and long distance phone prices, which have been down to 3 cents or fewer per minute, probably just did crash all the way to zero.

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  69. imagine being bombarded with ads b4 a call by rofthorax · · Score: 1

    Well I think the purpose is brand development,
    it may be the case that google is the least
    popular in the UK, and they are doing this to boost interest.

    Anotehr possibility is that in the UK google has offices, and they wish to lower telephone tax by
    getting everyone to use internet lines for phone conversations.. Not to mention the potential of being wiretapped by the british government.

    Just a few of the ideas I can think of..

    Of course this is all speculation, I'm not british..

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