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Mozilla Roadmap Update
wikinerd writes "According to a recent roadmap update for Mozilla, the beta 1.8 version will be unveiled this month, while in the next month a second beta will be prepared. After the Beta2, Gecko engine 1.8 will be finished and it will power Mozilla 1.8, Mozilla Firefox 1.1 and Mozilla Thunderbird 1.1. The developers will then start working on Mozilla 1.9. Here are some nice graphics depicting the roadmap."
Does anyone know what new features will be available in 1.1? I know i know, I could have RTFA..but me too lazy..
"There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people."--Howard Zinn
...that Firefox 1.0 can be improved upon?
Wasn't the Mozilla All-In-One browser supposed to be disbanded and effort placed into Firefox a while back? Are they going to continue delaying and delaying this? I tried to read the article, but it didn't seem to say. I'm curious as to how many people still use Mozilla, anyway.
Is it just me or is that graphic totally unnecessary?
$lt;br> problem!) but it's a free WYSYWIG HTML editor withoout too many frills or complexities, and it throws out reasonably tidy HTML which can be cleaned up by hand much more easily than (say) Frontpage output.
So what's the future for Composer? I'd love to have it either as a standalone alongside Firefox and Thunderbird, or as an extension to Firefox.
I notice that Thunderbird contains vestiges of Composer (e.g. CSS styles for display modes no longer available)...
I recently started using FireFox at home and am wondering if someone would mind explaning the difference between Mozilla and FireFox. I understand they're both free software projects and are based on the same core technology. Why are there then two browsers? Is it simply a code fork?
The Map
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
They should make the gecko do the robot in the about window.
I use Firefox for my Mac, and I have used it for a while now. However, I have found it to use up a godly amount of memory, which sometimes leads to crashes on my mere 512 MB machine. I noticed the 1.0 version was better than the 0.9 version at this, and I hope the 1.1 version is even better.
Anyway, I'm just wondering... does anyone else have these memory problems on their Mac's, or is it just me?
I'd like to see more websites displayed properly in the next releases. As much as I like Firefox, it's not my favorite when it hoses up the look/feel of a website. Even if the problems are due to the author and not the browser, end users don't care and they know IE displays it better and think of IE as a better browser. I'd like to see firefox deal with these issues in the same way so more end users switch to firefox.
Before anyone evens grabs the oblig. "Yeah but it still can't display Slashdot right!!oneone!1" post, the fix is in the pipeline for 1.1. And it's a race condition with Firefox, not with /.
Slashdot sucks
I don't see Sunbird in any of those slides. We still seem to be far away from a complete Outlook replacement that is stable enough to pitch to people. I would think replacing Outlook would be a good investment of resources.
I just want to know if Firefox 1.1 will support rendering Slashdot?
Just an idea, absurd I know, but... since every OTHER site I visit works great with the fox, so maybe somebody should stop posting dupes and fix the HTML?
Yea, too absurd...
- Adam L. Beberg - The Cosm Project - http://www.mithral.com/
NVU [1] is a standalone version of the composer which is actively developed (probably more so than composer) and works nicely alongside Firefox.
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[1] http://www.nvu.com
Still no SVG?!?!
How about a version of Firefox and Thunderbird that compiles/runs on Redhat 7.3?
The only official release of Firefox is 1.0. There are a number of outstanding security flaws in Firefox 1.0 as reported by Secunia and none have been addressed yet. I don't know if there is a nightly release that fixes these flaws, but even if there is, those are not the releases that Mom and Pop download, and it is that type of user that tends to be affected most by security flaws. Doesn't the Firefox/Mozilla team need to release a version 1.0.1 that fixes these flaws sooner rather than later? Unfortunately there is no 1.0.1 on the road map, and version 1.1 is not scheduled to be released until June, if it is on time. By then the oldest unpatched flaw, from August 2004, will be 10 months old! While the severity of current flaws is nowhere near MSIE territory, the age of unpatched flaws will be getting into MSIE territory (well, somewhat, anyway.)
--- What?
Well there is NVU. That is according to their own words "A complete Web Authoring System for Linux Desktop users as well as Microsoft Windows users to rival programs like FrontPage and Dreamweaver."
It's in it's third pre-release of the 1.0 beta and are based on Mozilla Composer.
But it's always better to code by hand, since you usually can't make semathically correct code in a WYSIWYG editor. (though for design some of them are usable.)
... wouldn't one centralized Mozilla suite be better to begin with?
I know a number of people who have downloaded Firefox, Thunderbird, and Sunbird, and who are adamantly awaiting a Composer-esque stand-alone app. And yet they won't download Mozilla, citing it's "huge".
Just sayin'.
I like Firefox, and occasionally use it in lieu of Safari on my iBook. However, it has one major shortcoming IMHO: the lack of built in functionality for the middle scroll button. Now, I know you can program it in using a driver program, but that's unsatisfactory and leaves it lacking.
I've heard promises of future compliance w/ the middle click to open a new tab, but I hope they pull through and it does happen. Until then, Firefox just can't hold its own with Safari, as the middle-click button is a feature that many users love. Instead, we have to right click + open in new tab to get a new tab [hee hee, luckily Mac OS X does support a two-button mouse!].
"There's no success like failure, and failure's no success at all."
- Bob Dylan
Demand. Many people still want the suite. I imagine they will stop developing the app suite when demand drops to near zero.
It's based on KHTML (the rendering engine for Konqueror), not gecko (mozilla rendering engine). It renders sites very similar because they are both mostly w3c standards compliant (more so than IE).
Mozilla is using the NEW gecko engine and the article says that 1.8 will be final soon. How is that old? RTFA. Firefox uses mozilla's gecko engine as well.
From mozilla's FAQ:
"Mozilla (Application Suite, also known as SeaMonkey) is a complete suite of web related applications, such as a browser, a mail/news client, a chat client and much more. Firefox is just a browser, which makes it a better choice if you already have a mail client for example. Also, since Firefox is smaller than the whole Mozilla suite, it's faster and easier to use.
Note, though, that Firefox is not the standalone Mozilla browser. The user interface in Firefox differs from Mozilla in many ways. For example, Firefox has customizable toolbars."
So firefox is different than mozilla because...it has a different user interface. Firefox relies on mozilla's work on the gecko engine so to abandon mozilla is to also abandon firefox.
Safari uses KHTML for it's rendering engine. You know about Google, right?
GPL Deconstructed
If you wanted to see the actual roadmap itself, starting at this /. article you had to wade through not one, not two, but three intermediate sites to get to it. Thanks a lot for not putting a direct link anywhere in the article, guys.
For blocking flash: flashblock.mozdev.org
It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile
Be yourself no matter what they say
Did Firefox find Jesus or something? Perhaps you meant "ungodly."
David Hyatt is also working on safari. Who was from netscape.
There is a spark in every single flame bait point.
Will we ever see a composer replacement? I still use the suite for the composer--
Perhaps i need to RTFA a little more, but i don't see any mention of SVG which is disappointing.
Have you tried using the suite anytime remotely recently?
The only place it's slower than Thunderbird or Firefox is in startup time. If you turn on the preload feature, then the suite will load faster than the individual apps will. I consider the preload worthwhile, since I've got a browser open the vast majority of the time I'm working on the computer, and if not, I usually at least want the email app open.
If you use multiple individual apps, the suite ends up using less memory as the apps each have their own instance of the Gecko core.
WebCore is open source, but it is written in Objective-C++ (core is C++, interface is Objective-C), which is currently only supported by GCC on OS X (mainly due to the size of the maintainers' egos). Once the main branch of GCC gets Objective-C++ support, it is probable that the GNUstep project will gain a WebCore based browser.
[1] Not in any way an objective measurement, I've just found that a few CSS tags I've wanted to use have been supported by Safari but not by anything else including Gecko.
[2] Again, 100% subjective.
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Completely different. Safari is built on KHTML, used in konqueror. Which, IME, is a much nicer browser than firefox, at least if you're using kde.
I am trolling
What is with all of this complaining about Firefox not rendering slashdot? I read slashdot at school with Firefox (which is installed on all lab machines) and it renders just like it does in IE. I read slashdot with Camino which is little more than a COCOA port of Gecko, and it renders just fine. What is the deal here?
Click here or a puppy gets stomped!
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/007450 .html
Photoshop.
Asa's pretty good at that stuff. He also made some pretty icons!
You GOT TO BE KIDDING, right? Almost all people here are using Mozilla as a mail reader and web browser on Linux and Solaris boxes. Now, if they all have to switch to Firefox/Thunderbird THAT would be bloated because Firefox and Thunderbird DON'T SHARE A SINGLE BIT OF MEMORY at runtime (well, they probably share some system libraries but that's not what I mean). They both come with an IDENTICAL Gecko engine but they don't share a single shared library. The result is that memory consumption goes up quite a bit. And also, if I download the source tree for Firefox and Thunderbird I always get the impression that I download the whole Mozilla tree twice and then compile some selected bits and pieces of it (and I still believe that I compile to much and produce some unneeded libs). Why oh why can't they make the promised GRE (Gecko Runtime Environment) which you have to install once and which is shared between all Mozilla products (Firefox, Thunderbird, Sunbird, Nvu and who knows what'll come in the future). THAT would finally convince me to give up the suite. Maybe with Mozilla 3.0 ....
I'm amazed that what I consier to be a HUGE security issue hasn't been addressed.
If you open 2 tabs, and the background one has an applet of any type, the applet can grab the actions from the visible tab, redraw the visible tab and so on.
I'm surprised that a 'slashdot rendering' bug makes it into the list when a REALLY, REALLY dangerous vulnerability is present. I have seen quite a few bug reports about it, and I tried posting my own, but alas, no response.
I feel a bit like the dude who posted his bug to bugzilla, only to get no response.
The bugzilla.mozilla.org bug report is 233780, although there are lots of others that are similar. They keep getting marked as unconfirmed, when they are quite easily reproducible.
Argh
Re your sig... I think a more important question is "What is Lain?"
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Are you an SF Fan? Are you a Tru-Fan?
2. show the url in the location bar for web pages that fail to load
Try this extension.
"...personality goes a long way."
Even simple things (like popping tabs up on top rather than in the background) can't be done w/o setting the apropriate properties manually.
...and then put check in the "Select new tabs.." boxes for whatever you feel is appropriate.
Edit-->Preferences-->Advanced
Tabbed Browsing
No need to modify config files of use about:config
Cheers,
Vic
A lot of the new and fixed stuff (including the /. rendering bug) is already available in the nightly builds. I wouldn't install a nightly for Grandma, but they're definitely very usable by anyone of sufficient geekdom:
g htly/latest-trunk/
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/ni
Does anyone know how those graphics were generated?
They look really nice... I've been looking for a tool to create automated timelines like that.
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
Anyone know if they plan on fixing the memory leak in Firefox 1.0? I've even used this fix, and Firefox continues to gobble up memory. I don't use tabs, but multiple windows.
Some of those security issues have been fixed in the nightly builds, but right now the nightlies have a whole whack of regressions that make them pretty close to unusable.
Usually the nightlies are quite usable, but after 1.0 was released they merged in all the Mozilla 1.x changes that had happened in the last 8 months or so, which brought about a whole load of regressions. I expect you'll be able to get more usable nightlies of Firefox 1.1 in a couple weeks leading up to the developer preview. (Also these builds include the perennial Slashdot rendering bug!)
- Allen Pike
Altering time, one time at a time.
Is that no finalizing work has been done on CAP (Calendar Access Protocol).
Netscape for one is a pretty much a rebranding of the Mozilla suite with heavy customization. A of companies don't use Mozilla but use Netscape still, which is essentially the same as Mozilla suite. There are some power user features that come in the suite that I use on a regular basis. If I used Firefox I'd have to get them as extensions.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10002 2
I stopped being lazy though and just dug up the actual proxy address from the script and entered it directly in Firefox...
Arguing about vi versus Emacs is like arguing whether it's better to make fire by rubbing sticks or banging rocks.
iTunes Music Store on Windows uses WebCore/KHTML, doesn't it?
~ Aero
I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about. If this is enough for me to claim I'm a developer (or even if it doesn't... I don't really care what trolls think of me).....
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Here's a list of the source directories for Mozilla & Firefox:
accessible browser build caps chrome config content db dbm directory docshell dom editor embedding extensions gc gfx intl ipc jpeg js l10n layout lib mailnews modules netwerk nsprpub other-licenses parser plugin profile rdf security storage sun-java themes toolkit tools uriloader view webshell widget xpcom xpfe xpinstall
Of those, only browser and toolkit are exclusive to Firefox, and most of the code in xpfe is exclusive to Mozilla. Pretty much everything else is shared. There are not different "development teams". Developers working on the core (rendering, networking, the image libraries, etc) are working on both products, since those parts are shared. Other people work on the Firefox frontend mostly, or the Mozilla frontend mostly, or both.
Development is active in both products. It just happens that the Mozilla front end is very mature and stable, so it doesn't change as rapidly. That doesn't mean features aren't being added - I've added a few little things (some of which happen to be in Firefox, some of which aren't), and I'm not the only one working on it.
There are two kinds of fool: one who says, "It is old, and therefore good", and the other, who says "It is new, and therefore better".
Bugzilla blocks referrers from slashdot, so for your copy/paste convenience, the link above is pointing to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_fo
My server
Will Mozilla have a feature to remember the password on my Yahoo Mail one day? One can only wish.
Maybe something simple, like if there is a PW FIELD THEN ASK WHETHER TO SAVE THE PW?
Why do random sites not work with the PW manager?
The single button mouse on a Mac is always treated as the "left" mouse button on more endowed mice.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
They've got the NSPR and Gecko, which are library-based implementations of a lot of the stuff under the hood that is shared. If someone were to sort of design a "network-transparent" XUL implementation; a thin front-end type thing mostly concerned with event handling... that sat on top and could communicate to a shared memory realm/daemon that hosted the common components that'd be kinda cool. The Unix implementation would probably be easier than the Windows one though.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
There's a functional XForms installation available for testing for Mozilla and Firefox. It's a 150 kb single-click installation on top of recent (last week's) Firefox or Mozilla builds.
Well there is NVU.
Thanks everyone who mentioned this -- that seems to be close to what I need (if a little over featured!)
But it's always better to code by hand, since you usually can't make semathically correct code in a WYSIWYG editor. (though for design some of them are usable.)
I know what you mean, but I don't quite agree. One can perfectly easily envisage a GUI semantic editor -- LyX comes close.
With Composer you could edit with a CSS style that explicitly shows you the semantics you're coding - I note that NVU has a pulldown for class...
(I was a bit worried for second -- I thought "no class" was the software making a judgement on me
I remember hearing that. Mozilla 1.4 would be Firefox. They are announcing 1.8. What happened?
Hatredman
Others already answered requests 1 and 2, so I'll just answer 3:
Go to about:config (for anyone who hasn't used it before, just type that in the URL bar). Filter for "dom.dis". You'll get a list of options. Most of them are self-explanatory, and should be set to true if you want to always have your status bar, url bar, etc., or false if you don't mind sites deciding that. You can probably google for the ones you don't understand.
There are 11 types of people in the world: those who can count in binary, and those who can't.
Does Options -> Privacy -> Cookies -> Keep cookies: Ask me every time not give you what you want?
There are 11 types of people in the world: those who can count in binary, and those who can't.