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Round 2 of Apple's Lost '1984' Series

webertk421 writes "The second set of lost 1984 videos has been released. This set again needs more mirrors (I still can't download the torrent files). According to the descriptions, the clips include Steve Jobs reciting some Dylan, showing the well known 1984 commercial, and 'Manuals,' another commercial that almost aired instead."

183 comments

  1. Dylan by Electroly · · Score: 5, Funny

    Damnit. Saw Dylan, thought of the programming language. I need to get out more.

    1. Re:Dylan by PedanticSpellingTrol · · Score: 1, Funny

      Thank God I'm not the only one, then.

    2. Re:Dylan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those Gates pictures are still burned in my cornea. So where are the sexy teen beat pictures of Mr. Jobs? Hmmm... maybe I better post this AC.

    3. Re:Dylan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah I know him. Tall guy about yea high, big dent in his forehead..

    4. Re:Dylan by quigonn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, me too, as "Dylan" in the Apple context is way more likely the language than anything else, since they invented it.

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    5. Re:Dylan by batemanm · · Score: 1

      I saw Dylan and thought of a guitar playing rabbit from a kids TV show. It was very odd to think that Jobs was reciting some of his stuff.

    6. Re:Dylan by qray · · Score: 2, Funny

      Same here. Reminds of the time I was driving down the highway and saw a sign "DSL $1.99" And couldn't believe someone was selling Internet access that low. Hopping to see a phone # I then realized the sign was at a gas station. My next thought was how odd that a gas station would branch into the internet access business. Then it finally hit, they were selling diesel, not "DSL".

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    7. Re:Dylan by stand · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wondered: Bob Dylan or Dylan Thomas? Do I need to get out more?

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    8. Re:Dylan by operagost · · Score: 1

      Do you think any guys pulled in excitedly thinking it was that OTHER "DSL."? You know -- sucky sucky soldier boy?

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    9. Re:Dylan by g00z · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "When you say Dylan, he thinks your talking about Dylan Thomas...whoever he was. The man ain't got no culture"

      Oh Paul Simon.. remember when you were cool? You know -- before you started letting Chevy Chase hang out in your music videos while you played a keytar?

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    10. Re:Dylan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i was just listening to that song, a simple desultory philippic, on the way to work:

      he's so unhip, when you say "dylan", he thinks you're taking about dylan thomas, whoever he was. the man ain't got no culture.

    11. Re:Dylan by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Do I need to get out more?

      Only if this came to mind first.

      It's Apple, but off by a decade.

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    12. Re:Dylan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      u gay

  2. Warning: by p!ngu · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Apples may be Insanely Great!

  3. Torrent mirrors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Torrent mirrors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Mirrors on 100mbit link here:
      http://eddie.ratm.net/slashdot/

      For those who can't run bittorent from work :)

    2. Re:Torrent mirrors by Travis+Fisher · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one who noticed that in the process of requesting torrent mirrors, the original poster admitted that even they hadn't watched the videos? So now, not only does everyone else on slashdot post without bothering to RTFA (or in this case WTFV), now even the article submitters don't bother! Wow.

    3. Re:Torrent mirrors by evil0ne · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the mirror. If I had mod points I'd give them to you.

  4. Re:IP Theft and The Apple Community by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Wow! You copied and pasted that much text all by yourself? Mummy will be proud of her little soldier.

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  5. NeXT Cube Introduction? by green+pizza · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does anyone know of a video of Steve Jobs' original NeXT Cube introduction from 1988? I read about it in the book, "Steve Jobs and the NeXT Big Thing" and it sounded like it was just as impressive as the original Macintosh introduction.

    Another cool video would be the Pixar Imaging Computer, which, naturally, was also cube shaped!

    1. Re:NeXT Cube Introduction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The intro was only shown on clips on the evening news as far as I know. There were even problems with the video afterwards at the press-table showing. I have (somewhere) a tape of all of the news broadcasts and the video that was shown of the assembly line during the intro. It was dubbed from a 3/4 inch broadcast master so it's not a bad VHS copy. I also have a couple of origonal VHS tapes from NeXT of the NeXTstation intro as well. I worked for a NeXT OEM/reseller as a marketing weasel and it was part of the warchest, although the cube-stuff I got from the NeXT rep when I took delivery of my own slab in 1991.

      I'll post to slashdot when I find them and get them uploaded and processed with final-cut-pro on the g5.

      may take a little while though, I'm in the middle of a move so EVERYTHING is in boxes.

    2. Re:NeXT Cube Introduction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does anyone have the conference video with Bill Gates getting bo'ed out?

    3. Re:NeXT Cube Introduction? by kalleh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not sure if you mean this one, but here is a long video of Stevie doing a demo of NeXTSTEP 3.0:

      http://www.openstep.se/jobs/

    4. Re:NeXT Cube Introduction? by lightning01 · · Score: 1

      Nah, NeXT Cube introduction wasn't as good. First, they started about 45 minutes late at SF Symphony hall and kept everyone waiting in the hall, which seemed to have air conditioning problems. Then the OS or apps crashed a couple of times during the demos. Finally, because they'd started so late, they had to finish the whole presentation very early - Jobs basically walked on stage and cut off one of the academic presenters in mid-sentence - as the Symphony had to use the auditorium to practice for a performance that evening. That was definitely not the smooth announcement that was expected. (Couple that with the surprise higher price and many of us came away disappointed.) Still, the machine was cool to see and the RW Optical drive seemed amazing at the time.

    5. Re:NeXT Cube Introduction? by rizzo5 · · Score: 1

      bo'ed out? what, did he forget to apply deodorant that day?

  6. Somewhat OT by Phantom100 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I liberated a Mac SE from the trashbin awhile back, but don't have any discs to boot it from. Anyone want to point me to someplace that can help me resuscitate it?

    1. Re:Somewhat OT by Gordonjcp · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Google about for "lowendmac" and such like. Apple let you download versions of their OS up to System 7.6 for free. The basic idea is that if you own a Mac, you have the right to a copy of MacOS for it.

    2. Re:Somewhat OT by green+pizza · · Score: 2, Informative

      System 6.0.8 (the last version before 7):
      http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_ Area/ Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Maci ntosh/System/Older_System/System_6.0.x/

      System 7.5.3:
      http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Suppo rt_Area/ Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Maci ntosh/System/Older_System/System_7.5_Version_7.5.3 /

    3. Re:Somewhat OT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry we didn't meet before now. I just
      pitched my entire Mac System 7.6 kit on
      the rubbish heap (it was so '90's). If
      you are a bit agnostic regarding OSes, might
      I recommend D/Ling the latest NetBSD or
      OpenBSD?

      At least you would have a great (and free)
      bit of development tools.

    4. Re:Somewhat OT by gotpaint32 · · Score: 1

      Mac SE's use 720K drives? At least I'm pretty sure they originally did. Anyway if thats the case, unless u have a 720k drive layin around that u can copy the OS onto from teh interweb I think u'll be out of luck. Some ppl have modded their SE's for 1.44 or added external drives but thats just going overboard.

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    5. Re:Somewhat OT by ABeowulfCluster · · Score: 1

      You can boot up a knoppix disk and format a floppy for 720k. Actually, the 'boot knoppix' part isn't needed, but it looked good while typing.

    6. Re:Somewhat OT by green+pizza · · Score: 2, Informative

      Mac SE's use 720K drives? At least I'm pretty sure they originally did.
      The Mac 512Ke, Mac Plus, Mac SE, and Mac II originally shipped with 800 KB 3.5" floppy drives. These are similar to 720 KB 3.5" drives, but used an 800 KB format.

      There was a later version of the Mac SE that did ship out of the factory with a 1.44 MB floppy drive.

    7. Re:Somewhat OT by michaeldot · · Score: 1

      Nope...

      Mac 128K, 512K = 400K 3.5" drive
      Mac Plus, SE = 800K 3.5" drive
      Mac SE/30, II, etc = 1.4MB 3.5 drive

      HFS too, so get you FAT ass back in the kitchen and make me some pie. (Apologies to Cartman)

    8. Re:Somewhat OT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SE's have 800K drives unless they say "SuperDrive" or "HDFD" on the front.

    9. Re:Somewhat OT by mboverload · · Score: 1

      Shit, how long have you been waiting for your trash to be picked up man?

    10. Re:Somewhat OT by MattyCobb · · Score: 1

      Usually this early in on a new article all the posts would suggest you throw your Mac back in the trashcan and boot up XP.

      (And why is it all the potty mouths just happen to be Windows users? Is there something about that OS which encourages profanity?)

      Good luck getting the Mac SE going, and if not, a fishtank mod awaits!



      I am not sure what site YOU have been reading but the "bah what are you thinking? use another OS!" lines here generally point to OSX or Linux. And they usually come from over zealous fans of either OS. Not saying thats not the right thing to do ;) , just pointing out I haven't heard any cheers for Windows on the Slashdot community not any really arrogant Windows fans... That usually comes from the other crowd heh.

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    11. Re:Somewhat OT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Apple only offers up to 7.5.3 for free (though there is a 7.5.5 updater available too.) Above that, only updaters are available.

      6.0.8 is highly reccomended for your the SE, compact, rock solid and hyper fast. Head over to System 6 Heaven for your System 6 needs. Available in over two dozen languages!

    12. Re:Somewhat OT by michaeldot · · Score: 1

      Okay, I wasn't very clear. I was just making the point that a lot of the EARLY posts on new Slashdot articles, BEFORE they get (rightfully) modded to oblivion or removed are often very rude ones. You know, along the lines that all Mac users are homosexuals...

    13. Re:Somewhat OT by DenDave · · Score: 1

      I believe that Lowendmac.com has some links and otherwise this thread will probably be spammed by links. Failing that leave me a message I think I have some os 6 disks in the corner with my SE

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    14. Re:Somewhat OT by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Dude, Mac users are totally gay, except not all of them are into having sex with people of the same gender. =)

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    15. Re:Somewhat OT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      LOL!!!
      I didn't realize it... dang man, this is gonna be a hard coming out of the closet.. How am I gonna break this to my girfriend.. "sorry honey but some windows wankers says I'm gay, and I'm taking the Mac with me .."
      read this pork-for-brains:
      if mac user's are all homosexuals then how come we breed like rabbits?

    16. Re:Somewhat OT by YorgleLlama · · Score: 2, Informative

      6.x or 7.0/7.1 should be the top end you'd want to put on a 68000 mac. If you need old-version stuff, go 6.0.8. if you need system 7 stuff, go 7.1 if you can find it. (7.0 was released for free, 7.1 contained some non-free software, and thus is not on their site for download. (512, plus, se, portable, powerbook 100, etc) 7.5.x should only be used on 68020+ macs. It'll work on 68000 macs, but it'll be wicked slow. (SE/30, the entire II line, etc.) And typically, if you want 7.5.x you should also grab the 7.5.5 updater for 7.5.3. 7.5.5 is more stable and feature filled than 7.5.3 (just my experience, anyway...)

    17. Re:Somewhat OT by YorgleLlama · · Score: 1

      SE's were in fact released with an updated rom with "SuperDrive" support... although in this case, "SuperDrive" was a 1.4mb drive. This model was called the "SE SuperDrive" or the "SE FDHD". I have one of each in my garage right now.

      The mac i believe also spins the disk at 5 diffrent speeds, whereas the PC does not. however, the mac can support PC formatted disks, so you can format a pc floppy, drop it into a mac, copy the files over and use them....

    18. Re:Somewhat OT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      400k disks are *not* HFS formatted, they are MFS formatted, which is why they are no longer supported.

    19. Re:Somewhat OT by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      He is a faggot yet he has a wife?

      Is a simple insult beyond you?

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  7. neat by NMerriam · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I've got to say, Slashdot and torrents go together like peas and carrots. By the time I finished clicking on the 4th torrent link and closed the window, I'd already finished downloading the first file.

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    1. Re:neat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you please mirror the torrents? They are no longer working on the original site . . .

    2. Re:neat by mboverload · · Score: 1
      TV + torrents are like bread to butter too =)

      Just got every Gundam Wing episode (half way through, awesome), Stargate Atlantis, Battlestar Galactica, The OC, Point Pleseant, and other assorted shows from it.

  8. PIXAR Imaging Computer by green+pizza · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For those who are curious, here's a photo of the beast:
    http://www.3dnews.ru/documents/8124/pic-16.jpg

    And another photo with a Sun E450 and Sun SPARCstation 5 for reference:
    http://www.nenv.k.u-tokyo.ac.jp/bis/kaoru/kizai01/ images/pixar.jpg

    1. Re:PIXAR Imaging Computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neat! The pixar computer came out in 1988 also didn't it? That means pixar was using granite textured plastics long before silicon graphics!

    2. Re:PIXAR Imaging Computer by Kyro · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't happen to have the specs for that baby would you?

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    3. Re:PIXAR Imaging Computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey you two knuckleheads. It is neither a "beast" nor a "baby."

    4. Re:PIXAR Imaging Computer by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Hey knucklehead, how about actually providing specs if you know them? Until then, I will consider it a baby beast.

    5. Re:PIXAR Imaging Computer by RevAaron · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just so folks know- that isn't a NeXT cube. It's kind of the shape of one, and hell, maybe it even ran NeXTSTEP, but that's not a NeXT cube. Here is a good photo of a NeXT cube and the 17" megapixel monitor (black white!).

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    6. Re:PIXAR Imaging Computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And trollers should note the NeXT mouse has two buttons...

    7. Re:PIXAR Imaging Computer by Smallpond · · Score: 1

      Its been a while, but ISTRC 32-bits/pixel R-G-B-Alpha. Total frame buffer depended on the number of cards installed, around 32MBytes or maybe Mpixels in ours. Rendering a single image took a few minutes.

      And, yes, the granite colors and cube shape were cool compared to the beige plastic boxes.

    8. Re:PIXAR Imaging Computer by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      AC sez: And trollers should note the NeXT mouse has two buttons...

      Though trollers and counter trollers should also note that whilst the NeXT mouse had two buttons, they weren't used like they are on a PC or under Unix/X. By default, the right mouse button did the same thing as the left. Though, with a 3rd party app, you could use the right mouse button to bring up the app's menu, as well as a couple of other things (global menu). I think they included it mostly for compatibility with the X10 apps they figured a lot of people would be running using CubX and the other X servers for NeXTSTEP.

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    9. Re:PIXAR Imaging Computer by Pope · · Score: 1

      Incorrect, at least on my OpenStep 4.2 system: the right button brings up the application menu.

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    10. Re:PIXAR Imaging Computer by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      My bad, in OS that is true. On my black hardware, I only used up to NS 3.3, OS4.2 on white hardware. But is still following a Mac-like design- nothing is hidden in a right-click menu, it's only giving you the app's menu...

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  9. Torrent mirrors (forgot to login) by pen · · Score: 1, Informative
    1. Re:Torrent mirrors (forgot to login) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't work . . .

  10. 235? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Of the 235 people in America, only a fraction know how to use a computer. Macintosh is for the rest of us." -- Video #4

    No wonder they have such small market share. They've had a target of about 220 users!

  11. Why is this such a big deal? by green+pizza · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Where are the videos of Michael Dell demonstrating the latest Dimension Desktop?

    Where are the videos of Carly Fiorina showing off the latest HP LaserJet?

    Better yet, where are the videos of Xerox demonstrating the $36,000 Alto?

    1. Re:Why is this such a big deal? by michaeldot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hard to tell, but are you being ironic, or moronic?

      Dell Dimensions and HP LaserJets didn't put a dent in the universe.

      This product did.

      If nothing else, it started Microsoft scrambling to put something very similar on everyone's desktop... 1 billion computer users and growing.

      No Mac...?

      (A)bort (R)etry (F)ail

    2. Re:Why is this such a big deal? by Ravenscall · · Score: 1

      I guess they just are not as sexy

      Or something like that

      Yeah

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    3. Re:Why is this such a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      > Where are the videos of Michael Dell demonstrating
      > the latest Dimension Desktop?

      > Where are the videos of Carly Fiorina showing off
      > the latest HP LaserJet?

      > Better yet, where are the videos of Xerox
      > demonstrating the $36,000 Alto?

      The difference is Apple actually makes some real innovations in their products and they take some pride in their product. Steve Jobs isn't just a guy in a suit reading off a list of PowerPoint bullet items.

      Did you know that when the Macintosh came out that the second generation Xerox Star still didn't support overlapping windows and still lacked any sort of uniform style. That machine cost something like 6x as much as a Macintosh and even without its external monitor its tower case was still twice as large as a Macintosh. If you read the folklore.org website it says the Macintosh had fewer chips on its motherboard than the IBM PC had on its black and white graphics card alone.

    4. Re:Why is this such a big deal? by mboverload · · Score: 1
      Thats like asking "where's the Olsen twins lesbian porno?"

      It's not going to happen, give up =)

    5. Re:Why is this such a big deal? by green+pizza · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thats a bit rich coming from someone who is worshipping a COMMERCIAL ADVERTISEMENT for a FOR-PROFIT company. I mean come on, folks, Apple doesn't give a rats ass except that you buy their products.
      Good point! We should all sell our BMWs and buy used Kias. Then we should sell our PowerBooks and ThinkPads and buy used Avertecs.

      Oh, but wait, Kia and Avertec are in business to make money too! Ack!

      Quick, who has the detailed instructions for building an EasyBake Chip Fab??

    6. Re:Why is this such a big deal? by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Oh, but wait, Kia and Avertec are in business to make money too! Ack!

      Brilliantly done, in your blind knock kneed rush to defend Apple, you missed the point entirely. You don't save and record ADVERTS for BMWs do you? Create torrents and share them around? Hello?

    7. Re:Why is this such a big deal? by blonde+rser · · Score: 1

      As stupid as it sounds I think it's a big deal because it's a big deal. There are some events that, for what ever reason, have the ability to pick up some momentum. And from there people wonder what is this thing with all this momentum. To be honest I almost believe this is rational. The quality of generating a lot of interest is interesting. Not because I want to become part of the crowd but I want to see what could gather such a crowd. I feel there is a distinction between this and jumping on the bandwagon but I don't know of an objective test to differentiate the two.

    8. Re:Why is this such a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, how do you expect me to get any work done after reading that?

    9. Re:Why is this such a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Of course not. http://www.bmwfilms.com/

    10. Re:Why is this such a big deal? by notamac · · Score: 1

      You're reading slashdot... you weren't expecting to get any work done anyway :)

    11. Re:Why is this such a big deal? by MPHellwig · · Score: 1

      "Brilliantly done, in your blind knock kneed rush to defend Apple, you missed the point entirely. You don't save and record ADVERTS for BMWs do you? Create torrents and share them around? Hello?"

      Hmm last time I visit a car enthousiast forum it was exactly what there are doing there.
      So unless this isn't a site for geeks, nerds and the stuff alike, this is PRECISE the things I would EXPECT.
      If there would be a detailed presentation of the Earth simulator or the new IBM cluster, it would be shared just the same as these apple ads.

    12. Re:Why is this such a big deal? by Grench · · Score: 1

      You don't save and record ADVERTS for BMWs do you?

      I have Honda's famous advert, called 'Cog', where they have all the different parts of the car being used in a big, long, Mouse Trap-style chain reaction, with the ultimate goal being the car itself being rolled off a ramp at the end. The music in it was Rappers' Delight by the Sugar Hill Gang. The tagline of the ad was ''Isn't it nice when things just work?''

      I believe it wasn't shown in full in America as the whole thing lasted for about 2 minutes, making it extremely expensive for Honda to screen it there.

      That's a superb advert, and one that will be well-remembered for a long time. Hell, I've had that advert on DVD for quite some time.

      It's not difficult to imagine that advert being rediscovered in 20 years and being shared around the internet (or whatever form the internet will take in 20 years).

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    13. Re:Why is this such a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Where are the videos of Michael Dell demonstrating the latest

      Where are the videos of Carly Fiorina showing off


      wOOt!! Is this a cry for wintel porn?

      ROFL!!!
    14. Re:Why is this such a big deal? by JabberWokky · · Score: 4, Insightful
      No, however the release of the Mac is a milestone in the industry. So was the Altair IV, whose advertisements would get the same reception.

      In a gun community, ads for the Winchester repeating rifle would garner similar interest (as it was a milestone product), or the first ads for the Model T in a car community.

      Ford, Winchester and Apple are all for-profit companies, but they advanced the art of their fields greatly in a single leap by releasing products that redefined their industries. Of course it's interesting.

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    15. Re:Why is this such a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't save and record ADVERTS for BMWs do you?

      HAHAHAHA omg next time you act like an ass try using a company that doesn't do stuff like bmwfilms.com.

      I still have a few of those on DVD.

    16. Re:Why is this such a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am so sick of hearing anti-mac whiners from the windows camp bitchin and complaining about why macs are getting so much attention. Get over it. Believe it or not, there are other platforms out there than your stupid fscking windows. If you don't like hearing about apple, stop reading the apple section of slashdot and the apple related stories. If you really want to see a video of your stupid dell, go dig up a fsckin video and submit a story. If it's actually interesting, they'll use it.

    17. Re:Why is this such a big deal? by TheMediaWrangler · · Score: 1

      Where are the videos of Carly Fiorina showing off the latest HP LaserJet?

      There aren't any, and there never will be.

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    18. Re:Why is this such a big deal? by tomcode · · Score: 2, Funny

      EasyBake Chip Fab cooks your lithographs with a 40 watt bulb, and it comes with little doping packets, but the secret ingredient is love.

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    19. Re:Why is this such a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dell sells a lot more machines than Apple. They're putting a bigger dent in the universe than Apple, except in your mind.

  12. Re:What was left out of the video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Steve Jobs has enough balls to cream 300 people in one session? That's almost enough to get me to finally buy a Mac.

  13. Not entirely lost.. by Large+Green+Mallard · · Score: 3, Funny

    I remember seeing this video during high school computing, probably in around 1994 or 1995. I had my powerbook (145!) with me that day, and recorded the bit of steve saying "IBM wants it all and it's aiming its guns at its last rival, Apple". I found the disks with it on a few days ago, but alas, I am still an Apple geek and now I don't have a floppy drive :)

  14. Works for me by pen · · Score: 1

    Just tested... all four torrents work.

    1. Re:Works for me by Feztaa · · Score: 2

      I get a 404.

      LALALALALAA I hate slashdot's post delay timer dealies.... It's a fucking 404 ok? Do you want me to write an essay about it or what?

  15. 1984? 1684? by jrobertray · · Score: 1, Redundant

    From the 4th video, about 55 seconds in, Jobs says:

    "... of the 235 people in America, only a fraction know how to use a computer."

  16. Everyone uses a Mac today! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Haven't you noticed, we all use Macs today. Look at your Dell again, do you see those folder icons? Or how about the arrow cursor thats controlled by that mouse gizmo. The modern personal computer and its GUI was dreamed up at Stanford and MIT, prototyped at Xerox, refined and miniturized at Apple, and mass produced by Microsoft and Compaq and Dell.

    1. Re:Everyone uses a Mac today! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, from your post, I get the feeling we should all buy computers from Stanford and MIT, not just ones that help us get our work done.

      As well, we shouldn't buy the IPod, because we know damn well that apple didn't invent portable MP3 players....

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    2. Re:Everyone uses a Mac today! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple doesn't invent... well not too often... What Apple does is early adopt.

      Macs were early adopters of GUI, 32-bit computing, high-color displays, networking, All in One computers, digital video playback, USB, having CD-ROMs in every computer, wireless networking, CD writers, DVD playback in every machine, 64-bit computing... etc.

      Apple invented non of these technologies. Apple wasn't even the first to market in many cases. What Apple did was make these features come standard, in an entire line of machines. Aside from doing that, the most important part is Apple made these things useable.

  17. Re:1984? 1684? by mboverload · · Score: 1

    ...which still holds true to this day.

  18. Director's Cut by fembots · · Score: 1

    Didn't I warn you guys already?

    1. Re:Director's Cut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you aren't getting any mod points for that little trick, dipshit.

  19. Re:1984? 1684? by who+got+my+name · · Score: 0

    He probably wanted to make it vivid. :) I guess that did not change much with time, the fraction I mean.

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  20. Piece of memorabilia by LiquidMind · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Certificate for gift mac

    anyone still have one of these? i'm sure *some* slashdot vet will have one stached away somewhere. I'm sure they'd be worth quite a bit to a collector.

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    1. Re:Piece of memorabilia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess only people who worked on the creation of the Mac got those.

  21. More Apple Ads over the years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    For fear of slashdotting someone's webpage (over 100MB of QuickTimes there,) and to curb some mindless clicking, I present the unlinked URL. www.uriah.com/apple-qt/index.html

    Someone, mirror it quick.

    1. Re:More Apple Ads over the years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:More Apple Ads over the years by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      He should offer torrents. Never made a torrent but mac client says "generate torrent file" which looks easy.

  22. 1984? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please... Comparing Apple to Orwell is like comparing apples to-- wha?

    1. Re:1984? by snuf23 · · Score: 1

      Actually it was comparing IBM to the totalitarian regime in the book 1984. I always though it was interesting that the Mac which was bringing elightenment was so drab with it's beige color and gray scale screen.
      Interesting now that the PC clone world is filled with all manner of diversity and the Mac is only offered in very particular market driven configurations (i.e. lowest end mini, mid range all in one and high end tower).

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    2. Re:1984? by multiplexo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Interesting now that the PC clone world is filled with all manner of diversity and the Mac is only offered in very particular market driven configurations (i.e. lowest end mini, mid range all in one and high end tower).

      The "diversity" in the PC clone world is skin deep, if even that. Let's look at the "diversity". OK, you do have two different companies making processors, AMD and Intel and they may now have compatible 64 bit architectures. You basically have two companies that make graphics chipsets, ATI and nVidia. You have a few companies making mobo chipsets but it basically boils down to Via, nVidia or Intel. You do have lots of shiny, colorful, craptacular cases and four or five companies making hard drives but for the most important component of the computer you basically have two main families of operating systems, Windoze versions and Linux distros (I don't mean to slight you BSD users, it's a great OS, but it's a drop in the bucket of the PC OS market).

      So what does this "diversity" buy you? Well it buys you a lot of friggin headaches, not as many as it used to, but still a lot more than any advantages that it brings you. Windows does things that Linux doesn't do (it's still a better desktop) and Linux does things that Windows doesn't (it's still a better server and a lot more secure) but the diversity within Linux distros and within Windows versions isn't that great. Having the ability to run Slackware on an AMD64 processor on an Asus motherboard with a Via chipset and an ATI graphics card is not really all that different from having the ability to run Debian on an Intel Pentium 4 on an Abit motherboard with an nForce chipset and an nVidia video card. Is it more "diverse"? Yes it is. Does it really matter? No it doesn't.

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    3. Re:1984? by snuf23 · · Score: 1

      Right because choice is a bad thing. How about this? Since there are all manner of components at all manner of price points you can purchase or build a machine to suit your particular needs and pocketbook. And you have multiple vendors to choose from. So it doesn't matter that I can build the machine I want for the price I want?
      So competition such as AMD vs Intel doesn't matter? It isn't a good thing? Diversity of hardware and diversity of software you can run on it is bad?

      Also do you realize how the Macintosh has capitalized on the commodity PC component market? You would not have your current Macs at that cost if it wasn't for standard PC parts. Let's see:

      PCI bus
      AGP slot
      Standard PC style video (onboard Radeons or AGP cards) with VGA / DVI out
      ATA and SATA drives
      DIMM memory
      USB

      Do you remember the Mac's of the '80s and '90s?

      NuBus
      NuBus video card with Mac video out
      Often times special Apple SIMMs
      SCSI drives
      ADB

      One of the first things Jobs did when he came back on board was to recreate the Mac with industry standard components. This saved a ton of money on parts and on R&D.
      The next thing he did was cut models so you have a few choices. You don't want an overpowered low end Mac or else professionals will slap a 20 inch monitor on it and use it for their work. So what do you do?
      Create an all in one integrated Mac with built in monitor that doesn't jeopardize your high end market.
      Create a high end Mac that is fast and expandable for pros to use.
      And now recently, create an el cheapo Mac with very limited expansion and the previous generation processor. (And for all the people saying you can do pro level work on a Mac Mini - you can, but you would stupid to save your pennies there when the G5 will increase workflow efficiency.)
      On the OS side - Jobs threw out the old Mac OS (good riddance, but it was a difficult and expensive transition for the professional market) and then leveraged the open source community to pack OSX with features. Once again reducing R&D costs. No need to recreate what was already there.
      All very smart marketing decisions by Apple. However, I still can't get a Mac to match my $1500 P4 without spending at least $2500. Why? Because Apple has total price control over it's hardware and will only sell you a computer whose specifications fit into Apple's market stratification. So while Apple may benefit from using commodity PC parts - you - the purchaser only get the choices that Jobs thinks you should have. Call it a benevolent dictatorship but unless his choices are inline with your needs it can be a bummer. How about a G5 iMac without the built in screen? I would pay for that, but I can't buy it.
      And component wise - even OS wise that modern Mac is closer in both hardware and software than any
      Macintosh computer in history. You may as well say you like Aqua, PowerPC and the industrial design. Those are the key differentiating factors.

      And by the way your slam on BSD is pretty silly. Certainly in the server arena BSD is very well deployed (ISPs especially). I use both BSD and Linux on the server side.
      You also left out a few operating systems: MS DOS and FreeDOS (I run FreeDOS for compatibility in Virtual PC with old games), Solaris x86 and of course the greatest of them all SCO UNIX.

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    4. Re:1984? by multiplexo · · Score: 1
      Do you remember the Mac's of the '80s and '90s?

      I do, and fondly. Let's look at the list you posted.

      NuBus

      NuBus was technically superior to any PC bus, including MCA. NuBus was true plug and play, put a card in, reboot your system and install driver software, no bullshit, no fucking around. NuBus was a 32 bit bus and you could have up to 16 cards on the bus, much better than ISA or current PCI implementations without various bridging schemes. MCA had similar specs to NuBus but the stupid configuation hoops that IBM made you jump through (booting off of your special system floppy when you added or removed cards and God help you if you lost the floppy or if it got corrupted) was a huge pain in the ass.

      NuBus video card with Mac video out

      Macintosh video was technically superior to any PC video standard of the late 1980 and early 1990s. Remember what you had back then? 640x480 VGA, 640x350 EGA, IBM's weird ass PGA standard, digital 640x480, that never went anywhere, and CGA. And multiple monitor support? It wasn't even possible on PCs at the time but was trivial on the Mac. I had all kinds of cool video hardware where I worked. Macs used for DTP with 1600x1200 black and white displays, Macs used for simulations with 1024x768 displays (which was high tech at the time) and some Macs that had both.

      Often times special Apple SIMMs

      There were just as many PC manufacturers back then who were doing similar shit. I remember when we had to upgrade several NEC 386s that we bought. The special NEC form factor memory that was required was so expensive that we ended up junking the systems and upgrading to 486s. Most Mac SIMMs were eight bit SIMMS, PC SIMMs were 8 bit with parity. I used to use PC SIMMs in the Macs I supported all the time without any issue.

      SCSI drives

      Technically superior to anything the PC had, unless you went with PC SCSI and wanted to try to get the Adaptec drivers to load into high memory, always a fun process. The Mac was the first computer outside of UNIX workstations that you could connect a CD-ROM to.

      ADB

      Which was technically superior to the PS/2 bus. How many times did you have to replace a motherboard because someone fried it by unplugging their PS/2 mouse while the system was powered up. I did a couple of times. The Mac was transparent, plug in a mouse, a keyboard, a trackball, a bar code scanner, hang them off of ADB and hot-swap devices.

      Was Mac stuff incompatible with the PC in the late 80s and early 90s? Yes, was it better, oh fuck yes it was, it was so much better that it wasn't even worth discussing. I had to support about 150 Macs and 150 PCs at the time. PC support was a total bitch, Mac support was easy, almost trivial. Macs were light years ahead of the PC on networking. Plug an ethernet card into a Mac, drag MacTCP into your System Folder and you were in business. Compare this to trying to get a PC to work with PC-NFS or Novell.

      And when technology moved on Apple was smart enough to move with it. Which company was the first one to adopt USB across their product line? It was Apple. Hell, it's 2004 and that POS $1,500 P4 that you're talking about still has a fucking PS/2 mouse and keyboard port on it. Which company got rid of the floppy drive first? It was Apple. Your P4 probably still has a floppy controller on it. In the name of Satan and Aleister Crowley why? It's 2005, floppies are dead tech. PCI is better than NuBus. Apple saw the writing on the wall and discontinued NuBus in favor of a better standard. Apple also uses IDE drives, but they support firewire across their entire product line as a replacement for SCSI (another first). Apple didn't just use different technology back then for the sheer perverse joy of being different, they did it because the stuff they used was better than the noisome shit that the PC world used.

      As far as jobs leverating open source contributions to OS/X yes he did do that. But the thing that makes OS/X so

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    5. Re:1984? by snuf23 · · Score: 1

      A bit testy are we? My point was that Apple DITCHED all of the proprietary tech which as you note was better. Rather than make a better bus than PCI, a better USB etc. They used commodity parts which only exist because of the PC market. They threw out all of the lovely Apple made it better hardware and noone noticed. They took out SCSI - why? Because IDE is better? How about because IDE is cheaper. So be happy for the PC commodity market and the open source movement - without either of them you couldn't have the Mac you have today at the price point it sells for.

      I'm glad you have found memories of the Macs of the '80s and '90s. I won't argue that the PC hardware was better, and the PC OSes sucked. But so did MacOS.

      Did you love Multifinder? How about having to manually adjust memory settings for each application? How about no preemptive multitasking? How about one app crashes and the whole system eats it? Memory fragmentation?
      My favorite part of all. Troubleshooting MacOS. Oooh look a cannonball! Ooooh type 3 error!

      How about extensions? Did you enjoy working with them? Did you enjoy how one would stomp all over the address space of another? Did you like manually swapping extensions out of the system folder (pre extensions manager) to isolate the conflict?

      Font conflicts anybody?

      Yeah it was a dream OS to work on. Sorry, no thanks I had an Amiga back then. I got to run MacOS on it too for work purposes. In fact it was the cheapest way to run Mac software considering the crazy cost of '80s Macs. Oh yeah and the OS kicked ass. Preemptive multitasking, dynamice memory allocation, GUI and a nice shell.

      BTW it isn't and never was my intent to slam the Mac. I'm just trying to say, hey look you benefitted from the diversity in the PC market. Is that so hard to understand?

      I do have to ask one question - why is it bad to plug a keyboard into a PS/2 port? BTW my "POS PC" has 6 USB 2.0 (there is a header for more, but that's plenty) and 2 Firewire as well as the PS/2 ports. You know what? It even has an RS232 port! What a piece of shit! There are plenty of legacy free PCs available if those ports offend someone.
      Does your Mac have an internal 8 way memory card reader? Can you hold 3 hard drives, 2 optical drives, the useless floppy, memory card reader internally? Oh wait, yeah sorry its better to daisy chain them all over the place with firewire. Just like in the old Mac days when it was better to have a SCSI chain of 6 devices sprawling all over your desk.

      Relax. I don't really understand why you Mac diehards get so bent out of shape when anyone suggests that there is any benefit to using anything besides a Mac. I can understand brand loyalty but blind fanatacism is silly.
      I use Macs, I use Windows, I use FreeBSD and I use a couple of Linux distros. In the past I have also used everything from Apple ][s to Amigas.
      I have yet to find the perfect OS. Some are better than others. Some work better for certain tasks because of the software available. To assert that there is no reason to use anything except one OS be it Mac or Windows or the BeOS for that matter is just stupid.

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    6. Re:1984? by multiplexo · · Score: 1
      A bit testy are we? My point was that Apple DITCHED all of the proprietary tech which as you note was better. Rather than make a better bus than PCI, a better USB etc. They used commodity parts which only exist because of the PC market.

      Dude, you're posting from the clue free zone. Apple used superior technology in the late 1980s, but outside of ADB very little of it was proprietary. SCSI? Apple didn't own that. NuBus? TI would have happily sold you NuBus chipsets. This technology wasn't widely used, and more's the pity, but it was hardly proprietary as say, MCA was (sure, you could license MCA from IBM, but it was priced high to keep anyone from selling systems with an MCA bus that would undercut IBMs PC division).

      They threw out all of the lovely Apple made it better hardware and noone noticed. They took out SCSI - why? Because IDE is better? How about because IDE is cheaper. So be happy for the PC commodity market and the open source movement - without either of them you couldn't have the Mac you have today at the price point it sells for.

      They took out SCSI because the price/performance difference wasn't as great, vis a vis IDE, as it had been for desktop systems. It was a smart move, Oh, and if you need external storage you have FireWire as a replacement for SCSI or you can buy an Adaptec SCSI card if you really need the fastest drives out there.

      I'm glad you have found memories of the Macs of the '80s and '90s. I won't argue that the PC hardware was better, and the PC OSes sucked. But so did MacOS.

      Did you love Multifinder? How about having to manually adjust memory settings for each application? How about no preemptive multitasking? How about one app crashes and the whole system eats it? Memory fragmentation?

      My favorite part of all. Troubleshooting MacOS. Oooh look a cannonball! Ooooh type 3 error!

      Compared to working on any PC based OS at the time MacOS was a dream. You talk about the lack of pre-emptive multi-tasking on the Macintosh, yeah, Windows sure did multi-task well, and those neato Hex codes you got when your box blue-screened were always so informative that tracking down the cause of the problem was a piece of cake.

      How about extensions? Did you enjoy working with them? Did you enjoy how one would stomp all over the address space of another? Did you like manually swapping extensions out of the system folder (pre extensions manager) to isolate the conflict?

      Troubleshooting Mac problems was trivial (assuming that you weren't completely retarded). Want to have fun? Try to get your ethernet card driver, PC-NFS and the Renassance GRX graphics driver for AutoCAD to load into high memory. Remember having to edit your config.sys and autoexec.bat to change the order in which device drivers and TSRs loaded? Yeah, I remember doing that, and I'll never get that time back and while I did have to do similar things on the Mac I spent a lot less time doing it.

      Yeah it was a dream OS to work on. Sorry, no thanks I had an Amiga back then. I got to run MacOS on it too for work purposes. In fact it was the cheapest way to run Mac software considering the crazy cost of '80s Macs. Oh yeah and the OS kicked ass. Preemptive multitasking, dynamice memory allocation, GUI and a nice shell.

      Oh, you're a former Amiga luser, that explains a lot. Yeah, the Amiga was a great system, except for the fact that the GUI was almost as shit ugly as Windows versions 1 and 2. And there weren't any applications for it, and the company was run by fucking idiots, and if you wanted to put a fucking hard drive on one of them you had to pay a price that made Macintosh hardware look reasonable by comparison and there was no way to expand the system unless you used an external chassis (for the 500 or 1000) or had enough coin to buy a 2000 (which gave you lots of slots and perhaps you could even find some hardware that worked in them). Yeah, the Amiga, that platform was a model of open standards.

      BTW it i

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  23. Re:1984? 1684? by delirium+of+disorder · · Score: 2, Informative

    I know its a joke
    but....................

    In 1684 there were well over 235 people in America. Various accepted estimates of the pre-contact (15'th century and earlier) Native population of the continental U.S. and Canada range from 1.8 to over 12 million. Over the next four centuries, their numbers were reduced to about 237,000 as Natives were almost wiped out. In 1684, however, the natives were far from gone and there were already quite substantial european colonial settlements. People forget that european people lived in America for a longer period of time as colonials then as citizens of the USA.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_History_of_t he_United_States

    David E. Stannard, "American Holocaust: Columbus and the Conquest of the New World," Oxford University Press, (1992)

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  24. Mirrors ... by Ninja+Programmer · · Score: 2, Informative
    ... This set again needs more mirrors (I still can't download the torrent files). ...
    What the hell are you talking about? How can people be so damn slow as to not realize how the Coral cache works?

    Just create a raw typical URL for the thing, then write some HTML with the suffix: ".nyud.net:8090" on the end, and like magic you get free, virtually unlimited, and extremely reliable of bandwidth.

    Read about the coral cache here.
    1. Re:Mirrors ... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Informative

      If all slashdot links were coralised, then I might as well not come to slash.
      A firewall outside my control restricts access to basically everything bar port 80.
      If the cache system had been done on port 80, then I could view it, but as it is, its useless to me.

      I doubt I am the only one.
      Also, since I am not behind this firewall all the time, I have clicked other coral links, but tbh, only a very few have ever actually worked well, the rest just hang and lock and have the same errors as the original.
      The only amusing thing is seeing Coral cache the error messages :)

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    2. Re:Mirrors ... by Sc00ter · · Score: 1
      Okay, then just remove the extra cache stuff from the link. If they setup the cache BEFORE it gets slashdotted it should be fine, and since 95% of the people will go to the cache link, that leaves you to leave out the extra stuff from the URL and still be able to get the site.

    3. Re:Mirrors ... by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Coralising after the fact isn't very helpful. If a site is already being slashdotted, the coral servers have the same problems accessing it as everyone else. Even worse are cases where the web server doesn't just slow down, but returns error pages: even if the proxy network once had the article, it's then duly replaced by the most recent version of the page, ie the one with the errors. Since the latter seems to be the rule rather than the exception, coral isn't as useful as it could be. Obviously, the solution would be to coralise everything to start with, with an opt-out preferences option for people who for some reason can't access the coral network.

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  25. Now *this* is a great story by bigirondawg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Let's see, according to the submitter of the story, the page is already suffering from heavy traffic usage... yeah, let's put that on the front page of slashdot! That'll help. :-)

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  26. Hottie by mikeb39 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Steve Jobs certainly had a flair for the dramatic. Bit of a cutie too. Is that bad?

  27. Re:What was left out of the video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, it must have been the other way around... when The Steve speaks, Mac fanatics orgasm.

  28. Re:1984? 1684? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that a small fraction, or a large one?

  29. These require QuickTime right? by ayjay29 · · Score: 1

    Is there any way to download QuickTime WITHOUT installing iTunes?

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    1. Re:These require QuickTime right? by DenDave · · Score: 1

      yeah, get a mac

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    2. Re:These require QuickTime right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get the downloadable version, not the one that installs it from 'da net'.

    3. Re:These require QuickTime right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/standalone /

      You've never been forced to download iTunes to get QuickTime...

    4. Re:These require QuickTime right? by clacke · · Score: 1

      Quicktime Alternative gives you the codecs without the cruft.

    5. Re:These require QuickTime right? by kawika · · Score: 1

      Google for "Quicktime Alternative".

    6. Re:These require QuickTime right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, try downloading this program... whats it called? Damn I forgot... oh yeah! QUICKTIME.

    7. Re:These require QuickTime right? by KenjiFinster · · Score: 1

      Or download the Windows 9x version. It works on NT systems and doesn't include iTunes.
      It worked for me (an absolute newbie), so it will work for you

    8. Re:These require QuickTime right? by tomcode · · Score: 1

      Yes, like most sophistigeeks, he got his share of tail. I'm sure you all can relate, right guys? Wink wink nudge nudge...

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    9. Re:These require QuickTime right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i assume he wants something good.

    10. Re:These require QuickTime right? by The+Wicked+Priest · · Score: 1

      I got tired of QT taking forever to open, or not opening at all, so I associated .mov with MPlayer on my Windows system, just as I'd always used on Linux. Much better.

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    11. Re:These require QuickTime right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what do you suggest he get? Windows?

  30. Yes, and there are two kinds of companies... by Kjella · · Score: 2

    The only place this might be untrue is in regards to the amount of money they can make you spend on their product.

    1. Those that try to mislead, scam, force and lock you in to their product so you have no choice but to give them your money, or you'll regret that you did.

    2. Those that try to provide high-quality, powerful and flexible products at reasonable prices so that people come back for resale after resale.

    Of course, the cynical claim that #1 are the monopolies and #2 are those that aspire to be monopolies. I still have some of that naivism left.

    Kjella

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  31. A problem I have with the SE series by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    I have two, a SE and a SE/30.

    I put a 1.44M floppy into the SE, but it only sees it as an 800K floppy. There is System 6 installed, but the bare minimum on the hard drive. No MS-DOS floppy translator/reader, no Stuffit, etc.

    I have a SE/30 with the 1.44M floppy, but same situation, bare minimum Mac System 6.

    I downloaded the System 7 disk images, but I have no way to create them from an XP Pro PC. Also I did find a Mac formatter, so it made Mac Formatted disks. When I downloaded Stuffit for MacOS, and copied it to a Mac formatted floppy, the Mac complained that the resource fork was missing. So the Stuffit self extracting archive cannot run. I have no idea how to add a resource fork to make it work. Most stuff I download for the MacOS is in that SIT format.

    Both Macs have a BNC Ethernet card, but no driver is installed for them, so I cannot hook them up to my network.

    I got them on eBay a long time ago. Some day I hope to get them to work.

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    1. Re:A problem I have with the SE series by Luigi30 · · Score: 1

      Windows deletes resource forks if files have them. Stuffit files don't need a resource fork, so they're useful to PC/Mac users.

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    2. Re:A problem I have with the SE series by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Se how far you get expanding stuffit files with knoppix maybe ,
      and you can turn a 1.44 (or 1.6) Floppy into an 800K floppy by putting some stickytape over the square hole in the bottom left corner && reformatting.

      Just leaves how to read and write in mac format, hmm....

    3. Re:A problem I have with the SE series by technix4beos · · Score: 1

      Try the serial port and copy what you need over the modem software.

      I remember doing this very thing from two Macs, one an older SE and the other a newer (at the time) PowerPC.

      It'll be slow, but who cares, it will work.

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    4. Re:A problem I have with the SE series by Badfysh · · Score: 1

      Try downloading Stuffit directly to a mac formatted floppy, not your hard drive. I think I remember that working for me.

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    5. Re:A problem I have with the SE series by PipsqueakOnAP133 · · Score: 1

      In place of Stuffit Expander, you can use an old copy of AOL to decompress stuff since they built in Stuffit Expander's capibility into AOL. Now to find a old AOL floppy for mac, and then decompress the stuffit expander SIT or SEA through AOL :) Just opening it through AOL should do it if I recall correctly.

  32. resuscitate your SE by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny
  33. HAHAHAHAHA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Re:Does anyone else find Applephiles creepy? (Score:0, Informative)

  34. Re:1984? 1684? by will_die · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    In 1684 there were well over 235 people in America.
    And here I was thinking that the United States of America did not come into being until the 1700s.

  35. Re:GET SOME PRIORITIES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree. It's one thing allowing crapflooding. It's another allowing child porn. You could get put on the Sex Offenders Registrar for that shit. Well done OSTG, you DICKS.

  36. Offtopic, but I was wondering.. by d_jedi · · Score: 1

    Is there a bit torrent client that does not automatically start seeding once you have downloaded the file? (my bandwidth is capped.. )

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    1. Re:Offtopic, but I was wondering.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what's wrong with just stopping your client after you have downloaded the file in question?

      Timing is everything here ..

    2. Re:Offtopic, but I was wondering.. by micolous · · Score: 1

      That defeats the purpose of BitTorrent, and it's selfish. You can throttle the upload speed in Azureus (and others) quite easily, but expect your download speed to suffer. A limited or outright lack of contribution unfairly penalizes others trying to get the file, who are quite willing to seed. Go and read the introduction to how BitTorrent works, and you understand why everyone needs to seed for BitTorrent to work effectively for everyone.

      If you can't handle helping to seed the torrent, then go download it from one of the overloaded HTTP mirrors.

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    3. Re:Offtopic, but I was wondering.. by d_jedi · · Score: 1

      because:
      a) It's annoying
      b) I'm not always at home once the download completes.

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    4. Re:Offtopic, but I was wondering.. by d_jedi · · Score: 1

      I use bittorrent as a means to an end - to get the file that I want. While I'm willing to upload while my file is downloading (I know how the BT protocol works - you can't download without uploading as well), once I receive the file, I consider my obligation complete.

      Hmm.. maybe I should grab the Azureus source code and modify it to suit my needs..

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    5. Re:Offtopic, but I was wondering.. by timbos · · Score: 1

      I think that Sharazaa offers this 'feature'. You can set it so that it won't offer uploads of the file to the swarm. Fortunately, Azureus allows you to block people who do this...

    6. Re:Offtopic, but I was wondering.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://g3torrent.sourceforge.net/

    7. Re:Offtopic, but I was wondering.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asshole.

    8. Re:Offtopic, but I was wondering.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG, the first AC said exactly what I was going to call d_jedi.

      It's assholes like d_jedi (773213) that kill gorillas so they can use just their hands as ashtrays.

      Okay, it's an improvement on me just calling him the asshold that he is.

  37. Slashcode URL filter? by silence535 · · Score: 1

    Can't the slashcode hackers code a filter that adds a coralized URL with a nice red C icon right next to the original URL?

    Or the other way round, where the link is coralized and the original URL is preserved in a small o Icon link?

    -silence

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    1. Re:Slashcode URL filter? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      I think the problem runs deeper, but I would like something similar available as a preference option (similar to adding domain names to links, offer a mirrored[?] link opener)

      The other main problem with coral is that it only archives the initial file linked, therefore you cannot browse an entire site using coral - any links within the cache are still linking to the original site.

      Coral could be immensely useful for different media types however, like the large movie files occasionally posted on the front page, but if code changes are being made, why not just go full hog and allow a choice of coral, or even slashdot mirrors, or automatic mirrordot mirroring?

      Use something that can still work on port 80 rather than restricting people.

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    2. Re:Slashcode URL filter? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      Whoaaaaaaaaaaaa - it does update the internal links when coralling a site, clicking a follow on will bring up a secondary coralised page.

      maybe its mirrordot that doesn't?

      oh phoey, glad I have my sig :)

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  38. Re:1984? 1684? by delirium+of+disorder · · Score: 1

    Its pritty common to refer to the USA as America....but the term "Colonial America" is also popular, indicating that there was an America before the USA. The actual root of the word is probably cartographer Amerigo Vespucci.

    http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a4_021.html

    That dates "America" to the early 16'th century.

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  39. Re:1984? 1684? by will_die · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Correct.
    But you original post was a deliberate attempt to say that back in the 1600 the current United States of America was responsible with the killing of the natives of that time.

  40. not off topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in the first video the mac called itself insanely great.

    1. Re:not off topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's just for insanely stupid mac fans.

  41. Ah poor bastid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    looks like the mac mob got to ya... Ah well none of these rubes thought to use overrated, so the metamods will have em for lunch... Kiss your moderation ability bye-bye, mac heads :D

  42. Re:1984? 1684? by Robert+Heinich · · Score: 1

    "Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies" by Jared Diamond tries to explain why the Europeans conquered the American Indians rather than the reverse.

  43. Triumph of the Nerds by ubrayj02 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The coming out moment for the Macintosh can be seen in a really great documetary by Robert Cringley called "Triumph of the Nerds" (1995).

    I just Netflixed it, ten years after seeing it for the first time, and the movie has only gained in its relevance.

    In many ways Jobs' work with the Macintosh led to his being fired from Apple. This really was a landmark product, but it just wasn't priced well to compete with cheap IBM clones.

  44. I pay TiVO to get rid of commercials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would I waste time trying to download one.

  45. WTF are you talking about?! by itomato · · Score: 1

    Are you talking about the Pixar box or a NexT?
    FWIG, the PIC ran NeWS, and I have no real understanding of how that worked.

    On the NeXT, the entire purpose of the right mouse button was to provide the menus that normally would exist at the top of the screen on a Mac.

    Menubar at the top of the screen all the time means you don't need to click a button on the mouse to get it to appear - either at the default top left corner of the screen, or you could drag the menu to any location on the screen (preferably grabbing the top-leftmost pixel on the context menu and moving the menu as far off the bottom right side as possible. The menus are always there, but they only appear when you right click.

    Troll, indeed.

  46. Automate it by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    The Slashcode submission system should seed the Coral cache just before posting to the main page.

    I'm afraid the fellow who can't reach port 8090 needs to get off the Intarweb and onto the Internet. Running on port 80 needs dedicated machines.

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    1. Re:Automate it by Ninja+Programmer · · Score: 1

      Well completely automating it is probable not the right answer. Often people will submit a link to a .HTML page, which itself links to the larger file (like a movie) that causes their server to run out of bandwidth.

      The Coral cache will only cache the top-most link -- and its actually left to the HTML author to coral cache the final contents. An example is a page I wrote here:

      Thank you

      The root html file is not cached at all, but its fairly small, so I'm not worried about it. All those pictures though? There ain't no way I would post such a link in slashdot if I had to pay for the bandwidth to serve up those pictures myself!

      So this is really a message to HTML authors and slashdot story submitters.

    2. Re:Automate it by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Well, I think it's safe to say the scenario you outline is always the case - Slashdot always or almost always links to an HTML page which then contains links to high-bandwidth content.

      So any appropriate solution would parse the initial link and seed the Coral Cache with the links contained in that page.

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  47. Re:1984? 1684? by jrobertray · · Score: 1

    No year is going to make that statement be accurate or make any sense -- a total population of 235 and some are computer literate?

    6 is an upside down 9 and I thought it looked good.

  48. Close.. by itomato · · Score: 1

    I don't think you can format 720K HFS disks, though.. DOS, sure..

    You should be able to dd 'em though.

  49. Old Keynote Addresses... ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple has a few Stevenotes available, but does anyone have or know of earlier keynotes out on QT?

  50. No seeds on the 1-4 torrent all day? by damacus · · Score: 1

    Myself and 178 others would sure love to download all these bastards in one punch.

  51. Gay Mac Users? by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    You mean like this group? :)

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  52. Only 235? by musselm · · Score: 1

    At one point in the 4th clip about a quarter of the way through, Jobs says,

    "of the two-hundred thirty-five people in America, only a fraction know how to use a computer."

    He meant to say a higher number, so it's funny 'cause it's not true:)

  53. Well I tried! by Steve+Cowan · · Score: 1

    I tried to download the full zip via torrent all day. No seed. Just now I tried downloading the big zip from two of the mirrors, but neither match the MD5 on the torrent, so I can't seed.

    Somebody dropped the ball on the torrent links for sure. No seed. FWIW the full download links on the right side of the page seem to work.