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Math Awareness Month

An anonymous reader writes: April is Mathematics Awareness Month. Mathematics of the Cosmos is the 2005 theme: Mathematics is at the core of our attempts to understand the cosmos at every level: Riemannian geometry and topology furnish models of the universe, numerical simulations help us to understand large-scale dynamics, celestial mechanics provides a key to comprehending the solar system, and a wide variety of mathematical tools are needed for actual exploration of the space around us."

193 comments

  1. Is it...over? by -kertrats- · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can we come out now?

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    1. Re:Is it...over? by cybercobra · · Score: 1

      Only CmdrTaco knows for sure...
      And if he doesn't stop, we will eat him. I always did like mexican food.

    2. Re:Is it...over? by zaxios · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, this is just a trick to get you to come out. The next story is about donkeys getting elected to the EU parliament and electricuting themselves with flagpoles.

      Stay hidden.

    3. Re:Is it...over? by zaxios · · Score: 1

      electricuting

      Sorry, I had to misspell that word to get into the CmdrTaco persona.

    4. Re:Is it...over? by T(V)oney · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'd stay in. I hear it's going to rain Google Gulp through the night.

    5. Re:Is it...over? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, at least that one might be plausible

    6. Re:Is it...over? by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 1
      No, this is just a trick to get you to come out. The next story is about donkeys getting elected to the EU parliament and electricuting themselves with flagpoles.

      One of these years, some editor will fool us all by posting obviously false dross on April 1st, verifiably true stories April 2nd to lull us into a false sense of security, and then a series of plausible but false stories on April 3rd, culminating in an "APRIL FOOL'S!" headline at 12:01 on the 4th after we've already talked to people/blogged about the stories and made idiots of ourselves.

      And on that day, we will rise as one and kill him.

      (To our glorious lords and editors: Just a joke. We love you guys. Even if you did what I mentioned, we wouldn't hurt you. Much.)

  2. Zonk! by PMJ2kx · · Score: 5, Funny

    You can stop posting the April Foo---oh. It's real.

    1. Re:Zonk! by Adam9 · · Score: 1, Funny

      No, it's actually fake. Go down near the bottom of the page, go to the contact page, then highlight all of the text on the page to reveal the hidden words that say, "Happy April Fools Math Nerds." Quite an elaborate prank.

  3. counting by gmailflows · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think I will spend math awareness month counting. I've never tried to count as high as I could. I could keep a tally each night before sleep. Spend the month trying to count to however high a number as possible...

    1. Re:counting by aixou · · Score: 1

      It'd be way too easy to cheat that way.

      I couldn't sit there incrementing by one integer at a time. I'd go crazy before I did. I'd probably end up counting like this: "10 to the 22nd, 10 to the 23rd, 10 to the 24th... fuck this.. infinity. . goodnight"

    2. Re:counting by Twisted+Grind · · Score: 1

      3706 was where I got to...but then being 6 at the time I realized I had better things to do with my life...like watching stray cats bring dead mice to our doorstep

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    3. Re:counting by SamSim · · Score: 1

      In all honesty, I think the highest I could count (disregarding time constraints) is nine hundred and ninety-nine octillion, nine hundred and ninety-nine septillion, nine hundred and ninety-nine sextillion, nine hundred and ninety-nine quintillion, nine hundred and ninety-nine quadrillion, nine hundred and ninety-nine trillion, nine hundred and ninety-nine billion, nine hundred and ninety-nine million, nine hundred and ninety-nine thousand, nine hundred and ninety-nine. You see, I'm just not sure what the name is for 10^30...

    4. Re:counting by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      ...ten to the thirtieth, ten to the thirtieth and one, ten to the thirtieth and two...

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    5. Re:counting by andy_shepard · · Score: 1

      You see, I'm just not sure what the name is for 10^30...

      Nonillion. Have fun.

    6. Re:counting by Darby · · Score: 1

      "10 to the 22nd, 10 to the 23rd, 10 to the 24th... fuck this.. infinity. . goodnight"

      Not to disturb you sleep or anything, but once you hit that basic infinity, you're far from done.

      Here's a good jumping off point.
      Pleasant dreams ;-)

    7. Re:counting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember doing that when I was younger! I felt really happy when I finally beat that one. The last boss is really tough.

    8. Re:counting by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      up to a huge amount (10^39 I believe) here

    9. Re:counting by canUbeleiveIT · · Score: 0

      Republican Morality: Mass murder good. Loving a person Evil. What sick fucks.

      Liberal Morality: Mass murder (abortion) good. Loving a person Evil (except if the definition of love includes two persons of the same sex and a rodent inserted in the rectum). What sick fucks.

  4. Math? by bryan986 · · Score: 0, Interesting

    We all know there is no need for math.

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  5. Too late for you, Taco by zaxios · · Score: 5, Funny

    Popular Internet website "Slashdot" has ceased and desisted its run of distressingly unfunny April Fool's news entries. Trolls everywhere have reported repeated bouts of jealousy at the power of CmdrTaco to shit all over Slashdot - a capacity whose unhindered, total form had eluded them.

    1. Re:Too late for you, Taco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Young Slashdotter! Tired of unfunny April Fool's stories? I give you.... Maddox!. God bless him.

    2. Re:Too late for you, Taco by Nik+Picker · · Score: 1

      Yes but you do have to admit that there were at least no dupes for the Day. Hmmmmm maybe we can rename April 1st , No Dupes day for /.

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  6. Is it over? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, the date shows 2 April. Dare I consider the madness over by posting?

    Oops. Too late.

  7. Not another ThinkGeek ad!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will it ever stop?

  8. Hey! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Didn't I see you on Sesame Street? here?

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    1. Re:Hey! by glimmy · · Score: 1

      1 Ha Ha Ha
      2 Ha Ha Ha...

  9. PARENT'S LINK WILL HIJACK YOUR BROWSER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    even if you're running Firefox.

    1. Re:PARENT'S LINK WILL HIJACK YOUR BROWSER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not with the new super pop-up blocker.

    2. Re:PARENT'S LINK WILL HIJACK YOUR BROWSER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if you use flashblock.

    3. Re:PARENT'S LINK WILL HIJACK YOUR BROWSER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thanks, I've been wondering how to get rid of the popups that seem to be getting around firefox's popup blocking.

    4. Re:PARENT'S LINK WILL HIJACK YOUR BROWSER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But if you are using Firefox, you should use GPL Flash, which does not open popup windows! (But then again, I think everyone should be running FreeBSD too!)

  10. Move along... by kryogen1x · · Score: 3, Funny

    nothing to see... oh wait, nevermind.

  11. Re:for real news: POPE IS DEAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a simple adblock of "nimp.org" deals handsomely with this troll.

  12. Re:I call bullshit by Rightcoast · · Score: 1

    Bullshit v2.0 No one would give Math a whole month.

  13. April? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought April was Poetry month. Also, Mathematicians of the Cosmos? Where I'm from we call those physicists (either astro- or cosmologists).

  14. woot! by Elote · · Score: 1

    math makes me hard! math chicks make me harder. I think we need a math apreciator appreciation month where math chicks are all over us, yeah...

  15. Re:for real news: POPE IS DEAD by wildchild978 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    see... now that really is funny... what do all you firefox running people think?

  16. uhmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    flashblock.mozdev.org

    my browser is 100% nigger-proof.

  17. Riemannian? by otisaardvark · · Score: 2, Informative

    Most models of the universe are mixed signature, (normally Lorentzian), so they can approximate special relativity in the limiting cases.

    1. Re:Riemannian? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you shower?

    2. Re:Riemannian? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Riemannian geometry" is sometimes used as a catch-all phrase for both Riemannian and pseudo-Riemannian geometry. Besides, the geometry of space is Riemannian.

      P.S. Way to nitpick.

  18. yes.. by xxpor · · Score: 1

    In soviet russia math is aware of you!

  19. Shouldn't it be March? by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Insightful

    what with pi day and all?

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    1. Re:Shouldn't it be March? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pi Day only makes sense in America.

      I think we should have a second Pi Day on 31st April for all countries that put dates in ddmmyy format. That way we can have our 0314XX as well :)

    2. Re:Shouldn't it be March? by Invalid+Character · · Score: 1
      Sorry to burn your pi, but theres no 31st of April :-(

      But if there was an 31st April, all we'd have to do is wait 10 years for 31415

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    3. Re:Shouldn't it be March? by Spock+the+Baptist · · Score: 1

      You mean 31416, as 3.14159265358979 rounds off to 3.1416 if you're using five sigfigs.

      So, we'd have to wait 11 years.

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    4. Re:Shouldn't it be March? by DaveS002 · · Score: 1

      Most think pi are squared but we all know that pi are round and cornbread is square.

    5. Re:Shouldn't it be March? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Pi day should occur once every year. that's why the american date system works so well.. the natual demarcation between the 3 and the 14. I suppose there are a number of ways to divy it up, but none are quite as elegant:
      3.14 -> 3/14 -> March 14
      3.14 -> 3-14 -> third day of the 14th month (feb 3?)
      -> 31/45 -> 45th day of the 31st month (this makes even less sense)
      -> 31-45 -> 31st day of the 45th month
      -> 31-4 -> 31st day of the 4th month (second most elegant by far)

      both 31st day of april and 14th day of march work if your only criterion is to use as many digits as possible to get somewhat believeable dates (leeway granted on 31 of april since some months do have 31 days) 14th of march satisfies the addional criterion that you use the fraction mark as a natural delimiter.

      (Ignoring other, less accurate representations of pi such as 22/7, which translates very nicly into July 22 in the european style dates and is nonsensical in the american style.)

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    6. Re:Shouldn't it be March? by Luke-Jr · · Score: 1

      Except pi is only 3.1415926(...) in base 10. English time doesn't really use any numerical bases, so it doesn't work at all.
      Now, if you use Hexadecimal time, it might be a bit easier to do this...
      Pi in hexadecimal starts off w/ 3.243f maybe day 3 is Pi day and hour 2 that day is Pi Hour... and minute 43 of that hour is Pi Minute... and second f of that minute is Pi Second
      Yay-- too bad we all missed Pi Hour/Minute/Second. Today is Pi day for another b4 minutes though. :)

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  20. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DON'T CLICK THAT LINK. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    even in Opera.

  21. Heh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One, two, three, four, you disgrace three-point-one-four!

  22. Math Apps. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
  23. Math for laypeople by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about pointing out that math is needed to balance your checkbook? That would make people more aware, doncha think?

    1. Re:Math for laypeople by paulbiz · · Score: 0

      You don't need math to balance your checkbook--why do you think we have online banking?

    2. Re:Math for laypeople by Spock+the+Baptist · · Score: 1

      I balance my checkbook by regularly calculating its centroid.

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  24. Re:for real news: POPE IS DEAD by GROOFY · · Score: 0

    We think "What pop-up blocker?", but not at first.

    The first thing we think is "I hate the whole fucking human race."

  25. Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by datafr0g · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can anyone express Slashdot as an equation?

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    1. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by TiggertheMad · · Score: 1

      Slashdot = Idiots + computers?

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    2. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1.04=0

    3. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, how 'bout "The closed integral from negative infinity to infinity of CmdrTaco's sense of humor = 0"

    4. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /.-women=/.

      And, if you're optimistic /.*women=/.

      also holds true. But don't calculate the value of /. from that!

    5. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by nacturation · · Score: 1

      /.-women=/.

      And, if you're optimistic /.*women=/.


      You could also express slashdot as code: /* women */

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    6. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by jlanthripp · · Score: 1

      And, if you're optimistic /.*women=/.

      You're forgetting that anything multiplied by zero equals zero...

      There are no women on slashdot, therefore: /.*women=0

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    7. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 1

      ping = 1.61803399/0

    8. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Funny
      It's been stated:
      The IQ of the group is the lowest IQ of a member of the group divided by the number of people in the group.
      Giving:
      IQ.min / slashdotters = 180 / 800000 = 1x10^-4

      And that's being charitable.

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    9. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by DarthWiggle · · Score: 1

      So:
      Slashdot - computers = idiots?
      Slashdot - idiots = computers?

      And, most disturbingly...
      Slashdot - computers - idiots = 0

      Does that mean this is all there is? Oh god NO!

    10. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Information = 0

      With appologies to those who read the earlier joke story about information not existing ;-)

    11. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      0 * \infty is an indeterminate form and it's not safe to say that it would be zero. I think what you mean is that zero times any finite number is zero.

    12. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by Coryoth · · Score: 1

      I think this really need to be expressed in set theoretic form to make any sense. Try:

      Slashdot \subseteq Idiots \cap Computer_Owners

      Jedidiah.

    13. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps you mean

      S = Project C from (Join over
      (C.owner_name=I.name)(I x C))

      Where slashdot is the set S, I is the set
      of idiots, and C is the set of computers.

      or otherwise known as

      CREATE view slashdot AS
      (SELECT C.* from Idiots I, Computers C
      where C.owner_name=I.name)

    14. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by jlanthripp · · Score: 1

      You got me there...

      But, slashdot is finite, so the equation still holds true :)

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    15. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by Infinityis · · Score: 2, Funny

      sure, you just have to transform to the hackerish domain to do it...

      SlAsh d0T
      5145h d07

      which is obviously a product between a hexidecimal number and a decimal number...

      So we get either
      238E3 in hex, which is gibberish, or
      145635 in decimal.

      Transforming back from hackerish, we get "Lasbes"

      Either this is a misspelling of "Lesbos" (which I would find highly unlikely), or it's the Klingon way of saying "Drink your Ovaltine" (secret decoder ring needed).

    16. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot = (idiots + computers) ^ ((Natalie Portman + hot grits) * goatse.cx)

    17. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1
      yes:

      e^(i pi) + 1 = 0

      RS

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    18. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > 0 * \infty is an indeterminate form and it's not safe to say that it would be zero. I think what you mean is that zero times any finite number is zero.

      No, 0 * x = 0 whichever x.
      0 * infinity only makes sense when computing limits, in which case the notation 0 * inf means "something very close to zero" * "something very big", which is indeterminated.

    19. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by chris_eineke · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, but as a crappily coded perl script... ;-)

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    20. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by woah · · Score: 0

      180 minimum? You're kidding, right?

    21. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      That was a typo - I meant 80. Besides, you wouldn't expect a Slashdot equation to make sense or balance, would you?

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    22. Re:Math Awareness Project for Slashdot by pilkul · · Score: 1

      That's way too generous. Approx. 0 IQ is only about 6 standard deviations lower than average intelligence. (See definition of IQ). A more reasonable estimate would be around -50, which would put us at 10 standard deviations.

  26. April Fools! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ha ha ha, good one! Who in the world would wana appreciate math?

  27. Finally by Omnieiunium · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Finally some real news. Thank you slashdot gods.

  28. Mathematics Awareness Month Theme Essays by Anonymous+Luddite · · Score: 4, Insightful


    "The exponential loss of readership due to posting crappy April Fool's day stories"

  29. Since it's not April Fools... by perspicaciously · · Score: 1

    ...can we mention something else?

    I'm really very glad that the onslaught of gags is over, but if that's all anybody will talk about, there should be a "Slashdot ain't broken no more!!" topic.

    Instead, if you care about mathematics appriciation, go look up something really facinating, like Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%F6del's_incompleten ess_theorem

    I'm tired of jokes today.

    1. Re:Since it's not April Fools... by gordo3000 · · Score: 1

      Or if you want something that will make you think in iteresting ways, why not the proof of why the real numbers are a larger infinite set than the natural/integer/Q numbers and then ask them to find a set that stands inbetween the two in size(of course, this is what Godel's theorem is talking about). It actually leads back to what the parent post is talking about, but gives you a more tangible case of the incompleteness theorem in action.

  30. Possible problem: by StimpyPimp · · Score: 2, Funny

    Math+Awareness=null

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    1. Re:Possible problem: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Therefore,

      Awareness = null - Math

      or in English, Awareness is nothing without Math :)

  31. Fix for gnaa window spawning links by Rightcoast · · Score: 1, Informative

    Open a new window or tab, enter "about:config" to get to the configuration settings.
    Right-click, select "New", then "Integer", and for the name of the value type in "privacy.popups.disable_from_plugins".
    Set this to 2.

    Voilà! The problem seems to be caused by Flash content that launches popups, and this disables that function.

  32. It worked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been aware of mathematics the entire month... at this rate, I'll be aware of mathematics for the entire year, with a possiblity of it extending into '06.

  33. Counting time everyone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    let's start off by counting the number of people who after todays idiotfest "fuck you readers" will not be returning to slashdot. :)
    Hm, I already ran out of fingers...

  34. looks legit to me by lha2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Whois says it's not commander taco (unless he went to hella trouble):

    Server Used: [ whois.pir.org ]

    http://www.mathaware.org/ = [ 130.44.204.33 ]

    Domain ID: D68151192-LROR
    Domain Name: MATHAWARE.ORG
    Created On: 22-Mar-2001 18: 07: 59 UTC
    Last Updated On: 22-Oct-2004 22: 18: 24 UTC
    Expiration Date: 22-Mar-2008 18: 07: 59 UTC
    Sponsoring Registrar: Network Solutions LLC (R63-LROR)
    Status: CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
    Registrant ID: 6075150-NSI
    Registrant Name: American Mathematical Society
    Registrant Organization: American Mathematical Society
    Registrant Street1: 201 CHARLES ST
    Registrant Street2:
    Registrant Street3:
    Registrant City: PROVIDENCE
    Registrant State/Province: RI
    Registrant Postal Code: 02904-2213

  35. Do kids think its cool to say "hella" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It always seems like such a 12 year old thing to say "hella".

    I take it that its generally a shortened "hellacious", but in this case you mean it as "heluva".

    In either event, its just....so.....12.

    1. Re:Do kids think its cool to say "hella" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You aren't from the bay area are you? "Hella" is used universally by teens and young adults (age>12) around here. What is interesting is that no one even notices how much they use the word until they are somewhere outside of the bay area.

    2. Re:Do kids think its cool to say "hella" by lha2 · · Score: 1

      No, I am not from the bay area, but have many friends who were. The usage is infectious.

      It's also fun to say around people from SoCal, who (seem to tend to) get annoyed by the expression.

  36. Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can anyone go to http://abc.go.com/video/player.html, click the Episode 19 recap for Lost, and figure out the direct URL for the Windows Media stream? I know this is offtopic, but I don't know where else to ask. The WMV plugin's not working on my (Mac OS X) computer, and I'd like to see the video. Thanks.

    1. Re:Question by Storlek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The asx file is here, and it eventually points to mms://a36.v9890f.c9890.g.vm.akamaistream.net/ 7/36/9890/v0001/abcvod.download.akamai.com/9890/ media/Primetime/lost_117_recap_joi8_high.asf (get rid of the spaces)

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    2. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you! :)

  37. *spits out cyanide pill* by whitetiger0990 · · Score: 1

    I had this really funny thing I was gonna post if I saw another April Fools post. Well, thanks for ruining it. I'll find something else to post...

    Uhhh why April?

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  38. What is Maths by Bootle · · Score: 0
    I want to know what this whole `Maths' thing is?

    Seriously, is it an acronym or something? "Today we're going to apply a lot of science and maths to this problem." That sentence is incorrect, but I keep seeing `maths' with such usage.

    What is going on? Am I senile?

    1. Re:What is Maths by shobadobs · · Score: 1

      Well how would you abbreviate the word mathematics?

    2. Re:What is Maths by Aardpig · · Score: 4, Informative

      In the USA, 'mathematics' is abbreviated to 'math'. In the UK, it is abbreviated to 'maths'. Since the UK comprises England amongst other countries, and England created the English language, the abbreviation 'maths' would appear to be a perfectly valid -- if not even 'more correct' -- usage.

      Oh, and chaps: it's aluminium.

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    3. Re:What is Maths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American english vs. the rest of the world english.

    4. Re:What is Maths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nonono, we kicked your ass in that war. Remember? That was over spelling.

      I know we told you it was about the other stuff, but we had our fingers crossed when we said that. Just spelling.

    5. Re:What is Maths by Spock+the+Baptist · · Score: 0

      Once again AMERICA prevails.

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    6. Re:What is Maths by mrsev · · Score: 1

      And you took bloody ages....well you are still the spawn of our loins. Many would argue that the best part of you left a stain on the mattress.

    7. Re:What is Maths by quetzalc0atl · · Score: 1

      you may as well be arguing how many fairies can dance on the head of a pin. language is a living code, and subject to change.

      However, since you raise the point, American english has grown to encompass more concepts than UK english, due to the USA's assimilation of a myriad of cultures. American english language dictionaries are usually several hundred pages bigger than UK dictionaries.

      Besides, the USA has far surpassed the UK in intellectual achievement and geopolitical power, so the question of "math" vs. "maths" is largely irrelevant. Maybe it is the British who should change to our language? Someone once corrected me that the word router is actually pronounced "roo-ter". Ok, so how do you pronounce "gout", "trout" or "spout"? Who's language is REALLY more consistent and logical?

    8. Re:What is Maths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rowter wasn't US pronunciation, it is was accented Texan, where Cisco come from

      And if you think that the UK isn't multicultural then you've obviously never been here.

    9. Re:What is Maths by Aardpig · · Score: 1

      American english language dictionaries are usually several hundred pages bigger than UK dictionaries.

      I disagree; I find American English to be a far smaller, poorer language than English English. On top of retaining more Anglo-Saxon words in its everyday vocabulary (for instance, 'spinster' instead of the godawful 'batchelorette', and 'burgled' instead of 'burglarized'), the UK has assimilated a far wider (non-European) mix of cultures than the US has. Don't forget, we've already had our Empire -- and it was a lot bigger than yours.

      If you want to compare the length of dictionaries, then the Oxford English Dictionary makes all US offerings look like pamhplets.

      Who's language is REALLY more consistent and logical?

      Besides, the USA has far surpassed the UK in intellectual achievement

      Since when did consistence and logicality become a metric for languages? Even Latin has irregular words. And US English itself is full of non-sequiturs. Why the fuck do you call plug alley a 'restroom', when it contains a porcelain throne rather than a bed?

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    10. Re:What is Maths by Aardpig · · Score: 1

      Oh, and I almost forgot:

      Someone once corrected me that the word router is actually pronounced "roo-ter".

      Likewise, "route" is pronounced like "root". Or, at least, the American Heritage Dictionary (one of your very own "many more pages" dictionaries) gives this as the principal pronounciation, with "rout" as an alternative.

      Hoist on your own petard. I bite my thumb at you, sir.

      --
      Tubal-Cain smokes the white owl.
    11. Re:What is Maths by LadyLucky · · Score: 1
      Oh, and chaps: it's aluminium.

      Hate to rain in the parade, but the word was first coined by an American, as Aluminum. The British decided that no self-respecting metal could possibly end in um instead of ium, and added the i. Other counter examples such as platinum didn't seem to bother them.

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    12. Re:What is Maths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firstly, Aluminium was named by a British scientist... it's a complicated story. I think the real problem is that Aluminum sounds stupid in a British accent and Aluminium not much better in an American one.

      Anyway:

      Molybdenum
      Lanthanum
      Tantalum
      Platinum

      vs about 80 -iums (including Americium :)

      and 1 undecided, Alumin(i)um

      We should settle this by renaming all the rogue ones. Molybdium, Lanthium, Tantium and Platium...

    13. Re:What is Maths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who's language is REALLY more consistent and logical?

      The Turks', but that's neither here nor there...

    14. Re:What is Maths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate to break it to you, but most of us Americans are not of British descent.

  39. CERT reports staggering drop in internet traffic by Scott7477 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "CERT team notices amazing drop in internet traffic this April 1, goes into panic mode until it is determined that the traffic drop is due to lack of Slashdot clickthroughs. Apparently, no one clicks on links to article posts on April "Fools Day." Meanwhile, Vegas bookies giving odds on first site to be slashdotted when normal posts resume, give 2 to 1 that it will be site linked by slashdot sometime in the last two weeks."

    --
    "Lack of technical competence coupled with the arrogance of power, as usual, leads to no good end."
  40. Celebrate with a Good Book by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 4, Informative

    I plan to celebrate April (and May, and possibly June) by reading Roger Penrose's The Road to Reality an entertaining tome of but 1100 pages that purports to teach the reader all the math he needs to understand modern physics. Penrose is the ultimate optimist, but I must confess, I'm having difficulty after only chapter 8 (Riemann surfaces and complex mappings) of 34. Maybe, if I don't pay too much attention to the math, I'll breeze right through it. But then, that would defeat the whole purpose of Math Awareness Month.

    1. Re:Celebrate with a Good Book by derek_farn · · Score: 1

      I'm impressed that you got to chapter 8. It has the feel of a book that provides a useful summary and personal insights for those who are already familiar with the maths it contains. I have just donated my copy to the local library. It will be interesting to see how many people borrow it over the comming year.

    2. Re:Celebrate with a Good Book by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Grad school helps.

  41. Where to go from here? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I came "this close" to completing a math minor. I recently read Zero: The Biography of a Dangerous Idea and became interested in picking up where I left off. Upon the recommendation of the math department head at the school I graduated from, I bought a textbook on topology and have been reading that at night before I go to bed.

    Any suggestions on what to tackle next? I really liked set theory, Boolean calculus, and so on (which means the topology book has been really enjoyable so far). My main goal is to be able to read the occasional article on higher math that filters through Slashdot, and the various interesting-looking physics books I find when I make it in to a city with a real bookstore (the best my town has to offer is a Hastings).

    I know that the real answer is "whatever I'm interested in", but I haven't been exposed to enough math beyond multivariate calculus to know what I'm interested in. Was there any class you took or book you read that made you look at the world differently or left you hungry for more?

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    Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    1. Re:Where to go from here? by sfcat · · Score: 2, Informative
      Was there any class you took or book you read that made you look at the world differently or left you hungry for more?

      For the layperson, number theory and permutations are very accessible and interesting. These areas of math don't require alot of prior knowledge of obscure topics, formulea, or theories that won't really interest most people. Plus, there is a possibility (albeit a very slim one) that you could solve some interesting problem whereas most types of math require alot of topic specific knowledge just to understand the problem, let alone solve it.

      --
      "Those that start by burning books, will end by burning men."
    2. Re:Where to go from here? by rsilverman · · Score: 5, Informative

      Some of my favorites:

      "Topics in Algebra" by Herstein

      "Topology" by Hocking and Young [Dover]

      "Counterexamples in Topology" by Steen & Seebach [Dover]

      "A Mathematical Introduction to Logic" by Enderton

      "Galois Theory" by Stewart

    3. Re:Where to go from here? by kfg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bell's "Men of Mathematics" is not to be missed.

      KFG

    4. Re:Where to go from here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read "What is Mathematics?" by Courant.

    5. Re:Where to go from here? by Coryoth · · Score: 3, Informative

      Given a good grasp of topology, and presuming you enjoy that, a couple of directions to aim for are Differential Geometry (which gets you a nice understanding of General Relativity, the shape of the universe, and that sort of thing), or if you want to head in a more pure direction, Algebraic Topology. Both those topics are "hard" in the sense that they may require material from other fields, advanced calculus for Differential Geometry, modern algebra for Algebraic Topology. Both are interesting topics in their own right though, and it should be easy enough to pick up a textbook on one of those for some background reading before starting in on your topic of choice.

      Jedidiah.

    6. Re:Where to go from here? by Coryoth · · Score: 1

      Actually noting that your Topology textbook is from the Dover series, you might want to try Ian Stewart's Concepts of Modern Mathematics which is a pretty good survey of the field, and would give you a nice sampling of the possible topics you could delve into further. If your not a mathematician, but want a good, and serious, explanation of some of the more advanced topics available, it's a great book.

      Jedidiah.

    7. Re:Where to go from here? by siwelwerd · · Score: 1

      If you haven't taken an analysis class, I found real analysis to be quite interesting (particularly if you like set theory). Complex calculus (and complex analysis) also gets pretty interesting. I actually just finished a book called "Fermat's Enigma" which isn't too heavy on the actual math, but does an excellent job explaining the history and solution of Fermat's last theorem.

    8. Re:Where to go from here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second "Men of Mathematics," which is one of the most remarkable set of biographies ever written; the summaries are priceless.

      Add to that "Proofs from the Book," which, though not a subject book, will show you the coolest proofs ever written.

    9. Re:Where to go from here? by littlem · · Score: 1

      I think parent was looking for a Funny mod. At least I hope so. Hocking and Young will make your toes curl, and none of the list are what you'd call classics of mathematical exposition.

    10. Re:Where to go from here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are now many good sources. One that includes dozens of books on various areas is the MAA (Mathematical Assoc. of America) Carus Monograph series, which publishes expository treatments of advanced topics.

    11. Re:Where to go from here? by rotenberry · · Score: 1

      I recently read and enjoyed "Mathematics" by Keith Devlin (revised and enlarged edition, March 15, 2001). Each chapter is a readable discussion of an important 20th century mathematical theorem: Four color map theorem, Fermat's last theorem, etc. Since so many important results have been found in the last century, it is not a short book.

    12. Re:Where to go from here? by 10am-bedtime · · Score: 1

      check out zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance by robert m. pirsig. it is nice book if you're given to wondering where and/or how to wander.

    13. Re:Where to go from here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      do the group theory (and ring theory) needed for proving 5th order polynomials have no general solution in closed form.. ie galois theory
      very satisfying
      or something easier... calculus of variations.. understand how to derive the euler-lagrange equation and how to use it... totally mindblowing.. like calculus all over again ;)

    14. Re:Where to go from here? by Stridar · · Score: 1


      Seeing as that your background is less than that of a math major, I would suggest you continue to pursue breadth instead of detph at this point. A undergraduate level text in graph theory or combinatorics would be a good choice for a next step, as would an introductory text on probability.

      Once you see the major topics available and if you are still interested, then it is time to study a single topic from the undergraduate to graduate level.

    15. Re:Where to go from here? by musselm · · Score: 1

      "A Mathematical Introduction to Logic" by Enderton

      At first, I read that as "Induction". Just got back from a conference:)

  42. Math Does Not Exist by lousyd · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Mathematics is at the core of our attempts to understand the cosmos at every level

    Ha! April Fool's! That's obviously not true.

    --
    If aspiration is a virtue, achievement cannot be a vice.
    1. Re:Math Does Not Exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that should be porn, right?

  43. between high school and doctorate by slothman32 · · Score: 1

    Are there any books/sites/et al that start from "simple" math like advanced trig and go to the highest forms? So far most places I go start at a certain place, like Wolfram's site, and go up.
    If you don't know exactly what they mean it is basically useless. I even know the general ideas of stuff but then they add more.
    E.g. they give a page on conic sections. We all know that. But then they add stuff like R and sets and other things but miss the stuff in between.
    It's like they have high school stuff and doctorate stuff with nothing in between.
    Even some college books I have either stop too short or start too high. It's like trying to learn relativity with only simple calculus.

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    Why don't you guys have friends or journals?
    1. Re:between high school and doctorate by kromozone · · Score: 2, Informative
    2. Re:between high school and doctorate by Kryft · · Score: 1
      Are there any books/sites/et al that start from "simple" math like advanced trig and go to the highest forms?


      I'm afraid you won't find a book like that; see below for a lengthy attempt at explaining. ;)

      That said, one book that could shed light on "stuff like R and sets" and some other basic building blocks is Daniel Velleman's "How To Prove It": http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0521 446635/qid=1112438460/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/102-4829 164-6397761?v=glance&s=books&n=507846.
      It won't tell you everything you need, but it's a start.

      So far most places I go start at a certain place, like Wolfram's site, and go up.
      If you don't know exactly what they mean it is basically useless. I even know the general ideas of stuff but then they add more. E.g. they give a page on conic sections. We all know that. But then they add stuff like R and sets and other things but miss the stuff in between. It's like they have high school stuff and doctorate stuff with nothing in between.


      First let me say that however much mathematics you learn, you'll never completely get rid of the phenomenon you describe. The stuff you understand will always be but a drop in the ocean of stuff that's way over your head. The more you learn about a particular branch of math, the more unanswered questions you will find, and the more connections you will see to other branches of math that you know nothing about. It's a bit like trying to learn to know people: you could spend a lifetime studying just one person, but there are six billion of them, and they interact with each other. You might as well learn to enjoy the feeling of cluelessness, because it's not going away. ;)

      That said, there is probably no individual subject that you can't understand if you have the time, inclination and resources to study it. What you seem to lack at the moment is a part of the resources, namely the 'basic higher math' that serves as your map and compass on the above-mentioned ocean of stuff that's over your head. It's hard (at least for me) to compile a list of everything that should be included in 'basic higher math', and that's probably one of the reasons it's hard to find one book or even a few books that would cover all of it. The "stuff like R and sets" you mentioned is definitely a part of it, though.

      Another, related reason why you probably won't find one book that covers everything is the interaction between different branches of mathematics that I mentioned above. 'Basic higher math' contains the basics of the few most important branches, and they all depend on each other to some degree. You can't just learn everything (all the basics) about one branch and then move to the next one. You'll start with one branch, but at some point you'll hit a wall that you can't get past without studying some of the other branches. So rather than first learning everything about calculus and then moving on to everything else, you'll learn a bit about calculus, then a bit of everything else, then a bit more of calculus, then a bit more of everything else, and so on. It would be hard (though perhaps not impossible) to write one book that would have everything you need to know presented in the order you need to know it.

      It would probably be easiest if you could take math at a university somewhere. That's what I did. :) If you can't, you could try to look at some of the introductory math courses (ie., ones that don't have other courses as prerequisites), and buy the books they use and plod through them on your own. That route will probably feel more difficult, at least at first, but it can certainly be done.

      Whatever you decide, good luck!
    3. Re:between high school and doctorate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are there any books/sites/et al that start from "simple" math like advanced trig and go to the highest forms?
      There are places specialised in providing this kind of information. They are called universities.

      Of course you can read textbooks on your own, but do not expect that to take less time than it takes students, ie several years.

    4. Re:between high school and doctorate by anechoic · · Score: 1

      I highly recommend this book as both an educational tool and a reference book for any math-geeks bookshelf:

      'Mathematics: From the Birth of Numbers'
      Jan Gullberg

      http://tinyurl.com/633y2

      you can find used copies on AmazonUS for ~ 14 dollars US - I haven't checked other online sources for non-US but I'm sure you can find them used for less than 20 euros or equivalent

  44. "Calculus is just a theory!" by tenzig_112 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh, God. Have you seen this one?
    The evolution/creationism debate has gone to the next level in a small Pennsylvania town

    Summary for the link deprived: Parents are furious with a math teacher for refusing to present Biblical cubit-based mathematics alongside higher math concepts, and not allowing children with strong faith objections to opt out of certain classes. They also want textbooks to carry warning stickers: Calculus is just a theory and not mentioned anywhere in the Bible.

    1. Re:"Calculus is just a theory!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, they've already got Christian mathematics. Seriously. I kid you not.

    2. Re:"Calculus is just a theory!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some very smart mathematicians don't believe that the main tenants of calculus have been proven rigorously. They reject some of the axioms needed to give calculus a solid basis.

    3. Re:"Calculus is just a theory!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zermelo-Fraenkel-Life?

    4. Re:"Calculus is just a theory!" by riker1384 · · Score: 0

      Can you provide any citations regarding this? Thanks.

    5. Re:"Calculus is just a theory!" by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Before anyone gets too worked up, note that the first mentioned antogonist is "Holly R. Thanthow". I leave you to draw your own conclusions. :-)

      --
      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    6. Re:"Calculus is just a theory!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ... don't believe that the main tenants of calculus have been proven rigorously.

      Has anyone asked the landlords of calculus?

  45. Hmm... by Oyume · · Score: 1

    April is Math Month?

    Huh. That figures.

  46. Math not used to understand galaxy rotation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cosmologists have no idea what is keeping galaxies from flying apart, since the 400 billion stars in a typical galaxy don't provide sufficient mass to generate enough gravity. Rather than the mathematical solution of MOND (MOdified Newtonion Dynamics) being the dominant theory in cosmology, cosmologists prefer dark matter voodoo.

  47. Perhaps people here would be more interested by kevinatilusa · · Score: 1

    in last year's topic on the mathematics of (mostly large scale) networks. http://www.mathaware.org/mam/04/index.html

  48. Topology Text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you're really interested, and have a little more background, you should read Hatcher's "Algebraic Topology." It's available free at his home page.

    1. Re:Topology Text by Coryoth · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'll second that, Hatcher's is a great book on algebraic topology which is, in itself, a vastly interesting topic. You'll need some background in modern algebra. If you don't have that, there are plenty of good textbooks in it. I always quite liked the one by Fraleigh (A First Course in Abstract Algebra), but your taste may differ.

      Jedidiah.

    2. Re:Topology Text by nicolas_bourbaki · · Score: 1

      I agree. This book is wonderful, and it's free!! I can't help but compare it to books by Rudin which cost more than 100$. They're great, but hardly affordable. On algebra, Serge Lang's Algebra is said to be the best; so far, I haven't found any that I like (got my worst grade in Galois Theory).

  49. The icons? by The-Perl-CD-Bookshel · · Score: 1
    I love those non-dithered text made in MS Paint look alike icons. A 12kb JPEG shouldn't have any sharp edges. To their point, there are a lot of different shades of green. However, they couldn't spare a couple shades of grey to make the letters look the least bit smooth?

    Sure to add a touch of class to any web site.

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    I don't keep a lid on my coffee so when I walk around I look busy -me
  50. Not any different here in the US now post 911 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only here the corporations filter data derived from spying on its citizens before passing it on to the goverment (for a tiddy profit on no bid contracts of course).

  51. Re: Thats easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ./ = BS * .9995

  52. Math Apps-II by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Merlot

    SMETE

    ["An Agent-Based Architecture
    for Supporting High-Level Search Activities
    in Federated Digital Libraries
    for Computer Science"]
    Daffodil*

    *Just a fancy way of saying a front-end to online libraries.

  53. Hooked on about:config worked for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    thanks

  54. Protests at Math Awareness Month by dangitman · · Score: 4, Funny

    A large group of Irrational Numbers picketed this month's Math Awareness Parade. Waving reams of perforated computer paper, they screamed "We're here, we're queer, get used to it!" and spitting on passing integers.

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    ... and then they built the supercollider.
  55. but what if... by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1
    the cosmos isn't mathematical?

    What if, deep down, it's just completely arbitrary?

    I haven't seen any compelling proof that the cosmos IS mathematical. I've seen math able to model things to a great degree of precision, but it never seems "perfect", and there always seems to be someone coming along every so often and spins everything upside down.

    I have more sense than to think this is an opening for metaphysics - on the contrary - that said, I do frequently wonder what will happen in a post-mathematical phase of human understanding ofthe cosmos.

    I'm so wrapped up in and surrounded by the mathematical model, that it seems irrefutable. But a look at history provides a proud narrative of ingenious folly.

    It's an interesting question....

    RS

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    Shoes for Industry. Shoes for the Dead.
    1. Re:but what if... by myukew · · Score: 1

      the answer is 42. sounds pretty mathematical to me.

    2. Re:but what if... by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

      Except with statistics, deviation from the mathematical model can itself be described through mathematics.

      But I would argee with you that the universe is probably not "fundamentally" mathematical. Instead, mathematics is just a really useful tool for describing things.

      --
      "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." -- Hanlon's Razor
  56. Only in Math by Zenmonkeycat · · Score: 1
    I appreciate mathematicians almost more than I appreciate math itself; only they would be able to develop the idea, first, of a quantity so large as to be boundless, and then hit on the idea that there are small infinities (like the sum of all real numbers between zero and one) and large infinities (like the sum of all real numbers.)

    For some reason, I was the only person in my math class who thought that was even remotely kickass. Hmm.

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    I yearn for you tragically,
    A.T. Tappman, Chaplain, U.S. Army.

    1. Re:Only in Math by cfromg · · Score: 1

      the idea that there are small infinities (like the sum of all real numbers between zero and one) and large infinities (like the sum of all real numbers.) Set theory deals with different orders of infities, ie there is the notion that even though two sets are infinite, one might be larger than the other. However, I have never heard of any way in which the sum of all reals between zero and one or the sum of all (positive? :-) real numbers could be assigned a useful value such that the latter would be greater.

  57. suck a big gay dick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol

  58. Be aware it's MATHS not Math! by Forget4it · · Score: 1

    Be aware it's MATHS not Math!
    at least on this side of the pond.


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    Artificial intelligence is the study of how to make real computers act like the ones in the movies.
  59. Math teaching tools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    WIMS and FREEDUC from http://home.btconnect.com/chrisandcarolyn/torrents / are lovely Live Linux CDs for math and other education. WIMS comes from University of Nice, France, and is available online at http://wims.unice.fr/ as well.

    The Live Linux CDs run under Windows, too, like 'winknoppix' does. All enhancing choices !

  60. take some more classes by xlurker · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I don't know how old you are or what level classes you referred to, but if you really liked it that much, then take some more classes. If you're good enough at it, then you will really like:

    Analysis, Number Theory and Function Theory

    Like any other discipline, once you grasp the basics , admiring the cleverness and hacks of the people in that discipline can be very awe inspiring.

    Math is an intimidating discipline, usually because many things have to be thought out thoroughly. Proofs can sometimes be very long. An incredible part is when you find or learn about alternative proofs. The ones that are only a few lines, that at the core contain a clever new idea that for some strange reason had eluded everyone for ages.

    In a way math and mathematical proofs are like lock-picking. In the worst case you have to use a drill or explosives, in the best cases - the cases that are always hoped to be found - the are ways to open the vault by listening, maybe using a magnet or string and giving it a final kick.

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    1. Re:take some more classes by solafide · · Score: 1
      ABSOLUTELY! Number THeory is one of the BEST subjects around!

      Proofs are so beautiful when done right, and I am good at them. I'm 4th best in my state at proofs. But anyway, if I had mod-points, I'd go on and give it another Interesting. It is a great post.

  61. Be careful by Nybble's+Byte · · Score: 1, Funny

    Calculus and alcohol don't mix: don't drink and derive.

  62. what if, what if, what if an apple!=an apple by xlurker · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Short answer: it doesn't matter.

    Long answer: Mathematics is based on the basic rules we have inferred from observing reality. If somehow reality changed, then we would infer other basic rules.

    IOW Mathematics is about inferring basic rules and then building on top of these rules to come to (interesting) conclusions.

    There will always be certain basic rules as long as you are in a system where you can make differenciable observations.

    What you asked is a bit philosophy and a bit silly and unfortunately in the tone of anti-science ideologues (sorry).

    I'll explain:

    • I haven't seen any compelling proof that the cosmos IS mathematical.

      What is that supposed to mean?!
      Mathematics is not a religious ideology or cult. It is a though process. Reality simply "is". No matter what you're compelled to believe in, reality will not change.

    • ... happen in a post-mathematical phase of human understanding ofthe cosmos.

      what is that supposed to mean!?
      "post-mathematical" phase... that might be something somebody would say that has no idea what math is .... I already explained the basics on the top. As long as people will be setting up rules to live with reality, they will be practicing math. After that, it's all just a matter of who has the better math.

      If someone always gets shortchanged at the market-place of reality because their "post-mathematical" view of the reality of counting credits is farther advanced than the grocers, then they aren't going to get very much farther on the enlightment road. They also aren't going to get very far in a space ship in cold vacuum if they can't model harsh reality well. There is no such thing as debating, convincing or coming to a consensus with reality. It is does what it does and doesn't care what you think.

    • I'm so wrapped up in and surrounded by the mathematical model, that it seems irrefutable. But a look at history provides a proud narrative of ingenious folly.

      I really don't know what to think... are you being pleasantly open-minded and just wondering out loud or (I've heard this kind of talk before) do you have an anti-scientific agenda to push here?

      If our models or reality are wrong, then they will simply be adjusted to fit reality better. But the though process, the process of trying, testing, proposing, refuting, accepting or even simply calling BS will always stay.

    Netwons models of force and gravity turned out to not always work. We still use them because they usually work well enough. In the extreme cases Einsteins modifications of his models are used.

    Did science change after modifying the models? No. The process of science was to change the models because the modifications worked better.

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    1. Re:what if, what if, what if an apple!=an apple by DaoudaW · · Score: 1

      I'll explain: * I haven't seen any compelling proof that the cosmos IS mathematical. What is that supposed to mean?! Mathematics is not a religious ideology or cult.

      As Einstein said, "I don't believe in mathematics. I believe in God. I trust mathematics." Science (or math) can never prove a theory definitively. The possibility of an alternative, better theory is always open. But the usefulness of a theory is based on how well it models known phenomena and this we can trust.

      * ... happen in a post-mathematical phase of human understanding ofthe cosmos. what is that supposed to mean!? "post-mathematical" phase... that might be something somebody would say that has no idea what math is ....

      Actually most people could be accurately described as being in the post-mathematical phase in understanding the cosmos. They accept the model, but have almost no understanding of the math that created the model. The problem with this is that the model becomes the object of trust, rather than the math itself. Then as the math develops and refines/changes the model, the model appears to be untrustworthy.

      * I'm so wrapped up in and surrounded by the mathematical model, that it seems irrefutable. But a look at history provides a proud narrative of ingenious folly.

      Ooh, nice oxymoron! Ingenious or folly, but never both. Ingenious and wrong, now that's possible. The nature of mathematical models assures us that we'll get alot of things wrong along the way. But don't mistake that effort as foolish, but view it as a necessary part of the process that advances understanding.

    2. Re:what if, what if, what if an apple!=an apple by cfromg · · Score: 1

      Mathematics is based on the basic rules we have inferred from observing reality. If somehow reality changed, then we would infer other basic rules. While this may be true, I am not capable of imagining it. Are you?

  63. I'm aware of math... by thegnu · · Score: 1

    When does the fun start?

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  64. Special Math Rules by Primal_theory · · Score: 0

    So does 2+2=5 this month? or is it 4.0004020340654050345?

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  65. Cut the knot: the best Mathematics site by elbow_spur · · Score: 3, Informative

    The best hands-on mathematics experience, hands down, is at

    http://www.cut-the-knot.org/

    The topics are accessible, and often accompanied with applets.

    I've used this material to give math talks to high school kids - they love it.

    Here is a real favourite:

    Make a polygon by picking a bunch of points on graph paper (just the grid intersection points) and connecting these points by straight lines. The spiky looking thing is technically called a lattice polygon. A really cool way to calculate the area is to (A) count the grid points strictly inside the polygon (B) count the grid points lying exactly on the edges and vertices, then do (A)+(B)/2-1 Voila!

    The applet and explanation is here:
    http://www.cut-the-knot.org/ctk/Pick.shtml

    (However, the so-inclined may prefer to fool around with this by themselves, first!)

    There are many^(many) phenomena out there like pick's theorem. Call them math paradoxes, or theorems, or whatever, but there's lots of mathematics that is easy to perceive and is mysterious as anything. Mathematics awareness can begin by first learning about and experiencing these brain bending phenomena, and then SEEKING an explanation.

  66. new age numbers were there too by xlurker · · Score: 1

    There were a lot of irrational nrs there. But, they were nothing compared to all the new-age transcedental hippy nrs hanging around. Woowee they'd never stop spouting of their nrs and flashing you their digits.

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  67. Blanket reply to everyone by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

    I really appreciate the suggestions. They all sounded intresting and look like good jumping-off points for further study. Thanks for taking the time to reply, and extra thanks for the fact that no one commented about me keeping math textbooks for nighttime reading.

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  68. Not always possible by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
    I don't know anything about the grandparent's situation, but I can speak for mine. My wife and I moved to a small town (25,000) in Nebraska. We really like it here - the quality of life is wonderful - but one of the tradeoffs is that I'm nowhere near a university with big science college.

    I'd love to audit some classes, and if I lived somewhere that I could, I certainly would. So, I'm in the position that if I'm going to learn something, it's pretty much up to me to take the initiative and start doing it. I'm pretty sure that other people are in the same boat.

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  69. There is no mathematics of the cosmos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Mathematics does not study nature
    2) Astronomy, astrophysics, astrochemistry, astrobiology, etc study the cosmos. Of course, these sciences do use mathematics as a tool (just as a tool) for studying cosmos. The right heading should be 'Mathematical tools used by astro- sciences for studying cosmos'

    We owe a great deal of respect to mathematics, which is an important branch of human knowledge. However, mathematics is not a science because:

    1) It does not study nature
    2) It does not make use of the scientific method.

    No mathematical curriculum contains a topic named 'mathematics of the cosmos'. No university in the world has a class named 'mathematics of the cosmos'. The usual topics are abstract algebra, real and complex analyasis, topology, functional analysis, combinatorics, measure theory, probability, stochastic processes, differential geometry,number theory, asymptotic evaluations, numerical methods, applied mathematics, etc.

  70. Re:I call bullshit by msuarezalvarez · · Score: 1

    Note that the whole year 2000 was dedicated to Math...

  71. First topic for Math of the Cosmos: by tchdab1 · · Score: 1

    ....metric conversions.

  72. 3 + 4 = 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0