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Data Suggests Early Universe was Superfluid
Ted writes "Experiments at the worlds largest nuclear collider, RHIC, at Brookhaven National Laboratory reveal striking new features of the state of the early Universe. With RHICs enormous collision energy, the researchers can create matter that is composed of the fundamental building blocks of nature, quarks and gluons, in a state with temperatures of more than 1000 billion degrees. The Universe is believed to have been in this state in the first microsecond after the Big Bang. Later the quarks and gluons were trapped in the nuclear particles that the visible universe is composed of today.
Until recently, researchers have thought that the quarks and gluons formed a gas. The latest results from RHIC, however, indicate that under the extreme conditions just around the phase transition from quarks and gluons to ordinary matter, the quarks and gluons behaved as a liquid - in fact an almost perfect liquid."
indicate that under the extreme conditions just around the phase transition from quarks and gluons to ordinary matter, the quarks and gluons behaved as a liquid - in fact an almost perfect liquid."
This sfinally proves what I have been trying to explain for years.. the universe was born from a pool of beer!
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Fluidic Space? I knew I saw species 8472 around here the other day!
Of course, all their software is in CVS, so it shouldn't be too hard to check their calculations.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Fluidic space? Sounds like a lot of free time, and a whole lot of Star Trek episodes.
Home come Fark.com headlines appear on slashdot the next day or so ?
Oh, OK, it's archives from yesterday, but I'll bet I'm the only person who put a California surfer accent to the story...
Now I can eat my cornflakes in the morning without one less thing to worry about during the day.
I have often wondered if the entire universe is just liquid. From solids being ultra dense to gas being low dense. But since it is a fluid, momentum most always be conserved.
If time is a continuous loop that gets reborn, then it may all come from some goo (I think it was soup) I spilled in my school cafeteria back in the day. On the other hand, I would not have called it super fluid
in fact an almost perfect liquid - I knew it! The universe was created from a shot of vodka!
You can't handle the truth.
http://www.bnl.gov/RHIC/black_holes.htm
From the above URL:
Horatiu Nastase, a member of the high-energy physics theory group at Brown University, has written a paper, posted on the preprint website arxiv.org, in which he claims that collisions at Brookhaven's Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) produce the analog of a black hole.
Horatiu is referring to a mathematical similarity between the physics of the real world, which govern RHIC collisions, and the physics that scientists use to describe a theoretical, "imaginary" black hole in a hypothetical world with a different number of space-time dimensions (more than the four dimensions -- three space directions and time -- that exist in our world). That is, the two situations require similar mathematical wrangling to analyze. This imaginary, mathematical black hole that Horatiu compares to the RHIC fireball is completely different from a black hole in the real universe; in particular, it cannot grow by gobbling up matter. In other words, and because the amount of matter created at RHIC is so tiny, RHIC does not, and cannot possibly, produce a true, star-swallowing black hole.
This does not mean, however, that RHIC cannot study some of the phenomena that happen in the vicinity of black holes, as explained in a paper we wrote with Kirill Tuchin, also of Brookhaven's theoretical nuclear physics group. The explanation for this begins with Einstein's "Equivalence Principle," which states that gravity and acceleration (or deceleration) are actually equivalent forces. The principle explains why a person going up in an elevator feels slightly heavier, just as they would if gravity on Earth were stronger.
In the same way, the rapid deceleration of RHIC ions as they smash into each other for a very short period of time (about 10^(-23) second) is similar to the extreme gravitational environment in the vicinity of a black hole. This means that RHIC collisions should emit a bunch of thermal particles similar to the "Hawking radiation" emitted by a black hole. Since Hawking radiation is the cause of black hole decay, not formation, its existence would be yet another reason that RHIC cannot produce a real gravitational black hole.
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"According to that most famous of sages, Douglas Adams, the Jartravartids believe that the entire Universe was, in fact, sneezed out of the nose of a being called the Great Green Arkleseizure. They live in perpetual fear of the time they call the Coming of the Great White Handkerchief..."
You know, there's something I always wondered...
Why isn't the universe uniform, why does it have those awkward clusters of mass like milky ways and stars?
Does it have something to do with expanding faster than the speed of light? (and the resulting lack of communication between particles I guess)
the universe was formed from Guinness, a truly super fluid.
Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
What truth?
There is no dupe
"...an almost perfect liquid."
Well, that just clearly rules out any possibility about the beginning of universe being two liquids.
"Don't let fools fool you. They are the clever ones."
... Astroglide?
The big bang theory gained more credibility today with some news released by the National Science Foundation and collaborated by a United States team called Maxima with astronomers from the University of Minnesota and the University of California, Berkeley.
The soundwaves that were found are an impression of quantum scale energy fluctuations carried to earth by cosmic microwave background radiation. Scientists were able to measure the waves by looking at cosmic microwave background (CMB). These early soundwaves are thought to have created super and giant clusters of galaxies with their travel. The soundwaves are actually contained in primordial plasma. They are effectively overtones or harmonics of the big bang explosion that is said to have created the universe.
These soundwaves are important because they show two things that are important for understanding our universe in addition to solidifying the big bang AKA inflationary thoery.
# First of note is that the study indicates that the universe is geometrically flat, not curved. # This study also gives credence to the thoery that most of the universe is composed of dark matter.
The discoveries were made by microwave detectors in Antartica, using baloons. The study involved only about 3 percent of the sky, and looked at temperature fluctuations of only 100-millionths of a degree celcius in the CMB.
But is there really a point to this?
I'm serious. What is the scientific benefit that we can gain from understanding what the universe was like for a microsecond? I'm honestly curious: is there a practical application to this sort of study?
I am scientifically inaccurate.
I read Lee Smolin's book Three Roads to Quantum Gravity over Xmas and thought it was a good read. It provides a good overview to string theory and the inherent problems and proposed solutions.
"Academicians are more likely to share each other's toothbrush than each other's nomenclature."
Cohen
Yeah...but what is a hotdog made of?
Nah... I'm incredibly glad I'm not in charge of finding out anything of importance of this magnitude. MAJOR props to anyone willing to go through those college courses to get the job positions to enable them to find out this cool stuff and share it with the world.
I sell out to The Man every day.
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3: And God said, Let there be light: and there was light
6: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
"the quarks and gluons behaved as a liquid - in fact an almost perfect liquid."
"The Universe is believed to have been in this state in the first microsecond after the Big Bang"
9: And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
"Later the quarks and gluons were trapped in the nuclear particles that the visible universe is composed of today"
Almost enough to make one a scientific believer. Finally, science is coming close to the Truth!
(Please mod +5 troll lol)
Splendid, Mr. Data. Continue with your research. Dismissed.
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In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.Genesis 1:1-2.
The term fluid applies to both states of matter. I'm thinking the proper term for the universe would be superliquid.
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Superfluid means more than low viscosity. Specifically, it indicates that the fluid is a degenarate Bose system, which the quark-gluon whateverthefuckitis is not. But the article submitter probably reads science articles in Wired and the NYT, and thinks he can throw the cool-sounding jargon around without anybody noticing that it's bullshit.
Bugrit! Millenium hand and shrimp!
If the universe is ~6.8 billion years old,
how can we see things that are 40 Billion light years away?
Why you whippersnappers! I remember before we had Data suggesting superfluid universes we had Spock. Spock was always solid and reliable. Spock taught us how to be people none of this gibberish about the beginnign of universes... Why at Amok Time he said, ""It is undignified for a woman to play servant to a man who is not hers." -- and that's as true now as it was then.
I want a new world. I think this one is broken.
So, lets see if I can distill this down into laymans terms.
If one were to put some Early Universe (tm), into their engines crankcase, it would make it last longer, and get better milage?
Me? I'm skepty-cal...
I mean, with all those gluons in the mix, it seems like it would slow things down, even if it is in fact, an almost perfect liquid (tm).
..more than 1000 billion degrees.
Aw, damn. I always thought it was a hundred gazillion bazillion degrees. Isn't that just 1 trillion to us laymen?
I thought it was SuperFly.
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Compress a gas enough and it behaves like a liquid. (Supercritical fluid) So what is the big revalation here? Look for on slashdot for "Earliest universe ever was a solid!" soon.
Yes, thousands of Billions, because people are too stupid to know that the word Trillion exists?
Well, now I know why nobody is worried about the US national debt. 7 Trillion is, like, practially nothing. Let me know when we get to 7000 Billion and I'll start getting worried. And don't tell me that millions of millions crap - it just gets confusing. Besides, a million isn't as much as it used to be. Inflation, you know.
Hint: after Trillion, the next is Quadrillion, and then (hold you breath) Quintillion. Gosh it's, like, a pattern!
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
It's exotic matter superfluid turtles... ALL the fucking way down!
Fascism trolls keeping me up every night. When I starts a preachin', he HITS ME WITH HIS REICH!
Yeah Ted? Well there is a new Pope in town... And he is pissed! You have, as of late, chosen to acknowledge the existance of: 1- Quarks, 2- Gluons, 3- the scientific method, and worst of all: 4- the "big bang." You are a witch and will be prosecuted as such... just as soon as everyone gets back from the Imax theater.
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what a kick-ass piece of geek gear!!
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But three sentences all meaning the same thing is borderline junior marketing.
Come on...what is all this science crap?
We all know that the answer is creationism. All this "research" is a big waste of money!
"We've got Subfluid, Fluid, and Superfluid!"
"What's Superfluid?"
"Watch this. HEY YOU! JOIN THE UNIVERSE!"
"Eh, why not!"
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What good can possibly come from understanding the weird behavior of cathode rays, or why alpha particles bounce back from whisper thin sheets of Gold? After all, all that we know and need ever know was clearly prayed into existance.
Who could possibly care about explaining the precession in Mercury's orbit and crafting a more complete theory of gravity which might one day describe a universe so vast that at the forging of the theory we can't even imagine it possibility?
It might seem esoteric, and we can make guesses about what these kinds of endevours might make possible. But the truth will likely be stranger if we find the wisdom and courage to see it through. On balance, it is the *most* esoteric pursuits of the past that form the basis of our world today.
Without the photoelectric effect and relativity I can say with some certainty your life would end. That's largely because you're not a hunter-gather who's only opportunity for sweets comes at the expense of bees who're just looking after themselves.
If the past is any kind of guide at all, this is the most important form of exploration we could be doing.
Hey, if you live in Perth (Western Australia), in summer it gets to 1000 billion _in the shade_. Hence no doubt West Aussies apreciation of the super-est super fluid of them all - Beer!
What will be next, ultra-fluid? Then mega fluid and...
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Darn. But only one Universe, so no almost perfect mixer with which to make an almost perfect drink.
"Data Suggests Early Universe was Superfluid"
Yeah but a lot of water has gone under the bridge since then.
Allsquat
for a fluid to be considered perfect, it would have to make you feel better the next day, oh and better in bed that night ;-)
You can get started on that nastygram to Carl Sagan, and the complaint to the Wall Street Journal about the spelling of Google.
This is slashdot. You're lucky you didn't get something like "seven times seventy hogsheads of Canadian pennies."
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However, it may well be possible for solids to exhibit superfluid flow. How? Imagine the flow of a liquid, except that all the atoms in the liquid have a crystal structure, and that entire structure is flowing in lockstep while maintaining a rigid crystalline structure. When Bose-Einstein condensation comes into play, you can have macroscopic coherence of atoms across the entire bulk of material.
Kim and Chan at Penn State claim to have created a supersolid state of matter in helium (and now, hydrogen). It's arguably the biggest experimental result in condensed matter physics right now; if confirmed, it will probably mean the Nobel Prize. However, theoretical studies have so far failed to unambiguously predict the existence of such as state of matter; there are arguments for and against, and the dust hasn't settled. If other experimental groups can replicate these results, we'll know for sure, regardless of whether theory has caught up with nature.
I'm serious. What is the scientific benefit that we can gain from understanding what the universe was like for a microsecond? I'm honestly curious: is there a practical application to this sort of study?
To understand this you first need to abandon your familiar linear timescale, and learn to think about time logarithmically. This is also important for understanding particle decay times as well- strange particles were originally called "strange" because they hung around for 10e-10 seconds instead of the usual 10e-15 to 10e-20 seconds for particles based on up/down quarks. If particle physicists were thinking on a linear timescale, they would just say "gee all these particles are gone in a jiffy!" and we wouldn't have strange quarks today- with all their accompanying technological advantages!
Remember, the few billion years that the universe has been around is going to seem like a really short time 10e60 years from now. The slow-moving beings of that era are going to post to their discussion boards asking why anyone would care about what the universe was like for its first 10e10 years.
that some parts of the early super fluid universe were supercaffeinated?
Tequila?
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Even FARK got this article before us.
Dumbasses.
Something like this superfluid then?
The scientists themselves suggest that the liquid state is one of a number of states that quark/gluon soups can take, but that the early Universe was still most likely a gas.
Further proof, should you need it, that hindsight is *not* 20/20. I fscking hate that cliché; here is my public thanks for this story.
You mean 4 parts gin, 1/2 part sweet vermouth and 1/2 part dry?
Hmmm...martini...
I drank what? -- Socrates
the Spirit of God was hovering over the face
Eeeewwww!!! That's disgusting!
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Then the universe evaporated. Or uh . .. .something like that.
The parent comment is a non-sequitor.
The CMB results have very little to do with the Brookhaven RHIC results. The CMB uniformity tells you nothing about the hydrodynamic properties of the quark-gluon plasma. The CMB does tell you about the electron-nucleon plasma that happened later.
And yes, I am a physicist.
The papers from the RHIC collaborations. The "liquid" state of quark-gluon plasma being discussed is called a color glass condensate.
I heard that Gluon was one of the rejected names for Intel's new kludgy dual core processor. They decided it was a little too close to home..
Stuff like this, for an observer like me, is hard to keep on top of. That wouldn't be a big deal, but I have to teach cosmology at the grad level. There go my class notes again. Dang it!
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Al-Qur'an 021.030 as translated by Adnan Oktar: Do those who are disbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were sewn together and then We unstitched them and that We made from water every living thing? So will they not have faith? Maybe this water refers to quarks and gluons? Again, water being symbolic of course..
"Data Suggests Early Universe was Superfly"
"Let him go, Ralph. He knows what he's doing." --Otto Mann (simpsons)
You mean to tell us that the universe was creted out of bawls?
in fact an almost perfect liquid.
You mean, like this nearly perfect liquid?
..the researchers can create matter that is composed of the fundamental building blocks of nature, quarks and gluons..
Nothing is more fundamental than simple awareness, from which all matter originates. Quarks and gluons cannot be final as long as they require a conscious observer to give them context. Quarks and gluons are comprised of consciousness, the universe's true primordial building block. Any scientist that fails to make that observation is missing the only part of their theory that truly matters.
- IP
...and Geordie agrees.
Data suggests early universe was stupified?
god ejaculate?
Right next to the part about Allah wants you to kill all non-Muslims, but before the part about all females are property.
Not to mention the sun-parched pederast that drooled forth such an abonimably barbaric and hateful cult of death and insanity.
I refuse to give any credence to horoscopes, chicken entrails, phrenology, or bloodthirsty silicate-strolling, toga-wearing atavists from the Dark Ages.
Welcome to the 21st century. Please wipe your feet.
The problem I see is, something is either a superfluid or it isn't.
From the article, it appears that the quark-gluon plasma behaves close to a low viscosity fluid, not a superfluid.
The difference is with a low viscosity fluid you can usually estimate it as having no viscosity and have your calculations come out close. However, a superfluid actually has no viscosity due to a quantum mechanical effect, but also has other interesting properties.
So is it a Superfulid? I'll have to read the paper when it is published.
Oh, the BNL source article (with links) is here.
We are all agreed that 1 million = 1x10^6.
In the world (Britain, France, and Germany) where 1 billion = 1 million million (1x10^12), then 1 trillion = 1 million billion (1x10^18) or another way 1 trillion = 1 million million million (tri-million), or million cubed, to the power of three, as in tri.
In the parts of the wolrd (US & Canada) where 1 billion = 1000 million (1x10^9), then 1 trillion = 1 million million (1x10^12) so 1 trillion = 1000 billion.
As it is an American lab, it will be 1x10^12.
Personally, i feel the Americans just like their numbers sounding bigger.
...the quarks and gluons behaved as a liquid - in fact an almost perfect liquid.
So what are you saying? It got them drunk? I mean, it's like beer or something, but no hangover? Cool.
I wonder if in our efforts to understand how our universe came into being, whether we are creating little universes of our own in the laboratory. And if in those universes there are beings trying to figure out where they came from, how their universe was created and why is the sky green? And where do baby tentacle beasts come from? What is God, and why is his representative on earth a ferocious three legged razor weasel?
And I haven't even smoked pot today.
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Parent: Rest of comment is a rip off an article I did for K5 a few years ago that dealt CMB.
You: The material in your post was all known several years ago.
Your links were informative, though.
Isn't that what The Holy Bible say ? First that was nothing, then there was water, then land.
Guess the aliens that left the bible on earth was more advanced than we are
I always read about how (insert foo event here) happened N microseconds after the big bang. What I wonder is how can N microseconds even have any meaning, when time is relative. I mean, did time even mean the same thing back then? What is a post-big-bang microsecond, anyway? Is there some cosmic constant this is measured against? Color me clueless.
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(btw slashdot "Reason: Please use fewer 'junk' characters.", stupid code guys)
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Jokes aside, this goes a long way to galvanize the theories of hydrodynamics (see: fluid dynamics for wikipedia).
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That is, the universe contains huge roughly spherical voids, and most galaxies are located where these voids meet.
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In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
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And the earth was without form, and void;
and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
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And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Superfluids, theories of superconductivity or cosmology, it's all pipe dreaming that benefits only a very select group of people who have been annointed into that particular field of science.
Hear, hear.
I've been quite surprised at the influx of "odd" observations over the past few years; I certainly wasn't expecting local pancake structures.
You raise a pretty good point, though, on the structure of disks, large and small, in the first place.
Plasma physicists jump up and down that the in-vogue theories treat large-scale magnetic fields and currents as non-existent, as though charge must cancel out on the large scale, therefore it has no effect. Sometimes, they make a good point - some of the disk systems do resemble dynamos.
Some of the papers I've read in passing on "push" gravity theories estimate that the force of gravity is proportional to 1/d**2 locally, but trends to 1/d on the outsides of the galaxy. Otherwise, there's a lot of unseen matter there (and we haven't seen anything resembling the high-velocity clouds gathering on the edges of the galaxy)... or, alternately, we're ignoring a dynamo effect.
Or... etc. (Assuming we stop before postulating that angels sit on the edge fanning galaxies with their wings ;)
It's the bank of poorly-explained pieces that will lead us to our next big theoretical breakthrough (or revolution) - but it takes some special vigilance to keep track of what hasn't actually been explained properly, and what's been merely papered over.
Too many tweaks. They should have realized something was wrong sometime between inflation theory, and dark-energy-requiring ever-increasing-acceleration theory. Plenty of duct tape on things already :)
By the way, speaking of aether... ;)
I can understand the establishment position somewhat... it's either duct tape or anarchy. There's got to be a standard to measure against, but if the explanations start stretching thin, they need an exit strategy.
If that day comes, they will need to exit to something, though. What's out there that can explain the pancakes at multiple scales of the universe and other phenomena as well?
Perhaps they need to take a page out of other research and development, and apportion some funds to "blue sky" research.
The biggest dividends will come from research that's reviewed for logic, self-consistency and explanation of phenomena without regard to how well it fits into prior patterns. Pro-Ams and people in fields with more easily measureable results (applied sciences, for one) realize these benefits, but being in a field where so many assumptions have to be made to interpret the results in the first place make this next to impossible for the theoreticians to condone dissent.
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You make a simplistic mistake when you claim atheists hide from disfavorable judgment. If one does not believe in a higher entity, one will know no fear for it... exactly like you probably never take part in Ramadan. Why don't you pray towards Mecca? My guess is that you think it's nonsense. Do not be surprised when others consider your religion nonsense as well. ;-)
He was ignorant of everything science taught us since then.
And that's quite a lot.
Different question, really. Science hasn't offered an answer to the question of a First Cause
There is no "first cause"; there needs not be. The desire to find a 'cause' or a 'meaning' in natural events is just a continuation, a perversion of humans' social nature. In a social context, it is important, well actually it is absolutely necessary to be able to infer the intent of others' that caused the current state of social things.
We have evolved into being able to do this; and we need to do this all the time, lest we live alone and recluse.
Religious people fail to grasp that natural events do not need have a cause. Didn't ancients use to believe that earthquakes, volcanoes, plagues, storms and patterns on grilled cheese sandwiches were the manifestation of a divine purpose? And don't you laugh at them?
I used to work at the RHIC. The LHC at CERN in Geneva Switzerland is a bit larger. It also has more power.
Last time I checked, my vodka was not bubbly.
Fluid?
That puts a whole new spin on that "Big Bang" thing.
'Imaginary' numbers do exist, at least in the same way that 'real' numbers do. 'Imaginary' is actually a poor choice of name; complex is better. Can you point out a concrete example of the number 1? I'm not asking you to use the number to identify a quantity. I'm asking for a concrete example of the number itself for which no comparable expression of i (the complex unit) exists.
Good luck.
Funny how people can round the age of the unviverse up/down to the thousands of billions of years, as if not important. ("Just give or take a few thousand million years and it's close enuogh"). And at the same time be extremly spesific about that mikrosecond after time began. That mikrosecond seems very lonely in a timespan of "a few thousand million years".
Michio Kaku and other M\String theorists along with some qunatum theorists have come up with a fairly reasonable set of "many worlds" theories that may explain it.
"Our" universe is just one of a possibly infinite number of universes poping in and out of existance all the time. "Ours" may be only 12 to 14 Billion years old, but it was part of another similar universe before that, which itself was part of a similar universe before that etc etc ad infinitum. the "Metaverse" itself is infinite - no beginning and no end.
So, this is one hypothosis that does not require a first cause or a creator. No need for a God. No begining and no end.
Check out a very good radio programme from last Saturday on this very subject: Multiple Worlds, Parallel Universes on CBC's Quirks and Quarks.
Besides, just because we can't yet explain the "First Cause" doesn't mean that it must therefore be "God". A God of the gaps always grows smaller in the face of scientific discovery.
Oh, and if you are claiming that there is a supreme being, the onus is on you to prove the existance of this God, not on science to prove that it doesn't exist. The evidence for the non-existance of God is simply a logical byproduct of scientific discovery of the nature around us.
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Wow - u qualify as a slashdot uber expert
Also, I was taught that time has been slowing down since creation. This explains why the biblical age of the Earth is about 6000 years. At creation, time was moving almost infinitely fast, then started exponentially slowing down. Also explains why biblical characters in the old testament often lived to be around 800-900 years old. Instead of time moving faster though, I would guess just the earths rotation has slowed down.
I have long since dropped all those crazy theories and am no longer a practicing Christian... but it is interesting to see how the Christians get more fodder for their "proof" of God and all things related.
Meh.
The data suggest that the universe was a superfluid. Not suggests.
:)
If they had one datum, the sentence would have been correct; however, I would then doubt the validity of conclusions drawn from one data point
Wow, do you repost the same tripe to every science thread? Karma whore.
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The statement "The biggest collider" is not correct, a simmilar installation, but by ways larger is the CERN in Genf (Switzerland). The LHC (Large Hadron Collider) measures about 7 Kilometers, or 4.34 Miles in Circumference. According to the CERN Website, a new gigantic collider is planned, that will measure incomprehensable 49 Kilometers in circumference. Another new hadron collider is the TESLA Installation in Hamburg (Germany). It will be a Tandem linear Collider, with it's origin in the DESY complex, wich is a pretty large Research installation itself, check their Website.
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The statement "The biggest collider" is not correct, a simmilar installation, but by ways larger is the CERN in Genf (Switzerland). The LHC (Large Hadron Collider) measures about 7 Kilometers, or 4.34 Miles in Circumference. According to the CERN Website, a new gigantic collider is planned, that will measure incomprehensable 49 Kilometers in circumference. Another new hadron collider is the TESLA Installation in Hamburg (Germany). It will be a Tandem linear Collider, with it's origin in the DESY complex, wich is a pretty large Research installation itself, check their Website.
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There's nothing informative about his lack of understanding or his incomprehensible anger.
so, must we interpret literally after all? first the waters (fluid) and then the light (big bang)!
personally, i just think like Zaphod Beeblebrox that it's all a Gib Gnab..
...isn't it?
another good reading is "The Pillar of Celestial Fire" by Robert Cox. .. If not .. it's a must read.
Has anyone read it yet?
in philosophy there's been a major war going ... some steps have been resolved by ...
... e.g. natural. if the universe ... we might be
on between the realists and idealist. in short
one side believes in reality and everything being
unique, whilst the other side declare that
everything in reality is a copy of one "master
object"
abelaerd and later on wittgenstein
by concern is with this physics experiments, which
side is right? is every experiment (*BOOM*) unique
and just that -or- might it be that doing this
experiment to reach a situation in space-time that
resembles "THE BEGGING(TM)" we are stearing up
some age old slumbering dragon?
in other worlds could it be that is is not an
experiment but a command to the universe? we are
acctually doing(!) something TO it!?
sure one can argue there are way more massive
collisions going on naturally in the universe
around baby stars or blackholes or whatever, but
this is according to evolution since "THE
BEGGING(TM)"
does allow a free will to exist
doing something dangerous.
kids do this alot. they want to know how far
they can take something until breaks, falls down
etc. but then again they are limited. with
the effort of many many thousand "children" the
breaking might not be so "harmless"?
but solids obviously do flow. How about sand? Cat litter? Gravel? I can pour flour out of a jar into a mixing bowl, etc etc. Really anything made of individual bits in a pile can flow, I s'pose..
O~ Him that studies revenge keeps his own wounds green. -- Francis Bacon
Superfluid=single quantum state
Perfect fluid=no viscosity Different.
Spit, spit, spit.
No, worse than that - I made the mistake of not only installing Autoform, but not adding Slashdot to the Autoload URLs ignore list.
Now my comment, which expressed annoyance with the concept of 'consciousness' as a fundamental unit of anything as well as bashing the idea that a conscious observer has to be present to 'collapse the wave function' (measurement operators don't require a human brain behind them), is lost to the four winds, overwritten by the last dang thing I wrote.
At least I have a chance to go back and redo it and apologize for the mess.
Thanks for pointing it out *shakes head* *sigh*.
It wouldn't be for karma - my karma's already excellent :)
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