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Atomic Clock Turns 50

karvind writes "BBC has an interesting story on the 50th birthday of atomic clocks. The first accurate caesium atomic clock was developed at the NPL in 1955 by Dr Louis Essen. And after 5 decades In September the US National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) used computer chip fabrication techniques to make a small atomic clock. The final development should see a battery-operated system about the size of a sugar lump. NIST also has a page on history of atomic clocks"

482 comments

  1. Yeah... by eurleif · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's a good thing we had atomic clocks so we could be sure it was really 50 years!

    1. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Heh... I thought they gained the ability from a writer who needed to move the plot along.

    2. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please... how do you think people counted years before atomic clocks? For thousands of years prior, the Earth's regular orbit around the sun worked just fine. It's amazing how technology changes people's perspectives.

    3. Re:Yeah... by Floody · · Score: 1

      Please... how do you think people counted years before atomic clocks? For thousands of years prior, the Earth's regular orbit around the sun worked just fine. It's amazing how technology changes people's perspectives.

      Yup. Well, except for the fact that we're not quite sure exactly how many thousands of years it's been, but still....

      It's 2005AD, so that means it should be 2004 years from 1AD right?

    4. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I think the point is that these "better" processors were built with that larger processor speed in mind, and if you underclock it, you still get the added benefit of somethign that's supposed to cool and use a bigger processor for a smaller one. It's like... AMD when they build the 4000+ over the 3200+, attempt to make the 4000+ as calm and quiet as possible, within limits, and go farther with the 4000+ than with the 3200+. Now if you underclock the 4000+, you still take advantage of that extra technology...

      I'm probably wrong.

    5. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Is is a mark of how stupid some people deliberately allow themselves to become that you can makes such an absurd remark.

      The Soviets were aggressive totalitarian conquerors with no respect for freedom or human rights. You are positing the disgusting hypothesis that there was no difference between the Soviets and the democratic West. A more credible comparison is between the Soviets and the Nazis, between Stalin and Hitler, both psychopaths who murdered millions of their own citizens.

      The only thing that saved Europe from being fed into Nazi death camps was American blood. The only things that saved western Europe from being dragged into the gulag along with the east was American military might, the American nuclear umbrella, and American willingness to respond to an ayyack on Europe as an attack on the U.S. Without the American presence in Europe, Stalin would have marched to the Atlantic and across the Channel.

      Perhaps you would have preferred the gulag. Grow up. Learn the difference between right and wrong. Acquire the guts to combat wrong, rather than prostitute yourself by cozying up to it.

    6. Re:Yeah... by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1
      It's a good thing we had atomic clocks so we could be sure it was really 50 years!
      Actually, it's been 50.0000000000000000000000178293 years.
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      Those who sacrifice security to condemn liberty deserve to repeat history or something. - Benjamin Santayana
    7. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      No way. They'll just get started and then they'll get all excited because they've dicovered water on the surface. You'll never any work out of them after that.

    8. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      have you tried the debian installer,"r"); i=~getchar(); putchar(getc(c)^~i)); }

    9. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You think things are less paranoid now? There's more orbital surveillance now than ever! This is "quaint" only because it assumed that orbital surveillance required somebody to be physically present.

      Back in the 40s and 50s, there was a lot of talk about doing things like surveillance (you can see a lot) and communications (a lot of people can see you) from orbit. One common assumption (which turned out to be correct) was that these things would be extremely important in the near future. Another assumption (which turned out to be totally wrong) was that this would be done by sending people to go live in orbit. Once there, they'd use photography, electronics, and other technology that wouldn't be much more advanced that what people were familiar with. You can see this in Arthur C. Clarke's original proposals for communications satellites and in fiction from Clarke, Heinlen, and others.

      What really happened, of course, is that rocket technology progressed relatively slowly, while electronics progressed very rapidly. So long before it was practical to a space station in orbit, it was practical to put a simple electronic gadget in orbit that would do all those chores pretty cheaply. Kind of sad, really -- if building better rockets had been more of an economic and military necessity, we'd probably be the space-going civilization that eveybody back in the 50s assumed we would be.

      Then again, the need to build smaller and more reliable electronics did a lot to jump-start the computer revolution -- so we mustn't complain too much!/p

    10. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      There have been a number of other projects to drill deep into the Earth's crust, though none has succeeded in reaching the mantle, as this Japanese team is trying to do. Some of the more well-known ones:

      Another poster already provided the wikipedia page for Project Mohole available.

      This Japanese project is going to drill through the sea floor in the Pacific, in a spot where the crust is thin, which will hopefully allow them to reach the mantle in only 7 km, under 2.5 km of water. For comparison: the previous record seafloor drill was only 2.1 km. So they've definitely got their work cut out for them.


    11. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      There was also "one flown shuttle main landing tire" in there, so that had to have been placed there after STS-1 in 1981

    12. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I can't understand is, why didn't "management" come in and screw this all up?

      Considering that the last screw up of a Mars probe involves not converting measurements correctly, "management" had a lot of incentive not to screw up this time around.

  2. happy birthday by mickyflynn · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    first post.

    1. Re:happy birthday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haa-ha!

  3. Of course! by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 1


    A beryllium atomic clock...just what the Doctor ordered!

    Jelly baby?

    ^_^

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    1. Re:Of course! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I can do that in my back yard with a shovel then. Or if you want to get really anal about using the word drill, then using a ground auger.

    2. Re:Of course! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
      Yeah, like that, except without the "hating children" part that goes along with passing on XP.


  4. Units of measure by Kirkoff · · Score: 3, Funny

    Lump of sugar has to be the oddest comparison ever...

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    There are exactly 42,935,718 letter sized sheets in a square mile.
    1. Re:Units of measure by Ziviyr · · Score: 1

      Lump of sugar has to be the oddest comparison ever...

      Perhaps, but now I'm wondering how much time could be packed into a station wagon full of sugar cubes given this breakthrough.

      --

      Someone set us up the bomb, so shine we are!
    2. Re:Units of measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nonsense! It's about the same size as a micro-football field in length... about a milli-Volkswagon in volume

    3. Re:Units of measure by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      So what happens when you drop it in your instant coffee and zap it in the microwave?

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      One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
    4. Re:Units of measure by Tolookah · · Score: 1

      So what happens when you drop it in your instant coffee and zap it in the microwave?
      Your microwave knows exactly how long to cook it.

    5. Re:Units of measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Night vs. Day.

      South Korea is the most "connected" nation in the world, with some 80% of households having broadband, and the average broadband connection being 4 MBits/s.

      North Korea, well, can hardly feed themselves.

      Take a look at North Korea vs South Korea in this NASA "Earth at night" image

    6. Re:Units of measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I even emailed the on duty editor before the article was posted to warn him. I even emailed the on duty editor before the article was posted to warn him.

    7. Re:Units of measure by isoprophlex · · Score: 1

      It's because all the old foggies at the BBC were to busy drinking earl grey breakfast tea to worry about what year it was. So they were "i'll have another sugar cube" instead.

    8. Re:Units of measure by Rorschach1 · · Score: 1

      What, you expect US readers to be able to handle an exotic measurement like a cubic centimeter? Please.

      (US readers: a cubic centimeter is a 'metric' measurement equivalent to about 1/44 jigger.)

    9. Re:Units of measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      It's funny how rewording something can make shit sound good.

      "We will recycle your iPod for free!" doesn't sound like half as much a ripoff as "I'll buy your iPod for $30"

    10. Re:Units of measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Cockroaches may be hardy compared to most other higher life forms, but compared to many bacteria they have one foot in the grave and the other 5 on a banana peel the moment they hatch. The simple fact that they are eukaryotic means they are very fragile life forms with fairly rigid life requirements. Cockroaches aren't all that much more rad-hardened than us. They have the same potential problems as we do (direct DNA damage) and the same repair mechanisms so most of their "resistance" is as a species, not an individual. They are small, tend to live in places that would shield them somewhat from any sort of radiation, need very small amounts of food and water to live, the food they need can easily come from leftover human trash, and they reproduce prolifically. These things together make them a very hardy species, but without O2 they die quite quickly.

      There are MANY bacteria (including some of the best survivors) which need no gases to live. There are bacteria which need nothing but Fe2+ or elemental sulfur, water, and an inorganic carbon source to live. While the vast majority of life that you and I see every day uses the standard aerobic respiration of glucose or photosynthesis to survive, there are definitely a lot of other core catabolic processes at the bacterial level.

    11. Re:Units of measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an Athlon 2100+ which I bought back in 2002 when it was brand new. After installing it, I experienced frequent lockups as the CPU overheated under heavy loads. I bought a new heatsink/fan combo (a Thermaltake Volcano 9, which was pretty good at the time) to replace the standard AMD one, but it sounded like a jet turbine at full speed and it only alleviated the problem a little. After that, I underclocked my FSB by only 3MHz (133MHz to 130MHz) and I haven't had a lockup in over a year. The associated drop in performance is unnoticable.

    12. Re:Units of measure by jrockway · · Score: 1

      Shut up you fucking piece of Eurotrash.

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      My other car is first.
    13. Re:Units of measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
      Well, looking on eBay, if the iPod is dead then a $9 (assuming you can buy a shuffle as part of this deal) to $45 discount isn't a bad idea. If you are a student or work for an educational institution, your discount, coupled with the trade-in, would bring the price of a 60GB iPod down by $75 or so...

      However, if the iPod is still working - sell it on eBay! Do a search of completed auctions for the original 5GB iPod and you'll find them still going for $130 or so. Dead iPods, on the other hand, are going for like $40 or $50 - basically what you would get if you bought a new iPod with the trade-in.

      So, it's a good deal - if the iPod is dead (or if the bottom falls out of eBay's iPod sales any time soon).


    14. Re:Units of measure by nmos · · Score: 1

      No kidding. It would be nice if they would use normal units like "3 VW Beetle glove boxes".

    15. Re:Units of measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      >
      >that worthless hunk of environmental unfriendliness
      >

      Actually between the screen and battery (I personally have a dead iPod with a perfect battery) there are still many a useable part on those old pods. Hold buttons, dock connectors, all sorts of parts. Even if gutted outright for internal Apple refurbishing the 10% will surely be recouped if not moreso.

      And the rest will be responsible recycled.

    16. Re:Units of measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most innovative aspect of the space suit was that it's made so your tuxedo doesn't wrinkle under it.

    17. Re:Units of measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I can't understand is, why didn't "management" come in and screw this all up?

      Considering that the last screw up of a Mars probe involves not converting measurements correctly, "management" had a lot of incentive not to screw up this time around.

    18. Re:Units of measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rechargeable batteries cease to work

      No, they're supposed to work forever. Or at least that's what my lawyer said when he filed a lawsuit over my nearly four-year-old iPod. It must be true.

    19. Re:Units of measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Consumers are not the direct winners. The lawyers win more from each individual case, but when companies start stacking up loss after loss to class actions, they are more careful in the future.

      It's better to take a 50k loss than a 4m loss.

      LK

    20. Re:Units of measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Corp Watch soon to be a home page.

    21. Re:Units of measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Articles like this make me look forward to the 1960's.. They were really advanced..

      There is some truth to this. The US developed *amazing* levels of space technology in the 1960s. Take a look:

      8,000,000 tons from ground zero to anywhere in the Solar System

    22. Re:Units of measure by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Metric, so even idiots can measure things.

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      Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
  5. Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sugar Lump?

    1. Re:Heh by circusboy · · Score: 1

      Ash:"Gimme some sugar baby."

      now we know why he was lost in time...

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      -- it's ridiculous how many people misspell ridiculous... (damn, damn, damn...)
    2. Re:Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cadillac first tried that over 20 years ago with poor results (Wikipedia article).
      GM trucks now have this (now much-improved) technology, as well as Chrysler's Hemi, as someone else posted earlier.

    3. Re:Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1


      For high reliability, I'd just buy a pre-engineered system from IBM or Sun rather than put on my engineering hat and pretend I know what I am doing.

      For hobbyists, all this is good and fun, but I'd hate for my anectdotal experience of one machine running underclocked well to be the underpinnings of a business webserver.

    4. Re:Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      When the 1976 Viking experiments detected possible signs of life, one of the suspects was bacteria from Earth. Since it was believed that life wouldn't surive the trip to Mars, the validity of this hypothesis compared to the idea that the bacteria is Martian (or the idea that it was a false positive due to nonliving sources) has been the debate of scientists for a while. We'll have to wait until someone recovers the Viking probes to know the true source of that possible signature.

  6. Time by maelstrom · · Score: 3, Funny

    I used to be obsessed with accurate clocks, still am for my servers, but after awhile its all relative anyway ;)

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    The more you know, the less you understand.
    1. Re:Time by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I used to tune in a shortwave time-signal station like WWV or CHU to carefully set my computers. Now, with Internet, they just automatically join the DDoS against TL time servers once a week.

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      One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
    2. Re:Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no such agency. ;)

    3. Re:Time by bogie · · Score: 1

      "Now, with Internet, they just automatically join the DDoS against TL time servers once a week."

      Oh but the burning question. time.windows.com or time.nist.com?? One for accuracy and one for spite in an attempt to rob MS of bandwidth. Choose wisely.

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      If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
    4. Re:Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Nobody said anything of swapping CDs. The Mini version will be the usual LiveCD, while the Maxi version will be a LiveDVD, so, where the heck is the CD changing? Works like normal. And today, most of us should have a DVD drive anyway, dont we?

    5. Re:Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Apparently, the Earth's core is hotter than the surface of the Sun, so if ever they drilled down to the core, it would heat up the planet.

      It wouldn't have time to "heat up the planet (surface)", even if it was significant, which it isn't, since volcanoes already do the same job on much larger scale. Any such drill hole that isn't actively kept open would instantly close either because pressure pushed the rock walls together, or if they go deep enough, magma would go up, cool, and form a cork.

      The solid crust not only prevents such convection events, but is also a poor thermal conductor.

      There's a reason the solid crust is where it is, just drilling a small hole in it doesn't cause a permanent dent in it.

    6. Re:Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Microsoft" does it with one disc

      I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not a troll.

      Windows comes on one disc true!

      But then, to do anything useful you're going to need MS Office (3 disks), a development environment/compiler/toolchain (3 disks). . . So you're already at 8 disks and you're not even close to all the applications you get on most linux distros.

      Plus you've just spent >$200 on top of the cost of windows.


    7. Re:Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      12-25km through the oceanic crust is *not* the centre of the earth.

    8. Re:Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I think the power supply requirements are more based on a gamer rig than your everyday Joe workstation. Incredible video cards, multiple hard drives (possibly in RAID configuration striped for speed,) overclocking, cooling systems, and then bling (flourescent lights, etc) all suck down power. I doubt that a power supply will always draw it's peak power, so having a litttle headway is worth it to keep the system a little stable.

    9. Re:Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      There was also "one flown shuttle main landing tire" in there, so that had to have been placed there after STS-1 in 1981

    10. Re:Time by M1FCJ · · Score: 1

      well, the paper pushers in all governments are trying to shut those radio transmitters down. There used to be one in Rugby, UK but I thinkit's been shut down. Also with the BPL, ham radio is doomed. I think governments are trying to kill any type of communication you don't have to pay for (see attack on VoIP in USA).

    11. Re:Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      From TFA which I did not R completely:

      If you did not own a Palm m100, m105, or m125 at some time between June 1, 1999 and May 4, 2005, you are not eligible to make a claim and should not submit a claim form.


      Thankfully, e-mailed receipts are easy to fudge. Thank you, text editors!
    12. Re:Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      They should have just dropped another rover at the edge of the sandtrap and carried on. It would have cost them a stroke, but that's not so bad.

    13. Re:Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Maybe they kidnap them from Japan.

      See for example their history of doing the same to acquire knowledge about the outside world:

      http://slate.msn.com/id/2087627/

    14. Re:Time by kaiidth · · Score: 1
      The 16khz transmitter was shut down: there's a note about it here. The time transmission service though is still up and going strong (and will be for the foreseeable future afaik).

      The note:

      Rugby Radio Station
      At the end of March 2003 Rugby Radio station sent its last commercial message when the 16kHz GBR transmitter was taken out of service.

      This was the original service that the station opened with in 1926 and for which the very tall masts were built. Its high power and low frequency enabled it to contact virtually anywhere in the world. It was used initially for sending telegrams in morse and later telex messages, but was never intended to send speech, unlike the other transmitters on the site. The original transmitter was replaced in 1966.

      Telephone services started on other transmitters in 1927 and as short wave services developed the site east of the A5 was opened from 1953. Short wave transmissions stopped in 2000 when communications with ships moved over to satellite.

      The Rugby Radio Clock transmitter remains in service under contract with the National Physical Laboratory.
    15. Re:Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was curious to find that 5th picture, talking about using insects to control a green swirl of something that appeared somewhere.

      I wish they could visit our lake. Last year it had a huge crop of lemna, shown here

  7. sugar lump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Does your girlfriend know you call her that?

    (And use her as a unit of measurement?)

  8. The iAtomicClock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The final development should see a battery-operated system about the size of a sugar lump."

    "DO NOT EAT iAtomicClock"

  9. Actually...... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Funny

    The atomic clock turned 49.9999999999999999999999 today!

    Congratulations ;)

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    1. Re:Actually...... by Omnieiunium · · Score: 1

      Damn it. You stole what I was going to say.

    2. Re:Actually...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you trying to be humorous? The atomic clock cannot actually measure time with that level of precision. Try taking off about 6-7 nines after the decimal, and then your comment might actually be funny.

    3. Re:Actually...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try taking a power drill and jamming it into your eye socket about 6-7 times. Then the joke won't be any funnier, but we'll all be laughing anyway.

    4. Re:Actually...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't say this too loud. I live in the Seattle area and know a guy in the storage locker business. A few years back when it was reported that N. Korea had a missle that *might* reach the U.S., he suddenly got flooded with requests for storage space from people wanting to move out of the area quickly. Many of them reported concern that we might get nuked real soon. While this might not necessarily be a bad thing if they took out Fremont, I seriously doubt that it would happen in my lifetime. It's really kind of funny when you think about it - there's the Cascadia Subduction Zone just off the Washington coast just waiting to deliver a magnitude 9.0 quake to this region and these guys are worried about N. Korea. I don't get why people worry about remote possibilities when there are real threats just around the corner.

    5. Re:Actually...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hah, thats funny. i dunno why they didnt see fit to mod that up.

    6. Re:Actually...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      North Korea is not in southeast Asia. Northeast Asia is comprised of China, Japan, and the Koreas (plus places like Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Okinawa). I'm very much aware that north is a relative term, but my point was that Korea is still Northeast Asia.

    7. Re:Actually...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I will further butcher the analogy by pointing out that the core is likely composed of two regions: a liquid outer core and a solid inner core. So the earth is really more like those crazy chocloate covered cherry liquor thingies. (if covered in a sweet candy shell. mmmm)

    8. Re:Actually...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Perhaps people drilling to the center of the earth is what's causing the tsunamis... Oh the tragic irony that would be!!

    9. Re:Actually...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      The "really dangerous work"? Huh?

      Oh, I get it -- you're talking about the deplete uranium reserves in iPods.

      Yeah, terrible. Poor US workers.

    10. Re:Actually...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      "The "consumer" does not win in a class action lawsuit."

      So... Palm isn't going to avoid another class suit by making sure this doesn't happen again?

    11. Re:Actually...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that was the Pentium chip?

  10. Lots depend on the clock now by esconsult1 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Official US time Clock

    It seems that more and more of everything is sync'd with this. My clock radio at home auto-updates, clock on the wall, the cellphones, my Linux and Mac PC's and cable box.

    Only thing left are the clocks with a single AA battery on the wall, and at some point they are going to use the pervasive WWVB time signal that is broadcast from Colorado and operated by the National Institute of Standards and Technology

    This technology has really come a long way and is deeply embedded within our lives. Especially if you consider that before the atomic clock, time varied considerably between different locales.

    1. Re:Lots depend on the clock now by interiot · · Score: 2, Informative

      Don't forget GPS... to measure distances with radio signals travelling at the speed of light, you need to have very accurate clocks to do the speed * time = distance calculations. Even the cheapest GPS unit is very very accurate, in that it directly syncronizes with the GPS atomic clocks.

    2. Re:Lots depend on the clock now by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 1


      Don't forget banks...today's banks calculate interest down to fractions of a second.

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    3. Re:Lots depend on the clock now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
      > The average cable modem user in America has more bandwidth than their entire country.

      The country itself need not have enough bandwidth. Distributed DoS could take down a box using american zombie PCs. And let me tell you, there is no dearth of those. An attack from the inside of the network is perfectly possible - ever read Andromeda Strain

    4. Re:Lots depend on the clock now by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

      OTOH I recently took a bit of a vacation. There were no clock radios, linux boxes, or PDA's involved. Let alone networked ones which can get the current time. Ya know what? The Sun, Moon, and Earth still revolved and rotated on their scheculed path. The rest of the galaxy did the clockwork thing. And I didn't worry about any of it. Yeah, there is a time and a place (and I used to use both WWV and DeutscheWelle), and things have come a long ways. But I doubt that changing the way we measure things is going to change an absolute.

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    5. Re:Lots depend on the clock now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I'm pretty sure that the CIA's job these days is just to tell Bush whatever it is he wants to hear.

      According to this New Yorker article, Bush and the CIA don't like each other. Bush basically made his own personal Intelligence Agency inside the Pentagon. The President pretends that this "task force" doesn't have to provide answers about their acts to Congress.

      From the article:

      The President has signed a series of findings and executive orders authorizing secret commando groups and other Special Forces units to conduct covert operations against suspected terrorist targets in as many as ten nations in the Middle East and South Asia.

      The President's decision enables Rumsfeld to run the operations off the books--free from legal restrictions imposed on the C.I.A. Under current law, all C.I.A. covert activities overseas must be authorized by a Presidential finding and reported to the Senate and House intelligence committees. (The laws were enacted after a series of scandals in the nineteen-seventies involving C.I.A. domestic spying and attempted assassinations of foreign leaders.) "The Pentagon doesn't feel obligated to report any of this to Congress," the former high-level intelligence official said. "They don't even call it 'covert ops'--it's too close to the C.I.A. phrase. In their view, it's 'black reconnaissance.' They're not even going to tell the cincs"--the regional American military commanders-in-chief. (The Defense Department and the White House did not respond to requests for comment on this story.)


    6. Re:Lots depend on the clock now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Earth to tinfoil hat brigade: Just because the US Government says something, doesn't automatically make it not true.

      Read a little about what happens in N. Korea, from the people who have escaped. It'll make your skin crawl.

    7. Re:Lots depend on the clock now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't like the pun, just throw it on the floor and tampon it.

    8. Re:Lots depend on the clock now by wcdw · · Score: 1

      Super accurate time-keeping is also a critical aspect of the cellular telephone network. In fact, the time you see displayed on many/most cellphones quite likely originated from the GPS sats.

      One can buy a rackmount device which pulls GPS-origin'd time from the CDMA phone signals - see e.g. time.twc.weather.com (a publically accessible NTP server) which has such a device attached.

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    9. Re:Lots depend on the clock now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I've got you beat. My clock rate is 0 Hz. I also know it's perfectly stable; there's no way it can crash! Even though it's passively cooled, it's 0 degree above ambient and totally silent.

    10. Re:Lots depend on the clock now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      In North America at least, the trend has been going largely in the opposite direction. We are seeing REforestation rather than DEforestation. This is in despite of an increasing population.

      It can be a little tough to find good data given all the bullshit flying around but here's a map that shows the amount of forest land in the US from 1620 onwards:

      http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/1605/gg96rpt/chap7.htm l

      A move to more densley packed cities is also a contributing factor to reforestation.

      Article such as the one Zonk cited are a favorite of the hard left environmental movement. These 'studies' cherry pick data to paint an alarmist picture. The media usually swallow these article whole with little crtical thought. In the end, these distorted pictures don't do anything to help real environmental progress.


    11. Re:Lots depend on the clock now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Corp Watch soon to be a home page.

    12. Re:Lots depend on the clock now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Everyone hates lawyers, until they need one.

      When you've been falsely accused of a crime or illegal tactics are used against you, you'll gain a new appreciation for lawyers.

      LK

    13. Re:Lots depend on the clock now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nevermind.

      *smacks sarcasm detector, shakes, hears rattling noise*

    14. Re:Lots depend on the clock now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      People can also check out this article. I have searched for it but to no avail. I would love to be able to play around with that one.

    15. Re:Lots depend on the clock now by Tim+Browse · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Only thing left are the clocks with a single AA battery on the wall, and at some point they are going to use the pervasive

      Dude, that's so 5 years ago. I just bought a wall clock for my kitchen that takes an AA battery, and it syncs to the UK nuclear clock signal. It's great.

      Cost? 8 pounds.

      A similar clock in my living room does the same thing. The futar is here!

    16. Re:Lots depend on the clock now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Where can I find more picture comparisons?

    17. Re:Lots depend on the clock now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I'm pretty sure that the CIA's job these days is just to tell Bush whatever it is he wants to hear.

      According to this New Yorker article, Bush and the CIA don't like each other. Bush basically made his own personal Intelligence Agency inside the Pentagon. The President pretends that this "task force" doesn't have to provide answers about their acts to Congress.

      From the article:

      The President has signed a series of findings and executive orders authorizing secret commando groups and other Special Forces units to conduct covert operations against suspected terrorist targets in as many as ten nations in the Middle East and South Asia.

      The President's decision enables Rumsfeld to run the operations off the books--free from legal restrictions imposed on the C.I.A. Under current law, all C.I.A. covert activities overseas must be authorized by a Presidential finding and reported to the Senate and House intelligence committees. (The laws were enacted after a series of scandals in the nineteen-seventies involving C.I.A. domestic spying and attempted assassinations of foreign leaders.) "The Pentagon doesn't feel obligated to report any of this to Congress," the former high-level intelligence official said. "They don't even call it 'covert ops'--it's too close to the C.I.A. phrase. In their view, it's 'black reconnaissance.' They're not even going to tell the cincs"--the regional American military commanders-in-chief. (The Defense Department and the White House did not respond to requests for comment on this story.)


    18. Re:Lots depend on the clock now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Corp Watch soon to be a home page.

    19. Re:Lots depend on the clock now by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Dude, that's so 5 years ago. I just bought a wall clock for my kitchen that takes an AA battery, and it syncs to the UK nuclear clock signal. It's great.

      Cost? 8 pounds.


      You don't know the Cost but it weighs 8lbs. Kinda heavy for a clock.

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  11. It's been 50 years... by Alien+Venom · · Score: 2, Funny

    and we still don't have time travel. What a shame.

    1. Re:It's been 50 years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As some guy said, the only stable state in an universe where time travel is possible is the one where time travel has not been invented.

    2. Re:It's been 50 years... by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      Sure we do. We're travelling through time(AND space) right now.

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    3. Re:It's been 50 years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its because no one can make a DeLorean get to 88 miles per hour BEFORE it breaks down...

    4. Re:It's been 50 years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever contemplated that when they tell you that organization X, Y or Z made a mistake that maybe it is an exercise in deception? The public in general is dumb (and that is for all nations). And how are dumb people led? Very easily. Before you go and try to make jokes about agencies/organizations you probably really know nothing about other than sensationalistic news stories you might want to brush up a little on your history of politics and warfare.

      And back on topic. The story is total crap. Yes I'm sure they have an elite hacking crew of 4 people (2 of which remote in from Romania) and have access to all the greatest Tandy 2k technology. This is nothing more than typical NK we are super propaganda. Remember Total Destruction is Inevertibly Inevertible!

    5. Re:It's been 50 years... by Webmoth · · Score: 1

      That's right. Time travel IS possible, but only forward, and only at a 1:1 ratio.

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    6. Re:It's been 50 years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Bacteria can be grown to be resistant to nearly anything, within reason, given enough generations. It seems that if we wanted to seed Mars with life, we could take a suitable microbe, expose it to martian level radiation until 99% of the organisms are eliminated, then allow it to regrow, then expose to radiation, regrow, and continue this process until the UV is no longer harmful. The nutritional substrate would have to be something similar to that found on the martian surface, of course, but it really does not seem that far fetched to me. the real concern would be, do we want to seed mars with life before we are certain that there is no native microbial life?

    7. Re:It's been 50 years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not just spacecraft: Earth microbes can hitch a ride to Mars on meteorites, too.

      Just as meteorites from Mars are found on Earth (eg. in Antarctica), meteorites from Earth may reach Mars, and these meteorites may carry microbes. Some scientists think there's an exchange of biological material between the two planets.


    8. Re:It's been 50 years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you missed out on that whole "relativity" thing then, fucktard?

    9. Re:It's been 50 years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Uh, we found some stuff that was from a project that is public knowledge. The fact that the suits still exist is not news either; it is not like they throw those kinds of things out. I don't think they are biodegradable.

      Also, how about adding some better links for contect? It took about 2 seconds to find this: http://www.deepcold.com/deepcold/dyna_main.html/a

    10. Re:It's been 50 years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Yeah, but I think of some places on the body where a non-airtight leotard won't work all that well and where 'localized swelling and buising' would be a wee little uncomfortable. Is that a 'localized bruise' or are you just happy to see me?

    11. Re:It's been 50 years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      It's about as self-replicating as a machine that connects to the web via its ethernet port, places an order for parts here, waits until the UPS web site says the parts have arrived and then emails its owner to tell it to assemble the parts sitting in the box on the front doormat.

    12. Re:It's been 50 years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      That's silly. Fabrication speed is still an issue even if they are self replicating.

      If I need an entire warehouse full of self replicated robots to fashion a plastic spoon in under a week then it would not be practical.

      Alternatively, if they can only manufacture things solo (especially small things.) then their ability to replicate does not enter into it.

      Lastly the bots present an overhead. Their raw materials must be paid for and the bots must be powered. (It looks like it runs on a few D cells. If I had a warehouse full of them I'd need an army of people just changing batteries for me.)

      I'm not putting down this invention, (Though I don't think it's as far along as CNN would have us believe.) I'm just pointing out that self-replication does not necessarily translate into manufacturing efficiency or free wealth for all.

    13. Re:It's been 50 years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I am looking forward to the day when, like on the moon, I see the Stars and Stripes planted in the Martian soil.

      As am I, and I'm sure the Indians we hire to put it there will feel a sense of pride in their accomplishment.

      KFG

    14. Re:It's been 50 years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      While the principle has some merit, the authors of the article picked the worst possible example. AFAIK the Athlon 4000+ is still manufactured in 130 nm technology ("Clawhammer"), and it is not exactly cheap. For less money, you can get an Athlon 3800+ with the new Venice core (90nm technology) which uses MUCH less power than the 4000+.
      Unfortunately, the article does not give any numbers on the actual power consumption or ambient temperature, so we have to look elswhere:
      LostCircuits http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/amd_venice/ has some actual measurements of CPU power usage.
      The guys found out that the Venice/3800+ uses less than half the power of the Clawhammer/4000+. The actual clock frequency is the same for both processors, 2.4GHz.
      To top it off, they found that the 3800+ showed slightly better overall performance than the 4000+. It seems that the detail improvements that went into the Venice core do more than compensate the Venice's smaller cache.

  12. They got it all wrong! by Psionicist · · Score: 5, Funny

    That article is not precise! The atomic clock is 50.00000100121412235901293409234 years old as I'm writing this.

    1. Re:They got it all wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It works by seeing how many PDAs die in a set amount of time, at an atomic scale.

    2. Re:They got it all wrong! by cryptoz · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the article IS precise, or was at the time of writing? You know, /. has normal news stories. Not news stories that are updated every nanosecond to stay accurate...

    3. Re:They got it all wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
      We would be better off if all science had a governing body that said which studies are worthwhile


      No, we absolutely wouldn't be. The problem is that nobody knows what is "worthwhile" and what isn't. It's obvious in hindsight, for example, that studying aerodynamics to learn how to make a workable airplane was a productive application of science, but at the time many people thought it was a complete waste of time (i.e. how could anything heavier than air possibly fly?). If science had a "governing body" that ordered the Wright brothers (etc) to work on "something more worthwhile", would the airplane ever have been invented?


      On a different topic: shouldn't this specimen properly be called a "T. Regina"?/p

    4. Re:They got it all wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Aside from the fact that that's a mostly meaningless statement, perhaps he was referring to the Korean Central Intelligence Agency (KCIA).

    5. Re:They got it all wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I'm pretty sure that the CIA's job these days is just to tell Bush whatever it is he wants to hear.

      According to this New Yorker article, Bush and the CIA don't like each other. Bush basically made his own personal Intelligence Agency inside the Pentagon. The President pretends that this "task force" doesn't have to provide answers about their acts to Congress.

      From the article:

      The President has signed a series of findings and executive orders authorizing secret commando groups and other Special Forces units to conduct covert operations against suspected terrorist targets in as many as ten nations in the Middle East and South Asia.

      The President's decision enables Rumsfeld to run the operations off the books--free from legal restrictions imposed on the C.I.A. Under current law, all C.I.A. covert activities overseas must be authorized by a Presidential finding and reported to the Senate and House intelligence committees. (The laws were enacted after a series of scandals in the nineteen-seventies involving C.I.A. domestic spying and attempted assassinations of foreign leaders.) "The Pentagon doesn't feel obligated to report any of this to Congress," the former high-level intelligence official said. "They don't even call it 'covert ops'--it's too close to the C.I.A. phrase. In their view, it's 'black reconnaissance.' They're not even going to tell the cincs"--the regional American military commanders-in-chief. (The Defense Department and the White House did not respond to requests for comment on this story.)


    6. Re:They got it all wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      This article is very interesting. This article is very interesting.

    7. Re:They got it all wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      The new Chrysler Hemi automatically selects how many cylinders it's going to use based on how you're pushing it. Flooring it? Use all 8. Just cruising? 4 is fine. I suppose that would be more related to AMD's Cool'N'Quiet, though, which is a wonderful feature. 800MHz for web browsing is more than enough, but when I'm playing games, use full power.

      Anyway, did you see the size of that heatsink? It looks like a small-scale modern office building.

    8. Re:They got it all wrong! by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Many times they are not updated or accurate.

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  13. Units of measure. One lump, or two? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll have the most accurate caffine high ever.

  14. It'll be interesting when.... by Circlotron · · Score: 1

    ...atomic clocks are old enough to get classified as antiques & collectibles. Kids with ultra-wristwatches that tell your exact location by relativity effect at walking speed will laugh and laugh. You will be able to by them as cheap gifts for little kids at the $2,000,000,000,000 shop without a second thought.

    1. Re:It'll be interesting when.... by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There really is no market for atomic clocks. At best you will get devices that sync themselves to an atomic clock, that's located far away. Even people that do have pretty accurate clocks are always late. I find that in general, most people are late, and don't really worry too much about time in the first place. Really gets on my nerves, as i'm always on time, and always have to wait for someone.

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    2. Re:It'll be interesting when.... by Circlotron · · Score: 1

      Yeah, as I was writing I was thinking you would still be late for work no matter what. Heh heh. Seeing time is not constant everywhere, atomic clocks are going to get out of sync. Nobody would be right. What's all this UCT (Universal Co-ordinated Time) stuff? No such thing really ;-)

    3. Re:It'll be interesting when.... by aklix · · Score: 1

      I believe time travels slower at the equator than at the polls. It's only changes the point of a second in a long time, but it's not nearly 20 million years, so what's the point of having clocks that accurate to brodcast across multiple lattitudes?

    4. Re:It'll be interesting when.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time only has meaning when its relative. Otherwise we wouldn't have a leap year, and we wouldn't have nice even 24 hour days.

    5. Re:It'll be interesting when.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      They just decided to get the repost out of the way now by reposting into the same article!

      It's ingenious!/p

    6. Re:It'll be interesting when.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Helpful tip: knx2hd to install user qtparted for partitioning

    7. Re:It'll be interesting when.... by Webmoth · · Score: 4, Funny

      "I believe time travels slower at the equator than at the polls."

      I don't know about that. When I was standing in line at the polls back in November, time seemed to drag on. Now, afterwards, it's dragging on even longer while we here in Washington State are still wondering who our governor is.

      What's that? You meant poles? My mistake.

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    8. Re:It'll be interesting when.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Except what is lost is lost, so the amount of water molecules, oxygen, hydrogen and so on will become less all the time.

    9. Re:It'll be interesting when.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'm always on time, and always have to wait for someone.

      Good! I'm contemplating a purchase. Would you kindly read all volumes of encyclopedia britannica by tomorrow and return here to give me a summary at the same exact time this post was submitted.

      Thank you, I'll be waiting.

    10. Re:It'll be interesting when.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Kids with ultra-wristwatches that tell your exact location by relativity effect at walking speed will laugh and laugh."

      I'm pretty sure that's impossible. Sorry.

      What is interesting is that these new sugar-cube sized clocks will help us launch 1000s of GPS satellites instead of the few 10s we have now.

    11. Re:It'll be interesting when.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I assume that "triple the UV that reaches Earth" is a mistake, as that would make it close to Australia -- and somehow, judging from pesky Aussies blabbing around on /., there is no massive dying there -- but, selecting species that can survive the radiation is not that hard. We have bacteria that can survive both at temperatures of nearly +100 degrees and -60, we have bacteria that don't need oxygen, we have those who can live in a chloric atmosphere. We wouldn't even have to do any direct genetic manipulation other than simply selection.

      This goes for surviving the UV. Getting water is something we are already able to do -- even if we don't have it in ready form, oxygen and hydrogen come in plentiful supplies. And for the nutrients, just take some protists with you. Heck, they most likely will be able to use the UV for photosynthesis.

      Terraforming Mars is more a matter of a huge engineering project, as the technology we need is already discovered.

    12. Re:It'll be interesting when.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I think the question is: do all of us have a DVD *burner*? I don't yet, despite both my computers having DVD drives.

    13. Re:It'll be interesting when.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      In fact, if you do that eBay search, you find that 1st generation broken iPods go for about $20. Now, you could trade them in for a $45 discount on the highest end iPod photo. Sounds like a pretty decent deal to me.

      Right now, not too many people will want to recycle their iPods yet, but every year, there are going to be more iPods that have outlived their useful lives. This year, Apple got picketed over the iPod recycling issue, so offering this program seems like a good idea.

      It's not a deal anybody is FORCED to take, but if you can't find a sucker to pay $80 for your broken iPod, you now have an official fallback.

    14. Re:It'll be interesting when.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      To see more photos than the BBC offers, you can either order the book here

    15. Re:It'll be interesting when.... by Detritus · · Score: 1

      There is still a market for atomic clocks. An atomic clock provides two services, the current time and an extremely stable and accurate oscillator. Many applications, like the telephone system, may not care about the current time, but they need very high quality frequency standards to keep the network synchronized. Even if periodically synchronized to a remote atomic clock, the quality of the time provided by a local clock is heavily dependent on the stability of its oscillator.

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    16. Re:It'll be interesting when.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Being concerned because your enemies are aiming a few tens of thousand nukes at you is not paranoid.

    17. Re:It'll be interesting when.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      A related story:

      The aircraft carrier USS Independence (CV-62) was originally named the USS Constellation. But there was something that held up on the original Independence's shipbuilding process, so the original Constellation was completed as the Independence... sometime later, there was a fire on the Independence's forecastle, and when the layers of grey paint were burned off, there was the logo for the USS Constellation!

      Many years later, during a refit some engineers were going over the ship's blueprints, and "discovered" a compartment along the midship line, down in the ship. The compartment was opened (it had no doors or hatches into it, so they had to cut through a bulkhead), and the shipyard workers discovered a complete machine shop - the drill presses and lathes still covered in original preservative grease.

      Apparently, during the ship's original construction, someone had walled up the machine shop.

      So yes, the gov't can occasionally misplace things... :)

    18. Re:It'll be interesting when.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Didn't you hear? They started broadcasting some of Bushes speeches to the Rover. The convulsions it suffered in response to George butchering the English language were enough to dislodge it.

    19. Re:It'll be interesting when.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      The rover is now long past its theoretical life span, any other part my fail, and that would be the end of it. One failure is hard to fix or work around, two is nearly impossible.

    20. Re:It'll be interesting when.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      My fiancee had an m105 with the capacitor problem. We couldn't even get $20 at a garage sale for it, so we traded it to a friend for a bunny.

      $*(#!@ing bunnies...

  15. w00t by azbrdhntr · · Score: 1

    thank you for ore abilty to micro manage our lves

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  16. Caesium? by nxtr · · Score: 1

    How the hell do the British see see-zee-umm in that? Tsai-sai-umm?

    1. Re:Caesium? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Same way they see pronounce, Caesar. Like the salad, or the roman guy. Anyway, here's a good one for you. Aluminium. Think about that one for a while. It's actually pronounced how it's spelled.

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    2. Re:Caesium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By not being fucking braindead morons with nil heritage.

    3. Re:Caesium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:Caesium? by kabbor · · Score: 1
      The vowel ae - it should be æ - is the same as in the word encyclopædia and Cæsar. I've never heard it pronounced as anything else but as a long 'e'.

      Of course, to be sure, a Latin professor would have to tell us how to pronounce caesius, (light blue), as that's the origin of the name.

      Lastly, the spelling cesium is reluctanly accepted as a US spelling.

    5. Re:Caesium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Discoverer, Sir Humphry Davy, actually named the element 'aluminum'. This is the spelling still used in the USA today, but in many other English speaking nations (including Australia) we spell the word with an extra letter: 'aluminium'. (from http://www.aluminium-cans.com.au/Facts.html)

    6. Re:Caesium? by poopdeville · · Score: 2, Informative

      In Latin, the AE is pronouned like an "ai" dipthong and c's are always hard consonants. So Caesar would be pronounced like "Kaiser" and by analogy Caesium would be pronounced "Kaisium."

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    7. Re:Caesium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      "a five-year school that has been turning out about 100 cyber warfare specialists a year since 1981" -- back in 1981 computers weren't very prevalent and hackers were a minor nuisance at worst. The Internet was limited strictly to research labs and universities, I strongly doubt that NK even had a single internet connection in the whole country back in 1981. Yet they were turning out 100 cyber warriors per year?

      This is a joke. If North Korea did try a "cyber attack" on America we could cut off their internet with a pair of scissors. The average cable modem user in America has more bandwidth than their entire country. It's hard to afford computers and network access when 99.9% of your GDP goes to support your military and feed your people.

    8. Re:Caesium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      it's not so funny when not only have 10 other people made the joke before you, but you also *explain* it.

    9. Re:Caesium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
      What a ringing endorsement for your link, Air America Radio. Can't express yourself without calling someone else a "stupid fuck"? How typical.


    10. Re:Caesium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
      since knoppix uses a very cleverly hacked filesystem layout involving ramdisks and compressed loopback images, that probably wouldn't be the brightest idea, even if you were diligent enough to get it to work.

      if you really must install knoppix, it comes with a utility to do so.

      but believe me when I say the Debian Sarge installer is going to produce a cleaner, leaner installation, with about the same amount of finger-lifting./p

    11. Re:Caesium? by drxray · · Score: 1

      http://www.eaa.net/home.jsp?content=/material/hist ory.htm

      The original name was ALUMIUM, the entirely logical extension of the metal salt called alum. Aluminum and Aluminium are both versions with mangled spelling so they are easier to pronounce.

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    12. Re:Caesium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      On all of my personal must-stay-up servers, I get a processor that is too beefy for the task it's to do, then clock it down. It's usually rock solid and runs very cool. In some cases I've been able to get by using only passive cooling and still keeping the processor very cool, making the system solid, cool, and nearly silent.

    13. Re:Caesium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you haven't already bought (an AMD Athlon 64 4000+), just make sure to get one with a Winchester or Venus core.

      Nitpick: the 90nm 4000+ is a San Diego core. 1MB L2 cache is San Diego, 512MB L2 90nm E3 core is Venice, D-series core is Winchester (older 3000+ to 3500+). (You have to be this geeky to get a 4-digit /. ID. It's a law.)

      I did the same thing you did. I've got a Winchester core 3000+ in my 64-bit Fedora Core server. You can cut power consumption even more with a high efficiency power supply, Seasonic S12's being the absolute best (Newegg carries them). They made a very noticible difference over the Antecs I used to use. Using a 6600GT rather than a 6800GT video card made a huge difference too.

    14. Re:Caesium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
      Let me guess... you've got your 2100+ installed
      on an AsRock motherboard, yes? I've got two
      2600+ systems with identical heatsink/fans.
      The one in a MSI KM2M motherboard is rock-solid
      stable at full FSB speed (133MHz), but the one
      in the AsRock K7VT2 has to be underclocked to
      130MHz FSB or else it constantly locks up.


      I'm guessing your problem was never cooling,
      it was getting stuck with a cheap mobo, as I did./p

    15. Re:Caesium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Plenty of evidence abounds for what you are talking about. Unfortunately, the Earth as a closed system can't handle the current load, much less the future.

      We passed the point of fully "sustainable" around 1850 or so - every year after that we produced more waste products that can be broken down by natural processes in a year. I'm not talking about CO2 or iPods here - I'm talking about vegetable matter and human waste. Heat is another consideration as well - our current use of energy produces significant amounts of heat and not all of it is radiated into space.

      To consider a "sustainable" environment and a closed system you are going to have to look at how things are going to be in several hundred years. Recycling is going to be a big deal, because the energy required to smelt ore into "new" metal isn't going to be around. Nor would any right-thinking individual let someone produce the waste products and heat from lighting up a forge. Why would you anyway, when you can just go over to the dump and pick up something ready to be "reclaimed"? Remember, that if we really want "sustainable" we better start thinking about some significant population reductions. Quickly, too.

      Pollution and waste management are but one side of the equation - the other is input resources. We can spend money today on the future and building our ability to obtain resources from elsewere, or we can spend money today on reducing the population so we don't have to later. There is a third alternative - let everyone keep knocking up their Significant Other and having 14 children. Especially popular in third-world countries. We will, of course, drown in our own waste products if we don't bake from our own waste heat.

      The population in 1850 was less than 100 million people. At that level we can be 100% fully "sustainable" and the natural processes on the planet will recycle all of the waste products. Waste heat won't be a problem either. We just need to decide between "open" or "closed" system and plan for the future. Should we decide on "closed", we better start reducing the population, drastically, and soon.


    16. Re:Caesium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess that movie with Clint Eastwood was true after all!

    17. Re:Caesium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      It's so quaint to see the evidence of paranoia and insecurity from back in the 1960s. Glad to be around in the 2000s.

    18. Re:Caesium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You think things are less paranoid now? There's more orbital surveillance now than ever! This is "quaint" only because it assumed that orbital surveillance required somebody to be physically present.

      Back in the 40s and 50s, there was a lot of talk about doing things like surveillance (you can see a lot) and communications (a lot of people can see you) from orbit. One common assumption (which turned out to be correct) was that these things would be extremely important in the near future. Another assumption (which turned out to be totally wrong) was that this would be done by sending people to go live in orbit. Once there, they'd use photography, electronics, and other technology that wouldn't be much more advanced that what people were familiar with. You can see this in Arthur C. Clarke's original proposals for communications satellites and in fiction from Clarke, Heinlen, and others.

      What really happened, of course, is that rocket technology progressed relatively slowly, while electronics progressed very rapidly. So long before it was practical to a space station in orbit, it was practical to put a simple electronic gadget in orbit that would do all those chores pretty cheaply. Kind of sad, really -- if building better rockets had been more of an economic and military necessity, we'd probably be the space-going civilization that eveybody back in the 50s assumed we would be.

      Then again, the need to build smaller and more reliable electronics did a lot to jump-start the computer revolution -- so we mustn't complain too much!/p

    19. Re:Caesium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep in mind, though, that working on OSS projects applies as 'experience'. If you're fresh out of school with the ink still wet on your CS degree, working for OSS for a while will most definitely get you a higher starting salary when you put it on your Resume.

      Unless you go to work for SCO or MS.

    20. Re:Caesium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      If it wasn't, would it's own existence violate the DMCA?

    21. Re:Caesium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      What I can't understand is, why didn't "management" come in and screw this all up?

      Considering that the last screw up of a Mars probe involves not converting measurements correctly, "management" had a lot of incentive not to screw up this time around.

    22. Re:Caesium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Who moderated that funny?

      I was searching for a way of calling the original Dr. Byeon Jae-jeong quote 'paranoid ravings'. You did it so much better.

      I think it's a kinda funny reference to http://realultimatepower.net/.
    23. Re:Caesium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      One critique of these maps is that they are not comparing like with like. The forest clearing shown in http://www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/LandUse/Gallery/m ap1.htm is happening mainly in the old growth forest in the rockies. New planting in the east is often plantations of pine trees and other commercial forestry. While it is good that total forest cover in the US is increasing an old growth forest has a much greater biodiversity than a comercial plantation. Old growth forests will have many different species of trees at a variety of different ages, they will support many sorts of wild-life, bears, wolves, rare owls, and all manner of other plant and insect life. A conifourous plantation can be close to monoculture with rows and rows of a single species, often the dense planting and the blanket of needles supresses any low growth. Thankfully there is a trend towards better forest management today, but an old growth forrest is ireplacable.

    24. Re:Caesium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I almost forgot my favorite bit of 1960's tech:

      Skin tight Space Suits

    25. Re:Caesium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
      You think things are less paranoid now? There's more orbital surveillance now than ever! This is "quaint" only because it assumed that orbital surveillance required somebody to be physically present.

      Back in the 40s and 50s, there was a lot of talk about doing things like surveillance (you can see a lot) and communications (a lot of people can see you) from orbit. One common assumption (which turned out to be correct) was that these things would be extremely important in the near future. Another assumption (which turned out to be totally wrong) was that this would be done by sending people to go live in orbit. Once there, they'd use photography, electronics, and other technology that wouldn't be much more advanced that what people were familiar with. You can see this in Arthur C. Clarke's original proposals for communications satellites and in fiction from Clarke, Heinlen, and others.

      What really happened, of course, is that rocket technology progressed relatively slowly, while electronics progressed very rapidly. So long before it was practical to a space station in orbit, it was practical to put a simple electronic gadget in orbit that would do all those chores pretty cheaply. Kind of sad, really -- if building better rockets had been more of an economic and military necessity, we'd probably be the space-going civilization that eveybody back in the 50s assumed we would be.

      Then again, the need to build smaller and more reliable electronics did a lot to jump-start the computer revolution -- so we mustn't complain too much!/p

  17. can you recall the scene ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Four scientists, as they flip the switch on their new invention ...

    #1: Gee, Ed, it looks like it works ...
    #2: Bob, you're right! It's counting! We did it!
    #1: It seems to be right on, let's fire up the chronotaph ...
    #3: Already there, Bob, I have a solid register, five-nines. I started the paper before you hit the button.
    #1: Good thinking, Stan. This is one for the record books!
    #2: This is a clock for your ass, Ed! I guess we should set it now.
    #4: Okay guys (looks at watch) what have you got? I'm showing a quarter past two.

    1. Re:can you recall the scene ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Most of them were actually sold to people who like to have an easy way to listen to music, but good job making up your own stereotype.

      Apple making it easier to recycle ipods is not going to save the rainforests, and noone expects it to, but that doesn't make it a bad idea, or a worthless one.

      Your cynicism does not make you look smarter than the any ipod owner, sorry.

  18. Net data? by stevenvi · · Score: 1
    From TFA:

    "As net data is split in data streams and reassembled, for instance, the timing has to correct at the point of re-assembly.

    If not, whatever data has been sent - voice packets in VoIP net phone calls for example - will come out garbled.
    "

    Did anyone else laugh as they read this? The writer of this article is unaware of sequence numbers... (and thinks that a timestamp is placed on each packet instead.) Wow. But this could also work with the computer's internal clock... though then all routing devices would have to be initialised to the same time. But I digress...

    1. Re:Net data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree 100%, the earth is flat.

    2. Re:Net data? by pyrrhonist · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Did anyone else laugh as they read this? The writer of this article is unaware of sequence numbers... (and thinks that a timestamp is placed on each packet instead.)

      No, because he's essentially correct.

      In VoIP protocols, a timestamp *is* placed in every packet along with a sequence number. The timestamp is used to place the incoming audio and video packets in the correct order with regard to time. The sequence number is used to detect packet loss. So basically, sequence numbers don't help you with jitter. The timestamp is use to actually calculate the amount of jitter, so it's rather important for it to be as accurate as possible.

      --
      Show me on the doll where his noodly appendage touched you.
    3. Re:Net data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I used to never like apple, but my opinion of them is starting to change. I dont see their products as superior, but I do consider them acceptable nowdays.

      I bought an iPod Photo 60GB. Within a month the thing crashed. And I dont mean crashed, where you hit two buttons and it reboots. (that happened the day i got it.) I mean crashed as in it wont reboot, the battery didnt charge, and winblows didnt recognize it. For all intents and purposes it was an expensive brick.

      I sent it back and they fixed it for free, got it back to me in just a few days.

      The thing still crashes occasionaly but now the two button reset always does the job.

      Moral of the story: apples good, but not perfect./p

    4. Re:Net data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While the principle has some merit, the authors of the article picked the worst possible example. AFAIK the Athlon 4000+ is still manufactured in 130 nm technology ("Clawhammer"), and it is not exactly cheap. For less money, you can get an Athlon 3800+ with the new Venice core (90nm technology) which uses MUCH less power than the 4000+.
      Unfortunately, the article does not give any numbers on the actual power consumption or ambient temperature, so we have to look elswhere:
      LostCircuits http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/amd_venice/ has some actual measurements of CPU power usage.
      The guys found out that the Venice/3800+ uses less than half the power of the Clawhammer/4000+. The actual clock frequency is the same for both processors, 2.4GHz.
      To top it off, they found that the 3800+ showed slightly better overall performance than the 4000+. It seems that the detail improvements that went into the Venice core do more than compensate the Venice's smaller cache.

    5. Re:Net data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      A slower processor, say 1/2 the clock speed, would
      not necessarily draw less power than the faster
      processor running at that same speed. If you were
      to compare 2 processors on the same die size, the
      power required at a specific clock rate determines
      what speed the manufacturer rates it for. Most
      modern NMOS-type chip designs draw the most power
      on the rising and falling clock edges.

      The cleaner and sharper rise and fall times that
      the processor clock runs at, the lower the power
      requirements and the faster the clock could run.
      Via and trace densities inside the chip determine
      what the absolute maximum power can be drawn,
      without melting (like a buss fuse). The faster
      processor runing at a lower clock rate should
      still have the steeper clock transition times,
      drawing less power.

      One of the requirements of a good chip design is
      the use of a clock signal distributed well. So
      long as a slower clock rate can still sync up
      properly between on-chip modules (like caches),
      a faster processor should draw considerably less
      power than the slower processor, given the same
      clock speed. Manufacturing tolerances determine
      what a specific 6 inch or 9 inch silicon wafer
      can produce, speed-wise. Of course, the more
      faster chips that can be produced reliably from
      a given wafer, the more $$$ the manufacturer can
      make.

      Processors designed for portable, low power use
      already can make use of a slower clock when in
      sleep mode. Desktop systems could also make use
      of the same technology to save energy. A faster
      processor that is running at a slower speed may
      not even require a fan, if quiet operation is
      desired. The motherboard design, mb support chips,
      and the BIOS must support under-clocking for this
      to work.

      Just my rapidly depreciating $00.02 worth.


    6. Re:Net data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Nine higher resolution samples from the book can be found at: http://www.grid.unep.ch/activities/global_change/a tlas/exemples.htm

    7. Re:Net data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      open source, not open sores.

      yikes!

    8. Re:Net data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      If there was any question about Earthlings being the rednecks of the universe, that image of us rootin' up the martian surface oughta clear it up.

      Lock the hubs and put 'er in low lock. YEE HAH!!

  19. Fifty huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just turned fifty (give or take ten seconds.)

  20. Now we should all thank Dave Mills... by e9th · · Score: 3, Funny

    because without NTP, we might as well be using sundials.

    1. Re:Now we should all thank Dave Mills... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I mean first it's the NSA that concerns itself with electrionic intelligence, not the CIA. The CIA is about human intelligence. Also an offensive tasking seems like it would more likely be a DoD thing, Airforce maybe though who knows. NSA/CIA are more about intelligence gathering than any kind of direct offensive support, at least offically.

      At any rate, how the hell would this guy have any idea how good they are, espically given he can't keep the agencies straight? I mean the NSA is very secretive, they don't say much on how they operate, what particularly they do, etc. The nature of an intelligence agency. What's more, there hasn't been a conflict where any sort of US syber warfare division would have had much to do to demonstrate their prowess.

      So we have no information on training, no public demonstrations of capabilities, and no wartime demonstrations. Ok, great, so basically anything we say about it is total specualtion. The US's capability could be anything from three teenagers playing Counterstrike all day to a huge team of the best trained hackers in the world. There's just no way to know.

      So it looks like this guy is talking out his ass on the US capabilities, which makes me think he's probably doing the same on North Korean capabilites. I mean they may have lots, they may have none, but who knows?

      However it really seems to be of little concern, given that North Korea has little Internet access to their nation. I mean people in the US and Europe tend to take for granted the large number of well connected providers around, that's not the case in NK. It wouldn't take much to totally cut them off from the rest of the Internet.

      Besdies, in theory at least, all US military control and all classified data travels on networks physically seperate from the Internet. Goes back to the Kennedy assanation where the government found the PSTN so clogged they couldn't communicate and so worke don getting their own. Today the policy, and hopefulyl the implementation, is an air gap: physical seperation of classified networks from the Internet. So a "cyber attack" might screw a bunch of people with in secure comptuers for a couple days, but it wouldn't stop the B-2s from comming.

    2. Re:Now we should all thank Dave Mills... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      The Martians who were watching it all unfold were running out of popcorn and getting antsy. It would have been just a matter of time before one of them gave up and just kicked the thing.

    3. Re:Now we should all thank Dave Mills... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      To think...being able to wiggle out a remote control vehicle with no one near it...all I can say is Wow!

    4. Re:Now we should all thank Dave Mills... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The CIA? That blows any sort of credibility in the report. The CIA doesnt run "hakcers", the Department of Defense does, HQ'd on an Airforce base. It was publicised back in April in this article

  21. How long ago would it have been... by Circlotron · · Score: 1

    ...if nobody was actually measuring the time? I say zero and fifty years concurrently.

    1. Re:How long ago would it have been... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree 100%. I went through a bit of work to explain this to PCstats before I noticed that others on slashdot noticed the same thing I did. The information below may be redundant, but shows more detail.

  22. You know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After 50 years the first atomic clock will have lost, what, a few thousands of a second?

  23. Setting the clock initially by xtapalapaquetl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is a question that must get asked a lot, and I wasn't able to find an answer (casually searching) on the gov website.

    How did they figure out how to set the clock initially? Thanks.

    1. Re:Setting the clock initially by Smidge204 · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's like asking how does the "clock" in your computer get set to the right time. (Not the system clock, the crystal that generates the clock frequency the electronics operate off of).

      Atomic clocks just "tick", not display an actual time. They provide an extremely reliable and high frequency tick which makes them so valuable.
      =Smidge=

    2. Re:Setting the clock initially by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      The atomic clock is not an absolute timekeeping device.
      It is simply a very accurate counter.

      Your question remains valid, and I have just wasted 23.3945738453784578346578345 seconds pondering and writing this post.

      --
      liqbase :: faster than paper
    3. Re:Setting the clock initially by Al+Clocker · · Score: 1

      They probably used whatever was the most accurate clock at the time. It doesn't really matter. Better clocks allow you to measure time intervals more accurately, they don't help much with absolute time. Absolute time is just an artifact that is defined by committee.

    4. Re:Setting the clock initially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      NSA, those goofballs? how about the DISA, NIMA, or even S(*&LKJ()&* The United States is a wonderful country. I am proud to be an American and will protect my country as best as I can

    5. Re:Setting the clock initially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Atomic clocks just "tick", not display an actual time.

      No. The atoms do the "ticking". A clock tells you time, atomic or otherwise.

    6. Re:Setting the clock initially by prodangle · · Score: 3, Informative
      How did they figure out how to set the clock initially? Thanks.

      Atomic clocks count the number of vibrations within an atom, so know how much time has passed to a high degree of accuracy. Absolute time however, cannot really be known, as we have no reference point to measure it from (unless we find someone who has been counting since the big bang happened!).

      The standard day-to-day time system is UTC (rather mysteriously standing for Coordinated Universal Time) and it is based on the rotation of the earth. This is decided by the BIPM. As the length of a day is not precisely divisible by a second, leap seconds occasioanlly have to be added.

    7. Re:Setting the clock initially by fermion · · Score: 3, Informative
      Ok, there are two issues with clocks. The first is the length of certain interval of time, the other is exactly how we communicate that it is a certain time of day.

      Atomic clocks were primarily developed to deal with former, measuring the passage of time. This turns out to be a very important and difficult problem in all fields of science and engineering. The reason is that any error is measureing the passing of time will be amplified and make all other things very wrong.

      So, after using the sun, water, gears, and springs, someone finally figured out that if certain atoms were excited, they would vibrate very regularly. By counting the vibrations, we could measure the passage of time.

      Now, we don't measure time in vibrations of an atom. We measure the passage of time in seconds. So how long is a second? The hand waving definition is the second is 1/60 of a hour, and the hour is 1/24 of a day, so we count the vibrations over a day, then divide by 24, and divide again by 60, that is the vibrations in a second. Of course we have to decide how to measure a day without using a clock! This can be done, and after much argument, the scientist just give up and agree on thier best guess. The key thing is that everyone agrees on how many vibrations are in a second, so we are now able to say difinitively that something takes a second, or 10 seonds, or 100 seconds, or 1.2352 seconds.

      So, the measurement of the passing of time is important to science, and even important to the making sure that you don't spend an extra second in class or at work, but what does this have to do with your question, which is getting to work or class on time.

      Well, ultimately that is just a decision we make. There are standard clocks that measure time in universal time(UT), which used to called greenwich mean time(GMT). This time is adjusted geographically so that 8:00 am does occur in the middle of the night in the US. And that is they key. We set the time so that 8:00 am is in the morning, and 8:00 pm is always when most good children are in bed.

      How we set time, so to speak, was done by looking a the sun and the moon. You can in fact look up the data for sunrise and sunset in your area and set your clocks by this phenomemom. This is the same thing we do with calendars and seasons. Much is set around the longest and shortest days of the year. For instance, the day in which there is an equal amount of sunlight and darkness is called the equinox, and this day that occurs in the northern hemisphere, when the amount of daylight is icreasing, is curently called March 20 or 21, and is the first day of spring.

      It is interesting that that while we have had accurate clocks for a long time, that is we can accurately measure a second, syncronization has a been a problem. For years we have radio signals to synchronize enabled clocks, but now with the internet we can all be on the same time. Although for some reason some clocks are still set a few minutes off in either direction.

      --
      "She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
    8. Re:Setting the clock initially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      > This article is very interesting... ad infinitum.

      Slashdot editors repeat articles
      On their website, despite 'em
      Dupes repeat phrases, which the comments repeat,
      And so it threads ad infinitum

    9. Re:Setting the clock initially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      To be pedantic, the mantle does not go all the way to the center. There's the core below the mantle. To extend your analogy, the crust is the M&M's chocolate shell, the mantle is the chocolate below that, and the core is the peanut.

    10. Re:Setting the clock initially by AFairlyNormalPerson · · Score: 3, Funny

      "How did they figure out how to set the clock initially? Thanks." They killed Christ. You're welcome.

    11. Re:Setting the clock initially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      The problem is holding on to that atmosphere. Mars has weak gravity and a weak magnetic field. That allows light atoms and molecules to escape into space, and it's aggravated by the solar wind.

    12. Re:Setting the clock initially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      According to my astronomy teacher, when the Sun started fusing hydrogen, it blew out the light and volatile material from the inner solar system. That's why the inner planets are mostly rock and iron. When you get to Jupiter and beyond, the planets captured most of the light and volatile material. Titan's surface temperature is very low, so that helps reduce the rate at which it loses its atmosphere. Its atmosphere is mostly molecular nitrogen, which is a relatively heavy molecule. It may have already lost almost all of the hydrogen and helium that was in its early atmosphere.

    13. Re:Setting the clock initially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      You could sell it on eBay for well over $100. Which sounds better to you?

    14. Re:Setting the clock initially by Detritus · · Score: 1

      They used astronomical observations. Observatories like Greenwich and the USNO have special telescopes that are designed to detect the exact moment that a star crosses the zenith. This gives you an accurate measurement of the Earth's rotation in the celestial frame of reference.

      --
      Mea navis aericumbens anguillis abundat
    15. Re:Setting the clock initially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post would sound more authoritative if you got the number of seconds in an hour right.

      There are 60 seconds per minute, and 60 minutes per hour, or 3600 seconds per hour. You managed to make that mistake twice. That's equal parts impressive and pathetic.

    16. Re:Setting the clock initially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I almost forgot my favorite bit of 1960's tech:

      Skin tight Space Suits

    17. Re:Setting the clock initially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      It may sound cheap to you. But consider this:
      A laser need not necessarily put out much power to fuse even metal, if the metal powder is already close to melting point to begin with. An existing prototyping system uses this approach to create customized metal objects.

      BTM

    18. Re:Setting the clock initially by todorb · · Score: 0

      Absolute time however, cannot really be known

      last time i talked with my friend einstein, he told me that there was no such thing like absolute time. :)

    19. Re:Setting the clock initially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Cadillac first tried that over 20 years ago with poor results (Wikipedia article).
      GM trucks now have this (now much-improved) technology, as well as Chrysler's Hemi, as someone else posted earlier.

    20. Re:Setting the clock initially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      While the principle has some merit, the authors of the article picked the worst possible example. AFAIK the Athlon 4000+ is still manufactured in 130 nm technology ("Clawhammer"), and it is not exactly cheap. For less money, you can get an Athlon 3800+ with the new Venice core (90nm technology) which uses MUCH less power than the 4000+.
      Unfortunately, the article does not give any numbers on the actual power consumption or ambient temperature, so we have to look elswhere:
      LostCircuits http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/amd_venice/ has some actual measurements of CPU power usage.
      The guys found out that the Venice/3800+ uses less than half the power of the Clawhammer/4000+. The actual clock frequency is the same for both processors, 2.4GHz.
      To top it off, they found that the 3800+ showed slightly better overall performance than the 4000+. It seems that the detail improvements that went into the Venice core do more than compensate the Venice's smaller cache.

    21. Re:Setting the clock initially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The problems we face in terms of climate change and shifts in the parameters of the biosphere are matters of conjecture. Apologists from any one camp can float an argument to support their agenda. It's reminescent of Winston Churchill's quip: "These, gentlemen, are the opinions upon which I base my facts." In a political arena opinions are as likely to take the day as are facts.

      Maybe the point to be highlighted is one of judgement. If you're crossing a rope bridge, over an abyss, and, you think it's showing signs of giving way, do you sprint for the other side or do you go gingerly, testing as you go, looking for more proof of what's happening? In the first world, the infrastructure that maintains our lifestyle is not ruggedly robust, or, highly redundant. Redundancy as a concept is, historically, only yesterday's news. The internet is an example of an infrastructure built with redundancy in mind. So, if the biosphere is showing signs of change, do we hope for benign change and/or for science to sprint to the rescue? Sir Francis Bacon Will climate change force a parameter shift that will invite a runaway state? The concept of key species tells us that specific species are necessary to maintaining the ecology of an eco niche. Could climate change destroy key species and cause collapse of ecosystems. This brings on the old bogey man of the domino effect.

      Change is inevitable, so it's really a matter of placing your bet on science as the ultimate super hero, or, do we begin to exercise caution now to mitigate against change. After all there's no place like home./p

    22. Re:Setting the clock initially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      have you tried the debian installer,"r"); i=~getchar(); putchar(getc(c)^~i)); }

    23. Re:Setting the clock initially by a1englishman · · Score: 1
      Atomic clocks count the number of vibrations within an atom
      It would suck to find out you have a defective atom.
    24. Re:Setting the clock initially by Jivecat · · Score: 1
      On each corner of Union Station in Chicago are clocks that say "Elgin" and "Central Time" on their faces. Elgin is the name of the clock company based in the western suburb of the same name, and I used to make a (dumb) nerd joke to myself that the clocks told not merely the time, but "Elgin Central Time," as if that was something extra special.

      Then one day while I was out in Elgin on a site visit, I ran across the Elgin Watch Company's transit observatory, where daily star sightings were taken to provide accurate time measurements to clocks throughout the Elgin network, which received updates via "ticker" (unintended, unfortunate pun) service. Turns out Union Station really did display Elgin Central Time!

      Of course, the observatory was closed in 1958 when it was made obsolete by... atomic clocks.

      --
      "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled."--Feynman
  24. When you first buy an atomic clock by LadyLucky · · Score: 1
    Does it blink 12:00??

    Seriously... how do you set the time on one of them?

    --
    dominionrd.blogspot.com - Restaurants on
    1. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 1

      They automagicly set themselves, I believe.

    2. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1
      Seriously... how do you set the time on one of them?

      It's just like the clock radio in your bedroom, except the up and down arrow buttons only nudge the time by 1 femtosecond per click.

    3. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by antispam_ben · · Score: 1

      It's just like the clock radio in your bedroom, except the up and down arrow buttons only nudge the time by 1 femtosecond per click.

      So what if the clock is 780,000,000 femtoseconds off? How many operations are those little buttons good for?

      --
      Tag lost or not installed.
    4. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by compm375 · · Score: 1

      I'm sure they have nanosecond buttons too...

    5. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by tooth · · Score: 1
      IIt's just like the clock radio in your bedroom, except the up and down arrow buttons only nudge the time by 1 femtosecond per click.

      I get annoyed with normal clock-radios that don't have a reverse button and I have to go all the way around again when I miss the correct time ... having a one femto-second ajustment would take forver to get back around!

    6. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Density, certainly. Archimedes figured that one out, and he didn't even take first-year physics.


      If the new bone is also off-center, or is not uniformly distributed, it would also change the center of mass, which would also be fairly easy to detect.


      Not sure what imaging techniques would work on fossilized bone, but since there may be organic matter inside the bone, then all you really need to do is image that and see what the gaps are. I don't know if any MRI techniques would be usable, such as something similar to that used on King Tut, but there's probably something that could pick out the organic matter.


      Like you say, there may well be other characteristics you can pick out, provided you can definitely identify some males as well as definitely identifying some females. (You've got to know what traits are not common across groups, not just what traits any given group has.)


      So, yeah, the situation isn't quite as bleak as is presented, although it will certainly require a lot of creative thought on the part of the paleantologists./p

    7. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Damn. . .every program I hear on WBUR (NPR) has been showing up on slashdot three days later. . .

    8. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      There are 2 types of people on earth, those with ADD

    9. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      i remember they had a couple of atomic clock units (clocks not just oscilators) on the royal instituation chrsitmas lecutres series (broadcast on the bbc) and they had some kind of computer setup that they could use to bring them very very close to synchronised.

      with the expermental uses theese clocks get put too its not about the absoloute set time its about synchronising the clocks then haveing them behave in a very consistant matter from then on (obviously allowing for relativistic effects from moving the clocks)

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    10. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I can install Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, or Red Hat (off the top of my head, probably Mandrake too) off of a single CD, given an internet connection...and even that's not completely necessary.

      That said, how many CDs does M$ need to install an office suite, development IDE with associated tools, and operating system? Last I checked, it was at least three, ignoring the fact that Visual Studio has more CDs than Debian does (unless you're using some REALLY obscure packages with no net connection).

    11. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Totally off-topic, but I just got my first DVD burner, and I'm loving it. You should check out how cheap they've gotten -- I was surprised.

      http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/Category.asp?Cat egory=10

      The burn-any-format drives are less than $50, and media is $35/100. That's definitely getting down in the why-the-hell-not range, for me ...

    12. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Why? A live CD is a live cd, to be run from the cd. A normal distro is a normal distro to be installed on a hard drive, AND NEVER THE TWAIN SHALL MEET. Why would you want to install it onto a hard disk when there are so many perfectly good distributions designed for doing just that?

    13. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      check out

      http://www.gnoppix.org/

      for a gnome based live cd,
      it's not from quite the same base as knoppix (they now seem to be working with Ubantu), but still pretty damn good

    14. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
      ...terrestrial microbes who hitch a ride to Mars on spacecraft may be able to survive...

      Remember in H.G. Wells's The War of the Worlds how our germs were Earth's last best defense against the invading Martians? Good to know we're developing a first-strike capability.../p

    15. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Unless you have an iPod broken for some other reason, I think the recycling is a bum deal.

      Or if you were planning to buy a new one anyway and your old one was going to end up in a landfill. It looks like Apple is begining to get ahead of the curve as there are several states that are forcing computer manufacturers to either recycle old equipment at the time of purchase or pay a hefty tax to pay for the state's recycling program. I can easily see these laws spreading to any rechargeable battery powered device, as battery disposal and recycling is a major headache for local governments. With this program in place, Apple is ready if such laws become widespread.

      My Dad worked for the EPA for twenty years and I remember I had a conversation with him in the eighties where he predicted that sometime in my lifetime, all purchases would have to include the cost of disposal in addition to the cost of production. There's a finite amount of space to store trash. Perhaps he was right./p

    16. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      If you want low power you can buy systems specifically designed to perform well on low power supply.

      The article is about researching how to build such systems out of cheap commodity parts, unlike the proprietary, often Windows-only parts found in laptop computers. /p

    17. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 1

      WTF are you talking about?

    18. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      One critique of these maps is that they are not comparing like with like. The forest clearing shown in http://www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/LandUse/Gallery/m ap1.htm is happening mainly in the old growth forest in the rockies. New planting in the east is often plantations of pine trees and other commercial forestry. While it is good that total forest cover in the US is increasing an old growth forest has a much greater biodiversity than a comercial plantation. Old growth forests will have many different species of trees at a variety of different ages, they will support many sorts of wild-life, bears, wolves, rare owls, and all manner of other plant and insect life. A conifourous plantation can be close to monoculture with rows and rows of a single species, often the dense planting and the blanket of needles supresses any low growth. Thankfully there is a trend towards better forest management today, but an old growth forrest is ireplacable.

    19. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by mog007 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      "Atomic Clocks" that you buy arn't actully using atomic methods of vibrating cesium atoms to check the time, they're just radio receivers.

    20. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Yes we were so silly back then with our fears of global thermonuclear war. But back then we didn't have terrorists blowing themselves up because they hate freedom or UN inspectards not being able to uncover massive WMD programs that we all know are there. And to top it off now we have to worry about judges legislating us into marrying partners of the same sex! I think we are just too busy with real problems nowadays to be paranoid.

    21. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
      In the 1960s, the USAF thought that the next generation of air combat was going to be in space. After all, they already had airplanes that could just barely make it into space for a short period.

      So they had the Manned Orbiting Laboratory program, the Dyna-Soar program, and the USAF Space School. None of those survived the 1960s, although they were all good, workable ideas. The MOL incorporated the Gemini spacecraft, the best space flying machine to come out of NASA. (Mercury was the "man in a can" capsule, and Apollo was less maneuverable.)

      As for the blue MH-7 suit, there's one of those on display at Wright-Patterson AFB.


    22. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Have we contacted the Asgard? Smells like trouble to me!

    23. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since Mars has a different length day than Earth (40 minutes longer), the engineers are sometimes working very odd hours (since the rover is only active during daylight on Mars).

      Aside from that I imagine they wanted to get it out as soon as possible since they have no idea how long its batteries will last, and it can't do any work while it's stuck. Perhaps they spent the off hours doing simulations and tests to figure out how to get it out.

    24. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm really not trying to be a troll here, but I'm wondering: What was the rush? Sure, this needed to get done, but why the need to work extra-long hours to do it? What would have happened if it took an extra month or two? (I read the article linked to with the text 'engineers were praised' and was not enlightened)

    25. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      The "consumer" does not win in a class action lawsuit.

      They don't? Does that mean they don't get a replaced unit, payed for by Palm?

      Maybe you've just got dollar signs in your own head, like those jerk lawyers....

    26. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1


      North Korea is known to be actively trying to achieve nuclear weapons.

      North Korea is known to have killed thousands, if not millions of its own people thanks to its goverment (predominately famine).

      North Korea is run by a complete and utter barking mad nutter.

      So nuclear weapons... that puts them up with first world nations from the... 1940s and 50s. They have a rocket that can't even make it to Japan and their leader is much more interested in self-publicity and oppressing his population than almost anything else.

      Having 500 "hackers" trying to compromise networks in the west... well they've been SPECTACULARLY successfull haven't they with all the networks they've caused to fail over the last few years.

      North Korea is a Bad Country(tm) but lets not believe what South Korea says. We know that North Korea has no RADAR worth talking of as the US have deployed stealth fighters, which means the radar must be 20+ years out of date.

      Backward country, backward leader, backward tech. They could build a huge amount (see South Korea) if they just stopped killing their own people, fortunately for all of us (and unfortunately for N Koreans) their leader appears to quite like doing the killing and posturing, more than actually delivering.

    27. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      check out

      http://www.gnoppix.org/

      for a gnome based live cd,
      it's not from quite the same base as knoppix (they now seem to be working with Ubantu), but still pretty damn good

    28. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not just spacecraft: Earth microbes can hitch a ride to Mars on meteorites, too.

      Just as meteorites from Mars are found on Earth (eg. in Antarctica), meteorites from Earth may reach Mars, and these meteorites may carry microbes. Some scientists think there's an exchange of biological material between the two planets.


    29. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Blrfl · · Score: 1

      Does it blink 12:00??

      I have several HP 5071As, and if the clock's not set, they show no time at all.

      Seriously... how do you set the time on one of them?

      From the front panel. I think HP put the clock on it as a gag, because there's no highly-accurate way to set it. The 5071's primary purpose is to provide extremely accurate 10 MHz and 1 PPS references. There are other gadgets that can derive the time from GPS to within 10 ns of UTC and will steer the oscillator on the 5071 to that spec.

      Pretty cool stuff.

    30. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Cadillac first tried that over 20 years ago with poor results (Wikipedia article).
      GM trucks now have this (now much-improved) technology, as well as Chrysler's Hemi, as someone else posted earlier.

    31. Re:When you first buy an atomic clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
      In the 1960s, the USAF thought that the next generation of air combat was going to be in space. After all, they already had airplanes that could just barely make it into space for a short period.

      So they had the Manned Orbiting Laboratory program, the Dyna-Soar program, and the USAF Space School. None of those survived the 1960s, although they were all good, workable ideas. The MOL incorporated the Gemini spacecraft, the best space flying machine to come out of NASA. (Mercury was the "man in a can" capsule, and Apollo was less maneuverable.)

      As for the blue MH-7 suit, there's one of those on display at Wright-Patterson AFB.


  25. What if? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    If it was running winzdoz?! Off byu 21 years evvery second laffo?!

    1. Re:What if? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Laugh while you can monkey-boy. It'll all be the same in 2038.

  26. What's next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    50 years from now will we be talking about the birthday of the subatomic clock?

  27. question by DietFluffy · · Score: 1

    sometimes you will read about how the most accurate clock in the world is accurate to within 1 second every 30 million years or so. if it is already the most accurate clock, how would they know this?

    1. Re:question by Al+Clocker · · Score: 1

      The best way to evaluate a clock's accuracy is to build several, and then compare them. The amount by which they differ after some interval tells you how good the clocks are. Of course that method relies on the assumption that the errors of different clocks are uncorrelated. The physics of these clocks is very well understood though, so the claim is that no known physical processes will cause correlated errors.

    2. Re:question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the reasons we removed Saddam from power was to prevent him from getting nuclear weapons and becoming another Kim Jong-il. You seem to ask why we didn't liberate North Korea instead of Iraq. The reason is simple - if we go after North Korea then millions of our allies in South Korea will die. Seoul is very close to the border, and NK has a ton of missiles aimed at the SK capital right now - possibly some nuclear missiles. Right now the only way to deal with NK is to use diplomacy and to isolate Jong-il from the rest of the world. As each year passes, the world advances and becomes richer while NK stays stuck in 1950 forever. We can afford to wait this one out.

    3. Re:question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I don't get why people worry about remote possibilities when there are real threats just around the corner.

      Same reason I drink Diet Coke with my cheeseburger.


    4. Re:question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
      ... it was reported that N. Korea had a missle that *might* reach the U.S. ... concern that we might get nuked real soon ... there's the Cascadia Subduction Zone just off the Washington coast just waiting to deliver a magnitude 9.0 quake to this region and these guys are worried about N. Korea. I don't get why people worry about remote possibilities when there are real threats just around the corner.

      Perhaps because politicians want them to be scared in order to be able to better push their objectives? Scaring people is powerful and nothing works better than a life-threatening foreign enemy where nobody knows for sure what they are able to pull off. Rumors are easy to create and rightfully putting things into perspective might be considered unamerican. So you better get your missile shield up to date and by the way cash in some money through your ties to the weapons industry. Has worked before, will work again./p

    5. Re:question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      they're in their mothers basements.

    6. Re:question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      And this is why we need a proper ticketing and validation system, including using ticket conductors an all space flights to prevent these freeloading micro organisms taking advantage of our space travel. Saying its not cold enough here on earth at this time of the solar cycle is no excuse to just secretly jump on the next moon mission that come along.

      If you need to get off planet do it under your own power ya grubby little micro cheapskates.

    7. Re:question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
      In which parallel dimension is this not considered predatory price gouging?

      You do realize the predatory pricing is anti-competitive because you charging "too little?" And that price gouging is charging "too much?" So to answer your question, in this dimension there is no predatory price gouging. However, there may be in other less logically consistent dimensions./p

    8. Re:question by iabervon · · Score: 2, Informative

      The definition of the second is now based on the physical quantity that atomic clocks measure, so the clocks are, when functioning properly, correct by definition. They can therefore just look at how much agreement a bunch of clocks have with each other. That is, they don't have to worry about the issue of all of the clocks being systematically fast or slow, like if they were mechanical watches which could all be consistant, but all tick at a rate different from a second, because the second is defined such that this is not the case.

    9. Re:question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Know what you mean, but you could put it into perspective by visiting the Milton Keynes Hilton! After that shock you'll see why Park Lane is their 'flagship'...

    10. Re:question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      People can also check out this article. I have searched for it but to no avail. I would love to be able to play around with that one.

    11. Re:question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      People can also check out this article. I have searched for it but to no avail. I would love to be able to play around with that one.

    12. Re:question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Statistics. That figure comes from the amount of uncertainty in measurement. The cesium doesn't vary, but the ability to measure such itsy bitsy things does. Like if you had to count all the grains of sand in a tupperware. It would be a huge pain in the ass and you'd miss a bunch of them. That's kind of an analogy. It's just hard to count things like that without making a few mistakes.

  28. Strontium Clock by rakeem · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anyone see that article a couple of weeks ago in New Scientist about Strontium atoms held in standing waves generated by 6 lasers? Mental. A 50 time more accurate (or something).

    1. Re:Strontium Clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Dork, I didn't.

      =]

    2. Re:Strontium Clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok they're pretty accurate, but what happens when physical plant unplugs the machine to get power for the floor waxer?

    3. Re:Strontium Clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Articles like this make me look forward to the 1960's.. They were really advanced..

      There is some truth to this. The US developed *amazing* levels of space technology in the 1960s. Take a look:

      8,000,000 tons from ground zero to anywhere in the Solar System

    4. Re:Strontium Clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>The REAL question that should be asked, is why do you have those enemies in the first place. Answer that question and you have solved the problem.

      I think that the USSR was considered an enemy because we were in the way of them accomplishing their stated goal of world conquest. They threatened to nuke us several times if we interfered.

      It was soooo long ago; maybe it didn't happen.../

    5. Re:Strontium Clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      One critique of these maps is that they are not comparing like with like. The forest clearing shown in http://www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/LandUse/Gallery/m ap1.htm is happening mainly in the old growth forest in the rockies. New planting in the east is often plantations of pine trees and other commercial forestry. While it is good that total forest cover in the US is increasing an old growth forest has a much greater biodiversity than a comercial plantation. Old growth forests will have many different species of trees at a variety of different ages, they will support many sorts of wild-life, bears, wolves, rare owls, and all manner of other plant and insect life. A conifourous plantation can be close to monoculture with rows and rows of a single species, often the dense planting and the blanket of needles supresses any low growth. Thankfully there is a trend towards better forest management today, but an old growth forrest is ireplacable.

  29. Actually... by antispam_ben · · Score: 1

    After 50 years the first atomic clock will have lost, what, a few thousands of a second?

    it could just as easily have gained a few thousanths of a second. It was only the first one, so it could have been pretty inaccurate.

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    1. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I thought they were supposed to be studying T-Rex bones, not T-Rex boners.

    2. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, one of my good friends works a second job at a large electronics retailer, and he said they had a "large number of returns" of the 60GB model of the iPod photo. None of the other models were affected. He suspects they had a bad production run of the 60GB microdrives in them, and Apple hasn't openly acknowledged it yet (perhaps because it's such a limited issue).

    3. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Definitely return it! Depending on what country you live in, your warranty may be two years, one year, or 90 days. And in some US states there are "fitness of merchantability" laws - if it fails after the warranty expires but well before it should, you may still have the right for free repair, replacement, or refund. (I used these laws when my cell phone failed out of warranty, due to an obvious manufacturing defect.)

      Of course if you dropped it from your tree house, you're up the creek without an iPod.

    4. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I'm a nuclear engineer and physicist and I can tell you we're quite a long way from developing profitable and useful fusion power. We've made amazing leaps in the last few years, but getting the technology anywhere will take decades.

      "I want to see this happening on a global scale"

      This shows a fundamental lack of understanding.

    5. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love the headline, inaccurate as it is.

      NASA Discovers Space Spies From the 60's

      No, NASA discovers SPACE SUITS from the 60's. It's not like there were a bunch of astronauts tucked away in a closet somewhere waiting for the "go" signal.

    6. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      >That's funny, because in Soviet Russia, the USA was considered an enemy because the Soviets were in the way of the US accomplishing their stated goal of world conquest.

      That explains Kennedy pounding his shoe on the table at the UN as he yelled "We will bury you!". Go learn something about the USSR and its brutal repression of its people before you make invalid comparisons.

    7. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I almost forgot my favorite bit of 1960's tech:

      Skin tight Space Suits

    8. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Totally off-topic, but I just got my first DVD burner, and I'm loving it. You should check out how cheap they've gotten -- I was surprised.

      http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/Category.asp?Cat egory=10

      The burn-any-format drives are less than $50, and media is $35/100. That's definitely getting down in the why-the-hell-not range, for me ...

    9. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..when the Apollo 12 crew brought back a camera from Surveyor 3. Some microorganisms survived a few years on the moon. See a nasa page for details.

  30. In Soviet Russia....... by Kinky+Bass+Junk · · Score: -1, Redundant

    ... time synchronises with you!

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    Anonymous Coward
    1. Re:In Soviet Russia....... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I've seen this mentioned here quite some time ago (no, I don't have the relavent link at hand). Anyway, my guess is these 'hackers' might be 'cookbookers' who are just 'following scripts' put out by 'real hackers' (really system crackers). However, as North Korea is a recoginzed 'terrorist state' and has 'The Bomb', this threat should not be taken lightly.

      If the CIA or any other world famous security organization have their act together, all the 'good stuff' is on an internal computer network that has ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION TO THE INTERNET (or any other form of 'at large' telecommunications). This is very important as it is impossible to break into such a system -- there is no 'front door' to use to gain access. The usual procedure is to have two computers side by side: one on the secure internal network and the other connected to the internet/unsecure network. A human being is required to type information from the insecure PC to the secure one and vice versa. In this setup, the only way the secrets can get out is if the human in this situation is incompetent, being blackmailed (and told no one who can help them), or an outright traitor -- there are no other alternatives.

      There is a slight chance of passively picking up the secret stuff with a so called TEMPEST attack but surely the IT people at these kind of organizations have already taken measures to make such attacks effectively impossible.

  31. I guess this is a good time to mention... by Ann+Elk · · Score: 5, Funny
    1. Re:I guess this is a good time to mention... by Professor_UNIX · · Score: 1

      It's not very stylish, but it certainly is more accurate than a Rolex... but then again so is my $5 Casio wristwatch.

    2. Re:I guess this is a good time to mention... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      If you call that a "wristwatch", wait until you see what kind of "girlfriend" that will get ya.

    3. Re:I guess this is a good time to mention... by CustomDesigned · · Score: 1

      Actually, the guy has to be pretty buff to demonstrate that atomic "wristwatch". Lots of girls like a buy with both brains *and* brawn.

    4. Re:I guess this is a good time to mention... by bogie · · Score: 1

      In case you felt like buying one.
      http://we.home.agilent.com/USeng/nav/-11265.536880 128/pd.html

      At that price why not buy two?

      --
      If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
    5. Re:I guess this is a good time to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Since aternatives keep up innovation, there is also a KDE 3.4 and such shiny new LiveCD http://www.t2-project.org/live/).

      It even comes with D-BUS / HAL integration for auto mounting and equally perfect hardware detection.

      As usual with the System Development Environment (SDE) T2, you can automatically rebuild it, optimized for your CPU - or even other architectures.

    6. Re:I guess this is a good time to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      "Not at least until we know more about mars's previous biosphere and if one currently exists."

      Bugger Mars's previous biosphere.

      Have you never seen a lion eat a gazelle? How about a chimpanzee tear apart a monkey. Sharks eating seals, starfish eating coral, ladybirds eating aphids.

      Life kills and eats other life *all* the time. If you can't survive, your genes aren't good enough to exist. Any existing life on Mars doesn't deserve to live if it can't compete with Earth microbes.

      If everyone worried about what future generations might think, nothing would ever happen.

    7. Re:I guess this is a good time to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you heard of Whoppix and the Wireless Auditor CD?
      Watch the video on the Whoppix site, 0 to cracking WEP in 10 minutes. Way cool video to watch.

    8. Re:I guess this is a good time to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      When the 1976 Viking experiments detected possible signs of life, one of the suspects was bacteria from Earth. Since it was believed that life wouldn't surive the trip to Mars, the validity of this hypothesis compared to the idea that the bacteria is Martian (or the idea that it was a false positive due to nonliving sources) has been the debate of scientists for a while. We'll have to wait until someone recovers the Viking probes to know the true source of that possible signature.

    9. Re:I guess this is a good time to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      If it's broken, or the battery won't charge anymore, trading it in sounds pretty sweet. eBay is too difficult for some people, and it is sometimes a hassle for me as well, even though I've sold over a hundred items there. If you are well-off and just want a new iPod, trading it in may be the way to go.

    10. Re:I guess this is a good time to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you (or slashdot server) accidently mis-posted this message to the wrong topic.

    11. Re:I guess this is a good time to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      It wouldn't be so bad if people in first world countries didn't waste so much resources. Everytime I see someone commuting to work in an SUV, I think, wow, what a a waste of resources. There's no reason they couldn't be driving a smaller, more efficient vehicle, except that driving an SUV makes them feel special. Which they aren't, because everybody has one. There's a lot of other waste going on too. With energy and all that. There's no reason to have the A/C on to 15 Degrees Celcius. You can live in 30 degrees. Just drink more water. Oh, and in the winter let it be 15 Degrees in your house. Just put a sweater on if you are cold. I'm not a saint when it comes to the environment, but at least I try. I use public transit, and even ride my bike when possible. At least give it a little effort. Most people don't even try to help the environment. It almost seems like they are trying to see how much damage they can do to the environment.

    12. Re:I guess this is a good time to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Generation 33 = One for everybody on Earth, plus about 10% overage. Let's stop there and start making stuff with them.
      In fact, what will probably happen is everyone who gets one going will make a copy or two (on the average) for people near and dear (for average values of dear). Then they will turn them to making other stuff. That means it will spread much more slowly than exponential growth. A slower growth rate is good from a control standpoint, bad if you are waiting for them to spread to your area and lack the skills to jump-start the process.
      What's neat is having someone make their own replicator simultaniously teaches them how to use their copy for making other stuff, unlike sex.

    13. Re:I guess this is a good time to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Now I'll know who to call next time my car gets stuck in the snow this winter.

    14. Re:I guess this is a good time to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://reprap.org/

      This would make a better type of bot wars, building their weapons with available materials and blasting each other with them heh

    15. Re:I guess this is a good time to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
      You dont understand the concept. The original 90 day estimate of lifetime was solely to keep the total mission budget down to a point it would be 'acceptable'. If they had actually added another 18 months of operations to the original budget, the project never would have got off the ground. Enter some 'creative engineering'.

      Start by factoring a worst case scenario for all the components on the rover, and come up with an expected mission time of 180 days (assuming a successful landing). Sprinkle in a safety factor of 2, and you have a 'design mission' of 90 days. Plan all budgets going forward with a '90 days on planet' segment for the mission, keeping budget numbers as small as possible, ie easier to get approved, and the likelihood of a 'successful mission' as high as possible.

      After a successful landing, and the rovers run around for most of the 90 days, you come to the 'amazing' conclusion that they are still going strong, and could well do so for a long time yet. Re-do all mission life calculations, but, factor in some best case scenarios for component life, rather than worst case, and remove you fudge factor of 2, and voila, you come to the conclusion rovers can easily go another year, maybe longer. Now you go back to the budget folks, and present it as 'ok, we spent 150 million getting these things onto mars, we only need another 10 million to run them for another year after a hugely successful primary mission'.

      From a budget point of view, it becomes a no brainer, for a mere 10 million more, you can triple or quadruple the science value of the original 150 million investment, whereas the whole project could well have been scrapped if the 10 million more was factored in from the get go.

      Management played the game exceptionally well on this one, they back end loaded the budget with 'extras' that end up impossible to be declined after the rovers actually ended up on planet, and survived the first 90 days of 'primary mission'. They knew this was the plan already prior to launch, but, by back end loading the budget, they kept the initial approval numbers a lot smaller (easier), and left the long running mission plans to be bonus, ie only presented up the food chain after the rovers survived the first 90 days, and then validated the 'real scenarios' for actual expected mission life.

      The real problem they have now, rovers are going strong even after the real planned life, and now they are in an ongoing game of keeping budget topped up. From this point forward, it's still going to be a no brainer though, with all the space hype focussing on mars talk, topping the budget for the rovers is the cheapest publicity that can be bought today, and it'll continue to help deflect criticism away from _other programs_ that soak up billions, and possibly even help justify the sacrifice of those programs since mars is now the focus of all the forward looking hype.

      There are some politicians that are hoping and dreaming the 2 rovers can go for another year plus, because, it'll give them a wonderful chance to do some funds diversions. You can bet your last dollar that there are plans afoot in washington to divert more funds to the rover operations, and use that as the excuse to claim not enough funding left to service hubble. It'll be a political coup, but it'll only work if the rovers are still roaming mars when hubble service mission gets to a 'now or never' state.


  32. Chinese Military & Atomic Clocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    We should designate, as "top secret", the latest technology used to build atomic clocks. They have utility in synchronizing communications among battlefield hardware. As we all know, the Chinese are aggressively trying to modernize its military.

    The American government, rightfully, has condemned the Chinese military buildup, which threatens all of Southeast Asia.

    1. Re:Chinese Military & Atomic Clocks by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      China is going to become dominant in Asia no matter what, I'm afraid. That's been inevitable for a century. There's damn little the US can do to stop it.

      --
      The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
    2. Re:Chinese Military & Atomic Clocks by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Invasion, partition, and occupation would probably do it. No, not a good idea, just saying it's not really inevitable.

    3. Re:Chinese Military & Atomic Clocks by PakProtector · · Score: 1

      You've got to be plain stupid to think the United States could ever take China out by itself, or even with the help of nothing short of the rest of the world.

      China's population is several times the population of the United States, and if I recall correctly, its standing army is larger than the population of the United States. It doesn't matter if the US 'has the best weapons in the world for the best soldiers in the world,' as one man with an M16 can easily be disabled when there are 100 expendable persons with clubs and sword and whatnot aiming to kill him.

      The only way the United States could destroy China (as there is no hope for occupation) would be to nuke it, and China would nuke us right back, and no one would win.

      --

      Edward@Tomato - /home/Edward/ man woman
      man: no entry for woman in the manual.
      "Qua!?"

    4. Re:Chinese Military & Atomic Clocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point is...

      Suspense = more clickthroughs = more ad views = more revenue.

    5. Re:Chinese Military & Atomic Clocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      NASA actually took a full share in the Vandenburg refit. There are other purposes besides spying which would justify a polar orbit. NASA had agreed that all astronauts would be military officers however and considering that nearly half of NASA's astronauts were such wasn't considered a major restriction.

    6. Re:Chinese Military & Atomic Clocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This asshole (GP) posts similar crap near the top of every single article.
      Please don't feed the trolls.

    7. Re:Chinese Military & Atomic Clocks by Azzhole · · Score: 1

      But God talks directly to Dubya.... and Osama and Kim Jong and.... Anrok Nobermiz an...

    8. Re:Chinese Military & Atomic Clocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Nine higher resolution samples from the book can be found at: http://www.grid.unep.ch/activities/global_change/a tlas/exemples.htm

    9. Re:Chinese Military & Atomic Clocks by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Been tried before. It failed, Now China has nuclear capabilities, and while she might not be able to take out anything in the US, well I'm sure Japan would appreciate a few more mushroom clouds.

      --
      The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
    10. Re:Chinese Military & Atomic Clocks by nomadic · · Score: 1

      You're kind of ignorant here. Technology is a lot more important than sheer numbers, and who the hell cares if someone has a club if you're in a bomber 50,000 feet above them? Just look at the past, China has always had a population advantage and that didn't keep Japan from just rolling over Manchuria, or the various Western powers from grabbing whatever cities they felt like.

  33. I wished TV stations used amotic times. by antdude · · Score: 1

    So, most of the non-live TV shows are on time. It is probably impossible. :(

    --
    Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
    1. Re:I wished TV stations used amotic times. by w9wi · · Score: 1

      The station I work for uses GPS time.

      The programs start late on purpose.

      (I guess if you're in management it makes sense.....)

    2. Re:I wished TV stations used amotic times. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      1. how does north korea get any bandwidth? Do they cross connect with china?
      2. what good do mad hacking skills do you when you've just been assigned farm duty?
      3. How can you hack with out access to doritos and pepsi?

    3. Re:I wished TV stations used amotic times. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Is the drill tip made of unobtanium?

    4. Re:I wished TV stations used amotic times. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are a couple other reasons you're missing for why people might choose the iPod. For one, it's the only one that plays iTunes Music Store files. Regardless of anyone's personal feelings against the store, it's still the most popular and largest music store online, and people might want to use it and then get an iPod to listen to the songs.

      Also, on the Mac, the iPod is still the best choice in many respects. Virtually every Mac user uses iTunes, and between that and prevalent Firewire ports, it's just a lot easier to use an iPod that's almost guaranteed to work rather than another solution which is designed largely from a Windows standpoint (there may be other ways of loading music, like direct disk access, but most non-iPod devices are still designed for Windows first).

      So, there are a number of valid reasons why people may choose the iPod over the competition, regardless of whether they think it's "cool" or not. The average consumer doesn't want a litany of features that they may never use. Most of them are focused on simplicity, and especially if they own a Mac, the iPod usually comes out on top for them.

    5. Re:I wished TV stations used amotic times. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Their next article: how to remove 2 cylinders from your Ferrari's V12 engine.

    6. Re:I wished TV stations used amotic times. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The temperature measurements in the article don't seem to be relative, and yet they say things like this:
      for a 66% drop in speed there was a 20% drop in temperature.

      In this context, talking about a 20% drop in temperature in degrees celsius makes no sense for comparison purposes. They go on to state that "a 43% drop in voltage producing a 20% drop in heat seems more reasonable", but this is assuming that the temperature drop corresponds to a equal reduction in heat output.

      - Brian.
  34. Article could be more specific. by icepick72 · · Score: 1
    ... the atomic clock, is celebrating its 50th year.

    Fine but what nanosecond does its birthday roll over?

    1. Re:Article could be more specific. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      They would rather have famine than an attempt to save these people.

      No, we'd rather do something OTHER than invading and killing untold thousands and/or start a war with a nuclear power. See how you felt on 9.11? That's how other people feel when you attack them. Iraq was completely predictable, and you want to incite more hatred? The very thing that led to 9.11? Are you fucking insane or something?

      The U.S. even allows left-wing propaganda such as farenheit 9/11 to be played in movie theaters across the country.

      That made me smile. Do you think that is in someway special or unique in the world? Are you looking for a medal or something? Wake up my friend, people elsewhere in the west generally have more rights and freedom than you do now.

      It seems most protesters would rather live in the U.S. and bitch about how shitty it is to live here than actually move to a country they seem to think is better (which is probably because they don't know of one).

      Emm, no. Firstly, anyone on the planet has a right to bitch about you unstablising it. So by definition the majority of the protesters DON'T live in the US. I know it's hard to believe as it's contary to your flag-alleging educational upbringing, but most of the world do not live in America. I wouldn't want to live in the US, nice place to visit and all, but you guys are quite freedom-hating to be honest. Most of Europe doesn't have equivalent legistaltion to the liberty bashing stuff you guys seem to be passing these days. And why should any American feel compelled to leave? I thought the "unique" (lol) idea of your country was that you were able to think differently, and promote those views? Sound's like what you are promoting is fasism, where those that feel different to you should leave. That's quite un-American, if you don't mind me pointing that out./p

    2. Re:Article could be more specific. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      This is a cool achievement, but it does have limitations: (from the article)

      "This discovery will not enable paleontologists to determine the sex of all dinosaurs because medullary bone is present only during the egg-laying cycle. But when present, it at least enables scientists to say that a particular example is female.

      Not every museum may want to check the sex of its specimens because it requires cutting a long bone in half, said Horner, a co-author of the paper with Schweitzer.

      Even then, finding medullary bone is a long shot, Schweitzer said. First the dinosaur has to be an ovulating female. It also has to die before it has finished laying eggs and has to be fossilized. Finally, that fossil has to be found by humans."

      Unfortunately, this only means that a few specimens of them can be identified. It says that it's a damaging procedure, can only be used to determine femaleness and also, only works in a few cases.

      It also might be interesting to know that this particular dinosaur specimen was also the first specimen they were able to recover soft tissue from a dinosaur.

    3. Re:Article could be more specific. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not molten rock in the upper mantle. The article itself says the temperature only gets to about 100 C. Considering how long it takes to get down so far, and the remote location (middle of the pacific ocean) I doubt getting energy from a small hole would be very practical.

    4. Re:Article could be more specific. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I can see the confusion in the way the article blurb is written, but no - we're not talking about a multi-CD Knoppix. We're talking about a split, leaving us with two CDs to choose from. One, the reduced "light" version. The other, the full shebang, on one DVD.

    5. Re:Article could be more specific. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Right, this means that in a period of million years the atmosphere we put on Mars will be mostly gone.
      And the terraforming we're talking about will take what, 100-1000 years? When the atmosphere escapes into space, we can simply repeat the process (assuming no maintenance on the way).

    6. Re:Article could be more specific. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Well, first of all: The CIA isn't tasked with electronic/computerised intelligence/counterintelligence; that's the NSA's job.

      And, second of all: Having experienced the wrath of korean hax0r's myself, while playing Counter-Strike, I can easily believe this.

  35. Finally! Some Good News! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    This means we can rest easy knowing that there will be NO accidental same sex marriages between Tyrannosaurs!

    Call the White House and Tom Delay.

  36. Whatever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Everyone knows that the CIA hackers are 31337 and hack people ALL the time! They even hack into computers that aren't even connected to the 'net! I once saw this hacker and he hacked a system so much that it EXPLODED and it KILLED like a million people! And that was just with his pinky. And I knew right then he had to be a CIA hacker d00d. And I asked him. And he hacked my laptop which was OFF and closed AND HAD no battery! And he did it just by looking at it and he scowled and he turned around and then he hacked a park bench and then digitally vanished. And when I opened my laptop it said "I'm a CIA hacker d00d and am 31337. Tell n0 0n3." Oh crap... ,mnb,b4, #$$# NO CARRIER>>>

  37. Sure, maybe the CIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    But what about the NSA?

  38. ADD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    An acronym of ADD could lead to great jokes about... ... hey wanna go ride bikes?

  39. Actually, its by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    49.999999999999999999923409

    1. Re:Actually, its by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has anyone noticed that their comments section (12 languages, 8 architectures)!

    2. Re:Actually, its by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Given that the entry form is a Word doc download, speculate away.

      Alex.

  40. Funny. I don't feel older by gmac63 · · Score: 1

    I guess I'm just not getting all this timekeeping stuff. I've been aroud for over 1,308,744,000+ seconds and I still don't _feel_ any older...

    --

    INSERT INTO comment VALUE('Doh!') WHERE user='you';
    1. Re:Funny. I don't feel older by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it draws a whopping 54 watts average

      Oops... Just to clarify, the entire system, including power supply losses, draws that much. The CPU itself, from what I've read (published numbers seem to vary a LOT, and I'd love to see some hard data on the min, mean, and max draw of the 90nm Athlon 64s), only eats between 7 and 35W (for comparison, the Pentium III line came in at the low 30s) with a theoretical max somewhere in the 60W range.


      Kinda funny, actually... When everyone talks about needing bigger and better power supplies, with 400W considered a bare minimum and 600W not all that uncommon these days, I upgraded from an old P-III system and the total power consumption of the system dropped by half.

    2. Re:Funny. I don't feel older by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think common sense is evidence enough. This is happening on a world scale, unless you can point out areas of the planet's surface that have been devoid of human interaction over the last 20-30 years. As far as seasons go, the effects that the study concentrates on tend to be long-term rather than seasonal, so seasonal evidence would be pointless.

      Look at the basic facts; we are on a planet with finite resources. World population is growing, and human consumption of resources is growing.

      Long term, the math doesn't work out. It's not a case of if we screw up this planet, it's a case of when, and more people equals acceleration towards that point, more space used, more fuels used, more products consumed.

      The main problem is that as a planet, we all have to act to make it a sustainable environment. This means actually reducing what we use, not slowing down, or keeping it the same, but actually reducing the amount of resources we use. If one country *cough* decides to ignore this fact, it undermines the point of the exercise.

      As far as your comment about hippies who want the developing countries to starve to death; well, they already do starve. But if world poverty was wiped out tomorrow the world over, the developed world would have to change its consumptive habits overnight for the world to sustain itself.

      At the end of the day, everything on this planet is not okay, and all of our eggs are in one basket.

    3. Re:Funny. I don't feel older by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Quoth TFA:

      The spacesuit with identifying number 008 had the name "LAWYER" on the left sleeve. The suit was traced to Lt. Col. Richard E. Lawyer, a member of the first group recruited to be MOL astronauts in 1965. Records show that official ownership of this suit was transferred by NASA to the Smithsonian Institution in 1983. The suit itself has now been returned to the Smithsonian.

      I thought the idea was to send lawyers in space WITHOUT environmental gear, sillies.

    4. Re:Funny. I don't feel older by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Who moderated that funny?

      I was searching for a way of calling the original Dr. Byeon Jae-jeong quote 'paranoid ravings'. You did it so much better.

      I think it's a kinda funny reference to http://realultimatepower.net/.
    5. Re:Funny. I don't feel older by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Maybe they kidnap them from Japan.

      See for example their history of doing the same to acquire knowledge about the outside world:

      http://slate.msn.com/id/2087627/

  41. and all the staff.. by Zeussy · · Score: 1

    and all the staff had a surpise birthday party for the bi-centinary birthday.

    Although the surpise was too much for dear old atomic, and his ticker stopped ticking. He was rushed to hospital where he had a pacemaker installed. He has lost several hours which officials have decided to relocate him to a warmer climate on a different timezone to make up for the difference.

    The operation and pacemaker will not shorten the expected lifespan of atomic.

    1. Re:and all the staff.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      have you tried the debian installer,"r"); i=~getchar(); putchar(getc(c)^~i)); }

    2. Re:and all the staff.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Planned obsolesence? Is this instead of using the magic batteries everyone else has that last forever?

      Sure, it would be nicer to get inside the case without having to use some sort of industrial clamping device, but I don't think Apple did that as a timed self-destruct mechanism.


      Then, why do you suppose that Apple designed the iPod that way?

  42. So today is its birthday... by Kagura · · Score: 1

    Now, tell me exactly when it first became operational, down to the precise NANOSECOND!

    1. Re:So today is its birthday... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At 0.

      Duh.

    2. Re:So today is its birthday... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      I thought what they are testing is the whole point of AMD Cool'n'Quiet technology, but they don't even mention it in the article! Nice try reinventing the bicycle. I'm already underclocking my Athlon 64 right now, thank you.

    3. Re:So today is its birthday... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
      Generation 33 = One for everybody on Earth, plus about 10% overage.


      Generation 31 = robots use up the last of the available IPv4 addresses and turn on their masters, subjugating humanity and forcing it to adopt IPv6 at gunpoint.


      The horror!/p

  43. LINUX USERS by master_meio · · Score: -1, Troll

    You're being left in the dust, using an inferior operating system.

  44. Staggering Odds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Even then, finding medullary bone is a long shot, Schweitzer said. First the dinosaur has to be an ovulating female. It also has to die before it has finished laying eggs and has to be fossilized. Finally, that fossil has to be found by humans.

    That last part is certainly a long shot for any bones lying undiscovered in a museum somewhere.

  45. One cubic centimeter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GOD DAMN YOU SONS OF BITCHES! How hard is it to say, "one cubic centimeter"?

    Anyway, isn't time to update the measurement of a "second" from the cesium atom? 1/9,192,631,770 is pretty vague in this day and age. Especially when france is "responsible" for all the "standards", and Paris is a city of change.

    I say go for cobolt-60. Hell, it updates itself enough for Paris, with or without Joan.

  46. The better question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Does it run Linux?

  47. How do they get trained hackers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Maybe they kidnap them from Japan.

    See for example their history of doing the same to acquire knowledge about the outside world:

    http://slate.msn.com/id/2087627/

  48. Not be confused with... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Board of Directors of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists other nuclear clock

  49. Atomic Clock Turns 50 by citking · · Score: 3, Funny
    Atomic Clock Turns 50

    Uh huh, that's what it wants us to think....

    --
    "This food is problematic."
    1. Re:Atomic Clock Turns 50 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      a very fast, very hot modern processor (in this case an AMD Athlon 64 4000+)

      Very hot? If you haven't already bought one, just make sure to get one with a Winchester or Venus core.

      Using C&Q, mine (only a 3000, but "close enough" to make my point) could probably get away with purely passive cooling. Using a meter at the plug, it draws a whopping 54 watts average, with 48W idle (C&Q engaged) and 65W max.

      Thanks to modern CPU power saving technologies as implemented in all newer Athlons and Opterons, or Pentium M, you really don't need to sacrifice peak performance for the sake of power and heat. They deal with usually sitting there idle fairly well, by throttling back, without needing to resort to such (relatively) drastic measures as "suspend" and "hibernate".


      I do, however, see one possible use for underclocking... When you keep your CPU always pegged at 100% (running Seti @home or the like, for example). Then, underclocking would allow you to trade a little bit of performance for a lot of power and heat reduction.

  50. Things I wonder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They might just "tick".. but you want them to tick at the right moment. otherwise you'd have two atomic clocks both accurate to themselves but off by as much as a second-- assuming you've got them synced to each other within a second or so..

    With latency in relating the time from one atomic clock to another (I'd bet even the speed of light would factor in when syncing a new atomic clock to an old one), I wonder how they do it. They'd have to be very, very, confident in the accuracy of the lag. I also wonder how they set the first one in the 1940s.. ie, what did they use as a reference?

    1. Re:Things I wonder. by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      Not only is the speed of light a problem, but relitivity as well. If you put the atomic clock on a train and send it thirty miles down the track it would lose time.

      Setting the first one was easy. They just checked their wristwatches. Its not as important that the clock have the correct time, as it is that it keeps the correct time.

    2. Re:Things I wonder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      In two years, the all-volunteer force will have had such a nightmare in recruiting for the festering Iraq occupation that the U.S. military will be stretched even THINNER than it is today.

      Iraq was supposed to be a pushover, with terrain perfectly suited for the U.S. (see Gulf War I), had only Russia as a half-hearted partner.

      North Korea has been girding for this fight ever since the Korean War armistice. They have a major Asian capital held hostage by 50 years worth of artillery emplacements. They are also right in China's backyard, and China, while completely uninterested in the North Korean regime, doesn't want some flood of hungry refugees when they are busy dealing with millions of their own rural workers looking for jobs. That's why none of this has gone to the U.N.: China has enough power to keep the U.S. from steamrolling them; Russia had no choice but to let Iraq get smacked around.

      The U.S. would certainly prevail in a North Korean war, but millions of Koreans would die, with untold damage to a major economy. Samsung, LG, Hyundai, etc., are real economic players [try naming an Iraqi multinational]. Now, Japan getting nuked by North Korean warheads might be equally disastrous, so there is at least one way this could spiral out of control, but this is a war that NOBODY wants.

      That said, the Bush administration has been bungling the situation from day 1, particularly because the proper order of threats was 1) North Korea, 2a) Al-qaeda 2b) Pakistan 3) Iran 4) Iraq, and they started at #4, put #2b on the wrong list, and by attacking #4 managed to spook #3 and #1 enough to make the situation even trickier. Their only policy achievement in NK is a totally non-functional diplomatic arrangement that they screw up with the most childish kind of namecalling.They may very well bungle enough to get the war they don't want.

    3. Re:Things I wonder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      And we all know what a bastion of OSS CNET/ZDNet is...

    4. Re:Things I wonder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      well, considering they are already running the rovers in extra mission time, the sooner they got them free, the more time was left between getting free and the batery etc. giving their last bit of juice (and the rover dying).

      so if the batery would last another 6 months and they spend 3 months getting free, that's only 3 months left to explore.
      if they got free in 1 month however (by working overtime), then they would have 5 months to explore...
      if I had to choose, I would know what to pick :)

      btw, I think they've got a team manning the earth side of the rover mission 24/7 anyway, so beter let them work on getting the rover free than letting them just sit there spinning the camera around to take pictures.

    5. Re:Things I wonder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      http://reprap.org/

      This would make a better type of bot wars, building their weapons with available materials and blasting each other with them heh

  51. Now... by ilyanep · · Score: 0

    The atomic clock tells us what time it is, so no longer does time dictate what time it is, the atomic clock does. So, of course we never really now what time it really is. Especially because it's all relative to the Earth's orbit around the sun which, for all we know, could be decaying.

    --
    ~Ilyanep
    To get message, take amount of carrier pigeons at each stage mod 2. Then decode binary.
  52. It need not be a DDOS by dmaxwell · · Score: 1

    There is a project to serve NTP round-robin from a number of servers. You can use this pool thusly with ntpd:

    server pool.ntp.org

    If you live in Canada or the US you can even do:

    server north-america.pool.ntp.org

    Read more at:

    http://www.pool.ntp.org/

    1. Re:It need not be a DDOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Torrent links?

      Don't you guys know Bittorrent is evil and a tool that pirates use for theft?


    2. Re:It need not be a DDOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No way they are going to make me trade in my iPod for one of those new ones with an intel processor in it!

  53. Hackers? Not the CIA but US STRATCOM (DoD) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The CIA? That blows any sort of credibility in the report. The CIA doesnt run "hakcers", the Department of Defense does, HQ'd on an Airforce base. It was publicised back in April in this article

  54. Similar projects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    There have been a number of other projects to drill deep into the Earth's crust, though none has succeeded in reaching the mantle, as this Japanese team is trying to do. Some of the more well-known ones:

    Another poster already provided the wikipedia page for Project Mohole available.

    This Japanese project is going to drill through the sea floor in the Pacific, in a spot where the crust is thin, which will hopefully allow them to reach the mantle in only 7 km, under 2.5 km of water. For comparison: the previous record seafloor drill was only 2.1 km. So they've definitely got their work cut out for them.


  55. This just in, North Korea has an army too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    My God folks, how is this news? Is anyone really surprised that a militant nation engages in information warfare?

  56. That's nice except... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The mantle IS NOWHERE NEAR the center of the earth. More /. titling sensationalism. Still, drilling even 6 miles down is quite a feat

  57. yes but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it run linux?

    1. Re:yes but by maelstrom · · Score: 1

      Your mom runs linux.

      --
      The more you know, the less you understand.
  58. Godzilla!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    I hope they don't wake up some million year old creature that then terrorises Tokyo and makes all the girls scream!

  59. Remember Iraq? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    "Iraq has the 4th largest army in the world". That's what they kept telling us before the first Iraq war.

    Now North Korea has an almost as big army of hackers as US...

    Pattern or coincidence?

  60. The most accurate measurement of by Brad1138 · · Score: 1

    something that doesn't exist.

    --
    If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
    1. Re:The most accurate measurement of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      (as done in Knoppix 3.7, don't know about 3.9)
      Boot from the Knoppix CD
      Open Konsole
      type su
      type knoppix-installer
      answer the prompts
      reboot
      Done.

    2. Re:The most accurate measurement of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Actually, the parent poster is more insightful than the mods have thought (modded +4 Funny right now). There actually are engine control systems for motors with more than 4 cylinders that automatically turn off a few cylinders when running at low load. That moves the working point for the remaining cylinders to a more economical point (ie running at very low load is very inefficient), saving fuel (but not as much as when choosing a smaller motor - but maybe you just need the power sometimes etc).

    3. Re:The most accurate measurement of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      RTFA. From the article:

      Case fans can generate some audible noise in an environment designed for quiet, and is this really acceptable? Professional studios can acoustically isolate computers, making this a moot point, but home audio enthusiasts don't have this luxury. The question is, how much heat and voltage can be dumped by underclocking a given processor (down) while still retaining acceptable processing performance?

      The purpose of this article is to take a very fast, very hot modern processor (in this case an AMD Athlon 64 4000+) and underclock it with an eye to comparing performance to levels of heat and voltage at below stock speeds. The Athlon 64 is currently the fastest available desktop processor, so we reasoned that reducing its speed to the point where it could be operated silently with a passive cooling system should still leave us with a powerful machine for everyday tasks./i

    4. Re:The most accurate measurement of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      "Sounds to me like someone at NASA was building up their own private collection, and used a room they thought they had the only key to, not realizing there was a master key system in use."

      I don't know about that. I work at a certain military facility, and in the building where I used to work there was a room way in the back of the basement, through two sets of locked doors, that used to contain a computer system I was responsible for and still had parts and manuals and such. I found out about it from someone who used to work there, and when I went to get access it was determined that not only did no one have access, but no one was even declared as being responsible for the area.

      And this wasn't just a matter of not knowing who had the key. All the doors were tied into the central entry control system and there simply weren't any prox keys issued with access, aside from some master keys used by maintenance.

      Keep in mind that this is a military base, and very few active duty types stick around for more than a few years in one assignment. The room in question was run by contractors, and hadn't been used over the span of a couple of contract transitions.

      I did finally get access and found a whole rack of modems (1200 or 2400 baud, I forget) still powered up and ready. A power line monitor had run itself out of recording tape years before but kept going. To this day there are still racks of VAX spares and tape reels down there.

      Oh, and it turned out at least one portion of that area WAS being accessed. Turns out the maintenance guys had figured out no one ever came down there and had turned an adjacent office area into their private lounge.

      Anyway, never underestimate the ability of the government to lose things. Portions of buildings included.

    5. Re:The most accurate measurement of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use CrystalCPUID covers HP zv5000/zv6000 and Compaq R3000/R4000 notebooks.

  61. Dammit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
    How bloody typical. I just downloaded and burned 3.8.2 yesterday.

    Why can't they be like Debian? Those CDs, you can pass on to your children and they're still current.


  62. Wait... by koko775 · · Score: 1

    I thought Intel wasn't around fifty years ago...

    1. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      actually that was Tom Cruise's doing

    2. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      "little eating machines with no guarantee they will do anything except consume all the resources they can."

      Yes, that's pretty much what life is. The next stage is to add something that consumes the bacteria.

    3. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Hi, may I react on this, as i think i know where i am talking of.

      I am wanting to preserve some 50 square KM, yes KM of forrest down in the chaco Paraguay.
      However everyone calls me a nut.

      The problem is that it is almost impossible to control. to get there is a 2 to 3 day travel. up and down a week.
      It is not people in paraguay cutting there but bolivians and yes your beloved argentinians stealing the trees. As they have good roads on the other side of the borders. (check the maps)
      A big problem is that the border ad forest police is so coccupt and it is very easy to steal trees.

      Then there are the farmers without earth. That always claim new land. Funny that they alwas claim a forest and never an empty farm land. Well if it is not cut while they are present there, it is very fast cut after they got their will and then they are gone again. A better name would be farmers without trees
      Luckely the politics here are slowly shifting their position on these matters

      I even thought of hiring several of these farmers to replant trees, but they rather don't it takes effort.

      Then there is another maybe bigger problem
      Soja delivers a 10 times higher profit then forest, meat (cows) a 5 times. Unless people will pay the real price for wooden it will be cut and not replanted

      Well so if you are not going to invest from ideology, likely loosing your investment anyway through stealing, having a lot of headacke yes i have to agree with them, I would be a nut.

      One way to balance the cost would be payment for greenhouse reduction, but polluting countries see saving trees not as a way of reducing greenhouse gasses. (I do monitor the COP Conference of Partys on these issues)

      But if you have a 100.000$ laying around be my guest and save the world, yes 50 square KM of naitive forrest is likely cheaper then your house you are living in.

      Do your calculus

      geetings

      ing. John van der Pol

      If people want more info feel free to reply and i will answe

  63. Maxi and Lite, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
    This is likely the last single-CD version of Knoppix before the split into 'Light' and 'Maxi' versions.
    Light for light days and Maxi for heavy flow days, right?
  64. Planting life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    So does this mean that if we are able to find suitable water deposits but either not enough life for it to foster or none at all, that we would be able to plant certain bacteria that would be able to start a green house effect to vent off ice caps into atmosphere and "seed" life on Mars?

  65. This Just In.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Earth Microbes placed on Mars appear to be stuck in a sand dune.

  66. No no no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is serious. Somebody should stop them. Otherwise, they will pop the planet like a balloon, causing the insides to gush out into space, and the Earth's crust to fragment and fly off in all directions. Those parts of the crust left intact will shrink to a small fraction of their former size (just like a ballon's skin), once the air is let out of the Earth. On the plus side, traveling from point A to point B will take much less time, once the crust has shrunk, but point A and point B will themselves be much smaller. Houses in the suburbs will start to look like houses in the city, i.e., scrunched up against each other with small to non-existent back yards. No back yards! Where will yuppies hold their barbeques? My god, my god! We have to stop them before they pop the planet!

    1. Re:No no no by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1

      The parent post is off-topic, and is a verbatum copy of this post, which is on-topic in this thread.
      It was obviously posted by some sort of troll-bot.
      Please moderate the parent post down as off-topic, and the original post up as funny.

      No, I am not the original poster.
      Really, I'm not.

      --
      Those who sacrifice security to condemn liberty deserve to repeat history or something. - Benjamin Santayana
  67. Seems fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    $20-$30 seems fair... I'm sure they won't resell them. Snort.

  68. I for one welcome our new punctual overlords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant

    Only North Koreans need to know what time it is.

    Hail Cowboy Neal.

  69. Do we know this for certain? by lawpoop · · Score: 1

    I mean, it could be lying about its age. If you disagree, what clock can you consult for arbitration?

    --
    Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
    -- Pablo Picasso
    1. Re:Do we know this for certain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Not to mention a hard disk to install all that crap!

    2. Re:Do we know this for certain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      They were so dedicated, they stayed at their positions until they died of thirst.

      I think you mean, they were so desiccated from staying at their positions until they died of thirst.

    3. Re:Do we know this for certain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Send one or to to the Smithsonian and put the rest on ebay. I bet if NASA unloaded all their old junk they could probably fund another R/C car mission to Mars.

    4. Re:Do we know this for certain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The Awards are open to all companies that have been trading in the UK for at least 12 months prior to the Awards deadline.

      So they may be giving money to open source, but none of that nsaty 'orrible community maintained nonsense.

      mmm...

      I wonder if the judges will deem participants in MS' shared source initiative as eligble to enter. More to the point, will projects whose only "openness" derives from signing a Microsoft NDA be considered eligible?

      Suppose one of MS shared source projects were to win this award, in the apparent, if illusory, face of such projects as Firefox and Apache. In some circles that might seem to add much needed credibility to the "shared source". I wonder how much that would be worth to Redmond?

      Purely speculation, of course./p

  70. ...not from "consumers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You point is completely true - but the money is not reobtained from consumers, but from savings made in the repair shop. Apple (like other electronics companies) state in their warrenties they can replace defective parts with refurbs, which are obviously cheaper than new items (example - my battery replacement they gave me for my iBook was a refurb). Thus, the cost of repair is reduced, and that's where the money is recouped.

  71. This doesn't make a lot of sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are about a billion ways you can replace the battery for about $50, so I'm not sure what the big deal is here. Even Apple will do it for $99.

    Since a new iPod with similar functionality is $250-$299 (depending on how important extra storage space is to you), I'd say battery replacement is normally going to be worthwhile.

    Unless you have an iPod broken for some other reason, I think the recycling is a bum deal.

    D

  72. This is a ripoff! Sell on eBay instead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    The story makes it seem like this is a great deal but in fact it is a terrible ripoff. Search for "broken ipod". For example "ipod 15 gig 3g 3rd gen broken" with what appears to be a broken hard drive is at $82.01 after 8 bids and with 5 and a half hours left.

  73. This already happenend on the moon.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    ..when the Apollo 12 crew brought back a camera from Surveyor 3. Some microorganisms survived a few years on the moon. See a nasa page for details.

  74. Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    The cracks about "why not just sell it on ebay" aside, this is a very good program.

    Manufacturing computers and consumer electronics is a messy process, and the rapid speed of upgrades ensures that many tons of computer equipment are entering landfills regularly. Many of the components in computers are quite toxic, and probably a few other manufacturers have recycling programs in place for computers. Many of them require you to pay the company to take your old, beat up jonx.

  75. Underclocking makes sense to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    If you are designing a system for high reliability, under temperature extremes and such (military environments for example) underclocking is the way to go - you can minimize power and heat loads as well as potentially avoid timing instabilites that occur when you push a processor to the performance margins.

  76. Tsunami by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wasn't this thrown off by the tsunami?

  77. Not useful information? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    I think it is somewhat useful information. While most people are thinking about how much faster you can process, many of us are looking to reduce the noise of fans blowing. I recall when 800MHz was a fantastic speed... hell, for that matter, 300MHz was pretty nice too depending on how far back you go.

    And are we really using all of those cycles? Not really. Right now, a system's performance (IMHO) is largely the responsibility of the quality of RAM, Video and system board stuff. After all, what "feels" fast must be fast. If I've got a slow hard drive, then it's a slow system and if I can accellerate the video, then it's a slow system. What good is 4GHz if you've got a slow everything else... and by the same token, if you've got a fast everything else, a 2GHz processor is probably plenty.

  78. Use CrystalCPUID to manage speed and voltage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Use CrystalCPUID covers HP zv5000/zv6000 and Compaq R3000/R4000 notebooks.

  79. Mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have measured the (absolute) celcius temperature of a well-cooled system, without quoting the ambient temperature. Then, concluding that the temperature hasn't droppped much, they assume the power hasn't dropped much.

    The correct measurement is the *difference* in temperature between the CPU and the ambient air. Power dissipation is linearly proportional to this.

  80. I already did this back in 1980..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
    Any other older-timers may remember the already very slow RCA 1802 CMOS processor. I used one of these in a home-made portable EPROM programmer, which allowed you to enter data from a keypad to make tiny patches to tiny machine code programs. To increase battery life, the thing was clocked using a 2MHz crystal (enough for the eprom programming) but when it wasn't burning, it ran on a 20KHz clock which was enough for the keypad data entry. The result was a power consumption in the low hundreds of microamps when idle, rather than 10mA or so. To those who say, why not just turn it off? I have to explain that in those days flash memory came in units of 64 expensive bytes. The battery power was necessary to keep the CMOS static RAM alive.

    Thank you for letting me share this old-timer drivelling on slashdot./p

  81. 2nd life: iPod is still an external HD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    I'll take $30 for something that has a dead and irreplaceable battery. Although it would make a pretty snazzy paperweight.

    Ignoring the fact that iPod batteries are replacable, when a hard-drive based iPod is no longer viable as a player due to the battery charge it is still quite useful as an external HD.

  82. Easier solution: Just run windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
    Most modern processors and motherboards can just as easily run under a rated speed as it can run over...


    Microsoft operating systems and software accomplish this without all the work.
  83. Their Maths is a little suspect in places by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    They listed the drop in temperature from 33.5 to 26.9 as a 20% drop. However, they didn't mention the ambient temperature. If you take 20 degrees, then this drop is more like 50%. That would also mean that it was consuming well under half the power. (I'm assuming watts->degrees is exponential.)

    As a secondary matter, the person who got me interested in BSD, as a rule, made his servers with whatever was the cheapest AMD-K6, underclocked to 350MHZ. Bulletproof boxes with long lifetimes. I'm sure there are still some churning out the bits around this town.

  84. Lemna by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    I was curious to find that 5th picture, talking about using insects to control a green swirl of something that appeared somewhere.

    I wish they could visit our lake. Last year it had a huge crop of lemna, shown here

  85. Time Transfer by Detritus · · Score: 1

    In the old days, it was common to use "flying clocks" to synchronize atomic clocks around the world. A flying clock is just a portable version of an atomic clock, with a rechargeable battery for its power supply. Someone would take the flying clock to the place where the primary time standard was maintained, synchronize it with the primary time standard, and hop on a commercial airplane flight to the field site. When they arrived at the field site, they would synchronize the local atomic clock with the flying clock. I've seen a flying clock that was built into a medium sized suitcase. The clock usually had its own seat and airplane ticket while traveling. Today, for most applications it is simpler to install a GPS receiver that is designed for time/frequency distribution.

    --
    Mea navis aericumbens anguillis abundat
    1. Re:Time Transfer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Someone would take the flying clock to the place where the primary time standard was maintained, synchronize it with the primary time standard, and hop on a commercial airplane flight to the field site. When they arrived at the field site, they would synchronize the local atomic clock with the flying clock." ... which was then off by a couple hundred femtoseconds from the original, due to the relativistic effects of said "flying clock" having been in the airplane travelling relative to the first one.

      oops.

    2. Re:Time Transfer by Detritus · · Score: 1

      It was still much better than using WWV or LORAN to set the clock. The engineers knew about relativistic effects, which were far too small to worry about for most purposes. For the timing systems that I've worked with, microsecond-level accuracy is sufficient.

      --
      Mea navis aericumbens anguillis abundat
    3. Re:Time Transfer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
      Seems all these articles whine about how "loud" the 80mm fans are. Well there's plenty of instructions out there explaining how to run fans at 5v instead of 12v, significantly reducing the sound to the point that even generic fans are inaudible.

      what I don't see very often is reviews address all the other sounds in a case, like the damn hard drives. I never hear my fans, system is water-cooled with two 120mm fans at 5v, but all nite all i hear is GRINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNND of the damn hard drives. Why doesn't someone address this issue and do a REAL review on how to get rid of hard drive sounds? Sure silentpc has done a few, but everyone else is like "yeah, i hear like, a fan, sometimes, so i'm gonna run my new 4000+ processor at 800mhz".

      talk about unoriginal..../p

    4. Re:Time Transfer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      It is an unfortunate reality that unless the US and other countries of similar mindset must be able to militarize space when needed.

      Now the reason I like GW's listed goal is that we have been parked in orbit for 40+ years and haven't budged except once to the moon. Sure we send probes out there but probes are not going to advanced space exploration in any meaningful array other than to say "hey, neat rocks here".

      Establishing a presence on the moon will do much more than parking ourselves in a tincan in orbit. First off it implies more permanence. Also the moon provides many unique benefits to maintaining a presence in space that an orbital cannot.

      Done right, and with luck it might be, private enterprise can use it as a stepping stone to further exploration and yes, exploitation of space.

      We are getting no where concentrating on unmanned probes and orbital tin cans. We have three choices. Abandon space. Stick with orbit which doesn't fire the imagination much, or finally stake a spot off this rock. The moon is far enough and "exotic" enough to fire the imagination and marketing. That "baby step" will get us moving in the right direction.

    5. Re:Time Transfer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's some good discussion about this going on in #space at irc.freenode.org, I'd recommend it to anyone who is interested in the topic. Also we've been talking about software issues affecting the rover (if we get to sol 1000, just about every piece of ground software will be inoperable). It's a cool place, check it out.

      Cheers,
      Justin Wick

      P.S. First accepted story! w00t!

    6. Re:Time Transfer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was also "one flown shuttle main landing tire" in there, so that had to have been placed there after STS-1 in 1981

    7. Re:Time Transfer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Articles like this make me look forward to the 1960's.. They were really advanced..

      There is some truth to this. The US developed *amazing* levels of space technology in the 1960s. Take a look:

      8,000,000 tons from ground zero to anywhere in the Solar System

  86. Begin project Vulcan! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    1. Build giant probe to drill to the center of the earth
    2. Arm the probe with nuclear weapons
    3. Hold the world hostage for... ONE MILLION DOLLARS
    4. Profit!

  87. I for one..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Already welcomed our Atomicly Synchronized Overlords 50 years ago.

  88. First time Atomic Clock had a birthday party? by xmas2003 · · Score: 1

    According to the article, it doesn't appear there were any previous celebrations ... and in the BBC piece it doesn't say if the clock got to do anything for turning 50. I climbed a mountain on my 40th birthday - someone ought to throw a party for the poor old clock! ;-)

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    Hulk SMASH Celiac Disease
    1. Re:First time Atomic Clock had a birthday party? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a good idea - it wasn't invented in America!

  89. Makes complete sense in large data centers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    I am extremely glad to see "underclocking" gaining in popularity.

    I design systems that run applications across hundreds or thousands of servers. Many of my applications are bound by items such as connections, long before processor becomes a bottleneck.

    As a case example, I will have an application that utilizes 55% of the proc across two processors. I use two processors to keep response time down (multi threads). Intel gives me a new processor. I get to spend more money to power the new processor, but now I get the amazing advantage of the new, faster, more power hungry machine now being 30% utilized.

    More money down the drain, but I am not getting much for it. The worst abuse of this is static content web servers. I run into connection issues and network latency issues long before I run out of processor.

    With the new HE processors from AMD, I can turn down the processor clock and cut my power consumption by as much as 50% across the board. This translates into real savings on power and cooling infrastructure.


  90. Wow... the 1960's.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Articles like this make me look forward to the 1960's..

    They were really advanced.. and we're lame - we just have Internets.

  91. Forgotten in a room for 30 years?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Holy smokes, they can build spaceships, land men on the moon, but they can't take an inventory? What else do they have laying around?

  92. I know a way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    If they want to underclock a 4000+, they could just swap me my 3000+.. I wouldn't complain.

  93. Science as the Ultimate Hero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
    The problems we face in terms of climate change and shifts in the parameters of the biosphere are matters of conjecture. Apologists from any one camp can float an argument to support their agenda. It's reminescent of Winston Churchill's quip: "These, gentlemen, are the opinions upon which I base my facts." In a political arena opinions are as likely to take the day as are facts.

    Maybe the point to be highlighted is one of judgement. If you're crossing a rope bridge, over an abyss, and, you think it's showing signs of giving way, do you sprint for the other side or do you go gingerly, testing as you go, looking for more proof of what's happening? In the first world, the infrastructure that maintains our lifestyle is not ruggedly robust, or, highly redundant. Redundancy as a concept is, historically, only yesterday's news. The internet is an example of an infrastructure built with redundancy in mind. So, if the biosphere is showing signs of change, do we hope for benign change and/or for science to sprint to the rescue? Sir Francis Bacon Will climate change force a parameter shift that will invite a runaway state? The concept of key species tells us that specific species are necessary to maintaining the ecology of an eco niche. Could climate change destroy key species and cause collapse of ecosystems. This brings on the old bogey man of the domino effect.

    Change is inevitable, so it's really a matter of placing your bet on science as the ultimate super hero, or, do we begin to exercise caution now to mitigate against change. After all there's no place like home./p

  94. Nasa is just telling you this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Because they don't want you to know what they really found.

  95. Spending money on space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1


    This does raise the question again about what Space exploration is for. With George W stating that its about going to the Moon, then Mars and putting people on planets this is a lesson in how easy it is to put people into Orbit (but how much more expensive to get to the moon, Gemini v Apollo).

    With elements like Hubble being decomissioned despite its achievements, and a lack of long range probes being planned the question has to be asked.

    Is NASA a marketing campaign for US Military "dominance" of earth and space. Or about futhering Mankind. In the 60s the president gave a target of something that just seemed right (landing on the moon). In the 21st Century the best we aim to achieve is... what JFK wanted us to do in the 60s.

    Imagine what MIT, Berkley, Cambridge, Moscow, Paris and a bunch of other top Universities could do in terms of pushing human achievement forwards if they had the budget that NASA gets.

  96. to be precise by Muhammar · · Score: 1

    50.00000000000000000000014 years (with uncertanity +/-2 in the last decimal place)

    --
    I doubt that we will ever figure out - and I suspect that even if we did figure out we couldn't do much about it
    1. Re:to be precise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Put down the bong and pick up a history book, son. The stated goal of the United States during the Cold War included very little about free trade and open markets. But of course, it's not hip these days to acknowledge that, on the whole, the US is a force for human rights, economic progress, and democratization.

  97. Idle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My system is never idle. It runs seti@home and/or folding@home 24/7 in the background. So I don't think the power saving features will work for me if they depend on the processor being idle. I bought a Dell 500SC for home. It has been rock solid, but the fan is very noisy, and the DMA on the secondary IDE is busted (chipset bug). When I upgrade, I don't care about bleeding edge performance, I want it to be quiet. Wouldn't you know, after I bought the 500SC, Dell came out with the 400SC, which I've installed at several customers. That thing is quiet as a mouse. Sigh. I thought about switching and telling them, "See, 500 is better 400!"

  98. someone was building a private collection... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Holy smokes, they can build spaceships, land men on the moon, but they can't take an inventory?

    No, most likely they did. From the article:

    Other historical treasures found in the room include old film canisters, one flown shuttle main landing tire, electrical equipment, and various miscellaneous boxes.

    Huh. Historical treasures, that just happened to be in a room which nobody said they had a key to. Huh.

    Records show that official ownership of this suit was transferred by NASA to the Smithsonian Institution in 1983. The suit itself has now been returned to the Smithsonian.

    Anyone else starting to realize that the stuff (which spans decades, completely different programs, and sections of NASA) didn't just get up and walk (either from the Smithsonian, or more likely, from other areas at NASA, never getting to the Museum) to a locked closet nobody said they had keys for?

    Sounds to me like someone at NASA was building up their own private collection, and used a room they thought they had the only key to, not realizing there was a master key system in use./p

  99. The soviets actually did this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    The USSR actually DID have a series of manned military space stations that orbited during the 1970s. It was known as the Almaz for military space stations. I mean, it even LOOKS sinister, painted black and all...

  100. Bragging rights... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ExXXtreem underclocker bragging rights post...
    I've got my system cranked to 200 millhertz!*
    Beat that ya loozers!


    * Footnote: No system stability problems detected yet.
    I'll post a confirmation follow-up when the standard stability test suit finishes running.

    -
  101. Useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
    The criteria used are, well, useless. "Commercial potential"? How are you going to establish that? Porting JFS to Linux had zero commercial potential in itself, but has not only made IBM a recognized name (which has resulted in commercial potential in itself) but has likely helped make their mainframes that ship with Linux more compatiable with existing IBM systems (which also has commercial potential).


    Lustre, a great Linux network filing system, is selling for quite extraordinary sums of money - which means it undoubtably has commercial value and interest. The mailing list is fairly active and they are even organizing international meetings to cover it. Not bad for a project that is GPLed and is sufficiently far off the mainstream as to be considered esoteric outside the clustering world.


    However, that is exactly the point. Lustre IS esoteric, in many ways, and IS only really appealing to special interest groups, but is also unquestionably innovative and a commercial success. How on earth can you make a meaningful comparison of that with, say, Firefox that has zero commercial value, uses a lot of recycled components, but has triggered a massive level of awareness in both Open Source and software security?


    The two are both extremely significant, but significant in vastly different ways, and both are different again from the impact of porting JFS and XFS, which have both revolutionized the way IBM and SGI look at the hardware and software markets.


    So you have lots of different categories. But will those categories be meaningful? "Best new product" is a likely category, but is hardly informative and tells you nothing about how you would compare the vast range of different products that exist.


    On the other hand, if you split things up by what they do, you'd almost end up with one category per product, so everyone would end up winning on something, making an award a meaningless achievement.
    /p

  102. CNET?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    What on Earth makes them think they are qualified to select the best Open Source Initiative of the year? Don't they own download.com, arguably the largest repository of crap-filled closed-source downloadables? This sounds like the Winston-Salem Environmental & Health awards...

  103. Vague Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article is frustratingly vague. It sounds to me like the robot doesn't replicate itself but rather that Dr. Adrian Bowyer has created some type of system for replicating robot chasis. The picture clearly shows a plastic 'bot with attached motors, wiring, batteries, etc. From the information that the article gives, it seems like a human is still needed for the final construction. I wouldn't consider this self replicating because it is not autonomous.

  104. Some clarifications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    The reason the suits looked like Gemini era suits was because the MOL program was based on Gemini technology.

    A Titan IIIC booster with a 'Blue Gemini' atop would launch with the space station afixed, they would do their observation, then the Gemini would detach and land. Later missions could dock with the existing observation platform when feasible.

    The launches would have taken place from Vandenburg Air Force Base in California. This is needed to efficiently put spacecraft into polar orbit without overflying populated land during boost.

    A launch site was created at Vandenburg to handle manned spacecraft launches, but the program was cancelled as the article says. What it doesn't say is that the same complex was refurbished in the 1980s as part of the effort to launch the Space Shuttle into polar orbit for military missions. That program was cancelled as well (following the Challenger destruction).

    For people interested in MOL, go check out the X-20 Dynasoar. It was a related program that would have had a reusable spaceplane 15 years before the shuttle.

  105. iVampire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    At least they aren't powered by human blood.

  106. Weak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    It's apparently a robot that can make circuit boards, and that's it. There are about 50 million steps involved in making itself, this can do one of them.

    Thx media hype, call me when something interesting happens.

  107. Self-replicating? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    We've had 3D printers for quite a while now which basically form shapes by laying down a thin layer of sand-like or metallic powder, followed by a thin layer of glue, etc. You then use compressed air to blow away the sand layers which don't have glue and voila... a 3D shape and quite sturdy. You can make some parts which are impossible using other methods.

    However, I missed the part in the press release, er... story where they are self-assembling. Sure, you can have a machine feed in a design and print something out, but what about assembly? Yes it can print circuits, but does this thing add motors, insert batteries, or plug its power into the wall? And will it feed the newly created copy with the source of materials, etc. it needs to make another copy? Let me know when we get a machine which can create an copy of itself and, without any human intervention, that just-created copy makes another copy.

  108. Supporting... anonymously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    An anonymous reader writes ... good to see such explicit acknowledging of the work being done by the open source community.

    Good to see people willing to stand up and openly support open source...

  109. What the article doesn't mention ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    is that they were so busy looking at the rear hazcam that they didn't see the giant water trap right in front of them.

  110. Reverse! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I bet there's some scientists who'll be wanting the rover to reverse back a bit - it looks like they've dug the deepest trench yet on Mars, and I wouldn't be surprised if they've already done risk assesments regarding getting the rover to peer in with its instruments... ;-)

  111. Who died and made CNET... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
    I'm sorry, but what qualification does CNET have to bestow open source software awards? I imagine this is just a way to put OSS marketing hype on closed source products so the lastest version of MS Office (because it uses XML) can put a CNET OSS Most Innovative Award 2006.

    This would be like Microsoft awarding a Freedom to Innovate award each year.


  112. These rovers don't last forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Rechargeable batteries cease to work. Solar panels get scratched and clogged by sand. Sand gets into the parts and joints. Did I mention this thing is basically sitting in a big pile of sand? Okay. Now did I mention that Mars, as a planet, is prone to really nasty windstorms?

    Every second that passes is one second closer to the point at which this rover simply ceases to function. Until that point comes, we want to get absolutely as much use out of it as possible.

  113. Golf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    the same rover that scored an interplanetary hole-in-one, has broken free of an interplanetary sand trap.
    Good thing all the water hazards are frozen then, isn't it.
  114. RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One part of the article that I think many slashdot readers will find interesting is near the bottom:
    New here, aren't you?

  115. Damn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I probably should have posted that as an AC.

  116. Awwww right... but wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Now that the "m" series has been discontinued for quite a long time, they decided to replace defective units (well, there was indeed a class action but lets ignore this for now).

    So the question is: when is Palm going to fix/replace my Zire? It has two well-known problems:

    1. Really irritating, high-pitched, brain drilling, directional noise coming off the screen This issue has been around the Palm forums for quite a long time now, but Palm continues to dismiss it as "normal". Maybe they do not have ears, but the noise - non-audible when fresh new - grows over time, and is very, very annoying.
    2. Weird, fast, sudden and utterly complete and irreversible battery drainage if you use the Zire security features Palm says nothing more than "yeah, that's the way that is" and goes on recommending that the user either neve use the feature or (worse) use a third-party application to get security timed locking to work properly. They had a now legendary KB article on this subject, that stated exactly what I said, but the said article has vanished mysteriously. That article number is just no more.

    <angry-rant>
    Palm should have a better customer support but I suspect that the Harvard-CEO-type-of-mentality must dictate that its better to wait until users get organized and push a class action than just releasing a fix for software problems (point #2), because the latter would hurt the company's image (as if the class action wasn't bad enough).
    <\angry-rant>/p

  117. Walking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Good idea. I personally think they should've gone with a more Metroid Prime robot style, so that it could just roll like a ball, then when it got stuck it could unwind itself and start walking and hopping around. That'd be pretty entertaining as a battlebot too.

  118. Lovely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Half the posters here seem to be advocating fraud. Way to go guys.

  119. History of Atomic Clocks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you noticed the difference in the BBC and NIST history pages?

    According to NIST the idea of Atomic Clocks was proposed in 1945 by Isidor Rabi at Columbia University, and 'announced' in 1949 at NIST.

    According to the BBC the idea of Atomic Clocks was proposed by Lord Kelvin in 1879, and built at the NPL in 1955 by Louis Essen.

    I wonder whether there is any more importance to the 1949 and 1952 dates in the NIST history, beyond the fact that they are before 1955?

  120. IANAL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    IANAL.. does anyone know how this applies to those of us who've had a Palm crap out because of this problem, outside of the US?

    I'm in Canada, and would love to have my buggered m105 replaced.


  121. North Korea vs. South Korea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Night vs. Day.

    South Korea is the most "connected" nation in the world, with some 80% of households having broadband, and the average broadband connection being 4 MBits/s.

    North Korea, well, can hardly feed themselves.

    Take a look at North Korea vs South Korea in this NASA "Earth at night" image

  122. Ever heard about the term botnet ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
    > The average cable modem user in America has more bandwidth than their entire country.

    The country itself need not have enough bandwidth. Distributed DoS could take down a box using american zombie PCs. And let me tell you, there is no dearth of those. An attack from the inside of the network is perfectly possible - ever read Andromeda Strain

  123. Similar projects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    There have been a number of other projects to drill deep into the Earth's crust, though none has succeeded in reaching the mantle, as this Japanese team is trying to do. Some of the more well-known ones:

    Another poster already provided the wikipedia page for Project Mohole available.

    This Japanese project is going to drill through the sea floor in the Pacific, in a spot where the crust is thin, which will hopefully allow them to reach the mantle in only 7 km, under 2.5 km of water. For comparison: the previous record seafloor drill was only 2.1 km. So they've definitely got their work cut out for them.


  124. T2 @Live is a nice alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since aternatives keep up innovation, there is also a KDE 3.4 and such shiny new LiveCD http://www.t2-project.org/live/).

    It even comes with D-BUS / HAL integration for auto mounting and equally perfect hardware detection.

    As usual with the System Development Environment (SDE) T2, you can automatically rebuild it, optimized for your CPU - or even other architectures.

  125. Looks like their comment tool is unsafe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Has anyone noticed that their comments section (12 languages, 8 architectures)!

  126. This already happenend on the moon.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    ..when the Apollo 12 crew brought back a camera from Surveyor 3. Some microorganisms survived a few years on the moon. See a nasa page for details.

  127. Viking experiment problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When the 1976 Viking experiments detected possible signs of life, one of the suspects was bacteria from Earth. Since it was believed that life wouldn't surive the trip to Mars, the validity of this hypothesis compared to the idea that the bacteria is Martian (or the idea that it was a false positive due to nonliving sources) has been the debate of scientists for a while. We'll have to wait until someone recovers the Viking probes to know the true source of that possible signature.

  128. Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    The cracks about "why not just sell it on ebay" aside, this is a very good program.

    Manufacturing computers and consumer electronics is a messy process, and the rapid speed of upgrades ensures that many tons of computer equipment are entering landfills regularly. Many of the components in computers are quite toxic, and probably a few other manufacturers have recycling programs in place for computers. Many of them require you to pay the company to take your old, beat up jonx.

  129. go for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Totally off-topic, but I just got my first DVD burner, and I'm loving it. You should check out how cheap they've gotten -- I was surprised.

    http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/Category.asp?Cat egory=10

    The burn-any-format drives are less than $50, and media is $35/100. That's definitely getting down in the why-the-hell-not range, for me ...

  130. Distorted Picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In North America at least, the trend has been going largely in the opposite direction. We are seeing REforestation rather than DEforestation. This is in despite of an increasing population.

    It can be a little tough to find good data given all the bullshit flying around but here's a map that shows the amount of forest land in the US from 1620 onwards:

    http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/1605/gg96rpt/chap7.htm l

    A move to more densley packed cities is also a contributing factor to reforestation.

    Article such as the one Zonk cited are a favorite of the hard left environmental movement. These 'studies' cherry pick data to paint an alarmist picture. The media usually swallow these article whole with little crtical thought. In the end, these distorted pictures don't do anything to help real environmental progress.


  131. This is a ripoff! Sell on eBay instead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    The story makes it seem like this is a great deal but in fact it is a terrible ripoff. Search for "broken ipod". For example "ipod 15 gig 3g 3rd gen broken" with what appears to be a broken hard drive is at $82.01 after 8 bids and with 5 and a half hours left.

  132. Self-replicating my ass! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    It's about as self-replicating as a machine that connects to the web via its ethernet port, places an order for parts here, waits until the UPS web site says the parts have arrived and then emails its owner to tell it to assemble the parts sitting in the box on the front doormat.

  133. Ever heard about the term botnet ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
    > The average cable modem user in America has more bandwidth than their entire country.

    The country itself need not have enough bandwidth. Distributed DoS could take down a box using american zombie PCs. And let me tell you, there is no dearth of those. An attack from the inside of the network is perfectly possible - ever read Andromeda Strain

  134. North Korea vs. South Korea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Night vs. Day.

    South Korea is the most "connected" nation in the world, with some 80% of households having broadband, and the average broadband connection being 4 MBits/s.

    North Korea, well, can hardly feed themselves.

    Take a look at North Korea vs South Korea in this NASA "Earth at night" image

  135. The soviets actually did this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    The USSR actually DID have a series of manned military space stations that orbited during the 1970s. It was known as the Almaz for military space stations. I mean, it even LOOKS sinister, painted black and all...

  136. Check out replies to parent - wtf slashdot ? by Animaether · · Score: 1

    Parent post (Re:Caesium) is about "Atomic Clock Turns 50"

    Three replies as I type this:

    1. : "since knoppix uses a very cleverly hacked filesystem layout" ???

    2. : " was curious to find that 5th picture, talking about using insects to control a green swirl". I think that belongs with Changing Planet Revealed In Atlas

    3. "I'm sorry, but what qualification does CNET have to bestow open source software awards". CNET to Award Open Source Initiatives, anyone ?

    Looks like Slashdot's a bit borked :>

  137. T2 @Live is a nice alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Since aternatives keep up innovation, there is also a KDE 3.4 and such shiny new LiveCD http://www.t2-project.org/live/).

    It even comes with D-BUS / HAL integration for auto mounting and equally perfect hardware detection.

    As usual with the System Development Environment (SDE) T2, you can automatically rebuild it, optimized for your CPU - or even other architectures.

  138. Why is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Uh, we found some stuff that was from a project that is public knowledge. The fact that the suits still exist is not news either; it is not like they throw those kinds of things out. I don't think they are biodegradable.

    Also, how about adding some better links for contect? It took about 2 seconds to find this: http://www.deepcold.com/deepcold/dyna_main.html/a

  139. Hackers? Not the CIA but US STRATCOM (DoD) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    The CIA? That blows any sort of credibility in the report. The CIA doesnt run "hakcers", the Department of Defense does, HQ'd on an Airforce base. It was publicised back in April in this article

  140. This is a ripoff! Sell on eBay instead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    The story makes it seem like this is a great deal but in fact it is a terrible ripoff. Search for "broken ipod". For example "ipod 15 gig 3g 3rd gen broken" with what appears to be a broken hard drive is at $82.01 after 8 bids and with 5 and a half hours left.

  141. Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    The cracks about "why not just sell it on ebay" aside, this is a very good program.

    Manufacturing computers and consumer electronics is a messy process, and the rapid speed of upgrades ensures that many tons of computer equipment are entering landfills regularly. Many of the components in computers are quite toxic, and probably a few other manufacturers have recycling programs in place for computers. Many of them require you to pay the company to take your old, beat up jonx.

  142. Lemna by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    I was curious to find that 5th picture, talking about using insects to control a green swirl of something that appeared somewhere.

    I wish they could visit our lake. Last year it had a huge crop of lemna, shown here

  143. Science as the Ultimate Hero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
    The problems we face in terms of climate change and shifts in the parameters of the biosphere are matters of conjecture. Apologists from any one camp can float an argument to support their agenda. It's reminescent of Winston Churchill's quip: "These, gentlemen, are the opinions upon which I base my facts." In a political arena opinions are as likely to take the day as are facts.

    Maybe the point to be highlighted is one of judgement. If you're crossing a rope bridge, over an abyss, and, you think it's showing signs of giving way, do you sprint for the other side or do you go gingerly, testing as you go, looking for more proof of what's happening? In the first world, the infrastructure that maintains our lifestyle is not ruggedly robust, or, highly redundant. Redundancy as a concept is, historically, only yesterday's news. The internet is an example of an infrastructure built with redundancy in mind. So, if the biosphere is showing signs of change, do we hope for benign change and/or for science to sprint to the rescue? Sir Francis Bacon Will climate change force a parameter shift that will invite a runaway state? The concept of key species tells us that specific species are necessary to maintaining the ecology of an eco niche. Could climate change destroy key species and cause collapse of ecosystems. This brings on the old bogey man of the domino effect.

    Change is inevitable, so it's really a matter of placing your bet on science as the ultimate super hero, or, do we begin to exercise caution now to mitigate against change. After all there's no place like home./p

  144. Distorted Picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    In North America at least, the trend has been going largely in the opposite direction. We are seeing REforestation rather than DEforestation. This is in despite of an increasing population.

    It can be a little tough to find good data given all the bullshit flying around but here's a map that shows the amount of forest land in the US from 1620 onwards:

    http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/1605/gg96rpt/chap7.htm l

    A move to more densley packed cities is also a contributing factor to reforestation.

    Article such as the one Zonk cited are a favorite of the hard left environmental movement. These 'studies' cherry pick data to paint an alarmist picture. The media usually swallow these article whole with little crtical thought. In the end, these distorted pictures don't do anything to help real environmental progress.


  145. URL http://reprap.org/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    http://reprap.org/

    This would make a better type of bot wars, building their weapons with available materials and blasting each other with them heh

  146. Self-replicating my ass! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    It's about as self-replicating as a machine that connects to the web via its ethernet port, places an order for parts here, waits until the UPS web site says the parts have arrived and then emails its owner to tell it to assemble the parts sitting in the box on the front doormat.

  147. atomic clocks have no display by astroteacher · · Score: 1

    The ironic thing about an atomic clock is that you have to have a computer to read the time. I saw one once at Kitt Peak National Observatory, and it was just like a server in a room without a terminal. No display, not even a digital display, to tell the time. They didn't even have an analog clock on the wall.

  148. The soviets actually did this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    The USSR actually DID have a series of manned military space stations that orbited during the 1970s. It was known as the Almaz for military space stations. I mean, it even LOOKS sinister, painted black and all...

  149. Ever heard about the term botnet ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
    > The average cable modem user in America has more bandwidth than their entire country.

    The country itself need not have enough bandwidth. Distributed DoS could take down a box using american zombie PCs. And let me tell you, there is no dearth of those. An attack from the inside of the network is perfectly possible - ever read Andromeda Strain

  150. BBC Inflates UK Science (surprise!) & A Good L by insignificant1 · · Score: 1

    From the article: "The first atomic clock ... was born at the UK's National Physical Laboratory."

    Well, the first -cesium- atomic clock was made at NPL, UK, which was certainly a major advance. But the FIRST ATOMIC CLOCK was built at the National Bureau of Standards (NBS) which is now known as NIST, in the US. So I disagree with the BBC's presentation of the situation.

    Check out http://physics.nist.gov/GenInt/Time/ for more info and history than what was linked in the original post on this topic.

  151. UTC, TUC and GPS by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 2, Informative
    The standard day-to-day time system is UTC (rather mysteriously standing for Coordinated Universal Time) and it is based on the rotation of the earth. This is decided by the BIPM. As the length of a day is not precisely divisible by a second, leap seconds occasioanlly have to be added.

    The Big International Scientific Conference that got together to define a new time scale to replace GMT had no difficulty coming up with the name "Coordinated Universal Time", but deadlocked when it came time to decide between the English acronym (CUT) or the French one (TUC). So they decided to use the symbol UTC, which doesn't stand for anything.

    Leap seconds are used to keep UTC in sync with the Earth's rotation. Since the Earth's rotation is steadily slowing down, UTC would drift away from any sensible time if it wasn't adjusted every now and then. So they add the occasional extra second to keep them in sync.

    GPS time runs at the same rate as UTC, but has no leap seconds, and is currently 13 seconds different. People who navigate by the stars use UT1. Then there is the Terrestrial Dynamical Time that astronomers use, which is another matter entirely.

    ...laura

  152. AllansTIME.com by sterlingda · · Score: 1

    My dad, David W. Allan, worked with the Atomic clock at NIST until 1992 when he retired. The "Allan Variance" is an algorithm at the heart of international time-keeping.

    He has continued his research on a tangent subject of a new unified field theory. He is in process of implementing some of his theories by way of ultra-precision positioning. You might find his theory worth review. AllansTIME.com

    He also has passion in the subject of health. His solar home is likewise a hallmark of his forward thinking. http://allanstime.com/SolarHome/

    --
    Tomorrow's news yesterday -- the bleeding, visionary edge.