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How to Keep Your Computer Cool

ThinSkin writes "ExtremeTech is featuring a how-to article on keeping your computer cool by adopting an efficient airflow strategy for your PC case. The article goes into detail on what types of fans are optimal for your computer and your needs, where you should place them, and how to make your own fan mounts. From the article: 'With an efficient cooling strategy, there's no reason a case should ever grow so warm. Good airflow is critical to keeping your PC operating and extending the life of the components. Keep the air flowing!'"

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  1. Stirling Refrigerators by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Informative

    And for the serious overclockers, we have low powered cryogenics coming down the pipeline. It turns out that Intel is considering the possibility of using Pulse Tube Coolers for the next generation of thermal management. (Hey Intel, you think that over 100 watts might be just a *smidge* much for a processor?)

    While there's something to be said for this step being rather extreme, it might lead to the development of cryogenic computers. These futuristic processors could utilize super-conducting transistors and wires to improve performance and eliminate waste heat.

    Kind of a weird thought, but there you have it. :-)

    Personally, I'd like to see Stirling or Pulse Tube Coolers replacing existing phase-change air conditioners. In the name of "energy efficiency", you can't buy a decent apartment AC and are forced to deal with putting one in every room. Stirling engines could provide better cooling for less energy! Now if we could just get the buggers mass produced to bring down the cost...

    1. Re:Stirling Refrigerators by vandil · · Score: 2, Funny

      Cryogenic computers? Like so that we can put our computers into deep freeze until they've cured this blue screen I keep running in to?

    2. Re:Stirling Refrigerators by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      It goes to show how widespread a bad joke has become when the opening line to the Wikipedia article on Cryogenics is:

      Cryogenics is the study of very low temperatures or the production of the same, and is often confused with cryobiology, the study of the effect of low temperatures on organisms, or the study of cryopreservation. Likewise, cryonics is the nascent study of the cryopreservation of the human body. Unlike cryogenics, cryonics is not an established science and is viewed with skepticism by most scientists and doctors today.

    3. Re:Stirling Refrigerators by Penguin+Programmer · · Score: 4, Funny

      But, really, all of those fan and water and air-conditioning based cooling options are just really good ways to make your office or computer area really friggin' loud.
      It's not that I want to spend $1500 Canadian on my next computer case, but I'm going to seriously consider it. Just imagine, no fans at all to make my room noisy, and if there's a nuclear attack, I can hide behind it for safety!

    4. Re:Stirling Refrigerators by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      But, really, all of those fan and water and air-conditioning based cooling options are just really good ways to make your office or computer area really friggin' loud.

      You didn't read the article, did you? Stirling Coolers (and I assume Pulse Tube Coolers) make very little noise due to the need for minimal friction. No air is actually moved by the engine (although there is a Helium working fluid sealed inside the engine) so there's no blowing noise, either. The largest concern is vibration, but such vibrations would be no more than existing fans.

      And hey, how can you not like something that can make instant liquid nitrogen? (Look at the frost on the right end of this picture) I think I'll get one of these and start producing my own rocket fuel. ;-)

    5. Re:Stirling Refrigerators by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      One of my systems has a water block on both the CPU and a heavy duty sandwich-style air cooler on the graphics card. I never worry about those parts overheating. I've got about a 7% overclock on the processor

      Um... yeah. I'm gonna take advice from YOU? I think I'll stick with my air-cooled setup. It's only running at a 97% overclock, but it does the trick.

      Amateurs.

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    6. Re:Stirling Refrigerators by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      Say what?

      I think you hit the wrong reply button there. ;-)

    7. Re:Stirling Refrigerators by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      LOL

      That was a quote from the article, not a reply to your post on cryrogenics. I just wanted to stick my 2c in at the top where ppl actually read it.

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    8. Re:Stirling Refrigerators by imr · · Score: 1

      You don't have to have your cpu running at full speed all the time. My mobo (via) is cool and quiet, which means the cpu speed is low when I don't push it. And the mobo can lower the speed of the fans too, hence the noise.
      And it works under linux, yes.
      That and a passive cooled GPU, all in a good case, and you have horsepower, low noise, energy savings for a lot less than 1500$.

    9. Re:Stirling Refrigerators by convolvatron · · Score: 1

      try direct-on-die evaporative cooling

  2. Filtration optional??? by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful
    From TFA:
    Fan filtration is optional; dust may get in your system anyway
    I'd hardly consider filtration optional...especially on any system deemed important enough to build a custom fan solution for. Dust shortens the life of not only your board components, but those fans as well.
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    1. Re:Filtration optional??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are talking about keeping the area around the workstation flowing with air as to remove dust particles WHILE you create new holes. He is not referring to normal/everyday fan filtration to keep the temperature down.

      That's right, a room fan for construction particles, not an antek CPU fan

    2. Re:Filtration optional??? by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Um...no. Here's the context of my previous quote...from TFA:
      Fan filtration is optional; dust may get in your system anyway, so instead of that, I vacuum out my system a couple times a year.
      It's clear the author was referring to long-term fan filtration here, not filtration during the construction phase of the case mod.
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    3. Re:Filtration optional??? by kabbor · · Score: 1

      I would consider fan filtration usefull only if you maintain a positive pressure. If you have more fans pushing air out, then your filters will be the cd drives and USB ports.
      Filtered Positive Pressure is certainly the best way to go, although it is less efficiant. I have not yet implemented it. Oh, and you need far more fans blowing in, as your filters will slowly clog.

  3. Maybe... by Virak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you didn't overclock your computer to hell (in more ways than one) you wouldn't need so much cooling.

    1. Re:Maybe... by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      I have seen plenty of overheating with stock performance speed. The industry norm says.... give consumers the cheapest fan possible while maintaining a higher profit margin. My ultimate suggestion is to run open-cased in a cool room.

    2. Re:Maybe... by Knome_fan · · Score: 1

      Nah, only overclocking + case modding can make a computer cool (in a puberty kind of way anyway).

    3. Re:Maybe... by Fizzog · · Score: 4, Informative

      I just built a new PC with an Athlon64 3700+, an XFX 6800gt, and a 74gig Raptor. These things would tend to add up to a few degrees.

      But I put it into a cheap ($50) Cooler Master Centurion case with an 80mm front fan and a 120mm rear fan.

      CPU runs at 29c idle, 36c max
      Case runs at 33c idle, 39c max
      GPU runs at 60c idle, 65c max (those buggers run hot!)

      The point is that you don't need anything particularly fancy to keep a decent spec system cool. Just do a little homework. The Cooler Master case was excellent value.

    4. Re:Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My ultimate suggestion is to run open-cased in a cool room.

      Not always a good idea. Well designed cases will move the cool air over the hot components. Ambient air motion (even if the air is cold) may not be enough for effective cooling.

    5. Re:Maybe... by PakProtector · · Score: 5, Funny

      Amen to GPUs being damn hot. I once made the mistake of doubting the stick-on thermometer I applied to my highly overclocked ATI 9600XT, and I got a nasty, nasty burn for my trouble.

      On the other hand, having the ATI logo branded into your right index finger is a social accomplishment at certain parties.

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    6. Re:Maybe... by RogerWiclo · · Score: 1

      I have to disagree. Lately I've started running the protein folding screen saver from http://folding.stanford.edu/ on the 3 computers I have (Mine, my wife's, and the Smoothwall box). I've noticed that my computer (NON-overclocked AMD 2100+ with 3 big fans on the stock case) is blowing pretty dang hot air.

      I think this article will help me mod the case and cool of my CPU so I don't shorten the life expectancy of any of my hardware.

    7. Re:Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...having the ATI logo branded into your right index finger...

      All your finger are belong to ATI?

    8. Re:Maybe... by antdude · · Score: 1

      Not for me (I don't overclock my systems). My room (upstair and A/C doesn't do well in my room) can go over 85 degrees(F) during heat waves.

      I have seen my AMD Athlon64 3200+ CPU go up to 154 degrees(F) under stress mode (cpuburn, gaming, etc.). Motherboard temperature is about 112 degrees. Yes, this is with a lot of fans blowing with many fans including a Thermaltake A1838 (Silent Boost K8).

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    9. Re:Maybe... by LividBlivet · · Score: 1

      That's quite a thermodynamic feat, the CPU running cooler than the air around it.

    10. Re:Maybe... by the_maddman · · Score: 1

      Except the "case" temp isn't sampling the air temp, it's coming from a chip attached to the motherboard. With good airflow around the processor, it's quite possible to have your CPU temp lower than the mobo temp.

    11. Re:Maybe... by drsquare · · Score: 1

      That's not always enough. I have no overlocking, just a simple old Athlon 2000, yet the whole computer is boiling. One of the fans has given up. The side of the case isn't on, the processor is roasting (50C), the hard disks are roasting and constantly give errors (the second oen with open bsd just doesn't work), it's not cool at all. Some new technology is needed clearly.

      I've had too much to drink today. I think I'll stick to wine tomorrow rather than beer.

    12. Re:Maybe... by LividBlivet · · Score: 1

      In ten years of overclocking I've never seen CPU temps under mobo temps. Any links to data? Unless
      of course the CPU intake is being vented in from the outside, good idea.

    13. Re:Maybe... by snorklewacker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One of the fans has given up. The side of the case isn't on, the processor is roasting (50C), the hard disks are roasting and constantly give errors

      That's why. Unless you're pointing a box fan straight at the motherboard, put the bloody side panel back on.

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    14. Re:Maybe... by drsquare · · Score: 1

      It's a bit crooked and doesn't go on very easily, and I'm in the computer all the time because so much shit goes wrong.

      Either fans breaking, modems needing replacing, or when I need to DVD drive and have to plug it in (I can't have it in all the time because it makes the hard disks crash).

    15. Re:Maybe... by bdcrazy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Open cases can in fact cause higher temperatures due to uneven or even stagnant air flow. Closing the case and having good air flow through the case would be much better, unless you intend on connecting a box fan to the open side of your case...

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    16. Re:Maybe... by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      But it makes my internet run faster!

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    17. Re:Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had the same sort of problem with my IDE drives (background info: Athlon 1GHz, 300W PSU, crappy ECS motherboard). It turns out that my power supply was giving up the ghost after about 3 years of continuous operation. It still worked most of the time, but the +5V reading would dip below ATX specifications every so often, like on bootup or during games.

      It might have been a problem with the PSU overheating-- the internal heatsinks were scalding hot while the outside of the PSU was just warm.

      I changed to a 500W PSU and everything works great now. You might want to check that out.

    18. Re:Maybe... by trevdak · · Score: 1

      I bought myself one of the zalman fans with the big-ass heat sink. I used the fan speed regulator that came with it to control the 120mm fan on the back of my computer, and the only other fans I have are in my Antec power supply and my Chaintech/nVidia 6800 GT. I have a 2.4ghz pentium 4. After A few hours of Medal of Honor Pacific Assault played at all the highest settings, my CPU will be around 45 degrees C. Idle, it stays around 35 degrees C.
      I find this especially impressive because I don't have air conditioning in my room, thus heating my room up to about 30 degrees C, and I have only an air cooling system with 1 case fan.
      So zalman fans rule the world.

    19. Re:Maybe... by the_maddman · · Score: 1
      Actually, I've only seen this with small cases and processors like the A64 that support throttling. It can happen, but in the exact opposite of an overclockers computer.

      I've actually seen temps like that on my new A64 when Cool and Quiet is enabled, so I was talking from personal experence. But this was also when I had the Radeon 9800XT sitting right next to the mobo temp sensor, with the newer X800XT I have, I get much lower mobo temps.

    20. Re:Maybe... by jandrese · · Score: 1

      I can count the number of PCs I've seen with good cases with good airflow on one hand. It's almost always a win with a generic PC case to just open the thing up--at least from a cooling perspective.

      Stock Case fans are remarkably weak too, even if the case is well designed it's not unusual for the airflow to just be insufficent, especially if it's an OEM case and the user has added just about any hardware. HDDs are the worst too, because they are among the most thermally sensitive pieces of equipment in a modern computer and yet when just two of them are loaded into the 3.5" HDD bay, they will tend to overheat unless you jury-rig some sort of extra cooling for them. If you see three stacked up inside of a drive cage with no fan in front of them, you just know the middle drive will be dead in 9 months.

      The point is, in most cases taking the cover off and letting convection do its thing will result in lower temperatures than leaving the cover on and relying on the case fans.

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    21. Re:Maybe... by bitkari · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, having the ATI logo branded into your right index finger is a social accomplishment at certain parties.

      Don't you mean ITA?

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    22. Re:Maybe... by Billnvd65 · · Score: 1

      Your temp readings are rather unrealistic unless your ambient room temp is around 0-5C or you are using water cooling.

      Your CPU has to dissipate it's heat to something, usually the heatsink. Unless you have found some magic heatsink that has like .1 C/W thermal resistance, your CPUs' temp is way above 36.

      I have a Dual MP2400 rig that runs in a room with about 25C ambient. These are 60W CPUs'. My HS units are rated at about .6 C/W.

      Give or take, a 60 watt load will rise about 36C above ambient when attached to such a cooling device.

      My full load temps are 61C and 63C. Lets see if the formula works. CPU Temp (should equal) 25+(60*.6) = 25+36 = 61C.

      Seems like it works. The slightly higher temp on CPU2 is because it is physically behind CPU1 in the airpath and therefore gets a slightly higher ambient to start with.

      AMD 64/3700, something like 85 watts. Giving you the benefit of a decent HS/fan say .45 C/W, you are going to see a CPU temp rise of roughly 38C above ambient. I assume your room temp is not below 20C.

      You actual cpu core is most likely running at 58C.

      Of course there are lots of factors involved in how efficient your HS setup is like airflow direction, air volume, pressure, humidity, etc.

      Overall, I have found this calulation to be accurate, within +/- 2C, in average conditions.

  4. This sounds like an article that may help me... by InsideTheAsylum · · Score: 1

    But I'm too lazy to RTFA =\ Woo, my AMD idles at 60C and peaks at 73C!

    1. Re:This sounds like an article that may help me... by Stupendoussteve · · Score: 1

      Similar, I'm lucky if I get my P4 to idle at 45, usually it's above 50. Peaks at around 70 (granted, that's when something has died and is taking all the CPU on windows.......)

    2. Re:This sounds like an article that may help me... by moonbender · · Score: 1

      That's probably not a problem. The CPU can stand that. Not way more than that, but my computer routinely used to peak at up to 79, 80C (I have since cleaned the path somewhat). Of course the temperature reporting is notoriously inaccurate. Anyway, whatever the article might say, you don't need an insane airflow in a modern computer. Since airflow is typically proportional to noise, it's not a bad idea to have only just enough airflow to get your temperature (well, maybe 5C or so less for good measure). Eh, I just checked the article briefly, and it's terrible anyway. I don't think the guy has even heard about positive or negative pressure airflow. Most hardware forums have posters that know their stuff better than this.

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    3. Re:This sounds like an article that may help me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Eh, I just checked the article briefly, and it's terrible anyway. I don't think the guy has even heard about positive or negative pressure airflow

      You should have read it. He discusses this and offers diagrams as well.

    4. Re:This sounds like an article that may help me... by imboboage0 · · Score: 1

      My backup comp (athlon xp-m 2600+) started idling at 50-52 and I got pissed. Maybe thats from frying a few things after having it OCed from 2.0 to 2.7 for 6 months.

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    5. Re:This sounds like an article that may help me... by moonbender · · Score: 1

      You're right, he does, although he doesn't use those words exactly. It's still all on a very low level, really just extremely common sense stuff. This is what I consider a real article about airflow strategy.

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  5. How to Keep Your Computer Cool by slapout · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't run Windows.

    Oh, you meant the other kind of cool. Nevermind.

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    1. Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool by chaffed · · Score: 1, Insightful

      However windows has better support for ACPI so it runs cooler and uses less power.

      I wouldn't say parent is flamebait or a troll. I would say it's misinformed. Alas, no mod points for that.

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    2. Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool by SnowCrashed · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Interestingly enough, my PC's temperature LCD's have always shown Linux not only to be cooler, but to run cooler then Windows...

    3. Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool by eepok · · Score: 1

      *cough* Not THAT kind of cool. *uncough*

    4. Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course. A computer can stay much cooler when it's doing nothing. Having your bash shell open does not add up to heat generating cycles.

    5. Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ...shown Linux not only to be cooler, but to run cooler then Windows...

      Funny you should mention it... My Linux also reports much lower temperatures than Windows, but I think it's because Linux is mis-reading the sensors. :(
    6. Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does on Windows (Cygwin anyone?) because Windows just loops through the idle system process instead of halting the processor.

    7. Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool by softends · · Score: 1

      Then Windows what? Please go on...

    8. Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool by PrntlUnit27 · · Score: 1

      RTFA! To quote: "Happy Days" BitTorrent...

    9. Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool by floki · · Score: 1

      Interestingly enough, my PC's temperature LCD's have always shown Linux not only to be cooler, but to run cooler then Windows...

      If it's as fast as Windows, then this hints on Linux being more efficient. If on the other hand Linux is slower then you have a bottleneck in some other place (e.g. hard disk) and the CPU isn't fully utilized.

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    10. Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interestingly enough, my PC's temperature LCD's have always shown Linux not only to be cooler, but to run cooler then Windows...

      probably due to all those viruses and malware causing your hard disk to thrash away and raise the temperature.

    11. Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Actually, linux has better support for ACPI (the intel specification), windows has better support for microsoft-acpi, a modified version of the intel spec which isn't completely compatible and not so well documented.. typical embrace and extend stuff.. more details can be found at:
      http://users.pandora.be/PrittyFlemishPages/linux/a spire1800_3.html

      Basically linux and the intel dsdt compiler (dsdt being a part of the acpi spec) follow the intel specifications, whereas the microsoft compiler (and the windows implementation of acpi) are very forgiving of errors.. many systems ship with dsdt's compiled with the microsoft compiler, that won't compile with the intel compiler due to errors, and thus don't function correctly with linux.

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  6. Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by 42Penguins · · Score: 1

    Really, shouldn't fans be obvious on /.?

    1. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by Dante+Shamest · · Score: 1

      I agree. What the audience here really needs is a How to be Cool book.

    2. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by Uncle+Jemima · · Score: 1
      Just throwing fans in your case isn't going to do the job by itself.

      Placement and blade direction are key. Ideally you want to create an equal amount of cool air coming in as there is to hot air being blown out.

    3. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by Nimloth · · Score: 0

      They weren't so obvious to m########NO CARRIER########

    4. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ideally you want to create an equal amount of cool air coming in as there is to hot air being blown out.

      Right, because the only thing worse than a case that's inflated is one that has imploded.

  7. Not news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is any of this news to anyone? Everything in this article is obvious and anybody who has opened a computer case before knows the crap contained in this 6-page article.

    Why is it six pages? Why, of course, so that the GIGANTIC ads are displayed that many times. Take a look at the URL pointed to by the link that is the author's name... no surprise

    1. Re:Not news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having had to explain the basics of many different computer issues over and over and over, I like having links I can direct people to so they can get the general jist on their own time instead of mine, then I can just help them clear up any remaining questions.

      Maybe the question you should be asking yourself instead is why you feel the compulsive need to read *everything* posted on slashdot?

    2. Re:Not news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hrrm.. hi thinkskin[article submitter / owner of link in question]

    3. Re:Not news by godfra · · Score: 1

      I didn't actually see the ads... thank you firefox!

  8. Problematic approach by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that adding new holes to an existing case may not be the ideal solution for those looking for good cooling. Things like fans mounted directly in front of drives, and aligned with key mounting points are features of well designed cases and hacking holes into a case may lack a planned approach. The lack of filtration and dust control methods in the article is also worrying, as the dust can easily clog fans and block drive air holes, leading to increased internal component heat.

  9. In the post-9/11 world... by Donniedarkness · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    poor cooling should be considered an act of terrorism.

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  10. really? wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news: sky still blue.

    I should blow cool air into my computer and draw hot air out of it? Are you sure? There must be some other way!

    There's 5 minutes I'll never see again.

  11. Better than any number of fans... by etymxris · · Score: 0

    Just leave the case open. Dissipation over such a large area will rid the case of heat faster than any number of mounted fans. It can also be more quiet, depending on what's actively cooled and how.

    1. Re:Better than any number of fans... by Donniedarkness · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, they say your computer is much better off with its case closed. Airflow is actually quite important.

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    2. Re:Better than any number of fans... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just leave the case open.

      That may not be as good of an idea as you think. Cases todays are designed like wind-tunnels with the air moving from the front to the back. As the air passes over areas, it draws away the heat and is exhausted out the back.

      When the case is off the PC, the wind tunnel effect is lost and most of the air is left standing. As a result, your ability to cool your system is actually reduced. This can lead to overheating and ultimately, failure.

      If you value your computer, you'll get a nice large case with properly installed fans.

    3. Re:Better than any number of fans... by etymxris · · Score: 1

      Maybe some are. I spent plenty of time with thermistors on the ambient air around components and even on the components themselves. Open case was always 5-10 deg C cooler. And yes, the fans were mounted properly and doing their job.

    4. Re:Better than any number of fans... by kryptx · · Score: 2, Funny

      Right. If you want to show off the innards of your computer, get case windows. And lights, if necessary. Removing the panel altogether will probably cause more problems than it solves.

      In other words, never remove Windows from your computer.

      er, wait. What site is this again?

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    5. Re:Better than any number of fans... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I spent plenty of time with thermistors on the ambient air around components and even on the components themselves. Open case was always 5-10 deg C cooler.

      If that's happening, I'd start by checking the case design. Many users have very dense cases with large bundles of wires inside. All these wires can obstruct the airflow and prevent the system from properly cooling. This is one of the reasons why I always purchase as large of a case as I possibly can. Full size towers are pretty hard to come by these days, but good Mid-Towers make for a nice compromise.

      I don't know if it's a sign of a good case or not, but the last one I chose had an array of holes for dissapating extra heat while maintaining the airflow. You'd be surprised how cold my case is, despite the fact that it's in 5 year old stock condition.

    6. Re:Better than any number of fans... by Basehart · · Score: 1

      "If you value your computer, you'll get a nice large case with properly installed fans."

      Like this

    7. Re:Better than any number of fans... by Frostalicious · · Score: 1

      I think problems with leaving your case open is a myth, possibly intended to sell expensive cases. My CPU and PSU fans spin slow when the components are cool. And that only occurrs when the case is open. I don't believe the air will remain stagnant as it is heated after all. It will rise out of the case and cool air will replace it.

    8. Re:Better than any number of fans... by eepok · · Score: 0

      I've really gotta agree with this comment. Not taking into account the most modern in case-design technology (read: Another box, but with brighter lights and holes in differnt places) and water-cooled systems, the ONLY realistic and cheap way to lower the heat in an over-heated system is to pop the case open.

      I live in Southern California and can't necessarily afford to run the A/C at peak hours (who can anymore?). Thus, to run my Athlon with an ambient air temperature of 88f and up, I just deal with the noise of my fans and slide off the side of my case until the sun goes down.

      By the way, anyone notice the magic fan they displayed on page 3? It faces one way, but blows at an angle! Where do I get one of those? I could REALLY profit from one of those in MY system being that my intake fan is about a FOOT lower than my CPU.

      Summary NO AMOUNT OF FANS can cool your closed-case to a preferred temperature when it's already 90 degrees outside the case.

    9. Re:Better than any number of fans... by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1
      That's not a well cooled case.

      This is a well cooled case.

    10. Re:Better than any number of fans... by CuriosityKilledWHAT · · Score: 1
      No, that's not a well cooled case.

      This is a well cooled case.

    11. Re:Better than any number of fans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Open case was always 5-10 deg C cooler. And yes, the fans were mounted properly and doing their job.

      If the case is open, the fans will not do their job as well as if it is closed. They can move air better when there is a seperation between the air they are moving. With an open case, there is less seperation.

      An open case does provide more open air area for passive cooling, though. While I agree with the grandparent that proper cooling should use a closed case, in the real world I am sure there are enough variables that that is not always the case.

  12. adopting an efficient airflow strategy? by fxer · · Score: 2, Funny

    keeping your computer cool by adopting an efficient airflow strategy

    They seem to have not gotten the weasel terms memo.

  13. Environmetal Factors by jdp816 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It should also be noted that the environemnt of the room should be the largest factor in determining your cooling needs. If you have a guaranteed 65 degF 24/7 you can get by with much lower airflow rates than a varying room with peaks 79 degF and possible lows to 70 degF (typical yearly household range, I'd venture a guess without the Google trudging)

  14. How to Keep Your Computer Cool? by MasterB(G)ates · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pair of sun glasses, a dark case, a divx rip of Pulp Fiction, Ubuntu and a seemingly infinite supply of of p0rn.

    Now that is cool...

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    1. Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool? by imr · · Score: 1

      Sounding like Vince Vega is the opposite of cool. This guy got shot with his pants down.
      Infinite supply of pOrn, you bet!

    2. Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool? by MasterB(G)ates · · Score: 1

      By the end of the movie Vince had recovered well though.

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    3. Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool? by imr · · Score: 1

      Really? I felt he still was a pathetic loser while his buddy was THE man.

    4. Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only to those unable to deal with shifting timelines. At the end of the movie's chronology, he's dead.

    5. Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Captain Obvious is that you?

  15. Cool Computer by kristopher · · Score: 0

    My computer is so cool. The witty sticker on it says so. "This computer is so cool"

  16. Just don't use a Prescott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or 50+ degrees celsius becomes an acceptable internal case temp.

  17. welcome to [s]lashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this is stupid

  18. Cooling...is...great... by Taicho · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Cooling is great - it prolongs the lifespan of your computer and even optimizes a bit BUT I have seen way to many articles on cooling your comp every hardware analysis site has an article on cooling and I ask what is so different about this one...nothing...Is it just me or do some of these H/W sites need to come up with more diverse articles? Alot of sites are great and do come up like Anandtech or Hardocp...It's kinda like those baseball/kids/hard-ass-turned-loving-coach movies - everbody has made one.

    1. Re:Cooling...is...great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you sound like a thirteen year old.

  19. Cool your harddrives across the bottom!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not sure how well known this is, but in order to keep your harddrives cool, don't worry about the top of the drive having airflow, be more concerned withthe bottom (where the logic board is)

    If you do an experiment, notice how much cooler the HD temp is when doing so.

    1. Re:Cool your harddrives across the bottom!!! by dabigpaybackski · · Score: 1

      Suggestion: PCI card slot fans. They're extremely cheap (4 USD) and quiet. Put one in a slot adjacent to your high-end video card. I added one and my case temp dropped by four degrees.

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    2. Re:Cool your harddrives across the bottom!!! by mabinogi · · Score: 1

      > If you do an experiment, notice how much cooler the HD temp is when doing so.

      Wouldn't that be just because the sensor is in the logic board?

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  20. Insesnitive CLod! by under_R_run · · Score: 1

    Keep the air flowing! I use oil you insesitive clod!

    1. Re:Insesnitive CLod! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A nintendo fan i see...

      i know, i know, multipun sentance... ... watches the pun o'meter rise

  21. keeping your computer cool is not the hard part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the hard part is keeping the room your computer is in cool.. My bonus room where my server
    (compaq proliant something or other with dual PIII 733Mhz CUPs) is seems to keep my bonus room about 5 degrees hotter than the rest of the floor.

  22. great advice by real_smiff · · Score: 1
    Before you add a fan, you have to buy one... Fans come in sizes measured in millimeters... indicates the length and width of the fan (nearly all case fans are square)--not the diagonal measurement like that of a monitor's viewable area.... You can spot a fan mount in your PC's chassis by the presence of a grill (or many holes next to each other) surrounded by four symmetrical screw holes, one in each corner.

    Jesus, am i getting smarter or are these articles getting stupider? I think if you need that kind of help, you shouldn't be using power tools. So my serious point is, who do these articles serve? And then on page 4 it just ends. "use Motherboard Monitor".

    I don't like it when it gets up to 60 degrees

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    1. Re:great advice by EvilMagnus · · Score: 1

      It's not just you. That was a one-page note drawn out over five advertisment-heavy pages.

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  23. The Air must Flow by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 4, Funny

    Air is essential for the Guild navigators to pilot their bitTorrents from one node to another.

    If the Air does not Flow, bitTorrents will be impacted.

    The Air must Flow!

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    oh, and besides, those dust bunnies can get quite unruly at times, rabid almost, vorpal in their natures, if you will.

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    1. Re:The Air must Flow by CoolGopher · · Score: 1

      Dammit, I was gonna whore karma with that joke! :-P

    2. Re:The Air must Flow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dammit, I was gonna whore karma with that joke! :-P

      I don't need to karma whore, I already am maxed on karma.

      It was just funny.

    3. Re:The Air must Flow by srpatterson · · Score: 1

      Damn, I was going to post that, ah well.

      I see fans within fans.

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  24. Thanks guys . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks guys good timing.

    $ spent since 4th of July to replace melted motherboard and provide coherent cooling strategy: $210.

    Finish date: 7/10/05

    --AC

  25. So that's what the front looks like.. by Thantos_42 · · Score: 1

    "This photograph shows a 120mm fan mount in the front of a case." http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image /10/0,1425,i=109182,00.jpg I can understand typos but come on. Doesn't look like the front of any case I've ever seen.

  26. I have a friend who works for Intel by Mr.+Maestro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, I have a friend or two..
    I told him I was a little concerned with my p4 running around 60C and hee tells me that when they test out the chips, they test them at like 100C.
    Im not suggesting to run your CPU at 100C, but I don't think 60-70 is a problem.
    There is, however, a segment of modders who will spend tons of money because they heard that brand x of thermal grease will lower the CPU temp .000000001 degree.

    1. Re:I have a friend who works for Intel by isecore · · Score: 1
      Yes, I have a friend or two

      You must be new here.

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  27. Decent temperatures by isorox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How hot is too hot? I've built a new P4-2.4GHz box arround a Shuttle Zen (quieter than a laptop), the processor runs arorund 65 degrees C, the case arround 50. How hot is dangerous?

    1. Re:Decent temperatures by ctr2sprt · · Score: 3, Informative

      That is near the danger level. Typical for a desktop system is 25-35C at idle, going up to 50-55C during peak use. Most thermal cutoffs (extreme downclocking, automatic shutdown) activate at or near 75C. I would be worried, with your system, that hot days and heavy use would cause lockups or the aforementioned throttling. Even if that doesn't happen, consistent operation at those temperatures is going to markedly reduce the life expectancy of your hardware.

    2. Re:Decent temperatures by Internet_Communist · · Score: 1

      well for reference my P4 2.4ghz runs at around 37-38c idle, and around 42-43C at the most, under load. Of course, I do have a huge-ass swiftech heatsink with a 90mm fan on it. I get a bit scared when anything goes over 50C. My case stays under 30c almost always.

      However, you're running in one of those tiny shuttle cases. Without a massive (noisy) fan I doubt you're going to keep it as cool as you could a normal case. If it were me, I'd be going nuts til i had the thing at least under 60, but that's just me. Current chips are designed to withstand pretty high temperatures, but things tend to work better and last longer when they aren't running so hot...

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    3. Re:Decent temperatures by khellendros1984 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not "dangerous" per se, except that hot components have a shorter lifetime. Most motherboards will shut off automatically at temperatures deemed "unsafe" (imminent heat-failure of components). I don't remember the statistics....but I'm sure you can find them.

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    4. Re:Decent temperatures by ImaLamer · · Score: 0, Redundant

      As I understand it, your P4 doesn't run around 65 degrees C; it grinds through work.

      How does it feel being the owner of a 100 Mhz Pentium 4?

    5. Re:Decent temperatures by hthite · · Score: 1

      All Intel processors are built in with thermal protection that will throttle the processor or shut it down in case of overheating. My 2.8 GHz Prescott manages to run, at a lower speed, even at 93 degrees celcius. It does throttle badly. In effect, you cannot damage your CPU, even if you remove the heat sink! Check out Tom's Hardware Guide for more details of their CPU burning tests.. ;-)

    6. Re:Decent temperatures by Staats · · Score: 1

      Note that the average CPU is designed to work for about 10 years... so life expectancy is maybe not such an issue.

    7. Re:Decent temperatures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The temperatures you describe are for an AMD, with his Pentium he has normal levels. I've got a few P4s here and they run at between 50 and 60 degrees under normal load, i.e. turn one on in the morning, check bios and temp will be in the high 50s.

      Having AMD at home I have mentioned this before but these temperatures are about right for Intel CPUs.

      The case temperature is a little high but then it is a shuttle so thats to be expected.

  28. Even more super keen advice for fen by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Before you add a fan, you have to buy one... Fans come in sizes measured in millimeters..

    They also are measured in Watts for power consumption.

    More Watts is better, provided you don't cover the intake with paper, thick dust, or plastic shrinkwrap from all those DVDs you ripped.

    Keep your fans clean - and powerful.

    While we all place our boxen on the floor, it's amazing how much less dust you get if you put them at least four inches above rug/floor level - I use an old table that has slats about four inches above my hardwood floors, which helps both cool the computers and keep dust out of them and their fans.

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  29. Easier cooling by jaguar717 · · Score: 1

    I usually have something to drink when I'm at my computer. A big 32 oz. glass of something with extra ice.

    I just sit it on top of my case. On really hot days, lots of condensation probably helps even more...

  30. With all those fans... by Jerry+Rivers · · Score: 1

    ...you might also want/need a nice pair of isolation earphones. Though sitting beside a wind tunnel might not be so bad if you have noisy neighbours.

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  31. I have a friend who works for Letni by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    I told him I was a little concerned with my p4 running around 60C and hee tells me that when they test out the chips, they test them at like 100C.
    Im not suggesting to run your CPU at 100C, but I don't think 60-70 is a problem.


    Or you could move to the US, where 60-70 is really cool, unlike the rest of the world where it's very very hot.

    Just don't try this in a cold lab - they use Kelvin and that's gonna make your metal very brittle, cause it's way too cold ...

    As to the thermal grease - your mileage may vary. Whatever you do, don't use butter - even the very best butter plays havoc with CPUs. Although it does have a pleasant aroma. Butter in watches - questionable. Butter in digital watches - ok, but not great. Butter on CPUs or Fan housings - sounds like a good idea, but even a low-fat organic butter can really throw it out of whack.

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    1. Re:I have a friend who works for Letni by djdanlib · · Score: 1

      That's because grease (especially butter) is actually a decent heat insulator. Now, that is exactly why you should NEVER put butter on a burn... because it holds the heat IN. Ask a doctor or ER physician, they'll tell you horror stories about babies and old people.

      Thermal grease is something else entirely. It's not "grease", it's a kind of heat-conducting paste. But you knew that already, right?

    2. Re:I have a friend who works for Letni by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much heat do you think that butter can really hold in??? The real reason that emergency personnel advise against using butter as a dressing is due to it not being sterile, as well as being very difficult to remove. Ointments like Neosporin are safe, and will not need to be scrubbed free prior to receiving real medical assistance. You do not want the ER doctors scrubbing a burn wound clean....that would really suck!

    3. Re:I have a friend who works for Letni by djdanlib · · Score: 1

      Actually I got that information from a good friend of mine who worked in the ER and had all the horror stories I could stomach, and some I couldn't. You could, y'know, ask one some time before presenting your speculations as fact, or maybe even post non-anonymously. AC is the perfect description. Butter holds in the 400+ degrees Fahrenheit your skin rises to when you burn yourself on the oven, and most CPUs are rated for 150 degrees. Where did your comment come from??

      By the way: You can leave butter out on the counter for weeks and it won't go bad or grow mold. Keeps it nice and soft, but are there health risks? No.

      The point is, grease does not conduct heat well.

      The idea of using dairy products, which are not even remotely good for anything in your computer save your hands, is ludicrous.

  32. Cut Holes and Dust Filters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The best way to get better airflow is to cut out restrictive fan grilles, but people who buy expensive cases don't want to do that, instead spend way more on bigger heatsinks, water cooling, ect. honestly, nobody sees the fans anyway in most examples. If PC won't run because of overheating then what good is that expensive case?.... "Yea well, if it would stay on long enough, this LCD screen here would tell you that all nine fans are maxed out but it is still overheating..."

    Also, dust filters are bad, in that typical ones are restrictive; they clog quickly and the airflow drops off fast. My in-progress case has a centrifugal type; it is much larger physically (about as big as large coffee can) but I ended up with extra room inside the case anyway, and it can accumulate far more dust and can go much longer between cleanings.

    I want a better PC.
    I don't want leaky water cooling, I don't want to underclock everything and use passive heatsinks, I want a quiet air-cooled PC that keeps dust out with a filter that I need to empty once, maybe twice a year at most.....

  33. Box fans provide great circulation cheaply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bigger fans produce less noise for a given CFM. For around $25, you can buy a box fan capable of moving several thousand CFM. A typical 120mm fan will provide you with around 100 CFM at the same price. If your box fan is capable of running at slow speeds, it will provide more airflow than you will ever need. Mounting something like this would be similar to mounting an extra case fan, except with a much larger hole. You can even use a 12v relay attached to a power connector in your case to safely turn it on and off with your system power. You could even speed control it with a cheap ac thermostat if you desired. Filtration can be easily provided via a $1 furnace filter from your local hardware store.

    The DC brushless fans typically used in PCs are far too expensive, unreliable, nedlessly use up power supply capacity, and are very noisy.

  34. Box fan cooling by 3cents · · Score: 1

    I know this is much of a logical leap, but why not use two very large fans on each side of the case and no small fans inside the case. There is a lower probability of failure because of the fewer components and also an improvement in noise since large fans don't have to spin as fast to move the same amount of air. This system would also likely help keep everything cool including your hard drive(s) and power supply.

    So my question is, why haven't we taken this next logical leep?

    1. Re:Box fan cooling by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      The major problem with box fan cooling is the location of the PC and the location of the box fan.

      If you have your PC near a window (or sliding door) that is covered by a screen or open, then you could position the box fan either inside pointing at the PC in such a way that the heated air from the PC would escape outside. But if you put the box fan facing inside from the window area, while this pulls in air, it means you're effectively moving heated air inside away from the outside, so this could heat up your place as well.

      The best thing would be to have two windows/screens - one open (screened?) with a box fan pulling in air from the shaded part of the house (bottom of the floor is cooler), one pulling the heated air up and out thru another window (screen?), with the PC situated between the two.

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    2. Re:Box fan cooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Laptops work exactly this way. For desktops, the reason is as much political and economic than technical. Most users prefer to specify individual components (often from several mfrs) rather than purchasing a single integrated system. Since each mfr can make no assumptions about the operating environment, each component has to be able to stand on its own.

      Barebones and SFF systems are somewhere in between. Since more of the system is integrated, the mfr can design the system to use a single fan to cool the cpu, gpu and chipset for example.

    3. Re:Box fan cooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, yessee, sir, there's this large, flat rectangular component in more than half of the computers sold today, it's called a MOTHERBOARD, and in systems that use one, it pretty much blocks all the possible left to right airflow. Good thinking, though. Oh, wait a minute. I wonder what the minimum thickness of each of those two twenty-inch fans would be, eh? Think it would make your case FATTER? Of course, we could go like the UFOs and make CUBES, but then, wouldn't it be even better to vent from bottom to top with box fans? I'm thinking so, and then you solve the MOTHERBOARD issue.

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  35. What about laptops? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Just bought a new 3.0 GHz AMD laptop and it's - well - a bit warm. In fact, the air intake/fan seems to be where my left knee would be if I use it on my lap, which is almost comfortable.

    But, after using it for more than about 20 minutes, it gets a tad warm.

    Any mods that might work for this situation? I'd think a gel pac underneath would only put off the heat for a few minutes, and then I'd have really hot gel pac to cope with.

    One idea I've thought of is a reflective mat. Thermal pad, if you will - or a spare placemat that's the corded type but heat resistant - or maybe a set of oven gloves/mitts would be best.

    Putting a drink on top would be kind of dangerous, and the ice cubes might cause condensation which would then drip into the laptop, so I think that's out.

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    1. Re:What about laptops? by ettlz · · Score: 1

      Ever wonder why almost every vendor calls them "notebooks" these days and not "laptops"?

      Even many of the portables with "M"-class processors have fans on the underside. They are designed to get noticably warmer than desktops; unless the thing is crashing or switching itself off, there's probably no need to worry. Just keep the air vents clean of dust, and stick it on a table and enjoy the performance (safe in the knowledge that, if you are male, it's not rendering you infertile). I have a notebook with a 2.8 GHz desktop Northwood that idles at around 41 C, but goes up to 57 C at full tilt. If I have to use it on my lap (which I avoid because the undulations don't help the hard disc), I use a large hard-back book.

    2. Re:What about laptops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems to me that there should be a market for a notebook trivet. I don't know if they still make those plastic mesh seat covers that let air between you and the seat(about 1/2" thick...mostly holes) but a hunk of that the size of your laptop would be just about perfect. Even on a tabletop, it would greatly increase airflow.

    3. Re:What about laptops? by damsa · · Score: 1

      I suggest wearing pants while wardriving. Or if that presents a problem, get one of these. http://www.roadtools.com/

  36. What's always troubled me... by SnowCrashed · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What's always troubled me about my system's cooling is that the temperature LCD's show a temperature quite different from motherboard monitor... My LCD's show around 55 degrees celsius under a full load, where as motherboard monitor sometimes shows as high as 70 degrees celsius. I don't know which one I should trust. The system is a Monarch Hornet Pro, so I expect it to run a bit toasty because of the form factor, but 50 sounds kind of low for AMD Athlon XP 2500+ (Barton) with such little cooling and space fpr air to circulate, yet 70 seems pretty warm.

    1. Re:What's always troubled me... by rootofevil · · Score: 1

      if you had to pick one to go off of, which would you base your cooling decisions on?

      the one that you want to see, or the one that will motivate you to perhaps take better care of your computer (eg, better fans, lowering load, increasing airflow, etc)?

      me, id believe the 70c number, especially with SFF boxen.

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    2. Re:What's always troubled me... by toddestan · · Score: 1

      They are almost certainly reading different temperature probes. The motherboard probably has a probe that sits directly under the CPU, which is why it reads so hot. The LCD one probably has a temperature probe attached to a wire that is probably crammed somewhere in the CPU heatsink fins (just a guess), so it reads a bit lower.

      If I was you I would be concerned about the CPU running at 70 degrees, though if 70 degrees is the highest you've ever seen then you might be OK.

  37. PC Cooling by 100lbHand · · Score: 1

    well, since summer hit here my solution to keeping my processor cool has been to take off the side of the case and point a box fan on high at it, knocks 15-20 degrees off its temp.

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  38. Oooooooooh! by th3space · · Score: 1

    You don't want them all pointed IN...I get it now. No wonder my last box went kaput, it was simply too damn hot.

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  39. Insesnitive CLod! by Irashtar · · Score: 1

    Keep the oil flowing? I use Greek salad dressing you inseNsitive clod!

  40. Fans? Pshh... by suparjerk · · Score: 1
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  41. simple ducting by epic59 · · Score: 1

    i have an fx-53 that runs full load at 42c and idles at 39c with some good cooling, and some well places cereal box duct work. from one fan in front through the slideout hd cage, to proc and out back, and then another little duct from the back fan, to northbridge to gpu out side panel. 3 fans in the whole case, and one is in the power supply. not to mention it stays really quiet thanks to the rubber grommets on the fans. used 2 large cereal boxes and some silicone the seal with after lots of measuring and precise cuts.

    1. Re:simple ducting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with this. Stopping hot exhaust air mixing inside the case helps enourmously. I have a tube taped to the top of the CPU fan (no leaks) that vents out the rear fan panel. Huge difference in temperature. This means that the case ambient temp is not raised by CPU exhaust heat, meaning that the cooling capacity of the air hitting the CPU is much greater.

  42. One way is to use... by spidereyes · · Score: 1

    my ex-girlfriends heart although that might be too cold as we're shooting for cool.

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    1. Re:One way is to use... by joeyspqr · · Score: 1

      that's not the part of the ex's anatomy that had the chill ...

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  43. ...just add lots of fans by MikeRR · · Score: 1

    ...just add lots of fans

    like this: http://www.peteredge.orcon.net.nz/casepics.htm ;)

  44. Making fans cat-proof by expro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For me, one of the most important aspects of the design is making it so that the two cats in our house cannot block the fans, who for some reason love to lay up against the fans if they are accessible (such as where there are two fans on the side) or otherwise interfere or they can push other things off the rack to make them accessible.

    They have been the cause of much hardware failure if there is any way they can stretch or squeeze into an opening that has a fan, often after I believed that the configuration now was catproof after reacting to a previous incident.

    1. Re:Making fans cat-proof by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
      Um, cyanide?

      Or, more temporary, a bed of nails screwed to the rack next to the fans?

      (I have several myself, the cyanide is a joke. Laugh.)

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    2. Re:Making fans cat-proof by tchapin · · Score: 1


      Mount some kind of sharp spikes to your case in front of where the fans vent. That should solve your cat problem.

      Todd

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  45. 1U cooling by flatface · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When it comes to rackmountable servers, I know that you need to get specialized cooling... When I got my 1U case, I put the system in (AXP 2400+), got a 1U fan and some silver heatsink compound for it, and tried it out, yet it overheats like mad.

    It works completely fine with the top of the case off, but I'm probably missing some info someone more experienced would know. Of course, it may be either a design issue with the case or maybe the AXP just runs too hot for something like a 1U. Does anyone here have some tips for cooling systems like this? If necessary, I can provide details when I get home.

    1. Re:1U cooling by daremonai · · Score: 1
      We tried setting up a cluster of a dozen 1U rackmounted servers a few years ago and had similar problems. We added internal fans, etc., but still ended up losing around half of them to heat issues. Part of the problem is when you have a stack of identical 1U servers, the processors essentially sit on top of each other, so effectively heat each other up. As I recall, it was nodes 2-7 - the ones in the upper part of the stack, but not all the way to the top - which had it worst and died first.

      Since then, we've found rack fans that help a whole lot - mount one at the bottom to pull cool air into the rack, and then ones in the back and on top to pull warm air out. If you have a big stack, there are also other fan units you can insert in the middle to cut down on heat buildup in the stack. These units are not cheap - running in the hundreds of dollars each - but beat the price of replacing dead systems.

      The other thing we did was give up on 1U servers - we don't use anything smaller than 2U anymore, and have had no comparable problems since. I think the 1U size is just too narrow for effective air circulation. If you think about it, it's not much thicker than a laptop, so unless you use laptop-type components in it, you've got to expect heat issues.

    2. Re:1U cooling by glsunder · · Score: 1

      If you look at a 1u IBM Server (click on visual tour, then inside view), they've got a lot of fans -- 7 in fact, with 2 blowing over each cpu. You might not have enough fans and maybe the link above will give you some ideas on fan positioning if you have any options in your case. I'm not sure of the rpm the fans they use run at, but they're monsters and they sound like jet engines when you turn the servers on.

      Right now, I've got 6 rack mount ibm servers with p4s in them and haven't had any cooling problems (the server room is ACed). So I know it can be done, but it might take a bunch of expensive fans to do it.

  46. Easy answer by suitepotato · · Score: 1

    Get a 48" or better industrial fan, mount it horizontally, mount all your PCs caseless over it. For increased effect, build a chimney around it to a height of fifty feet.

    Beware of birds building nests in your Beowulf though...

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  47. Coolermaster CM/Stacker by sgant · · Score: 1

    This is the case I made my new system around. Yeah, it's a big ugly chunk of metal...but it's SO cool. Especially with it's big CrossFlow fan that blows across the entire motherboard. Plus the 90mm fans front and back. The 80mm on top. This baby ain't gettin hot. And since it's under the table, the noise isn't bad at all.

    The CrossFlow is really nice and quiet anyway.

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    1. Re:Coolermaster CM/Stacker by sgant · · Score: 1

      Sorry, 120mm fans front and back..not 90mm.

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    2. Re:Coolermaster CM/Stacker by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1
      Hey, I've got the same case and I don't think it's ugly! But big, yeah, it's whompin big.

      Seriously, I've read some reviews and most think the crossflow fan doesn't really help cool that much in ATX configs, but does in BTX. In ATX it might just be adding noise. I didn't buy that option for mine, so I'd be interested to know if you shut off that fan, do your cpu/motherboard temps go up?

      I did buy two more of the 4/3 blocks with the 120mm fans for up front. Three 120mm fans up front really move some air through that case.

    3. Re:Coolermaster CM/Stacker by sgant · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm using a DFI Lanparty nF4 SLI-DR which is layed out a little differently than a normal ATX configured board. For one thing the RAM slots are horizontal rather than vertical...so the air from the Crossflow blows in between them. And yes, from shutting off the fan (I have to unplug the fan as I don't have the little control switch for it hooked up) does make the board heat up a few more degrees. Is it a huge difference? Not really, but every little bit helps.

      And yeah, having 3 120mm fans really do move the air around. If I had 3 fans like that, I doubt the Crossflow would make much difference, but I only have the one so far.

      But I agree with you, I honestly think this thing isn't ugly either...but others that have seen it do. Hehe...some even say it's big enough to ride if you wanted.

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    4. Re:Coolermaster CM/Stacker by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1
      Ahh, that different configuration with the horizontal RAM probably makes a big difference. Those normally block access to a large chunk of the motherboards surface for a fan blowing right along the edge.

      Yes, with the 3 120mm's up front I saw no need for the crossflow. My board and CPU run plenty cool. There is essentially a full wall of air moving through the case.

      Hehe...some even say it's big enough to ride if you wanted.

      Did you put the wheels on yours? You can! ;)

  48. What about Peltier coolers? by crystalattice · · Score: 1

    I haven't read anything recently about Peltier cooling in regards to CPU cooling. I know there can be issues regarding condensation, but assuming that's accounted for, is this a bad way to go?

    I guess you'd still have to worry about the heat coming off the cooler, but that's no different than a regular air-cooler.

    Anyone use a Peltier device?

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    1. Re:What about Peltier coolers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I haven't read anything recently about Peltier cooling in regards to CPU cooling. I know there can be issues regarding condensation, but assuming that's accounted for, is this a bad way to go?

      Yes, it is a bad way to go. The problem with Peltier devices is that their thermal transfer efficiency is dependent upon their current draw, and if you're generating more heat than they can transfer, that heat is going to build up on the "cold" side and your CPU will end up being hotter than if you just used a good passive solution. To make matters worse, there is no free lunch; and that current draw responsible for that heat transfer also generates additional heat (over and above that being transferred); so you now have more overall heat in your case than you would if you'd just used a passive solution.

      They are a decent answer to some niche cooling problems, however, if you can be certain that the peltier unit is both reliable and has a thermal transfer rating greater than the theoretical max wattage of the CPU you're using and that the additional system heat they generate can be eliminated somehow; the problem is that such CPUs are still usually cooled quite well with just a passive heatsink.

    2. Re:What about Peltier coolers? by FlameboyC11 · · Score: 1

      Yep Pelters create tons of heat, and need an external power supply to work, which is why they aren't touched much. Been hearing about them more recently though.

  49. Lovely stories from "Not an over clocker" by lorenlal · · Score: 1

    It doesn't matter if you're an overclocker. If you have a system that runs anything relatively new, you need to consider the heating.

    I had an Athlon 2000+ that ran great for a year. I kept it clean by cleaning out the dust once every couple months or so. I made sure that there was a good exhaust fan on there, and that everything had some good airflow.

    I left the system on over a weekend, came home and found it turned off. It wouldn't turn on.

    Eventually, I took the thing apart, and found where some capacitors fried (we're talking charcoal). My exhaust fan siezed up, and that left my PSU fan left to do all the work.

    I cleaned it out, replaced the exhaust fan, and learned a couple lessons the hard way.

    I immediately installed a new intake fan, and set my new system to shutdown once it hit 70C. I now have balanced airflow, and a much bigger PSU (since I may have also pushed that to its limit). And it's been running happily for 18 months. I had to replace one of the fans since then, but with the balanced airflow it hasn't caused any trouble.

    But it's important to note, that I never overclocked anything. I never cared to. I was happy with my system running at spec. So just saying that it's a problem for overclockers is... well... ignorant.

    You still need to keep an eye on temps.

  50. My case is too noisy by theurge14 · · Score: 1

    With 3 80mm fans and a 50mm active heatsink fan, it sounds like something out of Black Hawk Down.

    I'm sure with all that wind and dust blowing around in there I can take out some fans and still be fine as far as cooling goes. I don't think I've ever seen the system board or CPU temperatures get anywhere close to their limits.

    1. Re:My case is too noisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is not airflow, it's turbulence. If you had bigger fans running at a slower speed, you would have the same airflow with less noise.

  51. Ok so now my computer is cool. How about the room? by nlinecomputers · · Score: 1

    I've got 3 computers all crammed in a small office. Sometimes when I'm working on clients PCs I'll have as many as 6. Room gets very hot. I don't have a window that I can open to put in a room air conditioner. What can I do to cool down the room?

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  52. Simple solution by sickboy85 · · Score: 1

    1. Place PC components in large garbage bag.
    2. Stab that parts of the bag that stick out the farthest until a happy thermal equilibrium is reached.

  53. gay article by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

    Basically a boring read about putting fans in filled with little content per page and high ad count.

    In other words, yet another article spammer...

    Tom

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  54. That article couldn't come at a better time. by tinrobot · · Score: 1

    I just built a Pentium D system yesterday.

    It's running really hot and I need to find a way to cool it.

  55. Fans and dust by phorm · · Score: 1

    One of the big issues with computers is dust, etc. You can use a filter but then it will get plugged regularly and block-off airflow.

    Perhaps something akin to a dust-collector and a fan to such the dust *away* from the other components (a-la-vaccuum).

  56. One word: Galaxy Fan. err... by TheCamper · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The last computer I built (and the one I am typing on) has a problem with heat, even though the inside of my case has good airflow. The problem is that this is a frankenstein box, and I was too cheap to buy good fans. So what I did was take both side panels off, and put a 20" Galaxy fan (about $11 at walmart) on the side, pumping air into the case. The air then flows out where the right side panel used to be.

    I get temps between 100 and 120 fahrenheit, depending on whether I'm playing a 3D accelerated game or not.

    Recently, due to a very dusty nightmare (I spend hours cleaning the dust out) I now have an air-conditioner filter duct taped to the front of the galaxy fan. I change it every few months.

  57. lmao by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thats the gayest, most boner-tastic article I have ever read. Common now...isnt all of that common sense? I thought /. catered to enthusiasts - guess not anymore...

    "When I was a newbie modder, I happily cut a fan hole into the top of an ancient beige case. I mounted the fan, only to discover that the power supply overlapped the area where the fan would have been."

    ^...not even gonna comment...

  58. im no ubernerd by baldass · · Score: 1

    and have never built my own box, just had a bunch of apples over the years, my question is: how often do components really fail due to overheating? Ive had a linksys wrt54g in my attic for 6months and havent even had to restart it. it's like 120 up there on a sunny day.....I do need to vent my attic better, but it seems these computers, under normal circumstances just keep running....

  59. The CPU is Cool, What about my ROOM?! by i-Chaos · · Score: 1

    My comp runs fine, but what about my ROOM?! I have central air cond, but my bedroom is the only room in the house that is boiling hot in the summer. As a power user who doesn't like turning off his comp, that sucks :P

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    1. Re:The CPU is Cool, What about my ROOM?! by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Informative

      My comp runs fine, but what about my ROOM?! I have central air cond, but my bedroom is the only room in the house that is boiling hot in the summer. As a power user who doesn't like turning off his comp, that sucks :P

      Two things:

      1. Open your window - if you need a screen on it, then get one.

      2. Mount your PC so it's in the shade, with the exhaust going towards the window and the air intake coming from the shade.

      3. Buy a box fan for your window, or put one so it pushes the hot air out.

      4. Stop painting your room black when it faces south.

      5. Put a large flat tray of water right after the box fan, so that the air moving towards the computer is cooled by evaporation. Make sure this does not result in condensation on your computer after 30 minutes at say 3 pm (hottest time).

      6. If you can, buy louvred slats to cover your window and reflect out the sunlight but permit the airflow.

      7. If you're not at home, make sure your computer has sleep mode - and use it. Most heat is generated by your monitor, so buy an LCD flat screen monitor (lower energy usage, lower heat generation, quieter).

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    2. Re:The CPU is Cool, What about my ROOM?! by f0rt0r · · Score: 1

      Same problem here. One thing I did recently was to replace my two CRT's with LCD's, that helped a little. Opening the window doesn't help as it is 90-100 F outside, so it will actually get hotter if I open it.
      Something I am experimenting with is putting air filter material on all of the air ducts except the one in the 'office' room. I figure if that room is the path of least resistance, it will get more of the cool air.

      Most definitely my next round of computer upgrades will be concentrating on getting equipment that produces less heat and also quieter ( though I already have expensive quiet cases and 120mm fans ).

      Any other ideas?

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    3. Re:The CPU is Cool, What about my ROOM?! by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      I solved that problem for less than $30 a month with a virtual host somewhere on the east coast (don't even know where it really is). That's my only machine that's always on & holds all my files/email/stuffs. I access it ssh tunnel from work or wherever. The key is to seperate what can be kept on a machine that gets turned off from what must always be available.

  60. Pentiers Don't Work So Hot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somebody beat me to it, but it's true. Peltiers are better at heating than they are at cooling--the condensation is not the problem, you could regulate them to avoid that. Ive not used them cooling PC's but have seen them in other equipment.

    ...Peltier coolers end up adding a lot of heat to what you need to dissipate. A Peltier junction is rated in "temperature difference", in simple terms--the cold side will get a maximum of X degrees colder than the hot side, but you need to consider the ambient temperature to understand how well the Pentier is really working. The "hot" side always rises more above the ambient temperature than the "cold" side cools, because the Peltier itself consumes electricity to work, and that also gets translated into heat that comes off the "hot" side. A 50F-"spread" Peltier used in a room that is 70F might cool its cold side to -20 of 70, but the "hot" side will heat up to +30 above 70. The temperature difference is always slanted towards the hotter-side. This is the reason that still, no major appliance companies build regular refrigeration or air-conditioning/climate-control systems with Peltiers. Peltiers heat stuff better than they cool stuff, and we have better ways of heating stuff anyway.

    ....If you want to stack Peltiers the best way is to "pyramid" them. Such as, you would have one mounted on your CPU, and a metal bar on the hot side of that, and then two more side-by-side, and a metal bar on their hot sides, and then that metal bar is big enough to add three (or more) Peltiers, and so on, until you had your final radiant heat sink. If you stack Peltiers one-in-a-row you can't stack very many, because the total heat output of the preceeding junctions running 100% overwhelms what a single junction can handle after only a few layers.

    Peltiers are a good idea, but still need some serious work.

  61. oops:The CPU is Cool, What about my ROOM?! by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Two things:

    sorry, I listed seven things when I started with two.

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  62. Hmmm... by b3s · · Score: 1

    ...I own a mac, so my computer is already cool! ...oh, I think they meant how do I control the thermal build up...my bad.

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  63. Who needs extermal cooling by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    When you have a nice cool running ARM chip?

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  64. Oooooooooh!-A Navel solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well no. What happened is that you overpressurized your box, like a balloon and it just...POPPED![1]

    Turn them all around, and you'll see the opposite effect. Your computer will look like a grape with the juice sucked out of it.[2]

    [1]If you just did this? A slashdotting could take out the neighbourhood.

    [2]If you decide to try this? A slashdotting is a good counter-agent.

  65. Step 1: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Turn it off.

    Step 2:
    There is no step 2.

  66. Cool computers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Giant 80s sunglasses are the epitome of cool!

  67. Personal heat woes by NiTr|c · · Score: 1

    I've got a decent mid-tower case running right now. Two 80mm fans exhausting air out the rear, and one 80mm fan pushing air into the case from the front. Got 3 drives in it, a moderate GeForce FX card, and an Athlon64 3500+. Damn thing runs at 50C almost consistantly. The PSU also has 2 fans in it, one to lift air out of the case, and the 2nd to push it out the back. I'm not sure what I can do to cool it any more. There is no more room for fans in the case. There are no wires or cables obstructing the airflow, as they're kept quite tidy. I've been fighting trying to figure out a good solution for a bit now. Anyone here have a suggestion?

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    1. Re:Personal heat woes by jimi+the+hippie · · Score: 1

      You should definately have more intake fans than exhaust. It creates a positive pressure in the case and helps keep it cleaner and cooler.

  68. Funny this comes up today... by ShadowBlasko · · Score: 1

    I was playing UT2K4 this morning, when my alarm on my intel board started beeping.

    Before I could exit the game the alarm chirp had gone from beeping slowly to screaming at me, and I was presented with a zone2 temp of almost 180F, and 3 fan speed alarms. (30f above alarm status.. in 3 minutes)

    Upon opening the case, there was no mystery as to why.

    Our water heater gained "pining for the fjords" status last week, and being that it is right behind me, the carpet in here needed replacing after the new water heater was installed as the old one had cracked its tank, and dumped about 10 gallons of silty water into the carpet before I could purge it.

    Apparently, when maint replaced the carpet in here they really threw things around. 3 of my fans were totally bound up with shed carpet fibers... and the intake shrouds were completely opaque.

    2 of the fans were dead, but I absolutely needed to be online for an interview this afternoon.

    I remembered that I had about 1.5 pounds of dry ice left in the super freezer from an impulse buy on Friday. (My grocery store now carries dry ice.. at $.28 per lb.!!!) I just *had* to buy some to show my daughter the neat stuff it could do.

    I pulled the dead fans, moved the best working one to the top vent, and reversed it to intake, and sat the dry ice right in strips right over the vent hole!

    Desk looked very cool for awhile, but man! I forgot how much that stuff stinks!

    Compy stayed below 130F for 3 hours, interview was a success, and the new fans are now installed.

    (I know, its goofy.. but since it happened today, as was semi-on topic, I *had* to share)

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  69. Re:One word: Galaxy Fan. err... by cbittle · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see a picture of this... Seriously.

  70. Re:Ok so now my computer is cool. How about the ro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Put in a split aircon. Better than the window box type anyway.

  71. AC Battel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I don't want leaky water cooling"

    Neither do I. That's why I built my water rig myself, out of components and fittings I sourced and tested.

    So far, we're looking at two years - no leaks. I've changed out the tubing maybe 3 times, and it's probably due for a fourth in the coming month.

    For those who think, "tearing down and rebuilding your machine every 6-8 months? Intolerable!" I've got a few words for ya...

    First of all, it's not *necessary* to perform this maintenance on the water system, it just ensures good and proper function. Second, you really should strip your machine on a regular schedule, if only to vacuum out the dust bunnies and check for busted fans (bad bearings). Unplug things, clean everything, vacuum out the dead bugs, check for leaking capacitors, etc.

    I know many people get a chubby thinking about total uptime (argh, pun), and could never *think* of having their timer reset by taking down their machine for maintenance. These are the same people who love to see how far their car's engine can run without changing the oil, and insist that their one pair of underwear is "still good" after a week without washing it...then again, I guess it could be, if they weren't wearing it in the first place.

    The point of all this? There is no reason to expect a water cooling system to be anything but reliable and very capable. Build it yourself, or at least buy from a reputable manufacturer, and you should have no problems.

    1. Re:AC Battel! by Slugster · · Score: 1

      Hey, wow! I found my old reg name! I still don't know the password, but it let me log in and as long as I'm cookied I guess it's all good.

      I don't get chubbies about uptime, I'm just lazy and don't want to clean. I want a case with a filter in the front that I only need to clean maybe once a year (ideally), and that works well enough during that whole time that I don't have to ever clean out the inside of the case at all for the ~5 yrs I'll use it.

      And as far as water-cooling being just as reliable, sorry, it ain't so. You may rarely hear of cars having radiator problems, but you never hear of old Volkswagen Beetles having radiator problems. Adding a conventional (flow-through) radiator just moves the dust problem from the CPU heatsink to the radiator--and most PC's out there (at least mine) simply don't need to use water cooling anyway.

  72. Big Blue Chillin' With Water by miller60 · · Score: 1

    IBM today unveiled a chilled water cooling system to manage heat loads for high-density cabinets using its eServer cluster products. It's been dubbed "Cool Blue." The debate about water cooling in the data center is a heated one (for a conversation about cooling) and has been discussed here before. Amid all the other strategies mentioned here, it's interesting to see Big Blue touting water cooling.

  73. You guys do all that!? by mister_llah · · Score: 1

    Hell, I don't know about you, but I tape put a pair of sunglasses on mine, it keeps it cool 24 hours a DAY...

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  74. PowerNow kicks fans all over the place. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The latest AMD chips all come with cool&quiet support. If your mobo also supports it then you can have your chip idle at 30% voltage, kicking up to 100% the instant demand comes.

    For me it means the difference between feeling the temp rise in my room 5degrees before i configured it.

    I think this is way better than adding fans and water or whatever to cool a system that is running to fast anyway, also it helps your power bills!

    1. Re:PowerNow kicks fans all over the place. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have one of the chips that supports that, but I heard that the cool & quiet feature adds a little bit of slowdown... (not acceptible on my gaming rig) is this true?

  75. My GPU heat problems. by Dimensio · · Score: 1

    Case and CPU run at just fine temps (especially now that I have an Antec P180 case, complete with seperate compartment for the power supply to maximize airflow and reduce radiant heat), but my video card, a Nvidia 6800GT, still gets way too hot. Around 70C idle, over 90C with heavy loads. I've even installed an optional 80mm fan on the side exhaust vent (with the air blowing onto the card, as the case manual recommends). I've also tried a PCI fan card, nothing seems to cool that sucker down. Anyone have advice on this?

  76. Re:Ok so now my computer is cool. How about the ro by toddestan · · Score: 1

    Get some box fans, and apply the same logic as the guy in the article. You need an intake fan, and an exhaust fan. Since it sounds like you only have a door, things get a little tricky. But you can stack the fans, putting the intake fan on the bottom to blow in cool air, and the exhaust fan on top to blow out the hot air (remember hot air rises). I'm sure your coworkers will love you.

  77. Remember, it's just a heat pump... by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    A heat pipe and a large radiator does passively via convenction what the stirling engine does forcefully for the extra 9W.

    The overall cooling effect is still limited by the heat transfer ability of the hot side, which is always some kind of radiator.

    I like using heat pipes and a single fan that forces ambient air through multiple radiators (oriented lowest to highest heat load for maximum heat transfer). Cheap and easy.

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    1. Re:Remember, it's just a heat pump... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A heat pipe and a large radiator does passively via convenction what the stirling engine does forcefully for the extra 9W.

      Not so. A heat pipe is passive because it merely equalizes the temperature. A Stirling engine can continue pumping heat far below the ambient temperature. As I said, right into cryogenics range.

      The overall cooling effect is still limited by the heat transfer ability of the hot side, which is always some kind of radiator.

      'Tis true. But the hot side can easily be enhanced with fancier metals, and larger surface areas. Basically, you could use the entire side of the computer case to cool your centimeter square microprocessor.

  78. Re:Ok so now my computer is cool. How about the ro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the electric in the room can handle 6pc's and an air conditioner, you can buy a free standing air conditioner (if you can afford it).

    Also, as someone else pointed out, you can stack box fans in the doorway. The best way to do this might be to build a wood frame like this
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    * * -rollers
    Placing the fans with the bottom fan blowing into the room, the upper fan being an exhaust fan. Place rollers on the bottom of the wood frame so that it can be moved easily to allow you to get in/out of the room.

  79. Are you cool? by Spazmania · · Score: 1

    How to tell if you're cool:

    After the PC has been running for a few hours, open the case and touch your IDE hard drives. They should be cool to the touch. If they're warm (not hot, just warm) then your mad case modding skills are uncool. Also your drive will have an abbreviated lifespan, but why let that detail bother you?

    It takes very little to keep a modern IDE hard drive cool. Just blow air at it. They only run warm if the air around them is stagnant. Stagnant air acts as an insulator, causing what little heat they generate to build up. You may as well wrap it in a blanket!

    Bought the wrong case did you? No way to mount a fan so that it moves cool air across the drives? Here's a tip:

    What works for CPUs works for hard drives too. Go out to your favorite hardware store and buy an aluminum bar. Mount the drive so that the rear-most screw hole is outside the drive bay inside the case. Drill a hole in the aluminum bar so you can attach it to the drive with a screw and then bend the bar so that one of the case fans blows air past the the thin edge. Attach the aluminum bar to the hard drive putting some thermal compound between the two. Congratulations: you just made a heat pipe that pulls heat away from the drive.

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  80. 1U cooling is a hard problem. by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 2, Informative

    You need a decent heatsink designed for 1U use, and a motherboard with 1U use in mind.
    Motherboard considerations: The chip socket should be as recessed as possible considering the board standoffs, no large capacitors, as many right-angled cable connectors as possible, etc.
    Also, the chip sockets have to be oriented so they are not obstructed by board components (such as filled RAM slots).
    The heatsink has to be full of fins oriented front-to-back. Then you need to install an assload of 60mm fans, and some plastic or carboard airflow guides/hoods to force that air into and out of the CPU heatsink while bypassing everything else. A few of the remaining fans that don't funnel into the CPU cooling "tunnel" will be cooling the power supply on one side, and a few more for general MB/chipset cooling on the other.
    You will absolutely need fans in the front and back, as close to the front and rear ventilation holes of the case as possible.

    Also helpful are HSFs that are horizontally oriented designed for 1U mounting to various socket types... but they are rare.

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  81. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot by Cervantes · · Score: 3, Funny

    Whiskey Tango Foxtrot ....

    Seriously, WTF dude? It takes 2 pages to describe where you should mount your fan? We need another how-to on how to cut a fuckin hole in your case? "Have some fans in the front and some more in the back"... well, THERE'S a fuckin gem! Christ, I never would have thought of that!! I thought I should go out and buy 20 fuckin 200mm fans and duct-tape them all in a GIANT FUCKIN STACK right over my CPU, creating a giant VORTEX OF DOOM sticking out the side of my case, and THEN I would vent that GIANT VORTEX OF DOOM back INTO the front of my case, to make sure I made appropriate use of my airflow, and THEN to make sure I didn't have any leaks I'd duct-tape EVERY FUCKIN HOLE in my case shut, including those wussy holes on the back, they're not for anything, right? And THEN, when I have my GIANT VORTEX OF DOOM running at FULL BLAST, with my tower jitterbugging off the edge of my desk due to the MASSIVE VIBRATIONS, and my cats are running for their lives lest they be SUCKED IN to the one dime-sized hole I left open on the front of my case (for my wires to run for my most awesome LCD panel dude!), and THEN, I would have the GREATEST COOLING RIG EVAR!!!! Mwahahaha!!!

    But now, thanks to this in-depth, insightful article, I now know that, if I want to cool my case, I have to put FUCKING FANS ON MY CASE... and if I want a fan where there isn't a hole, I can either CHANGE MY FUCKING MIND, or CUT A FUCKING HOLE.

    HOLY SHIT DUDE, I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT.

    Thanks you Slashdot. I feel my intelligence being leeched out by the alien overlord editors as we speak. Your grand plan for DUMBING DOWN THE FUCKING WORLD is working great. Good job. I am a l33t h4ck3r now. Feer me, for I know the power of the FAN!!!

    Please let me know when I can cast my vote for Kodos. Anything that queer slimy bastard can do to stop this story from being duped next week will make me very very happy.

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  82. I am about to cut a hole by Insipid+Trunculance · · Score: 1

    in the side panel , cover it with a mesh and have a very low RPM 6-8" inblowing fan installed.Cool insides and low noise?

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  83. Fans by cbailster · · Score: 1

    Great article. I'm a big fan of adequate case cooling. Sorry

  84. Cool ? by BonoLeBonobo · · Score: 1

    Nothing better than liquid nitrogen then >:>

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  85. I keep my computer cool... by Kopretinka · · Score: 1

    by putting a lot of stickers on it. It sure is one of the cooler laptops in the meetings I attend. 8-)

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  86. Best way of forgetting about CPU heat problems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just buy a Mac :-P

  87. Water cooling by olman · · Score: 1

    But, really, all of those fan and water and air-conditioning based cooling options are just really good ways to make your office or computer area really friggin' loud.

    And that's where you're dead wrong. The annoying high pitched whine from the ancient Radeon9700 was finally strangled by replacing CPU and GPU fans by a watercooling kit. Really big drop in fan noise. In fact the power supply fan came to completely dominate the PC hum, water pump or that 12cm radiator fan are undetectable.

    I quess I should buy a "silent" PSU but of course in the world of web reviews, every damned hairdryer is "silent" if the reviewer gets 2 half-price movie tickets with the test unit.

    I can recommend Bigwater kit without reserve WRT noise, thought.

  88. Dangerous and Effective : The Water Solution by armanox · · Score: 1

    At one point in time, I overclocked an old Pentium system, added two more drives than it should have held, and broke the fan. Now, with the average daytime temperature having been at 31C, the computer heated up fast. I used frozen water bottles to cool the system, until I left the thing on overnight to find the heat killed the motherboard, a CD-ROM drive, two sticks of RAM (32 Megs each), and my two glorious 1 GB HDs. Water does indeed help when used properly

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  89. How did this one slip by? by kabloie · · Score: 1

    That is a great example of a bad article parsed up into n parts made only to sell ads. There are 50 better cooling articles out there if you just look a bit.

  90. Re:One word: Galaxy Fan. err... by TheCamper · · Score: 1

    I can't get my usb to work correctly under Slackware 10.1, so I can't get pictures off my (friend's) digital camera.

  91. Front fan by Ricin · · Score: 1

    Here's one: make sure it blows outwards or perhaps even better remove it. A front fan sucking (already warm room temperature) air in can easily contribute to CPU/MB/HD heating.

    There's enough holes and slits everywhere to get fresh air into the case. Don't think you're improving airflow (perhaps yes) and therefore heat reduction (certainly not) with a front fan blowing into the case. It also gets much more dust into your case BTW. It would work in a relatively sterile room that is cooled itself (a server room perhaps, but not a bedroom).