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Indie Podcasters vs. Big Radio

skepticality writes "The weekly news and business magazine BusinessWeek has an article coming out in this weeks edition that highlights Skepticality, Coverville, AMP, and other indipendant podcasts and podcast networks. The article explains how a small number of indie podcasts are holding their own against the corporate and big-radio shows in the iTunes top 20 rankings." From the article: "In one of the shortest trajectories yet for a new Internet technology, podcasting has gone from the hands of indie developers to media giants in less than a year. Credit Apple. With typical finesse, it has created a centralized, easy-to-use service on iTunes that makes it a snap to find and listen to podcasts, the audio recordings that can be downloaded from the Net and played on a computer or portable music player. Apple also put out a new version of the iTunes software, which makes it easy for people to create their own podcasts, and invited all to post their creations on the site. Indie podcasters such as Kempenaar and Hallgren rejoiced, ready for the mainstream to embrace the technology they had championed."

148 comments

  1. Big Radio and Australia by dysprosia · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seems like some "Big Radio" stations in Australia are embracing podcasting; ABC Radio National at least is offering some of its programs as podcasts here, and it appears to be going very well for RN...

    1. Re:Big Radio and Australia by mattjb0010 · · Score: 2, Informative

      triple j too.

    2. Re:Big Radio and Australia by bmfs · · Score: 2, Informative

      Every science geek should listen to Dr Karl's podcast on triple j. Dr Karl has degrees in physics and medicine and is great at answering all those science / medical / engineering questions we all have - and his answers are entertaining to boot (if I had kids, I'd force them to listen to it - and they'd love it too). Brilliant stuff - it's on my iPod every thursday morning. (he's also on five live in the UK an hour after his triple j show, but noon Aussie time translates to 3am UK time unfortunately). To quote from the website: Once a week for a magic hour, Karl is Live on Air on triple j. It's an hour devoted to the collective exploration of some of the great mysteries of life, such as "why does the water in the shower slow down just when it gets hot?". Sorry this has turned into a Dr Karl ad, but it's a great listen.

  2. Indipendants by elronxenu · · Score: 2, Funny

    In radio, nobody knows your spelling sucks.

    1. Re:Indipendants by goldspider · · Score: 1

      Ya know, I'm beginning to think that the editors aren't even trying anymore...

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    2. Re:Indipendants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe it was refering to Indie hence "Indipendants" or I could be wrong.

    3. Re:Indipendants by elronxenu · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Actually, it was probably a pun on "indie" which just went over my head. My excuse is that I had just come from reading The Australian, and one of their headlines was "Furst London Bomb Charges Laid". I kid you not. At first I thought it was a typical stupid newspaper pun headline, like "How the west was one" (on the page currently) or "Strange powder in the mail sparks jumbo panic" (also on the page currently); maybe somebody named Furst had been arrested.

      And then I realised the horrible truth. Their so-called "journalists" can't spell. You'd think that somebody who chose the written word as their calling in life would take at least a little pride in using the language correctly. But apparently not.

      Time and time again I have seen some pretty pathetic spelling errors on that site. Like "putting on the breaks" instead of "putting on the brakes". I saw that error twice in two days. Apparently the journalists submit the stories and they go up on the web immediately in all their un-spell-checked glory. Perhaps some sub-editor is tasked with the thankless job of retro-fixing the spelling, because "Furst" has now been properly corrected to "First".

      So to those journalists, I say "choose radio". Because you can keep on spelling like an idiot and nobody will know.

      As for Slashdot, the editors need feel no shame. They're right where they want to be - close to the bottom rung of the ladder. I look forward to reading this story again tomorrow.

    4. Re:Indipendants by elronxenu · · Score: 1
      The funny thing is that even if you're right, they're still wrong. The word is spelled independent with an e, not an a, and so if they were making a correct pun they'd write indipendent or indiependent but certainly not indipendant.

      Google says: "Did you mean: independent"

    5. Re:Indipendants by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Maybe the article is referring to an article of jewelry that goes around the neck. I wonder if there will be matching indi-earrings as well. You know, they go "in di ear".

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    6. Re:Indipendants by NateTech · · Score: 1

      Were they ever?

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  3. Dont call them podcasts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can we please stop calling these things 'podcasts'? They're downloadable mp3s, when did iPods start supporting only mp3? Why not call them rivercasts, or zencasts?

    1. Re:Dont call them podcasts. by JeffTL · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Same reasons I've seen certain academics say "blogosphere" with a straight face when I know they know as well as I do that there is already a name for the connected totality of HTML documents served over the Internet on HTTP servers -- the "World Wide Web" comes to mind.

      It makes some Guardian (from whence the word came, according to Wikipedia) and New York Times readers feel satisfied that they've read some technology and mass media news for the week.

    2. Re:Dont call them podcasts. by richieb · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Can we please stop calling these things 'podcasts'?

      Why not? This just like calling a paper tissue kleenex..

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    3. Re:Dont call them podcasts. by Darvin · · Score: 2, Informative

      Podcasts refer to Mp3 or Mp4 files downloaded via RSS.

      The reason podcasts are called podcasts because the "podfather" or creator of the first program that downloaded mp3 files via RSS made it automatically add to iTunes and then sync to an iPod staight after the mp3 was downloaded.

    4. Re:Dont call them podcasts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but Apple does not have any product called iBlog, right? RIGHT????

    5. Re:Dont call them podcasts. by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      Podcasts refer to Mp3 or Mp4 files downloaded via RSS.

      In fact they could be any file format, as long as the players support it.

      As to the Podcast name - it roles off the toung much easier than some of the other alternative names.

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    6. Re:Dont call them podcasts. by Jambon · · Score: 1
      an we please stop calling these things 'podcasts'? They're downloadable mp3s

      "Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature - Asian American, please...

    7. Re:Dont call them podcasts. by SFEley · · Score: 1
      Congratulations. You've just recited a point that comes up in all the podcasting forums at least once a week.

      The answer is always the same: it's catchy, it's simple, and the media picked up on it. If you can come up with an appropriate name that's catchier, you're welcome to try to change things. No one's succeeded yet.

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    8. Re:Dont call them podcasts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So the other day I footcasted over the my friend's house for some xboxcast because he had just cashcasted the new ncaa '06.

      After a few hours of beatcasting I got tired so I went out to cancercast on the porch. Then I came back inside and my friend and I windowscasted some battlefield 2.

      We shotcasted and wincasted those n00bcasts until we got hungry and cellcasted for a pizzacast which arrived on time for one...

    9. Re:Dont call them podcasts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called "podcasting" because any technically accurate description of what is actually happening would be so vague as to be incomprehensible. It needed a name, and since ipods are the only portable MP3 player that anyone actually cares about, that was a logical connection.

      Outside the rarified atmosphere of slashdot, it's important to realise that Apple's MP3 players completely dominate the market, due to a combination of good industrial design, slick marketing, and some first-mover advantage. They own the bottom end (clueless mooks who want a thing what plays their music, yo) and the high end (alpha geeks who have moved in droves to Apple's hardware and operating system platforms).

      There's a small ghetto in the middle somewhere, populated by geeks who are either early adopters of something else, too cool for an ipod, too poor for an ipod, or want some esoteric feature that the invisible hand has otherwise decided is irrelevant. If not for this ghetto, no one other than Apple would sell MP3 players at all.

      Even if they stopped selling them tomorrow, there's a good five years of market mass built up behind it as a platform now, and regardless of what snot-nosed teenagers spurting off on slashdot have to say, for all of the normal people in the world, the reaction to the concept of a portable MP3 player is either "huh?" or "ipod!"

      It's a source of constant amazement to me that Creative Labs, et. al. have not yet realised that they have comprehensively lost, and their shotgun approach to finding a niche for their devices has not worked. Smarter people than me have observed that product cycles are long, however, and what filters through to us hairy apes with the credit cards is the result of an elaborate dance that took place at Apple or Creative Labs six months ago. Perhaps in another six months, the landscape will look different. The smart money says that Microsoft will make a play for this market by combining the portable MP3 player concept with the PDA concept and the cellphone concept, resulting in one device that will suddenly make the idea of carrying a separate little brick just for music amusingly quaint. Expect it to be a day late and a dollar short. :-)

      It IS interesting to see the knee-jerk bitterness in the geek community as soon as any one of their cool toys is anointed and presented to the masses, though.

    10. Re:Dont call them podcasts. by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 1

      The same way that anything Microsoft releases is immediately an "industry standard": they own 90% of the market, ergo everything they do is a standard. Whenever iRiver or the Creative Zen's market share goes above single digit percentages, then they can get cool jargon, too.

      If it makes you feel better, the word "pod" existed before the iPod. Of course, that probably makes all the listeners "pod people"...

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  4. The irony of podcasting by the_unknown_soldier · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The irony of podcasting is that it was created to circumvent big media companies. The itms top 20 suggests that as much as people love to tell themselves "I hate those clear channel motherfuckers" When it comes down to it, thats all people really want.

    1. Re:The irony of podcasting by wormuniverse · · Score: 1

      it is more that most people wouldn't be able distinguish between a their own ass and a hole in the ground, much less an indie podcast vs a clearchannel one. (besides the obvious polis and production value differences. to the average consumer, what does content matter when wighed agains slick unintrusive production?

    2. Re:The irony of podcasting by Saven+Marek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > The irony of podcasting is that it was created to circumvent big
      > media companies.

      says you in your naivete. look at the name ferchrissakes it is "podcast". If that's not a creation of Apple Computer then I don't know what is. It might look like it's not directly linked to Apple but with a name like that you can bet Apple was pushing for it in the background. check the money trail I bet you can see where it leads and it's not kansas.

      a fake grassroots movement designed to look anti big media and all the little pseudo indies are lapping it up.

    3. Re:The irony of podcasting by the_unknown_soldier · · Score: 1

      Why would Dave Winer need money from apple?! He is a fucking millionare who doesn't have a job because he doesn't need one! And for that matter, what the hell kind of money trail will there be? Podcasting costs nothing! I'm all for cynicism, but you're looking for a conspiracy where there isn't one to be had.

    4. Re:The irony of podcasting by Saven+Marek · · Score: 1

      With undying loyalty like that it's no wonder nobody looks for the trail :-)

      freedom of informaiton is only good if you use it. doesnt mean anyone will give it to you on a platter.

      but if you want to be that loyal to big money so be it.

    5. Re:The irony of podcasting by Saven+Marek · · Score: 1

      > Why would Dave Winer need money from apple?! He is a fucking
      > millionare who doesn't have a job because he doesn't need one

      Why does Donald Trump keep making money in business? he is a fucking billionare! People will always want more power, more money and sink to new lows to get it.

    6. Re:The irony of podcasting by the_unknown_soldier · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bad example. Donald Trump is smoke and mirrors. He gets money from Asia to invest and then has to pay it back. His businesses are going broke so he choose to do a TV show as the only way to save himself from complete bankrupsy.

    7. Re:The irony of podcasting by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It simply doesn't matter if 19 of the top 20--or even 99 of the top 100--shows are the product of "big media". The point isn't that podcasting provides an alternative to big media. It's that it provides alternatives, full stop. If your neighbor wants to do a show wherein he spends an hour each week just talking about his dog, Fifi, he can do it, and reach just about anyone in the world who wants to tune in.

      Ten years ago, nobody could choose the Fifi Variety Hour. It isn't surprising that big media can garner the name recognition, advertising clout, market research, and (let's face it) talent to keep a large majority of people choosing their product. Podcasting is still a great leveller, because now they have to compete with every no-name garage DJ on the basis of product quality, rather than on the basis of "I have a radio station and you don't."

      If some people only want to use podcasting as a convenient way to listen to radio programming, who cares? It doesn't detract from your ability to produce your own show, or my ability to listen to it. As the systems for matching people to interesting content improve (and boy will they ever), big media is either going to have to expand its offerings to cover a wide variety of new niches, or watch their audience reject them in favor of content that more precisely reflects their own interests.

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    8. Re:The irony of podcasting by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      but Trump's already been completely broke AND declared bankruptcy. It doesn't seem to have hurt him much.

      I am disappointed with how much of a coward he's turned out to be lately though. According to his showvertisment, he never does anything "small" yet he criticizes designs for world's largest buildings as being terrorist targets and even scaled down his own mega-skyscraper to avoid being such a target. Was I the only one hoping for an impressive giant skyscraper to rise from the ashes of the WTC, dwarfing all around it and taking not one but ALL of the titles for world's tallest building?

      something like.. say.. the "Mile high skyscraper" obviously, the club on the top floor will have rather exclusive membership...

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    9. Re:The irony of podcasting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With undying loyalty like that it's no wonder nobody looks for the trail

      You follow the trail then. Let us know when you find something more substantial than your own imagination.

    10. Re:The irony of podcasting by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      If I had any mod points, you'd be gettin' em.

      I'm not surprised that the iTunes top 20 is mostly taken up by commercially-produced shows, and really anyone who is, is a bit naive. But the important thing is that 20th show, which isn't commercially-produced, and is up there too.

      This technology gives people choice, and levels the playing field between independent and corporate radio. Which one people pick is their own business, but the point is that they have a choice.

      Furthermore, the integration into iTunes of Podcasting in general (say what you will of the name) is good because it brings a slew of content -- independent and commercial -- to users who probably wouldn't want to go to the bother of downloading a separate 'Podcasting Receiver' program to troll RSS feeds and download them to their Library. This isn't to say that those programs shouldn't be kept going (because we always want to have an alternative, in case Apple started doing something evil) but it's silly to whine because a company is trying to capitalize on a technological movement and make it easier for users to access at the same time.

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    11. Re:The irony of podcasting by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      The irony of podcasting is that it was created to circumvent big media companies.

      What the fuck do you think Apple is becoming? The company is doing it's very best to transform itself the whore of every media giant in the world, distributing the same ol' shit in a fashionable, new, hip way for the young and shallow. Ignorance and hypocrisy have never been more profitable, especially to Apple.

      Apple doesn't give a shit about you, or "indies", or whatever the hell you think they were up to when they came up with the iPod. They care about making money, and the best way to do that is to spread their legs for established media - and get you to spread your legs in the process. And it works, because even the fucking fools who scream "the RIAA sux, dude!" couldn't wait to get their jism-covered paws on an iPod.

      Podcasting was never about "indies". It was, and always has been, about getting packaged content out to young users, especially those who might otherwise engage in acts of masturbatory self-congratulation over the fact that they don't buy in to the "popular culture". A whole demographic ripe for the plucking, in the end just as dumb and ignorant as all the other demographics they so often look down upon.

      Max

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    12. Re:The irony of podcasting by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      says you in your naivete. look at the name ferchrissakes it is "podcast". If that's not a creation of Apple Computer then I don't know what is. It might look like it's not directly linked to Apple but with a name like that you can bet Apple was pushing for it in the background. check the money trail I bet you can see where it leads and it's not kansas.

      Show me the proof. You can make bets, state claims, but in the end, it isn't true unless it is true, the only way to know for sure is the claimant must actually follow the trail and convince others.

      One thing that you do seem to be missing is that there ARE a lot of independent podcasts, heavy commercial interest really didn't show up until Apple was promoting it. Most of those indies are still around and more are still popping up.

      So, no, podcasting doesn't inherently mean independent, but it does provide an avenue for independents that simply didn't exist before.

    13. Re:The irony of podcasting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The minute Apple stepped in to support podcasting, they created that portal that allows all sorts of manipulation of 'the most popular' lists on their site, as well as the stunning ability for Apple to decide who gets the nice advertising icons and who doesn't. Perhaps Adam Curry could tell us if he was behind the name 'podcast,' since he sure seemed tight with Apple in the run up to their itunes support.

      maybe we need 'indycasts' and 'publicradio casts' as marketing terms to distinguish between the commercialized nature of Apple's podcast support and the other great content that's out there. And then, where is the portal for these non-commercial podcasts other than apple?

      I don't like Apple's taking this portal over and formulating it to be just for the Disneys, the ESPNs, the ABCs, etc. of our media world..those guys will never do anything innovative and its a shame that Apple is allowing them to clog up the portal, but as one poster implied, for Apple it is about getting all the major media companies together so that it can be your video cast distributor versus Microsoft, and podcasting is their entry into this. Apple wants to be the podcast/videocast network and portal.

    14. Re:The irony of podcasting by NateTech · · Score: 1

      He probably had some insurance company people pay a visit behind closed doors and tell him they'd triple his insurance costs on a building in NYC if it was bigger than the surrounding skyline. Shiny new big buildings do make nice targets.

      It's not like businesses as big as his happen in a bubble. The underwriters control his ass, no matter how much money he has. If he can't insure the building, he's sure as hell not going to build it that big. Just business.

      As far as wanting a mega-skyscraper to replace WTC, it's emotionally appealing, but insurance people would never let it happen. Lloyds of London wouldn't even touch that -- I'm sure.

      Back to the Don... Politically, it makes sense that if he's under a limitation like those, then he must start saying things like "big skyscrapers are bad - they might attract terrorists" to make it look like he doesn't want to build his building that high.

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    15. Re:The irony of podcasting by SilverspurG · · Score: 1
      Show me the proof.
      Such a strong denial response. You don't need to be shown the proof. You have the proof. This is not denial. This is incredulity. Until the parent made their post you were certain you had hidden the evidence where no one could find it. Now you're shocked that someone figured out the scam and you're hoping to God they don't have the proof. You're thinking, right now,"If they do have the proof then I'm fscked."

      It works the same way in political debate.

      It works the same way in debates with your boss.
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  5. Too much praise... by thelost · · Score: 5, Interesting

    for iTunes. I'm sorry but the iTunes top 20 is hardly representative of the current health of indie podcasts. The most recent version of iTunes with podcast support has only been around a short while; I've been using it and it is functionally quite satisfying but I certainly wouldn't trust it's charts as a reasonable way to measure any kind of health in the indie movement.

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    1. Re:Too much praise... by wormuniverse · · Score: 1

      and the ITMS top 20 is not a function of the most overall subscribed to feeds, it is weighted for speed of adoption for new feeds, and other sundry variables.

    2. Re:Too much praise... by l3v1 · · Score: 1

      but the iTunes top 20 is hardly representative of

      Especially since many of us don't use itunes for listening to free'n'indie streamed radio feeds, Oh, wait, some people don't know what those are: you know, they are kinda like podcasts, but unlike the latter, they've been around for quite a long time and well, the words describing them... have a real meaning ? :P

      The whole "podcast" "blogosphere" etc. word buzz made me remember a review someone wrote about the TRON movie on its anyversary not so long ago. The guy said it was the Matrix of the 80's... Right, so the www is well, the lbogosphere of the 90's. Now go get a life.

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    3. Re:Too much praise... by SFEley · · Score: 1

      The reason everyone pays attention to iTunes is because it's the biggest visibility channel for podcasts that exists right now. The number of listeners grabbing podcasts with iTunes dwarfed the number grabbing them with specialized podcatching clients (iPodder, Dopper, etc.) almost immediately. So if a show's in the iTunes Top 100, you know there are a lot of people subscribed to it. There's no other public yardstick for that right now.

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    4. Re:Too much praise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I agree with the poster about the dubious nature of Apple's top 20 list. I suspect there is some behind the scenes info about this list. I noticed as soon as itunes podcasting launched that many of the corporate podcasts were 'big' over night on the top 20. Plus, I noticed how prominent the corporate logos were on the site, which caused me immediate worry, since it was clear Apple was pushing the mainstream stuff, and making it not as easy to find the indie podcasts.. and when i looked for BBC podscasts, they were very hard to find since they were not shown as BBC but as 'unknown' so you had to know the title of the BBC podcast to subsribe to it. Not so for the ABC, ESPN, and other corporate podcasts which were easy to find and download.

      I think itunes has caused an explosion in corporate podcasting but has not helped the indie folks at all. As for me, I still use ipodder since its far easier to use once you know what the podcast is you want to subscribe to.

  6. People want originality by LastNickAvailable · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This is proof that people are looking for something original apart from the usual tasteless commercial soupe.

  7. great. by wormuniverse · · Score: 1

    Now we are in for a week of Adam Curry simultaneously taking credit for and bemoaning this development.
    Still I listen to each new episode....

  8. Am i the only one... by imsabbel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    who hates the fucking "podcasting" name?
    Its shitty audio streaming, not something one would expect to hear during some voyager technobabble.

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    1. Re:Am i the only one... by Tx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm with you on that one. Though it's syndicated downloading rather than streaming. But yeah, definitely needs to be called something else.

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    2. Re:Am i the only one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It really is nothing new. Just some geezers that think they 'hacked' something great.
      I, like zillions of people over the past hundreds of years have recorded some streaming audio to listen on a portable player in my own time.

      Ok, now slag me off for not truly understanding it.

    3. Re:Am i the only one... by goldspider · · Score: 1

      For that matter, am I the only one tired of "independent" being shortened to "indie"? It just reeks of pretentiousness.

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    4. Re:Am i the only one... by Saven+Marek · · Score: 1

      Well the web is just downloads like you were able to do for decades on the net and with modems before the web came along. it really is nothing new just some people who think they hacked something great.

      Like many other people before the web I have downloaded some text and images and files off the web to view them.

    5. Re:Am i the only one... by balloonhead · · Score: 1

      You mean indipendant?

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    6. Re:Am i the only one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not EVEN "shitty audio streaming" at all, it's just a damned automated download of a single file that you play back later. That's it. I have no idea why this "concept" is so popular at all, nor why it is perpetually attached to the iPod.

      REAL broadcasting would use multicast, a p2p relayer, or at the very least, Icecast.

      "Podcasting" and -ugh- "blogs" are just the internet's version of "reality TV", only each "cast" is a one-man show of the usual opinion and self-promotion.

    7. Re:Am i the only one... by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Speaking of which, I really *hate* when people shorten "the Internet" to "the Net". It positively reeks of faux-hip. And why do people use "googling" when they really mean "looking something up on Google". Don't they know it makes it sound dirty?

      Don't have a cow, man.* "Indie" is not a problem, and it conserves two syllables every time it's used. You wouldn't badmouth somebody for driving a Prius, would you?**

      "Podcasting" seems like an acceptable word to use to describe publishing content in such a way that people can listen to it on their portable devices (many of which are iPods). Admittedly, the balance of evidence points to the term being coined by Apple's marketing department. But I'm sure that as it goes on, and the trend moves forward, it will lose that air of self-conscious trendiness. The people who used "googling" looked silly at first, too. It just takes a while for your ears to adjust.

      * -1, Didn't check expiration date on catchphrase prior to usage.

      ** -1, Total Friggin Non-Sequitur.

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    8. Re:Am i the only one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why do people use "googling" when they really mean "looking something up on Google"

      It's called searching. Web searches existed before Google, you know...

    9. Re:Am i the only one... by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      Why did the parent get marked Troll? The podcasting name is the worst possible name giving Apple and iPod the automatic marketing advantage.

      In addition, there is nothing worst than free radio being censored because it is associated with a corporate entity that can be sued. Now Apple can filter whatever they deem inappropriate.

    10. Re:Am i the only one... by Kenshin · · Score: 1

      But I suppose you'd be cheering if it were called an oggcast or a gnucast...

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  9. Market research by jurt1235 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That is why big stations do market research so that they can target their broadcasts and podcasts to the consumer. A successfull podcaster will have to address the same group (compete) or a group which is now not addressed since it is commercially not attractive. To compete is tough, you have to fight big money, so yes, the big ones win again with this.

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  10. DIY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    D.I.Y. or DIE.

  11. True definition of podcast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Podcast: a pretentious form of audio streaming peculiar to people who unquestioningly digest new buzzwords in the same way that Mac users butts digest fresh cock.

    1. Re:True definition of podcast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what's funnier, the post or the fact that someone actually dared to mod it up.

    2. Re:True definition of podcast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That just about sums it up. Someone call Webster's.

    3. Re:True definition of podcast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who the hell is modding this? Score 3, Funny?

      There are a million ways to slam the absurdity of calling these 'podcasts' without some low-brow gay bashing joke.

    4. Re:True definition of podcast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      How does that post bash homosexuals?

    5. Re:True definition of podcast by ultranova · · Score: 4, Funny

      How does that post bash homosexuals?

      It implies that they are Mac users ;).

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    6. Re:True definition of podcast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      How does that post bash homosexuals?
      To a Bolshevik, anything less than homolatry "basheth gays."
  12. False Logic by kerrbear · · Score: 1

    From the article: Cinecast movie review show was one of the site's featured offerings. The exposure...sent their show...up the iTunes' list of the top 100 podcasts, peaking at No. 13... Then Roger Ebert showed up...Within a few short days, Ebert & Roeper climbed to No. 2, while Cinecast dropped to 72.

    I don't know if a direct connection can be made here. It's more likely that Cinecast got an initial bump from the first downloads and then only a percentage of people decided to keep with it. Same with Ebert. It is likely that it will also drop off after the initial first downloads.

    Having said that though, a lot of indie podcasts, even the top ones, suffer from a distinct lack of professionalism. I don't mean just lack of a radio voice or something like that, I mean stuff like loooong intros and spending literally half the show talking about how you can contact the show. There's a real lack of understanding about how to keep people interested. A lot are good though, but to keep up with mainstream media, indicasts are going to have to minimize the boring stuff.

    1. Re:False Logic by stego · · Score: 2, Funny

      I mean stuff like loooong intros and spending literally half the show talking about how you can contact the show.

      I'll second that exact observation.

    2. Re:False Logic by RikF · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually the logic is far more false. The itunes rating shows *new* subscriptions, not ongoing ones. So any show that gains a following will peak and then drop down the ratings. It's like saying that 'Band X' is more popular than the Beatles because they have a song in the charts and the Beatles don't any more....

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  13. Wow.. by QaBOjk · · Score: 3, Funny

    Streaming audio, i never heard of this before.. Apple thinks of everything!!!

    1. Re:Wow.. by Darth+Maul · · Score: 1

      It's not streaming audio, and Apple didn't invent this. Perhaps you should do at least a *tiny* bit of research before trying your hand at a witty reply.

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    2. Re:Wow.. by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I do understand the main point though. While internet audio shows are nothing new, look to Slashdot's Geeks in Space, circa seven years ago.

      What makes "podcast" new is that there are now several easy to use programs that will automatically grab the latest audio shows that you listen to and automatically put it in your media player, and even automatically put them on your portable media player.

      The old means of audio show distribution was more like standard TV distribution, it is there but you have to get it, automatically fetching subscribed shows makes it much more like Tivo.

      I understand this automatic fetching really isn't that new either, there was a technology called "push". I'll admit I rejected push at the time, but I think it was because it was dreamt up by commercial interests, it looked to me to be loss of control. Maybe push as it was defined back then was bad, the best I can say that I didn't understand the basic idea until podcasts came about.

      Now it looks like commercial interests might be pushing out the independents.

    3. Re:Wow.. by jvital · · Score: 1

      It's not even streamed, it's downloaded (AFAIK). I can't understand what's the big deal with this podcasting stuff... since when downloading mp3s is big deal?

    4. Re:Wow.. by DWIM · · Score: 1
      Now it looks like commercial interests might be pushing out the independents.

      I see no reason why that has to be true. It should be all about the content anyway. If the independents are making compelling content, they should be ok. If the commercial interests are making compelling content, that is ok too.

  14. Has to be said... by Darth+Maul · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Podcasting, like a lot of other deployments of technology (think the Web), was a lot more useful before The Man got a hold of it. Before the new iTunes came along, we had places like iPodder.org and podcastalley to list podcasts, and on those sites it was all about indepedent podcasts. There were a few more "official" ones from radio stations and whatnot, but they just weren't as popular.

    Now with iTunes it's back to the same techniques using marketing and flashy graphics for the iTunes banner thingy for a particular podcast, so the same masses that tune into clearchannel will click on these new links. And the worst part is now everyone thinks there "in" because they listen to a podcast.

    I think it's sad to see the iTunes top 20 - it's mostly corporate overproduced junk. To me, the whole point of podcasting is to listen to what I want to listen to, not just have another medium for corporate radio junk. Most of the podcasts I listen to aren't even on the iTunes list at all because (oh, the horror) they might play material that is not properly licensed because of copyright issues. It's almost like I feel I have gone "underground" to listen to the *real* podcasts.

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    1. Re:Has to be said... by mmkkbb · · Score: 1

      um, podcastalley and ipodder.org hasven't gone anywhere, have they?

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    2. Re:Has to be said... by SandSpider · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Podcasting, like a lot of other deployments of technology (think the Web), was a lot more useful before The Man got a hold of it. Before the new iTunes came along, we had places like iPodder.org and podcastalley to list podcasts, and on those sites it was all about indepedent podcasts. There were a few more "official" ones from radio stations and whatnot, but they just weren't as popular.
      [...]
        Most of the podcasts I listen to aren't even on the iTunes list at all because (oh, the horror) they might play material that is not properly licensed because of copyright issues. It's almost like I feel I have gone "underground" to listen to the *real* podcasts.


      Okay, so podcasting is less useful now because you have to go to the same place you used to go to in order to get podcasts?

      Honestly, the web is far more useful now that "the man" has gotten a hold of it. Versiontracker is a far more useful tool than the umich archives for Mac Shareware, for example. Yeah, there's more commercial content out there, but it's still a lot easier to find the informational content with Google, despite what people complain about sales links. Plus, you have the various filter sites and weblogs that will point you towards random interesting things.

      The early days of the web were not part of some grand electronic utopia. I would far rather be here now than six years ago.
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    3. Re:Has to be said... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Most of the podcasts I listen to aren't even on the iTunes list at all because (oh, the horror) they might play material that is not properly licensed because of copyright issues.

      I really don't see this as being reasonable.

      First, you have to understand that listing podcasts that play unlicenced media will reflect badly on Apple. You might not have an issue, but providing listings to illegal media is probably going to cause problems. The iTunes software will still let you subscribe to those shows, though I still use iPodder because iTunes collected podcasts don't get into my "recently added" smart playlists for continuous playback.

      Also, there is so much GOOD "pod-safe" music that there is absolutely no excuse to play it instead of the "corporate overproduced junk" music.

    4. Re:Has to be said... by DWIM · · Score: 1
      And the worst part is now everyone thinks there "in" because they listen to a podcast.

      Isn't the worst part really that those that considered themselves "in" before now might feel they are just part of the mainstream?

    5. Re:Has to be said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the worst part is now everyone thinks there "in" because they listen to a podcast.
      Say it's not true! Now you'll have to find some alternative technological fad to prove your eliteness.

      It's almost like I feel I have gone "underground" to listen to the *real* podcasts.
      Seriously, how is iTunes preventing you from listening to podcasts? Seems like you're whinging purely because Apple have contributed to the adoption of "your" hobby into mainstream cluture, which you're reluctant to share with the unwashed masses.

    6. Re:Has to be said... by geezusfreeek · · Score: 1

      The point isn't that they explicitly support the independents, but that they don't hold any group higher than any other. The top 20 is unbiased, generated solely on statistics.

    7. Re:Has to be said... by HiThere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's all true...so far.

      The glory of the early days of the web was in development. It was easy to develop software, because there wasn't any competition. Now it's a bit more difficult. The danger is...centralized control.

      Perhaps you aren't considering, but centralized control, while it may make things "easier and slicker" creates vulnerabilities of the precise sort that the new was originally designed to avert. This is too significant a "good thing" to discard without much thought.

      Personally, I'd prefer less commercialization, because that has a tendency to lead to monopoly or oligarchy, and that degrades the field. I'm not against it for it's own sake, but for some of the expectable results.

      Centralized control is always a great evil. Perhaps it's sometimes needed to avoid greater evils...I've yet to see a convincing argument or case made that this is true. Those who could, instead argue from force, which causes me to doubt the validity of the more formal arguments.

      OTOH, centralized control is simple to design. If you don't care about the implicit dangers, and eventual design complexity...well, people tend to go that way. We're familiar with it. Like a horse running back into a burning barn.

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    8. Re:Has to be said... by SandSpider · · Score: 1

      This is all true, but has little bearing on the podcast market. The great thing about podcasting being an rss service is that, while you can make any given directory its own centralized service, it's trivial to make additional directories. Apple just happens to have theirs packaged nicely up with a program a lot of people use.

      However, with the new URI protocol for podcasting allowing you to easily subscribe to a podcasting feed using whichever client you want to default to, it makes it easier to have multiple directories for podcasting rather than harder.

      Now, if iTunes were "good enough" of a directory that most people would be unwilling to look elsewhere, and it didn't make it easy to use external directories to work with, then I would say there would be cause for concern. At this point, though, the other podcasting directories still exist, if you prefer their format, content, or interface, you can use them easily with or without using iTunes as well, and it all works nicely.

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    9. Re:Has to be said... by Mard · · Score: 1

      [quote]It's almost like I feel I have gone "underground"[/quote]

      Welcome to the internet; enjoy your stay :)

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    10. Re:Has to be said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahah, this is not a forum. Woops, haven't done that one before. How embarassing :p

  15. Podcasting or something else will do it by bgfay · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Big radio is a dinosaur.

    I have a radio in my car and one in my kitchen. Both are tuned to NPR and never go to any other station. The reason is two-part: One, I can't handle the advertisements, annoying personalities, and repetitive play of commercial radio, and two, I like NPR. Either way, I'll probably never listen to any of the mediocre programming elsewhere on my dial. I doubt I'm the only one.

    Satellite radio will be part of the change. My guess is that Podcasting will also be huge. It's the radio's version of the Internet with TiVo. Users decide what they want to listen and when, they do it mostly without commercials, and they get to comment directly to programmers of the media.

    Why would I want to listen to some schlock programmed by record company execs, peopled with screaming buffoons who can't stop laughing at toilet jokes, and peppered with advertisements for used cars?

    Big radio is dead.

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    1. Re:Podcasting or something else will do it by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Big radio is dead.

      But not in the world of talk radio. Care to explain why Clear Channel's Premiere Radio Networks are doing very profitably from their nationally-syndicated radio talk shows? Yes, a lot of people may disagree with the views of Rush Limbaugh, Jim Rome, Dr. Laura Schlessinger and George Noory/Art Bell/Ian Punett on Coast to Coast AM, but you can't deny the Premiere Radio shows have become enormous financial successes for everyone involved.

      Note that FM stations have taken to the Morning Zoo non-music format in a big way; these shows have very little emphasis on music and more emphasis on talk, especially if you listen to Howard Stern's show or Opie and Anthony's show on XM satellite radio.

      When you say Big radio is dead, that definitely applies to music broadcasting. Due to over-emphasis on market research, we're ending up with a too-narrow field of music we can hear over-air, a bad idea in lots of people's opinions.

    2. Re:Podcasting or something else will do it by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      I can only assume based on his comment and assumed musical tastes (NPR, etc.) that when he spoke of "big radio," talk radio probably didn't even occur to him. Just a theory.

      But anyway, you're correct, talk radio is huge and doesn't show any signs of weakness. Also, by nature it doesn't lend itself to recording and later playback: who wants to listen to Rush rail about last week's issues?

      I have this vague feeling that as commercial music radio has sickened in the past few years (decades perhaps, although I can't say I was paying attention for more than a few years) that it's driven more technologically literate and affluent listeners to iPods. internet radio, and satellite, while listeners less comfortable with new media tune in to their choice of NPR or talk radio, and keep the dials fixed.

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    3. Re:Podcasting or something else will do it by GFunk83 · · Score: 1

      "It's the radio's version of the Internet with TiVo."

      When did ClearChannel and Infinity Broadcasting start developing data infrastructure?

    4. Re:Podcasting or something else will do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both are tuned to NPR and never go to any other station. The reason is two-part: One, I can't handle the advertisements

      Funny, that's why I don't listen to NPR. Every few months, the station becomes one big giant ad, begging for money.

  16. professionalism? by droops · · Score: 1

    "Having said that though, a lot of indie podcasts, even the top ones, suffer from a distinct lack of professionalism. I don't mean just lack of a radio voice or something like that, I mean stuff like loooong intros and spending literally half the show talking about how you can contact the show. There's a real lack of understanding about how to keep people interested. A lot are good though, but to keep up with mainstream media, indicasts are going to have to minimize the boring stuff." now spending half of the show telling how to contact the show does suck, and when the host cant keep the ball rolling, its very anoying, but things like long intros or things that are not done on real radio is where the coolness is. some people do podcasts for the stats of the thing, some people do it because they just want to and do things the way that they want to. my show will never be anywhere near real radio, but on the other hand real radio will mever be anywhere near my show.

  17. A huge Podcaster not yet on iTunes, though. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

    Right now, perhaps one of the highest-visibility media companies heavily involved in the Podcasting idea is Clear Channel through its Premiere Radio Networks division.

    However, Premiere Radio won't put their stuff on iTunes, mostly because the current version of iTunes (Version 4.9) does not support subscription-based (e.g., you have to pay a monthly or yearly fee) Podcasting downloads. As a result, Premiere Radio Networks is forced to use its own customized software package. I expect this situation to change when iTunes does enable subscription-based Podcasting, probably with the next major version of iTunes.

    1. Re:A huge Podcaster not yet on iTunes, though. by jonwil · · Score: 1

      hmmm, a technology that was supposed to make it easier for the little guy to get heard and its being used by the biggest fish in the pond.

      How surprising (not)

  18. check out the trends for "podcasting" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Saw this on the trendwatcher podcasting trendwatch http://trendwatcher.koan.net/node/594 pretty solid popularity of this, and by watching this itll probably go into the future, check the grpahs

  19. Re:huh? by jonwil · · Score: 1

    If you had actually heard 90% of what was on FM these days you wouldnt be saying that... (some exceptions do exist though)

  20. What's the big deal? by jleq · · Score: 1

    I don't see what the huge deal about Podcasting is. People have been putting compressed audio files on the internet for years. Hell, I've been listening to 2600's "Off The Hook" in downloadable format for a LONG time now.

    Nonetheless, many of these indie podcasts lack the professionalism of a real radio show. If I want to hear a talk show, I'd like to hear something worth listening to... not a bunch of laughing 14 year old boys huddled around a microphone talking about political things they don't understand. If you want to hear something truly worth listening to, then try tuning into a smaller market radio station. They tend to be less strict in their programming choices than huge-market megacorporation stations.

    All in all, I'm not saying that Podcasting is bad. However, I'll laugh when all the podcasters rush out to spend $499 each on RE-20 mics and other equipment... program quality comes before audio quality.

    1. Re:What's the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      99.999999% of all podcasts are complete garbage and the rest aren't much better.

    2. Re:What's the big deal? by GFunk83 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "try tuning into a smaller market radio station. They tend to be less strict in their programming choices than huge-market megacorporation stations."

      The Internet is even less strict than that. There are so many different podcasts out there that you don't have to listen to "14 year old boys." Its the whole principle of "if you don't like it, change the channel."

      That being said, I agree with you that "program quality comes before audio quality," but just because a local broadcast radio station is what it is doesn't make it better [programming-wise] than a podcast (or group of podcasts). Don't forget what Strongbad thinks about college radio (I know, it's not the same as a "local station")

      College radio can pretty much be summed up in 5 words:
      Dead air. umm, dead air.

  21. The next wave of technology by concept10 · · Score: 0


    With the evolution of podcasting (which is nothing new, other than the buzzword and hype) and other formats like RSS and all of these other social networking sites for bookmarking, blogging and what have you.. I just wonder about what will be the next wave.

    This is what needs to happen: Someone needs to be implement wireless technology country wide the same as cell phones. Think of this.. iPod (or any other player) with wireless access, streaming whatever you want. Im talking about music, video, podcasts, whatever. Will replace satellite, radio and all of the rest of the redundant crap media in this age.

    Some of you guys might be more saavy than me and might be able to explain why this isnt happening yet..?

  22. The /. effect seen on the iTunes service by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So we have a /. article that highlights Skepticality. Probably the server hosting the article is being hammered as usual. But I also went to the iTunes Music Store and looked at the Top 20 Podcasts list. Sure enough, Skepticality is up to #2 for the day. The /. effect moves to new technology!

    1. Re:The /. effect seen on the iTunes service by SFEley · · Score: 1

      Actually, Skepticality has been in the top 5 (usually at #2 or #3) for a couple of weeks now. Not that Derek /.ing himself is likely to hurt, of course...

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    2. Re:The /. effect seen on the iTunes service by Absentminded-Artist · · Score: 1

      Skepticality is usually bouncing between #2 and #3. They have from 11,000 to 14,000 subscribers (according to what I've read by them on Podcast Alley), so /. hasn't pushed them to that #2 position like you think it has.

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  23. The key to "indie podcast" survival by Creosote · · Score: 2, Interesting
    In one word: quality.

    Of course there's an element of luck, too, as well as the '49er effect: that is, the ones that get there first stand a better chance of getting rich. But if you get there early and have a good product, you have a chance of attaining the critical mass that attracts not only listeners but collaborators. Slashdot as a tech website is an example. Among blogs, Daily Kos would be another. And I would put the Skepticality podcast in that category, potentially: it is well produced (decent recording, excellent editing and pacing, smart format), intelligent, has likable hosts, and has started attracting some well-known interviewees like James Randi. It's here to stay, I'd bet.

    The distinction between corporate and indie is less important, I think, than the question of how an excellent late-comer can crack the barrier of the existing hierarchy. (The one heartening thing is that firstcomers tend to drop off the top of the pyramid when people realize they're just not that good or interesting, witness Adam Curry's drop in the rankings.)

  24. Finesse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't see how cramming a bunch of duplicate elements into RSS because you're too lazy to parse the ones that are already there is "finesse".

  25. iTunes rankings by gozar · · Score: 3, Informative

    The rankings are based on how many new subscribers the show has received, not total subscribers for a show. That means established shows will probably have a larger listener base but might not be in the top 20.

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  26. i do not own an iPod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is there a support group somewhere for me?
    ii ialso ithink ithe iway iapple iputs ia "i" iin ifront iof ieverything iis ireally iannoying.

  27. Interface isn't even all that great yet by mgkimsal2 · · Score: 1

    The iTunes interface for searching and subscribing to podcasts isn't even all that great yet. Search for something, 'subscribe', then try to go 'back' to see the rest of your search results? Nope. At least, not as far as I've been able to work it out yet (and generally, if you don't see a way to do something in the first 30 seconds or so in an Apple interface, you just can't do it).

    The ipodder program, for as basic an interface as it is, is just as good. iTunes obviously has more recognition, but I'm waiting for Apple to do a second revision of this to have the podcast functionality a lot more useful. Automatically creating playlists from subscriptions as an option would be nice too. I thought I read some reason why they didn't do that, but frankly, giving people an option to get more advanced is usually a good thing - podcasting community is still mostly early adopters who like flexibility. I know they (Apple) can do much better than this.

    1. Re:Interface isn't even all that great yet by piecewise · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I don't disagree that Apple can ALWAYS do a better job with their talent -- I would also say that iPodder is hardly acceptable compared to iTunes. iPodder is a total abomination and extremely confusing for users. iTunes doesn't bring podcasting mainstream simply because of its numbers -- it does so because it lets people finally say, "Oh, THAT'S how this shit works!"

      Put an average person in front of iPodder (or any variation -- and I've used 'em) and they will either fall asleep or slit their wrists.

      Only a Linux community would say that iPodder is "just as good." :-)

      Furthermore, advanced features are great and they'll be coming down the line I'm sure -- but keep in mind this is a 1.0 release if you think about it -- and it's already cleared products that were out for well over a year. That's pretty damn good in my book.

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    2. Re:Interface isn't even all that great yet by Belgand · · Score: 1

      Copy URL. Paste URL into obvious address bar and click "add". Profit! erm... listen to the podcasts which will now download when available. Hell, it'll even automagically create iTunes playlists (although frankly it doesn't let me control how it does it and I don't care for the manner in which it does create them).

      iPodder is in no way hard to use. Personally I would say that iTunes and iPodder are about the same right now although iTunes admittedly has more built-in search whereas with iPodder you'll need to merely search the web or go to Podcast Alley.

    3. Re:Interface isn't even all that great yet by thelost · · Score: 1

      i tried to use ipodder before iTunes added podcasting to it's latest iteration and i have to agree with grand-father post, it's butt ugly and at the time i was using it not as intuitive as it could have been, however that was a couple of months ago, maybe it's changed since then. I find the iTunes interface pretty straightforward and easy to use. I don't use the iTunes store to search for podcasts, rather favouring podcast-alley and the like, with a little c/p I have all the streams I want. The only thing I would like to be able to do which I can't yet is bookmark certain points in a show, that would be tremendously useful!

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  28. Re:Am i the only one... yes by Paraplex · · Score: 2, Interesting

    success or failure for mass marketted stuff often comes down to its "hypability".

    give it a name that evokes mental links with other hyped up buzz words and you can sell it more readily...

    googles pods blogs.. they're all nice rounded names and they all allude to some culture/club (not culture club) that people feel they might want to be a part of.

    ipods are the pogo sticks or yoyo's of today... (hell.. probably for the very kids who grew up with them only to buy an ipod at age 30)

    We might as well just get used to all the baby talk (sure beats EEE.822b's or VNCs or whatever other names techies like to give really innovative technologies IMHO)

  29. Ob. Indy Support Link by Hyperhaplo · · Score: 0

    http://www.coolshite.net/

    They rank highly in http://www.podcastalley.com/ ... but it's not iTunes :)

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  30. I love the name "podcast" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple has brought the power to the people with iTunes and iPods -- Windows people and Mac people alike, all over the world. I love that the word "iPod" has become a common english word like "kleenex".

    The funniesst thing about the word "podcast" is that Apple did not come up with it - they found out that everyone was already using the word and ran with it. The reason it's called a "podcast" is simply that such a huge majority of people buying a portable music player went with iPod. Heck, even Dubya uses an iPod -- do Apple haters call the president a "gay Apple fanboy" now too? Somehow I suspect not...

  31. What's with all this aggression? by child_of_mercy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    OK, so who feels threatened by this format?

    Why the need for this denigration?

    Unlike broadcasters podcasters have to pay for every listener (yes, there is blog torrent but it does limit the audience)

    I live in a town (Canberra, Australia) which is off the map as far as music producers are concerned, yet nothing can get on the air if it hasn't come from the big studios.

    So we gather around a condensor mic once a week. We drink some beer, we talk some crap, and we get local musos to come in and play their stuff.

    We like how it sounds, quite a lot of audio snobs like how it sounds.

    A few hundred people around the world like it enough they send us postcards.

    Where's the harm?

    We belch, fart, spark up, talk in away that would get a broadcaster thrown off the air and we ask nothing of you at all. So where's all this agro coming from?

    To anticipate the next question the feed is here:

    http://the-riotact.com/?cat=39

    A summary of the content is here:

    http://loadedog.com/pod/pod.shtml

    (and quietly scope my karma and user number before accusing me of being some kind of shill)

    To return to the point, some podcasts will be crap, some (ok a very few) will be good. Much like blogs. But as no-one is forcing you to listen, or blasting it through the local spectrum, what'ss the problem exactly?

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    1. Re:What's with all this aggression? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Why the need for this denigration?

      The pod part of podcast is essentially an annoying commercial for Apple Computer embedded in everyday language.

  32. It's the reality... by tyroneking · · Score: 1

    ... that I like best about podcasts. The professionalism lauded by other posters is the worst way to go. In this context quality is ONLY about knowledgable and/or enthusiastic presenters (The Rock and Roll Geek Show, Linux Linc Tech Show, LUG Radio) who can share their passion with the listeners. Worrying about what sponsors, bosses, Adam Curry ;) and iTunes think about a podshow will kill it.
    I guess I have a different viewpoints for US readers because here in the UK the BBC dominates the radiowaves and their off-peak presenters have the kind of knowledge and enthusiasm I'm talking about (the peak time presenters are pretty plastic though).
    Can't mention reality without giving a shout out to the most real of radio presenters - John Peel (RIP).

  33. Blahcasting by Orp · · Score: 1, Interesting

    As others have stated "podcasting" is nothing but people putting audio files online. What a revolution! Remember how the WWW was going to change the world when everybody with a computer could become their own publishers for pennies and a vast wealth of creativity and quality would reshape the world of publishing etc. blah blah? What happened was there sure was a glut of "publishing" but 99% of it was pure crap.

    And so goes podcasting. Just because I can buy a $5 microphone and free-associate into an mp3 file and put it on my web page doesn't mean that I should, or that anyone should care.

    If you're looking for good radio, look to your local community radio station. I volunteered at one for most of the '90s and it was an incredible experience. Granted, you will occasionally hear some gawd-awful stuff on community radio - but it's more than mad up for by the amazing radio you'll hear from folks who have some sort of niche specialty - like 500,000 vinyl jazz albums in their record library. Or a passion for reporting news that goes unreported elsewhere. Or a talent for reading their own bizarre fiction at 1 AM.

    If you don't have a local community radio station, see if you can find streaming audio of one. Unfortunately the DMCA is especially toxic to community radio station - no more "New disc at nine" (can't play too many songs from one artist in an hour, etc.). So some stations will have to either have dead internet air during certain periods, or not stream at all, or just archive some shows.

    Finally I wish the "pod" would go away from podcasting. It's a terrible word. Worse than weblog.

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    1. Re:Blahcasting by GFunk83 · · Score: 1

      "If you don't have a local community radio station, see if you can find streaming audio of one." Or you could take that audio with you (i.e. away from the computer -- ::dodges rotten fruit::) by subscribing to a podcast, which can be downloaded automatically. The "pod" is not going away. I don't like it either (to the lay person, it implies that you need an iPod), but I've accepted that it's a sexy term that the non-techie culture can easily latch onto.

    2. Re:Blahcasting by RikF · · Score: 1

      Podcasting is a little different to just putting an audio file on-line. As with so many things, they aren't really used until they become automated. With the podcasts being downloaded and synced to your player automatically they suddenly take on a new usefulness. Instead of trawling through websites when I get up in the morning looking for files to download and then sync over, it happens during the night, or while I am cleaning my teeth etc. I grab the player and leave for work. As far as using a streaming service is concerned, this misses the point by a mile. In the same way that TiVO lets you watch what you want, when you want, podcasts allow you to listen any time. Most people don't want to be tied to their pc while the listen, they want to listen in the car/on the train on the way to work. They want to stop the program when they get there and carry on when they leave. Streaming cannot offer this. And for gods sake people, stop whining about the name. There are more important things to spend your time and energy being concerned about!

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    3. Re:Blahcasting by wolverine1999 · · Score: 1

      I remember when I put the first Maltese audio streaming online back in '97. It was a fantastic experience. Now I have two internet radios (mp3 streams) netcast via live365.com. One is for songs by Maltese artists and the other is for praise and worship songs.

  34. I don't know about all of you guys... by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 1

    ...But I can't wait until my favorite podcast is absorbed by a conglomerate so its format can be changed to "Jack"!

    In case you're not frmo the US or Canada, "Jack" is a radio station format that is sweeping the nation. Much like the "All 70's" and "All 80's" stations you heard in the 90's, "Jack" is sweeping across the nation, replacing successfuly formats on some of the largest stations in America (including WCBS/New York, WJMK/Chicago, and KCBS/Los Angeles...

    Essentially, the idea is a "format with attitude" but in many of the smaller markets implementing "Jack" means automating air personalities out of a job.

    So lets cross our fingers and hope... After all, there's nothing like having something cool, original, and special co-opted by greedy guys in suits!

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  35. Can we please stop calling these things 'ls'? by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 1

    They're directory file listings, when did Linux start supporting only ls? Why not call them riverlists, or zenlists?

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  36. Re:huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i dont live in north korea. i have full access to fm radio and listen to it daily. much of it stinks, much of it suits me just fine. fm tuners in a portable music player makes perfect sense to me and thats why i own a creative player instead of an ipod.

    sometimes i want something different than the music i own on its hard drive.
    sometimes i want weather.
    sometimes i want headline news.

    and so on...

  37. Re:huh? by SA+Stevens · · Score: 1

    The problem is, I have heard 90% of what is on FM these days. I first heard it in about 1981 and mistakenly thought it was new then. . .

    'Classic Rock' is the 'slave songs' of the modern era.

  38. Re:where did you get those name ideas from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "rivercast"? "zencast"? Are those names based on products that are copycats of an iPod or something? Do they work with iTunes?

    No, they are names based on superior products to the ubiquitous iPod; products that tend to appeal to people who actually care about the quality of sound coming out of their DACs, rather than the fashion statement using an iPod makes (the iconic white earbuds being but one solid piece of evidence to these statements). Most iRiver/Zen/non-iPod users care little for iTunes, as they know full well it is far from the only means to buy affordable music and really aren't interesting in being part of some corporate media feed anyway.

  39. 75 Minutes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The web's newest, best indie podcast.

  40. Podcasting and Audiobooks by Deton8 · · Score: 1

    Don't know about the rest of you, but I have a lot of dead time in my life -- waiting on my wife, waiting in traffic, waiting at airports and of course flying itself. I used to spend a lot of time assembling CD's and later mp3's to listen to. Lately, however, I listen to podcasts and audiobooks. For audiobooks there's nobody like Audible.Com as their subscriptions are very good value for money. For podcasts, I listen to Keith and the Girl if I'm in a belligerant mood, or the Screenwriters Podcast if I want to lean more about my hobby of screenwriting. The CNN podcast is pretty good, as are several ones put out by PBS and their affiliate stations. Podcasts are particularly good if you have a passionate interest in something narrow like fine wines, a particular religion, etc which the Clear Channel motherfuckers are unlikely to spend much time on. Oh, and i don't give a fuck if it's called podcasting or not, sorry to you moronic trolls who fret about such things.

    1. Re:Podcasting and Audiobooks by filenabber · · Score: 1
      Why not try a mixture of both - podiobooks

      I have listened to all of Earthcore and The Pocket and The Pendant - both were EXCELLENT Sci-Fi stories. P&P has finished so you can download the entire story from the author's website. Earthcore is down to the last chapter so you can download all of it til now from the author's website then grab the last chapter when it comes out. brian

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  41. Re:where did you get those name ideas from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other words, pure irrational bitterness.

  42. Re:huh? by Sanfamite · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While I would generally agree, I've found a single station that has redeemed FM in my eyes...90.5 WBER. It's a small rochester-native college run radio station that actually plays good music, and being private does not have to worry about commercials.

    You can visit their website and listen to their stream if it sounds interesting enough. (They mostly play Alternative from both mainstream and indie but take requests for a good deal more)

    But even with this station...FM makes me so terribly sad. I don't live in rochester for all of the year, and I can't get their signal from lower NY, so I have to make do with what is on. And what is played are commercials with music interspersed, annoying DJs, and rap/pop. Out of nearly 20mhz to choose from, I have a whole *one* station which I can tolerate, 94.3. In the past, 90.7 WFUV had a good set of programs, but they've shuffled their program playlist and no longer appeal to me. Because of this, I've ended up subscribing to XM, but only for my periods of break at home. Perhaps if it were less pricey, I'd consider it as a more regular deal with them.

    Is there any hope anymore? I suspect not. *sigh*

  43. Podcasting rules by Crixus · · Score: 1

    Podcasting is another of the field leveling technologies that the internet allows. Prior to my friend mentioning the concept of a Podcast to me in March, I hadn't heard of them. Now I'm amazed at the selection. Most of it is chaff, but there are some good ones out there.

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  44. Re:where did you get those name ideas from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do you remind of a rabit? An Apple Whoring Rabit?

  45. Re:where did you get those name ideas from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's easier for the average iPod junkie to think of it that way, so be it.

  46. I think that's the point by zogger · · Score: 1

    It's an automated download you can time shift and listen to later. Sort of like tivo for internet radio. Before you had to manually do all the steps yourself, now it's easy for even non technical people to get the content they want and play it on the gadget they want, when they want.

  47. A-P-P-L-E by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >What's with all this aggression?

    Simple.

    Some people have such a high hard one for Apple Computer that anything related sends them into a tirade.

    They hate the name becasue it is named after an Apple product.

  48. Bleh by locokamil · · Score: 1

    OMG OMG OMG OMG. Streaming fvsking audio! What a major innovation! Yeah, go ahead and mod this a troll... my karma's unshakeable.

  49. yes, they are copycat products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After Apple made the iPod, along came the iRiver -- it's basically a cheap knockoff without the scroll wheel or iTunes music store support. If you want to buy music online to listen to with your iRiver, you have to be a Windows user.

    The creative Zen is pretty much the same story - a copycat of the iPod Mini without a scroll wheel. At least they didn't call it the iZen.

    No scroll wheel == suckiness.

    1. Re:yes, they are copycat products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe Creative came out with a hard-drive based MP3 player long before apple did (think creative jukebox series). I'll admit that apple makes a solid product, but people believe they invented the damn thing. They bought a company that originally developed it last I heard, and it was DEFINTLY not the first hard-drive based MP3 player so they idea is not originally theres.

  50. Clueless by sabat · · Score: 1

    It's not streaming.

    The shows are inventive and markedly different from traditional radio, which streaming radio imitates.

    This isn't about technological innovation so much as it is creating a new killer app for internet-based media. And it's working.

    If you don't get it, it's because you're ignorant of it.

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  51. Re:Stop using the term INDIE by sabat · · Score: 1

    You have a better suggestion? Some word or phrase that nicely summarizes the we-don't-need-your-fucking-multi-national-corporat ion attitude?

    Tell us. We're dying to know what it is.

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  52. Not quite. by MooUK · · Score: 2, Insightful

    After Apple made the iPod, along came the iRiver -- it's basically a cheap knockoff without the scroll wheel or iTunes music store support. If you want to buy music online to listen to with your iRiver, you have to be a Windows user.

    Cheap? Nope, iRivers are more expensive than iPods by a large margin. Knockoff? No, iRivers aren't knockoffs because that implies low-quality. An iRiver is currently the top-of-the-range when it comes to MP3 players. And has a matching price.

    iRivers primarily play MP3 files. Since when was MP3 windows-only? They can also play Ogg Vorbis and WMA, of course.

    iTunes? Nah, I'll buy my music on CDs thanks. Once I've listened to it and decided whether it's worth buying, anyway. And with the accurate navigation buttons it has, I don't need to look at the player to see what I'm doing.

    And for me, one area where you cannot in any honesty say that an iPod is better than an iRiver: Recording. Once music's recorded on an iRiver, due to Apple's DRM you can't get it off directly.

    Other people's mileage may vary. But I don't believe anyone who's really looked into the issue can say that an iPod is any better than an iRiver - except price, and when you buy top-of-the-range goods you expect to pay for it.

    An iRiver is as much a copycat of an iPod as, say, any mobile phone is of another, simply by virtue of having the same purpose.

  53. What's the problem by slumberer · · Score: 1

    It amazes me how much people are complaining about the commercial shows and the itunes rating system.

    Surely as long you are given the choice to listen to what you want there isn't a problem. You can choose to listen to an unkown indie show or to a more professional show made by the mainstream media. You can choose to ignore the itunes rating system which (quite usefully in my opinion) lists all of the most popular shows based on recent downloads. There is nothing stopping you from searching through the massive catalogue of shows for some obsure show that you could quite possibly be the only person to have an interest in.

    Apple isn't stopping you from using any of the software or sources that exited before they integrated there implementation into itunes and they're not preventing any of the indie sources from posting there podcasts on itunes. They've just created another way of accessing podcasts that in my opinion is the easiest to use and the most polished out there. So get over it.

  54. way to avoid talking about the scroll wheel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No scroll wheel, no dice. It's like a hi-fi sound system with a joystick controlling the volume. Like a car with handlebars instead of a steering wheel.

    Nice straw man argument too:

    First post: "If you want to buy music online to listen to with your iRiver, you have to be a Windows user."

    Your retort: "iRivers primarily play MP3 files. Since when was MP3 windows-only?"

    LOL what a retard. I LOVE it.

  55. I LOVE straw man arguments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    original point: Zen and iRiver are iPod copycats

    your retort: Apple did not make the first hard-drive based MP3 player

    Such a subtle and tasty straw man argument. Yummy.

    Take a look at the crap Creative was making before the iPod and then after. It is plain as day that they copied the iPod.

  56. I knew Dubya was gay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That must be tough for him, surrounded by homophobes and all. Maybe that's why he's got such a big chip on his shoulder, and why Laura Bush looks like a Stepford wife all the time.

    At least he's got his iPod to keep him company.

  57. iTunes: Blessing and Curse by Absentminded-Artist · · Score: 1

    Visit PodcastAlley.com and you'll find a lot of disgruntled podcasters. iTunes4.9 created a caste system for those in the iTunes directory and those who were not. Being in iTunes doubled and tripled subscriber bases. Being left out of the directory meant obscurity. There's a lot of resentment out there.

    1) People on /. who don't own or like iPods seem resent the label "podcasts" for audio blogs. Get over it. Suggestions that podcasts be called irivercasts and zencasts are laughable. "pod" rhymes with "broad" and hence "podcast" instead of "broadcast" for a downloadable MP3 radio show. I thought that was obvious. In addition, the guys who put all the elements together owned iPods, namely Adam Curry - the guy who wanted to automate the loading of audio blogs into his iPod. He didn't coin the term "podcast" but he gave it notoriety. Why gripe about this?

    2) iTunes may be pushing commercial podcasts in a big way, but it's not all bad. While committees voted and bickered over 1-click subscribing over on ipodder-dev Apple went and implemented the pcast:// namespace. (other podcatchers were using feed://) Click on a feed like pcast://feed.feedburner.com/BitzofBrin and instant subscription. Apple also pushed podcasts into the mainstream which benefited all shows. Even shows not included in the iTMS podcast directory saw an increase of subscribers because new ears were using iTunes to tune in. A lot of the complaining has been from M$ zealots, people left out of the iTMS directory, and people who are opposed to all forms of commercialization. Most podcasters are happy about Apple wading into the podcast waters, however, by a large majority.

    3) Bugs. iTMS polls feeds too sluggishly. The listings in the iTMS are often behind by a day (though this doesn't affect subscriptions which tend to be very current because they poll the feed directly). Also, there isn't enough feedback for those who submit their podcasts. I know many podcasts in submission limbo. They are told that their podcast has already been submitted, but it's been six weeks that they've waited for inclusion. Meanwhile newer podcasts submit and get listed within one week. Apple gives podcasts in limbo the runaround known as form letter hell. Interface clumsiness abounds in the iTunes podcast implementation as well. Even subscribing requires one to re-enter the podcast directory over and over again for each podcast the user wants to subscribe to.

    4) AAC podcasts are so cool with their chapters and chapter art that they very well could replace MP3s as the default podcast format. Many podcasters offer dual MP3/M4A feeds but I know others that have opted for AAC M4As because the chapters appeal to them and the compression vs. quality is better. Interesting developments there.

    5) Apple brought bandwidth to the forefront of podcaster's minds overnight with the release of iTunes4.9. Many people simply weren't ready for popularity. Their servers smoked under the strain. This has had the added result of pushing Bit Torrent distribution support from being an interesting geeky add-on to a vital necessity.

    6) The commercialization of podcasts is not necessarily a bad thing as long as there are still unique voices. Unlike mainstream radio, there is room for indies to compete with the big boys (read the article). But there needs to be more growth in podcasting as a medium. The podcast I listed earlier is a good example. Bitz of Brin is a podcast by a 13 year old girl. She doesn't talk about sex or tech. She doesn't play electronica or alternative music. She wants to be a singer and features a cover of mainstream pop/country stars each podcast. Her podcast doesn't appeal to geeks interested in tech. Her music doesn't appeal to the thousands of alternative music fans turning to podcasts for their anti-*IA fix. Her main audience, frankly, isn't listening to podcasts. Yet her voice is unique and part of the whole underground podcast movement.

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  58. Re:iTunes: URL correction plus other links by Absentminded-Artist · · Score: 1

    I made an error in the url. It should be pcast://feeds.feedburner.com/BitzofBrin

    Other niche podcasts of interest are:
      5 Minutes with Wichita Rutherford (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa /viewPodcast?id=73331701 | http://wichitarutherford.libsyn.com/rss/
      Dave's Lounge (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa /viewPodcast?id=76244035 | feed://daveslounge.com/rss)
      Harry Podder (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa /viewPodcast?id=74265045 | pcast://feeds.feedburner.com/HarryPodder)
      Nashville that nobody knows (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa /viewPodcast?id=73330734)

    And quicktime vlogs work in iTunes4.9 as well. These two are excellent examples of vlogs:
      Josh Leo (pcast://feeds.feedburner.com/joshleo)
      Rocketboom (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa /viewPodcast?id=73329586)

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