Slashdot Mirror


Ideas For Your Next Tech Startup

prostoalex writes "Business 2.0 magazine enumerates tech ideas that venture capitalists are currently interested in, listing the amounts they have ready to invest." From the article:"A column that appeared on Business2.com the next day described the company Armstrong envisioned and his wish list of criteria. Those who thought they had the right stuff could send Armstrong a business plan. A few weeks later, Armstrong had a new gripe: He'd received more than 20 solid plans and couldn't decide which of three finalists he wanted to fund -- not just for $1 million, but for as much as $5 million. He has since winnowed the list down to two. That got us thinking. Why not ask dozens of VCs a tantalizing (but often unasked) question: What types of ideas would you fund tomorrow if the right pitch landed on your doorstep? After a few weeks of trolling Sand Hill Road and beyond, we got 11 leading venture firms to spill their most promising business ideas -- and to pony up $50 million in funding to the entrepreneurs who can pull them off. "

184 comments

  1. The Midnight Spelunker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Or I should say the Midnight Ass Spelunker. YOu wake up in the middle of the night and strapped to your backside is an automated assfucker. You have to put in your credit card information to get it to stop.

    1. Re:The Midnight Spelunker by deaddrunk · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Can't see that making much money in San Francisco

      --
      Does a Christian soccer team even need a goalkeeper?
    2. Re:The Midnight Spelunker by ShadyG · · Score: 1

      I think the IRS holds prior art on that one.

  2. Hmm by Stevyn · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm thinking mp3 player + SMS + ringtones + java

    wait, it needs something...

    XML!

    Alright, I got it, an mp3 player that doubles as a text messaging device. Instead of beeps, it plays ringtones you pick from your mp3 player. Java makes cool games possible. XML makes it seem cool to those who don't realize it just means humans can read the tags I will hide with DRM thus playacting the RIAA thinking people can't pirate ringtones.

    I think I'm on to something...

    1. Re:Hmm by B3ryllium · · Score: 2, Informative

      Three words:

      Mitac Mio A701.

      I want one. :)

      It also does GPS. :)

    2. Re:Hmm by bm_luethke · · Score: 1

      Actually, drop the XML and SMS and do a cell phone instead and you have pretty good idea. Don't know if it has been done or even if it could be legal, I hate my cell phone and try to know as little about them as possible (about the only technology I could say that about - I hate the expectation that I'm available 24/7) so maybe it's been done.

      Hey, make it iTunes compatable and share with an iPod and you really have a winner.

      Better get a patent quick though....

      --
      ------- Sorry about the spelling, I suffer from two problems. Dyslexia makes it difficult to spell well, lazy makes it
    3. Re:Hmm by Saven+Marek · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't trust b2 with any of these ideas.

      after dr atkins of the atkins diet died they claimed to have old photos of an interview taken just weeks before he died. As is known atkins died of extreme obesity weighing almost 300 pounds at the time of death

      yet b2 claimed in their pictures they had, showing a thin atkins, that these images were taken just weeks before a death.

      I wouldn't trust them as far as I could spit them. Don't be surprised if your ideas are stolen too. And maybe they'll post a retroactive 'interview' with you claiming to be before your death that shows they got the idea from you validly.

      liars and cheats

    4. Re:Hmm by mikael_j · · Score: 1
      If you're saying you want a cell phone that doubles as an mp3 player then I already have one of those, so it's not a new idea.. In fact, I noticed a few months ago that it seems to be one of those hot new features that everyone has to have in their new cell phone..

      /Mikael

      --
      Greylisting is to SMTP as NAT is to IPv4
  3. How ironic. by priestx · · Score: 3, Funny

    The last time we were talking about Tech Startups, people were complaining about Google picking up all the most potential ones. Then what do I see when I post? A Google ad. Of course there was a Google ad the last time we talked about this... but still..

    --
    "To be is to do." -Socrates
    "To do is to be." -Jean-Paul Sartre
    "Do-be-do-be-do." -Frank Sinatra
    1. Re:How ironic. by lightyear4 · · Score: 1

      Forget about what investment opportunities interest "everyone else." Consider, just for a moment, coming up with something innovative. The tech market isn't stagnant at the moment, its just refining prior accomplishments rather than forging ahead. Why not stir up the sauce?

    2. Re:How ironic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very true. I love the fact that Paul Graham posted links to two of the accepted startup ideas. One is a simply news aggregator, which has a horrible interface and is downright useless. The second is a site posting random questions, nicely packed between ads and requests to buy their merchandise. Both are utterly useless, poorly implemented, and lack creativity. But they focus on the current fad of community sites, so somehow they are innovative in Graham's opinion...

      Its hard to come up with a good idea, and even harder to find good people in order to implement it. I think we need more incubators to give people the confidence and networking ability to try.

  4. It's just because... by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 3, Insightful
    These guys need a place to put their money, and avoid paying taxes on it "while it's doing some work," again.

    "One more bubble, and we retire with half-a-billion."

    Tiresome. The ideas are as fruitless as before - many more of us will go broke working 75 hour weeks, while big investors walk off with a tax break, if not the rewards for effort.

    --
    "Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell
    1. Re:It's just because... by fireman+sam · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "many more of us will go broke working 75 hour weeks, while big investors walk off with a tax break, if not the rewards for effort."

      It is not the effort, it is the risk that is rewarded. "Nothing ventured, nothing gained."

      By working your 75 hours per week you are secure that you will receive a set amount of money. You have a low risk. VCs give their money to startups in the hope of receiving a high return, they have a high risk.

      If you want to take chances, there are investment houses that will take you money, pool it with others and then act on your behalf to invest your money based on the amount of risk you are prepared to take.

      --
      it is only after a long journey that you know the strength of the horse.
    2. Re:It's just because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      If you want to take chances, there are investment houses that will take you money, pool it with others and then act on your behalf to invest your money based on the amount of risk you are prepared to take.

      I run one of those investment houses. The annual prospectuses have just been mailed out, so I'm afraid there aren't any left at this time. However, if you send a money order or cashier's check and a self-addressed stamped envelope to the address listed below, you can get your money working in the high-risk, high-return world of venture capital.

      C.U. Seamy
      P.O. box 24601
      San Quentin, California 94964

    3. Re:It's just because... by ucblockhead · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly. I worked for a dotcom. I suspect the investors lost a substantial part of their investment. On the other hand, I got a good salary and free snacks. Sure, I'd have much rather we succeeded, but all I lost was hours worked and potential stock options.

      --
      The cake is a pie
    4. Re:It's just because... by Telastyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Low risk. Right. Perhaps you're looking at different startups than I am but standard employees often work those 75 hours a week for:

      - generally rock bottom salary.
      - the chance that even that will disappear on a moment's notice.
      - perhaps some stock options that are unlikely to ever be worth more than the bits they're taking up in some HR database
      - the possibility of having that startup's failure emblazened upon your resume for the rest of your days [more important for execs, but still]

      And that ignores all of the social risks taken by spending that much time at your job and not with your mate/kids/friends.

      Not to say that investors aren't risking a bit, but to steal a tidbit of wisdom from the poker world, "100 chips is a lot more valuable to a man with 100 chips than a man with a thousand."

    5. Re:It's just because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then get another job, moron.

    6. Re:It's just because... by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 4, Funny
      If you want to take chances, there are investment houses that will take you money, pool it with others and then act on your behalf to invest your money based on the amount of risk you are prepared to take.

      Yes, they're called casinos.

      --
      http://www.rootstrikers.org/
    7. Re:It's just because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the primary reason why startups try to obtain patents. After all, they take a shitload of time to do properly and the lawyers aren't cheap either.

      Investors want to know that their money won't go down the toilet if somebody else produces the same product.

      For example, a software startup with a great new unpatented product would be doomed to failure if a large player like Microsoft decided to create their own version and compete with them. With superior marketing and sales team, Microsoft's product won't even have to be as good in order to destroy the startup.

      Sadly, the Patent Reform Act of 2005 will add damage caps (even for fraud!) so that patents will no longer be a deterrant for large companies. Only the small companies will fear patents in the future because the large ones can afford to ignore them.

    8. Re:It's just because... by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Ever get ripped-off with "underwater" options? You know... The 10,000 you were "gifted" with at signing? Pay up the taxes!

      It's a pyramid scheme, like Employee Stock Purchase - which floats up the volume of trades for your company, using you as the captive audience!

      "I'm afraid you can't change your ESPP options until the next enrollment period, after the second quarter..."

      --
      "Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell
    9. Re:It's just because... by bbc · · Score: 1

      "Many more of us will go broke working 75 hour weeks, while big investors walk off with a tax break, if not the rewards for effort."

      If you don't like that, you're doing something wrong. I wonder what causes that: lack of skill? lack of desire? lack of funds?

    10. Re:It's just because... by js7a · · Score: 1

      Psst: Are you the reincarnation of J.C.?

    11. Re:It's just because... by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 1
      --
      "Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell
    12. Re:It's just because... by js7a · · Score: 1

      Well!

    13. Re:It's just because... by DisownedSky · · Score: 1

      Reading that article carefully makes me extremely skeptical. It seems that the Scotsman's only real sources are the lawyers for the convicted bomber. They had not spoken to the retired police officer or the retired CIA officer and have not even confirmed that they exist.

      --

      "The impossible often has a certain integrity that the merely improbable lacks" - Dirk Gently

  5. No one wants to pay me by Associate · · Score: 3, Funny

    to sit around playing video games and looking at pr0n all day. Maybe if I open source it somehow.

    --
    Someone hates these cans.
    1. Re:No one wants to pay me by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      to sit around playing video games and looking at pr0n all day. Maybe if I open source it somehow.

      Actually, you can come pretty close these days. All you have to do is commit some heanious murders, and then when caught, plea bargin that you will confess and tell the cops where all the boddies are barried if they give you a comfy cell with a desktop PC and access to pr0n and games.....and no roomates named Bubbah.

    2. Re:No one wants to pay me by Cutting_Crew · · Score: 2, Funny

      no way dude, i am trying to patent playing video games now.. dont step on my turf or i will have the DMCA after you!

    3. Re:No one wants to pay me by ImaLamer · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm forking your project

    4. Re:No one wants to pay me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      goatse open sourced pr0n years ago...

    5. Re:No one wants to pay me by lanced · · Score: 1, Funny

      Response 1:

      It has been open-sourced. You remember: "you show me yours and I'll show you mine."

      Response 2:

      Many people do make a great living in porn. But honestly, there is money to be made from people wanting to keep the porn closed-source. I typically use white envelopes, but people still call it blackmail. I never have figured out why.

    6. Re:No one wants to pay me by sharkey · · Score: 1

      You should apply at Nintendo.

      --

      --
      "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
  6. Yawn. The same old stuff repackaged.. by MrPerfekt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We want our cell phones to do everything and we want to market PCs and content to everybody on the planet. I think that's a decent summary of all the "ideas" there.

    Is it just me or did everything sound incredibly boring?

    --
    I just wasted your mod points! HA!
    1. Re:Yawn. The same old stuff repackaged.. by t35t0r · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Everything was boring except for the home patient monitoring system. As the VC says, interfacing the monitoring system to the hospital will be the difficult part because not only do the systems not exist, but neither does the network infrastructure.

      Most of the systems at hospitals are closed off. That is, an ECG or pulse oximeter may only be sending data directly to a monitoring station or hub where nurses are stationed 24/7, so it's a very small internal system.

      1) Use the current monitoring systems available at hospitals for the most part. 2) Build a back-end at the hospital to interface to their current monitoring station and to receive data from various locations from people's houses. 3) Profit!

    2. Re:Yawn. The same old stuff repackaged.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Exactly right. Most of the ventures mentioned here are based on fairly broad and unoriginal ideas which have already been oft discussed on sites like slashdot.

      The venture firms seem to be playing it pretty safe with their selection of ideas. They all seem to be relatively low risk (given the requirements for funding these guys list), low capital investment (all $10 million or less which is checkfeed to these guys), and high return (come on, $500 million return on an initial $10 million investment).

    3. Re:Yawn. The same old stuff repackaged.. by nicklott · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Venture Capitalists are people with money but no ideas. If they had money AND ideas they'd be doing it themselves.

      Asking VCs the specifics of what they want to invest in is pointless; they don't know. What they do (or should) know is a good idea when they see it.

    4. Re:Yawn. The same old stuff repackaged.. by Curmudgeonlyoldbloke · · Score: 1

      I suspect that "profit" is actually (4) - (3) is to get a reliable (as in so-reliable-you'd-bet-your-life-on-it) link between home and hospital.

    5. Re:Yawn. The same old stuff repackaged.. by bbc · · Score: 1

      "Is it just me or did everything sound incredibly boring?"

      I remember freelancing for a web design company five years ago, and they were looking in astonishment at the mobile phone market, and especially at the popularity of SMS. Nobody had predicted that. Nobody. SMS was like an afterthought put on mobile phones because it could be easily done. Nobody had imagined kids would run away with it.

      In poor countries, SMS is what the internet is for you, here, in the "first world".

      Yet, if you look at the technology surrounding mobile phones, that is a piss poor shroud. Win prizes, use your phone as a flashlight, download ringtones, that is basically the dent the commercial space has made in the world of mobile phones. Surely there is much more to offer to customers who have already indicated that they like mobile technology!

      So, if you think that cell phone technology is pretty boring, you probably lack imagination. Keep in mind that VCs are people who do not come up with ideas, but who evaluate the ideas that you come up with. The people in TFA merely indicated which direction they were looking at. Looking at the mobile market is certainly not a bad idea if you are a Venture Capitalist.

    6. Re:Yawn. The same old stuff repackaged.. by RyanGWU82 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's a mistake to think of a successful company being the product of (1) a concept and (2) some capital. There really are three parts: the idea, the capital, and the execution. The execution is probably the most important factor on whether a company will succeed or fail. Eric Sink wrote it best (most provocatively?) when he claimed that ideas are worthless in an essay last year.

      Look at Joel Spolsky (Joel on Software): he makes a bug tracker. Not a very novel idea. But he does it well, so his company is profitable and revenues are growing quickly. There are thousands of other companies out there doing the same thing. Proctor & Gamble doesn't sell anything particularly unique, they just do it well. And there are a hundred "low-cost" airlines out there, but JetBlue and Southwest are profitable because they've executed the idea correctly.

      Venture capitalists are people with money and who choose not to execute on any ideas directly. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't know many people that would truly want to put in the effort required to create a winning technology startup.

    7. Re:Yawn. The same old stuff repackaged.. by plugstar · · Score: 1

      You hit the nail on the head with this one... "Asking VCs the specifics of what they want to invest in is pointless; they don't know. What they do (or should) know is a good idea when they see it."

      --
      Andrew PlugStar.com
  7. heheeeeeeeee.... by unixbugs · · Score: 1, Funny
    WHAT HE WANTS: A startup that can create a suite of open-source applications for maintenance and upkeep of a company's IT backbone. It would give away the programs to corporate clients but charge for service and upkeep at a substantial discount off current rates.

    I have a bridge for sale...

    With the growing complexity and diversity of the internet and the communities that use it, how they interact, and nature of companies that provide the service, I sure am glad I never specialized in one particular field.

    Seriously though, reading that actually made me feel a little better. Alot of the people I know can solve a given problem in a number of ways, feverishly spouting ideas and solutions like there is not tomorrow. From IPPBX to Corporate Intranets, this thing is HUGE. Those of us who have been using Open Source as hobbyists and professionals alike can attest to the sheer diversity of the community. I just read that sourceforge hit 100,000 projects...

    Gluing them together is what I do for a living and it is only a matter of time before we come up with something very marketable. Maybe I'll give this guy a call and see if he will buy me a Porsche so I can fly around town from office to office consulting companies and interviewing the bottom half to see how my services can benefit their organization.

    Who am I kidding though, I didn't even finish high school :)

    I'll give you a hint though, it goes something like this:

    Hello, this is Apache 2 calling, press 1 if you are hung over, press 2 if you forgot to set your alarm, press 3 if you are on your way to work allready...

    Please leave a message after the tone to explain why you are late to work. Have a nice day!

    Wonderful world we live in... everyone at work hates me hahaha...

    --
    You are about to give someone a piece of your mind, something which you can ill afford...
  8. I got the best idea. by scruff323 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I got an idea that is sure to be a hit.

    A news web site, but not just any news site. One that has a witty address and is directed towards technology. It will be a kind of news for nerds, you know... stuff that matters. It is sure to be a hit!

    1. Re:I got the best idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Let's differentiate from the competitors by posting useless stories with grammar and spelling errors!

      Then, we can repeat stories to make it even better!

      And post dupes, too!

    2. Re:I got the best idea. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      A news web site, but not just any news site. One that has a witty address and is directed towards technology. It will be a kind of news for nerds, you know... stuff that matters. It is sure to be a hit!

      Naw. It would just attract a bunch of trolls who tell you what a shitard you are and who get moderated way down to oblivian and have their point tallies (lets call it "karma") ruined.

    3. Re:I got the best idea. by tjr · · Score: 2, Funny

      I, for one, would never read such a site. And I certainly would not participate in any user discussions about the news.

    4. Re:I got the best idea. by DrEldarion · · Score: 1

      No way man, that would NEVER work.

  9. Yoda says by Quixote · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... begin, the next dotcom bubble has.

    1. Re:Yoda says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Say that, Yoda did not. Respect verb tense, Yoda does. Return to school, you should.

    2. Re:Yoda says by Infinityis · · Score: 1

      Size of investment matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my checkbook, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the GPL, and a powerful ally it is. Stallman creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Generous beings are we, not this crude proprietary code. You must feel the GPL around you; here, between you, me, the processor, the hard drive, everywhere, yes. Even between the user and the venture capitalist.

    3. Re:Yoda says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Execute order 66!

    4. Re:Yoda says by Maqueo · · Score: 1

      That sounds like a really cool idea... now if we added a dupe- & spellchecker... I think your on to something.

  10. Weak! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I dunno. Not impressed. Maybe the banking stuff is OK but the "home monitoring" idea is complete BS. This guy is asking for a remote vital sign monitoring machine - which really ought to be easy to do - and would end up being pretty worthless.

    Disclaimer - I'm a physician. I can't really see a use for being able to know what a patient's vital signs are for someone "needing" to be in the hospital. In fact, according to recent insurance guidelines, if all you're doing is checking vital signs, you will not get paid for said hospitalization. Reminds me of a recent slashdot article about some bizzarre japanese medico-toilet which analyzed your various outputs and told your doctor about it.

    I sure don't want to here about that.

    Administering meds? IVs? Enemas? Who you gonna call?

    --
    Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
    1. Re:Weak! by shawnmchorse · · Score: 4, Funny

      Administering meds? IVs? Enemas? Who you gonna call?

      Crapbusters? *ducks and runs*

    2. Re:Weak! by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Reminds me of a recent slashdot article about some bizzarre japanese medico-toilet which analyzed your various outputs and told your doctor about it.

      I find canaries cheaper

    3. Re:Weak! by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yep, this is an old idea with a modern twist. Sort of, "I've fallen and I can't log on!"

      --
      http://www.rootstrikers.org/
    4. Re:Weak! by MickLinux · · Score: 1

      I think the guy was referring to home hospice care. The patient doesn't really need a hospital, they need a loving environment in which to die, and the home is often the best place.

      --
      Correct Horse Battery Staple: 72 bits of entropy. Enter "Correct H" into google. When it generates the phrase, that's
    5. Re:Weak! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All those years in medical school and you didn't learn the difference between here & hear ?

      Hmmmmmmmmm.....

    6. Re:Weak! by ckedge · · Score: 1

      .
      The banking idea was one of the stupidest ones there - and you need to have the right experience to know why.

      Do you have ANY IDEA how hard it is to convince big banks to trust (aka risk) their data/business with YOUR software? Not only that, but big banks have huge internal development groups and user groups which are direly threatened by any such proposal, which means immediately you have some hugely powerful enemies. And then finally there is the massive question of "ok, if our data is in your systems, and competitor bank B's data is in your systems, how do we know FOR SURE that they won't ever ever ever get a peek at our data?".

      And on and on and on. I already know of startups that have written huge back-office systems meant to replace the bank's own proprietary written software - instead of the bank spending 50 million over the next 5 years for upgrades/maintenance/redevelopment, they buy "commodity" software built by the startup that only costs $2 million per year. They're kicking and screaming trying to get banks to trust them and try out the software.

      HENCE the VC's 2nd "requirement" from you - "Second, it's important to persuade one or two major banks to partner with you to get the project moving".

      DUH motherfucker!! If I already have that, why the fuck do I need the VC's money? If I'm someone with connections like that, I probably already have money of my own.

      And I have no idea how the VC thinks he's going to pull it off with 10 developers. The amount of customization that banks will require is astounding.

      To some of the other commenters/posters - some of the ideas require reading through to understand what they are really asking for, for example the last idea, the convergence one. Yes that sets off your buzzword alarm, however read the last few sentences and notice what he's really asking for. Something that allows a SEAMLESS transition for VOIP/IM/TV/Web access between devices in your home. If you're chatting with whats-her-name on PC #1 and you want to go into the kitchen where your fridge has VOIP too, how do you transfer the call? etc etc. It's not a bad/hard requirement. Of course the thing that ruins his idea is - who the hell needs this any time soon? Who is he selling it to?

      The "SOCIAL NETWORKS MEET THE TOWN CRIER" idea is golden. I've been dying to see that happen. I live in Toronto, and do you know how hard it is to find LIVE up to the moment news here? I could see a pall of smoke on the horizon or notice that a section of the subway system has shut down, but there's NOTHING that will tell me wtf is going on, not unless it's big enough to force TV channels to break into programming, or worse force a national network to mention it - and I don't have TV at work anyways. Hell I don't have TV at home :) The local "news radio" and "cablepulse 24" do NOT have life feeds of news, they just feel like they do. CablePulse 24 just takes a thrice daily newscast and repeats it every 15 minutes. News radio might make a 15 second mention of something, but who the fuck wants to listen to radio?

      I want wiki-google-news for my town. And I want all 2 million of us to be entering the news and enhancing the stories. In realtime. From our phones/pda's. I want volunteer editors to be receiving "on the scene reports" and typing up segments. (Hell I could do that for 10 minutes on my lunchbreak) etc. etc. Course you'll need moderation/trust systems - to prevent crackpots from screwing with things. But it's a damn cool idea if enough people would contribute news/articles.

      I was actually more impressed (or rather not as unimpressed) by these VC ideas than I thought I would be.

      You are correct, VC's just have money. Thing is they don't *want* to take just 3 million and then "go it by themselves", because each of them has 60 million! They want to be involved in 20 different exciting 3 million dollar projects. And these people aren't idiots. They're technical people who made 60 million dollars, and now aren't coding themselves. They also learn a SHITLOAD as the years pass and they do their jobs.

      It's not the VC's lack of savy that causes 1/10 things to fail, it's the market dummy. Well, that and pure out and out competition.
      .

    7. Re:Weak! by Sebilrazen · · Score: 1

      I find it interesting that a physician wouldn't want to be able to monitor a patient without the hassle of actually meeting with the patient. Ideally I see the efficiency of a non-meeting system winning over the current visitation model. I'm not sure what insurance guidelines you are looking at but medicare and the other big providers just approved billing models for 'monitoring' patients. It was quite the event around the office.

      Disclaimer - I'm a computer programmer, working for a consulting firm for a big medical company on next-gen applications. Right now, the next-gen of physician care is gearing towards home-based monitoring of a patient, including but not limited to implanted devices, weight and blood pressure. All of the big players are going for systems that allow the consistent monitoring of a patient's health instead of a model where the patient actually has to get sick to come in.

      --
      "There are no facts, only interpretations." --Friedrich Nietzsche.
  11. Re:Ah, but what they didn't say was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Liar. It glowed.

  12. In Soviet Russia... by ktakki · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...Sand Hill Road trolls you!

    Seriously, though...

    This isn't a new idea. Twenty years ago, I was trying to raise funds to build a recording studio. A friend of mine, studying for his MBA at Harvard brought me a spiral-bound book that listed VC firms categorized by the fields that they were interested in (e.g., biotech, software, hardware, defense, etc.). All of them were way out of my league, but it made for interesting reading, in a "follow the money" sense.

    Ten years after that, when I was involved in a dot.com startup, we ended up pitching to some of the VC firms listed in that spiral-bound book (on Wall Street, not Sand Hill Road).

    From what I've gathered from the experiences of friends involved with vulture captial funding, it's a last resort, the only option if angel funding, friends and family, and lines of credit don't pan out.

    k.

    --
    "In spite of everything, I still believe that people are really good at heart." - Anne Frank
    1. Re:In Soviet Russia... by DogDude · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I disagree. I'm looking at VC now because I *want* to divest. I've beat my brains getting my business to stand on it's own, and now that it does, I actually want a fucking break. Let somebody else take at least one of the reins for a while. What you're talking about is tech stuff, which is a different world from regular venture capital. You can still have a tech idea, bad or no, and get people to throw money at you like you're a wishing well. Besides, how many tech companies really start with little or no funding? I've never seen a tech company where the owner wasn't sitting his fat, pasty ass in a Herman Miller chair.

      --
      I don't respond to AC's.
    2. Re:In Soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are utterly and entirely confused. Most folks don't have friends with the ability to invest $15M in a high risk investment. VC money is an aggregation of investors with deep pockets and a high risk tolerance. Good entrepreneurs know what to do with the money and connections.

      Most of Silicon Valley's big companies have VC money behind them: Google, Yahoo, Ebay, Cisco, etc. Many of the Valley's smaller companies have VC money as well.

      If all you're interested in starting is a small 5 person operation, by all means seek financing from your personal network. If you need a team of 25 engineers and 18 months to build a product, then you got to do the dog-and-pony shows on Sand Hill Rd.

    3. Re:In Soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, no, it's just that it's the last place you go. For a business that might need VC, you still likely start out with personal money, then friends and family money, then angel money. Then you start getting interesting enough to be on the VC radar.

      To start out being able to get VC money means that you're starting out big, and are fairly well connected, or that there is way too damn much VC capital floating around out there.

      As for loans, that's probably more appropriate for small businesses that will never have the growth rate or possible profitability to justify VC. It's the fast-burning, high risk, high reward start ups that need VC.

    4. Re:In Soviet Russia... by JollyFinn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah right there is a LOT to gain from that.
      Consider a first few programming class you took. Consider a average guy there. That's what you get when you try to build 25 person team plus all your time will go managing those twenty guys. However consider few nerd friends you got, and thats what you can get if you go for 5 person team. Next thing to consider is the communications thats more or less n style thing. There is only so many independent peaces you can split the application, and still those need to communicate with each other. In the end for us the 25 person team is a LOT worse solution than going for 5 person team.
      I think I'd go for 5 person team at beginning rather than VC:s just to have better productivity and higher code quality.

      --
      Emacs is good operating system, but it has one flaw: Its text editor could be better.
    5. Re:In Soviet Russia... by TERdON · · Score: 1

      only so many independent peaces you can split the application

      Yeah, people ARE gonna fight in a 25 person team! :)

      --
      I have a really elegant proof for Fermat's last theorem. If this sig was only a bit longer...
    6. Re:In Soviet Russia... by bbc · · Score: 1

      As with all loans, the rule is that you can only get it once you don't need it anymore. VCs don't like taking risks, so they rarely give money without wanting you first-born's first-borns to the tenth generation in return (or something with a similar emotional value).

      The only exception I can see is when VCs try and venture (pun intended) into markets that are unknown to them. Hence the Dot Com Bubble. If you want to know which markets these are, try and find start-ups where the owners are driving in Porsches.

      Having said that, the process of going through a VC application may be worthwhile in order for you to work out where you want to go and what you need to get there.

  13. Ideas arent the problem by elucido · · Score: 0

    We all have ideas, we just don't have people to send them to.

  14. In Soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (subject of article) (verb in present tense) YOU!

  15. Techie Consultant... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    A rather plain old boring techie consultant that I want to become in five years. I need that much time to save the money I need to start my practice and get the networking contacts I need to fish for business.

    Yup. Plain. Simple. Boring. Nothing to see here, move along. :P

  16. What was their approach? by loony · · Score: 1

    I think that while many of those business cases have a good idea, the real question is how to best sell your idea. After all the greatest idea in the world will get laughed at when if comes from a guy that looks like Urkel... So what did those 10 buisness cases have that made them great? How were they presented? I bet those cases aren't any better than a million others that failed just because they were not presented adequately.

    Peter.

  17. What is this, 1996? by Saint+Stephen · · Score: 0, Troll

    First we get a story about Graying Mainframe maintainers, now a Venture Capital story?

    What's next, Slashdot announcing a VA Linux IPO?

  18. Prediction by ucblockhead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    None of those ideas come to anything.

    The real moneymakers come out of nowhere. If it sounds like something you've heard of, but with maybe a tiny twist...look elsewhere.

    The really amusing thing is that the biggest success in recent times, Google, was simply "we want to do search engines just like everyone else. But we'll do it better".

    What makes real money isn't a hot new idea. It's doing something well. Quality. If I were a VC, that's what I'd be looking for. Competence and pragmatism.

    --
    The cake is a pie
    1. Re:Prediction by lightknight · · Score: 1

      Indeed.

      "The real moneymakers come out of nowhere. If it sounds like something you've heard of, but with maybe a tiny twist...look elsewhere."

      But if we look at the entire software industry, things tend to build on existing things, with little twists or quirks added in an attempt to get ahead of the competition. The whole "we stand on the shoulders of giants" mess. The iPod is an excellent example. There are other portable music players out there, many which came before the iPod, but Apple added a few twists, and suddenly it owned the music market.

      And I'd think that doing something new and doing it well would be the real moneymaker. By virtue of being the first in the market, you have a virtual monopoly, and by doing it well, you can maintain it.

      And what of innovations that are not pragmatic, but, if implemented, show incredible potential?

      In my case, I've been working on a new interface (think Project Looking Glass, with a "few twists") for over several years now (yes, before PLJ started). Patent applications have been filed, prior art has been checked, marketability verified. In conjunction with any OS, my interface could wipe the floor with the competition (IMHO). Coupled with Windows Vista, people might actually find a reason to upgrade.

      The biggest issue is this: to fully implement this technology, I would need a massive amount of capital. But in order to acquire said capital, I would have to prove to the VCs that the technology is pragmatic. You can't do that without a prototype, which requires capital (a lot). Which means you need to get some from VCs...Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

      And since the technology affects the general OS interface, the only way to make any real money (for the VCs and myself) would require developing the technology and selling out to someone like MS or IBM.

      The only thing keeping this ship alive right now are the patent applications (which interest VCs, and keep us from being screwed). But you understand the insanity. Stress is high, morale is at an all time low.

      I don't know where I'm going with this (been up for 20 hours working on the prototype (which is very difficult to write)), but I hope I've said soemthing important.

      I'm off to bed, and will respond to comments in the morning.

      G'nite

      --
      I am John Hurt.
    2. Re:Prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      I agree with your statement that doing something well is the best way to make real money.

      I have had grandiose ideas to build the next "killer app" for 25 years. I have over-engineered all sorts of wacky ideas that never turned into much. I wanted the 200% growth rate per month or whatever took Gates and Ellison to the top.

      Then I struck onto the formula that pays me a couple hundred thousand a year, is helping to fund well-paid jobs for people I have hired, and is growing at a 30% per year rate. Not rocket surgery, just a real simple formula that pays really well (from my perspective), and looks like it will work for some time.

      Pick a simple idea (almost brain-dead idea) that no one is doing very well, but that solves a specific business problem. Something that can be coded in 200 hours or less. Something with about 5000 - 50,000 prospective buyers (not hundreds of millions, not tens). Build your software product simple, but well. One feature really well.

      If the idea doesn't seem stupid to you, the smart geek, then it's not simple enough. It should be one of those "yawn, anyone can do this" idea. The key is, anyone can do it, no one IS doing it. If the idea doesn't seem stupidly simple, simplify it more.

      Practically give away the first one. Market the hell out of it. Aim for ten reference sites (at *give-away* prices), while you improve the product (based on client feedback).

      It's amazing when you share this process with your prospect, how open they are to the idea! "We are just getting into the business, and we are investing in market share, practically giving away the first few, just to get customer feedback and references". Everyone wants a freebie, and wants to somehow be part of a successful up-start.

      We charged "one dollar" to one client, "just so we can call you a customer". People will want to put it in "next year's budget" - we give it to them this year (for $1), under the "gentleman's agreement" that it will be budgeted next year, and purchased if it's any good. Allow your marketing person total freedom in pricing the first ten - incented only on how fast he can get ten "sold". The key is reference-able accounts.

      After ten, price it "to sell" initially (in the under $5000 price range, more like $2000 or $3000 annual fee - you know.. license + installation + annual maintenance). You can raise your prices later, when you have thousands of coder-hours into it. Explain that you're in it for the long haul and plan to expand the solution as others buy.

      Hire a good marketing person and build your base. Once you have ten people at give-away prices, the next ten are "easy" at $6K one-time or 3K annual prices. The next 50 are real easy.

      Soon you have 300+ customers at $3K+ annual. There's your first million (annual).

      Rinse, Repeat.

      No you won't be on the cover of Business Week anytime soon, but you'll get out of the "dream world" of building the next Google, and get into the fun world of making a few bucks, providing jobs for other people, and having fun when you want to. I love knowing that our team is making some good bucks. 25% of my small company (more than 10, less than 20 people) are making 6-figures per year, and they are allowing me to do fairly well, too. 6-figures in middle America isn't bad scratch. No, they're not Microsoft Millionaires, but they aren't complaining either.

      It worked for me. It's bullet #3 in the infamous formula:
      1. blah blah
      2. blah blah
      3. ???
      4. Profit!

      No genius here.. but I'd be glad to answer any publicly posted questions on this.

    3. Re:Prediction by bbc · · Score: 1

      "None of those ideas come to anything."

      The initial plan of the magazine is flawed. VCs should not come up with ideas, they should be evaluating ideas that others have come up with.

      But of course, asking VCs to point at the general direction they are looking at would have been even less useful. (And certainly not /.-worthy.)

    4. Re:Prediction by calebtucker · · Score: 1

      Are you hiring? :)

      --
      My sig can beat up your sig.
    5. Re:Prediction by thesandtiger · · Score: 1

      If by "doing something well" you mean "marketing" then I think you're on to something.

      The world is littered with the rotting corpses of great technology that got outmarketed by weaker products that had a clever spin on them.

      If I wanted to market something solely to engineers - yes, quality would be the key. But engineers make for a miniscule market.

      If I wanted to make *real* money - Microsoft-level money - I would not worry about quality except at the most basic level.

      Google is, in my opinion, a fluke. I can count on one hand the number of "quality" companies that are the biggest/most profitable in their fields. Contrast that with hundreds of mediocre but well sold companies that aren't the best - just the cheapest/"coolest"/easiest to do business with.

      It sucks, but that's the way things tend to have worked. We'd need a *massive* change in mindset before quality could be anything other than something everyone *claims* they want, but clearly don't actually care about.

      --
      Since I can't tell them apart, I treat all ACs as the same person.
    6. Re:Prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Same A/C as grandparent post here. Yes, we're hiring. We're looking for good Web app developers - specifically using ASP, VB Script, Microsoft technologies... Like I said, think "brain-dead". Yes, we make money off of Microsoft technologies!

      And yes, I am for real, a real Slashdotter - in the 5xx,xxx range.

    7. Re:Prediction by plugstar · · Score: 1

      well said... "What makes real money isn't a hot new idea. It's doing something well. Quality. If I were a VC, that's what I'd be looking for. Competence and pragmatism."

      --
      Andrew PlugStar.com
  19. Two Way Authentication... by Cutting_Crew · · Score: 2, Insightful

    why not use a SecurdID Tag/Code with your cell phone and get Kerberos version installed on the cell phones. this way it wouldnt be 100% fraudproof(but then again is anything in life guaranteed?).

    It mentioned SecureID but i wonder if they have heard of Kerberos We have this at work.. you type in your username and password. after the password you use a 4-digit pin number, which gives you a 6 digit key(sometimes referred to as a ticket) to type in at the prompt. If you are really serious about security you could set a time limit on the ticket, lets say 5 or 10 mins, then even if a hacker was trying to hi-jack your ticket it would take more than 5 or 10 mins..but after that the ticket would have expired.

    maybe i should email him and ask him about that, but i am sure they all know about this.

  20. Starting a Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    For competitive reasons, I don't want to post this with my real name, but this is a real post from a real guy in the SlashDot community. I've been here for a while (id in the 4x,xxx range).

    Anyways, I started a company by raising US $500,000 through friends and family. I used to be the CTO of an Internet company and decided to start my own company on the Internet but in a different field. I am a techie and an entrepreneur and definitely a geek. Let's put it this way, even today, I write the majority of the software (though I have other developers too).

    The best advice I can give is to watch your cash flow. I was personally horrified by the stories of $200,000 per month burn rates. I actually had a lot of personal wealth (from my last venture) but still ran out of my basement until I needed more space. The US $500,000 lasted us for 2.5 years (not 2.5 months like some companies) after which we raised another $250,000. But we actually had a viable business already with the $500,000 spend. We raised another $250 K to speed up the marketing that we had already proven to know that if we spent X we would get X times 2 back in less than a year. This was based on hard numbers.

    Anyways, I only gave away about 25% of the company to do it, and the company is probably worth about $20 million today and our earnings are growing faster each month.

    We are in the very competitive website builder arena but are one of the top sites in the field. Our focus has been on ease of use first and then secondly on feature set.

    Anyways, I'm mentioning this because I wanted to give those of you who want to start a business hope.

    The absolute worst thing you can do is get into the high-tech business without a model for making money. Pure research or cool ideas are fun but don't bring home the bacon. Remember your market is business people so focus your business plan on how the tech brings in profit. Now how cool the tech is and hence there ought to be profit.

    Good luck.

    1. Re:Starting a Company by Jeff+Molby · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the pep talk.

      You wouldn't want to re-invest any of those funds in another venture, would you? <G>

    2. Re:Starting a Company by Infinityis · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hmm...I can't tell if you're Larry Page or Sergey Brin and rounding WAY down, of if you're Paul Graham and rounding your /. id way down (bugbear = 448,726). My bet is Paul Graham...you gave yourself away by putting 8 parenthesis in one post.

    3. Re:Starting a Company by bgog · · Score: 1

      Good notes, thank you!

      I must say though, how can you be horrified by a $200,000 / month burn rate without qualifying it by how many employees, type of buisness etc?

      I ask because I know of a startup with a burn rate well over that. However they have 34 employees (the salaries alone can equal that) and they produce custom hardware so it costs them ~$150,000 just to tape-out 1 chip and put together a few prototypes.

      A $200k burn rate is huge if you are 5 people writing software but not so much for a larger startup with different types of costs.

    4. Re:Starting a Company by Jeff+Molby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think his point was along the lines of "there are very few startups that should have 34 employees before they're pulling in any revenue."

      A hardware startup may justify that kind of upfront effort, but I would think most software startups can get a couple versions of their product out in the field before needing to grow to 30+ employees.

    5. Re:Starting a Company by ZurichPrague · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the hope but you make it sound a bit easier than it is. (Getting half a million from friends and family isn't possible for many people.)

      And while the advice is sound, I'd like to add to it: forget the basement. We're in Prague, and it's not just nicer, it's much cheaper. Anyone can take $50,000 and a year off and go to, say, Kiev, hire a few top developers and make whatever they want. The rest is having the business chops and people to take it all the way home.

    6. Re:Starting a Company by bgog · · Score: 1

      Good point. Got it.

  21. They had that up there by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I'm thinking mp3 player + SMS + ringtones + java

    wait, it needs something...

    XML!


    I believe what you are asking for was covered under "convergence".

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  22. 75% Of these ideas are patented by kromozone · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have personally overseen the patenting of at least 75% of these ideas. Considering that's just within my own firm, and without a reviews of the prior art, any firms attempting to implement these concepts will probably be faced with serious legal obstacles.

    1. Re:75% Of these ideas are patented by bitfoo · · Score: 1

      There's more than one way to skin a cat...

    2. Re:75% Of these ideas are patented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have personally overseen the patenting of at least 75% of these ideas.

      Well, some people with money want to develop and market those ideas as products, so either 75% of those products are now or will be available, or our patent system discourages competition and damages a capitalistic system.

    3. Re:75% Of these ideas are patented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
      If you're joking, it's lame.

      If you're serious, go fuck yourself. Seriously. None of this is particularly innovative, or even un-obvious. If you're patenting it, you're abusing the system and are part of the problem.

    4. Re:75% Of these ideas are patented by ckedge · · Score: 1

      .
      A patent doesn't prevent anyone from implementing ideas, it just means they have to license it from you.

      Your customers/etc would be fucking idiots to use their own patents to crush the develompent of the field that you've got rights to.

      Or do you think you'll magically find one company that can do things right and make the field as big as it possibly can be? That's totally impossible, unless you let a few different implementers fight it out, no one will capture the right mix of features/usability/etc/etc that will get big.

      Hee hee, I had never thought of that before. Some of these leeches may be shooting themselves in the foot! Patenting something then being so overbearing and/or "MINE MINE MINE" as to squash the development of the market for the very thing they've got patented.

      BTW: Yeah, I'm with everyone else on the big huge FUCK YOU and those that hired you.

      If there are patents, where are the fucking implementations?
      .

    5. Re:75% Of these ideas are patented by kromozone · · Score: 1

      Some of them are still in early development, but I've seen at least two of those in very widespread use here in Korea. The cell-phone based purchase verification system is probably used for >50% of Internet purchases here.

    6. Re:75% Of these ideas are patented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100 years from now, when the former technological surpemacy of Western civilization is nothing but a memory, historians will put the blame on shit like this. (and rightly so)

  23. Burn Karma, Burn! by big_groo · · Score: 0
    Or I should say the Midnight Ass Spelunker. YOu wake up in the middle of the night and strapped to your backside is an automated assfucker. You have to put in your credit card information to get it to stop.

    Swipe the card!! lol! er...ouch.

  24. Risk my ass! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The venture capitalists will never ever face a poor day in their lives. These folks will never have to worry about their mortgages no matter how badly the market falls.


    The people taking risks are your overworked IT employees. Look at your boss the wrong way and you are out on the street. Have you business get bought out and while the owners are flying their golden parachutes, you are wondering where your next paycheck will come from.

    People don't become wealthy by taking risks. They become wealthy by figuring out ways to make lesser folks assume those risks instead.

    1. Re:Risk my ass! by utnow · · Score: 0

      lol... just because they have alot of money dosen't mean that losing millions feels good. your overworked employees are risking their time on the chance that they'll have more of it in the future (work really hard now in hopes that when things settle down they'll be earning more per hour and will be working fewer hours). Venture capitalists are risking their money in hopes that it will multiply. When you risk time, you generally stand to gain only more time (by working somewhere you're not going to suddenly become a millionare). When you risk money, the same is true; you will generaly gain money.

      To say that an investor isn't risking anything when they invest millions of dollars in a company that has a high chance of failing is really quite naive.

    2. Re:Risk my ass! by matjaz · · Score: 1

      Risk THIS!

      >The venture capitalists will never ever face a >poor day in their lives. These folks will never >have to worry about their mortgages no matter >how badly the market falls.

      That totally depends on how well they manage
      their risks. They can lose their shirt too.

      >The people taking risks are your overworked IT >employees. Look at your boss the wrong way and >you are out on the street. Have you business get >bought out and while the owners are flying their >golden parachutes, you are wondering where your >next paycheck will come from.

      That is because these people are mismanaging
      their risks. If you are unwilling to start your
      own business, you are at risk of somebody
      cutting your paycheck off on a moment's notice.
      Your choice.

      >People don't become wealthy by taking risks. >They become wealthy by figuring out ways to make >lesser folks assume those risks instead.

      And who exactly are the "lesser folks"? Persons
      unwilling to start their own business? Unwilling
      to take THAT risk? Oops... maybe then they
      are not taking the smart risks! But the silly
      ones!

      I guess you'll just have to stay in your
      job and continue complaining.....

    3. Re:Risk my ass! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it all comes down to pigs and chickens...

  25. good, now you know what not to develop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    now you know what not to develop.

    hordes of monkeys will be driven to please the suits, so thousands will be competing with each other to get funded.

    a few others will pursue their own ideas no matter what, and create the next disruptive forces that open up entirely new markets.

    granted, that doesn't make a good business model, but no doubt it creates real value.

  26. So the investors come up with the ideas now? by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I always thought it was up to a smart innovator to pitch an idea to the investor. It would just seem to me thse investors are just beggining to be scammed. I mean anyone can say,"Give me the $3 million dollars, I can do what you are asking for."

  27. Artificial Intelligence Needs Venture Funding by Mentifex · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Er, could anybuddy spare a few coins for Open Source Artificial Intelligence?

    You don't even need to fund an unknown AI startup. Just hire some hotshot programmers and Steal.This.Idea!

    It's all described in the scientific literature of the Association for Computing Machinery (ACM).
    Be the first on your block to launch the Hard Takeoff of a Technological Singularity.

    1. Re:Artificial Intelligence Needs Venture Funding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose I could send you a $50 check for 65% of the Corporation you'll register and create with my legal address as the functioning address, with commitment to buy up to 75% and minimum of 10% of the next round financing, with your commitment to hire my management team and submit up to 90% to fund stakeholders upon your IPO.

      Please send a prepaid envelope with your name clearly written.

    2. Re:Artificial Intelligence Needs Venture Funding by Elektroschock · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Good idea, but what business can be build up with projects like opencyc?

      http://opehncyc.sf.net/

      Who needs AI? Why do AI solutions not scale? Whenever AI people sell "usable stuff" it is exaggerated. Whenever AI people provide nice stuff you do not know what to do with it.

      where is the japanese 5th generation computer gone?

      Who uses AI expert systems?

      Why isn't there prolog installed on my machine?

      Where are the neuronal network processor chips?

      Why do search engines need no AI semantic net or AI language analysis.

      why is there no fulltext translation tool?

      Why are AI problems usually solved by non-AI methods?

    3. Re:Artificial Intelligence Needs Venture Funding by Tekgno · · Score: 1

      Simple, in order to create intelligence, we must first understand and be able to define what intelligence is.

    4. Re:Artificial Intelligence Needs Venture Funding by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      " we must first understand and be able to define what intelligence is."

      I don't think you will find the answer on slashdot. :)

      --
      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
  28. Money Where Your Mouth Is by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If there's more of a supply of bizplans than money to fund them, that means there's too much equity to go around. There's then really no excuse for VC not to be investing their money anymore - $TRILLIONS of it is just sitting there, rotting. The only reason they've got is that they still haven't learned how to tell Internet shit from shine-ola. In other words, still not enough brains to go around on the funder side of the table.

    --

    --
    make install -not war

    1. Re:Money Where Your Mouth Is by mollymoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All this money sitting around with nothing to do says to me that the present distribution of wealth is not doing the economy much good.

      --
      Chernobyl 'not a wildlife haven' - BBC News
    2. Re:Money Where Your Mouth Is by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      No no - the tax cuts have saved the economy! We can't have the money in the hands of the poor and middle class, they'd only spend it. The rich are the natural keepers of the money, because their plush banks are more comfortable resting places for the money, after its exhausting work during the 1990s. When it's recuperated enough, they'll let the lower classes play with it again.

      --

      --
      make install -not war

  29. Hospitals by Create+an+Account · · Score: 3, Insightful


    You'll play hell getting hospitals to adopt this. Imagine going to the Director and telling him:

    "We want to help your patients save money, by letting them buy less of your services."

    Sure, some hospitals are having a capacity problem, but it's way better to be overbooked than over-capacitied. This is especially bad when you consider the incredible fixed costs they have (think malpractice insurance for 75-150 doctors and a trauma center.)

  30. Wrong reply... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oops, meant as reply to above poster...

  31. Taaaa daaaaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Holy cr#p, and I thought these guys lived in a techo society!

    The pitch has the smell of a whole bunch of disorganized Missouri rednecks trying to pitch their fifty buck savings into the evening bingo.

    Get the f&*k real, throw the oil monkey out of DC, get a tax break for pooled VC and go for something techno serious, colonize Venus or organize Mars...

    Back office for Banks... f*&^k... Can't believe I am even reding this sh&^t.

    Zorg.

  32. Cell Phone Auth by ki85squared · · Score: 2, Interesting

    $5M Mobile ID for Credit Card Purchases
    WHAT HE WANTS: Fraudproof credit card authorization via cell phones and PDAs.

    Google could make a cool five million from this since they already use similar technology now when signing up for a Gmail account. (more info on their account creation page)

  33. Really dry by heroine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    These proposals sound really dry. It feels like while the rest of the world moved on to robots, spaceflight, and defense, Silicon Valley is still in these really tiny internet experiments from the 90's. Not only are the monetary amounts miniscule, the proposals seem to condense into more networking, more ecommerce, and more tiny parts of something that hang off of something big in Taiwan.

    Indian startups normally get $50 million but they seem to be doing more ambitious projects.

    1. Re:Really dry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It feels like while the rest of the world moved on to robots, spaceflight, and defense, Silicon Valley is still in these really tiny internet experiments from the 90's.

      Wow! This is the weirdest sentence I've read all day. You think the internet is not interesting from a business perspective anymore? You think a good idea for startups are robots and spaceflight? Robots and spaceflight were hot in the 50s. Maybe you're the one who got left behind?

      Look at what startups are actually making money. They're not building robots or spaceships, that's for sure.

  34. Those Ideas Suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Venture guys may have lots of money, but they're lousy at coming up with ideas for things that people need and will pay for.

    The number one tech problem that comes up again and again and again for anyone that uses a machine connected to the net is that it eventually gets taken down by worms, spam, or both. If I had five million bucks to trade for ownership of a technical product, it'd be a product that elegantly solves that problem. I'd make a hell of a lot more than five million back on it.

  35. Think about it by slickwillie · · Score: 3, Informative

    Do you really think these guys would give their really choice ideas for free?

    1. Re:Think about it by rossifer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do you really think these guys would give their really choice ideas for free?

      Yes. Everyone has a few great ideas floating around, but very few have what it takes to convert a good idea into a viable enterprise. Being able to lead people, make a plan, ignore the plan, and ultimately being willing to do what it takes to make a success of a good idea are a vanishingly rare set of skills.

      The ideas themselves are a dime a dozen.

      Regards,
      Ross

    2. Re:Think about it by bbc · · Score: 1

      "Think about it. Do you really think these guys would give their really choice ideas for free?"

      Obviously yes. Venture Capital is seed money. VCs make their money off of funding promising ideas in return for a large chunk of the vast profits.

      Good ideas are cheap. Anybody can sit down and come up with 20 money makers in a few minutes. It's the implementation that counts.

  36. finally by duplo · · Score: 5, Funny

    We have solved step3) ???

  37. How about TV prices ? by zymano · · Score: 1

    The cost of these projection TVs and plasma displays are a joke.

  38. OMFG11!! by modecx · · Score: 1

    It's a trap!

    --
    Constitutional rights may be respected, repealed, or modified; but they must never be ignored.
  39. Is this what venture capitalists?" by rush22 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems to me that they are really millionaire entrepeneurs looking for business proposals for THEIR idea.

  40. What the VCs want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is not maybe what the company owners want.

    Remember kids, if you're not working on something that you love, it won't work! Not sucessful or rich, just plain old work.

    Good techs, and revolutions, come from passion.

  41. SMS Netbanking Confirmation Exists by Nomad37 · · Score: 1

    Checking my online banking messages while reading the FTA, I was amused to note one of the ideas already being rolled out by my bank. The message follows:

    Date: 17/08/05 17:06
    Subject: SMS payment security registration invitation
    Account: No Account
    Reference: SB10143677
    Register now for SMS payment security - a new service that provides
    an extra security layer when you make Internet Banking Bill
    payments and Funds transfers to other people. Once registered, you
    will be sent a one-time only code via SMS to your mobile phone that
    you will need to enter in the payment confirmation screen to
    complete the payment.

    As part of our ongoing commitment to Internet Banking security,
    this service is free.

    To complete the registration you need:

    1. To read the terms and conditions below

    2. Reply to this message asking to register and

    3. Call us now on 1300 651 656 to register your mobile phone
    number. This is the mobile phone number that the one time only sms
    code will be sent to.

    When you complete steps 2 and 3, this will confirm your acceptance
    of the terms and conditions below.

    Please do not hesitate to contact us via this secure Messaging
    Service, or call on 1300 651 656 in Australia or Internationally on
    +61 3 8641 - 9886 between 8:00am - 9:00pm (EST) Monday to Friday
    and 9:00am - 6:00pm (EST) Saturday & Sunday.

    National Internet Banking Support Team

    Terms and conditions
    1. You agree to notify the National promptly of any change to the
    registered mobile number or your exclusive use of that number;
    2. You authorise the National to provide the registered mobile
    number and your payment amount to the telecommunication service
    provider used by the National to enable you to receive an SMS
    message with the payment amount and the authentication code
    generated by the National, for use by you within Internet Banking;
    and
    3. You agree the Terms and Conditions for Internet Banking
    (effective 7 February 2005) will change as follows:
    A new definition is added. "user authentication" means the
    authentication service made available by the National to a user
    when using the service to make certain payments.

    A new clause 18A is added. "18A [User authentication]. In the event
    the National receives an instruction from a user to make a BPAY
    Payment or payment to a third party account and that user has user
    authentication, the National will require the user provide the
    identifier generated by the National in accordance with user
    authentication. This requirement is in addition to any password or
    other information a user must give to the National when providing
    an instruction using the service.

    The user should contact National Internet Banking Support in the
    event the National does not accept any instruction using the user
    authentication identifier. Provision of this identifier does not
    alter your responsibility for the transaction.

    --
    Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will! - Antonio Gramsci.
  42. Sand Hill Road by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was not sure what Sand Hill Road was. If anyone else is wondering, here is the Wikipedia entry on it.

  43. VC Pimps by Home�rew · · Score: 1

    This sounds EXACTLY like my experience in the music business.

    Here is what the record companies (VC's) want:

    1. "Start up" a band with your own resources.
    2. "Start up" a fan base by playing out. (They will not be interested in you unless your fan base includes opening for the Rolling Stones or having CitiBank as a client.)
    3. Create your own hype so that the record company (VC) can no longer ignore you.
    4. "Sign" with the record company (VC) and watch them take all the credit for "incubating" your talent.

    BULLSHIT!

    By the time you have achieved the success that the VC's or record companies want you to achieve to be involved with you ... why would you ever want to be involved with them?!?

    --
    Pablo Piccaso was never called an asshole. Not like you.
  44. Ideas don't count for very much by Error27 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Lots of people have ideas. Imagine you're a VC and someone proposes an idea and you think it's pretty good. Obviously the first thing you are going to do is see who else is doing similar stuff to gauge the competition.

    If it really is a good idea then there are always going to be a couple other startups doing exactly the same thing. So now the question is should you fund the first guy or not. Or maybe you should fund the competition?

    What really counts is the team. Do they have what it takes to make the idea into a product and beat the competition? A great team can take any idea and adapt it into a profitable company.

  45. VC Idea by daybyter · · Score: 1

    Strange thing is, that we are working practically exactly on one of these ideas (PCs for senior citizens). Although we are working on a special Linux distro combined with a portal for our folks. But our first customers are not the seniors themselves, but the home they are living in. First PC is already running and we have preAlpha CDs for download.
    Unfortunately we only have a German version available, since we are located here. If somebody might be interested in a collab to bring this thing to the US, you might drop me a note to
    mail@andreas-rueckert.de

    Ciao,
    Andreas

    1. Re:VC Idea by El+Gordo+GJM · · Score: 0

      Dude, get the software localised for US English! It makes no sense not supporting it in your first version.

    2. Re:VC Idea by daybyter · · Score: 1

      I'm fully aware, that you are perfectly right.
      Problem is, that about 4 folks are working part-time on our project. We have to work on our distro (LiveCD + installer), the portal for our clients + do the training in the retirement homes.
      We are currently working in local home, were the folks are speaking German, so the localization is no priority to them.
      Good thing is, that the GUI is more or less a tailored KDE, so localization should not be an issue here. The website will be more work, though. But we are trying to get quite some content by third parties, so if we find some partners in the US, that problem might be solved, too.

  46. Not boring, just old. by jd · · Score: 1
    Want to move from one device to another and continue the activity? You'll want to have the application in Java, with support for application-level failover. The main router needs to either support connection failover or Mobile IP at the connection level, not the machine level.


    You then code the application such that, when you want to switch, it dumps a checkpoint of its current state and the new device pulls that in to continue where the old one left off. You then make sure the router redirects the virtual endpoint to the new physical endpoint. High Availability systems do all this all the time, though usually for servers rather than clients.


    Credit card validation, through a secondary mechanism? Just implement S/Key as an application on your cell phone, as that is a fairly solid challenge system that is widely understood. Either that, or have both a public and a private key on your phone. You get the encrypted transaction, keyed to your phone, which you then re-key to the bank.


    Ok, so that's 9 million dollars I'm owed so far. I expect the startups to cough up if they use these ideas and make a fortune. (Yeah, right. Like I'd ever see a cent for any of my ideas, even if they were used and were even credited as such. Especially when you start getting into the millions.)

    --
    It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
  47. Critique by pfafrich · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Oh dear, oh dear, if this is the best VC's can come up with, I pitty America. Most of these ideas will fail for the simple reason that they can't start small and build from there.
    • Mobile ID for Credit Card Purchases. Only workable if it can gain sizable market share, if it gains 5% share its useless. Not suitable for a startup could work for the big players with the resources and contacts to make a global standard.
    • Back Office Bank Syndicate. So your really expecting all the banks to throw away all their code. Persuade banks to turn over their proprietary code to a team of software buffs who will repackage and debug the apps and then sell them as a subscription service to participating members. Is this guy serious?
    • The Ultimate Online Upsell. $5 Million for Software to handle user recomendations to basically do what Amazon does with market cap of $x billion! I guess some companies would by this, but only if it fits with the existing software they have got. I suspect this stuff is already in the included in most packages in the field. Patents anyone?
    • Subscription PC's for Seniors. Could work I know my Mum would just want a PC which works and does the basic stuff. Does not need VC funding as your local PC shop could offer such a service.
    • AN EVEN SMARTER SMARTPHONE. a software platform for cell phones that allows consumers to make purchases or open doors by waving their phones in front of tiny infrared or RFID readers. Security nightmare, steal the phone make the purchace. Breaks fundamental properties of security. Another idea which only works with golbal standards.
    • OPEN-SOURCE IT CENTER. A startup that can create a suite of open-source applications for maintenance and upkeep of a company's IT backbone. It would give away the programs to corporate clients but charge for service and upkeep at a substantial discount off current rates. Redhat? I can see a market for this sort of thing.
    • SOCIAL NETWORKS MEET THE TOWN CRIER. There are a thousand and one site already doing this.
    • CUSTOMER SERVICE OVER IP. Security, basically sending your personel details.
    • Board Now

    The Open Source IT centre did seem useful

    --
    There are four sorts of people in the world: fools, lunatics, idiots and morons. - Umberto Eco, Foucaut's pendulum.
    1. Re:Critique by hacker · · Score: 1
      The Open Source IT centre did seem useful...

      Myself and about 230 of my closest friends and developers used to work there. It was called "Linuxcare", maybe you've heard of it. You might recall we were called "The 1-800 Number for Linux", and we were.. not only for users, but for hundreds of big players in the market (IBM, HP, Intel, SGI, 3Com, etc.). We had quite a nice portfolio of custom applications for these companies, as well as supporting most of the Linux distributions and applications that were available at the time.. which the clueless project managers and business managers shortly killed off to save their jobs instead of ours.

      (Note: They're now a 100% proprietary software company, rebranded after the 7 rounds of layoffs and 5 CEOs liquidated any intelligence they had left).

    2. Re:Critique by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Back Office Bank Syndicate. So your really expecting all the banks to throw away all their code. Persuade banks to turn over their proprietary code to a team of software buffs who will repackage and debug the apps and then sell them as a subscription service to participating members. Is this guy serious?

      I loved this one. I've personally seen a couple of failed attempts to get banks to throw out their proven in-house software and rent unproven software off some startup. But to get the banks to give you their software so you can rent it back to them, now that is a VC's wet dream gone too far.

    3. Re:Critique by FreshFunk510 · · Score: 1

      Reading the ideas and the brief synopsis about them, I find myself in agreement with you. That list was very, very boring.

      --


      "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
  48. hey its the mad Mentifex guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
  49. Not as worthless as you think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having a bed/place in a hospital can be mighty expensive these days. In sweden most hospitals are governed and funded by the taxpayers/state (there are a few privatised hospitals though) and there is not enough hospital beds to go around.

    Many elderly that are fragile - but not sick enough to be in a hospital - could stay home with one of these devices. Considering that there are many elderly that want to stay at their own home as long as possible, everybody wins.

    There are already some solutions that work; My grandmother in law hates hospitals and want to live at her own place and to be independent. She's 85. She has got an emergency button linked to the hospital in case she would fall and wouldn't be able to get up. (sometimes neighbours and family is on vacation and can not be there for an emergency) She's used it twice now.
    The vital signs monitoring equipment could be a complement.

  50. Business 2.0 by Ulrich+Hobelmann · · Score: 1

    One of the things that I miss from the USA (there being quite many). I wrote them several times, but it seems that they don't want to provide subscriptions to Europeans.

    Weird, since their FAQ contains a point on how to access web content if you're European.

  51. Smart VC's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone here knows that the ideas put forward are stupid.
    There is no question that most, if not all, of the ideas are not worth the ASCII they are typed in.

    The VC's however got free advertising that they have money to fund good startups.

    The issue today is not getting money, there is way too much of it around, the issue today is that the VC's can't find good people to spend the money on.

    I've been through several startups, all promising. The VC's were assholes, frankly.

    VC's need to get smart, it's like an inverted bubble where there is too much money sitting around doing nothing.

    Over the next couple few years (it started 5 years ago) VC's will get smarter, much smarter. Today they are not smart enough, they have tons of money lying around and there are tons of techy ideas that won't take VC money because it's too expensive.

    The two will meet soon, and I'll be waiting.

  52. Housing by zogger · · Score: 1

    Housing is about to take a major hit, and it will affect all sorts of ways that money is used in the economy. That and derivatives. Double whammy bad mojo. Greenspan just re-warned about the housing bubble, and it barely made the news. When 1/3 of the homeowners in the US realise that they are sitting on a massive debt that is a lot more than what their equity will ever be, there will be severe ramifications for "new shiny" stuff in the market place, as necessities will take precedence. People are going to want to reduce expenses in order to keep trying to payoff what they already owe.

    No idea* how that would translate into "investment' ideas (besides buying up mortgages after the crash at discount), but it might be hard for consumers to provide the retail cash ultimately needed to purchase all this new stuff, when what has already been purchased on credit needs to be paid.

    There's a reason they changed the bankruptcy laws. The law, IIRC, goes into effect in October.

    *cheaper alternative energy,local produced food, and affordable transportation come to mind though. I think all the shiny electronic and internet toy stuff will take a hit. Just a guess though.

  53. Where's common sence? by 3seas · · Score: 1

    VC's don't come up with ideas, but rather decide to invest upon your ideas or not.

    Which explains why I and some others here are not impressed with the ideas list.

    Apparently the search for a "what do you want to invest in" response lead to some VC's realizing the opportunity to mention themselves.

    Simple logic:

    I'm a VC and I have this idea.... Hmmm, why don't I just invest in myself and hire those who can impliment my ideas???

    Duh!

  54. Spelling error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    "The best advice I can give is to watch your cash flow. I was personally horrified by the stories of $200,000 per month burn rates. I actually had a lot of personal wealth (from my last venture) but still ran out of my basement until I needed more space."

    The word is spelled "mom's".

  55. Why innovation doesn't start with VCs by cpu_fusion · · Score: 1
    Reading through these "great ideas", I'm reminded why true innovation usually comes from the little guy who later approaches VC, not the other way around. Senior citizens need PCs to rent monthly, folks! And the world needs another recommendation engine.

    When people are quoting "Vignette" as one of their success stories, I have to chortle. What a piece of crap that software is, and clearly the market agrees.

    I can't wait for the day when the patent system switches to "first to file" and we're practically forced ot chase VC before we invent anything. "Gosh that idea you have sounds great, but I'm really looking to invest in a souped up Craigslist."

    These business ideas need more cowbell.

  56. Not these investors by MickLinux · · Score: 1

    These investors aren't going to walk away with a tax break and rewards.

    I took a look at these ideas, and I classify them into one of several groups.

    (Class) Convergence in a diverse market.
    (Why it won't work) Convergence will happen, based upon unifying forces within the technology. The problem here, though, is that those unifying forces will come from ISO efforts of the current sales leaders. In other words, there is no room for a new startup taking the lead.

    Now, you can *take part* in unifying things, by sponsoring symposiums to just that purpose. However, there are already a number of companies that regularly do that as their main business effort, and can be expected to be working on that at any given moment.

    (Class) Rehashing a badly working business model.
    (Why it won't work) Typically, these investors think that the problem is a first order problem: people don't like to use it. On the contrary, usually the problems are second- or third-order. People don't have money, or the business environment is dangerous, or customer service can be expected to not come through.

    Therefore, these businesses can be expected to come through with a flashy, new, hyped product -- and still get only a tiny fraction of what current sales leaders get.

    (Class) The already-existing, and working business copy.
    (Why it won't work) Actually, this will -- but will have only limited returns. As such, it probably will be an okay investment for the investor (though he'd do better to buy stock in an existing company) -- but a terrible investment for the person who wants to spend the labor, with one exception. If you're a college kid and can pull it off, specify that the contract includes funding for later degree completion, based upon number of years worked. If you are out after a year, you get a year's tuition/board. If you are out after two years, you get two years' tuition/board. That way, you can work triple time initially, and then hand the company over to a more regular C/O just about the time the "investors" start to bleed the company and put their own friends in.

    --
    Correct Horse Battery Staple: 72 bits of entropy. Enter "Correct H" into google. When it generates the phrase, that's
    1. Re:Not these investors by bbc · · Score: 1

      Heh, I also saw three classes, but different ones:

      1) Buzzword bingo. The clearest example: "Software that permits any Net-connected gadget in your home to access and display services like VOIP, instant messaging, and streaming television." This reads like the VC in question hasn't spent a single thought on what s/he is actually looking at.

      2) Might as well fund it yourself. For instance, VCs looking for somebody building an application from a pretty much concrete idea. Best example: "I'd want to see the technology working, with a few customers onboard." Sure Greg, but if I had a working technology, why would I need you?

      3) Other. The serious directions.

  57. Re:In Soviet Russia... Bzzzp, you got it wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it is supposed to be: (Direct object)(verb)You

  58. eh by glazou · · Score: 1

    VCs should do VC work and let engineers and inventors do their job.

  59. Nice Bedside Manner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, a physician who's not interested in a patient's vital signs. I'm shocked.

  60. Uhh, they have that already by argoff · · Score: 1


    In fact, both the IRS and the Fed are in heavy competition for your business:)

  61. The only benefit I could see from the article by cecil36 · · Score: 1

    is to give students in MBA school an assignment to work on prior to graduation. Their grade would be based on how well their business plan is written.

  62. $500,000 from family and friends? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sorry, I must have the wrong friends. That and I should have chosen my parents better.

  63. Yeah, but that's a HUGE opportunity by argoff · · Score: 1

    Housing is about to take a major hit, and it will affect all sorts of ways that money is used in the economy. That and derivatives. Double whammy bad mojo.

    The problem isn't just the housing and derivitaves which will cause the entire economy to collapse. The problem is that they will take out every financial institution in the USA with them, who will hyperinflate the dollar out of existence in their last dying gasp!

    The US will have no choice but to move to a gold economy or die. If I were VC's I would be getting into the gold and precious metals transaction business like it's doomsday, because it is! And for their sake, I hope they have a lot of that venture money of theirs stored in precious metals, commodities, and their resprctive unhedged mining companies.

    God help us with derivatives and housing, all hell is going to break loose before the end of the year. By christmas, people will be saying WTF?, by feburary, people will be in outright panic!

    1. Re:Yeah, but that's a HUGE opportunity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At first I thought that maybe you were the bigger idiot when comparing you to the parent. But then you said something that DOES make sense. Gold is probably a good bet at this stage. You do realize that the only people that will be hurt by the housing bubble are the investors who are buying houses NOW right? I mean I bought my house three years ago. It is up about 40%. So yeah I can stand a pretty good size hit. Oh and guess what else. If housing values plummet I won't sell. I need a place to live. Housing is not like stocks. Not at all. Yeah There is a bubble, yeah you will see house values come down a little in some places, but not in most. You will just see housing values stagnate. Why? because who in the ir right mind is gonna sell a house at a loss? Duh!

      Investors and speculators are the ones driving this bubble. They will be the ones hurt, and it will only be those who are buying houses counting on an increase in value. People like myself who buy them as rentals will be little effected by this burst you are so scared of...and the USA dying it's last gasp..what an idiot. This country will surely go through many hard times in the coming years, as it has in the past, but it will live on. We didn't become the worlds largest economic superpower by listening to morons like you.

      Oh how fitting. the little key word I have to type in to send this message is RETARD. LOL

      Oh that truely made my day.

    2. Re:Yeah, but that's a HUGE opportunity by pagej97 · · Score: 1

      We didn't become the worlds largest economic superpower by listening to morons like you. No, of course we didn't. We became the world's largest economic superpower by hyperinflating everyone's salaries, then firing everyone and moving the jobs overseas.

    3. Re:Yeah, but that's a HUGE opportunity by argoff · · Score: 1

      Actually, the opposite is true, we became the worlds largest super power with honest money, money that was backed by presious metals and not "the good faith of the federal government". The further we have moved away from that, the more we have weakened ourselves.

  64. I call bullshit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Show me a VC facing forclosure of their home, repossession of their car, or loss of their medical coverage because an idea of their fails. Risk means the chance that you will actually suffer an uncomfortable and disruptive drop in your standard of living. Risk is not taking a loss on investments that you can just write off on your taxes.


    Employees of failed ventures face these real life risks. VCs dont.

    Investors lose paper assets. Employees lose their livelihood. Understand the difference?

    1. Re:I call bullshit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhm, if all their ventures fail, it becomes more than a loss on a tax form. That's why they have to take smart risks so that some of them are successful.

  65. well.. by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 1

    how about a domain name registrar that takes all profits and sends them to charities like UNICEF and the EFF, instead of funding superbowl advertisements?

    http://paycan.net/

    You have to pay someone for your domain name registration. It might as well be someone who donates all proceeds instead of superbowl ads sporting big-breasted women appearing before a mock congress.

    For now I'm all by myself, and just a reseller, but the goal is to have a board, complete transparency, and full ICANN accreditation. I'm working on the $10K funding for the last part, I need some board members and some help. So for now, domain registration is $8.99, giving net margin of $2.00 from the upstream reseller for charity. With ICANN accreditation, plan is for $5.25 domain names, leaving $5.00 margin for charity.

    --
    MORTAR COMBAT!
  66. I was annoyed by the article, but it motivated me by MarkWatson · · Score: 1

    My wife and I have a business plan for two public service web portals (yeah, with advertisements...): a knowledge intensive recipe/health site (which we already have an early beta for, but I leave out our URL to avoid slashdoting :-)) and a public bulletin board searched by zip code/location.

    I subscribe to Business 2.0 (usually has interesting material). I was dissapointed to see our idea in slightly different form in the article - now I will have 10,000 competitors. I did grab a great domain name (http://ourevents.us/ but it will be a couple of months before we have a beta system in place.

    I think that with a few exceptions the days of making a lot of money off of web portals is gone. However, by combining personal interests (e.g., both my wife and I love to cook) with low cost deployments of web portals, I think that it is a good business for motivated individuals. The important thing is finding a need and filling it.

    I think that the idea behind http://del.icio.us/ is brilliant. I have heard that one guy did this: came up with the idea, implemented it, and I notice fairly frequent enhancements. Very cool.

  67. I have an even better best idea by FLOOBYDUST · · Score: 1
    A news source.....


    Witty name.....


    "known authors"....


    Stuff that matters


    Nerdy readers who need a date


    Lots of duplicate posts just days apart


    and......,


    copies of do it yourself case mods and hacks posted elsewhere.....


    yes Ive got it...


    PLease forward the check...

  68. Lack of imagination by nektra · · Score: 1

    I don't see any creative idea in the list...

  69. No... go to where the money is by Samrobb · · Score: 1
    The only reason they've got is that they still haven't learned how to tell Internet shit from shine-ola. In other words, still not enough brains to go around on the funder side of the table.

    So... if the VCs have trillions of dollars, why in the name of Pete would you beat yourself up trying to come up with "the idea" that will grudgingly seperate them from a paltry few million? Go to where the money is! Put together a consulting firm that specializes in helping VCs get a better return on their investment - doing technical reviews, working with founders to assist in recuiting and development, etc. Siphon off a few million of that VC funding directly, instead of having to beg for it.

    --
    "Great men are not always wise: neither do the aged understand judgement." Job 32:9
    1. Re:No... go to where the money is by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      That's basically good advice. Always go where the money is, and figure out how to give the moneyholder what they want. Asked why he robbed banks, Willie Sutton said "because that's where the money is" (he actually didn't say that).

      But, having made some money (especially in 2000 and 2001) doing tech analysis for VCs, that's not nearly as good a return on my time invested as selling them equity on a company I start. That tech analysis you're talking about nets maybe 1-3% of a deal, if it goes through; maybe 1 in 5 of the techworthy ones go through. You can work on maybe 10-15 deals a year, during which time you could start an investmentworthy company instead. The analyst therefore gets maybe 2-6% of the total equity that year, while the entrepreneur gets to keep at least that much (usually at least 2-3x that), and bought out of most of the rest. Of course there's more risk in starting the company, and harder to sell the equity, but the reward is many times higher.

      If only the moneyholders will actually use their money, instead of keeping it tied up as they do these days. In that scenario, maybe it's better follow Willie Sutton's example literally.

      --

      --
      make install -not war

  70. Dumb venture capitalists by RKBA · · Score: 1

    With ideas as stupid as their's, I wonder how these venture capitalists ever got rich in the first place?

  71. anoNet -- internet 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    anonet.fshell.org (The internet the way it was meant to be.)

    What does this have to do with this article. Well if we had a few servers on a highspeed backbone it would be nice -- but is not required.

    Stop by if you feel so inclined -- you would be amazed what happens when you combine OpenVPN + IANA reserved address space + BGP. You get a nice anonymous network that is encrypted...

    1. Re:anoNet -- internet 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i didn't even get to see internet 2

      Intresting idea though.

      Will have to look into it when i get to uni because i know they monitor what your doing and it isn't hard to packet sniff, so this would solve my problems, and from my experiances it beats most firewalls as it initiates a connection to the remote server.

  72. Banks actually WILL throw away their code... by Bank_Daddy · · Score: 1

    ...if they believe there's no competitive advantage to doing it themselves and they can save a boatload of $$$. It's already been done in the check image archive space with a company called Viewpointe. BoA and Chase started it and a bunch of others with the same problems got on board.

    For those with too much time on their hands, history of Viewpointe below...

    http://www.viewpointearchive.com/files/ViewpointeS tory.pdf

    --bank

    --
    Those who are late do not get fruit cup!
  73. LUCK! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People from Paul Graham to Bill Gates and everyone in between were all lucky. If they don't at least tip their hat to lady luck, they have an ego problem.

    It is also known as being "in the right place at the right time."

  74. Theres a reason those VCs cant find a plan by xenocide2 · · Score: 1

    1. Totally secure cellphone cc transactions. Requires the phone companies to play a willing part in this, and prone to phishing attacks. Debit cards already have a PIN.

    2. Good luck convincing a bank to just hand over control of their systems to you, a fly by night "entrepeneurial" firm with less than ten employees. Then there's the banking regulations that can quickly destroy a bank should they be in non-compliance.

    3. I could probably put together a group of people to engineer this, and even find an "etailor" or two to work with. The problem isn't that suggestions aren't good enough, it's that nobody cares. I'm sure the retailers care about an extra 2 percent increase in suggested sales, but online consumers generally don't window shop. They know what they want, that's why they're there and willing to wait for shipping.

    4. They already have something similar, it's called financing a Dell and Yahoo! Not to mention that Zagula is on crack if he expects the AARP membership to have huge amounts of discresionary income.

    5. Related to number once, but with twice the theft potential.

    6. Sorry, you can't buy that for 3 million. If I was say, the evolution group, I'd be asking for more than 3 million.

    7. The internet is California writ large. Craig's list succeeded because a) good times were rolling b) craig was well ahead of the status quo c) there's a fuckload of online people in the area. Oh and d) it was free to most people. This worked great when recruiters were earning hefty fees for filling positions, but no so much anymore. You notice that even now, the only listings that bring in money for craigslist are the high population centers.

    8. VOIP just restricts the client base drastically. CallerID should suffice for customer service identification and partial automation.

    9. Again, this requires a lot of participation on behalf of the wireless providers. Cat herding is an understatement.

    10. Somewhat promising, but there's the tangle of healthcare regulations, and while it might save 2.7 billion in hospital stays, those that need to return in day 9 or 10 might be enough to counter the savings by extra travel costs or at-home care. The real reason this VC hasn't found a taker is that you can't prototype this system for 500k.

    11. I can't recall wanting to switch from a PDA to a fridge during a VOIP conversation. And I'm sure the other end would love for me to be able to pause the conversation for a minute or two. If you're at home, instead of switching between devices on whims, won't you be simply using the devices best suited for the task at hand? Watch TV on your big screen, or your PSP? Big screen, por favor.

    Reguarding all of these, I'd be a little wary of VCs telling you what to do. They get submissions all the time and the current VC culture doesn't sign NDAs. You could wind up sitting on a decent technology because a VC who sat on his capital for too long gave you someone elses plan in a deperation attempt to "find something that worked, damnit." Remember, you're investing most everything in a single basket of eggs. The VC plays the odds across a wide number of investments.

    --
    I Browse at +4 Flamebait

    Open Source Sysadmin

  75. Lame by furrywithwings · · Score: 1

    None of those ideas is particularly noteworthy, especially as they are all devoted to basically just methods of distribution and not much else. Nothing to see here, and nothing to see. I'll pass on all of those ideas for something truly revolutionary.

  76. people who by zogger · · Score: 1

    ..lose their jobs in a crashed or semi crashed economy sell their homes at a loss, or it's just taken from them. Happend to millions in the great depression. Happened to I don't know how many across the rust belt the past 20 years as blue collar manufacturting jobs got offshored. In a large area it's not quite as bad, but smaller areas with a few key employers can be devasted when the factory closes. Then all the same sort of homes get dumped on the market while people desparately look for alternative work. I know several folks that happened to back during the mini crash following the huge oil price surges of the early OPEC days. when every other home on the block has a for sale sign, people really do lose equity. Stuff happens I guess. No one can really predict, all you can do is guess based on current realities and past history. Bubble economies (based on counting your future chickens before they are hatched mindsets) lead to crashes, they always have. Most people are maxed out now,we are at the lowest savings rate and highest debt rate ever,so they (still generalizing) couldn't stand much in the way of a long term layoff/unemployment and still keep their homes, much as they still would need a place to live..

    1. Re:people who by argoff · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I just don't think people understand how close to the edge of the cliff we realy are. I just don't think people understand how bad it can really get. Too many people have lived a cozy life in the US and never experienced Argentina style economics.

      The US is better than that, and I never said that the US economy is going to totally fail, but I have serious doubts about the US financial system and the survivability of US dollar over these next few years, and housing IS going to crash very hard no matter what they say.

  77. Re:I was annoyed by the article, but it motivated by Ratbert42 · · Score: 1
    I was dissapointed to see our idea in slightly different form in the article

    Hate to break it to you, but Craigslist has been there first. Heck, localized Usenet groups were around before Craig even got email.

  78. No admin, just monitoring... by RoadWarriorX · · Score: 1

    A few years back, I was involved with a great idea: Monitoring diabetes patients. The idea was to have patients use their monitors, the same one you can find at your local W@l*M@rt, on a regular basis, then occasionally hook their monitors up to their computers (or another specialized device with a modem interface) so that their data can be uploaded. Their doctors will view their patient's data via their secure session on the Internet. By the time that my involvement ended, there was support for many diabetes monitors and even other devices (like blood pressure and weight scales).

    The idea was strong and the geek factor was way cool, reverse engineering the monitors and stuff. But there were external problems, mostly meeting FDA requirements. Ultimately, by the time I left the project, they had other internal problems not really related to the technology, but with the direction of it's application. It's still in existence, but not widespead as it should be.

  79. After some thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I should have used "JVJ Enterprises" or something similar instead of "C.U. Seamy". It probably would have made the P.O. box thing more obvious to some people.

  80. Universal Bullshit Detector by pipingguy · · Score: 1


    For people that respond to spam, come-ons from VCs and investors.

  81. Anti-ideas for start-ups by goon · · Score: 1

    AS400 ... hackers despise it. [1]

    After reading this about VC`s fishing for talent to build their ideas. I couldn`t put the thought out of my mind that `these guys are doomed`. Someone may bite at the money. Would you?

    I don't see any interesting problems. Just lots of little nasty ones.

    Thoughtful listening:
    One of the biggest shifts I`ve seen this year is audio. Audio scales. [2] It brings the ideas forward with more immediacy than the written word. I don`t have to be at the conference to hear these speakers. IT conversations [3] has a whole heap of talks suitable for those interested in start-ups. For example....

    * Paul Graham on Great hackers [4]
    * Clayton Christensen about Capturing the Upside [5]
    * Tim O`Reilly on The paradigm shift [6]
    * Ben, Mena Trot on Six Apart [7]

    But don't think Pod cast. This is more radio than Pod and the ideas are lasting ones.

    Nasty little problems make you stupid.
    Good hackers avoid it like models avoid
    cheese burgers. [8]

    Great Hackers:
    The Paul Graham talk, Great Hackers, is humerous and insightful and all about the types of problems hackers find interesting. Graham poses lots of good questions on hacker motivation, what kind of projects hackers find worthy of solving, their tools and optimal environments.

    Innovators Solution:
    The Clayton Christensen talk has to be listened to carefully. His talk is about the answers, to the questions posed in his book Innovators Dilemma.[9] The core idea is that creating a start-up is less hit and miss than first appears. Christensen has devised a model that can be used as a guide to turning an idea to an enterprise.

    The Paradigm shift:
    Tim O`Reilly has written about, The paradigm shift in his article on the same name. His idea is that software like hardware is being comoditised. Therefore, the opportunities are not in hardware or software but the three c`s... accommodation's, collaboration & customisation. Listen to the talk or read the article [10] to find out.

    SixApart:
    What is it like to run a start-up? Ben and Mena Trot have ridden the Blog Wave with their company Six Apart. The Trots talk about what may appear as trivial, day to day things about their business. None of the pie in the sky ideas, just how they solve problems like, What are the consequences of changing business focus from a software development company to a software service company.
    Reference

    [0] `Paul Graham`, Great Hackers, talk, runtime... 30m 50s, 10Mb, recorded on 2004JUL27:

    http://www.itconversations.com/shows/detail188.htm l

    [Accessed August 28, 2005]

    [1] `Ideas For Your Next Tech Startup`, Slashdot.org comments on VC ideas they want to fund:

    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/27/022320 5&threshold=3&tid=187&tid=1

    [Accessed August 28, 2005]

    [2] Audio recordings scale (just like Linus does not). You can get the ideas from the source speakers with more immediacy that reading the words.

    [3] `ITConversations`, A bottom up, audio based geek community:

    http://www.itconversations.com/

    [Accessed August 28, 2005]

    [4] `Paul Graham`, Ibid.

    [5] `Clayton Christensen`, Capturing the Upside, talk, runtime ... 1Hr 48m, 37.3Mb, recorded 2004MAR17:

    http://www.itconversations.com/shows/detail135.htm l

    [Accessed August 28, 2005]

    [6] `Tim O`Reilly`, The Software Paradigm Shift, runtime ... 37Min 45s, 8.6Mb, recorded 2003SEP18:

    --
    peterrenshaw ~ Another Scrappy Startup