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IGN Purchased By News Corp.

Posted by Zonk on from the another-win-for-murdoch dept.

The Inquirer has the news that, it's official, IGN has been purchased by News Corporation. From the article: "For those not in the know, sites under the IGN network include IGN.com, GameSpy, GameSpy Arena, FilePlanet, TeamXbox, 3D Gamers, Direct2Drive, GameStats.com and a handful of sites under the Vault and Planet networks. IGN and its network will all become part of News Corporation's Fox Interactive Media unit, according to a News Corporation press release. This move is part of News Corp.'s plans to increase its presence online and follows the acquisition of Intermix - which ran MySpace.com - and a college sports outlet Scout Media."

58 comments

  1. Fox does it again by ValuJet · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just when you thought IGN couldn't get any shittier, fox goes and buys it. Does anyone take their game reviews seriously? Every time I read them the reviews seem like they are purchased from the companies that make the game.

    1. Re:Fox does it again by CoffeeJedi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      well, it will be the same honest editorial quality, but now with tie-ins to this week's episode of 24! Synergy!

      i could see the following happening:

      Fox creates shoddy CGI animated feature that emphasises celebrity voices (from Fox shows) and crappy pop-culture references over story.

      Fox commissions video game based on new feature.

      Gamespy gives video game glowing review.

      Gamespy interviews celebrity voices for site, asking about voiceover work for game, making sure to quote celebrity saying that they're a "big video game fan".

      Fox runs cross-media marketing campaign for movie with a scratch-n-win game at Burger King.

      Gamespy is plastered with Burger King ads tying into the scratch-n-win promotion.

      Following link from Gamespy takes you to flash-based minigame on BK website, urging you to buy the burger, see the movie, and play the PS2 game.

      Profit!

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    2. Re:Fox does it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I actually don't quite "get" the bashing of IGN reviews. Sure, their scores tend to be a little high, but they follow a consistent scale. The text of the reviews is, for the most part, detailed and informative and highlights any significant flaws even in high-scoring games. I remember when Doom 3 came out, IGN's review was a little late in appearing, but ended up giving a much more balanced review than the 10/10 and 0/10 reviews that everywhere else had thrown out within 24 hours of release.

      I'm not sure that the generally high scores thing is an indication of corruption, either. I think it's more a reflection of a problem that much of the games-reviewing media has had to put up with. Games have just gotten better across the board over the last decade. Don't go picking any emotional fights with me over how (random 10 year old game) is the best game ever and nobody who plays anything that came out since has any taste. The "bad" game - the unplayable/5 minute long/frustrating-as-hell/illogical/technologically obsolete/bugfest has largely ceased to exist, particularly on the consoles, where the console manufacturers enforce a minimum standard.

      Besides - do a search of IGN's reviews for all games scoring less than 4/10 - you'll find quite a few big-name licenses in there. Sure, IGN aren't perfect, but I still prefer them to most of the dead-tree gaming press.

    3. Re:Fox does it again by CoffeeJedi · · Score: 1

      oh, and it should be obvious that Fox Interactive would publish or produce the video game of course

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    4. Re:Fox does it again by PhotoBoy · · Score: 1

      Yep, I'm sure the review for 24: The Game (stupid title) will be as impartial and fair handed as Fox News' coverage of George Bush's election campaign.

      Still I'm sure this won't stop IGN pimping Jessica Chobot on every page as though a girl who plays games is some sort of pull for readers (maybe it is if you're 13 and "like teh playstashun and boobies". I bet the IGN editors were really impressed with her journalistic abilities and hiring her had nothing to do with her having breasts and them having no social skillz.

    5. Re:Fox does it again by PhotoBoy · · Score: 1

      I think the PC channel on IGN is fairly balanced because they don't get the attention that the console channels do, especially the PS2 and Xbox channels where most of the blatant review fiddling goes on.

      For example the rave reviews Halo 2, Knights of the Old Republic or San Andreas got. Halo 2 wasn't finished, neither was KOTOR2 and San Andreas had horrid slow down problems and terrible controls, yet they all got recommended as brilliant games without the flaws even being mentioned. Then there was their review of "Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness" that somehow managed to miss all or the bugs. And lets not get started on their MGS2 review except to say "Emperor's New Clothes".

      IGN reviews should be taken with enough salt to cause arterial hardening.

    6. Re:Fox does it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sooo... you're saying you don't like boobies?

    7. Re:Fox does it again by RogueyWon · · Score: 1

      Disagree with you strongly here.

      Halo 2 was, in my opinion, the best fps of last year. More varied than Doom 3, less pretentious than HL2 and less stupidly difficult than the later levels of Farcry. Sure, the ending was a let-down, but it takes a while to get there and the journey is as entertaining as hell. Plus, it actually has an interesting and unique art style, rather than just going for the spec-overload of the PC rivals.

      KOTOR is a superb game... one of the best RPGs I've played on any platform in the last few years. KOTOR 2 wasn't quite as good and the PC version was so buggy I took it back and got the X-Box version instead. X-Box version was fine and seemed finished to me.

      I've never seen noticable slowdown in San Andreas on PS2 or X-Box. If you have, you may have a dodgy drive in your console. The control system was the same as that in GTA3 and Vice City, more or less. Most people seem to have figured it out by now. I'll admit I wasn't a huge fan of San Andreas (nor the other GTA3 games) myself, but I know I'm in the minority there and I can't pin down why I don't like it, other than the fact that the whole hip-hop culture sends me batshit.

      MGS2 is a love-it-or-hate-it game. I loved it, so did a lot of other people. So did IGN's reviewer. They've hated games that I've loved before. Reviewers are individuals and are going to react to games as individuals, however objective they try to be.

      Not played a Tomb Raider game since the second, so for all I know you may have a point there.

      To cut a long story short, reviewers can never hope to reflect the opinion of everybody who buys the games they review. Best practice is generally to find a review site where the opinions basically coincide with your own and follow that. IGN fits the bill nicely for me and also, I'm guessing, for the grandparent. If it doesn't work for you, that's fine, but it's hardly evidence of corruption.

    8. Re:Fox does it again by bVork · · Score: 1

      Halo 2 was, in my opinion, the best fps of last year. More varied than Doom 3, less pretentious than HL2 and less stupidly difficult than the later levels of Farcry. Sure, the ending was a let-down, but it takes a while to get there and the journey is as entertaining as hell. Plus, it actually has an interesting and unique art style, rather than just going for the spec-overload of the PC rivals.

      Guess you didn't play The Chronicles of Riddick. Halo 2 also has significant frame drops in certain sections (like the freakin' cutscenes! Where they could've precalced things!)

      KOTOR is a superb game... one of the best RPGs I've played on any platform in the last few years. KOTOR 2 wasn't quite as good and the PC version was so buggy I took it back and got the X-Box version instead. X-Box version was fine and seemed finished to me.

      I ran into a repeating crash bug on the Xbox. I ended up having to delete all the cached files and reload before a certain point. Bugs aside, did you notice that the ending of KOTOR2 felt rather empty? People have been delving into the game and finding all sorts of dialogue that wasn't used. It feels like they ran out of time and rushed everything after Dantooine. Before that point, it was fantastic and better than the first game in certain areas. After Dantooine, it felt rushed and thrown together.

      I've never seen noticable slowdown in San Andreas on PS2 or X-Box. If you have, you may have a dodgy drive in your console. The control system was the same as that in GTA3 and Vice City, more or less. Most people seem to have figured it out by now. I'll admit I wasn't a huge fan of San Andreas (nor the other GTA3 games) myself, but I know I'm in the minority there and I can't pin down why I don't like it, other than the fact that the whole hip-hop culture sends me batshit.

      I don't think San Andreas is as good as the previous two games. They included a lot more heavily scripted missions that, while impressive, removed the myriad of choices you had in GTA3 and Vice City. There's no equivalent to the golf assassination mission in Vice City, where there are about six different ways to approach it. I think this more rigid scripting removes a great deal of the charm of the two earlier 3D GTA games, where you had a goal and basically could go about it in any way you could think of. And if you've never seen slowdown in San Andreas, you've never flown a plane through cloud cover, gotten doused by a firetruck, or caused a line of cars on the freeway to explode. The slowdown isn't common, but it is there and can easily be encountered without specifically attempting to trigger it. As for the controls, I actually think San Andreas has a better control scheme on consoles than the previous two. Aiming (both auto-targeting and manually) is much improved, as is the camera control. On PC, it's a different story. The default keys are an absolute pain and while you can remap them, it never feels as good as the controls of the previous games.

      MGS2 is a love-it-or-hate-it game. I loved it, so did a lot of other people. So did IGN's reviewer. They've hated games that I've loved before. Reviewers are individuals and are going to react to games as individuals, however objective they try to be.

      I play games for the gameplay. MGS2's gameplay is actually decent, but the cutscenes are so long and frequent that it sometimes feels like a chore. I don't want to hear about Otacon's oedipal adventures, I want to flip people over and then shoot them in the head! I quite liked MGS2: Substance (which I think is a very apt title, considering the emphasis on gameplay in the added VR missions), but the original MGS2 did not impress me very much. The bait-and-switch with Snake and Raiden also annoyed me greatly.

      Not played a Tomb Raider game since the second, so for all I know you may have a point there.

      Don't. They suck.

      To cut a long story short, reviewers can never hope to reflect the opinion of everybody who buys

    9. Re:Fox does it again by Trepalium · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Given the fact there's typically a three month lead to magazine printing, it's hardly surprising that they were reviewing unfinished games. That also means, for better or worse, they have to make some assumption about the bugs they may or may not run into being fixed before release. How stupid would they look complaining about a bug that didn't exist on the shipping version?

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    10. Re:Fox does it again by xtracto · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try Metacritic I find it very useful for game revies and scores. And it has also Films, DVDs, Music and Books.

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    11. Re:Fox does it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get why people keep putting down Fox News. They run two types of programs - regular unbiased news, and opinion pieces(Dem vs Repn like Hannity and Colmes, and Repn-only like O'Reilly). There's nothing wrong with their regular news. Fox News != O'Reilly.

      I watched their coverage on election night. It was done well; you heard lots of buzz from both Democrat and Republican guests, and there was no particular preference shown for either party.

      I flipped over to Dan Rather for a while, and he was running a completely pro-Kerry show. He only had Democrat guests on, and talked about how Kerry was a great guy, and how Kerry had a good chance of winning, etc. I watched it for quite some time, hoping that Rather would show an inkling of balance, but that never happened.

  2. I yearn for the day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    When we will all be able to say in unison : "Don't blame me, I voted for Kang!"

  3. omglol this is great! by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 5, Funny
    Now IGN's game coverage will be Fair and Balanced(TM)!

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    1. Re:omglol this is great! by terrisus · · Score: 1

      Yeah, gee, maybe this purchase will lead to an increase in quality.

      On the other hand, I wouldn't know. I stopped visiting their main website page years ago.

  4. Hello Gentlemen by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 3, Funny

    All your sites are belong to us.

  5. a logo is in order by phoenix42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe /. need a Rupert Murdoch logo, for every time News Corp. buys some craptacular internet company.

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  6. Adventures in Digital BS by Japong · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which is kind of an odd conflict of interest, seeing as Fox Interactive has a games division.

    As soon as the big media companies start buying out gaming sites, and gaming developers (I'm looking at you, Rockstar) - do you think we're still going to see all this BS reporting on the news about how "dangerous" videogames are hurting America? I somehow think there's going to be a whole lot of back-scratching going on, with games based on Fox's IP licenses getting good reviews, and games produced by Fox getting positive attention in the media. And so the circle of shit is complete.

    1. Re:Adventures in Digital BS by dbhankins · · Score: 1

      What's really odd is that Fox Interactive was sold off in March 2003 (with all the game properties) to Vivendi Universal. It doesn't exist any more, unless Newscorp intends to recreate it.

      Trying to go to foxinteractive.com takes you to Fox's main website, where there is nary a mention of videogames at all.

      Dan

    2. Re:Adventures in Digital BS by rtb61 · · Score: 1
      Yes, like that really works. Gamespot reviews were infamous (even the supposed reader reviews were a joke, well at least the first page), so people stop bothering to read them. IGN reviews were already pretty bad, so they had to buy game spy (whose reviews in turn started to deteriorate), so they had to buy 3D gamers (funny I don't bother with reviews from that site much any more either). As a result, a new online game site then forms and grows because the public demand is their for an honest and fair site and so it goes on.

      It is all about the gameply, it has always been all about the gameplay. The idiots buy into a market they don't understand and basically stuff it up (pay a huge amount for a company, devalue it through a series of stupid mistakes, then try to hire people who know what is going on to try and fix it).

      Good reviews for bad games last about a week, the suckers get a hold of it and then bitch all over the internet about what a steaming pile of crap it is. Me, I don't touch any software till it has been out for a least a month (M$=B$ taught me all the lessons I need to know about the difference between software marketing and actual software performance). Oh and the odd occasion (over the years) I get caught means I don't buy any software from that company (publishing house and developer) for at least a year. If it was annoying enough, I won't buy any products from that developer, ever. Looking at the way these companies share value fluctuates tends to indicate I am not the only one.

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  7. Oh great. by vertinox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Another purchase and another merger... When was the last time you heard of someone selling off or splitting up a company?

    At this rate, we'll have one company that does everything by 2020.

    FoxMicrosoftWarnerGlaxol Corp Inc.

    "Where do we want you to consume today?"

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    1. Re:Oh great. by tdvaughan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Palm split into PalmOne and PalmSource.

    2. Re:Oh great. by Momoru · · Score: 1

      When was the last time you heard of someone selling off or splitting up a company?

      Why just today Ford announced it was splitting off Hertz and selling it.

    3. Re:Oh great. by saden1 · · Score: 1

      No wonder they are selling Hertz...Hertz owes more than 10 billion to creditors. I'd offload them ASAP.

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    4. Re:Oh great. by wikdwarlock · · Score: 1

      I believe, in fact, that every single one of the companies that you point out as having been "purchase[d]" were "sold" by someone else.

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    5. Re:Oh great. by interiot · · Score: 1

      Motorola / Freescale Semiconductor. ST:TNG / Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.

    6. Re:Oh great. by BewireNomali · · Score: 1

      I think they're talking about getting back together.

      http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000290056433/

      Synergy makes a lot of sense. Not trusting ANY company seems to make even more sense.

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    7. Re:Oh great. by Frodo+Crockett · · Score: 1

      I plan to work for Weyland-Yutani, you insensitive clod!

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  8. For those not in the know... by Bnderan · · Score: 5, Funny

    For those not in the know, sites under the IGN network include IGN.com, GameSpy, GameSpy Arena...

    For once, those not in the know are better off for it.

    1. Re:For those not in the know... by amrust · · Score: 1
      I was SO not in the know, that I assumed I was first submitter of this story just a few moments ago, a mere 6 hours after Zonk posted it. Had it been on the front page, I would have seen it. It was (appropriately?) hidden in the Games section.

      /used to have an active IGN account
      //switched to Gamespot

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  9. Nintendo by peel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder if/how this will affect Nintendos use of the Gamespy network for the DS. I'm sure they probably won't be too happy about having to get into bed with Fox. Who knows though.

    -peel

    1. Re:Nintendo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      How come? Have the two companies bashed heads over something before? (Genuine question - for all I know, they may well have).

      If not, I don't see any ethical compatibility problems. Both are big companies with a history of trying to build monopolies (and both cases, sometimes losing them through ineptitude) and draconian protection of characters/licenses they own from third party use.

    2. Re:Nintendo by nmaster64 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Ok, your being ridiculous, shut up...

      Excluding the retarted comparison between Fox and Nintendo, I'm not quite sure either what to make of this move.

      Technically, I don't think this should affect anything. You still have the same people working the same jobs. Nothings really changed except that rich jerk stuck himself on the top of the totem pole.

      The only thing I see as an issue is the possibility of this guy not approving budgets towards the Nintendo Network plans. He's a rich prick and all he cares about is getting richer, despite how completely uneccesary it is. So, when the GameSpy division writes the budget and he sees it, there's a small chance the following scenario pans out:

      "What is this crap!? 1 million dollars towards the Nintendo Wi-Fi project? Why the @#$% are we paying these Japanese pansies?"
      "Sir, those are the costs for R&D to develop the GameSpy Arcade software for the DS and Revolution. Nintendo is covering advertisment and dispursement costs. Their budget goes well into the tens of millions. This project is huge."
      "Well then let them pay for it themselves!"
      "Sir, this collaboration has brought in an entirely new market to GameSpy. Our user base has multiplied three-fold. Also, premium memberships for our PC services are on the rise too. In the long-run, this will be one of our most profitable projects..."
      "I don't care about your long-term projections! I want lots of money right now! I only bought this company so I could soak for what it's worth over a couple years and then retire on more money that I will ever have a use for! Now go get me another victim to feed my cannabalistic appetite! Preferably a baby!"


      Murdoch: Corporate-leech & baby-eater

      ...and probably the US president in 2008. :P


      (Disclaimer: Yeah, I don't know where that came from, but it was funny. In all fairness, there's just as good a chance that this is good news for the IGN network and it's users, because it brings in more money to the network as a whole. As long as the corporate pricks keep their minds out of the gaming portion, and let the gamers do their jobs, it'll be fine... But even if it does work out for the better, Murdoch will still be a cannibal. :P )

    3. Re:Nintendo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Ok, your being..."

      Do you think anyone will take your post seriously when you have yet to master grade 5 grammar?

      I stopped reading right there.

    4. Re:Nintendo by nmaster64 · · Score: 1

      Ok, you're being ridiculous, shut up... If you judge people based upon 1 typo amidst a page of text, then you obviously have the intellect of a retarted bull-moose. Trolls are so simple-minded. Oh, and if you actually read the post, you'd realize it was mostly a joke. Thus, no, I actually didn't expect anyone to take it seriously.

    5. Re:Nintendo by DeadScreenSky · · Score: 1

      But since it was a mistake in an already pretty stupid insult it really made you look more than a little immature. You can't flame somebody using terrible grammar and then expect them to ignore that fact.

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    6. Re:Nintendo by nmaster64 · · Score: 1
      Ok, now I'm just fuckin' pissed off. It was a god damn typo, get the fuck over it. Try scouring the internet, or hell, even the Slashdot comments. You'd be hard-pressed to find many posts that DON'T contain errors. About a tenth of the internet just ignores punctuation and capitalization all together, let alone the proper use of a specific word with multiple spellings.

      Everyone is permitted to have a typo now and then, and anyone who says otherwise is nothing but a fuckin' troll who has nothing better to do but annoy the shit out of people.

  10. Brought to you by... by charlesbakerharris · · Score: 3, Informative
    ...the folks who reviewed Master of Orion III - a game that was so poorly done that you could literally start a new game, then do nothing but hit "End Turn" about 500 times, and win the game...

    They gave it 9.2 out of 10, including a subscore of 9.4 for "lasting appeal". Nice work, morons.

  11. Well... by hapwned · · Score: 1

    The inquirer has been wrong about what their sources say quite a few times, so until someone with more creditials shows that Newscorp has stakes it's flag in the ground of IGN declaring ownership, I'll file this in the rumor bin.

    1. Re:Well... by EvilDonut · · Score: 2, Informative

      More Sources: GamesIndustry.biz/a> and News Corp themselves.

    2. Re:Well... by jasoncart · · Score: 2, Informative

      How about...
      Bloomberg, ZDnet, Financial Times, BBC, Reuters, USAToday, or Washington Post?

    3. Re:Well... by Elwaryn · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or Even... Google News

    4. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dam even IGN says it :) But I know what you mean. http://corp.ign.com/articles/648/648836p1.html

  12. Wow... All your bases by the_skywise · · Score: 1

    ARE belong to us...

    I wonder if O'Reilly can give Adam Sessler a run for his money... (Actually now that I think about it... they do look like they're related...)

  13. Wait till they're bought out by GrassMunk · · Score: 1

    Just wait until FOX is bought out by Microsoft. Microsoft is just itching to get into the broadcast industry and is making small headway, but once they buy a media company it will be over. And yes im aware of MSNBC but thats a parternership.

  14. just what the world needed by beowulfy · · Score: 1

    I like how Fox spent 500 million to buy out myspace and the site is still a buggy as can be. myspace's login system only works about 40% of the time. You'd think with a 500 million cash infusion they could get their site functioning at a decent level.

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    1. Re:just what the world needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their site is cumbersome, but it is useful when it works. I don't identify with much of the content, but I do enjoy how easy it is to communicate with my pals.

      The site is complex and high volume. A LOT of information is being tracked and served. I believe that much of it was originally done in Cold Fusion whereas now all of the sections are subdomains with pages brought to you by Windows. I think they would benefit from studying livejournal's memcached approach to their problem.

  15. I'm glad I left when I did... by Radix37 · · Score: 1

    I moved my site off planetquake eight months ago because it was outgrowing it, but I also didn't like gamespy much. I hate to think how bad it will get now. Not just because of 'news corp', but when you're hosted on site X which is owned by Y which is owned by Z which is owned by A ... well, it's just a nightmare.

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  16. more reason to hate em: by trainedCodeMonkey · · Score: 0

    IGN: home to mmorpg gold sellers FOX: home to biased political banter more reason to hate this conglomerate.

    1. Re:more reason to hate em: by BlakLanner · · Score: 1

      I believe you are referring to IGE as the gold sellers.

  17. In Ratchet and Clank... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    ...It was called Megacorp.

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  18. PREVIEW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We're sorry, but this game has been pulled off of Gamespy due to it's hostility to the Bush Administration."- Future error message when you try and play a game that involves any reference to a War going badly, even if it takes place in the Early days of WWII.

  19. Less Advertisements? by BlueFiberOptics · · Score: 1

    If News Corp. bought IGN, does that mean we'll quit seeing all these ads that completely litter the site? I don't mind a nice big banner for a movie or something, but IGN takes advertising too far.

  20. *sigh* by TheBot · · Score: 1

    sell out, to me oh yeah, sell out to me

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  21. Don't forget movie reviews by ebonkyre · · Score: 1

    IGN also runs Rotten Tomatoes, the movie review /news site. Fox makes, hmmm, movies. Maybe it isn't just about games...

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    1. Re:Don't forget movie reviews by Random+Guru+42 · · Score: 1

      They were already publishing (if not also developing) games under their Fox Interactive print. I too suspect it has to do with subverting the media for ratings.

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  22. Bah, nothing but a bunch of tabloids. by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 1

    Until I see it in The Register, it hasn't happened.

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  23. Unfair and Unbalanced by HyperHyper · · Score: 1

    Just what the site needed for some credibility (NOT). I usually see the spin corners on internet clips when they talk about events that never happened (Like Canada being in the Vietnam war - that was a good one).

    Should be interesting to see if they push their political agenda onto the games somehow. I for one will be a lot more skeptical on what is written there and it seems that I'm not alone in this.