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Sony Profits Low, Halts CRT Production
mtndue1 writes "Forbes is reporting that with lower than expected profits, Sony is halting the production of CRT's for televisions at many of its plants. The restructuring move is meant to catch the company up with other manufacturers who moved to LCD displays more quickly." From the article: " In the second quarter to September, net profit dropped 46.5 pct to 28.5 bln yen, pressured by 32.3 bln yen in restructuring expenses to write down the impaired value of its cathode-ray tube (CRT) plants. Under the plant closure program, Sony will shut down some of its CRT television assembly factories by March 2008 in order to shift its focus to the flat-screen TV business ... In a bid to revive its game division, Sony plans to release its next-generation stand-alone PlayStation 3 game console in the spring. To speed up development of PlayStation 3, Sony plans to devote 410 bln yen to capital investment in the year to March, up from 356.8 bln yen a year earlier."
LCD may not be superior in all ways, but for the average consumer the small size is ideal. Although sony isn't the best, I'd hate to see them go the way of the dodo.
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I wonder if this means Sony is going to start improving their LCD TV quality finally? When I was shopping for an LCD TV recently, the Sony ones were overpriced, ugly and had poor image quality compared to competition.
I havent seen any at sony retailers in 3 years at least! heh.
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If this means there is a much greater supply of LCDs then the price should drop. Does anyone buy who isn't budget constrained buy CRTs anymore?
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Welcome to variable resolutions, myriads of colors, quick response time, and incredible flexibility. Yes, I like my CRT's.
It looks to me like Sony are beginning to bet the farm on the PS3. The Walkman range is now outsold by Apple branded players, the TV market is awash with other makes of TV.. I could go on in any other markets (maybe brodacst - admit not too sure on that). They also seem to be losing their grip on their legendary quality of years back (though my admittedly late-era PSP is still a thing of beauty IMHO - lets ee how it stands up to time) - My Sony 6 CD player in my less than year old car has already taken to playing no CD's and has a radio that likes to retune at random... I could go on.. Sony are to me, at least, beginning to look more like a games company than anything else - if they don't succeed they may well be dodo, if not severely crippled.
I have been looking at the Sony 30 inch wide screen CRT, can they drop the price on it $100 or so
I don't think this is very good news if you're in the market for a large screen TV in the future and want a CRT. With the supply from Sony dwindling, prices won't be dropping as much as we'd like them to in comparison to LCD. And I wonder how much easier it is to recycle components of an LCD screen device, compared to a CRT's? There will be less lead I'm guessing, but are there any rules about throwing LCD monitors/TVs into the landfill?
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I havent seen any at sony retailers in 3 years at least! heh.
Sony oem's a large number of Trinitron crt's for other manufacturers.
And now Sony is going to sell a couple million Playstation 3's at a loss? Good luck.
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it can only mean that other display types will become more affordable. Right now, the really nice TVs are way out of reach for Wal-Mart shoppers such as myself. I look forward to the changes coming soon.
It's too bad that Sony is phasing out it's CRT production. Granted, flat-screens have much better resolution, a smaller footprint and are lighther, but they're still extremely expensive. A 32" Sony Trinitron is going for around $400, while a 32" Sony LCD Wega flat panel is more than $2,000 (the cheapest 32" LCD flat screen I could find goes for $1,300). I just don't understand why anyone would buy one flat screen when they could get four or five CRTs for the same price.
It must have been a hard choice for mtndue1, torn between hyping up his scoop so that he would have a chance to be published on Slashdot and not telling outright lies. So he took both approaches:
Sony is halting the production of CRT's for televisions at many of its plants
Sony will shut down some of its CRT television assembly factories by March 2008 (emphasis mine)
No, I didn't read the fine article, but I did laugh out loud.
You and me both. I'm going to go right out and get a Sony Trintron in theu nfortunate event that I won't be able to find them in stores come another couple of years. But yeah, Trinitron CRT is the best picture quality you can get hands-down. Heck, CRT's period are surprisingly superior to LCD's in many ways. I hate how the industry is practically forcing the change upon me, but I guess I'll have to conform sometime.
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I think I'm right in saying that most people here would thank Sony for allowing them to buy the Playstation 3. A large percentage of us are looking forward to spending our money on it when it is finally launched.
However, it's interesting to see the Forbes' take on the release: In a bid to revive its game division, Sony plans to release its next-generation stand-alone PlayStation 3 game console in the spring.
Funny how a slightly different viewpoint casts a whole new light on a subject...
38,500,000,000.00 JPY = 334,047,807.86 USD
32,300,000,000.00 JPY = 280,239,409.58 USD
410,000,000,000.00 JPY = 3,556,690,039.42 USD
356,800,000,000.00 JPY = 3,095,187,819.67 USD
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Of course, myself, I got a second hand 21" Sony Trinitron VGA monitor for about $80, so I'm fine :)
Mmmm, obscenely high resolution...
The implication there is that it needs reviving. As far as I'm aware it's the healthiest part of the company by a long shot. Sony really are banking on SCE: when the PS2 began to approach saturation point (pre-slimline PS2) and sales dipped, Sonys profits dropped by some obscene percentage.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
How much of the money will really go into development? How much into Marketing and overpaid Managers??
For computer monitors CRTs are still superior for a number of reasons.
Some examples:
Much higher contrast between black and white.
better color definition.
gamma/color/brightness doesn't change based on fewing angles.
much faster response/no ghosting.
People who complain about flickering with CRTs are usually just running the monitor at a to high of resolution. There problems are more related to not spending enough on their monitors rather then serious flaws in CRT monitors.
even on very nice LCD monitors I get headaches. This is because I habitually read scrolling text. This works on CRTs, but ghosting and inferior response rates blur everything. I bought a LCD monitor a while ago and I learned this. I bought a CRT to replace it and gave the LCD to a friend.
Of course now bunches of people will jump on me to justify buying a LCD monitor instead spending a 3rd of the price on a CRT monitor with similar capabilities. (You probably spend a lot more on your jeans then me, too. Oh and ipods with harddrives and unreplacable batteries that have failures with batteries and harddrives, rather then going out and buying a flash-based device for a 4th of the cost and 400% of the reliability.)
LCD is a dead-end technology. It's great for places with low amounts of space... like if you want a 50 inch TV in your living room, or 30 inch displays on your desktop, and in laptops, but it's not ever going to go anywere beyond that.
Once we get stuff like OLEDs or whatever replaces LCD, then it will be superior to LCD AND CRTs in terms of price, performance, energy usage, and mass.
Yes, poor people are in trouble because they keep buying overpriced luxury goods. That's the real root of the problem.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
With the failure of the PSP, Sony is already cutting features left and right to curb its losses drastically for the PS3. Maybe we'll see a $300 release price after all.
so why havent you given all your money to the poor?
Maybe if they weren't constantly being plundered by corporations, they would be able afford the things they need.
Stop blaming the victim!
better yet:
38.5 Billion JPY = 334.0 Million USD
32.3 Billion JPY = 280.2 Million USD
410.0 Billion JPY = 3.56 Billion USD
356.8 Billion JPY = 3.10 Billion USD
I'm not rich! The rich corporations are the ones trampling on the poor, not me. They're the ones that owe society for their immoral (if I had my way, illegal) actions.
Keep in mind that Sony does not sell food, clothing or any other necessities of life. They sell stereos, televisions and PlayStations. If you consider pricing their products to high is "immoral profiteering", then are you trying to argue that the poor somehow have a god given right to have access to stereos, televisions and PlayStations?
I like my PlayStation as much as anybody, but I would not consider myself exploited if somehow I could not play GTA.
People like you really do a disservice to the poor by clouding the real problems that the poor face, but what can I expect from someone named "Trolling4Columbine"?
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A 42 inch flat screen standard aspect ratio trinitron. Weighs 215 lbs, cost $1000. At 215 lbs I don't worry too much about it getting stolen!
It has an incredibly annoying useability problem. It's capable of shrinking the scan lines so you can get widescreen format without wasting scan lines, makes widescreen DVDs a whole lot sharper.
It takes 12 button presses on the remote to get there, and if you shut off the TV, it's standard aspect again even though it's still showing the same DVD requiring 12 more button presses.
I didn't know Down's Syndrome was so prevalent in Japan. It should have a dedicated remote button (it has half a dozen buttons nobody would ever use) and as long as you don't change channels it should stay widescreen. Dumb dumb dumb.
"then are you trying to argue that the poor somehow have a god given right to have access to stereos, televisions and PlayStations?"
The rich have that right, along with many others privileges that are denied our less fortunate citizens. All I'm asking for is equality!
But not when it comes to weight. Be sure to get someone to help you lift it. Their 32" flat-CRT HD-ready models weigh around 175 pounds. I've had one for about 2 1/2 years and I had it delivered. If I need to get behind it, I can slide it around on the stand. I'm glad I spent the money for the official Sony stand, it's fits perfectly, and it can hold half a dozen video game consoles.
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I think people who hype LCD and plasma quality are in one of two camps:
1. They have sensitive vision and the brightness of the CRT hurts their eyes (this is why my work computer has an LCD monitor).
2. LCDs are newer and these people keep reading about how great they are.
Side by side in a store it's easy to see that a good CRT provides much better color, brightness and contrast than any LCD or plasma TV. Considering that they are a third the price, I often wonder why there is such a big market for skinny TVs. Can the depth of the TV really make someone spend so much more money?
I also have an issue with plasma vs projection large screen TVs. A good projection TV is indistinguishable from a plasma TV and costs half the price. Why aren't people buying projection instead of plasma?
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They make a better noise when you throw them out of the window?
No one wants to purchase CRT. DLP is the new Plasma.
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I'm presuming that you own your computer. Assuming that is the case, you are richer than the bulk of the worlds population.
If you were really for equality, then you would sell your computer and give that money to the poor people in the third world.
WOuldn't it be funny if one day, only the expensive TVs will come with CRTs, what with the better colors and saturation...
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It's hard for me to say that CRTs are still superior to LCDs because I haven't actively researched the best LCDs, but of the many LCD displays that friends and labs use, I can't imagine what I'll do when my current CRT comes up for replacement. There's simply no comparison. The LCD blacks are fake on many of the Dells (they seem to cheat to get a good contrast ratio - perfect black is dark, but the dark grey levels are much lighter). There's also the abrasiveness of the tri-color split of LCD pixels.
I guess I'm an old-fashioned dinosaur, and maybe the CRT v. LCD battle is comparable to the tube v. solid state amplifier battle, but this day marks the end of the era of beautiful CRT displays. I'll mourn.
Why are you even here? Shouldn't you be off discussing this somewhere relevant instead of lowering the tone of a sci-tech discussion site?
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
Tragically, that would still make them money. With satellite service as of right now, you need an antenna to receive over-the-air HD channels. I did not know this; it turned out to be cheaper to cancel Dish Network's service than to purchase and install a large enough antenna.
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Just a guess...
but your flunked econ 101 right?
Forbes is reprinting a story it didn't even write. Don't give them the credit. Give it the outfit that did the actual reporting: China Xinhua news agency. Anyone see the irongy of the Capitalist Tool reprinting news published by Communist China's official News Agency?
Umm, those support wires are there by design. Calling it a defect is misrepresenting the product. I own a 21" Trinitron monitor and was well aware of the presence of these wires before purchace. Some get hung up on it, some never notice it.
Don't confuse personal preference with a "defect" that requires "fixing".
Oh where, oh where, has my Trinitron gone,
Oh where, oh where can it be?
With its lines ultra-sharp but its price set so high,
Oh where, oh where can it be?
But with this talk of LCD tvs and CRT's, I'm wondering if there is a comparison out there, or if anyone has any advice for what I should buy for a HD big screen tv for my new apt. How do LCD's compare to DLP's as far as cost, quality of picture, and size go?
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Do you need a tv? Do you need a game console? Do you need a ipod? Do you need a computer? Do you need half the crap that people buy? What you need is food and shelter everything else is a luxury.
Aside from CRTs having better picture quality than LCDs they
were also invented in 1897, not 1990 (which I suspect is when
you were born sonny).
Current cost to Sony, about four thousand pounds. Well, it makes me feel better... It was a kick ass RPG too - the Alderac designers ROCK.
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Sr. Executive: "Profits are down. Somebody should really look into this. Brenda, who works for me?" Brenda: "Let me check." Sr. Executive: "No time, my jet is landing. Just send one in." ... moments later
Jr. Executive: "Sir?"
Sr. Executive: "Profits are down. Take care of that."
Jr. Executive: "Right." ...later that same day
Jr. Executive: "So, what is it that we make here?"
Engineer: "Televisions."
Jr. Executive: "Ok, stop making those."
Engineer: "What are we going to sell?"
Jr. Executive: "That's marketing's problem."
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Yes I realize they'll still make LCD tvs...
I bought a 17 sony trinitron over 15 years ago for $1700. It is still going strong. When I went looking for an HDTV replacement nothing is better than a CRT. The Sony line is quoted as being the standard for which all others are measured, even LCD. Sony stopped making the 40" model. I guess that was a sign. Considering the quality of Sony's products, known by there reputation; I'd say that Sony is suffering losses because of their high quality.
Economics is not a zero sum game. You lose.
My point exactly! The rich don't need these things, yet they spend their ill-gotten fortunes on them while they leave the poor they've exploited without food, shelter, and other life necessities!
Thanks but I chose to stay with CRT's forever.
I do not like LCD or flat panel TV's or monitors at all.
The response time is god awful, the resolution is god awful.
They just flat out suck... Not to mention the abysmally short life span of the LCD/plasma/whatever screens.
I have a number of 21" Sony Trinitron CRT's stockpiled as backups.
I have a matched pair sitting on my desk right now and 4 spares stuck away because I KNEW this was going to happen...
I have a few 27" TV's that I never really watch but I suppose that sometime in the not to distant future I'll go out and purchase a few of the very large Sony Trinitron CRT TV's. My uncle is a big Sony fan (100% Sony in his home) and has several very large Sony Wega CRT sets in his home and man, I'm here to tell you those sets have magnificent pictures!
I can imagine they are very expensive but I expect the price to drop as Sony tries to push old stock out the door to make way for the dinky little flat screens that all the LEMMINGS just *have to* run out and buy. It's the "me too syndrome". You know, keeping up with the Jones and all that.
People are basically stupid and will buy stuff just because the voice on the idiot box tells them it's cool and trendy and that you MUST run out and get yours today.
Not me. I stick with yesterdays technology. It's tried and tested and no one is jealous of my Fred Flintstone equipment and decor... Not to mention, I save a lot of money by not replacing all my stuff every commercial break..
Quit feeding the troll, you'll only make it spew more shit.
stop it or you'll make the poor little socialist-i'm-only-asking-for-equality-wanna-be's brain explode
If you own a computer, by the standards of the world's population, yes you are rich. And because you won't give up all of the things you "don't need", judging from your rules, you are trampling on the poor just as much as the evil corporations.
... by volume. In poor markets, LCDs are still to expensive for doing the same job, less well, their only advantage is that they take up less space and look cool. In richer markets, people are starting to realize that CRTs' image quality is better. I don't know how fast LCD technology will progress, but i'm guessing CRTs will prove a bit more resilient than most people expect. So I'm not sure it's a smart move for Sony, especially since their Trinitron screens are quite good, though not the only game in town anymore.
What also bothers me about Sony is that they fancy themselves a high-end brand, but I had a couple of discmans fail right out of the box, sent each 3 times for service, they came back as broken as they went (so quality AND quality control AND service suck). Luckily, my retailer let me exchange them for another brand. I wrote to Sony, got a started "too bad" customer service letter.
Maybe they'll come out of their memory stick delusion sometime too... many people I talk to won't buy Sony stuff because of these. I know I won't.
Their latest phones, notebooks and digital cameras seem fine, though.
The Cloud - because you don't care if your apps and data are up in the air.
How about they stop manufacturing worthless proprietary media?
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I'd like to see them go the way of the dodo.
Yeah, yeah, -1 troll.
Seems odd the warranty wasn't still good on the Sony - I remember crappy ADI monitors and the like offering three years...
I'll be sad to see CRTs finally become extinct. Although LCD and plasma screens have come a long way in the last few years, there's nothing like a good CRT when picture quality really matters, and this news of Sony cutting back production brings back nostalgic memories of the old days.
Many people today don't realize how far CRT TVs have come in quality and usability. I got my first TV set, a 19" Admiral B&W set, for my 8th birthday back in the 1960s. Admiral was one of the big brands back then, along with such former household names as Philco, Zenith, and Packard Bell. Japanese TVs were as rare as Japanese cars.
My TV was a tube set, of course. Not just the CRT itself, but all of the active circuit elements were tubes. If you think today's CRTs generate heat, then you've never seen a tube set--they're in a totally different league. I don't miss the heat, but back then TVs had a warm, satisfying orange glow eminating from the rear of the set, and a peculiar smell as well.
Tuners were not digital PLL back then either. They were analog with click stops for the VHF channels and a fine tuning ring around the main tuning dial to make fine adjustments. UHF tuners didn't even have click stops--you tuned until you found the station you wanted--and the channel numbers on the dial sometimes weren't even close.
Then there were the controls I haven't seen on a TV in 30 years--horizontal and vertical hold. These were used to prevent the picture from "jumping" vertically and smearing out horizontally. The settings would drift, requiring frequent readjustment, and a trip across the room, as remotes were nonexistant.
When a TV broke down back then, fixing it was an adventure. You took the back off the TV and removed all the tubes and took them down to the supermarket or drugstore and plugged them into a tube tester. You'd look up the settings for the particular tube in a book, set a bunch of dial settings, and then push the "test" button. If the meter needle moved into the green, the tube was OK. After buying replacements for the bad tubes, you went home and plugged them all back in and hoped everything was fixed. In my experience, replacing tubes fixed 90% of all TV problems.
Ah, the good old days!
I bought the short wave radio -Skysensor 5800 made by Sony for the first time at age 13. At that time I greatly enjoyed listening to the broadcasting from overseas. I started listning to FEN at age 21, and I started listning to BBC at age 27. I changed the short wave radio three times and all were made by Sony. Now I sometimes listen to the radio through the Internet. Radioes are no more needed. Times have passed.
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A good projection TV is indistinguishable from a plasma TV
No they aren't. In may ways, they're easily distinguishable.
Why aren't people buying projection instead of plasma?
They are.
I picked up a Mistubishi Diamondtron 19" Flat CRT (based off of sonys trintron design) and im more then happy with it. Got it for 119 bucks used at some chinese computer store and I couldn't be happier with it. Although I wasn't sure on the Aperture Grille technology. I get my monitor and it has 2 fine lines going through it on 1/4 of the way down and up. After reading I find it's because the screen is too flat (no complains here tho) after a little while you get used to it. Plus the monitor has FPM mode which brightens the brights and darkens the dark (good for games and movies) but not very nice for just normal computing because it's so bright that it makes you dizzy.
Lots of other people borrowed sonys trintron technology. So there is alot of selection out there. Don't just look at Sony's if you want a good deal. Oh yeah and don't expect it to be light. My 19" CRT is over 60lbs but it's worth it if you want a nice picture at any resolution.
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although only a handful of folks still care about being able to see exactly what's going to get printed.
The response time is god awful
Plasma and newer LCD screens have fine response time, exhibiting no ghosting at all. Early-generation technology will never be that great, but it has gotten a lot better.
the resolution is god awful.
God-awful resolution? 720p is the same on a CRT than it is on an LCD/Plasma/DLP.
They just flat out suck... Not to mention the abysmally short life span of the LCD/plasma/whatever screens.
Modern plasma screens (at least Panasonics) have a life of 80,000 hours. That is approx 3333 hours, which is nine years of uninterrupted play. Sure, I have a CRT that is 14 years old that I still use today, but I also have a 52" Widescreen DLP because that CRT wasnt cutting it any more for me in the main TV-viewing area.
This nine years can be extended signifigantly by lowering the contrast to the proper level, as most TVs ship with it at max. This will also lower the risk of burn-in.
These were neq technologies and they all had major flaws, but they are all past their third gen (DLP being the newest, in its fourth generation right now) and these flaws are rapidly disappearing. The ones you cited were the first to be corrected.
I have a number of 21" Sony Trinitron CRT's stockpiled as backups.
My DLP will only last me about three years on its original bulb, but those can be purchased new from Mitsubishi for about $150. Not a problem to maintain a large television. I would rather spend $150 for a warranteed bulb every few years than have two or more CRTs taking up space somewhere.
My uncle is a big Sony fan (100% Sony in his home) and has several very large Sony Wega CRT sets in his home and man, I'm here to tell you those sets have magnificent pictures! I can imagine they are very expensive but I expect the price to drop as Sony tries to push old stock out the door to make way for the dinky little flat screens that all the LEMMINGS just *have to* run out and buy. It's the "me too syndrome". You know, keeping up with the Jones and all that.
People are basically stupid and will buy stuff just because the voice on the idiot box tells them it's cool and trendy and that you MUST run out and get yours today. That is a bit of a contridiction. The only reason Sony sells stuff now is because theyre a much bigger and trendier brand name. Their PQ is far outclassed by other manufacturers, even the budget ones, and they cost an arm extra compared to the other big names.
This article basically details that Sony's hype doesnt sell their products any more, as consumers are getting smarter and buying on picture/audio/feature quality and not brand-name. Sticking to Sony is fine for people, but they are limiting themselves to inferior products in a large majority of cases.
I've noticed that if I change the settings on my video card (I have a GeForce FX 5900XT) under "Digital Flat Panel" to "Video Card Scaling" (actually, I prefer "Aspect Ratio Scaling" even better), the picture at sub-optimal resolutions looks outstanding. Apparently what it does is use the scaling features of the video card to output a lower resolution to the monitor at the monitor's optimal resolution. Seriously, you need to try it and see it for yourself, but it can be night and day for certain monitors.
I like LCDs because my dorm room is the size of your closet. And on the 5th floor. 17" LCD 5 lbs. 17" CRT = broken back.
Since neither of these technologies will work on an LCD TV (no scan beam to track) is anyone aware of functional replacements for 3D viewing and gun tracking? Sure, my retro collection is useless no matter what, but is there any hope for the future?
Thanks for putting it in more comprehensible terms, but that only helps us Americans. Do you think you can convert that to even more intuitive units like Rolex watches or pirated CD values?
I still use a CRT, although its as big as a house. I use it because I am under the convention that CRT displays graphics better, sharper testures, lines etc... I know the LCDs have come along way but graphics are as sharp as CRTs. I haven't done any testing on this theory other than what I read a few years ago. So my question is are LCD's up to par now with CRTs in this arena? If so I would switch to save me some desk space.
OMFG I had to help a friend move a 36" Sony TV down 4 flight of stairs...that alone required use of an inclined plane to slide the TV down as it was just too dmned hard to hold onto. Thank goodness for apartments with sliding closet doors that come off their tracks :D
I find the images are a bit warmer (or maybe that's just the tube).
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My main reason for getting an LCD monitor for my home computer system is the size & weight issue. I want a 19" screen and a CRT equivalent would take up most of my desk including requiring the screen to be right up to the edge to make room for the back of the tube. The weight of a large CRT would damage my desk not to mention my back when moving it.
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For those people that live in apartments in urban areas, flat screen TVs make perfect sense. If you are paying thousands for an apartment that is less than 1000 square feet, every square foot matters. If you live in a walkup, every pound matters.
Got one or more Sony Trinitron monitors or TVs that are in great operating condition?
;-)
Quit using them now (to stop wear & tear on the tube) and stash them away. When CRT monitors and TVs disappear from the market after a few more years and there will be no more spare replacement tubes available, you'll be able to sell a good working unit to the CRT addicts for much more money than they are worth on the used equipment market right now.
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I have a Sony 34" Wega HD and a couple of Sharp LCD TVs. While Sony beats them hands down on sound, Sharp's LCD quality is excellent and in many cases outperforms the Sony. The LCD weighs less, has less EMI and uses less electricity. I'd also be willing to bet is easier on the environment in manufacturing and recycling.
Your argument sounds like the guys who still like vinyl albums over cd's although with less technical facts and thought.
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Modern plasma screens (at least Panasonics) have a life of 80,000 hours. That is approx 3333 hours, which is nine years of uninterrupted play.
Since when is 80,000 hours approximately equal to 3,333 hours?
If you play fast moving games, don't buy an LCD screen. They may tell you it's fast (Xms !!!1) but they will still show a streak when a bright character is moving in front of a dark background.
LCDs suck for living room video as well, there are LCD types that are fast enough for video (TN type) but which distort their colours when viewed from the side even by a little bit. Sucks for the people at the ends of the couch. The other type of LCD has nice viewing angles but isn't fast enough for action sequences.
The type of display that combines all the good features of LCD and CRT is SED
They'll be available at the start of 2007 and might be affordable at the end of that year. Hopefully the manufacturers aren't too greedy to make a profit.
Stay with a CRT until then, if you can.
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"A good projection TV is indistinguishable from a plasma TV and costs half the price."
From dead-on, maybe. But stand up, or sit a few feet off to the side, and the brightness gets cut dramatically almost instantly.
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The minidisc could have done so much better in the US if Sony hadn't forced consumers to transcode their mp3's to ATRAC3 to put them on disc. Same with Sony's first HDD players. It could have continued even better if Sony had used it for PSP instead of inventing that stupid UMD disc (which for the most part seems to be a minidisc platter in a differnt sleeve).
I have had 3 Sony Trinitron's in the past decade and they have seen huge advancements and helped me through all my entertainment needs. I have owned a Sony Trinitron 27", a Sony Wega 27", and now my Sony Wega HD 34" XBR. The color reproduction on my 34" HDXBR can't be matched by any plasma, lcd, dlp, rear-projection crt, front-projection, you name it. CRT is still the standard when it comes to perfect contrast and color reproduction. The only place that I wish my CRT was a Plasma is when it comes to using it as a HTPC. Having a fixed pixel (i.e. 1280x720, 1280x768, 1366x768, 1920x1080) display is great when using it as a computer screen because there is absolutely no overscan or geometry issues. CRT's biggest downfalls really are that it doesn't have perfect geometery across the screen and it doesn't have uniform sharpness across the screen, the outside edges are always blurry in comparison to the center of the TV. For the purpose of a TV though this really doesn't make a difference though most of the time, because as long as there isn't a static picture on the screen (i.e. computer desktop) you would never see this. The most rewarding and exciting way to play computer games these days is in the dark and on a CRT HDTV. If you try to play in the dark on a LCD there is going to be white light from the backlight even on a 1000:1 contrast ration monitor. Not to mention that I can still see that LCD's aren't perfectly smooth like CRT's, even on 6ms response time LCD's! They don't ghost, they just stutter to the very sensitive eye (especially if you play a FPS). Please continue to provide me with quality CRT HDTV's Sony incase I ever need to buy another one before a new technology comes out to replace all these current ones.
sorry, 3333 days of uninterrupted play, though I suspect that you may have guessed that it was a typo/brainfart.
The brightness of CRTs hurts my eyes as well. That's why I TURN DOWN THE BRIGHTNESS. You know monitors are adjustable right?
LCDs don't give me the same controls unfortunately. You can't get the brightness/contrast down low enough that it looks evenly bright on white/black. It either looks washed-out, or much too bright on light colors, and much too dark on dark colors... etc.
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We have a couple of those 44" Mitsubishis where I work. They're
beautiful TV's, but we had to build a special heavy duty cart
to move one around on. The other is in a "kiosk" exhibit, and
has a problem with the HV circuit. It is literally too heavy to
be safely moved from its current location to be serviced. Those
things are at least 200 lbs, and front-heavy.
Are there even CRT's available in 1080P? Seems like LCD is the only way to get "true" hdtv resolution.
the other thing lcds give is very sharp pixel edges which is imo a good thing on monitors but bad on TVs.
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
Except that, you can't produce/manufacture big-screen televisions.
The main advantage of flat-panel tv (lcd or pdp) is that companies can produce gigantic screen like 50" or 60" or even 100" somewhat economically. You could possibly buy a projection tv with those types of dimensions but projection tv have even worse display quality than flat-panel tv.
So under 30", CRTs rule and will maintain its dominance for a while (2~3 years). But you can't even find any CRT tvs greater than 36" in any volume.
Television manufacturers are betting that consumers will easily sacrifice some quality in favor of having a big screen (for watching dvd, watching sports, etc)
i just went out and bought 5 keytronic keyboards. the word is that keytronic stopped selling to europe altogether.
even their keytronic-europe.com domain seems discontinued and squatted.
so - does anyone has suggestions, whats second-best after keytronic?
(no, don't suggest logitech - they KBs feel like swamp and the one i tried had a MISSING FUCKING INSERT KEY)
(and if possible - i'll try to refrain from buying MS products too)
He's just got his karma up, and he's about to goatse us.
Minidisc transcoding was done without the user even noticing. It may have made it hard for Linux users (read: 0.5% of the market) to use, since they would have to write a transcoder in C themselves, but for Windows users, it was easy.
In Europe we have recent environmental legislation, which makes the retailer responsible for the disposal/recycling of electronic products for the *entire life* of that product. If your customer buys a TV from you, in 20 years they can make YOU collect and recycle/dispose of it. This has obvious cost implications for the retailer. CRT screens are NOT easy to recycle into anything useful - you can't use the recycled glass for foodstuffs for instance. In an industry where margins of 1 or 2% can make or break a retailer, it's understandable that they'd go for the lighter, more easily recycled/disposed of option - LCD screens.
Maybe this is another nail in the coffin of CRTs?
The poster may be a troll but his comment isn't. Transcoding degrades music quality and people with large libraries of music didn't appreciate having the size of their collection double on disk just so they could use it on their MD.
Apple actaully let folks use whatever bitrate they wished (rather than three to six choices like Sony). I would have abandoned Minidisc far sooner if the iPod had had the battery life and recording abilities an MD unit did.
The CRT TV plants are only to be closed in 2008. Geez, will they be able to sell both CRT TVs they still plan to build then?
Oh well, what the hell...
Television manufacturers are betting that consumers will easily sacrifice some quality in favor of having a big screen (for watching dvd, watching sports, etc)
The problem is that when you increase size AND decrease quality, the flaws become even more evident.
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The colors still aren't quite as good as CRT, nor the blacks, but they're very, very close. It's leaps beyond RP LCD (or DLP) (I say as an LCD and previous CRT HDTV owner).
The contrast ratio on the new TVs is listed as 5,000:1, for whatever that means. And the response time is 3.5ms.
I don't know how fake those numbers are. I'll just say this. I saw one, and it's incredible. It uses the same technology that knocked people's socks off at $40K with the Qualia 004. Some said the picture was "perfect". Well, maybe it's not perfect, but it's incredible. Good LCOS units like this one will tear away all but the most diehard of diehard CRT fans.
http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/8/20/95
Several months back it started becoming impossible to find Sony's PVM series of professional broadcast monitors. Then I was told by my Sony distributor that Sony had ended all production of the PVM monitors. This caught me off guard, because the PVM monitors are THE standard in the video production industry. As has been mentioned, we're simply not at the point where you can judge color-accuracy on an LCD or plasma or whatnot. But then you have to consider, what are people color-correcting to, if there are so many display standards out there now, and NTSC is about to fade away in another few years? It's a very confusing time for the broadcast/video industry.
Methinks the superior resolution and image quality of those CRTs you're stockpiling won't mean much when the computer you're borrowing from Microsoft won't trust you to play HD movies on it.
You're right of course. The moderation system can take care of these folks more effectively if they're ignored.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
All these posts, and nobody has mentioned the latest TV technology: SED._ display/
:-)
http://www.canon.com/technology/detail/device/sed
IMHO this will blow away all other flat-panel technologies (assuming nobody sells a triple-MEMS version of the DLP design, thus eliminating the color wheel). SED has low profile and uses the same phosphor screen as CRTs. Aside from price and having to wait a year or two for the USA rollout, SED is perfect.
https://app.box.com/WitthoftResume Code: https://github.com/cellocgw