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Giant Rock Growing in Mount St. Helens' Crater

An anonymous reader writes to mention a CNN article about the huge geological formation growing in Mount St. Helens' crater. From the article: "The fin-shaped mass is about 300 feet tall and growing 4 feet to 5 feet a day, said Dan Dzurisin, a geologist at the U.S. Geological Survey. The rock in the crater began growing last November, steadily moving west and pushing rock and other debris out of its way as it goes." Scientists think the mountain will eventually replace the lave dome blown out by the original 1980 eruption.

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  1. Lave by drwtsn32 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Red hot lave?

  2. Is it just me? by isecore · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I guess st helen can expect to have her world rocked pretty soon!

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    1. Re:Is it just me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the LOVE OF LAVE!!

      Yes, yes. "St. Helen" will definitely be doing the breakdancing (!?!?!)

    2. Re:Is it just me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      get the "HP4SIGN" program and you can make it say even better stuff.
      Like right after the admin replaces the toner cartridge:
      TONER STILL LOW

  3. Maybe it's not a rock by dotslashdot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe it's just happy to see you.

    1. Re:Maybe it's not a rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      i posted the very similar comment right below yours. Great minds think alike!

      ...or maybe we both just need to get laid really bad.

    2. Re:Maybe it's not a rock by Oldsmobile · · Score: 1

      "...or maybe we both just need to get laid really bad."

      You mean, get laid by something incredibly large and mountanous sporting a huge erection?

      Welllll.... whatever floats YOUR boat....

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    3. Re:Maybe it's not a rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It's a red rocket.

  4. Is that a rock in your pocket.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ...perhaps he's just really glad to see us?

    Or maybe it's that sexy mountain next door.

    1. Re:Is that a rock in your pocket.... by peacefinder · · Score: 4, Interesting
      "Or maybe it's that sexy mountain next door."

      Maybe so.
      "Northwest Indians told early explorers about the fiery Mount St. Helens. In fact, an Indian name for the mountain, Louwala-Clough, means "smoking mountain". According to one legend, the mountain was once a beautiful maiden, "Loowit". When two sons of the Great Spirit "Sahale" fell in love with her, she could not choose between them. The two braves, Wyeast and Klickitat fought over her, burying villages and forests in the process. Sahale was furious. He smote the three lovers and erected a mighty mountain peak where each fell. Because Loowit was beautiful, her mountain (Mount St. Helens) was a beautiful, symmetrical cone of dazzling white. Wyeast (Mount Hood) lifts his head in pride, but Klickitat (Mount Adams) wept to see the beautiful maiden wrapped in snow, so he bends his head as he gazes on St. Helens.

      -- Excerpt from: U.S. Department of Agriculture, Gifford Pinchot National Forest "Mount St. Helens" Brochure, 1980
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    2. Re:Is that a rock in your pocket.... by ccmay · · Score: 1
      Northwest Indians told early explorers about the fiery Mount St. Helens

      You know, if the bien-pensant Left finds bible-thumper Creation Science so ridiculous, why do they take these patently ridiculous Indian creation myths so seriously?

      More to the point, if the Park Service put the Ebenezer Baptist Church off-limits to all but Christians, there would be a national uproar. Yet if I want to visit the Sipapu in the canyon of the Little Colorado, or walk over Rainbow Bridge, I risk being arrested for violating the holy ground of certain Indian tribes.

      By all means, let's write down these silly stories for future generations to laugh at, but let's not give them any more intellectual respect or legal standing than we would to Bishop Usher and his fables of a world created ex nihilo in 4004 B.C.

      -ccm

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    3. Re:Is that a rock in your pocket.... by ccmay · · Score: 1
      Let me provide another example. Google "Sipapu" and go to the Images tab. You will see pages and pages of pictures of Sipapu Natural Bridge, and Sipapu Ski Area, and the "little sipapus" that lead into Hopi kiva chambers. But you will not see any pictures of the actual Sipapu, the Navel of the World. Google has scrubbed their database clean of images of the Sipapu, just as their Chinese site did with pix of the man standing in front of the tanks in Tienanmen square. I wonder what they would say if the Pope called up and asked them to take pictures of the Vatican off their site? It is to laugh.

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    4. Re:Is that a rock in your pocket.... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Who says the people criticising creation beliefs take these stories seriously?

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    5. Re:Is that a rock in your pocket.... by ComaVN · · Score: 1

      What exactly am I looking for here? I see lots of pictures of holes in the ground.

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  5. Tom Cruise will save us by zapwow · · Score: 0

    It's the Martians. They buried their attack force in Mt. St. Helens millenia ago, and now they've come to claim our world for themselves!

    1. Re:Tom Cruise will save us by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 1

      No no no. It is a fingernail of a gigantic cave troll. It just keeps growing & growing until the top crumbles off.

      Those pictures are a little freaky.

    2. Re:Tom Cruise will save us by StarfishOne · · Score: 1
      Shhhttt!!

      Didn't you sign that NDA about the script for M:I:IV yesterday?

      Tom

      P.S. You're fired! <python move>

    3. Re:Tom Cruise will save us by StarfishOne · · Score: 1
      Doh! I completely forgot to mention a possible deal with Intel too:

      M:I:IV... VIIV.. you're thinking what I'm thinking.. uhhu ;)

    4. Re:Tom Cruise will save us by iced_773 · · Score: 1


      Not Martians. It's Xenu. He's breaking free. Then Cruise really can save us!

      Or maybe I should just keep my mouth shut. I'm sure CmdrTaco doesn't need to get bullied^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hin trouble with the legal clowns^H^H^H^H^H^Hdepartment of the Church of Scientology again.

    5. Re:Tom Cruise will save us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't handle the truth, show me the money!!!

  6. Re:fp by Professr3 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Note to self: Do not give brother access to account.

  7. uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    this one time in geometry class i developed a 'huge formation', and then the teacher called me to work out a problem on the board!

    the girls all laughed at me. hopefully mt. st. helens won't have that problem.

    1. Re:uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this one time in geometry class i developed a 'huge formation', and then the teacher called me to work out a problem on the board!

      the girls all laughed at me. hopefully mt. st. helens won't have that problem.


      Do you go by the Imperial or metric 'huge'? I might have an explanation for you.

    2. Re:uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully you didn't have the eruption St. Helens had either...

    3. Re:uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      This happened to my friend MAK, leading to over 30 years of happy marriage.

  8. Just when you thought it was safe... by Jhon · · Score: 4, Funny
    The fin-shaped mass is about 300 feet tall and growing 4 feet to 5 feet a day
    It's a Land Shark!
    1. Re:Just when you thought it was safe... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1
    2. Re:Just when you thought it was safe... by frisket · · Score: 1

      No, it's just like that blackbody monolith we found on the moon 5 years ago... (oops, sorry, no-one knows about that, do they :-)

    3. Re:Just when you thought it was safe... by dpiven · · Score: 1

      "candygram..."

  9. Rebuilding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder how long it would take for the old dome to be rebuilt? Didn't find it anywhere in that article.

    1. Re:Rebuilding by anagama · · Score: 4, Informative

      The eruption caused a massive debris avalanche, reducing its summit from 9,677 feet (2,950 m) to 8,364 feet (2,550 m) in elevation. Cite. The mountain lost 1313 ft in its 1980 eruption. The article mentions the rock is rising 4-5 ft per day, and is 300 ft tall. It has 1003 ft to go, or about 250 days, assuming it continues at the same rate -- an unlikely assumption however because to replace the cone, it would need to not only rise to its former height, it would have to fill in the mile wide crater as well.

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    2. Re:Rebuilding by spun · · Score: 1

      Considering just the height, at five feet per day it would take less than a year to make up the approximately 1,000 feet of vertical height lost. But it's not just the height, half the damn mountain slid away. My guess is it will take a long time to fill in the crater left behind.

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    3. Re:Rebuilding by anagama · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Looking at the wikipedia article I linked above, it looks like 40-50 years at current rate to replace the dome (look at "2004-present activity" section). One nice thing is that there is a high res picture on wikipedia of the formation as opposed to CNN's thumbnail shots about 2/3 the size of their ads. A picture 3000 pixels wide is way more enjoyable than one 75 or 80 pixels wide -- you'd think CNN could foot the bill for an extra kb or so and post real pictures.

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    4. Re:Rebuilding by ozbird · · Score: 1

      The mountain lost 1313 ft in its 1980 eruption. The article mentions the rock is rising 4-5 ft per day, and is 300 ft tall. It has 1003 ft to go ... ... once the lava dome reaches the crater rim (the current summit.) The top of the dome is at 7155 ft so it has to grow 1209 ft to reach the rim, and 2213 ft (total) to reach the original summit height.

    5. Re:Rebuilding by livewire98801 · · Score: 1
      The first eruption happened the day before I was born. Maybe this year it'll be a birthday present :)

      St. Helens webcam, for those interested.

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    6. Re:Rebuilding by pizzaman100 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was in 4th grade when it blew. We lived about a 100 miles east (Sunnyside, WA). It looked like an atomic mushroom when it erupted. We got an inch of ash. In the middle of the day it was pitch black - pretty freaky. They closed school for a few days. The ash was mostly iron, so you could put a cow magnet in the dust and get all kinds of cool formations. Pretty fun for a kid.

    7. Re:Rebuilding by hollowedOut · · Score: 1

      The wikipedia article and picture that you are referencing refer to the 'whaleback' feature that was growing in 2004, and that it fell off last July. There are no pictures in the wikipedia article concerning the new fin-like feature. however, they do note that geologists expect this new feature to also break off within a few weeks, and that it is not currently as high as the whaleback feature was before it collapsed.

  10. good god, man by Connie_Lingus · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...it's Microsoft Bob, exacting his revenge!

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    1. Re:good god, man by geekoid · · Score: 2, Funny

      with any luck, it will go after it's creater!

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  11. She's gonna blow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arrrrr, mateys! She's gonna blow, I tell ya.

  12. Will the volcano have another major eruption? by SeaFox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Given the way things are going now, there's no hint of any sort of catastrophic eruptions," USGS geologist Tom Pierson said. "At any time, however, things can change."

    I hate quotes like that in news stories. They amount to "there's nothing happening right now, and I dont know if anything is going to happen, as the situation could change as soon as I finish telling you everything is fine". An eight-year-old could have offered us as much insight.

    1. Re:Will the volcano have another major eruption? by ZSpade · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The fin-shaped mass is about 300 feet tall and growing 4 feet to 5 feet a day

      Just what exactly is your definition of "nothing heppening right now"? Geologically, 5 feet a day is pretty rapid change.

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    2. Re:Will the volcano have another major eruption? by peacefinder · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but it sounds better than the real message: "As far as we can tell this is not very dangerous outside the crater, but volcanism is not a well-understod phenomenon. This volcano surprised and killed a lot of people 26 years ago. There might be severe and dangerous surprises ahead. If you hike up there this afternoon and get your head blown off, don't come crying to me."

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    3. Re:Will the volcano have another major eruption? by gardyloo · · Score: 2, Funny

      "If you hike up there this afternoon and get your head blown off, don't come crying to me."

          Sweet. If you can get your head blown off and go crying to anyone, I wanna know about it!

    4. Re:Will the volcano have another major eruption? by NMerriam · · Score: 4, Informative

      An eight-year-old could have offered us as much insight.

      Well, the difference is the eight year-old would be guessing.

      The USGS stating that it's stable now but is capable of changing at any moment without warning is useful information, because it makes explicit that if something terrible is to happen they won't be able to see indicators 24-48 hours in advance and thus warn people away. If you want to get away, there is no precursor activity that will tell you when, so you just basically have to go and wait, potentially for a long time.

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    5. Re:Will the volcano have another major eruption? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      I hate quotes like that in news stories. They amount to "there's nothing happening right now, and I dont know if anything is going to happen, as the situation could change as soon as I finish telling you everything is fine". An eight-year-old could have offered us as much insight.

      Blame retarded journalists. Seriously.

      Journalists asks Geologist
      "Is it going to blow up? [I hope it will... that would be a big story...]

      Geologist answers:
      [ /sigh...Trapped. I can't categorically just say "No", because the situation could change... and of course the answer isn't "Yes", so I have to make some pointless statement an 8 year old could have figured out. Hopefully they'll clue in that there is simply nothing of consequence to report on that.]

      "No. Its fine for now, nothing to worry about, but the situation could change."

      Journalist:
      [damn... no story... except for that part about the situation changing... I'll report that....]

      "Local geologist claims that while there is no reason to beleive there will be an eruption, he warns that the situation may change. We'll monitor the situation and provide hourly updates..."

      Geologist: [Dammit]

      Journalist:
      "In other news today, no terrorists were captured, but we might find one tomorrow so be vigilant... and the price of gas at the pump is reaching record highs but it could go down again if the situation changes. Stay tuned for an update on all of these breaking stories..."

      [I'm such a great journalist... ]

    6. Re:Will the volcano have another major eruption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that quote caught my eye as well. imo, it's just a geologist trying to make his job seem more interesting that it actually is... i mean, the guy studies rocks for a living... *sigh*

      nothin against geologists of course... =P

    7. Re:Will the volcano have another major eruption? by rhendershot · · Score: 1

      Like, ewwww. I wanna see it!

    8. Re:Will the volcano have another major eruption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate quotes like that in news stories.

      Poor baby.

      An eight-year-old could have offered us as much insight.

      No, actually, an eight-year-old could not have told us -- authoritatively -- that "there's no hint of any sort of catastrophic eruptions". As for "things can change", that's a standard disclaimer that intelligent cautious people commonly add, aware that too many people overgeneralize the way that Bertrand Russell's inductivist turkey did when it inferred, the day before Thanksgiving, that because the farmer had always fed it every morning, he would continue to do so.

    9. Re:Will the volcano have another major eruption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The USGS stating that it's stable now but is capable of changing at any moment

      He didn't say it is capable of changing at any moment. He said that there's no hint of any sort of catastrophic eruptions, but that "things" -- hints, indicators, etc. -- could change.

      it makes explicit that if something terrible is to happen they won't be able to see indicators 24-48 hours in advance and thus warn people away

      Do you have any idea what the word "explicit" means?

    10. Re:Will the volcano have another major eruption? by NMerriam · · Score: 1

      You're absolutely right, the statement was much more vague than I was giving it credit for.

      On rereading what he said, I think I was projecting my own knowledge of the situation and imagining what he was MEANING, rather than looking at his words which are pretty "anything could happen! on their face.

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    11. Re:Will the volcano have another major eruption? by ozbon · · Score: 1

      See, being Zaphod Beeblebrox does have its uses.

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  13. sulfuric lake by nicodemus05 · · Score: 1

    So this is only marginally on topic, but the story reminded me of a video I saw when I was a kid, I think featuring the Kraffts, that talked about a sulfuric lake caused by volcanic activity. I seem to recall the hosts of the video talking about someone's skin being eaten away by the acid in the lake, but I can't find anything on it in a quick google search. Has anyone else heard about this lake or this gruesome skin story? Now I've got the image in my head and I want to read more about it. I'm drawn to it like a train wreck. Well, a train carrying vats of sulfuric acid, at least.

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    1. Re:sulfuric lake by B5_geek · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:sulfuric lake by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      I remember that same video. I think it was for National Geographic's old show on TBS. Or maybe it was just a PBS Nova special. That was a damn long time ago.

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    3. Re:sulfuric lake by rsd-17 · · Score: 1

      Dude, you should rent/download "Dante's Peak". That exact scenario is played out when a Mount St. Helens like volcano in the Pacific North West blows its wad.

    4. Re:sulfuric lake by EricTheO · · Score: 1

      Java's Sulphur Miners of Kawah Ijen http://www.volcanicimages.com/kawa/kawaijen.html

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    5. Re:sulfuric lake by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      Your remembering a section from the movie Dante's Peak!

      Dantes_Peak_Movie_Volcano_Facts

        FACT 4: LAKES AROUND A STRATOVOLCANO CAN BE MORE ACIDIC

      Sulfur Dioxide is a gas common to volcanic eruptions. This gas, when dissolved in water, produces sulfuric acid, one of the worst known acids and one a person would definitely not want to come in contact with.
      Other gases dissolved in magma, hydrogen sulfide, hydrogen fluoride, hydrogen chloride and carbon dioxide, also contribute to the acidity of surrounding bodies of water.

      A pH of 0-2 (where 7 is neutral, and any number lower than that is acidic) is not impossible and the water can be quite corrosive to metal. If you think that the juice from a lemon is acidic, imagine water thousands of times more acidic than that! One definitely would not want to swim in water that is very close to an active stratovolcano.

      In a period of perhaps several hours, a thin metal wire could corrode away.

      Notice what happens to Grandma in the movie and also to the metal boat the actors try to escape in. Would you say that the events stay in line with the facts?

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    6. Re:sulfuric lake by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      Similar, but not the one the GGP and I were thinking of. That one was "Volcano: Nature's Inferno" (1990). It's 16 years old and I still remember the Krafft guy getting his hands burned by sulfuric and carbonic acid.

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    7. Re:sulfuric lake by Ponzicar · · Score: 1

      I think I remember this documentary having a section on that lake: http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movies/movie.html?v _id=34649

    8. Re:sulfuric lake by EricTheO · · Score: 1

      Was that the one where they went out in a yellow inflatable raft to take samples and measurements? That is the on I was thinking of and linking to.

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  14. I was living in Seattle when St. Helens blew by spun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It was on a Sunday if I recall (I was all of 9 years old)and I slept right through it. Some people claimed they could hear it, and you could see a funny shaped cloud on the horizon if you squinted real hard. I kept waiting for the predicted ash fall, but it never got as far as Seattle.

    I visited the mountain some years later, and I can't begin to describe how small I felt looking at the devestation. Miles and miles of forests flattened, all the trees lined up in the same direction, following the contours of the hills. Everything coated in a layer of fine ash. Scary, in a "look how freakin' insignificant you are" kinda way.

    If you ever go, be sure to bring a lantern and visit Ape Caves, a 5 mile long lava tube near the base of the mountain. It's an easy hike even if you've never been in a cave before, and unlike most caves the sole improvement is a rickety metal staircase leading down in the middle. You can hike 2.5 miles up and exit out where it collapsed, and/or hike 2.5 miles down and it gets really narrow and stops. (By "up" and "down" I just mean the thing runs down the side of the mountain, so one end is higher than the other, not that it goes straight up and down.)

    As for this latest development, 5 feet per day?! Wow, that's pretty dang fast. I'd heard a new lava dome was growing, but this speed is certainly a new develpment. Still, it will take a long time to get back to its former size. Over 1,000 vertical feet of mountain got blown off the top, and most of one side slid away.

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    1. Re:I was living in Seattle when St. Helens blew by peacefinder · · Score: 1

      Yep. Sunday May 18th, 1980. I was asleep, but my Dad rousted my brother and I out to go look when he got the news. From Southwest of Portland, the ash plume was a vertical column appearing thicker than my thumb held at arms length. It was quite a sight.

      And if anyone is ever in the area, the view from the Johnston Ridge observatory is amazing.

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    2. Re:I was living in Seattle when St. Helens blew by value_added · · Score: 2, Funny

      It was on a Sunday if I recall (I was all of 9 years old)and I slept right through it...

      It was Tuesday. In time it came to be known as Mount St. Helens Tuesday.

      That was one day before Wednesday.

      Which came to be known as ...

      wait for it ...

      Ash Wednesday.

    3. Re:I was living in Seattle when St. Helens blew by kerrbear · · Score: 1

      As for this latest development, 5 feet per day?! Wow, that's pretty dang fast. I'd heard a new lava dome was growing, but this speed is certainly a new develpment. Still, it will take a long time to get back to its former size. Over 1,000 vertical feet of mountain got blown off the top, and most of one side slid away.

      It's now 300 feet tall. So by your reckoning it will take (1000 - 300) / 5ft/day = 140 days. That should make it back to original height by late September. So I guess it's not that long.

      Sorry, I just can't resist doing this stuff :-)

    4. Re:I was living in Seattle when St. Helens blew by aquatone282 · · Score: 1

      It was a Sunday.

      I was eighteen, living a few miles north of Olympia on Puget Sound, sleeping off a night of partying. I came downstairs about ten a.m. and my parents asked me if I'd heard "it."

      Heard what, I asked?

      St. Helens erupted they told me, sometime between 8 and 9 that morning.

      Nope - I didn't hear it. It's hard to hear anything when you're passed out.

      It was a a week or two before we saw any of the ash. Richland, Pasco, and Kennewick on the other side of the Cascades got buried though.

      Seven years later I visted the Mount St. Helens National Monument for the first time. The blast area, where the "experts" had said it would take 100 hundred years for any form of life to return to, was already covered with low brush and Douglas Fir saplings.

      I live in Florida these days. I put the Volcanocam on my Google page. Now I watch the sun light up the crater in the mornings - or sometimes I don't. You know how the weather is in the Pacfic Northwest. . .

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    5. Re:I was living in Seattle when St. Helens blew by strikethree · · Score: 1

      The ash may not have made it to Seattle, but there was about an inch of it on our cars in Denver Colorado.

      strike

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    6. Re:I was living in Seattle when St. Helens blew by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

      I have a similar remembrance of the day.

      It was on a Sunday if I recall (I was all of 9 years old)and I slept right through it.
      Yeah, I was a bit older but I too slept right through it.

      I kept waiting for the predicted ash fall, but it never got as far as Seattle.
      Me too and it never got as far as Amsterdam.

      Just kidding. Don't take it too serious... And don't touch that mod buttttoooooonn. Aaaargh.....

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    7. Re:I was living in Seattle when St. Helens blew by s-orbital · · Score: 1

      The top of the crater is 1000 feet below the old summit of the mountain. The growing bugle is in the bottom of the crater, which is quite a bit lower.

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  15. Hunka Hunka Burning Lava? by billstewart · · Score: 1

    or just one of those lamps?

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  16. Just reassuring locals by dietrollemdefender · · Score: 1

    I took it that he was reassuring folks that right now, there's no need to panic or anything like that. I'm sure there's plenty of folks who lived through the first eruption are getting a little freaked right now.

    1. Re:Just reassuring locals by anubi · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yeh, it makes me think of the physics behind Old Faithful.

      Except we get lava, not hot water.

      I think we all know how a "relaxation oscillator" works, and Mt. St. Helens sure looks like the physical implementation of one to me.

      The difference is the volcano has the phase change difference of the liquid lava forming a dense rock upon cooling which introduces a significant chaotic factor into the dwell time, so no one knows just when its gonna cycle.

      Not the thing for a good night's sleep.

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  17. 3d info - fly throughs by drDugan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    it seems that 3d virtual environments are getting pretty good. lots of people playing WOW and 2nd life, simms...

    When I see an article like this - I want a 3D environment. I want to download the "map -o- the crater" and be able to fly around and see what it's really like there.

    it wouldn't need to be that detailed, or be a replacement for pictures. it's just that I can't seem to get a sense for the size or the scope of what we're talking about.

    3D standards litter the last 10 years like dead bodies in war zones - but it still is nice to dream.

    1. Re:3d info - fly throughs by AaronPSU777 · · Score: 1

      Google Earth has it modeled in fairly good detail and you can fly around it all you want, zoom in, pan, etc. http://earth.google.com

    2. Re:3d info - fly throughs by drDugan · · Score: 1

      yup - that worked pretty well! the search even worked. previous attempts with google earth were lackluster. surpising to me, this time I typed in Mount St. Helens and zooooooom right to the mountain. no shark fin visible though. :(

    3. Re:3d info - fly throughs by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      Microsoft Flight Simulator isn't especially high-resolution, but it's definitely there. It's been several years since I've seen that; they may have improved it in recent versions.

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    4. Re:3d info - fly throughs by dlelash · · Score: 1

      Try Google Earth. (Granted it's not current, but they have a great 3D rendition of the crater as of a couple years ago.)

  18. *knock* *knock* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Land Shark!

  19. Hmmm by GmAz · · Score: 1
    Scientists think the mountain will eventually replace the lave dome blown out by the original 1980 eruption

    Or, it will explode like it did in 1980. Hmm...it had a large formation back then and exploded, it is making a large formation now, but will just fill in the GIHUGION crater it made the first time. How bout gather your stuff up now and run for it.

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  20. It's the Prince! by Jaiwithani · · Score: 0

    Katamari do your best!

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  21. Spherical Spacecraft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually it's a section of the huge spherical spacecraft that crashed to earth long ago, punching a hole in the crust which resulted in the volcano. The wreckage is now being pushed to the surface.

    You heard it here, first!

  22. And Bors, that's five. No, three sir! by spun · · Score: 1

    Apparantly Ape Cave is only three miles long, not five, according to wikipedia, which is never, ever wrong. But it is still the third longest lava tube in the US. Must have seemed bigger when I was eleven.

    Three. Three. And we'd better not risk another frontal assault. That rabbit's dynamite.

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    1. Re:And Bors, that's five. No, three sir! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's really closer to four.

    2. Re:And Bors, that's five. No, three sir! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, I'll go fix Wikipedia, then.

  23. Whoa... by Red+Samurai · · Score: 1

    Looks like Sin from FFX.

    1. Re:Whoa... by MenTaLguY · · Score: 1

      I was thinkin' Lavos originally, but ... dang, yeah.

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  24. volcano cam by drDugan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    TFA links to a "volcano cam"

    http://www.fs.fed.us/gpnf/volcanocams/msh/

  25. Another remake? by nytes · · Score: 1

    I remember seeing this movie before.

    Can't Hollywood do anything original anymore?

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  26. Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bullshit. You forgot to tick 'Post Anonymously' in your hurry to get FP, didn't you? Be a man, and admit it.

  27. Re:I for one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah yes, that final boss from Quake, right?!?

  28. before and after pics by drDugan · · Score: 2, Interesting
    1. Re:before and after pics by Khyber · · Score: 1

      holy hell, I think we need to go after nature for having WMDs that powerful. :P

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    2. Re:before and after pics by chinton · · Score: 1

      Wow is right. Now, remember there was someone standing where the webcam is on the day of the Big One.

  29. Nanotech Spaceship? by billstewart · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's how the dolphins are planning to get off the planet.

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    1. Re:Nanotech Spaceship? by Methuseus · · Score: 1

      So how long til the Vogons start rattling my windows for speakers?

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  30. I think the question on everyone's mind is... by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 1

    Who's the lucky father?

    Thank you, thank you.
    Try the veal, and don't forget to tip your waitress.

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    1. Re:I think the question on everyone's mind is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "That's not a Helen. That's a Herman!"

  31. a minor error... by david_bonn · · Score: 1

    The lava dome was was not blown out in the 1980 eruption. The upper thousand-plus feet of the mountain were blown out. A lava dome formed in the time period after the major eruptions of 1980 and that lava dome was blown out later, I think around 1985.

  32. deliberately buried... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its origin and purpose still a total mystery.

  33. Gross by orion119net · · Score: 1

    The universes largest pimple.

  34. Cannon Ball by peterfa · · Score: 0

    One of these days pressure is going to build up, there will be another erruption, and that ball will be blown into outer-space.

  35. Detective John Kimble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "IT'S NOT A TUMOR!"

    1. Re:Detective John Kimble by Burning+Plastic · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean

      "Dahht's not a Tumaah"

      ???

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  36. Old news and faulty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The current eruption has been going on since september/october 2004 and has built 7 of these formations, named spines, so far. This last one is not even the largest of these.

    The old lava dome was not built during the "1980 eruption" which was a Plinian, explosive event triggered by a massive landslide. The old lava dome was built during quiescent eruptions, just like this one, in the period 1980-1986.

  37. -- I was camping near the blast zone by kefler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was pretty young.. but I sort of remember..

    It was a Sunday (for the first bigger eruption in 1980). We were supposedly in the 'safe zone', but we all know how that went. We had just gotten up out of the tents when the ground shook continuously for minutes like an earthquake.. Then we could see a grey cloud rising up near the horizon.

    Very quickly, the cloud appeared to go so high that it was over us. There was lightning at the edge of the cloud. Rain began to fall immediately, I remember it was warm and black.. Looking closely at a drop you could see the individual ash particles.

    By that time, we had pulled up the tent with everything in side it and threw it in the back of the truck in a single motion.

    The ride back to Yakima, WA was slow, and the visibility was just about zero. It was hard to breath and the roads were jammed with panic'd people.. We later found out that the campground we were at was covered in a large amount of burning hot mud.

    When we got home there was ash everywhere, and it stayed dark for what seemed like days. I remember wearing a mask for weeks afterwards to go outside.

  38. Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Giant Rock Growing in Mount St. Helens' Crater

    Oh, yeah. No innuendo there.

  39. Does it run Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it does, you cant stop it. It will be impervious to
    spam, viruses, and all other malware.

  40. There's actually a book about that by Chemisor · · Score: 1

    I recall reading a book about a nanotech mountain suddenly appearing on earth. It was in the Death Valley though, and was actually a fake spaceship, placed there by hostile aliens about to destory the planet. We ought to look around there and see if there are any anvil-headed aliens lying nearby. The book was The Forge of God by Greg Bear, and it wasn't particularly good, although one might want to read it for background, complimentary to its sequel, The Anvil of Stars, which is superb.

    1. Re:There's actually a book about that by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      Ah, good info!

      I had read Forge of God but never knew that there was a follow-up book. (Think I picked up Forge of God at a used-book sale or at a used-book store.)

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  41. Re:I for one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you mean overlady!

  42. That's why we need by evronm · · Score: 4, Funny

    Giant paper.

    1. Re:That's why we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the giant scissors!

  43. Shark! Shark! by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Funny

    Everybody out of the lava right now!

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  44. New York Times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was in the Science times about 3 months ago.

  45. Re:Maybe it's not a rock... Or, maybe it's by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    an anneuroid or a hemorrhism. Or, just a volcanic hemorrhoid...

    It's a good thing that kind of thing doesn't follow a heavy night of drinking or too much cake and sausage and soda pop...

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  46. Eight-year old? by vwjeff · · Score: 1

    "...there's nothing happening right now, and I dont know if anything is going to happen, as the situation could change as soon as I finish telling you everything is fine. An eight-year-old could have offered us as much insight."

    This looks more like the work of Geraldo Rivera. Comparing the reporting to the work of an eight-year old is giving more credit than deserved. Geraldo is a better baseline for comparison.

  47. KFC by packetmill · · Score: 0

    Can you go there on foot? bcz before long people will be visiting that place and staring in wonder and then the lava will erupt and then...

    1. Re:KFC by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1
      bcz before long people will be visiting that place and staring in wonder and then the lava will erupt and then...

      ...and then Darwin rules the day.

  48. is that... by penguin-collective · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Is that a fin-shaped geological formation growing in your crater just before an eruption, or are you just happy to see me?

    (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)

  49. this is normal by buldir · · Score: 2, Informative

    This latest activity is normal for a volcano that typically erupts more silicic lava. The magma at depth is generally more viscous and after an eruption the momentum of the magma migration slows, but still continues to rise up through the vent due to residual pressure beneath the volcano. This type of thing occurs quite a bit at another volcano in Kamchatka, Russia, called Bezymianny. The dome builds up, then collapses, then rebuilds, etc. The USGS should no doubt be concerned with the growth of the dome at MSH, as a major collapse can easily cause a pyroclastic flow...nasty stuff. Questions remain, however, how much more magma is beneath the volcano and what is the rate of replenishment?

  50. The Monolith Arrives by natedubbya · · Score: 1
    I'm surprised I'm the first one to post this. But it is clearly a monolith, as foretold in the movie, 2001: A Space Odyssey. Doom and destruction is sure to follow. Gather your belongings and make for the hills. If you look closely, you can see some apes jumping up and down in front of it.


  51. NASA 3D Flyover and links to USGS info and images by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This isn't bad for a flyover prior to the current eruption: http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=1549, which should give you a sense of scale. Combine this with some of the images from the links below, and you'll have a much better sense of it. Visiting is of course best.

    The model is from an earlier image series by NASA, prior to this building/eruption stage which started last late September/early October. The current fin is actually one of a series, with the first characterized as the whale back as I remember it, with each crumbling eventually, losing elevation, and another fin starting further to the West and South I believe. Details at the excellent USGS site for Helens and the eruption: http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/Cascades/Curre ntActivity/current_updates.html

    Also, the main page: http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/MSH/Eruption04 /framework.html

    Image pages (AMAZING shots, thermal images, etc): http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/MSH/Images/MSH 04/framework.html.

  52. Re: Large Rock by Mediocre+At+Best · · Score: 0

    Were Bobby and Whitney in that helicopter?

  53. video already please? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ferchrissake, someone tell them to make some time lapse video already!

    This' got to be the one of the most active geological events going (i.e., building an entire stinkin' mountiain in, like, 5 years?), and all they got is a couple of still shots.

    1. Re:video already please? by Eyeball97 · · Score: 1

      "The fin will only grow so far before the inherent weakness in its structure, along with gravity, causes it to collapse. Since the current volcanic activity began in October, 2004, there have been several fins and spires that have grown and collapsed. However, this is the first one visible from the VolcanoCam.

      This image was taken on May 5, 2006, at 10:45 am PDT. You may click on the image to view it full-size."


      There's already a webcam up there...

    2. Re:video already please? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the Mount St. Helens VolcanoCam has been operating since 1995 or early 1996. Except for a brief period in 2003-2004 when the original camera died, the USDA Forest Service has had a camera pointed at Mount St. Helens for more than ten years.

  54. ...but not comforting by Alan+the+Prof · · Score: 1

    IANAV (I am not a vulcanologist), and don't want to seem alarmist to the good people of Washington state, but doesn't this look worryingly like the prelude to a pelean type eruption?

    (Named after the eruption in 1902 of Montaigne Pelee on the island of Martinique, which killed some 20,000 people.)

  55. Climbers by Bazman · · Score: 1

    Any rock jocks out there want to put up some new routes?

  56. You know what we need?... by deadphoenix · · Score: 2, Funny

    .. giant paper and giant scissors.

  57. NO KILL I by TMA1 · · Score: 0

    NO KILL I

  58. Obscure SR reference by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

    The Great Ghost Dance has begun. Beware! Seattle!

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  59. Old News by trigggl · · Score: 2, Informative
    This news is so old, the fin has already fallen over. The fin was reaching heights as high as part of the lowest parts of the crater rim, but has now fallen over. I didn't bother to read the article because I've been following this since the mountain became active again. It's errupting about a truckload of lava/rock a second. If memory serves, at the current rate, it will rebuild in something like 20 years.

    I was in Eugene, Oregon when it blew in the 80's. I heard and felt a double blow all the way from there. All the Windows in the neighborhood were rattling. The news may keep saying it blew the top off, but that's wrong. Most of the mountain came down in a landslide. Once the landslide started, the pressure blew up and in the direction of the slide. It's the biggest landslide in recorded history. Watch out because when Rainier slides, it will be bigger. Scientists believe it's overdue. There are deposits from a previous slide in Seattle.

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  60. My mistake, this is a second fin by trigggl · · Score: 2, Informative

    I guess I should have RTFA.

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  61. Multiple choice by peacefinder · · Score: 1

    A) It's not a creation myth
    B) Neither I nor the USGS take it any more seriously than any other myth
    C) It's a follow-up to a comment that is obviously a joke
    D) All of the above
    E) User ID 116316's sense of humor is down for maintenance today.

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  62. And it glows in the dark... by dazza101 · · Score: 1

    As the lavadome and spike grows, small rock-falls happen quite regularly. When they happen at night, the hot rock glows in the near-IR and is captured by the US Forest Service Volcanocam http://www.fs.fed.us/gpnf/volcanocams/msh/. There's also a website that collects the individual images and generates daily animations of outbursts of the volcano http://www.luscombe-carter.com/mount_st_helens/ind ex.html.

  63. Pressure Cooker by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    This just might cause another big boom .. Stick your finger in the dike, eventually it will burst..

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  64. I got a bad feeling... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that either Godzilla or aliens in space ships are gonna spring out of that. In either case they're gonna start destroying everything in their path.

    So how do we give them directions to Redmond?

  65. Broken off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently back in July the tip of the "whaleback fin" broke off.

    OMG
    Brokeback Mountain?!?

  66. Is that a huge geological formation in your pants by csoto · · Score: 1

    ...or are you just happy to see me?

    Thank you. Here all week.

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