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Fedora Core 6 Preview
An anonymous reader writes "Earlier this week Jesse Keating announced the availability of Fedora Core 6 Test 1. New items in FC6T1 include Intel Macintosh support (well, mostly), update notification applet, GNOME 2.15, KDE 3.5.3, and the Fedora Core 6 Extras development repository is already available. With FC6T1's availability, Phoronix has published their own preview of this release. The article is focused on an editorial about changes to come for Fedora Core 6, as well as images from Fedora Core 6 Test 1. The next Fedora Core 6 testing release (Test 2) is due out in July, while the final release is due out this September."
I switched to Ubuntu and never looked back. RedHat was cool back in 1998. Now, frankly speaking, Fedora looks ugly.
Yawn...
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
I started to use fedora a few months ago and really like it. The main problem I find with it is they seem too willing to update too quickly. I was speaking on a forum about the problems I was having (Kernel update 2107 had real problems) I was told "core 5 is very new, it will get more stable over the coming months"... I kind'a feel like they should make core 5 as stable and as good as it can be and keep it going for about a year or two from when it is completely setled. The only reason that I am a little worried is I'm pretty sure yum will update me to core 6 automatically if i forget to "--exclude" everytime I do a update
Still, it is a really lovely distro (I know it sounds like I slagged it off)... but give it a go : D
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is dying. Still have to hunt for packages to fix the broken RPMs.
Can that be done yet?
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Do I still need to jump through ridiculous hoops to get mp3 support in rhythmbox and get *any* support in totem?
Out of the box, Totem can't play *anything*.. completely useless.
At least make it like Ubuntu, where I can add a repository that has all the stuff they can't ship in the box.
I used to date Jesse Keating. She was not bad looking. yep, CUPS.
Red Hat view (or at least did when I was in Raleigh last September) FC as an incubator for RHEL.
I discussed the release frequency and period of support, and they were pretty unsympathetic to the user's point of view. Their requirement is fast turnaround of new releases to ensure a strong test of new technologies / versions of new packages.
This has some upsides, like the multipathing support in RHEL4, Update 3 which means we can finally do away with Veritas on most of our machines. But it can suck for the user.
On one hand it can suck for the user, however, on the other, it's pretty darned nice having the latest release of everything, integrated (mostly) tested and working. True, it's not for everyone - for those people there's RHEL or even Debian. For those of us that like the bleeding edge (in a desktop distro I don't mind, never would I use it for a server though) it's the best thing since sliced bread.
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As someone whose been using Fedora since Core 1, this release seems more evolutionary. Even without major changes between releases, the accumulated bug fixes contribute to a desktop that 'works' better and has the functionality I need. We all remember the bad old days of manually mounting your USB peripherals.. well now I have suspend, easy networking (thanks to NetworkManager) and useful stuff like Beagle to play with, so thats quite good progress. This release will be worthwhile just to get the latest of everything, and it looks as if some nice eye-candy will be ready in GNOME 2.16.
I personally would like to see a general reduction in memory usage in GNOME and various apps; it's been moving in the right direction, I hope it stays that way. I believe there is an effort to remove various deprecated libraries to help here.
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The ridiculous hoop you have to jump through is to simply type:
rpm -ivh http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release-5.rpm
Why do I have to type something at the command line to get basic multimedia support? Can't they just make a button during the install that you can press to get 'illegal' software. The button could read:
'I want to play mp3 files and I don't care if it's illegal. I take full responsibility for my actions.'
or:
'Software patents don't apply in my country, give me an mp3 player already!'
Why do they make you use the command line? It doesn't make sense.
I'll probably be modded down for this...
Why shouldn't every Fedora user jump ship to Ubuntu, where everything 'just works', its LINUX, you can run everything you need and all your hassles go away?
What is the point of the continuing development of Fedora? Isn't it time that everyone put their effort into developing and refining one distribution for the masses? The duplication of effort that is going into these nearly parralell distributions is totally insane.
From Wikipedia:
If that is all Fedora is about, its time to stop working on Fedora and switch all that effort to Ubuntu, since it does what Fedora is meant to do much better.
Come to think of it, it would be great to have a Ubuntu utility that allows you to convert a Fedora install into a Ubuntu install so that it is simple to jump ship and join that momentum.
Thats more than one question...bleh.
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Redhat hacks KDE beyond the feel and proper use of KDE. Fedora replaces a lot of QT applets with GTK ones to perform a lot of functions. KDEsu is a prime example although there is others.
If you are a KDE fan, than you're being shortchanged if you run Fedora or Redhat products.
SuSE used to be a great product, but 10.1 had so many problems I've lost confidence.
Give Mandrake, Gentoo, Kubuntu a try.
I would like to check this out, but I don't have a spare partition. Is there a live CD of the development snapshot available?
I run Fedora Core (from 2, now at 5) at home. What is this 'RPM Hell' you're talking about?
I just recently updated from 4 to 5 and did some updates and now gnome is totally hosed. My repo list is fairly conservative, updates-released, extras, and livna. I checked on fedora forums last night and apparently it has bitten some more folks as well. What seemed to happen is loss of PNG support (maybe something else as well), which means a lot of icons don't show up and some of the gnome apps simply don't work. It be real, real ugly, I know it is the worst I have seen with any of my linux installs. I'm still finding more stuff that is broken. I think I will be forced to reinstall or go with something else at this point.
I think fast release cycles are *too fast*. Once a year ought to be fast enough. 2-3 releases.....I don't see a need anymore, we have a ton of functionality, what needs to be there is stable and secure functionality. Teh grand supreme fedora overlords council might want to think on that some.
I'm amazed there's no mention of this yet, with all the fuss about XGL and Compiz recently...
The FC development repo (so I assume FC6T1 has it as well) includes AIGLX, a different approach to the accelerated desktop thing. The metacity that comes with Core has support for a few effects (like wobbling windows), but if you want to try the cube and othe compiz goodies, Kristian has an RPM of compiz for AIGLX here. Just install it and voilá: eye candy goodness.
When I went from FC3 to FC4, I was in an excited rush only to be disappointed by some bugs with sound and stuff. I was already accustomed to tweaking and figuring things out, but over the past couple of years, I have grown weary of it and prefer things to just work. As FC5 grew near, I was really hopeful that they learned lessons from the problems of FC4. But somehow, in my continuous updating of my laptop, ATI had finally gotten around to fixing their proprietary driver to allow for suspend to RAM/Disk. I had all but given up on ever having successful hibernation on my laptop, but when I discovered that it worked, I became very excited by the announcement of FC5test#.
I downloaded and installed it on another hard drive. Went straight for suspend and it just worked out of the box flawlessly. I think I might have wet my pants... it was some time ago and my memory is hazy on the details, but there was urination at some point immediately surrounding the event... maybe I closed the lid on my laptop, took a piss and came back to find that the laptop was able to resume where it left off. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was it. Anyway, I decided FC5 wasn't coming fast enough for me.
When FC5 arrived, I was not disappointed in the least. And with only one problem with periodic "yum" updates, FC5 scores an almost perfect record in my opinion.
Now there's FC6 around the corner? Why? I'm REALLY happy with FC5. I don't need FC6. Of course I will upgrade though. FC5 development will slow down and stop eventually. But I doubt I will scramble for FC6 without something really compelling. The improvements from the summary don't indicate anything compelling to me.
As for competing distros? Ubuntu is the name being used most. I still haven't tried it. It's not what I'm used to, and that's reason enough for me... for now. Maybe one day I'll bump into an Ubuntu user with the OS on his laptop and I'll get a demo I can appreciate. But where Fedora Core is concerned, I feel very well supported with RPMs available for everything I can think of. Only on rare occasion do I find myself stealing RPMs built for other distros because it's not available for FC5. And that's mostly due to the "I don't want to get sued" mentality coming from RedHat.
So yeah, that's the only beef I have with Fedora Core -- the "we don't support MP3 because we're scared" thing. Did the patent on GIF run out already? How much time left on MP3?
I'm still on FC3. So can one go form FC3 to FC6 directly?
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Did they put the "Install Everything" button back in yet?
If not, I'm not interested.
When I can apt-get dist-upgrade from a previous FC release, then I'll consider installing it. Reinstalling from scratch every 6 months is not what I consider a smooth upgrade path.
Based on http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%2C+fedora+%7 C+fc5+%7C+fc4+%7C+fc3%2C+RHEL+%7C+redhat+%7C+red+h at%2C++suse%2C+debian&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all at Google Trends, my belief is that RH and Fedora are losing ground while Ubuntu is making a serious run at becoming the most popular distribution.
I'm still using FC5 on my desktop for now, largely because I found it the simplest to 'extend' with non-vendor apps and drivers (such as the proprietary ATI drivers and the intense multimedia support available via the Livna repository to replace the frankly useless sound and video "support" in the vanilla FC5). I am fairly likely to stick with it either until FC7 or until Ubuntu reaches the critical mass where most app and driver vendors explicitly support it as a preferred distro.
I can count at least 10 times I've seen this post in fedora threads (including bad grammer).
If an officer ever threatens to taze you, say you have a pacemaker.
Why did u leave trolltalk?!?!
...let me reply to some of the posts here:
H HHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did they put the "Install Everything" button back in yet? If not, I'm not interested.
Waaah!
New KDE, new Gnome, an updater, and CUPS? Yawn...
Waaaaahh!
I switched to ${ANOTHER_DISTRO} and never looked back.
Waaaaaaaaaahhhh!
If you are a KDE fan, than you're being shortchanged...
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggghhhh!
I'm REALLY happy with FC5. I don't need FC6.
Waaaah!!! Waaaah!!! Waaaaaaaaaaah!!!
The main problem I find with it is they seem too willing to update too quickly.
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Out of the box, Totem can't play *anything*.. completely useless.
Wah wah wah wah wah, wah wah wah, waaaaaaahhh!
Why do I have to type something at the command line to get basic multimedia support? Can't they just make a button...
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGH
[DISCLAIMER: This post is a joke. This post is only a joke. Had this post been intended to deliver actual derision or condescension it would have been supported by bad analogies, the anecdotal 'evidence' of a single user, and/or numerous mentions of other Linux distributions that are not germane to the current discussion. I apologize preemptively if anyone's fragile psyche was offended by this post. Additionally, I don't really have the authority to speak on Artie Lange's behalf.]
Don't you have someone you'd die for?
Looks like *BSD such as OpenBSD, NetBSD, or FreeBSD are also on the downward slope with Redhat but not as badly:C +FreeBSD+%7C+NetBSD+%7C+DragonflyBSD%2C+fedora+%7C +fc5+%7C+fc4+%7C+fc3%2C+RHEL+%7C+redhat+%7C+red+ha t%2C++suse%2C+debian&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all
http://www.google.com/trends?q=BSD+%7C+OpenBSD+%7
I've used Fedora on servers and workstations with no stability problems. I have servers running Fedora with years of uptime despite the heavy loads and interesting uses I put them under.
My only real complaint about Fedora is it's use of yum which I don't feel works as well as competitiors such as rug (command-line component of Red Carpet). If they coould bring yum's quality up to snuff I'd be pretty happy with it. It'd be nice if they could calm some of the fighting between offical and unoffical repos too. That's partly related to the poor quality of yum so it's all one issue IMO.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
Every comment I have read so far is about problems , when something is in this early stage they are not problems , any software designer knows you run beta versions and fix bugs but there not problems I assure you, can anyone tell me about a software program that has had no bugs in it or problems with it?
Ubuntu is just the latest buzzword distro. I've yet to see anything about it that really sets it apart anymore than any of the past buzzword distros. There are hundreds of distros but in my experience only two really matter - Debian and RedHat, now Fedora, are the ones that have stood the test of time. Most other distros are children to one of those two.
Rather than forking off endless similar child distros I'd rather see the distros work together. Why not merge the Debian and Fedora development efforts? Is there any real difference of goals so large that the teams couldn't, over time, resolve the differences?
There is really no need for yet another distro that does essentially the same things so I really see no point in Ubuntu or any of the other forks. If you're going to fork off your own distro then at least do something radical with your new direction.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
I installed and ran it on a new iMac with the Intel Duo Core processor with no problem. Install was pretty easy and all the rough spots were actually in Mac OS. The install didn't configure the monitor very well though.. setting it at 800x600 isn't so great. They'll have to do some more work on driver support too as I wasn't able to get the monitor to it's full 1680x1050 resolution and the sound doesn't seem to work. Networking does work. Haven't had time to try out the other hardware yet but it seems usuable for basic stuff. I expect it'll be pretty nice by the time it goes stable.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
I installed FC6T1 on a P4/Intel 865/1GB RAM system today, and already there were 125(!) updates, so it's something under very active development. The default kernel (2.6.16.xx) works, but the updated kernel 2.6.17.xx results in kernel panic (apparently, trouble with the LVM). There was also some dependency issues with a library required for updating nfs-utils, so I had to uninstall that. Other than that, it seems to be working all right. Appearences wise, it seems very similar to FC5, and seems to be more of an incremental update. This problem with kernel updates was something I encountered with FC3 as well, at which point I had to switch to CentOS 4.3 which has been very solid so far. Fedora Core may have the latest and greatest, but practically it is still a toy as far as stability/maintenance requirements goes. It will be interesting to see it mature.
OK, so Fedora looks better than ubuntu. True - but that can be changed (and it's more of a color scheme choice thing than actual graphics). /etc in FC is the most non-standard, confusing setup? (at least from an ubuntu/debian/gentoo standpoint, those three being the distributions I have much experience with)
OK, so Fedora is "bleeding edge". It crashes more, yup. Whats funny is that I was working on a programin project on ubuntu... I had everything working just fine. I scp the code over to a FC4 machine only to find that several of the libraries are too old and don't have the feature I need. So... FC is bleeding edgu but out of date at the same time... thats just sad.
Oh, and am I the only one who thinks that
That's exactly my point: updating or installing software using Yum or Apt or Aptitude resolves dependencies for you. It seems it's only trolls who don't know that the repositories of managed software are best used with clever package managers like these.