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The Plot To Hijack Your Hard Drive

An anonymous reader writes Business Week Online examines the business practices of spammers and pop-up advertisers, using much-maligned Direct Revenue as an example case. The article discusses the history of the company, their rocky road through good and bad times, and what they're willing to to get your eyes on their ads." From the article: "Among Direct Revenue's alumni, pride over technical cunning mingles with regret for exasperating so many computer users. After waffling on the issue during a long interview, one former Dark Arts wizard sighs and sums up his version of the company credo with an elegiac observation by abolitionist Frederick Douglass: 'Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them.'"

181 comments

  1. Is this maybe a typo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    should it maybe say to do to instead of to to?

  2. Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Stop Using Windows!!!! Duh!!!

    Patient: "Doctor it hurts when I do this."
    Doctor: "Then stop doing it!!!"

    --Johnny hates stupid!

    1. Re:Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is just a short-term solution. Most spyware/malware is bundled with some other program and asks nicely to be installed. The only reason it is currently confined to Windows is that most people use Windows. If everyone used Linux/OSX, then there would be Linux/OSX spyware. As another user said, users need to be educated or the problem will always exist.

  3. Here's how to stop it... by gasmonso · · Score: 5, Informative

    Complain to the companies that advertise with these methods. If you see an ad for Delta airlines, write them a letter complaining. Bitching to the advertising company is useless because they don't care... they're getting paid from someone else. Now the companies advertising through them are getting paid from you... and they will listen eventually.

    Also, use a router, firewall software, Antivirus, and Firefox. Haven't any issues ever.

    http://religiousfreaks.com/
    1. Re:Here's how to stop it... by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 1

      So basically what you're suggesting is a slightly different version of Blue-Security? Same premise, different problem?

    2. Re:Here's how to stop it... by andrewman327 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Believe it or not, companies really do read their snail mail. I have gotten more for my $0.39 than I ever could have gotten through e-mail or even telephone calls. If you feel passionately about this, e-mail me. I am interested in starting a group to pressure people to stop advirtising this way.

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    3. Re:Here's how to stop it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you feel passionately about this, post your mailing address. For some reason I've gotten the message that people don't value their e-mail as highly as snail mail.

      (TWAJS)

    4. Re:Here's how to stop it... by andrewman327 · · Score: 1

      Ok, that is funny. I personally value my e-mail, but companies do not think quite so highly.

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    5. Re:Here's how to stop it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just fyi: Direct Revenue's 'Aurora' adware worked with Firefox, not just IE.

    6. Re:Here's how to stop it... by jimicus · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Also, use a router, firewall software, Antivirus, and Firefox. Haven't any issues ever.

      When having sex with a potentially infected prostitute, wear three condoms and wash your gonads in bleach afterwards.

      Alternatively, don't sleep with infected whores.

      (Mods: I am not trolling. I am pointing out the absurdity of having to use so many layers of security when an alternative OS would solve all those issues without the need for so many layers of security. It's a joke. Laugh.)
    7. Re:Here's how to stop it... by kabocox · · Score: 1

      Also, use a router, firewall software, Antivirus, and Firefox. Haven't any issues ever.

      Um, I'm at work behind a firewall. We have office scan antivirus and adaware. I and another person run FireFox. He had something like this happen to him just today. He didn't click on anything that it popped up and didn't fully install the thing and was able to remove it. I wonder how many out there click on those damn things.

    8. Re:Here's how to stop it... by PoderOmega · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I am pointing out the absurdity of having to use so many layers of security when an alternative OS Well, this is called security though obscurity. A better example would be that people keeping letting their dog crap on your lawn. A firewall and antivirus solution would be like putting up a fence and security light. Alternatively, you could move to the south pole where there are no dogs or people around to mess up your lawn. Is Linux/MacOS really more secure then windows, is their just no one around to throw crap on it?

    9. Re:Here's how to stop it... by bigtreeman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I see an issue is the operating system allows this software to be hidden
      and become unremovable. Apart from not giving root access does Linux
      have any mechanisms for users to avoid this pitfall. This type of
      addware could in the future be installed and run in user directories.
      BSD can be configured to only run applications installed in $PATH
      can Linux do similar, could Linux stop it if targeted?

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    10. Re:Here's how to stop it... by MindStalker · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Is Linux/MacOS really more secure then windows, is their just no one around to throw crap on it?

      By default no, Linux's kernel is pretty secure, but there are still constant holes being found in the various services that people often install such as sendmail. A few years ago in Linux's infancy I setup a default RedHat box, and left it connected to a 56K modem overnight. It was hacked before morning.
      Of course this was like 10 years ago.. In other news, security sucked 10 years ago :)

    11. Re:Here's how to stop it... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Short answer: Yes.

      Longer answer: The easy way is to have /home be a separate partition, and set it to mount noexec (in /etc/fstab).

      You can be even more secure if you want to. This presumes that everyone with root access is well intentioned. Another choice just presumes that everyone with physical access if well intentioned. (Don't know a feasible way around that one.)

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    12. Re:Here's how to stop it... by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      And it was also RedHat. In other news, RedHat sucks.

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    13. Re:Here's how to stop it... by wboelen · · Score: 1

      That was a really subtle delta airlines ad :)

    14. Re:Here's how to stop it... by DrYak · · Score: 1
      Well, this is called security though obscurity.

      Well... no.

      Using lot of layered mean of security is not what is called "obscurity".
      "Security through obscurity" is hiding something instead of protecting it.

      In terms of computer security, it means instead of trying to replace less secure system (telnet remote control) with a more secure one (password protected and crypted SSH remote shell), trying to hide the less secure system in a less obvious place (still using telnet over a plain un-encrypted connection, but using a different port) and hoping that hackers will not think to look in less usual places (hope they won't do a complete port scan).

      Corresponding exemple :
      Burglars borke into a lot of houses in your neightborhood. Next week, you'll leave town to go on vaccation and must find some way to protect your house.
      - (Good security method) : you put a decent lock on your house's doors (compare to cryptography and computers).
      - (Security by obscurity) : you relocate the entrance door from the front to some hidden position in the back of your property and hope the bulglars wont bother finding your new "secret entrance". Or you replace your door knob with some more esoteric way to operate the opening (but that still doesn't require a key, i.e.: a password). (ie.: some protection based on hoping that the breaker won't go the trouble guessing your secret).

      Note that, event if per se, obscurity is NOT a good solution alone, it can complement an otherwise good solution :
      - As a personnal exemple, I tend to prefer SSH over other non-crypted methods for remote control of computers. (Cryptographic, security).
      - But, there are a lot of asian zombie-botnets that keep hammering the computer in my workplace on the SSH port, trying to find an account with weak password (admin:admin, root:admin, etc...)
      - Therefore I also choose to relocate the SSH daemon to a non-standart port for connection coming from outside the company (this is pure obscurity).
      The obscurity itself doesn't protect my computer. The cryptography and strong password used in SSH protects it. But the obscurity tends to diminish the most obvious attacks and avoid that my computer slows down because of all the (unsuccessful)-SSH port hammering.
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  4. Naive by syrrys · · Score: 0, Interesting

    I don't know why, but I am still shocked that there are people who don't mind making a living this way. I mean, they must be smart enough to see what greed has done to them, or are they just evil and do not care?

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    1. Re:Naive by ScottLindner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Intelligence and virture are not the same thing.

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    2. Re:Naive by ElectricOkra · · Score: 1, Funny

      yep... otherwise we would have no mad scientists...

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    3. Re:Naive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently you've never heard of a lawyer.

    4. Re:Naive by bunions · · Score: 5, Funny

      As with all other things, the answer to your quandry has already been answered in a Simpsons episode.

      Critic: "How do they sleep at night?"

      McBain: "On top of a huge pile of money, with many beautiful women."

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    5. Re:Naive by Temujin_12 · · Score: 1

      Intelligence and virture are not the same thing.

      Though, they will solve this (and many other) problems when COMBINED.

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    6. Re:Naive by 70Bang · · Score: 1, Offtopic


      (please read everything before modding it. I'm tired of being modded because someone reads out of context - with incomplete info

      There are one or two who have claimed to see the light and give up the ghost.

      What's said is most of the spam isn't coming from people connecting to Russia or China and zapping it back here, but within the US. This is because there are still plenty of ISPs who are willing to harbor spammers because they are easy money. In fact, they likely can charge the spammers more in order to remain "protected", regardless of what the TOS might say. Little side deals (pink contracts). And some of the ISPs -- high enough up the food chain -- really just don't give a rat's ass what goes on, as long as the money flows.

      The 2003 U-CAN-SPAM act was written by the DMA (Direct Marketing Association) who claimed to be "anti spam" and Congress largely believed them. The unfortunate thing is the DMA's definition of spam is|was a lot different than everyone else's. Why did they do it? Jerry Cerasale (VP) said, "we don't believe an opt-in requirement provides a viable economic model." translated: if you can't guarantee our ability to make money, we will fight it tooth & nail. Requiring Confirmed Opt-in (what spammers and ignorant people calll "double opt-in") would have made them pop a vein.

      What's sick is are all of the spam messages which have a tiny little graphic (or text in lieu of) down in the lower right-hand corner stating their U-CAN SPAM compliance. This would mean: proper headers, a relevant subject, a legitimate snailmail address, and a legitimate, working opt-out address. Oh, you can harvest email addresses, but you can't send to those harvested addresses. The number of bulkers who send email messages which comply with this (and things which don't come to mind) can be counted on one, perhaps two hands. I had one where examination of their sh%tty IIS setup revealed two text files, both of which said you were being removed from the system. What was displayed was an IIS error and a reference to the file where a quick hack of the site revealed they had no intention of making things do what they are supposed to. Why did the DMA do what they did? To give everyone who wants to send permission, and (more importantly) to get rid of state laws, under the pretense they couldn't keep track of which addresses resided in which state and they were tired of being sued. U-CAN-SPAM wiped out the existing state laws with no grandfathering.

      Ronnie Scelson, who likes to parade himself as a king of spam, but not as loudly as Alan Ralsky, former /. cat toy (see archives), testified before Congress during the 2003 law development, basically told them, "there is nothing you can do legislatively|legally which can stop me from spamming." And he proved himself right by watching them screw the pooch. (Ronnie lives in the "2005 Hurricane Alley" (Slidell, La), but was unfortunately spared last year.
      If you were to quiz certain groups re: who can go after spammers, you'd likely be told it's a Federal thing: the FBI, FTC, Justice Dept, etc. What's being over looked are two other parties: SAGs (State Attorneys General) and ISPs. The only SAG I've heard earn a reputation for pursuits, let alone success is NY. The only ISPs have been AOL. Microsoft has put their landsharks to work, but Microsoft themselves harbor spammers on Hotmail and refuse to do anything about it, let alone spamvertised sites on bCentral. You'd think the standard ISP would go after them in order to show a success rate and separate themselves from their primary [local] competitors. All things being equal, if you had a choice between two ISPs but one goes after spammers, which would you choose? I know people who have created an ISP by providing a service to a single client and pursued spammers,

    7. Re:Naive by PoorImpulseControl · · Score: 1

      I bow before your Simpson trivia. If I had mod points, I'd give them all to you!

    8. Re:Naive by anagama · · Score: 1

      8.1 million dollars buys a lot of solace. That what was the head guy's take last year.

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  5. Who buys this stuff? by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 5, Informative

    I mean, I think the real problem is that people will buy stuff from ads that randomly pop-up on their computer. And worse, those ads are the most effective kind?? I mean, if we could get people to wise up and not purchase sketchy stuff from spam or adware, then evil companies would stop making it.

    1. Re:Who buys this stuff? by ScottLindner · · Score: 1

      I've always advocated the solution to SPAM is to make it legal for people to publicly lynch people that buy from SPAM and telemarketters. It's kind of like Darwinism in a way.

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    2. Re:Who buys this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your post advocates a

      ( ) technical ( ) legislative (x) market-based ( ) vigilante

      approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)

      ( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
      ( ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
      ( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
      ( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
      ( ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
      ( ) Users of email will not put up with it
      ( ) Microsoft will not put up with it
      ( ) The police will not put up with it
      ( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
      (x) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
      ( ) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
      ( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
      ( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business

      Specifically, your plan fails to account for

      ( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
      (x) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
      ( ) Open relays in foreign countries
      ( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
      ( ) Asshats
      ( ) Jurisdictional problems
      ( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
      ( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
      ( ) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
      ( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
      ( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
      ( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
      ( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
      ( ) Extreme profitability of spam
      ( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
      ( ) Technically illiterate politicians
      ( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
      ( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
      ( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
      ( ) Outlook

      and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

      (x) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever been shown practical
      ( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
      ( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
      ( ) Blacklists suck
      ( ) Whitelists suck
      ( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
      ( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
      ( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
      ( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
      ( ) Sending email should be free
      ( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
      ( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
      ( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
      ( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
      ( ) I don't want the government reading my email
      ( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

      Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

      (x) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
      ( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
      ( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your house down!

    3. Re:Who buys this stuff? by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Funny

      The problem in this topic is the answer to Stephen Hawking's question in one of the previous topics: it is all about demographics. The more people there are on this planet, the more likely we are to have extremely smart people, who will push us to the stars, and the more likely we are to have extremely dumb people, who will buy anything from a popup ad.

    4. Re:Who buys this stuff? by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 1

      True, but why wait for legalization? It would also work if you do it privately and illegally.

    5. Re:Who buys this stuff? by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Then the obvious answer to both is that we need to work on bringing that low-end up to somewhere more reasonable. Such that a basic American education (eventually internationally) includes that sort of basic common sense.

    6. Re:Who buys this stuff? by ScottLindner · · Score: 1

      Very good point!

      I don't understand your sig. Wanna help me out?

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    7. Re:Who buys this stuff? by fermion · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Which is to say that if we wish to control people, we must always push them to edge and see if they fight back. For most people, they simply do not have the suffucient level of cynism to fight against these attacks. I think it is sweet.

      It is like all these meaningful parents feeding thier kids junk, buying them junk, not knowing any better because why would the government let stuff be sold to kids if it weren't safe? All these people buying SUVs, driving them inappropriately, and then complaining that they roll over. All these people smoking in the last 40 years, and now complaining they have been taken advantage of. The first reports on the harm of smoking were published in the 19th century folks. The list goes on. We have to hassle anyone named Muhamod for out own safety. We have to get rid of all guns for our own safety. We have to allow all conversations to be monitored for our own safety. God and his appointed prophets will save us, we don't need to think.

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    8. Re:Who buys this stuff? by Schemat1c · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Then the obvious answer to both is that we need to work on bringing that low-end up to somewhere more reasonable. Such that a basic American education (eventually internationally) includes that sort of basic common sense.

      The government very clearly saw what happens when you have a well educated youth during the 60's. The fact that public education has been on the decline since those days is no accident.
      It is much easier to control a populace which is fat, dumb and happy. They got the first two down, now they just need to figure out the happy part and their job is complete.

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    9. Re:Who buys this stuff? by steveo777 · · Score: 1

      I guess a good extention to this would be to lynch those that buy anything from an infomercial. Of course, then my dad and his fiance would be out of the picture. So I'm going to opt for anyone who directly pays the guys should have both legs broken... repeatedly... until they stop paying companys to do this. And the people who write code to hijack homepages will suffer a bludgeon to the head for every computer that was bricked or even temporarily bricked because of the shit they wrote. That way they'll never be able to code again.

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    10. Re:Who buys this stuff? by SolarCanine · · Score: 3, Funny

      now they just need to figure out the happy part and their job is complete.

      Which makes the War on Drugs so much harder to understand...

    11. Re:Who buys this stuff? by mmalove · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You don't have to buy something from the pop up ad. There exists a phenomena most marketers are aware of, that when you have several brands of a product to choose from, most people narrow their choice down to a grouping of 2-4, usually by "hunch" or "intuition", before making any drill down comparisons. It's a compromise of search breadth vs search depth. The pop up's main goal is to preprogram their brand as one of your intuitive choices - if you happen to click and purchase directly then that's an added bonus.

      As for stopping the local infection version of the pop up - write a letter to your congressman. Tell them that instead of worrying whether or not gays can be gay, or a dissident can burn a flag in protest of his governments actions, maybe they could write a quick law that makes it illegal to install software on another machine without the owner's explicit consent. Then the websites that distribute this shit will have fines to pay, sucking the profit right out of the whole scheme.

      (Oh noes, a spammer might lose his job!)

      Here's an interesting website, not sure if they read the letters sent but at least it's a start:
      http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/

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    12. Re:Who buys this stuff? by rivetgeek · · Score: 1

      One notorious spammer said that only one out of every 100,000 emails resulted in a sale. But since they really have no overhead, and they send these out by the billions every year, it still makes an easy profit for obese guys sitting at home in their underwear covered in cheetos dust.

    13. Re:Who buys this stuff? by phantomlord · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The government very clearly saw what happens when you have a well educated youth during the 60's. The fact that public education has been on the decline since those days is no accident.

      Who do you think taught the last couple generations? Perhaps these "well educated youth" suffer from a bit of hubris and decided they knew better than everyone else so they introduced new teaching methods which they thought would be better and those methods have failed. Nah, educated people would never claim that they have a new solution then admit a failure of their own making when it doesn't work out, lets just immediately jump to a nationwide conspiracy. Who's fault is it this week, the Free Masons or the Illuminati?

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    14. Re:Who buys this stuff? by TubeSteak · · Score: 1
      The government very clearly saw what happens when you have a well educated youth during the 60's.
      What?
      Drug taking and dance music?

      Stupid people can do that too you know. They just don't get fenced off nature preserves called "college" to do it in.
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    15. Re:Who buys this stuff? by Chysn · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It is much easier to control a populace which is fat, dumb and happy. They got the first two down, now they just need to figure out the happy part and their job is complete.

      Fat, dumb and happy is okay; but fat, dumb and afraid works, too.

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    16. Re:Who buys this stuff? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      I think the real problem is that people will buy stuff from ads that randomly pop-up on their computer. And worse, those ads are the most effective kind?? I mean, if we could get people to wise up and not purchase sketchy stuff from spam or adware, then evil companies would stop making it.
      You know, lately I've come to wonder whether any of that is really all that true. Sure, given a large enough pool you will eventually find some number of people who will respond to spam. But is it really profitable? Are there really enough idiots out there willing to buy "v1Agra"? Who is it that claims the returns are large enough to be worthwhile? Spammers, for the most part, who are trying to sell their services. I suspect that the only people actually profiting from spam are the spammers themselves, and that advertisers are just pouring money down the rathole. Sure the advertisers might only try for a month or two before realizing that it isn't working, but it doesn't take but a few fresh suckers a month to keep the ball rolling. This being the case, it doesn't matter if we can convince everyone to ignore spam, so long as the spammers can still convince shady advertisers that it works.
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    17. Re:Who buys this stuff? by xamomike · · Score: 1

      No one really, but it doesn't stop companies from purchasing advertising from legitimate looking advertising companies. The spam stops when the moneys stops, which will probably be a very long time.

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    18. Re:Who buys this stuff? by 0111+1110 · · Score: 0

      If this 'solution' also includes a method for allowing ugly-but-intelligent guys to get laid and/or enslaving the beautiful female population toward said end then I'm all for it. Might give new life to the term 'public service'. Even if the beautiful chicks were dumb as rocks it would (presumably) benefit the gene pool due to the either/or nature of genetics. However we could always screen the beautiful chicks to weed out the ones who only seem dumb but in fact possess obscene levels of intelligence which have never been put to use until now.

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    19. Re:Who buys this stuff? by fredklein · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have a simple, foolproof idea to help eliminate spam.

      Email certification.

      If you want to be able to send Certified Email (CE), you apply for Certification from the company that gives you internet connectivity. They check you out, and 'Certify' you as being a legitimate emailer (ie: not a spammer). Then, you generate a private/public key pair and give them the public one. In the headers of all your email, is their certification, and an encrypted header line that's createdusing your private key.

      When email arrives at the recipients server (or this could be done at the client level, as well), the server sees the certification, and connects to the certifying server to get your public key. It attempts to decrypt the header line. If it does it marks the email as 'certified', if it cannot, it marks the email as 'uncertified', and the email client can be programmed to filter messages based on that.

      Due to the public/private key cryptography, there can be no certified email spoofing. (Assuming the private keys are secure, the keys are of decent length, etc.) All emails are traceable back to the originating server. CORRECTION- all CERTIFIED emails are traceable. Anonymous email is still possible. People can still set up email servers for mailing lists without "having" to get them certified. And people can still receive non-certified mail.

      If an email server sends out spam, the complaints go to it's certifier. They can drop the certification, deleting the public key from their server. When this happens, ALL the email from the spamming server is now 'uncertified', and gets handled accordingly by email clients. If nothing is done, complaints go to THEIR upstream, etc. Individuals and groups can keep their own blacklists, if they wish, and anyone can choose to filter emails according to those lists.

      Now, I've looked over that 'form email' that people like to post to shoot down anti-spam ideas. And nothing applies to this idea. (If something seems to apply, it's because I either left out details, or explained something wrong.) This idea does NOT need to be universally adopted, nor does it need to be adopted by everyone all at once. It's primarily a way of reliably tracing (certified) emails back to their originating server. The anti-spam part comes later: if you receive certified spam, complain and get the server un-certified. If you receive un-certified spam... well, just have your email client dump all uncertified emails in the trash. (Not nessisarilly, you could just use it's un-certifedness as a factor in filtering your email.)

      This idea does not require anything be changed with SMTP. It simply requires a second connection be made to the certifying server. Now, before you bitch about the extra bandwidth, I'd like to remind you that, once this idea catches on, spam will be greatly reduced. This reduction will MORE than make up for the slight increase in bandwidth created in querying the certifying servers. Also, the certifying servers can set time limits on when the certifications expire, and need to be re-downloaded (kind of like DHCP leases). A 'new' company that just applied for certification might have it's certificate set to expire almost instantly. This way, every email they send requires a download of the certificate. This allows the certificate to be pulled rapidly if they start spamming. After a month or two, it could be set to expire weekly or monthly.

      To sum up: Email Certification is reliable way of tracing the certified emails back to their originating server. This allows spammers to be identified unequivocally, and have their certification pulled. Email servers are NOT required to be certified, and anonymous email is still possible. Email recipients can, if they choose, set up their client to send uncertified emails to the trash, or to handle them however they wish. White lists and black lists are still possible. 'Hobby mailing lists' are still possible, certified or not. The extra bandwidth is minimal, and easily overshadowed by the reduction in spam being send once spammers realize no one is even seeing, much less reading or replying to their spam.

    20. Re:Who buys this stuff? by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      its the M61 vulcan method of doing business
      if your "rounds" are cheap/ stolen and you fire enough of them sometime somewhere you will hit a legit target
      (of course you will have hit hundreds of non-legit "targets" and had some total misses and you might draw counter fire but...)

      Funny thing that the M61 is a GE product and the most famous slogan is "we bring good things to life"

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    21. Re:Who buys this stuff? by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      Nicely said and very likely correct.

    22. Re:Who buys this stuff? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      Funny thing that the M61 is a GE product and the most famous slogan is "we bring good things to life"
      Indeed. I always enjoyed the irony of their slogan and the fact that they made nuclear warhead components also. But that's just life in the big city, ya know? For all the groups advocating boycott all those years that claimed victory when GE finally pulled out of the nuclear weapons business in '92, I think it's worth noting that by '92 the nuke industry was winding down from its cold war heyday. Sounds to me like it was more a case of the projected profits finally falling to a point where the PR from dropping out entirely was worth more $.
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    23. Re:Who buys this stuff? by quokkapox · · Score: 2, Funny
      The government very clearly saw what happens when you have a well educated youth during the 60's. The fact that public education has been on the decline since those days is no accident.

      Your post suggests a conspiracy theory which is

      (x) paranoid
      ( ) delusional
      (x) impossible to confirm
      (x) impossible to refute

      Specifically, your theory fails to account for

      (x) Stupidity of the general population
      (x) Lack of a centrally controlling authority for conspiracies
      (x) Failure to mention the Illuminati
      (x) Facts can be explained without need for a real conspiracy
      (x) Stupidity of the politicians
      ( ) Asshats

      and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

      (x) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever been proven
      (x) That's what they WANT us to think

      Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

      (x) Sorry dude, you're batshit crazy
      ( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
      ( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your house down!
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    24. Re:Who buys this stuff? by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 1

      I had an elaborate critique of your solution, but I found a much more succint way to explain all of the problems with it all at once:

      Your plan is essentially whitelisting. Whitelists suck.

  6. That's No Excuse by Squiffy · · Score: 2, Informative

    'Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them.'

    That doesn't make it okay to be the one imposing the injustice.

    1. Re:That's No Excuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Certainly better than to be receiving the injustice.

      -Beer, it's not just for breakfast anymore!

    2. Re:That's No Excuse by Peaceful_Patriot · · Score: 1

      'Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them.'

      This sounds a lot like what our Government is doing. Speak up now or shut up forever.

      --
      There is nothing so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
  7. Even the spyware people acknowledge their evil? by jamestheprogrammer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article:
    From early on, a small group of programmers at Direct Revenue focused on how to protect their employer's programs once they were lodged in a computer, current and former employees say. The team called itself Dark Arts after the term for evil magic in the Harry Potter series. One of the biggest threats Dark Arts addressed came from competing software. The presence of multiple spyware programs can so cripple a computer that no ads manage to get seen.

    In my opinion, spyware that purposely damages other software without user consent(even if the target software is spyware) is really just a virus, trojan, or something like that. Seriously, these people need to just chill out and stop screwing with everyone's PCs.

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    "You teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test." - President George W. Bush
    1. Re:Even the spyware people acknowledge their evil? by Tekzel · · Score: 1

      Sure, and people should stop murdering people, raping people, stealing peoples stuff, etc. But, much like the list I just mentioned, the spyware/adware, etc is not going anywhere by legislation, the only solution will be technical, and educational.

    2. Re:Even the spyware people acknowledge their evil? by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      Sounds like someone needs the Cruciatus Curse used on them, if they insist on Imperius Cursing peoples PC's...

      or maybe Avada Kedavra.

  8. Re:er... by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 1

    Actually, he compared them both to a "scale 'o evil" and theorized that we're already compalcent with the former and have proved to ignore the latter, and statistically speaking humans could probably score much higher in the future.

  9. When will people learn? by andrewman327 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    TFA describes their "pride over technical cunning." I never thought about those people trying to bypass my popup or spam blocker actually being proud of their spawn.



    Also from TFA: "Spyware rakes in an estimated $2 billion a year in revenue, or about 11% of all Internet ad business, says the research firm IT-Harvest. Direct Revenue's direct customers have included such giants as Delta Air Lines (DALRQ ) and Cingular Wireless. It has sold millions of dollars of advertising passed along by Yahoo. And Direct Revenue has received venture capital from the likes of Insight Venture Partners, a respected New York investment firm."


    People need to learn to stop following links that anger them! If no one purchased goods and services from these irritants, they would lose their 11% market share and slowly go away. I subscribe to Netflix, but I would never follow one of their links from a popup.

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    Information wants a fueled airplane waiting at the hangar and no one gets hurt.
    1. Re:When will people learn? by Miertam · · Score: 1

      TFA describes their "pride over technical cunning." I never thought about those people trying to bypass my popup or spam blocker actually being proud of their spawn. No person ever really thinks he is evil. These coders are just doing a job and collecting a paycheck.

    2. Re:When will people learn? by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 1

      TFA describes their "pride over technical cunning." I never thought about those people trying to bypass my popup or spam blocker actually being proud of their spawn.

      Technical cunning maybe, but not a lot of smarts. If I'm going to go to the trouble of installing a spam/popup blocker, or of running AV software, or trying to delete their software, that ought to tell them I don't like the pop-ups. If I hate the pop-ups, I'm not gonna buy off them, regardless of the deals they offer. So it seems that any rational advertiser would offer more for a solution that allows pissed people to not have to do too much work - that way I'm not so pissed at the advertiser, just the adware-maker.

    3. Re:When will people learn? by andrewman327 · · Score: 1

      That is a very good observation. I guess they have the same goals, successes, and failures as the rest of us coders.

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    4. Re:When will people learn? by jimicus · · Score: 1

      People need to learn to stop following links that anger them!

      Just like they need to stop clicking on every link in every email they receive, yes?

      Everybody did that after LoveBug and Melissa, and now very few pieces of malware spread by email. Isn't that right?

    5. Re:When will people learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "I subscribe to Netflix, but I would never follow one of their links from a popup."

      How did you learn about Netflix? Was it because you saw it in a popup? Links followed or not, you're trying to get people to hear about a product; if they follow the link great, if they don't follow the link but later look up the product on their own great.

    6. Re:When will people learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's right, it's all about product visibility, it has almost nothing to do with clickthrough rates. If you can get people to just see the image, they will become aware of your product, and 90% of your goal is achieved. The goal of that type of advertising isn't to get people to buy the product directly, but more to bring the product/service into public awareness.

  10. In the end.. by mr.cbaker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In the end, Google knows how it's done. I find I much more often induldge in either clicking on or glancing at an unobstrusive (and generally relevant) google ad than I do any annoying popup which causes me nothing other than to feel contempt for the company who pulled it on to my screen. Sneaky and dirty marketing is just distasteful, and they should know that it reflects poorly on the company and the product. I suppose it still works well on people like my grandmother, who believe they are in fact the 5000th visitor.

    1. Re:In the end.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Google ads are the only ads that I don't make a habit of writing regexps to eliminate. It's not all that hard to excise them, but they're unobtrusive enough that I don't mind their presence and relevant enough that I sometimes care about them.

    2. Re:In the end.. by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 4, Insightful
      In the end, Google knows how it's done

      Google isn't above questionable behavior, though. Look at their new payment service. Basically, if you are selling something, you can put a link on your order page that lets your customer use Google to handle the payment. Sounds pretty cool, right? However, one of Google's requirements is that you have that link on every ordering page of yours, and they require that the link includes the image they supply from their server. You can't make a local copy of the image on your server. You have to reference the image on their server from your page.

      What this means is that everytime someone buys something through your site, even if they don't use Google to pay, Google gets a hit on that image. So, Google gets an accurate count of how many people visit your order page, and gets their IP addresses.

      If they correlate that with searches from the same IP address, they are getting a hell of a lot of valuable information.

    3. Re:In the end.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excuse me but are you implying that "punching the monkey" wasn't a real challenge? I spent half an hour trying to hit that guy!

  11. Windows assumptions rampant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I love how these articles talk about "your computer" as if everybody in the world is running Windows. They don't even mention that Mac and Linux users don't have these issues. Just a little mention that there is an alternative, is that too much to ask??

    1. Re:Windows assumptions rampant by nogginthenog · · Score: 1

      Mac and Linux users get popups and spam too you know.

    2. Re:Windows assumptions rampant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mac and Linux users get popups and spam too you know.

      Yeah, but it's so hard these days to find good spyware that runs on Linux...

    3. Re:Windows assumptions rampant by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 1

      This is adware/spyware based pop-ups. Not internet-based pop-ups. There isn't a lot of Mac/Linux spyware or adware, so they're relatively safe. That said, most of business week's customers probably use PCs, so it's not a horrible assumption.

    4. Re:Windows assumptions rampant by tuffy · · Score: 1

      # yum install spyware
      No Match for argument: spyware
      Nothing to do


      Darn.

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    5. Re:Windows assumptions rampant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "I love how these articles talk about "your computer" as if everybody in the world is running Windows."

      >95% is close enough to "everybody" for most intents and purposes.

    6. Re:Windows assumptions rampant by Wavicle · · Score: 1

      Now if you had been running Gentoo, you could have built an optimized version of the spyware specifically tailored to your system.

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      Education is a better safeguard of liberty than a standing army.
      Edward Everett (1794 - 1865)
    7. Re:Windows assumptions rampant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep that to yourself, or you may have problems in the future.

    8. Re:Windows assumptions rampant by Rick17JJ · · Score: 1

      As a Linux user, it is really nice not having to worry about spyware or even worms or viruses. I am not really an expert or sure exactly why only Windows users have those problems. Perhaps Linux and Mac users do not have enough market share to be worth targeting. As far as the lack viruses and worms for Linux and Mac OS X, there might be other reasons such as IE's support for Active X and the fact that most Windows users at home don't use a separate administrative account.

      I wonder if perhaps the genetic diversity of the software on most Linux computers might also make it somewhat harder to write spyware (and also viruses) that work properly on all computers. Linux users use a variety of different email programs, browsers, kernels and versions of Linux. By comparison Windows is an in-bred monoculture with most users using outlook and IE and the same identical kernel.

      Perhaps they just feel we aren't worth bothering with. I suppose that someone could theoretically write Linux spyware, then make it available to be downloaded in DEB, RPM, TGZ, and also source code formats. Then they could try to persuade me to download and install their spyware in whichever package format is appropriate for the version of Linux that I use. Next, I would probably be asked for my root password so their spyware could be properly installed with the necessary privileges. Yes, I suppose that could happen.

      But anyway, I also use a modified hosts file to divert most known advertising related URL's to the 127.0.0.1 loop-back address on my computer. I use Mike's Ad Blocking Hosts file which can be used with either Windows, Linux, Unix or Mac OSX. Many web pages have some background communication going to those advertising related URL's, much of which can be blocked by a modified hosts file. I hope that it includes the latest URL's for Direct Revenue and most similar spyware companies. I'm not sure, but I update the hosts file regularly anyway.

      One last defensive trick that I use is, on the Thunderbird email program, I chose the option to not automatically display remote images unless they come from someone that is in my address book. Allowing those images to be displayed would require the images to be download from some remote IP address and (I suppose) that might also allow them to detect my IP address and be able to tell that I received their spam. Most email programs (even Outlook) has similar options.

      The article could have at least mentioned the "we" don't all have a problem with spyware

  12. 'four hours of my life back' by ic4x0r · · Score: 5, Interesting
    "You people are EVIL personified," Kevin Horton wrote around the same time. "I would like the four hours of my life back I have wasted trying to get your stupid uninvited software off my now crippled system."

    indeed! these people should be held liable for the damage done and time wasted. it's unpleasant to think that there are actually people behind obnoxious spyware, and that they think that pissing people off is the best way to get them to acknowledge the adverts and buy whatever they're selling.

    1. Re:'four hours of my life back' by Compholio · · Score: 1

      indeed! these people should be held liable for the damage done and time wasted.

      Send them a bill for your time and file a small-claims suit if they don't comply, they'd rather pay you then be hassled (sound familiar).

    2. Re:'four hours of my life back' by asscroft · · Score: 1

      ABC announced that they want to circumvent fast forward on PVRs. Apple announced a new media PC to replace the TV (and MS's media PC). Then I read this article about adware/spyware being a huge business with real investors and legitimate companies buying in to the idea.

      Then I add it all up and realize that in a few years my TV is going to be hijacked by popup ads that make me punch the monkey before I'm able to watch any of the tv shows I've recorded.

      The other thing I noticed is how much damage this has done to microsoft. MS should be doing all they can to hope the Attorney General wins this law suit. Most of my family has "switched(tm)" for this very reason. Either to lin or mac, but away from win.

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    3. Re:'four hours of my life back' by Martix · · Score: 1

      Send them an invoice or bill for the four hours labor at 25 dollars an hour. Also any lost revenue if it was used for your income. Send a copy of it to them and then one to the press, your member of parlement or Congressman/senator My 2 Watts

  13. Re:Hmmm... by MyOtherUIDis3digits · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems that the difference between insightful and troll is:

    "LOL!!! ;p!!!!!!111111!!!!!!ELEVENTY!!!!"

    Too bad that part will automatically cause most people to ignore a very insightful and accurate comment.

    Mod me to hell if you want, but you can't deny what he said.

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    Ignore anything I said above, I actually agree with everything you believe - mod accordingly.
  14. Oh my god... by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

    "They are trying to take our porn!"

    (with apologies to Stephen Colbert)

    --
    "But this one goes to 11!"
  15. How to make a dent by Demon-Xanth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Make the companies (and thier owners) liable for the cost of fixing the PCs they infect, and allow people to take these companies to court over the cost of repairing thier PCs.

    People on slashdot could hire eachother at $50/hr to fix eachother's PCs. And setup a revenue stream of about $200/week each. Even if 1% of 1% do it, with 1,000,000 PCs, that means that 100 people are sucking down a total of $20,000/week. I doubt the ad revenue from infecting 1M PCs is $1M/year.

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    If you think education is expensive, you should try ignorance -- Derek Bok, president of Harvard
    1. Re:How to make a dent by tomlouie · · Score: 1

      This is worthy of a follow up.

      Shouldn't the dirty tricks that spyware software uses to infiltrate computers, should that be a violation of the DMCA?

      According to chillingeffects.org (http://www.chillingeffects.org/anticircumvention/ faq.cgi), this is the definition of circumvention:
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      Question: What does circumvention mean?

      Answer: Circumvention, according to Section 1201(a)(3)(A), means "to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner." While the full scope of activities and practices that would fall under this definition has not yet been examined by the courts, any act of undoing a "lock" or "block" in a digital system may well be considered circumvention.
      ----

      So, if unauthorized spyware happens to "avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair" all the technological measures I can in place to stop spyware from modifying my copywritten material on my computer (such as my registry, perhaps?), can I seek damages against spyware companies? And would 3rd party companies that bundle spyware be also guilty of "manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic" as well?

  16. Dup? by mcmonkey · · Score: 1, Troll
    The Plot To Hijack Your Hard Drive

    Oh sorry, that was about a different unscrupulous company.

    1. Re:Dup? by conlaw · · Score: 1

      Yeah, when the title for this article popped up on my Google page, I was sure it would be about Micros**t. Their WGA initiative sent me right to Kubuntu.

  17. Re:er... by User+956 · · Score: 1

    Actually, he compared them both to a "scale 'o evil" and theorized that we're already compalcent with the former and have proved to ignore the latter, and statistically speaking humans could probably score much higher in the future.

    So it's the "slippery slope" argument: implying that intrusive digital advertising leads to domination and irrevocable descent into the murky depths of human bondage.

    I guess that works, if you also believe that "the Matrix" was a documentary.

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    The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
  18. The Real Goal by Kazrael · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The real goal of this type of advertising is not necessarily to get you to buy from them. Most of us, especially the computer savvy ones, would never buy from a popup add. But the simple fact is, we've seen them. We notice them, judging by the comments on /., which means the advertisers have done their job. They are getting a company's name and/or product out and NOTICED. Cingular and Netflix could make 0$ in sales from popups, but they certainly can claim they have been viewed by more users and more times due to this type of advertising. Coke doesn't put a purchasing phone number on their TV commercials (comparable to the ability to click on a popup directly to a sales site), yet plenty would say that Coke simply having commercials increases recognition and/or sales.

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    1. Re:The Real Goal by ic4x0r · · Score: 1

      noticed, yes, but with the very negative association of having to deal with lots of spyware, which to me would be incentive to not buy products from the company.

  19. Clicking on ads by MobyDisk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've never clicked on an ad in my life. Except maybe by accident when the site's navigation is right near the ad. I just did a random survety of my coworkers. They all said the same thing without my prompting: That they only have done it by accident, and can't think of any specific ad they ever clicked on.

    Is ad revenue no longer based on pay-per-click? Because if it is, I don't know who is clicking on them.

    1. Re:Clicking on ads by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      I do every now and then. But the product has to be interesting to me... I'll click on ads in /. or on tech news sites. When I was shopping for a new digital camera, I clicked on a few of those ads, same as when I am currently shopping for a laptop. Some crappy sites come up, but this is where I can find the product I actually want. I figure it's worth it.

    2. Re:Clicking on ads by TClevenger · · Score: 1

      If I see something interesting in a pop-up, I'll open a new tab and do a web search, making sure to click on a seller OTHER than the one who produced the pop-up.

    3. Re:Clicking on ads by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      The parent talked about ads, not pop-ups. I never click on pop-ups, and never search for products in them knowingly. I'll only click on streamlined, inline, unobtrusive ads.

    4. Re:Clicking on ads by TClevenger · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I have purchased from both Google ads and unobtrusive, non-flashing banner ads.

  20. Microsoft's popups by texaport · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Microsoft's TAKE-A-SURVEY pops up when you try to get
    their product that promises to protect you against popups:

    "Windows Defender (Beta 2) is a free program
    that helps you stay productive by protecting
    your computer against pop-ups"

    Hurry up and interrupt users again, before it is too late!

    1. Re:Microsoft's popups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You still haven't installed *our* product that protects you from popups? Too bad, now you're going to get even more popups. And, no, installing our product won't stop them either, you're too late. mailto:slashdot@thunder.linuxshell.ws

    2. Re:Microsoft's popups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a related note... This weekend I had my Norton Firewall (came with the laptop) popped up a window after the last Windows Update finished downloading those updates. I managed to get a screenshot (not on the web yet) of Norton recommending me to block access of a program known as "Microsoft Windows Genuine Advantage".

      I knew MS Windows was a trojan! I am now glad my desktop runs Ubuntu :)

  21. Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had the same take on it.

  22. We're the good guys, really ! by slowbad · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Windows Defender promises to protect users from "threats caused by spyware" (aka threats caused by bad design)

    'users may install a helper program, the Windows Genuine
    Advantage plug-in, to enhance their download experience'

    --
    Microsoft staff never sees this
    if they eat their own dog food.

  23. Re:er... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The Highlander was a documentary, and events happened in real time."

  24. The power of the powerful by UR30 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Here is preceding text of the observation by abolitionist Frederick Douglass: "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." How about the plot of the media companies and IT giants to hijack digital content using DRM? The spammers are small players compared to the corporate giants.

  25. It's not that simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For example:
    A rouge spyware removal company called kill and clean (.com) uses malware that installs some run of the mill spyware, some dialers and hijackers, but also tampers with the help system and the windows security center. The mass of malware is such the no one can miss it.

    The afflicted user will get correct looking security alterts that recommend them to go the killandclean and buy their spyware remover.

    It would be impossible to teach every user to maintain a manual control over running processes, startup commands and the registry and the way that it takes to see through some of these things.

    (It installs itself using various browser/flash vulnerabilities from porn sites like ampland.com. The company presents it self as being based in london, but the domain is registred to a person in brooklyn. I have resisted the urge to retaliate against said person as she is probably a stooge.)

  26. Re:cunning mingles by The+Faywood+Assassin · · Score: 1

    This is SLASHDOT, there is no chance of cunnilingus interfering with anything anyone here does

    --

    "I'm a humble person really,

    I'm actually much greater than I think I am"

  27. Google ads hold the record by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Informative

    As only ads I've ever bought anything from. The reason is they are the only ads that are around when I'm thinking of something. We needed an Optura Xi camera for work. So I punched in "Optura Xi". Lo and behold there's a link to B&H on the right hand side offering it. Clicking it took me not to their front page, but to the camera itself. 5 minutes later it was a done deal.

    I'm not going to buy from random popup ads, they are never selling what I want when I want it. It's not just that Google ads are onobtrusive, they are relivant. They are what I searched for and they generally take me right to the product page.

  28. weird by kook44 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I interviewed at Direct Revenue about 18 months ago. It's funny to hear thier version of what they do - they simply call it "contextual ad-based marketing". The whole place seemed very sketchy and unprofessional. When the sketchy manager walked me past the group he called "forensic computing" - I instantly knew I was in a spyware factory. I met with some other sweaty, twitchy geek who asked me to solve some algorithmic/data-structure type problem. He was very persistent and specific - harping on the minor details. After I got out of there, I realized he was actually tring to get ideas for a problem he was working on - not tech-ing me for the position. Told the equally shady recruiter to f-off & turned them down for another offer. Glad I did it, but I'm shocked that they are the focus of an article on BW. Surprised they're even still around...

  29. Nasty Products by MonkeyCookie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How ironic. Just this morning, I was attempting to clean one of their pieces of crap, ABetterInternet, off of my wife's computer. They have made it really difficult to find their stuff and clean it off. It was a few hours before I had even identified what exactly it was, and although Adaware was aware of its existence, it was unable to remove it.

    Norton Antivirus was completely useless. I'm going to have to try a series of Spyware removal tools to get it off, I think. Maybe the kids will listen now when we tell them to use Firefox, and not IE.

    1. Re:Nasty Products by SirKron · · Score: 2, Funny

      I got a pop-up for some spyware removal software. Would you like the link?

    2. Re:Nasty Products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best consumer-friendly anti-spyware, anti-virus program you can get is FREE! you can get it here.

    3. Re:Nasty Products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suprisingly, the uninstaller ( http://www.bestoffersnetworks.com/uninstall )on their website will take care of the bulk of nasty stuff. The remaining parts you can remove by hand, or let an antispyware program such as SpySweeper ( http://www.spysweeper.com/ ) or Ewido ( http://www.ewido.net/ ) do the job.
      There are processes that ABI runs in the background that replaces any files that you may remove, in an attempt to keep everything working. Generally NAIL.EXE is one of the key files. If you create an artificial NAIL.EXE (empty file made in notepad, for instance) and copy it to the clipboard, you can then remove the actual NAIL.EXE, and paste the fake one before it gets replaced. This will allow you to start removing some of the other stuff. Of course do this all from Safe Mode, and make sure you get it all before restarting. Otherwise you'll end up where you started.
      I've spent literally THOUSANDS of hours removing various malware from machines, and have got to say that these types of companies generate tons of revenue for PC repair shops as well.

      P.S. - Ewido rocks hard...

    4. Re:Nasty Products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cleaning an infected OS from within is at best difficult. I have done some spyware cleaning, but it is usually easiest to do the actual deletions from a boot disc like BartPE. (I would use Knoppix, but it does not handle NTFS well enough.)

  30. Re:er... by Goblez · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Where does this relate to human slavery? "measure of injustice and wrong" == money, lack of privacy, lack of security, ruining of credit, annoying of advertising, etc. The list to things this could refer to is long, but doesn't make the jump (as you so quickly did) to slavery. To quote someone who had the idea right: "More money, but still locked in a similar cage" - Ludacris

    It's about Them taking whatever they can get from you without you complaining/caring enough to do something about it

    Where does it say that the slavery of this millenia is actual bondage? Who says it's not a combination of the things above?

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  31. Re:er... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're an idiot. It was a fucking quote. Nobody "compared" anything.

  32. EULA's Share The Blame by BeBoxer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again. EULA's are a big part of this problem. Specifically, the way above board software forces users to accept pointless pages of legalese. It serves no real purpose, but trains users that it's OK, and in fact expected, that they should click through some agreement whenever they want to run a new program. But while the 'legitimate' software companies don't really get any benefit from the EULA's, the spyware folks depend on them to keep themselves out of jail. These fsck'ers would all be in jail without EULA's providing them cover. And if only spyware was making users click through pages of legal mumbo jumbo, users might actually stop and take notice.

  33. White Salmon by Sazarac · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know why people feel that caveat emptor (buyer beware) should apply less today than it did many years ago. Pop-ups and spam to me are the equivalent of P.T. Barnum unloading a bunch of tuna as "white salmon, guaranteed not to turn pink in the can". Especially with all the vendor/product/reseller review sites out there, one would think it would be easier for more emptorii to caveat. I don't feel any different about my grandmother thinking she's the 5000th visitor than I did when she bought that Ronco rotisserie abomination.

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  34. Would you hire these people? by sfjoe · · Score: 1

    one former Dark Arts wizard sighs and sums up his version of the company credo with an elegiac observation by abolitionist Frederick Douglass: 'Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them.'"

    I can tell you that if any of these people submit a resume to me, they can absolutely count on NOT being interviewed. There is no room for people this lacking in ethics.

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  35. Love the attitude by Bullfish · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Is it just me, or are these weasels begging for a DDOS attack. Their attitude about damaging other people's computers reeks of entitlement and self-rightousness. Would anyone cry if their servers were fried.

  36. Education! by Kouroth · · Score: 3, Informative

    Education is going to be the most effective way to put a stop to spam and other addware. There must be a massive campaign to teach people what spam is and how to stop it. Videos that come up when you first load a new computer should be included to explain spam and how to prevent it. Work places need to spend time explaining to employees what to avoid. Schools of all grades need to teach people about safe internet use. If the campaign was big enough it'd help a great deal, maybe even stop it all together. The problem is that people ARE clicking adds, they ARE buying junk from spam adds! If they no longer clicked adds, deleted all spam with out looking at it, I'd bet it wouldn't pay any more. Laws won't do it, attacks against spammers doesn't work. Our best way to fight it is to stop people from making it profitable. Once the money goes the adds will go too.

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    1. Re:Education! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you spell it "adds"? Do you write ADDvertisement or ADvertisement? Or are you doing ADDition?

    2. Re:Education! by Kouroth · · Score: 1

      It might be the spell checker? Or maybe I'm just an idiot? Or maybe I didn't notice? I don't know.

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  37. It's a little deeper than that by njdj · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them.

    The quotation is the general principle, which enables you to understand a lot of different things, some of which are more important than others. It explains, for example, why the American people are subject to the Patriot Act, DMCA, and eternal copyrights. None of these have much in common with either of the things youi mentioned.

  38. SO GLAD I didn't get that job.... (NYC/NYS rant) by otis+wildflower · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ... I interviewed for this outfit for a linux position, and boy did it dishearten me. It seems that all that's left in NYC tech is consulting, banks/investment houses (which are often bastions of dumb corpthink, except for the more technical hedge funds), and shady outfits like this. There's very little in the way of new tech going on in NYC anymore, and the stable work has in many cases moved out to NJ and areas beyond.

    IMHO stable back-office jobs in NYC are going the way of the dodo. Even if they don't offshore, they will migrate to states that are friendlier to business and have lower operating costs. I've already left NY, and so far I couldn't be happier. To be honest, I could sit playing WoW in my underwear in NYC and pay a fortune for electricity, cable, insurance, etc.. Or move somewhere else with broadband and do the exact same thing for less?

    (and get paid the same, quite honestly, at least in tech the NYC job market has been squeezed so hard that the reputed higher wage level is a bit of an illusion now, so while wages remain stagnant or decline, costs go up up up.. I'm making more as a full timer outside NY than I did as a 'consultant' working in midtown, and that's just net take-home pay, before factoring in insurance and whatnot)

  39. Here's how to REALLY stop it... by emil · · Score: 3, Informative

    Don't browse the internet as Administrator on Windows, ever. Don't even browse as a "power user" - create a restricted user (no install or registry change privileges).

    If you are going to browse while logged in as Administrator, right-click on your browser, select "Run as" and run it as a less-privileged user.

    In general, always run as a restricted user, and use "Run as" to elevate privilege of software that requires it (cd burning, etc.). Leave Administrator alone.

    If you have no firewall, examine the services that you have running (right-click My Computer, manage, services). Look up every running service (on google or whatnot) and make a decision to shut it down or leave it operating.

    Also, ensure that your SYSTEMROOT resides on an NTFS filesystem. If it's on FAT, none of the above will help you.

    Firefox helps, but this works better.

    1. Re:Here's how to REALLY stop it... by bunions · · Score: 4, Insightful

      that's a huge pain in the ass, as I'm sure you realize, and almost certainly overkill. Neither I or any of my friends has gotten a virus or malware for the last several years by following these 4 E-Z Steps:

      (1) Do not use IE or outlook
      (2) Do not click on shit indiscriminatly. Only run programs from places you trust.
      (3) Do not trust places like crazyivansdiscountsoftware.com.ru or hotthrobbingboobies.com.za
      (4) If you need penis enlargement or prescriptions, go to a doctor. If you need porn, go to the usenet.

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    2. Re:Here's how to REALLY stop it... by JPribe · · Score: 1

      Great idea!! Now the keyloggers will have my admin password, too!!! To really stop it, stay the hell off the 'net in general. I only hit 30 or so websites on a regular basis, the rest I either don't view or look at with Browster, not that it protects anything, but I figure it helps some. The 'net is a dangerous place after all, we've all seen the movie. Sandra Bullock was in *real* trouble after all.

      awful movie BTW....

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    3. Re:Here's how to REALLY stop it... by DesertWolf0132 · · Score: 1

      Ahhh...the one true and proper use of usenet...aside from venting bitterness of course. Of course it can all be prevented by never installing the Microsoft virus on your system. I use Fedora Core 5 and prior to that Slackware. I trained my non-geek wife and now she would never let me switch back to Winblows even if I wanted to. The few M$ programs you use, the safer you are.

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    4. Re:Here's how to REALLY stop it... by Bill+Dog · · Score: 1

      Speaking from experience (including having never caught anything myself):

      Setting a shortcut once to run IE as a regular user is not "a huge pain in the ass".

      And Outlook can be set to always open emails as plain text -- no web bugs, no scripts.

      So E-Z Step #1 can be omitted. The other three still remain, as they are the really important ones.

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    5. Re:Here's how to REALLY stop it... by oik · · Score: 2, Funny

      Is HothRobbingBoobies a subtle Star Wars reference or do I simply need more coffee? :)

    6. Re:Here's how to REALLY stop it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you only visit 30 sites, and one is Slashdot, do you go to all the articles? Me neither.

    7. Re:Here's how to REALLY stop it... by utlemming · · Score: 1

      The other thing that I would recommend would be to use the OSS sandboxie. It places IE in a sandbox, hence the name, to prevent infection problems.

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    8. Re:Here's how to REALLY stop it... by calculadoru · · Score: 1

      If you need porn, go to the usenet.

      hey man, got a link?

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      The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. -- G.B. Shaw
    9. Re:Here's how to REALLY stop it... by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      The few M$ programs you use, the safer you are.

      For now. Once enough normal people move to Linux though, the malware peddlers will move too. You may be safe from crap that exploits holes (although exploits are found for Linux systems from time to time too), but lots of people will still fall foul of trojans.

      Sure, you and I may well be safe, but then I'm safe here on Windows, taking a few sensible precautions (that basically boil down to not using IE/Outlook, not running executables I get in the mail and not installing random crap I find on the net)

    10. Re:Here's how to REALLY stop it... by JPribe · · Score: 1

      I think I said "regularly." Besides, does anyone *really* RTFA????

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  40. Re:er... by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 1

    Nothing wrong with using slippery slope as an argument as opposed to a logical proof.

  41. Re:Hmmm... by chad.koehler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Interesting that as of right now, you have an insightful mod and he doesn't.

  42. A linux user wants to know by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Interesting
    What is this spyware people keep talking about? Now gnu flash is finished perhaps stallman should make it a priority to get an opensource spyware development going as well so we are not left behind.

    The article talks about "trailer cash" and that is indeed what this is about. Forget the scum spyware companies, instead consider the real culprit, the end user.

    I am not just talking about people still running Windows/IE, that in itself is stupid enough but it can be done safely.

    No the trailer cash people are not the victim of shoddy MS coding or brilliant spyware coding, they are the victim of their own greed and stupidity. Greed because the fast majority of spyware programs come from dubious source, P2P programs (and no they ain't using P2P to download the latest linux distro) and "free programs". It is similar to that "test" someone did were people gave away personal information on questionares for tiny rewards.

    Smart people know their is no such thing as a free lunch. If someone therefore offers you a free lunch this is probably because they want you to sit through a 3 hour sales pitch before. This is a sales techinigue I was warned about by consumer programs as a kid, that my mother was warned about even my grandfather and it is still going on.

    But even worse then the people that install this crap hoping to get something for nothing are the people who actually respond to the ads.

    Believe it or not but the entire ad business is about making money. Nobody is going to pay for an ad campaign that doesn't produce results. The sad fact is that these spyware and spam ads are very effective at producing sales results.

    It is here that the real problem lies. As long as people keep buying from these kind of ads someone will be serving up these ads.

    But frankly I don't see the problem. I guess I have always had a soft spot for scammers. They are such nice evidence of evolution in action. If you been infected by spyware that is natures way of telling you are to stupid to breed.

    Pity is that in our society it is the stupid who breed the most. Now with viagra spam they will become even better at it. The stupid are going to overrun this world. Good news for the spyware and spam people. At least these IT jobs ain't being outsourced yet.

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    You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.

    1. Re:A linux user wants to know by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      >The stupid are going to overrun this world.

      I feel compelled to point out that people have been saying this since at least the time of Plato, more than 2000 years ago. This raises the question: have they? Is modern-day technology the result of the stupid having overrun the world? If so: bring on the stupid. If not: they haven't managed it in 2000 years so why would they suddenly start now?

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    2. Re:A linux user wants to know by greg_barton · · Score: 1
      If you been infected by spyware that is natures way of telling you are to stupid to breed.

      Can you spot the subtle irony in this sentence? I new you cud!
    3. Re:A linux user wants to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If not: they haven't managed it in 2000 years so why would they suddenly start now?

      Good question. I believe they'd suddenly start now because the internet magnifies the effects of their stupidity in ways never before imagined. It also magnifies the effects of the intelligent and productive, but they are so few in comparison.

      Blatently and provably wrong things can now find a sympathetic audience of hundreds of millions or soon billions. Nonmalicious yet harmful cluelessness is magnified by the effect of a huge and idiotic buying public. In Plato's time it was difficult for the stupid to have more than local effects.

    4. Re:A linux user wants to know by crabpeople · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Ah a spyware apologist how gay.

      "But frankly I don't see the problem. I guess I have always had a soft spot for scammers. They are such nice evidence of evolution in action. If you been infected by spyware that is natures way of telling you are to stupid to breed."

      are you high? You condescending elitest asshole. News flash *EVERYONE* who is not a knowledgable computer user gets spyware. It doesnt matter where you go or what you do, all it takes is one misclick and BAM. owned. Calling people who get spyware stupid is like calling people who get sick because they went to the mall stupid. IT HAPPENS. How dare you take the side of spyware companies and spammers. You can't honestly say youve never gotten any spyware, no family members or friends have gotten spyware, and that your some kind of a master for running linux. OOO yeah your so fucking special arent you. God damn it people like you need to be punched in the face. Soft spot for scammers indicates to me that you probably are a scammer. And i hate spammers and scammers so much it boils my blood... They have no honour.

      "But even worse then the people that install this crap hoping to get something for nothing"
      Sort of like when i download a file from sourceforge?

      "Pity is that in our society it is the stupid who breed the most."
      Translation: I think im smart and thats why i dont get laid

      god damn spyware apologists...
      * awaits -1 troll* i dont care because it had to be said.

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    5. Re:A linux user wants to know by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      The stupid, en masse, sentenced Socrates to death. That was a pretty big effect, given his reputation.

      I agree with you, in part: the Internet gives people a venue to isolate themselves without acknowledging that fact: surround themselves with a bunch of other people saying the same thing, so they can feel like there are enough people that they can fool themselves into thinking they're a majority. (this applies very much to copyright infringement discussions on slashdot, for instance.) But the same thing happens with Faux News fanatics, or, 400 years ago, Catholics in the European religious wars. The mob effect is magnified, but it's not clear to me that it's enough larger than what has always existed to be a critical problem.

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  43. Re:cunning mingles by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 1

    You haven't read my sig, obviously.

  44. Smart... Real Smart... by lophophore · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No. Not a DDOS attack. That is completely illegal, and would lower you to (below?) their level.

    However... despite the distaste I have for lawyers, I think a class action lawsuit would be an appropriate retaliation. I would love to see the adware companies given a complete cash-ectomy, and that would make others think twice about it.

    I volunteer my share of the proceeds to the EFF.

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    1. Re:Smart... Real Smart... by Bullfish · · Score: 1

      I wasn't advocating it, just saying snubbing the public in such a fashion is apt to paint a target on their foreheads. I call it digging your grave with your tongue.

    2. Re:Smart... Real Smart... by scribblej · · Score: 1

      cash-ectomy! I love it.

      I'm unaware of a class action settlement that was a serious financial burden to a major company. Can you name one?

    3. Re:Smart... Real Smart... by lophophore · · Score: 1

      who says the Adware companies are "major"? A lot of little companies have been litigated to death.

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      * those who can't
  45. Re:er... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Not only that....the word glib became passe when Tom Cruise used it to berate Matt Lauer.

    Matt, Matt, you don't even -- you're glib. You don't even know what Ritalin is. If you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have to evaluate and read the research papers on how they came up with these theories, Matt, okay? That's what I've done. Then you go and you say where's the medical test? Where's the blood test that says how much Ritalin you're supposed to get?
  46. This will NEVER happen by Loundry · · Score: 0

    People need to learn to sto--

    This will NEVER happen.

    NEVER!

    I think the better advice is:

    People need to stop posting on slashdot that people need to learn to not click on spam and pop-up advertising.

    Queue the cascade of "people need to stop..." posts.

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    1. Re:This will NEVER happen by andrewman327 · · Score: 2, Funny
      People need to stop posting on /. that people need to stop posting on slashdot that people need to learn to not click on spam and pop-up advertising.


      Sorry, couldn't resist. Now, to keep things a little bit on topic, I generally agree with you about silly consumers being slow to learn their lesson, though it still surprises me how many people lack sense.

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  47. BBB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If only you could make money by running a consumer reports site that listed all the companies who advertise this way. And all the companies that install root kits, etc.

    It would be nice to have a site that I could run to before I purchased things to see if the manufacturer/distributor/reseller is on the blacklist.

    If the site had counters for each company to show how many people read their review and avoided doing business with that company because of their review...

    1. Re:BBB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny you should say that. I have been thinking for a while that I should setup an anonymous blog to name and shame the spammers (IP address, headers etc) and the companies and products they promote.

      My reasoning is that I am pissed off with the viagra, trading options, webform crap and other bullshit spam that I receive.

      I doubt anyone would pay attention because too many people are dumb and click on anything that is put in front of them.

      Posting anonymously because I'm not sure of the legality of the idea and methodology.

  48. Re:er...Find out just what any people will quietly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you think about it, it is just a re-statement of "Alll that is need for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing." Can't remember who said it, and may have the quote slightly wrong, but in essence it says the same thing. Heilein once said something to the effect that we get the government we deserve.

  49. Re:Here's how to stop it...or not!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh man, if only I had mod points right now. You are so lucky I used the last one earlier today.

  50. Remember.... by NalosLayor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The key thing to remember in all this is that when it comes to advertising, you aren't the customer, you're the product. Cows can't complain to the farmer that the slaughterhouse isn't sanitary.

    As someone else said, you can complain to the people who buy the ad space, but like cattle, that's likely to be just as effective. Therefore, the only thing you *can* do is fight, with alternative browsers, adware removal tools, good browsing habits, and by warning the rest of the, ahem, herd.

    If we make the product unsavory, we can run the slaughterhouses out of business!

  51. Re:My Dad Had ABetterInternet... It was a B* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but i got it off. do your work in safe mode - it wouldn't come off unlees you are in safe mode. iirc, it didn't come off in safe mode, either, unless you followed a strict procedure. google for solutions - they are out there.

    good luck - i burned a weekend removing ~2k malwares off his machine, installing firefox and hiding and relabeling internet explorer as "Do Not Use."

  52. Ahhh, nothing better than Usenet... by Nick+Driver · · Score: 1

    ... to find such high quality pr0n as this.

  53. Jiu Jitsu by beeblebrox · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I hereby propose a DRCFMSS:

    Direct Revenue Customer Funds Misallocation Screen Saver

    Basically, a virtual-machine-like sandbox that runs a DR-infected IE "clicking" on ads popped up as the "user" (networked spider/p2p agent) "browses" around, comparing notes with other agents and causing view and click fees to be charged to the asshat corps that pay DR for ads.

    You can even choose to participate in specific campaigns: "Hey folks, we're 'doing' Vonage this week!".

    Then you can also compile nice tables to show the same asshats how much of their ad budget was pissed away in this fashion.

  54. Different problem by coyote-san · · Score: 1

    That's a different problem. In this case the problem isn't what they're selling, it's how they're doing it. Nobody (within the statistical margin of error) would agree to having an ad pop up 30 times/day, and have it crash four times/day on top of that. So how did this software get onto those systems again? Were users given reasonable notice and a chance to decline installation of this software?

    Compounding that is the "dirty hands" observation that legitimate companies do not go to extreme measures to keep their software from being uninstalled. (Setting aside Microsoft and MSIE for the moment...)

    BTW it might have been legal for P T Barnum to get cute like that, but there is no doubt that anyone selling tuna as "white salmon" today would be breaking several laws. We can shake our head at the person who believes in "white salmon" without ignoring the fact that the seller committed fraud.

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    1. Re:Different problem by Chelloveck · · Score: 1
      BTW it might have been legal for P T Barnum to get cute like that, but there is no doubt that anyone selling tuna as "white salmon" today would be breaking several laws. We can shake our head at the person who believes in "white salmon" without ignoring the fact that the seller committed fraud.

      Right. These days, manufacturers are required to put the word "imitation" in front of "crab meat", in at least a 0.5pt font. But I wouldn't be surprised if you could actually get away with labeling tuna as "white salmon" so long as the words "made from tuna" were displayed somewhere visible by microscope.

      I bought a package of chicken the other day. In big, bold letters the package boasted, "Does not contain rat feces!" (Okay, it wasn't "rat feces", but I forget exactly what evil thing they were proud not to be putting in.) On the back, in microprint, the packaging said something to the effect of, "The USDA does not allow chicken with rat feces to be sold for human consumption." What does that mean? You guessed it! No chicken product in the store contains rat feces, despite this package implying that lesser brands do.

      I'm also amused when I see advertisements for products "Made with genuine USDA graded beef!" That's nice. Wonder why they don't mention which grade is being used...?

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  55. Smoking by coyote-san · · Score: 1

    yeah, yeah, yeah. Some people started to notice some of the dangers of smoking in the 19th Century. So what -- there were ads with the show's stars or "doctors" recommending specific brands of cigarettes into the 1950s, and the first gov't mandated warnings didn't appear until the late 60s. Even then tobacco companies threw up a smokescreen for decades.

    But that misses the broader point that one of the best predictors for whether you will smoke (iirc) is whether your parents or other close relatives smoke. Teenagers make a big production of being different from their parents, but the parents still model 'adult' behavior to a tremendous extend and teenagers aren't very open to being told what they can't do by authority figures. There's still far too many smokers, but you don't hear about 3- and 4-pack-a-day smokers any more.

    BTW, a good contemporary example is High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS). Twenty years ago (or so) it didn't exist, but now it's nearly impossible to avoid unless you prepare all of your food from scratch. The government says it's safe, but obesity has skyrocketed over the same period. How do you think your actions today will be seen in 40 years?

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    1. Re:Smoking by Trepalium · · Score: 1
      re: High Fructose Corn Syrup Twenty years ago (or so) it didn't exist, but now it's nearly impossible to avoid unless you prepare all of your food from scratch. The government says it's safe, but obesity has skyrocketed over the same period.
      Want to get rid of corn syrup? End government subsidies on corn. If corn becomes more expensive to purchase (somewhere in the neighbourhood of the price of what it costs to produce), HFCS will become uneconomical. There's not much chance it'll solve the obesity problem as the producers of these foods would simply switch to sugar and raise their prices a bit.

      No, the problem isn't in the corn syrup. It's prepared or fast foods and junk foods. Stop eating McDonald's food, TV dinners, and soft drinks and I'm pretty sure most people would lose weight. It's not rocket science.

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  56. I work for a spyware company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We get DDOS attacks all the time; not just from dissastisfied users, but also "distributors" that we cut off because they are not making us company. Presumably Direct Revenue, being much larger, deals with that too.

  57. A Quote from the Article by TwilightSentry · · Score: 1

    "I will f------ kill you and your families."

    Sheesh, what's next? Throwing chairs at their doorstep?

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  58. That's right, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    abolitionist Frederick Douglass: 'Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them.'"

    So, WTF is our government good for?
  59. If you can't build better systems by gelfling · · Score: 1

    Then build better antimalware tools. It's simple. I have a bunch of machines under my 'domain' and no matter how much you tell people what to do they don't. So don't make people download updates, don't make people run the scanners, don't make people decide whether to run the realtime portion and don't ask them to interpret a warning message when it finds something. Or just go back and build a better OS and browser like I said.

    I can hardly wait till Microsoft takes over the desktop security space. Because that of course will fix everything.

  60. No not everyone gets spyware by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
    Just like not every teenage girl who has sex gets pregnant and not every person who drinks drives a car.

    People like you who get infected by spyware just want the world to believe that it is not their fault, that they can't help it, that you are not to blame for your own stupid mistakes.

    It is the same mentallity that tries to ban games/movies/books because they make you violent. Blame everyone else but yourselve.

    Avoiding spyware and spam has nothing to do with computer knowledge it has to do with common sense. The same common sense that tells you not to enter those fake lotteries that tell you you have won if only you send in your order right now. The same common sense that tells you something is a pyramid scheme. It is what most of us use to tell us something is a scam.

    Most of us know when we are being hustled and walk the other way. When you do not that is your fault. Do not expect the rest of us to bend over just because you are too stupid.

    If that makes me elitist then good. Your kind seems to think that this is somekind of insult, it is not. It is praise. What ever you call me is fine with me just as long as you never ever claim I am like you.

    I don't want to live in a world with thousands of laws limiting everyone because a minority can't protect itself. Bans on smoking because some assholes can't be considerate and not smoke in front of other people. Bans on drinking because some people can't just take a cab home. Bans on games because some people can't control their violence. Bans on software because some people can't stop themselves from downloading everything with the word "free" on it.

    Oh and as for mentioning sourceforge. Opensource is not a free lunch. If you can't even spot that you are an ever greater moron then I thought. The really big difference between opensource "free" and spyware "free" is in the advertising. Spyware just tries to hard. Just try to find an opensource project that splashes "free" all over its webpage. Just check out getfirefox.com. One mention of the word free in a regular font size. Now compare this with spyware riddled sites like those "free smilies" sites.

    If you can't spot the difference you are an idiot. Nothing to do with computer skills, you will fall for any other scam as well. Your fault and not my problem and no need to turn goverment into a nanny-state.

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  61. So Nasty! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My favorite part of the article was where the spwyare company realized they were fsked because they were hosing their own computers with their spyware. Poetic justice, or just divine payback?

  62. Re:sig explained by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 1

    It only makes sense if you are familiar with the old saying that "...a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged." It's simultaneously a complaint that one's government may be more dangerous than the local crooks, and a justification for being a libertarian.

  63. Re:sig explained by ScottLindner · · Score: 1

    Gotcha. It makes sense now. I haven't heard the old saying before. Are you a Libertarian?

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  64. Mod Parent Up!! by geekyMD · · Score: 1

    MOD PARENT UP!

    Its people like the grandparent poster who make Linux completely inaccessible to the masses. Can't use Linux, its because you're too stupid, and not because I'm too (a lazy, b arrogant, c clueless) to program a simple working UI that works. 3 Linux distros, 4 days work, what do I have to show for it, an XP laptop. Of course, that's because I'm stupid according to people like you. But wait, Perhaps this in an inferiority complex? After all, I put an XP cd in the drive and 20 minutes later I've got a fully functional computer, no kernal recompiling, no driver hunting, it just works. Why didn't you program linux that well? For crying out loud, the latest version of Ubuntu doesn't even natively support WPA encryption. Perhaps the reason you don't have spyware is because you're not actually on the internet? (joke, I know, but I hope you see my point)

    In your opinion, perhaps Linux people with all their specialized knowledge should be the arbiters of who procreates and who doesn't? Then again, if its only specialized knowledge that's needed regardless of esoteric field, maybe the auto mechanics should be that arbiter, or maybe quantum physicists, or farmers, perhaps economists, or maybe roughnecks? Get over yourself. So you have specialized knowledge, so do most other people on this earth, you're just too blinded by your own arrogance to see it.

    Yes, I know this is flame bait and a troll, but sometimes a guy just can't take the 24/7 condescension from some of the Linux folks, purporting to have a great system. Saying 'My grandma can use it' is all well and good but when you can say your grandma can INSTALL it, then it will be a great system. For now, the most virtiolic ones really seem to be overcompensating, or at the very least are extremely detrimental to their own cause.

  65. Linux vs. Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, Virginia, Linux really is inherently more secure than Windows. There are many ways that one can make the point; one of the more graphical illustrations is here.

  66. Smoking is bad? by woolio · · Score: 1

    I'm a bit puzzled as to why it took the general public 100+ years to realize smoking is bad for one's health.

    In the old days, walls and ceilings would get discolored and stained from years of candle smoke.

    Did people really think that directly inhaling smoke from cigars, pipes, and cigarettes would be significantly different? (yes they don't burn wax, but still!) What about the housewives that had to clean things? Didn't they see the grime?

    The only think that has changed now is that the mainstream presses are publishing 'smoking is bad'. Now the public is felling silly and wants to blame someone else for it.

  67. Medical notice by DrYak · · Score: 1

    I know this post was intended as humor (but got modded as Insightful. This is slashdot, after all).

    I just wanted to draw attention that, using several layer of condoms (or any other latex-based protection medium) that wasn't specially designed to be used so (like the multi-layered gloves used in legal medicine for highly dangerouse environnement) is, in fact dangerous.
    Because the different layers rub against each other, which makes them poreous and weakens their protective capability.

    Use 1 normal condom (or alternatively, 1 condom of the thicker "anal" type), pour enough lubrificant on it (to diminish risk of tearing), retract and discard condom right after use.
    If the condom breaks, both you and the prostitute should run as soon as possible (within a few hours. Don't kill yourself driving too fast, but don't wait a few days either) to a hospital for tests and, if one is found to be carying some virus or bacteria, starting an adapted treatment for the other one.
    Even AIDS, if treatement is started within the first few hours after the incident, can have a good chance to be treated.
    (The problem is, the treatment can be toxic. It's too dangerous (and btw too expensive, too) to just give it to anyone who comes to the hospital complaining about a broken condom. The sexual partner should be tested to evaluate the risks of transmission vs. risks of treatment.
    I repeat : This is not a Moning-after-pill but much more dangerous)
    Don't be afraid to go to a hospital, the medical staff is supposed to keep discretion.

    Of course, this may be a little bit trickier in countries having silly laws making the prostitute illegal.

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    To return back to the joke : just as it is very clumsy and un-optimal to use several condoms, there's a high risk that if a newbie is trying to setup a huge pile of several dozens of security, the newbie will very likely do it clumsily and end up offering a mush wider range of security gaps to potential hackers due to many misconfigured layers.

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