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Firefox Crop Circles Prove Intelligent Alien Life

This past weekend, the OSU Linux Users Group descended on a field in Oregon to create a 45,000+ square foot crop circle of Firefox. The photos and write-up are worth checking out.

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  1. Bonus geek points for not using GPS by XorNand · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bonus geek points for using an HP graphing calculator and string instead of GPS. Though I'm not quite sure why the farmers would give permission for parts of their crop to be destroyed (even if he/she's an OSS advocate).

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    1. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by Zentac · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I read a peace about some crop cicles in Germany that seemed pretty much the same size as this one and the damages where about EUR500, I'm not sure what a field dos but I can imagine its less than a percent of the total harvest.

    2. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 4, Funny

      Probably something about getting the kids out of the basement, even for just a couple days.

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    3. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by Tweekster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      maybe the crop was already in bad shape to begin with...not much to salvage etc. OR he is letting that field lay fallow (or grow a different crop but not harvest it) so he doesnt care if it is messed up a bit.

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    4. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Funny

      A field of dos would be quite fertile, however you might have some trouble growing lotus flowers on it.

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    5. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by RingDev · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I didn't look to close, but it was either grass hay or weat. ~43,000 square feet = 1 acre. 1 acre = what, like 60 bushels of wheat? A bushel of wheat is probably under $4. Even if the crop was completely unsalvagable, which is unlikely, the farmer is out $240 gross proffit. After associated costs per acre (seed, fuel, time, etc...) the farmer is probably turning $40 per acre if he's lucky.

      Not exactly a huge loss, or anti-green movement.

      -Rick

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    6. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by vidarh · · Score: 4, Informative

      The article says it was oats, and wikipedia lists a typical yield as 100 bushels an acre, and a quick Google search indicates a per bushel average price for oats around the $1.50 mark, so it seems like it's even lower. Considering the large unfilled parts of the symbol, even if all of the stomped on parts are unsalvageble the real lost revenue would be unlikely to be more than half that.

    7. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by gordonel · · Score: 3, Informative

      It was an 80 acre field - we only stomped down a very small portion of it (perhaps half an acre). They'll be harvesting the whole thing in a week or two.

    8. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by Richard+Steiner · · Score: 1

      A clever boy, but those lotuses'll grow quite nicely if you spread sheets of them on the ground.

      Or is it sheet-loads? :-)

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    9. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by bcat24 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think a field DOS would run you about 640K.

    10. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by IamNotAgeek · · Score: 1

      WTF. I grew up driving a combine harvesting wheat and barley. If you can get 722 bushels/acre of oats then that would be a miracle. I suggest you get a clue.

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    11. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suggest that he meant "metric bushels/metric acre"... Hmm there seems to be no such thing... I guess he's just a moron.

    12. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by RingDev · · Score: 1

      Sorry about the mis-calc on bushels of wheat, I googled for average bushels of wheat per acre and most of the responses I saw were saying 38 to 60.

      I skipped out on the FFA, but I grew up throwing bails. I wasn't interested in the farming aspect, I just had chores to do. My wife on the other hand, she is an agronomist, so I'll ask her to correct me later tonight ;)

      -Rick

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    13. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by RingDev · · Score: 1

      It looks like I accepted you explaination too early. Further investigation dug up this article: http://www.nass.usda.gov/wi/crops/smallgra.pdf Which states that the US average bushels per acre for oats is 63.1

      -Rick

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    14. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by Sporkinum · · Score: 1

      Hewlett-Packard Company: Us Calculator Repair Center
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    15. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the creator just shelled out the $2.50 that the farmer would have gotten for that field.

    16. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by tjw · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the fact that the combine will probably still be able to harvest much of what's been knocked down. It' just a matter of how thorough they were in stomping the oats they knocked over into the ground.

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  2. auto generated crop circle... by aapold · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not implying that this is, but... how hard would it be to make a web gadget that would auto-generate an image of a crop circle based on a simple 2-color bitmap.... (image only, don't want something that hacks into automated tractors)...

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    1. Re:auto generated crop circle... by Senzei · · Score: 1
      (image only, don't want something that hacks into automated tractors)...
      Aww, well take all the fun out of it why don't ya? As for your question, probably not very hard to get something working, much more difficult to make it look convincing. You could pretty easily make something that looks decent provided the crops in the picture are roughly consistent in color though.
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    2. Re:auto generated crop circle... by Tx · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Check this worth1000 contest, a few entries are oustanding. Mid-to-high level Photoshoppery, but not outstandingly hard stuff.

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    3. Re:auto generated crop circle... by novus+ordo · · Score: 1

      How about programming a robot using GPS to do the same? Would be a hell of a project.

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    4. Re:auto generated crop circle... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      (image only, don't want something that hacks into automated tractors)...

      I don't know, if you craeteed a machinf that made the crop circles automatically, then farmers maigh be able to sell there fields to advertisers

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    5. Re:auto generated crop circle... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      A web object that would accept a simple 2-color bitmap and output an aerial photograph of the actual crop-circle pattern that the big machine it controlled had generated would be cooler. But you'd have to have a lot of spare land for the whole big mechanism to roll around on. And I dont think a PayPal link would cover the expenses...

    6. Re:auto generated crop circle... by inio · · Score: 1

      Seems like it wouldn't be that hard. Image Analogies would be perfect methinks.

  3. This just in! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot headline disproves intelligent human life.

  4. At least these make sense. by Humming+Frog · · Score: 5, Funny

    It makes sense that geeks would be the ones making crop circles. Aliens surely have better things to do.

    1. Re:At least these make sense. by Kelson · · Score: 1
      Aliens surely have better things to do.

      If nothing else, the upkeep on their cloaking devices has got to keep them busy.

    2. Re:At least these make sense. by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2, Funny

      What do you mean? The aliens were in an adjacent field, doing work that Americans are too lazy/cool to do.

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    3. Re:At least these make sense. by niceone · · Score: 1

      Of course it's geeks who make crop circles - the only question is if they are alien geeks or not.

  5. Firefox Ad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ET prefers Firefox!

  6. The Aliens use open source? by FortKnox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe that's how Jeff Goldblum uploaded the virus to the mothership...

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    1. Re:The Aliens use open source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Seeing as how Jeff Goldblum used an old Apple powerbook, I think it's a safe assumption aliens used the Appletalk protocol. No wonder the aliens were defeated so easily...

    2. Re:The Aliens use open source? by guabah · · Score: 1

      What, I thought they were using a windows NT based system.

    3. Re:The Aliens use open source? by delinear · · Score: 1

      No wonder they switched to OSS. It's great for publicity, but we're screwed in the next invasion...

  7. This might make me switch from Opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But I have a life.

  8. Oblig. M. Night Shyamlam by vnangia · · Score: 1

    "I see crop circles..."

    1. Re:Oblig. M. Night Shyamlam by bernywork · · Score: 1

      I think you mean "M. Night Shyamalan"

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    2. Re:Oblig. M. Night Shyamlam by LinuxIsRetarded · · Score: 0

      Actually I believe you mean M. Night Shalamazam (or quite possibly M. Night Shalamalamadingdong).

    3. Re:Oblig. M. Night Shyamlam by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

      Hahah - I call him that too! (dingdong) "What a twist!"

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  9. Permission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    While it may be fun and games, doing this without permission causes great losses to farm land. It can cost on the order of tens of thousands of dollars in damage when people go out in hopes of creating one of these hoaxes.

    Glad they got permission for this one.

    1. Re:Permission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It can cost on the order of tens of thousands of dollars in damage when people go out in hopes of creating one of these hoaxes."

      Wow! I didn't know that you could farm pure gold!

      Seriously, a better perception of orders of magnitude would be better for all of us.

    2. Re:Permission by delinear · · Score: 1

      You may scoff, but this kind of lark can seriously damage opium dealers' profit margins. Porsches don't grow on trees, you know (but they can grow from the humble poppy).

  10. Oregonian Entertainment by NoData · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess that's how you amuse yourself when you live in Idaho's Portugal.

    1. Re:Oregonian Entertainment by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Hey, Colbert can laugh all he wants. I'm loving the fact that it's a beautiful, sunny, 68 degree day in the middle of freakin' August.

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  11. This is just way cool.... by FlyingGuy · · Score: 0

    This just shows the dedication to OSS!

    I would imagine they got permission from the farmer or at least I would have. Farmers up that way tend to carry guns!

    Great pics, especialy the good looking lil geek babe in pic #77. Bonus!

    The fox will eat the explorer and spoil the opera.

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    1. Re:This is just way cool.... by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      Great pics, especialy the good looking lil geek babe in pic #77. Bonus!

      At the moment; viewed 98 times

      Close up of tape measure; 73 times

      Out of focus closeup of oats; 68 times

      Geek guy; 47 times

      Well, there you have it guys, you're less interesting than an out of focus picture of oats.

      KFG

    2. Re:This is just way cool.... by gordonel · · Score: 1

      This is her blog. And I'm pretty sure she's single. :D

    3. Re:This is just way cool.... by pennyher0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, that's my OLD BLOG. Don't GO THERE.

      I'm at pennyhero.net now. my blogspot one is going bye bye.

    4. Re:This is just way cool.... by bettse · · Score: 1

      She's definitely cute :)

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    5. Re:This is just way cool.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      She's single, bisexual and looking: http://okcupid.com/profile?u=janen.

    6. Re:This is just way cool.... by kfg · · Score: 1

      I think I'd get along with your cat, but we'd have M. Night "issues." :)

      KFG

  12. This proves what life? by 27,000 · · Score: 3, Funny

    It proves a collection of browser zealots have plenty of free time and not much else to do with it. I mean, cool advertising, but some extraterrestrial's gotta be laughing at us.

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    1. Re:This proves what life? by Tweekster · · Score: 1

      Wait, you think they will start laughing at us FOR this?

      please, Planet Earth is the Alabama of the universe.

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    2. Re:This proves what life? by Aadain2001 · · Score: 1

      They have free time because it's Summer. There are no classes at Oregon State University right now (at least, not many), which is where this group is based (go Beavers!).

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    3. Re:This proves what life? by DaveM753 · · Score: 1

      ...but some extraterrestrial's gotta be laughing at us.

      Why, because he/she uses Opera?

      :P

    4. Re:This proves what life? by MoOsEb0y · · Score: 1

      Oh come on! You can take such exciting classes as HHS 231 and HST 203 during the summer! That's WAY better than say.. an internship at a mega tech firm.

    5. Re:This proves what life? by Aadain2001 · · Score: 1

      Or sitting in your apartment for days on end working on your MS research, which involves running countless computer simulations and writting your thesis.... *cough*

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  13. I tried to make a funny IE joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But there's nothing funny about a shitty browser.

  14. Interstellar Support by hiroller · · Score: 1

    Just goes to prove that aliens are for OSS too...

  15. Bonus for getting permission from the farmer. by Frumious+Wombat · · Score: 3, Funny

    Otherwise, I'd have to suggest the perpetrators be sentenced to muck-out a feedlot or two.

    "Use Open-Source on My FARM!?! That's what did more damage to my oats than a hailstorm followed by locusts last year!"

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  16. Dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this news? What a waste of time and resources

  17. When asked for a reaction... by Mahler · · Score: 1
  18. Just what Firefox needs by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This makes the local news (and maybe gets picked up somewhere), and a few pissed off IE6 users might hear "Firefox, firefox, firefox" a few more times. And that might be all it takes for a few hundred more converts.

  19. Nice to see... by Alioth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nice to see at least someone wearing a kilt.

    Also, as for the naysayers, I suspect the farmer gave permission because:
    - that many people milling around the farm would have been noticed
    - taking off a light plane AND a Robinson R22 helo off the farm would certainly get noticed by the farmer.

    1. Re:Nice to see... by pennyher0 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The farmer DID give permission. It says so right in the write up. She seemed really excited to have us and was sad that her husband was out of the state and might not see it before the circle goes away.

    2. Re:Nice to see... by KlomDark · · Score: 1

      Boy her husband is gonna be PISSED when he gets back.

      You let a bunch of geeks do WHAT??

    3. Re:Nice to see... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Putting some pleets in a piece of cotton does not a kilt make.

      It's a skirt. Which is fine, buy it is not a kilt.

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    4. Re:Nice to see... by gordonel · · Score: 1

      Naw, he was really excited about it too. :)

    5. Re:Nice to see... by Frightening · · Score: 1

      Yeah but..why was she excited to see you guys. No offense or anything, but you see I tried to explain what firefox was to my cousin the other day - and she thought I was trying to take her out on a date (which I was) - but it was impossible. How can a very non-technical person be as pro OSS as us? Or is she technical?

      I just can't imagine why she wanted to see you at all.

    6. Re:Nice to see... by mckim · · Score: 1

      Actually, it is a kilt, a Utilikilt to be exact. I would know, I'm the one wearing it. :-) (For those sticklers out there, a kilt is technically a skirted garment, but the fact remains that I am wearing a kilt.)

      It may not be traditional Scottish tartan, but it is a modern version, and much more practical for doing things like stomping around in a field of oats.

    7. Re:Nice to see... by powers_722 · · Score: 1

      I would say RTFA, but you apparently didn't read the summary either.

      I preemptively declare RTFT to mean 'Read the Full Title.'

    8. Re:Nice to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's amazing how much tech farmers use nowadays. Automated milking machines, and other stuff, lots of computers... So she might not have been totally non-techie.

  20. So much fun! by pennyher0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This was probably the most fun I ever had in my life. And now it's on slashdot! It can't get any better!

    I challenge others to come up with other ways to creatively promote the stuff they love. Try and beat this! muahahaha. :)

    TAKE BACK THE [insert your geek-dom here].

    1. Re:So much fun! by Ponga · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, which one are you in the photos? Also, there was a GIRL present? A REAL one??
      Thanks,
      --Ponga

      P.S. - Nice work!!

    2. Re:So much fun! by gordonel · · Score: 1

      We are basically awesome, Emily.

    3. Re:So much fun! by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      Based on annother comment, it sounds like the female is the farmer or wife of the farmer.

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    4. Re:So much fun! by gordonel · · Score: 1

      Nope, we're two girls from the OSLUG.

    5. Re:So much fun! by pennyher0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      me and gordonel!

      *does the girl geek dance*

    6. Re:So much fun! by pennyher0 · · Score: 1

      but YOU got to FLY IN THE HELICOPTER!

      OMG! We made a Firefox crop circle, Beth!

    7. Re:So much fun! by the+phantom · · Score: 1

      Is that a Super Decathalon that I see?

    8. Re:So much fun! by ptbarnett · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Is that a Super Decathalon that I see?

      It's a Super Cub. See this picture:

      http://lug.oregonstate.edu/gallery/firefox-crop-ci rcle/dscn1024

      Someone else brought a Robinson R22, too:

      http://lug.oregonstate.edu/gallery/firefox-crop-ci rcle/mg_5513

    9. Re:So much fun! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Later tonight in an oat field outside Amity, OR a giant patch of the field will be found burned to ash in the shape of a giant stylized "e". Witnesses will report seeing a large cube a few thousand meters wide burning the image into the field with a green energy beam of some sort.

    10. Re:So much fun! by DavidD_CA · · Score: 1

      Be careful what you wish for.

      Someone advocate might just make a crop circle representation for goatse.cx

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    11. Re:So much fun! by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      I challenge others to come up with other ways to creatively promote the stuff they love. Try and beat this! muahahaha. :)

      I'm boring. I bought the browser I prefer...

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    12. Re:So much fun! by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      That was an interesting project but if you start getting inquiries from the government or one Linda Moulton Howe (who has a major interest in crop circles and regularly reports on them for the Coast to Coast AM radio show), run for it! :-)

    13. Re:So much fun! by Lars+T. · · Score: 1
      Also, there was a GIRL present? A REAL one??

      That must have been the alien life.

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    14. Re:So much fun! by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Hold your course Mr. Coward, we must follow them back, repair what ever damage they've done.

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    15. Re:So much fun! by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      Geek girl dance?

      I call fake! We need pics! NAO! ;)

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    16. Re:So much fun! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    17. Re:So much fun! by Xerxes77 · · Score: 1

      Man in the moon...? Or fox?!

    18. Re:So much fun! by the+phantom · · Score: 1

      Ah. Thank you. That is a much better picture than the one I found, which was taken from farther away. :)

  21. In related news ... by eck011219 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... one Washington farmer reported a complete loss after IE enthusiasts recreated a blue screen of death across his soybean field.

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    1. Re:In related news ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, try this.

    2. Re:In related news ... by Kelson · · Score: 4, Funny
      one Washington farmer reported a complete loss after IE enthusiasts recreated a blue screen of death across his soybean field.

      Sure, anyone can flood a field with water!

  22. trigger happy photographer by binarybum · · Score: 5, Funny

    man, talk about beating the magic out something - that's a hell of a lot of pictures.

        but I guess sometimes it's just really hard to decide between posting this shot or this one on your website.

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    1. Re:trigger happy photographer by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      This is the tragedy of digital imagry. When you had to burn film to take photos, and burn paper to make a print there was less temptation to serve up thousands of repetitive pictures.

      Now, with cell-cameras everywhere and no cost with taking or posting an image expect things to get worse and worse.

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    2. Re:trigger happy photographer by Ponga · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree with you generally, but this is not always a bad thing. It's only bad when EVERY SINGLE PHOTO taken gets posted or printed or whatever. Photographers nowadays need to become editors/critics as well, weed out the wheat from the chaff. So what if you take 1000 photos? Just be sure to only post the 100 best and discard the rest! (which this guy obviously did not do.)
      --Ponga

    3. Re:trigger happy photographer by arodland · · Score: 1

      The point is this. Suppose you're taking a picture of something that's not not staying static; take three on burst, and it's less likely that they'll all be marred by a shake or a passing shadow or a bird, or... who knows what. If you're taking a picture of something that's going to stay around a while, take 5 or 10 or 20 shots, whatever you've got time for, because your intuition about exposure could be wrong, it might look better from three inches to the left, or your memory card could get eaten by a grue.

      The point is that once you've done all that, you should throw away between 75% and 90% of all of the shots you've taken. You have the flexibility to choose the absolute best images of any given subject, and not show the world your subpar crap. It's the last bit that's missing more often than not ;)

    4. Re:trigger happy photographer by MrFebtober · · Score: 1

      The most amusing part of the gallery for me was noticing which pics got the most views. It is pretty evident to me that the shots with the females in them have gotten a bit more attention than the shots just containing dudes.

      Just a humorous observation.

    5. Re:trigger happy photographer by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      There are a few downsides to taking 1000 photos. You're using up/wearing out batteries unnecessarilly. I've seen sickening piles of batteries on the ground after a photo-heavy event. The worst drawback is the countless people who don't even watch the event, they watch their camera. Taking countless photos, just like all the other photos all the other cameras are taking. I've seen people hiking around in the mountains, never looking away from their camera. People at a concert, same deal. I really don't get it, and I think it's sad.

      Oh, and it detracts from the moment for everyone else. When I'm at a party I prefer to interact with other people. I don't appreciate flashes in my eyes, people ignoring me so they can take pictures of me, especially when it is nonstop. At least with film they'd run out eventually.

      Besides editing, organization would have helped in this case. A group of overhead, crew, close-up, design, etc. would have made the number of images less overwhelming.

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    6. Re:trigger happy photographer by lahvak · · Score: 1

      When I was a kid, my dad gave me my first camera for my birthday, and as a part of the present, he arranged a friend of his, who was a professional photographer, to give me lessons. One of the first things this guy told me was that in general you shoot about two or thre rolls of film in order to have one or two great pictures.

      So you are right, the problem is not that too many pictures gat taken, the problem is that the photographer does not bother to go through them and select the good ones. Instead, they post everything and leave the job of selecting to the viewer. I took one look at the gallery, clicked on one picture, and left, because there is just too much crap to sort through.

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    7. Re:trigger happy photographer by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention all his pics are ruined given he has dirt specs inside the camera.

    8. Re:trigger happy photographer by gordonel · · Score: 1

      which camera? These were taken with several...

    9. Re:trigger happy photographer by radish · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I'm a photographer and take thousands of shots (gotta love digital). But editing is key. Like the other day I was at a 4 hour shoot with 6 models and took maybe 1500 shots - I have that currently down to around 30 "keepers" and I'll trim further yet. The only ones I want anyone else to see are the truly awesome ones, and they're rare.

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    10. Re:trigger happy photographer by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 1

      Whichever camera took both of the GP linked shots. Whoever's camera took those is seriously is in need of an internal cleaning in a bad way.

  23. In other news... by steveo777 · · Score: 1

    The multiple T1 internet connection that keeps students and faculty plugged in to the net was lost for over four hours, says an OSU student. Apparently after half an hour without it caused mass hysteria. People fled to the "out of doors" in droves, and hospitals are reporting epidemic level cases of sunburn. Back to you Burnie...

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  24. Re:Oh yeah! think that's cool? by williamvergara · · Score: 0

    Within the report though was also the statement that the financial institution is forecasting that the Nintendo Wii will retail in for 19,800 yen.

    Uhh... sure.

  25. Best arial shots here by Ponga · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you dont want to bother looking through all the pics (lots!) - here are the best arial shots: http://lug.oregonstate.edu/gallery/firefox-crop-ci rcle?page=12

  26. The crops are valueless. by Colin+Smith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Though I'm not quite sure why the farmers would give permission for parts of their crop to be destroyed (even if he/she's an OSS advocate)."

    Because of the subsidies the crops have been overproduced into worthlessness. In the case of corn it fetches something around $2 per bushel on the open market, but $3 per bushel to grow the stuff. You the taxpayer, well, essentially burn money to keep farmers buzzing around on their big tonka toys feeling productive.

    Oh and in the process, devastating the economies and agricultural markets of third world countries causing widespread famine and poverty.

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    1. Re:The crops are valueless. by pavon · · Score: 1, Interesting
      Oh and in the process, devastating the economies and agricultural markets of third world countries causing widespread famine and poverty.
      That is bull. We may not be supporting third-world economies as much as we could by buying thier crops exclusively rather than a mix of domestic and imported agriculture, but that does not equate to devistating them. Furthermore, all the major recent famines have been due to lack of rain or corrupt local governments - not the first-world countries.
    2. Re:The crops are valueless. by geekoid · · Score: 1

      thats right, because if they could grow corn and sell it they could feed themselves... wait.

      Why don't they sell/barter it locally?
      They do not need to enter the American market.

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    3. Re:The crops are valueless. by vidarh · · Score: 5, Insightful
      You miss the point. By exporting heavily subsidized food the industrialised countries are not only depriving third world countries of farming revenue from export, but as a result also upsetting their trade balance and making it hard for third world farmers to compete even in their own markets. One of the results is that a lot of third world farming have changed from focusing on foodcrops to crops that are higher income because the industrialised countries aren't subsidising them or aren't growing them, such as coffee, tobacco etc.

      A significant effect of this is that many third world countries are far more vulnerable to things like drought than they used to be, as their own foodcrops are small to start with, and droughts now for many countries both devastate their revenues - affecting their ability to pay for food imports - and reduce the yields of their already too small food crops. Whereas with mainly food crops, drought would mean reduced exports and revenue, but still leave them with significant food reserves.

      There are certainly examples of mismanagement too, such as Zimbabwe, but corruption is rarely a major factor in affecting the levels of food production.

    4. Re:The crops are valueless. by gkhan1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually it does. Large scale agriculture, the kind that turns the 3rd world to the 1st world is 100% reliant on trade. If they cannot sell it, they cannot grow very much of it. Ergo, make no money and they cannot develop to the point where they can survive a drought. Ergo, they starve. By so heavily subsidizing 1st world agriculture (like the US and the EU does), they are indeed devastating many economies that could become quite fruitful. And for what? Making sure that 2% of the population will vote for them? This is not a "Well, it's not like we are making the situation worse" scenario, this is a "My neighbours house is on fire, but I don't want to spend a little money for water from my hose" kind of a situation.

    5. Re:The crops are valueless. by triffid_98 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I believe the issue is that if it's cheaper to buy corn from overseas than to produce it locally in your african desert region of choice, then there is no money to buy things that cannot be produced by the farmer and are needed for farming (e.g. fertilizer, seed, tools), therefore you have yet another african family of 12 to stare at in the latest Sally Struthers 'save the children' infomercial.

      Of course, since no one is forcing said country to buy corn from overseas at the expense of their own people you can just as easily place the blame there.

      thats right, because if they could grow corn and sell it they could feed themselves... wait. Why don't they sell/barter it locally? They do not need to enter the American market.
    6. Re:The crops are valueless. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there any credance given to the concept that we're subsidizing our grain production to avoid developing a dependancy on an outside market for our most basic food source?
      I've heard that we subsidize farmers so we never have to worry about getting jacked on the price of grain in the forgien market, but I don't know enough economics to know if that makes sense to people who know what hey're talking about.
      -Carrie Floyd

    7. Re:The crops are valueless. by flink · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Of course, since no one is forcing said country to buy corn from overseas at the expense of their own people you can just as easily place the blame there.

      Depending on whether the country in question has gone through "debt restructuring" via the IMF, then yes, someone may be forcing them to buy imported produce. Or they might be forced to cease offering subsidies to their own farmers and export their own produce.
    8. Re:The crops are valueless. by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

      Sure, keep telling yourself that next time you see the pictures of famine and starvation in Africa. We're driving the 3rd world into famine and poverty so we don't have to pay over the odds occasionally on international market price of corn/oats/wheat/whatever.

      If production goes down on a commodity, it's price/value increases and more people subsequently start producing it or customers switch to something else. High prices are temporary, they correct themselves.

      There's a case for a base load of production to make sure that local famines are unlikely but beyond that there should be no subsidies. Gross overproduction kills people.

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    9. Re:The crops are valueless. by triffid_98 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I don't recall mentioning subsidies, merely buying the local farmers product at whatever 'market price' equates to. As for IMF restucturing, I'm unaware of any such requirement (on imported produce). Can you provide an example?

      Depending on whether the country in question has gone through "debt restructuring" via the IMF, then yes, someone may be forcing them to buy imported produce. Or they might be forced to cease offering subsidies to their own farmers and export their own produce.
    10. Re:The crops are valueless. by tiongks · · Score: 1
      "a lot of third world farming have changed from focusing on foodcrops to crops that are higher income because the industrialised countries aren't subsidising them or aren't growing them, such as coffee, tobacco, ..."

      marijuana, cocaine....
    11. Re:The crops are valueless. by FSWKU · · Score: 2, Interesting

      *sigh*...Slashdot: From Tech Article to Political Wanking in 3 posts...

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    12. Re:The crops are valueless. by hcob$ · · Score: 2, Insightful
      By exporting heavily subsidized food the industrialised countries are not only depriving third world countries of farming revenue from export, but as a result also upsetting their trade balance and making it hard for third world farmers to compete even in their own markets.
      Sure, let's kill off the main source of income for a large portion of the midwest and south... Nothing like a nice boost to inflation, jobless/welfare claims, foreclosures, and everyone's grocery bill to make you feel all nice and cozy in your insane and impossible world.

      You want to see a stressful job? Go sit around the table of a family that owns a farm during one of the worst draughts in the past 50 years. Try explaining to the children there that you think it's better to take away their father's job, farm, their house, and throw them on welfare because some "third world" country needs the US's support more.
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    13. Re:The crops are valueless. by freakxx · · Score: 1

      I can suggest u a cool job rather... If you want to creat another Firefox-corp-logo, go sit around the table of a family that owns a farm flooded with subsidies. Try explaining to the parents and the children there that you think it's better to let their corps distroyed for a Firefox logo instead of supporting hungry people in few third world countries(among them, many are not responsible themselves for their such a miserable condition)!! Be sure, u will have permission to fuck their corp!

    14. Re:The crops are valueless. by beh · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure you're quite getting the point.

      Of course, in the short term, it would (slightly) inconvenience the agriculture-heavy European economies (e.g. France) economies as well as the American economy, if the farming subsidies were eliminated.

      On the other hand - at the same time, this would create new jobs, because if all of a sudden African farmers could start selling more and more of their own grain/... in Europe and the US, then that will create new needs there (e.g. agricultural machinery, for instance) as well as new wealth there (which would likely go into more "luxury" goods; many of which get produced IN those economies which would yield the subsidies), which in turn means that US and European manufacturing businesses would find new markets to sell to - and hence also require new people to work for them.

      At the same time, while spending on subsidies will be saved, this frees up money, which could either result in lower taxation (which would make the whole economy more competitive again, because costs go down), or the money could be used to try and fix that runaway budget deficit...

      But, yes, for at least a few years, the economy will take a hit. (while at the same time, depriving it of new potential markets for other workers than the subsidised farmers).

    15. Re:The crops are valueless. by delinear · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Go sit around the table of any family where the main bread-winner's business is not making enough money and you'll see the same. The only difference is that everyone else doesn't then receive massive subsidies from the government to keep their failing business ticking over. If the business is failing, get out of it and into something else.

      It might actually benefit the economy to not be pouring so much money into a huge sink - sure the result may be some short-term job losses, but more money in circulation will eventually balance that out. The need to heavily subsidise farmers existed in the past, it no longer exists, and while helping out third world farmers might not be top of your list of priorities, if you can do that as a side effect of fixing your own economy, everyone wins.

    16. Re:The crops are valueless. by zome · · Score: 1

      In Oregon, they don't grow corn, the grow grass and sell grass seeds.

    17. Re:The crops are valueless. by SleeknStealthy · · Score: 1

      Common Sense is hard to come by, welcome to Slashdot.

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    18. Re:The crops are valueless. by PybusJ · · Score: 1

      Perhaps it's conservation?

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3783491.stm

      Though I'm not sure Oregon has a skylark population.

    19. Re:The crops are valueless. by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      No land, drought, rampant corruption among agricultural and other other government officials, periodic visits from hungry/greedy bandits and warlord thugs with guns, can't afford decent fertilizers/pesticides, and 1,000 other reasons why even a subsistence farm is hard to maintain in the third-world.

      -Eric

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    20. Re:The crops are valueless. by dbc001 · · Score: 1

      I didn't see any tech article linked there... I thought this was about Crop Circles? And you're pretty messed up if you can't see how mentioning the possible harm done by farm subsidies adds value to a discussion of Crops, even if we do have to set aside the humorous part for a moment.

    21. Re:The crops are valueless. by gral · · Score: 1

      High prices are temporary, they correct themselves.

      Yeah, tell that to the oil companies. I think their idea of correcting themselves, is with HIGHER prices.

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  27. Missing component by Zildy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Isn't the tail in the logo supposed to be on fire?

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    1. Re:Missing component by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      What, you wanted them to set the whole field on fire?

      These young ones, such destructive personalities...

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  28. How about permission from the logo's *author*? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if they bothered to ask Jon Hicks, the graphic designer who drew the Firefox logo, for the original vector outlines.

    Since drawing that logo, incidentally, Jon has dumped Firefox in favor of Safari, which integrates much better with its host OS, has superior support for standards, and is in general much more asthetically aware (as is its core development team). What does Jon know that thousands of rabid Firefox fans don't?

    1. Re:How about permission from the logo's *author*? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, homosexuals tend to love Macs.

      That's why I avoid both.

  29. OMG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Look at the size of that thing! It's almost as big as Firefox' memory footprint!

    1. Re:OMG! by BooRolla · · Score: 1

      That's what she said!

  30. Google Satellite Image by oskard · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Maybe the google earth cameras picked it up! "

    Hope they will soon!

    The location of the crop circle is somewhere in the vicinity of here

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    1. Re:Google Satellite Image by emsearcy · · Score: 2, Informative

      er, no. Try 45.124N by 123.113W. Not that you can see it (yet).

    2. Re:Google Satellite Image by swaq · · Score: 1

      I go to OSU and I am friends with a few of the guys at the OSL. I just talked with Eric Searcy, who used to be my roommate, and he gave me this link for the Google Maps location: http://maps.google.com/?q=45.12402N+123.113008W (it's not up yet, but that's where it'll be)

    3. Re:Google Satellite Image by Kelson · · Score: 1
      "Maybe the google earth cameras picked it up! "

      Wait, Google has their own satellites now?

    4. Re:Google Satellite Image by hankwang · · Score: 1
      Google does not own a network of satellites. They bought the imagery, which has been taken over the course of several years.

      Of course, you might be lucky enough that new images are taken right in this 2-week window, but don't bet on it.

    5. Re:Google Satellite Image by binarybum · · Score: 4, Funny

      Google does not own a network of satellites

          Oh man, I think it's hilarious that you believe that. Sure... Google doesn't own a network of satellites, and they're not watching you right now either, and they're not building lasers on the moon either... Hey, whatever lets you sleep at night dude.

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    6. Re:Google Satellite Image by Kelson · · Score: 4, Funny
      and they're not building lasers on the moon either

      I'd always wondered what they needed that moon base for!

    7. Re:Google Satellite Image by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but they do own their own customised 747.
      Lots of the Google pics are taken by planes. They could do a special fly-over with a mounted camera while they hang out in the jacuzzi.

  31. Vulcan captain: "Prepare for landing+First Contact by D4C5CE · · Score: 1
    ...by uninstalling IE they've shown to everyone in orbit that finally this world is ready."
    (See Star Trek VIII for details...)
  32. fanatic fanboys w/ no lives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, I swear-by firefox as my web browser, but c'mon, get a life people.

  33. Not that intelligent by QuantumFTL · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    If the aliens were really intelligent, they would have left an Opera circle.

    1. Re:Not that intelligent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sure would be easier.

  34. Error in title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi,
    I think you meant to call it a Firefox Crop Sign.
    Thanks,
    M. Night Shyamalan

    1. Re:Error in title by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      Despite depicting crop circles as a sign of a coming invasion, they actually had almost nothing to do with the usage of the word "Signs" as the title of the film.

      Swing Away, Merrill.

  35. Re:Oh yeah! think that's cool? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hype it up mister.

  36. WTF Are you talking about you fool? by Khyber · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    My grandfather gets paid $7 a bushel for his corn crop - wherever you get your resorces is BULLSHIT, because I get a cut of the profit every year as a farm-hand in Mississippi and Alabama. I even cut my hands on the cotton bolls when I go to harvest my grandpa's shit. Whatever you're talking about, you're not a farmer - and before any economist idiot can come by with "Standard" prices - depends upon the grower's reputation/quality of the grown product as to what makes the price - don't you ever fucking forget that. Remember that nice cashmere sweater that costs 200 bucks as opposed to the same plant material that's only judged inferior going for 300 because it's a more recognized name? Bingo - it's all about the name, pal. People will pay more for Name-brand cotton than corporate-cheapass name cotton. It's been proven thruout the times , and it will almost always work until the general population gets smarter and discovers this simple truth - untiul then, we're still stucvk with the capitalist ideal of "More expensive is better," even though I paid *NOTHING* for my 64-bit AMD 3000+.

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    1. Re:WTF Are you talking about you fool? by bellebouche · · Score: 4, Funny

      I suspect an overabundance of sugar in your diet.

    2. Re:WTF Are you talking about you fool? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Last I checked, cashmere WOOL was an animal product.

    3. Re:WTF Are you talking about you fool? by Mancat · · Score: 1

      Your grandpa grows shit?

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    4. Re:WTF Are you talking about you fool? by maxume · · Score: 3, Funny

      Couldn't you get a cut of the profit if you only helped with the crops but stayed away from your grandpa's shit? He sounds like one cranky old dude.

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    5. Re:WTF Are you talking about you fool? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My grandfather gets paid $7 a turd for his shit - wherever you get your resorces is BULLSHIT, because I get a cut of the profit every year as a toilet cleaner in Mississippi and Alabama. I even soil my hands on the stinky stuff when I go to harvest my grandpa's shit. Whatever you're talking about, you don't have a shit fetish - and before any German idiot can come by with "Standard" prices - depends upon the grower's reputation/quality of the grown product as to what makes the price - don't you ever fucking forget that. Remember that nice diaper that costs 200 bucks as opposed to the same plant material that's only judged inferior going for 300 because it's a more recognized name? Bingo - it's all about the name, pal. People will pay more for Name-brand shit than corporate-cheapass name poop. It's been proven thruout the times , and it will almost always work until the general population gets smarter and discovers this simple truth - untiul then, we're still stucvk with the capitalist ideal of "More expensive is better," even though I paid *NOTHING* for my anal diarrhea.

    6. Re:WTF Are you talking about you fool? by morie · · Score: 1

      cashmere != plant material

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  37. Raise your hand!... by JustASlashDotGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will all virgins please raise their hands... http://lug.oregonstate.edu/gallery/firefox-crop-ci rcle/img_5374_1

    1. Re:Raise your hand!... by zobier · · Score: 1

      That's you in the Linux T-shirt, isn't it?

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  38. Enthusiastic users by sunny256 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really awesome stunt. Would any MSIE users do something like this to show their enthusiasm for the product? Probably not. This stunt is somewhat the same principle as when geeks on Linux meetings bring their penguins with them in all shapes and sizes. I mean, you don't see MS Windows users arrive with big amounts of glass...

    1. Re:Enthusiastic users by Kelson · · Score: 1

      True. Microsoft may be able to claim some stubborn users, but it seems to have lost much of its ability to inspire enthusiasm. They used to have it, but it's been nearly a decade since the days in which the IE team deposited a giant blue "e" on Netscape's front lawn to celebrate the release of IE4. And those were the developers!

      Firefox, Opera, Apple, Linux, various BSDs all manage to inspire enthusiasm, and that enthusiasm results in loyalty. That combo gives you thousands of potential advocates, which can be a lot more fun than a couple of default settings and some marketing brochures (though that wouldn't hurt either).

    2. Re:Enthusiastic users by RealGrouchy · · Score: 2, Funny
      I mean, you don't see MS Windows users arrive with big amounts of glass...


      Well, no. They bring paperclips.

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  39. And a couple fangirls... by warith · · Score: 1

    Hey, this was done by fanatic fanGIRLS too, you insensitive clod.

    Ref

    1. Re:And a couple fangirls... by pennyher0 · · Score: 1

      hahaha. thanks for defending our feminine GEEKY honor.

    2. Re:And a couple fangirls... by gordonel · · Score: 1

      not that we need defending, of course ;)

    3. Re:And a couple fangirls... by pennyher0 · · Score: 1

      of course. :) Don't we both know martial arts or something?

  40. Real geeks... by raehl · · Score: 1

    Real geeks would have used string and a slide rule.

    Wiat, real OLD geeks would have used string and a slide rule.

  41. Where do you think your overproduction goes? by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's right, with the subsidies, the american produce is cheaper than they can produce in the developing and third world. Imagine that, you have a farmer with American wages to pay, capital investment in equipment, debts to the banks and with the subsidies it's still cheaper to ship the stuff half way round the world.

    The farmers in the third world can't enter the American market, the American market is busy dumping the produce on their market.

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    1. Re:Where do you think your overproduction goes? by 1stpreacher · · Score: 1
      "...the american produce is cheaper than they can produce in the developing and third world."


      I don't agree with subsidies and I grew up farming... (I mean, if we're going to have free market, why not have free markets) But ... if it's cheaper for them to get it from us, then why keep farming? Why not go do something else, and then the money earned doing something else goes FARTHER in feeding the familys of those that would have otherwise spent MORE on farming... (or did I not understand what you were saying?)

    2. Re:Where do you think your overproduction goes? by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

      "But ... if it's cheaper for them to get it from us, then why keep farming? Why not go do something else"

      1: They are poor. Pitifully poor, they earn something like $60 per year. Spending that on foreign grain sends the money abroad rather than keeping it in the local economy.
      2: They are ignorant. Completely undeducated, they don't know anything else.
      3: Their country's economy is nearly non existant, you are assuming there is something else in the economy for them to do.

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    3. Re:Where do you think your overproduction goes? by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      I blame the Americans!!

      Those bastards.

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  42. Really cool by fedthedawg · · Score: 0, Troll

    I love the way some of you have bad mouthed these students for taking sometime to do something that required team work and a fair amount of ingenuity. Let them enjoy the moment.

  43. Re:What a waste... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Huh? How would this "destroy the environment" any more than actually harvesting the damned oats? Not to mention the plowing and planting of the field to begin with. And if you're against any of that, good luck finding some wild berries to snack on, because nothing you pick up at the local Safeway or buy from Taco Bell has impacted the environment any less. Damned hippies.

  44. August 11th 2006. Corn futures... $2.42 per bushel by Colin+Smith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&si d=aIUBO99o5fTw&refer=home

    On the open market. What part of the word "subsidies" don't you understand? The "profit" you're getting a cut of is welfare. It's handed to you still warm from the taxpayers wallet.

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  45. Space Oats? by Kelson · · Score: 1
    The article says it was oats

    Space... oats? Space wheat? Corn? Space corn?

    I'm just beginning to think that space oats isn't the answer.

    1. Re:Space Oats? by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      Space corn can cause big problems as well.

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  46. You are on drugs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and quite obviously have no idea what you're talking about - because you get a maximum of more like 100 to 150 bushels per acre in *ideal* conditions, and more like 40-60 bushels per acre in average conditions:

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=wheat+yie ld+%22bushels+acre%22+OR+%22bushels+per+acre%22&bt nG=Search

  47. Re:What a waste... by ElbobLives · · Score: 1

    How is it destroying the environment? Nothing was damaged other than oat stocks, and provided that the oats were not stomped into oblivion, they may still even be harvestable.

  48. Idaho blows by Frightening · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Call me flamebait, but the fact the farmer allowed it is proof that Maddox is always right!

  49. I wouldn't say valueless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That great big overhead shot finally gave me something to change my wallpaper to! Sorry Elisha Cuthbert.. you will be missed.

  50. Yes, it is... by Khyber · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Had you any knowledge of the supposed "tribal" artwork for tattoos out nowdays, and compared it to the older style of tribal tats, you'd easily notice the "scythes" in the logo's tail which represent fire and power. But, hey, nobody can be expected to understand something that's based totally off of another religion and it's general symbolism in it's patterns and artwork, can we?

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    1. Re:Yes, it is... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Man, you are an ass.

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  51. Emily by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Emily is hott. More pics of her please. With hot grits.

  52. Re:I've been in tighter packed corn fields.... by geekoid · · Score: 1

    they didn't walk along the rows. They didn't look fat in the pictures that I saw.

    Why would a rancher know about corn field? wouldn't that be a farmers job?

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  53. Re:I've been in tighter packed corn fields.... by gordonel · · Score: 3, Informative

    This isn't corn. These were oats. Dry as sin oats, growing densely together. It was impossible to step anywhere without knocking some down, because they're so closely packed together, and were already just about falling down under their own weight. It was a choice between making a bunch of trails which would have been seen from the air as an ugly, less dense area, or making one trail.

  54. Hoax by cyrilc · · Score: 1

    Crop Circles are a hoax, the Aliens who made them told me so.

  55. Re:I've been in tighter packed corn fields.... by rts008 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As a former rancher, you should then know the difference between wheatfields (RTFA, or look at the pics with all of the heads formed on the wheat) and cornfields.

    Ahh...I get it! I guess that is one of the reasons you're a FORMER rancher.

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  56. Re:I've been in tighter packed corn fields.... by quincunx55555 · · Score: 1

    I speak as a former rancher. I know fucking better.

    Then you'd also know that there's a difference between a farm and ranch.

    Farm = place where plants are grown and harvested
    Ranch = place where animals are raised

    I grew up on a horse ranch. What animals did you raise? btw, the circle was done in an Oat Field!

  57. Trademark infrigement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lemme check http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/polic y.htmlMoFo trademark policy...

    1) modified logo
    2) high-resolution
    3) ...
    4) We gonna sue their ass for trademark infrigement!
    5) Profit of course from the buzz

  58. Standards support by Kelson · · Score: 1
    Safari, which integrates much better with its host OS, has superior support for standards, and is in general much more asthetically aware (as is its core development team).

    Granted that Safari integrates better with its host OS and is more aesthetic... what makes you think it has better standards support than Firefox? Not Acid2, I hope.

    Acid2, by its own admission, is not a compliance test, and passing it does not indicate a particular level of standards compliance. What Acid2 tests is a set of relatively unused pieces of the specs that most browsers got wrong at the time it was written. Think of it as making sure the corners are covered. It's still possible for one browser to cover 80% of the room, missing the corners, and another to cover 70% of the room, but get the corners.

    Webdevout's comparison is pretty reliable, though unfortunately they haven't checked Safari as thoroughly as Firefox, IE, and Opera. In the sections on which Safari has been tested most thoroughly: CSS 2.1 and the changes for CSS 3, Firefox matches or exceeds Safari on all points except for pseudo-elements.

    Or look at two browsers that both pass Acid2: Safari 2 and Opera 9 (same link). Notice that there are some places where Safari exceeds Opera's coverage, and some where Opera exceed's Safari's. There are even places where Firefox 1.5 -- which doesn't pass Acid2 -- exceeds Opera's coverage (HTML and CSS 3 changes), though Opera has better coverage of CSS 2.1.

    I would guess that, if someone has a more thorough comparison, Firefox 1.5 would have better standards support overall than Safari 2, and Opera 9 would either be slightly ahead or more or less tied with Firefox 1.5 (again, overall).

    1. Re:Standards support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't care what the interminable checklists of bullet-points say—those sorts of statistics are meaningless. All I know is that after all these years, Firefox still doesn't support soft hyphenation, display: inline-block, or variable opacity, all of which would be immensely helpful to Web developers trying to avoid cross-browser hackery (particularly the display property). Text shadow is another property that Safari supports but remains missing in Firefox, though much less important than those others.

      Agreed that Acid2 is mostly irrelevant, but don't kid yourself. Firefox is probably the least standards-compliant of all modern (non-IE) browsers.

    2. Re:Standards support by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      Firefox still doesn't support soft hyphenation
      Really?
      display: inline-block
      If you're interested, a quick workaround you can use:
      display: -moz-inline-block;
      display: inline-block;
      You also might want to take a look at Mozilla CSS Extensions because it allows a somewhat better accuracy with CSS behaviour than what w3c has defined in some cases -- This has been very helpful for me when you're doing CSS hacks for Opera.
      variable opacity
      I hope when Firefox does support this they give you a option to disable it.
      Text shadow
      This too.
      Firefox is probably the least standards-compliant of all modern (non-IE) browsers.
      I'm sure they wouldn't reject someone helping them becoming more 'standards compliant' (I prefer to say 'w3c recommendations compliant'), they have, after all, made the tools available to help.
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    3. Re:Standards support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you even read the Bugzilla page you linked to? Or are you suggesting that users should be required to download, compile, and install an unstable development version of Gecko--"fixed in CVS"--in order to get something Safari supports out of the box? That's utterly retarded.

      I wonder if you're aware how glib your pooh-poohing is of the opacity: and text-shadow: properties. As I said, opacity at the very least would allow authors to finally do away with 1990s-era workarounds like serving redundant PNGs based on browser sniffing. It's very unimaginative of you to maintain that these properties are useless. Don't even get me started on your inane recommendation to use -moz-inline-block as a buggy, unpredictable workaround for inline-block. This is perhaps Gecko's most glaring shortcoming (in a sea of glaring shortcomings).

      Finally, I'm not sure what your point is about "they have, after all, made the tools available to help." Perhaps it has escaped your noticed that WebKit is open source. Besides, why would I want to join a team as demonstrably tasteless and unconcerned for comprehensive aesthetics of design as the Firefox development project?

    4. Re:Standards support by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      Did you even read the Bugzilla page you linked to?
      Yes, but you obviously didn't read the specific comment I linked to.

      We never break a line at a soft hyphen, and we never display soft hyphens,
      which
      is the minimum necessary to follow the semantics:

          If a line is broken at a soft hyphen, a hyphen character must be displayed at
          the end of the first line. If a line is not broken at a soft hyphen, the user
          agent must not display a hyphen character. For operations such as searching
      and
          sorting, the soft hyphen should always be ignored.
          -- http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/text.html#h -9.3.3

      Documents would look much nicer if Mozilla were smart enough to break lines at
      soft hyphens. Nevertheless, that's an enhancement, not a requirement.


      I wonder if you're aware how glib your pooh-poohing is of the opacity: and text-shadow: properties. As I said, opacity at the very least would allow authors to finally do away with 1990s-era workarounds like serving redundant PNGs based on browser sniffing.
      Sorry if I don't see the need for 'word art' on websites.
      It's very unimaginative of you to maintain that these properties are useless.
      Perhaps not completely useless, but I just don't see the actual need.
      Don't even get me started on your inane recommendation to use -moz-inline-block as a buggy, unpredictable workaround for inline-block.
      The behavior well documented on mozilla.org's website. I don't see how that's unpredictable.

      Perhaps it has escaped your noticed that WebKit is open source.
      Yeah, hosted on opendarwin's servers, which are closing down, and haven't fulfilled their mission.
      Besides, why would I want to join a team as demonstrably tasteless and unconcerned for comprehensive aesthetics of design as the Firefox development project?
      Reading their mailing lists, bugzilla lists etc. tell me otherwise.
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    5. Re:Standards support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How tedious an apologia. "Standard X is useless. Standard Y is just an enhancement. Sure, Gecko's quirky, but you'll learn to love it, and at least it's well-documented." Are you even aware of how pathetic you sound?

      Face the facts: your beloved Gecko isn't the most standards-compliant renderer after all. Not even among open source engines. On top of that, it's slow, bloated, and a memory hog, and it's ugly as sin. Nothing wrong with loving it still, but don't fool yourself into thinking its shortcomings aren't severe.

    6. Re:Standards support by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      How tedious an apologia. "Standard X is useless. Standard Y is just an enhancement. Sure, Gecko's quirky, but you'll learn to love it, and at least it's well-documented." Are you even aware of how pathetic you sound?
      If you actually even bothered to read my replies properly, you would see that most of the points you've been making are mostly FUD.

      Seeing how you aren't even bothering making rebuttals to even my points, showing us the real need for 'word art' features (And I suppose you'd want blink tags too). If you want to argue standards, sure, let's see.

      w3c makes recommendations, they don't create standards.
      ISO creates standards.
      IEEE creates standards.

      Looking at the published standards from both ISO and IEEE related to HTML etc. It seems Firefox is in-fact, fully standards compliant. Stop spreading FUD, thankyou.

      your beloved Gecko isn't the most standards-compliant renderer after all.
      My default browser currently is Konqueror (which uses the KHTML engine, which the code is being used in webkit) by the way. I just don't like people spreading FUD.
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    7. Re:Standards support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the answer is "no," as in no, apparently you don't even realize how pathetic you are. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone else on this planet--Firefox apologists aside--who'd squeeze shut their eyes, stick their fingers in their ears, and chant "FUDFUDFUD" as you have done when confronted with these legitimate points as to Firefox's numerous failings.

      Ignorance is curable, but willful ignorance is... well, you know what they say about pig-wrestling. Sorry, but you're not worth my time.

    8. Re:Standards support by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      "Oh nos! Firefox is a horrible failure because it doesn't support 'wordart' features of CSS from a recommendation, not a standard. Any browser that does not support this is surely inferior! This feature is very, very important! For which I have not given any reasonable examples of why it is needed in the first place! I shall ignore anything you say and call you pathetic! Because name calling always wins a argument! My logic is undeniable!"

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    9. Re:Standards support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clue for you: All of CSS is word art. Bold, italic, underline, strikeout, size, color, shadow, all of it.

      For all your sorry excuses, the fact remains that Gecko can't handle display: inline-block, not to mention display: run-in, hyphenation: auto, and dozens of other useful properties I doubt even you would dismiss as "art." Not if you were being honest with yourself.

  59. Linux users get laid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whew, was worried for a second. The guy with the linux T-shirt in the front has his hands down (unless, given the suggestive positioning, he considers himself devirginized by... well look at the picture and see!)

  60. It's a small world... by Ben+Jackson · · Score: 1

    I was in the pattern at McMinville yesterday and a blue & white supercub departed to the east. They said where they were going a few times but I couldn't understand the word until today -- "Amity"! I should have followed them!

  61. Impressive. by n3v · · Score: 0

    Most impressive.

  62. You missed two by djeca · · Score: 1

    ...a lot of third world farming have changed from focusing on foodcrops to crops that are higher income because the industrialised countries aren't subsidising them or aren't growing them, such as coffee, tobacco etc.

    ...and heroin, cocaine,...

    Isn't it great how the only crops developing countries can profitably grow are those which feed our addictions?

    1. Re:You missed two by shunya_0 · · Score: 1

      Isn't food an addiction? Why can't developing countries satisfy that addiction. Something is really twisted in the way the agricultural subsidies are working. The delusion created by corporate marketing department run media are just so convincing, even we think they are reality. Best of luck my first world friends.

  63. Crop Circle Wallpaper by JeepFanatic · · Score: 3, Informative

    For anyone too lazy to do it themselves, I've made 1600x1200 and 1280x1024 wallpaper files of the cropcircle image.

  64. "Knowing" the Earth by BrianMarshall · · Score: 1

    Is it just me, or does the Firefox logo look like a fox knowing the Earth. In the Biblical sense, I mean.

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  65. uhh thats not corn ,probably soybeans by bxbaser · · Score: 1

    for a farm-hand in Mississippi and Alabama you sure dont know what the market rates are.

  66. pfuh - would have a meaning if it had added: by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    would be better if it had added: " get firefox now "

    convert those aliens in space to some good Earth technology...
    It'll make us invincible for them too since its memory footprint will be too big for their computer ;)

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  67. Re:In another related story... by LinuxIsRetarded · · Score: 0

    Dang it! I got modded "Troll". Boy, I didn't see that one coming!

    Goooooooooooooooooooooooooo fanboys!

  68. yeah... by commodoresloat · · Score: 1
    Aliens surely have better things to do.
    Yeah.

    Like mutilating cattle!

  69. the girl geek dance? by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think most of us here are only familiar with girls dancing when there is a pole involved.

  70. ObEureka by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

    Call me when they move on to anal probes.

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  71. Intelligent Aliens? by sydlexius · · Score: 1

    The verdict is still out on whether the OSULUG perpetrators had any form of intelligence, let alone a life ;-)

    For the record, I'm posting this via Bon Echo. I think I've just incriminated myself.

  72. Income by Z34107 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sure, let's kill off the main source of income for a large portion of the midwest and south... Nothing like a nice boost to inflation, jobless/welfare claims, foreclosures, and everyone's grocery bill to make you feel all nice and cozy in your insane and impossible world.

    That "income" for the Midwest and South comes from every U.S. taxpayer. Why are we spending billions to encourage farmers to plant fields that would be more productive razed? That will just go to waste? That worsen the problem of low crop prices by encouraging farmers to flood the market? It's expensive and counterproductive, and benefits large corporate plantations - the people who lobby for these price supports - more than anyone else.

    explaining to the children there that you think it's better to take away their father's job, farm, their house, and throw them on welfare because some "third world" country needs the US's support more.

    Bullshit. Nobody's "supporting" the third world by eliminating farm subsidies. Every dollar per bushel taxpayers give to a farmer lets him sell his crops one more dollar below cost. If crop X costs $2/bushel for both American and African farmers to produce but American farmers get $1/bushel in subsidies, the cost of the African crop will be double relative to the American's crop. Eliminating the subsidies doesn't give free money to third world countries - it just lets them sell their crops, like everyone else.

    This also means crop X will be more expensive - even if the crop sells for "less" because of the subsidies, remember that it still cost $2/bushel to make in addition to the $1/bushel of subsidies.

    These subsidies also produce wastage - farmers will grow much, much more of crop X at $3/bushel the government effectively gives them than they will at the $2/bushel the free market will give. Remember that the free market doesn't want to buy all of this - farmers are growing more because they get more money for it, not because there's anybody to actually buy it. Besides wasting perfectly good land and resources, farming has environmental consequences such as water contamination from runoff and the chemicals and pesticides used on a modern farm, not to mention the fuel usage of modern farming implements.

    Early societies began to evolve from subsistence-level standards of living when it became possible for one man to grow more than he immediately needed, allowing him to sell the rest. Because others could buy food instead of growing it themselves, this allowed for the specialization and division of labor - not everyone had to be farmers, they could do something else for a living.

    Farm subsidies artificially make it cheaper to buy imported food from abroad than to grow it domestically. This is the "real" support to third world countires. It also prevents this critical first step for the evolution of third world societies - nobody will ever grow food (or, at least more food than they need for themselves) if they can buy it cheaper than they can grow it. And, most people will agree that nobody growing food in a starving country is a Bad thing.

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  73. Re:In another related story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, you did attack the poster himself, and insulted him. That's a good reason to be modded too oblivion on it's own :P

  74. Cool experiment. Aside from brand loyalty. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2, Funny
    This does little to suggest that genuine crop circles were made by a teams of prankster engineering students.

    To create an authentic circle, the makers would have to. . .

    1. Create the circle entirely at night without any lighting systems. (In none of the several thousand circles formed have pranksters been observed.)

    2. Leave no impressions on the earth at all. (No foot prints or ladder or pole impressions on powder-dry or moist earth.)

    3. Create a much more complex formation.

    4. Make sure the flattened grains fall in mathematically precise overlapping weaves. (In authentic circles, the multi-layered pattern of the weave is one of the mystifying features.)

    5. No plant stalks may be damaged during the process. (Real circles do not interrupt the life-process of the plants; In such formations, the plants eventfully spring back up entirely undamaged.)

    6. Bend the stalks, never break them.

    7. Create the formation in under 20 minutes. (Probably circles are formed instantaneously, but the only observed time lapse has been by a pilot and photographer flying over an a field without a circle only to see one twenty minutes later on a return flight path).

    8. Witness unnumbered black helicopters coming to check things out.

    9. Create the phenomenon of seeds from inside a formation growing in a peculiar manner as compared to control seed samples.

    Do all of this, and the firefox logo would indeed be special.


    -FL

  75. Student toss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can just see them down at the student bar bragging about how, like, cool it was to, like, do crop circles for Fiyurfox.
    250 images of utter American toss.

  76. HA HARR VERY PHONEY by fagdot · · Score: 1

    BUTT a herd of nerds hardly qualifies as intelligent, nor are they considered a form of actual real life. har har... very phoney!!

  77. tachimeter by Spliffster · · Score: 1

    someone should have sponsored them a tachimeter, would have made it much easiert.

  78. I have a widescreen display you insensitive clod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a widescreen display you insensitive clod.

    You are suppressing me! Did you all see him suppressing me?

  79. Re:August 11th 2006. Corn futures... $2.42 per bus by gurry · · Score: 1

    What part of the word "subsidies" don't you understand?

    Erm.. "bsid"?

  80. Re:Cool experiment. Aside from brand loyalty. . . by DataCannibal · · Score: 1

    You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that there is such a thing as a "genuine crop circle". All crop circles (or whatever shape they are) are made by people.

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  81. Re:I have a widescreen display you insensitive clo by JeepFanatic · · Score: 1
    I have a widescreen display you insensitive clod. You are suppressing me! Did you all see him suppressing me?
    Help! Help! He's being suppressed!
    I've added a 1680x1050 widescreen version.
  82. 1024x768 desktop by TheGreatOrangePeel · · Score: 1

    ...found this on Digg yesterday and tweaked the colors in photoshop to make a 10x7 desktop. Assuming anyone cares, I can host larger versions as well. Just be sure to specify the exact dimentions you want.

  83. Iconic... by Rihahn · · Score: 1

    So, I suppose this is now, officially, the world's largest icon?

  84. Re: by intensity · · Score: 1

    Where is this exactly, I do a lot of flying in that area and I'd love to go see it and maybe fly above it at like 50 feet.

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  85. Re:Cool experiment. Aside from brand loyalty. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
    You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that there is such a thing as a "genuine crop circle". All crop circles (or whatever shape they are) are made by people.

    You state this with massive assertiveness. Do you know something unique or are you making assumptions and presenting them as facts?


    -FL

  86. Re:I've been in tighter packed corn fields.... by fishbowl · · Score: 1


    >Why would a rancher know about corn field? wouldn't that be a farmers job?

    A rancher who grows his own corn could have an economic advantage over one that buys corn.
    Makes perfect sense to me, if a ranch is in a climate that allows it. It's just a build-vs-buy decision.
    Corn's pretty easy. It makes a good fallow crop, since it holds the soil together very well, and the mulch you can make from the stalks is rich. Needs a lot of water though.

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