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Ten Gaming Myths Debunked

ThinSkin writes "The Playstation 3 will fail. Video games are too violent. Copy protection is the beginning of the end for gaming. These myths and others are the target for Loyd Case over at ExtremeTech as he takes ten gaming myths apart and debunks them. From the article: 'Rumors are partly due to the nature of the overheated coverage that's the rule of the day on Internet sites. Rumors spread, become accepted as fact and remain embedded in people's belief systems long after the actual facts have emerged. There also seems to be relatively little historical perspective among some writers, which can alleviate breathless hype, either positive or negative.'"

229 comments

  1. Is this guy a psychic? by kmhebert · · Score: 5, Funny

    How can he know the PS3 will not fail? Is... is he going to give me $600?

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    1. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by mentaldingo · · Score: 0

      Maybe if you ask him nicely...

    2. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by WinnipegDragon · · Score: 0

      First thought I had too. I'm not sure how someone can see the backlash against the PS3 on the web, and not conclude that the PS3 is on shaky groud well before launch...

    3. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by PFI_Optix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's a no-brainer that the PS3 *will* sell. But with its high price tag, lackluster performance (to date), and late release, it's not going to be anything special. The PS3 fanboys will be good little consumer whores and run out and buy it as soon as it hits the shelves, just like the Nintendo and MS fanboys.

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    4. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by nutshell42 · · Score: 1
      How can he know the PS3 will not fail? Is... is he going to give me $600?

      It's less about whether the PS3 will be dominating like the PS2 and more about the ridiculous doom and gloom on /. and other gaming blogs.

      Personally I think his selection wasn't too bad, I'm especially sick of the "PC games are dead" chant we get at the beginning of every console cycle.

      Btw. here's the print version on one page instead of 324

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    5. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by snard6 · · Score: 1

      No silly! According to the article the PS3 has already been released in Japan, Indonesia, and Bulgaria... It's already sold millions.

    6. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by silentace · · Score: 1

      it won't fail because even if it does sony has so much money they can make it not fail on paper until enough consoles get out there to cover the costs by selling accessories and games. Sony can't fail, they are too large of a company with to many people backing them.

    7. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by nutshell42 · · Score: 1
      Btw. here's the print version on one page instead of 324

      Oops, the page checks out your referrer, sry. The button's right below the article

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    8. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by BecomingLumberg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am sure the PS3 will have a successful launch and sell a lot of consoles for this years Christmas (if they make it in time...)

      However, unless things change between now and then, I think many consumers will regret their decision when they realize how little they recieved for how much they payed. I don't know many people that think the PSP is the best handheld they own right now, even if the only other 'current-ish' one is a GBA. It has amazing graphics, but just tried to be way too much.

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    9. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The myth is that it WILL fail. It may fail, but claiming that is inevitable is a myth.

    10. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would say that whether you will consider the PS3 a success or a failure probably depends on how you define failure; you could consider the artistic merit of a platform, its life span, its market share and its profitability. I personally suspect that the PS3 will lose a large portion of its market share (somewhere between 1/3 and 2/3 of the PS2's market share), will lose a ton of money (Microsoft and Nintendo should be able to force Sony to cut the price of the PS3 before they can afford it, pay developers for exclusives, and spend a fortune on marketing), have some of the best games (ever) produced exclusively for it, and last for (about) 5 years.

    11. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Examine the guys logic carefully:

      The PS3 will not fail as long as it still has developers.
      Developers will not jump ship because the PS3 will sell well.

      Perfectly sound logic to me!

    12. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by digitrev · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because web backlash means almost nothing to the "mainstream" gamer. All it takes is for a sizable group of people that fall under these categories for the PS3 to succeed.


      1. Want to own a gaming system.
      2. See Sony as the brand name for gaming.
      3. Have the $600 to drop on one.
      4. Have a good impression of the PS3 (read as: not a big internet user)

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    13. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by marcomarrero · · Score: 1


      Remember the $399 Sega Saturn? Using an inflation calculator, in 2006 it is $532.79! And worse, people knew the $299 PSX was better at 3D performance and was going to be introduced to the US several months later. The only difference is that back then, Nintendo wasn't a competitor and had to lie about their Ultra 64 hardware until it finally arrived.

    14. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by coop247 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What did the "Web Hype" do for Snakes on a Plane, oh thats right, NOTHING. Just like some bad press will not kill the PS3. Believe it or not (gasp), there are a lot of people that don't read Slashdot, and don't troll gaming message boards.

      There are 106 million people who have a PS2, thats a pretty large customer base. Maybe some of them can't afford 500 at launch, but I guarantee there are a couple million who can and will. Later on down the road when the price comes down and availability increases, the rest of the 100 million can get one, its called Price Discrimination. Why should Sony sell you a PS3 for 400 when I'll pay 600.

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    15. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by orasio · · Score: 2, Interesting


      > 1. Want to own a gaming system.

      You don't buy from Sony if you want to own something.
      You don't own stuff, you license stuff.
      They own stuff, and your ass.

      (I know, what I say _is_ ridiculous, but I think this is the direction towards which everything is heading)

    16. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      106 million people own a PS2? Is that the total Sony has sold, or is that total sold - people who bought more than one? It's a serious question. I'm sure a lot of people bought a second if there first one died or a second PS2 being the slim PS2. I doubt that's 106 million individual owners. It's the same for all the companies, but it's naive to say there are 106 million PS2 owners just because Sony has shipped that many.

    17. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by 7Prime · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe Some of them???!!!! Some of them?! How about MOST of them. I'm a diehard Sony gamer. My gaming world centers are Japanese RPGs, which are solidly in Sony's domain, I loved the Playstation and Playstation 2, I'm a huge Final Fantasy fan, I even have a pretty good job (for someone my age: 25), and could actually afford throwing down $600. Am I going to do it? Hell no! Not out of spite, but I just don't want to pay that much! I figure, if someone like ME isn't going to buy it, how the hell is the rest of the gaming community? Especially seeing as though a large percentage of the gaming community is under 20 years old, and maybe making $8/h part-time at the local McDonald's. The PS3 is priced for fanatics... and even then (like me), they're pushing it.

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    18. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by triffid_98 · · Score: 1
      I remember the $399 Sega Saturn, in fact I still own one. If you're into 2D shooters, it is *the* console to have, right up there with the Neo-Geo MVS. Despite it's lackluster 3D performance it was a 2D god, with tons of great exclusive and nearly perfect arcade ports (Radiant Silvergun, Battle Garrega, Terra Diver, etc.etc.etc) Unfortunately Sega in it's infinite wisdom decided not to export those out of Japan. The rest, as they say, is history...

      Remember the $399 Sega Saturn? Using an inflation calculator, in 2006 it is $532.79! And worse, people knew the $299 PSX was better at 3D performance and was going to be introduced to the US several months later. The only difference is that back then, Nintendo wasn't a competitor and had to lie about their Ultra 64 hardware until it finally arrived.
    19. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Seeing as how it looks like Sony is going to be able to manufacture half of what they'd originally expected, I'd venture to say that "mainstream gamers" (IE those who won't be standing in line at Toys r Us) aren't going to be able to buy a PS3, so I'm not sure what you're after.

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    20. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by GundamFan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even if you have people in there with 4 or 5 PS2s that is a metric butt load of households with PS2s.

      The name Playstation is always going to be associated with gaming by non gamers... and parents will buy there children a PS3 to replace/upgrade a PS2 because it makes sense from a non informed consumers perspective.

      The only thing that could realy hurt Sony is snooty EB clerks regurgitating things they read on the internet and I am sure consumers will just go to Best Buy (once someone wants to buy something it is best not to argue or try to change there mind... if you want the sale.).

      Will it be another PS2... I doubt it.
      Did people bitch on the internet leading up to the PS2 launch and after... Yes, we have such short memories.

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    21. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by 7Prime · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yes, Playstation fanboys will be good little consumer whores and run out and buy it as soon as it hits the shelves, the only problem is:
      1. A console's livelihood can't be based souly on sales to fanboys. Fanboys are a VERY small part of the market, the PS3 is priced for fanboys, yes, and that's what they'll get, nothing else. 80% of their gaming market... GONE. This seems like a no-brainer to me.
      2. They're losing fanboys like CRAZY, do to not being able to keep promises and devaluing the "game system" aspect of the console in favor of "home entertainment system".
      So, their pricing is aimed at fanboys, and their marketting is aimed at all-encompassing (even outside of gaming)... yeah, this sounds like a GREAT idea to me! So no, I do not see good things for Sony this round. Launch will be painfull to watch. Prediction: fanboys hold off buying it until they can first play it at their friends' house... only problem is, their friends are doing the same thing!
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    22. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by Gooba42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The same parents who paid $800 for their 4th grader's laptop will buy the $600 PS3.

      My now departed mother's 3rd grade students had plenty of buying power and parents do *not* pay enough attention to kids' gaming. One of her kids spent all his free time playing Vice City. I don't believe that game restrictions need to be draconian but if the line be drawn, 3rd graders don't make it by a long shot.

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    23. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by brkello · · Score: 2

      I think the web hype for Snakes on a Plane made it come out at #1 instead of last. Seriously, if there wasn't any web hype who would have bothered seeing this movie at all?

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    24. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by Junta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even if you have people in there with 4 or 5 SNESs that is a metric butt load of households with SNESs.

      The name Nintendo is always going to be associated with gaming by non gamers... and parents will buy there children a N64 to replace/upgrade a SNES because it makes sense from a non informed consumers perspective.

      (could also replace PS2/Sony with 2600/Atari for similar results, an established market means something, but it far from means as much as people give it credit for).
      Fact of the matter is that for the most part people aren't just sheep. More so than they should be, but when asked to shell out 600 bucks for something, they will consider it more thoroughly and not automatically buy it for their kids just because they had a PS2 and their kid liked the PS2.

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    25. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by Physics+Nobody · · Score: 2

      You know, I'm not going to pay $500 for a PS3 either. (Yes, I said $500. Why does everyone quote the $600 price when the cheaper version of the
      PS3--quite unlike the cheaper version of the XBox 360--is not in any way crippled? Oh no, it lacks some fancy output to plug into my nonexistent
      HDTV. The horror.) However, when the PS3 drops in price (And it will drop in price. A large portion of the price is due to the bleeding edge
      Blu-Ray stuff which is basically due to the blue laser diode. When those start being manufactured in greater numbers and the technology becomes more
      mature I would expect the price of that component to drop by an order of magnitude.) then I will probably purchase one. Which is more than I can say
      about the XBox 360, a system that holds little interest to me.

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    26. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There is a whole genre of people that marketers call "gold-collar." They have jobs that are neither blue nor white collar, generally fast food or mall type jobs. These people spend Hundreds on a purse. They are more or less people who make very little money but buy expensive luxury goods. It seems odd, but they are very real...
      http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/arizonali ving/articles/0727goldcollar.html
      http://www.usatoday.com/life/lifestyle/2005-06-08- gold-collar_x.htm?csp=N009
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold-collar_worker
      Um and one other thing- say it with me- CREDIT CARDS
      Intelligent people think something that costs $600 costs, well, $600. A ton of people think $600 costs an extra $2 on their minimum monthly payment on their Capital One card... Money is not an issue to a lot of people, as long as they can charge it...

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    27. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by prockcore · · Score: 1
      Why does everyone quote the $600 price when the cheaper version of the
      PS3--quite unlike the cheaper version of the XBox 360--is not in any way crippled?


      Probably because literally 9 out of 10 PS3s are going to be the $600 SKU?

      You thought that Sony is going to make equal numbers of the $500 and $600 versions?
    28. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by phulegart · · Score: 1

      no, you won't plunk down $600 and try to be one of the first ones in the door to purchase a PS3, but you will buy one. However, just like there are people buying top of the line Graphic cards as soon as they hit the market, and top of the line computers to power them... even if they don't need all that hardware muscle... there will be plenty of people that will buy the PS3 at $600 just so they can get in on the gaming at the beginning.

      That is the important point to make. You will buy a sony PS3 eventually. The PS3 isn't going to fail based on the first week of sales. It isn't going to fail based on the first month or year of sales. Sony is entrenched in the gaming market, the electronics market, and the entertainment media market. A comparison cannot be made between Sega and Sony, for example, assuming that game companies are going to back out leaving Sony titleless, because every PS2 owner did not run out and buy a PS3 on that first day. The price on a unit will drop, and more people will buy them as it falls.

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    29. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ya your right... so let's go with everyone that owns a PS2, has bought two. That covers those that bought more then one, and less then two roughly. Wow, 53 million is such a tiny number

    30. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by twistedsymphony · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't understand your logic... the cheaper version of the Xbox 360 is infact LESS crippled then the cheaper version of the PS3... If you buy an Xbox 360 CORE version it's essentially the same console less a hard drive, sure you loose some features without the hard drive, but it's not like the differences aren't printed right on the side of the box, and if you DO decided you that you should have gone for the higher priced SKU you can still buy said hard drive and make the difference between the two nothing more then some chrome trim on the DVD bezel.

      On the other hand the HDMI port not being included in the lower SKU is entirely non-upgradable, sure TODAY it only effects a few people with HDTVs who would rather have a digital video interface instead of an analog one. but that port is necessary for playing Blu-Ray discs down the road, when the MPAA decides to enact the image constraint tokens those without an HDMI port will find that their blu-ray discs are actually producing a High-Def image... at that point in time you'll be stuck with no way to upgrade and scratching your head why you fronted all that extra cash for a blu-ray player that is incapable of playing HD movies.

      The only thing not having a hard drive on the Xbox 360 prevents you from doing is playing Xbox 1 games (since they were all built for a console with a hard drive: the xbox 1) and playing two select games that require the hard drive, those being Final Fantasy XI and Football Manager. I certainly wouldn't define that as "crippled" and again if you decided you need those features upgrading is as simple as buying a hard drive and snaping it to the side of the console....

    31. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by treak007 · · Score: 1

      Number 3 happens to be the most difficult category for Sony to capture. Not a lot of people feel comfortable dropping $600. especially nowadays, when more and more people invest in multipe systems so they can play from a larger selection of games.

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    32. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 1

      The majority of PS2 sales also happened after the price drop to under $200.

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    33. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by 7Prime · · Score: 2, Insightful
      A comparison cannot be made between Sega and Sony, for example, assuming that game companies are going to back out leaving Sony titleless, because every PS2 owner did not run out and buy a PS3 on that first day.

      And why not? I'd say the Genesis was a pretty big smash hit, Sega had a lot of momentum coming off of it, and they blew it on the Saturn, partially because they were concentrating on the wrong functionality (2D graphics) when other, more adgile developers (the Sony gaming division, at the time) were innovating, and looking ahead to what was coming next in the gaming market.

      Let's get it straight, the DreamCast failed because of the Saturn. No question about it, Sega dropped the ball on that one and were never able to return. They got their act together on the DreamCast, but by that time, it was too late. So no, a comparison can't be made, because the failour of the PS3 will not be do to lackluster results of the PS2.

      As I've said before: previous success, in itself, is NOT a good enough reason to assume continued success. This is practically the only strong defense I'm hearing about the PS3, "because the PS2 did so well". Well, the Genesis did really well, The SNES did incredibly well, SUVs did really well during the early 00s... and GMs laying off thousands for assuming their continued success. The scale is a little different now, but there are SOME parallels that can be drawn between Sony and Sega. I don't think its entirely unreasonable.

      So, if someone can come up with an arguement other than, "because the PS2 had a huge fanbase/developer base", let's hear it, because I haven't heard it yet. Audiences and developers, alike, are very fickle, it wouldn't be unthinkable for a large percentage of each to suddenly abandon their previous attitudes toward a product when the boat starts a'rockin.

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    34. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by EatHam · · Score: 1
      Maybe Some of them???!!!! Some of them?! How about MOST of them. I'm a diehard Sony gamer. My gaming world centers are Japanese RPGs, which are solidly in Sony's domain, I loved the Playstation and Playstation 2, I'm a huge Final Fantasy fan, I even have a pretty good job (for someone my age: 25), and could actually afford throwing down $600. Am I going to do it? Hell no! Not out of spite, but I just don't want to pay that much! I figure, if someone like ME isn't going to buy it, how the hell is the rest of the gaming community? Especially seeing as though a large percentage of the gaming community is under 20 years old, and maybe making $8/h part-time at the local McDonald's. The PS3 is priced for fanatics... and even then (like me), they're pushing it.


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    35. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      But the N46 didn't play SNES games. That will be a BIG selling point to parents. No need to buy a whole new game library to go with it, just buy the new system and then games as you see fit.

    36. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by bostonguy · · Score: 1

      How do you know web hype did nothing for 'Snakes on a Plane'?

      For all we know, without the web hype, the movie would have opened dead last, instead of near the top of the pack...

    37. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by coop247 · · Score: 1

      Some/Most, doesn't matter. Sony will product at most 8-10 million units (and thats probably pushing it) in the first year after release. So if just 10% of the PS2 owners are willing to pay $500-600, then every unit is sold. Ask 10 friends if they are willing to pay the release price, if just one says yes, then thats enough.

      I'll say again, why should Sony sell you (or anyone) a unit for 300, when someone else will buy that same unit for 500. If they did sell them for 300-400, demand would far outstrip supply anyway. I'm not saying I'm thrilled about the price, but thats what everyone bangs on without really thinking about the simple economics involved.

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    38. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by pcnetworx1 · · Score: 1

      The true grammar Nazis complain of TOO LITTLE punctuation Fuhrer!

    39. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      I don't believe that game restrictions need to be draconian but if the line be drawn, 3rd graders don't make it by a long shot.

      The problem lies with the parents, not video games. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to play vice city when I was 8, and that's because I have parents.

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    40. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by phulegart · · Score: 1

      I never said that the PS3 can't fail because of the success of the PS2.

      I said the PS3 won't fail because at some point or another, people will buy a PS3. I said that the PS3 won't fail because Sony is entrenched in the gaming console market, the electronics market, and the entertainment media market. Ok, Sega made mistakes. However, regardless of how popular Sega had gotten, people weren't playing their Sega console on their Sega Televisions, listening to the game through a Sega sound system.

      It is possible that some Sony console users are also Sony Television owners, Sony Viao owners, have a lot of Sony music in their CD collection that they listen to on their Sony home audio and portable music music players and taking pictures and video of their friends and family with their Sony cameras and camcorders.

      If the gaming console market was a fraternity, Sony would be a legacy. Do you understand now why the PS3 won't fail? Maybe the PS6 will fail, after Sony gets cocky and totally screws up the PS4 and the PS5, but Sony has to destroy a LOT of product recognition (well, a lot more than they already have).

      Sorry you didn't understand what I was saying. But it's ok. You are fixated on the success of the PS2.

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    41. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by zoney_ie · · Score: 1

      I didn't bother seeing it partly *because* of the web hype.

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    42. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by MMaestro · · Score: 1
      What did the "Web Hype" do for Snakes on a Plane, oh thats right, NOTHING.

      Um, it gave the movie a FUCKLOAD of publicity (people were talking about it MONTHS before release), and arguably helped it hit #1 in box office sales on its first week. (Yes it tanked afterwards, but given the genre and low production values, it was expected.)

    43. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What did the "Web Hype" do for Snakes on a Plane, oh thats right, NOTHING.


      For a terrible movie, SoaP did very well. Without the web hype it likely would have done worse.
    44. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by bit01 · · Score: 1

      Why are you making any decision now?

      You haven't seen any actual games in action. You haven't seen what the street price will be. You haven't seen what games will be available on the platform. You haven't seen what the quality of the games will be. You haven't seen how many movies will be available and what sort of a movie player it will make. You haven't seen what the competition will be like at the time.

      Basically, you don't know a damn thing.

      You've made your decision based on content-free marketing drivel, lying astroturfers and rumor mongering by the competition. That's foolish.

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    45. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by allroy63 · · Score: 1

      What did the "Web Hype" do for Snakes on a Plane, oh thats right, NOTHING. Just like some bad press will not kill the PS3.

      That's because Snakes on a Plane web hype also appealed to people who leave the house a lot less and are more apt to wait and download then pay and sit next to joe-joe the idiot circus boy and his ringing cell phone.

      To deny that "web hype" has any effect on the real world is just silly. Ask those folks in Alaska whose little pork project just fell apart if blogs have power over public opinion. They will undoubtedly say, "Yes."

      This doesn't mean that the PS3 will fail, and by all accounts "SoaP is not a "failure." But to deny that the Internet bailed out what was likely to be another Deep Blue Sea is inaccurate. The impact was nowhere near as big as expected, but people certainly saw that movie because of hype. Imagine what the box office would have been *without* the hype...

      Nevertheless, inaccurate box office projections will likely hurt some people. It doesn't mean that New Line Cinema or anyone else is going to "fail." It does mean that someone somewhere will probably lose a job or two. It does mean that some people with lofty endorsement contracts or marketing tie-ins may not make as much money.

      So too, it could be with Sony and negative web hype. This does not necessarily mean Sony dies. It just means they ain't in first. Internet hype has power. It is important. It's just not magical, or special.

    46. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by jackbird · · Score: 1
      Sony has to destroy a LOT of product recognition (well, a lot more than they already have).

      See, you guys don't even disagree. He just thinks they're farther along the same road than you think they are.

      PS - Did you really ever buy a CD based on what conglomerate owned the record label? (Note that I didn't say 'not buy').

    47. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by jackbird · · Score: 1
      What did the "Web Hype" do for Snakes on a Plane, oh thats right, NOTHING.

      Apples and oranges. Take a look at what the "web hype" did for Gigli. When Gabe and Tycho tell you to your face in front of an audience that buying your console is "bullshit," and the audience cheers, you're fucked.

    48. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      1. Doesn't require that they buy one from Sony. 2. Is the real factor, along with 3. of course. 4. is the real issue here that we need to debate.

      Look, I know everyone thinks that the web doesn't have a significant effect but that is a bunch of bullshit. The web populace may not be a bunch of influential people, but it is an influential bunch of people. Remember what happened to the original thing called "divx"? It was brought to people's attention through the efforts of concerned nerds on the internet, and the eventual newspaper and magazine articles that decried its tendency to phone home were pretty well unanimous in citing the efforts of the anti-divx nerdery.

      PAX is now the largest consumer-oriented videogame convention and it, too, can be expected to have an influence - and I think we know how the groupthink goes on over at PA WRT the PS3.

      The simple fact is that if the hardcore gamers are avoiding the PS2, the mainstream gamers will notice, because people are pack animals and we like to play follow the leader.

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    49. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by phulegart · · Score: 1

      Indirectly, I have bought CD's based on what conglomerate owned the record label. Because the artist I was interested in listening to, was only on a specific label.

      Also, I have found that certain labels tend to have artists I like, even if I had never heard of them. Tekito Records, a small company out of New Orleans, had some wild, fantastic original stuff. I was a large A&M fan because of the Police and Squeeze, and I discovered that a lot of other great artists had also signed with A&M.

      Have you ever AVOIDED buying a particular artist's CD because you had issues with the conglomerate that owned the label? That's pretty much the same thing in reverse.

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      "I love deadlines. I love the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." -D. Adams
    50. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by Gooba42 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how you read my comment to infer otherwise. Please explain.

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      I just found out there's no such thing as the real world. It's just a lie you've got to rise above. - John Mayer
    51. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      You seem to be of the opinion that games should be regulated, or that it would be a good idea. That doesn't make sense to me, since parents would still buy the games, there's already a rating system that works pretty well, and no other medium other than porn is regulated.

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
    52. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by Propaganda13 · · Score: 1

      http://www.technophilia.org/2006/07/list-of-cancel led-ps3-games.html

      Oh crap, developers cancelling games! Sure, it's going to happen to any new system. The EA comment is a little more worrying since a lot of "non-gamers" buy consoles for sports games.

      Overall, I'm not so interested in whether the PS3 fails or not. I'm interested in how PS3 sales affect Blu-Ray. $1000 Blu-Ray players, $600 PS3, increased home saturation of Blu-Ray. What's going to happen? It seems like the players will have to drop 60% in price in 6 months.

    53. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by aichpvee · · Score: 1

      He knows because someone is buying this, and there isn't even anything worth playing on it. At least PS3 will play a few hundred good PS2 games.

      --
      The Farewell Tour II
    54. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by Mark+Maughan · · Score: 1

      The cheap PS3 can play any PS3 game and the cheap Xbox360 won't be able to play any Xbox360 game just as it can't possibly play all Xbox games or purchases from the Live Marketplace. That's why he called it crippled and you even half pointed it out.

      And you call the cheap PS3 crippled when it doesn't have HDMI when even the expensive Xbox360 doesn't have HDMI. If the cheap PS3 is crippled in that regards then a every Xbox360 with the HD-DVD addon is equally crippled. HD-DVD also has the image constraint token!

    55. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by ejp1082 · · Score: 1

      How much marketshare did Sega lose between the Genesis and Saturn? Hmm...

      How about Nintendo, between the SNES and N64?

      Did those 100 million PS2 owners run out and buy a PSP?

      Maybe you can't necessarily count on your market one generation following you to the next.

    56. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by ejp1082 · · Score: 1

      If reports are true, Sony is actually loosing $200-300 bucks per console even at the $600 price point. Presumably, they think it's worth it to establish Blu-ray as the dominant format (I'm sure licensing fees would more than make up for it if they actually won the format war).

      But what it means for gamers is that it'll be a long, long time coming before the PS3 sees any significant price drop. Sony's going to want to significantly reduce their loss on each system before they start passing on the savings from manufacturing efficiencies to consumers.

    57. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by ejp1082 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Heh. I was at my brother's friend house the other day, the two of them were playing a PS2. The mom yelled for them to "Stop playing Nintendo and get down here".

      Nintendo is a lot more synonymous with gaming than "Playstation" will ever be.

    58. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by twistedsymphony · · Score: 1

      I never said the low end PS3 was crippled, simply that the Low end Xbox can quickly and easily be converted to be exactly the same as the high end by the user. In my personal opinion you'd be foolish to by the low end versions of either console, you'd be foolish to buy the low end PS3 due to it's lack of HDMI and it's eventual hindrance in properly using one of the most expensive features of the console (Blu-Ray HD video playback). And you would be foolish to purchase the low end Xbox due to the loss of the hard drive's benefits. Not to mention both low end SKUs lack other features outside of HDMI and HDD respectively that make them lower in price but also of lower value when compared to their respective high end SKUs.

      While you are correct that HD-DVD also has the image constraint token, I also believe you'd be a fool to purchase the HD-DVD add-on for the Xbox 360 for that very reason. However, unlike the low end PS3 the low end Xbox 360 does not require the gamer to purchase the HD-DVD drive regardless of their preference.

    59. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by cgenman · · Score: 1

      Good assessment:

      Casual players won't pick up a 600 dollar console. Fanboys will have read Sony's interviews about them and will have lost respect for it.

      No one has ever held onto the top spot for three console generations. They get too blinded by success, too afraid to take risks, and they lose it. I wish Sony the best of luck, as they have some great people working there, but I too will be on the sidelines until a game so great that it justifies the price comes along.

    60. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by Belgand · · Score: 1

      "parents do *not* pay enough attention to kids' gaming. One of her kids spent all his free time playing Vice City. I don't believe that game restrictions need to be draconian but if the line be drawn, 3rd graders don't make it by a long shot."

      That's your opinion and you're certainly entitle to it, but keep in mind that not everyone necessarily shares it. While I don't have a child (I'm child-free so it's ultimately a moot issue) if I did I wouldn't have any problem with them playing any game they choose to. If I notice that it actually is negatively affecting their behavior in some way then some time would be needed to discuss with them how that is not acceptable and why, and if it continues perhaps restrictions would need to be placed, but otherwise I feel that children should largely be free to make their own media choices.

      Responsible parenting is the other part of the equation where they learn (and really it's disturbing that this would even be an issue) what behavior is acceptable and what is not. I grew up watching horror movies on TV (as an elementary school child I saw The Shining and my mother often notified me that there would be a Friday the 13th marathon whenever those particular days showed up) and the only way it ever affected me is that I love horror movies.

      Now I'm not saying that this parent might not have objected, but the point is that you are not necessarily an irresponsible or uninformed parent just because your child is doing something that others might disapprove of.

    61. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by 7Prime · · Score: 1

      I think you're over dramatizing Sony's legacy. Maybe that was PARTIALLY true about 10 years ago, when Sony stood for top quality products, cool "fashion" and style, but it isn't that anymore. People bought the PS2 primarily because they loved the games that came out for it, not because they equated the brand as being at all part of their personal identity.

      Sony has never had the style "legacy" that Apple, Mercedes Benz, BMW, had... they didn't even have the style legacy that Ford, GM, and Starbucks had. People used to buy Sony products because they thought they were well built and functional (which they really were, back in the day), and then later, Sony started getting into the realm of fashion accessories... portable CD players with bright stripes that matched your Nike Air shoes. Nike... there's a good one for ya. Huge fad, EVERYONE had to have Nike air shoes, they were all over the place. Nike had built a "legacy" people said... and sure, they're still kicking around, but the fad passed, and they're just another shoe company. To have a legacy, you have to have followers that DEFINE themselves as "[blank] people": "Mac People", "Ford People", that kind of stuff. Maybe you live in a different country, but I've NEVER met anyone who defined themself as a "Sony" person. Sure, they may LOVE the Playstation (as do I), but if the types of games they play suddenly were to appear all on the GameCube... most of them would be Nintendo people in a heartbeat. That's just common consumer information, not ingrained brand identity. There are "Square People", no question, there are "Nintendo People", I've even seen a few "Polyphony People" around here... because these are the creators of the entertainment they love.

      Seriously, when was the last time you saw a metalhead flock around Electra records just because Metallica and Dream Theater are signed on with them? I know I haven't, and I've travelled in that circle for YEARS. Similarly, consoles are like record labels. Nintendo and Sega have (had in Sega's case) a unique thing going on, because they were just as well known for their games as for their consoles, and many people equate the two, so the consoles started taking on the image of having the same design philosophy as their games... THEN people start being "Nintendo People" in the sense of getting Nintendo consoles. But you don't find the same thing in the Sony world.

      Square signs back to Nintendo (it could happen, they're not a Sony exclusive), you won't see any Final Fantasy fans bat an eye, you'll just hear a lot of comments like, "here Wii come!".

      --
      Multiplayer Gaming (defined): Sitting around, discussing single-player games with my friends, at the bar.
    62. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by phulegart · · Score: 1

      "Legacy" in the context of a college fraternity, which is the context I clearly used it in, referrs to an individual who does not need to go through any initiation or decision process before that individual is allowed to join that fraternity. Typically that individual had a blood relative in the fraternity previously, who was in good standing.

      People still use a bevy of Sony products. All of the ones I mentioned, and more. That does not appear to be changing any time soon.

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      "I love deadlines. I love the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." -D. Adams
    63. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by thedletterman · · Score: 1

      I just rediscovered the joy of my PSP when I learned I could install a PSone emulator on it and play FFVII all over again 3

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      Any fool can criticise, condemn, and complain, and most fools do. - Benjamin Franklin
    64. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by Xrikcus · · Score: 1

      It's strange really, I spend a lot of time on the web and didn't notice any hype at all. First thing I saw was sitting in a cinema (Superman or something) and an advert came on, all heavy going and then the voiceover said "Snakes on a Plane" and everyone in the cinema burst out laughing. It's just possible that the ads were silly enough to attract people to see exactly what the film was about. It doesn't really take a lot to get to number 1 as a film, afterall (maybe more so than a cd...).

    65. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by Redlazer · · Score: 1
      You can get paid $8 an hour at MCDonalds?

      Wow, where do you ive? im moving.

      -Red

      --
      Guns don't kill people, "with glowing hearts" kills people.
    66. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      -1 Missed the point.

      I think the sarcasm in the GP post just caught a plane way over your head. Maybe even one with snakes on.

    67. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by OrangeTrafficCone · · Score: 1

      Replace? What replace? My household has (at the moment): 1 1976-era Atari 2600 (10 carts) 1 Atari Flashback 2 (un-modded) 1 N64 1 Gamecube 1 PS2 1 Xavix 2 Gameboy Color 2 Gameboy Advance 2 Gameboy Advance SP 1 DS N RCA-plugin-style game-in-a-joystick things (where N is in the neighborhood of 3) Aside from the classic Atari (which is attached to a TV in an inconvenient location: guest bedroom), all of the above get some play at some point during a given week. New systems just makes more options of what/where to play; I love watching my 11 y/o son get frustrated because the bat keeps carrying his sword away in Adventure, more so than his wielding some key-sword thing in Kingdom Hearts 2. Replace means something is broken, not something is no longer the 'it' system.

    68. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by fujiman · · Score: 1

      Obviously, we're all free to express our opinions here. But just for an experiment, I would like you to print out your post, and keep it in a safe place. In the event you do have children, wait until he/she is in 3rd grade, and re-read the post. Having children may not change your stance on this. But in my experience, having children changes just about everything, especially (obviously) attitudes toward raising children. I think a lot of young people have the attitude that being (or having been) a child somehow qualifies you for being a parent. That's sort of like saying being a shoplifter qualifies you for a career in law enforcement. :) For full disclosure, I wouldn't let my 3rd grader play Vice City, or play with another 3rd grader who did.

    69. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by TypeC · · Score: 1

      [quote] Myth: The Playstation 3 will Fail I'm not much of a Sony fan, and [b]never owned a Playstation 2[/b], But I think[/quote] I stopped right there. STFU. I never voted, I don't know how goverment works, nor what any of the candidates stand on the issues, but I am voting for ___ and this is why you should too. :rolleyes:

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    70. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by 7Prime · · Score: 1

      Alaska... cost of living is pretty high here. About 8 years ago, when I DID work at McDonalds, it was $7/hour, which was practically minimum wage. I'm guessing that inflation has driven that up a few notches by now though.

      Unfortunately, hosing costs are through the roof right now, rent for a single bedroom apartment is like $800/month, so $8/h isn't going to get you much.

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      Multiplayer Gaming (defined): Sitting around, discussing single-player games with my friends, at the bar.
    71. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by Gooba42 · · Score: 1

      Not in the legislative sense, no.

      Parents must absolutely be aware of what they are buying for their children. The ESRB definitely does its job here but most parents don't bother reading even the box before making a purchase, much less checking the rating or reading reviews.

      This is not a legislative problem, this is a conditioning problem. Parents think games are for kids as a blanket rule and don't put any more effort into it. How the "Hot Coffee" debacle, BMX XXX and the like haven't taught them otherwise, I haven't the foggiest.

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      I just found out there's no such thing as the real world. It's just a lie you've got to rise above. - John Mayer
    72. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by Gooba42 · · Score: 1

      Yours strikes me as a very fair but naive opinion.

      For each individual child, there is an age at which one may trust them to make certain decisions. There is not a hard and fast rule here, we are all individuals.

      It has not been my experience that children are born with the ability to control their behaviour in the normal adult sense nor are they graced with the judgement to know what is good or right for them and what may be fun but bad for them.

      My brother and I shared a bottle of Children's Tylenol about the time I was 7 or 8. We wound up taking Ipecac to dump whatever we could from our systems. As a young kid "tastes good" was all we thought we needed to know but my mother obviously knew otherwise. The media has a much more subtle effect than physical poison, we would have shortly been very sick or even died and *that* was the natural learning process had our mother not intervened; how much Vice City does a kid have to absorb before obvious signs of trouble appear?

      The jury is in, violent and depraved media makes violent and depraved kids if we let them absorb too much, too fast. Waiting until they're skinning kittens to ban the kitten skinning game from your household is perhaps a bit delayed.

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      I just found out there's no such thing as the real world. It's just a lie you've got to rise above. - John Mayer
    73. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by geminidomino · · Score: 1


      Is that the emulator from Sony, where THEY get to decide what PSone games you can play on it (after paying for them again), or has the homebrew scene gotten one working where it'll play ISOs?

      If I can play FFT, SotN, and Dragon Warrior 7 on it, then the GP2X is going on a shelf and I'll drop the 200 clams.

    74. Re:Is this guy a psychic? by MMaestro · · Score: 1

      Actually, my point was that even though web hype cannot necessarily sustain popularity over an extended period of time (again, see the sudden drop in ticket sales for Snakes on a Plane), it can have an EXTREMELY significant impact when it comes to launch date. (Which is even moreso important when it comes to electronics and the video game industry.)

  2. Printer Friendly, redirect ... booo by neonprimetime · · Score: 1

    I was going to try to get free karma with a printer friendly version ... but it automatically redirect ... booooooo

  3. Yay for blog hits. by daeg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since when is blog commentary considered myth debunking?

    I'm happy to say that with Javascript disabled I didn't give him any ad impressions for that drivel apparently deemed Slashdot-worthy. I have a vertical scrollbar for a reason -- and that reason certainly isn't to click "Next page".

    1. Re:Yay for blog hits. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Agreed. This is poorly-written garbage.

      "Microsoft, who's Xbox 360 is generating healthy sales of both hardware and software, must feel the same way."

    2. Re:Yay for blog hits. by kafka47 · · Score: 1

      On top of that, it's self-promoted garbage. I've seen good articles from "Mr. ExtremeTech", but what is this doing on /.

      I see tripe like this get posted often, yet I've experienced (and heard about), more relevant submissions based around actual games news rejected out of hand.

      I know it's routine for Slashdot to ignore complaints, but really, there needs to be some improvement. Like a conference call or a meeting or something. :)

      /K

    3. Re:Yay for blog hits. by noidentity · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Bytes of text total in first page: 7349
      Bytes in article text in first page: 1161

      Deciding not to read such drivel: priceless

    4. Re:Yay for blog hits. by Thaelon · · Score: 1

      This is why I love sites that have "print view":

      http://www.extremetech.com/print_article2/0,1217,a =187287,00.asp

      Whole article, one page, no ads, only 1 image (site logo).

      Firefox, adblock and the "printable view" of articles are the only things that make websites livable these days. I pity anyone not using FF & Adblock; those are the bare necessities.

      And yeah, the "article" is still full of shit, but at least it doesn't assault you with ads in the print layout.

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      Question everything

    5. Re:Yay for blog hits. by Firehed · · Score: 1

      Too true, these ad-laden sites are getting a bit nuts. Though I prefer the multi-platform approach with the HOSTS file, seeing that there's no adblock for Safari. In any case, extremetech redirects that to the full article, so no mod point for you (sorry!).

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      How are sites slashdotted when nobody reads TFAs?
    6. Re:Yay for blog hits. by dangitman · · Score: 1

      I think you misspelled "bong hits."

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  4. Printable Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  5. The myths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Playstation 3 will Fail
    PC Games are Doomed
    You Need a $500 Graphics Card
    Console Games are for Twitch Gamers
    Handheld Games are for Kids
    Console Games are Too Simple
    PC Games are Too Complicated
    PC Copy Protection is Too Onerous
    Games are Too Violent
    I'm Embarrassed About Gaming

  6. The PS3 may not "fail" ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... but for US$600, I'm sure as hell not buying one.

    1. Re:The PS3 may not "fail" ... by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      --... but for US$600, I'm sure as hell not buying one.--

      but...

      by the time it comes out $600 will only get you a couple of quarts of gas.

  7. True, the PS3 will not fail... by gkhan1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...but it will sure as hell not do very well. When seriously hardcore gamers, like the Penny Arcade guys, says that no way will they buy it at launch, you have a problem. Sure, the initial batch of consoles will sell out, they always do, but there is no way it can threaten the 360 in dominance. The Xboxs online stuff alone will probably make it more popular (and yes, I know Sony is launching its own thing (PS HUB, is it? or have they changed it?) but I doubt that it will be as good as Micrsofts).

    True, the Playstation brand has some cachet in Japan, and even some in the states and Europe. But weighing that against $600 (and even more in Europe) will ensure it a perpetual second or third place in the rankings. I guarantee it.

    1. Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... by LordPhantom · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would have marked this as insightful, but you made the assertation that Xbox will dominate this generation...... and I've gotta say, the Wii looks pretty damn good. (Of course right now it is, as it's the only game in town) I suspect that PS3 will wind up being the odd man out this time around, with people either buyign the Wii or the 360 as an affordable alternative to the PS3.

    2. Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      When seriously hardcore gamers, like the Penny Arcade guys, says that no way will they buy it at launch, you have a problem.

      So they will be buying them at some point. I.e. the sale is made.

    3. Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... by gkhan1 · · Score: 1

      Ahh, man, you didn't mod me up for that? Crap. ;) You are obviously right, it's very possible that the Wii will rule, atleast alot more probable than the PS3. If I were to put money on it, I'd still bet 360 (remember that both the original Xbox and PS2 was more popular than the Gamecube, even though it was cheaper). It could go either way though.

    4. Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... by gkhan1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, but they will probably wait for a price-drop (which will happen when Sony realizes that nobody is buying them, and then they've already lost). And really, when people whose very profession is the study of games simply refuse to go out and get one, you are in deep shit. I've heard a few people on the Gamespot podcast who've said the same thing, even though for them its a tax write-off! I mean, come on!

    5. Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they will be buying them at some point. I.e. the sale is made

      I understand that you're probably new to the english language, but saying you will not buy something at a particular time does not mean that you will purchase it later. If I were to say "I will not be paying a hooker for sex tonight" does not mean that I have, or would ever, pay for the services of a prostitute.

      What the statements from the PA guys really means is that there are lots of people who are really into gaming, have the disposable income to afford the PS3, and typically purchase gaming systems within the first couple of months of launching, that are not going to buy the PS3 because of its price and Sony's hubris; when you consider that Penny-Arcade makes its money (in part) because they keep in touch with what's cool in gaming, if they don't buy the PS3 at launch what kind of statement are they making?

      All I can say is that of all of the people I know who tend to buy systems early none are interested in the PS3 anymore; the odd thing is that after E3 2005 I was the only one interested in the "revolution" whereas everyone else was planning on purchasing the PS3. If no one buys the PS3 initially, why would developers produce exclusive games for it next year? If no developer is producing exclusive games for it why would you buy the PS3?

    6. Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter, Sony can't make enough of them for it to be successful anyway. They'll sell out the initial batch of PS3s well into next year simply because of the limited supply. I bet that once they get their manufacturing worked out, we'll see the PS3 drop down to $300. Right now all they're trying to do is cash in on the $1200 eBay sales and take a slice of that for themselves because they know they can't make enough to meet demand.

      They're only releasing the PS3 right now for marketing purposes so they don't 2 holiday seasons without a next gen console to compete with the X360. If the PS3 fails, it will have as much to do with Microsoft outmaneuvering Sony as it does with Sony's blunders.

    7. Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... by timster · · Score: 1

      I think that when most people say "fail" in the context of the PS3, they don't mean that it will go the way of the Dreamcast. Everyone is aware that Sony has huge momentum coming off the PS1 and 2, and it seems unlikely that there would be any mass exodus of developers. Expecting crickets chirping at launch (as seen with the N-Gage) is completely irrational.

      The problem with TFA's thinking, though, is that Sony is in a completely different position from Microsoft and Nintendo. Nintendo spent relatively little developing the Wii, they will probably sell the console at a small loss if any, and their existing console has almost no momentum at all. From this position, if Nintendo captures 30% of the market they will have achieved a massive success.

      Sony spent a fortune developing the PS3, they will spend a fortune selling it at well below cost, and the PS2 is still a huge success. From this position, capturing only 30% of the market would be an unmitigated disaster for the company, and I wouldn't expect any future Sony consoles.

      This is why it's short-sighted to speak of the console war in terms of #1, #2, #3. Each of the consoles represents a large financial investment that must be evaluated on its own terms. From where I stand, the PS3 looks like a poor investment that may not bring Sony returns to justify the expense. It's not unreasonable to consider that a failure.

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      I have seen the future, and it is inconvenient.
    8. Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... by Junta · · Score: 1

      To be fair, the Gamecube was fundamentally the same as PS2 and X-Box, the Wii is offering some potentially interesting innovation beyond 'more polygons, more lights, bigger discs'. Whether the Wii-mote will actually be fun or appealing remains to be seen, but it is an innovation that seems much more well executed and central compared to PS3's apparent last minute modification to mimick Wii and offset their likely legal-induced vibration function removal.

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      XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
    9. Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 1

      In the overall sold, Xboxes it beat the GC by a few thousand units. However on the flipside remeber that the Xbox sold ALLOT of units due to how eaisy it is to pirate and how you can make it into a nice mediacenter box. Heck I should know. I've moded a ton of Xboxes and have three of my own with chips in them. Do I buy games? Yes...do I play games more or use them more as streaming media boxes? Take a wild guess.

    10. Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 1

      Sony can't drop the price anymore than they allready have. Even at the price they are selling the console at they could get themselves into trouble with anti-trust issues (MS too for that matter) called "dumping." Whats dumping you ask? When one company unfairly sells something below cost in order to win the market over and it suceeds at wipeing out the competition. Probably the only reason Nintendo hasn't cried fowl yet is because they still make a whole hell of allot more off thier consoles than MS & Sony can for the next couple generations. Look for Sony to sart hacking out a 3rd SKU with even less "features" if things get bad enough.

    11. Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However on the flipside remeber that the Xbox sold ALLOT of units


      "A lot". Two words. Not "alot", not "allot". "A lot".

      Although given the rest of your post, I'm guessing you're drunk, and should probably be forgiven.
    12. Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... by xero314 · · Score: 1

      I'm not going to speculate wether the PS3 is going to succeed or fail, but I will point out a few things that people often miss.

      Sony is not a new company, and regardless of the focus on their failures these days, they have had some very successful product lines. I remember when Sony's Walkman brand was synonymous with portable music players, and this was from the early 80s until the rise in popularity of MP3 players. PlayStation all but replaced the phrase "Game Console" in it's first two incarnations. That may be an extreem, but by market share in number of households, no other console comes close world wide (Note I said console not handheld). Sony ruled the MMORPG space for a few years prior to the inroads made by Blizzard. On top of all that they still have a successful cell phone, television and car audio business, which are nothing to balk at.

      Now where I really differ from the common slashbot is the idea of quality of choice. Sony has historically be a driving force in many superior technologies that ultimately failed, not because of quality but because the, all be it sometimes justified, fear of monopolies. BetaMax was superior in quality to VHS, MiniDisk Was superior to CD and now BlueRay is superior to HD-DVD (though that has yet to be shown in the real world). And as much as people argue it, the PS2 was the only previous generation game console capable of 1080i resolution, and certainly the only console to actually have a game released that was capable of such resolution. And also, as much as it has slipped some over the years, Sony's quality control for the games released for their consoles has been better than any other manufacturer.

      So take what you hear or read with a grain of salt, even from me, because the majority of the populous doesn't know what DRM is, they don't care if you can't read from graphic memory at a high rate (and really who would), and a $600 price tag, to shut up their kids for a while, is a very small price to pay since it's still far cheaper than a go-cart, minibike, ATV, Decent TV, laptop, swimming pool, car, or any of the numerous other childhood extravagances people pay good money for.

    13. Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... by dangitman · · Score: 1
      ...but it will sure as hell not do very well. When seriously hardcore gamers, like the Penny Arcade guys, says that no way will they buy it at launch, you have a problem

      I'd say it's more likely that those guys are full of shit. They have tried it yet, all they have is speculation. I think they will probably buy one within weeks of release, even if they keep that secret and claim they don't have one. After all, they are "hardcore gamers" who write commentary on gaming. On one level, someone who does that for an occupation would be irresponsible not to try all the options.

      In any case, it is irrelevant, as "hardcore gamers" make a up a very tiny portion of the people who actually buy consoles. Many gamers have a total anti-console attitude, seeing PC gaming as where it's at. Meanwhile, the masses continue to buy consoles despite the opinions of hardcore gamers.

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    14. Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... by kamapuaa · · Score: 1

      That's not actually what dumping is...for one thing, it's being sold for approximately the same price in its home market as to foreign markets.

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    15. Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 1

      Oh deer save me from a Grammar Nazi AC.

    16. Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 1

      Never said it wasn't being sold at the same price in it's own market as foreign markets. It is however being sold quite below what it costs to be manufactured in order to try and beat the compition. Which is indeed a form of dumping. Nintendo has yet to lose any money really because of them while they both get deeper into the red. If MS & Sony sold thier consoles at the price it costs them to be made or god forbid a profit everyone would laugh at them and either stick with what they have or go buy a Wii. Afterall Sony thinks thier PS3 is an, "amazeing price" for the value. I personaly have the opinion that either Sony or Microsoft will be out of the console producing market once this round finishes up. Having your product be in the red for ten years running while the suposidly inferior competitor continues to rake in the money selling less != a raise.

    17. Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 1
      (and yes, I know Sony is launching its own thing (PS HUB, is it? or have they changed it?) but I doubt that it will be as good as Microsofts).
      Scary! If this sentence appearing on /. isn't the clearest sign of the coming of the armaggedon.

      /me flees to the hills...
    18. Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... by yuna49 · · Score: 1

      Sony has historically be a driving force in many superior technologies that ultimately failed, not because of quality but because the, all be it sometimes justified, fear of monopolies. BetaMax was superior in quality to VHS

      As someone old enough to remember the Beta/VHS competition, let me assure you that no one was worried about "monopolies." There were two obstacles to Beta's success. One was that it was somewhat more expensive than VHS, but more importantly, VHS had a two-hour recording time to Beta's one. That made it impossible to tape a complete movie on a single Betamax tape. VHS traded picture quality, which most people didn't notice or didn't care about, for convenience, which most people did care about.

    19. Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... by xero314 · · Score: 1

      I was trying to avoid getting into details on why each of the listed technologies failed or succeeded. After all Sony was bound to be a big winner in the VCR wars regardless of which format won since VHS was based in part on technology licensed from Sony. In the end, all the technologies I listed, were replaced because of the ambiguity of their competing products not on any core competency. I mean after all in the history of VCRs there was a period of time where BetaMax actually had a longer recording time than VHS, but it didn't help.

    20. Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... by yuna49 · · Score: 1

      I agreed with nearly everything you wrote in both postings, except for the part about monopolies. I don't think most consumers think about monopolies nor care much about them. I certainly don't recall anyone saying in 1975-77 that they didn't buy a Betamax because Sony's a monopoly.

  8. Something Positive by dintech · · Score: 1

    Its great to see someone tackling both fanboy myths and non-gamer myths in the same article. Its really puts into perspective that both of those groups think about things in the same ignorant way.

    1. Re:Something Positive by garylian · · Score: 1

      Actually, there wasn't anything impressive at all about this blog. It was all things that are fairly obvious to just about everyone except those who are raving fanatics about .

      How this got accepted at /. is anyone's guess. Slow news day?

  9. Eleven. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Myth 11: Breaking up an article into little bitty chunks and failing to provide a printer-friendly view motivates people to read your content.

    1. Re:Eleven. by refitman · · Score: 1

      Just scroll down a bit.

      Under options you can quite clearly see the word "Print".

      D'oh

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    2. Re:Eleven. by kingturkey · · Score: 1

      Not a very obvious link, but it's there: printer friendly version

  10. PS3's failure is not a "myth". by zyl0x · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The Playstation 3 will fail.
    By definition, a myth is:
    1. a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, esp. one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.
    2. stories or matter of this kind: realm of myth.
    3. any invented story, idea, or concept: His account of the event is pure myth.
    4. an imaginary or fictitious thing or person.
    5. an unproved or false collective belief that is used to justify a social institution.
    Going from definition 3, which I assume this "journalist" is also using, the PS3's failure would have to be completely made-up. This is, in fact, quite the opposite. The PS3's failure has been a calculated one, gathered from both the facts given to us from Sony's stupid PR team, and the concepts of what have made successful consoles in the past.
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    1. Re:PS3's failure is not a "myth". by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 1

      Yeah, he is contorting the concept of a myth for that one. Normally, when one "debunks" a myth, one shows reliable information that pretty conclusively removes "reasonable" doubt to the contrary. To "debunk" the "myth" that the PS3 will fail, it seems that you need to say, "according to this visit on my time machine..."

    2. Re:PS3's failure is not a "myth". by 7Prime · · Score: 1

      Well, I wouldn't go that far. It would be perfectly ligitimage to quote marketting statistics, with reasonable margin of error, or things like historical marketting situations very similar to this that have resulted in obvious trends. The problem is, he has done neither of these things, or any other kind of data or even marketting psychology explanations to back up his claims.

      Basically, this artical reads like: "The PS3 will not fail because... because, well, just look at the PS2! It did great! So Sony can't POSSIBLY do THAT badly!"

      I'm sorry to say (or not), that previous success, in itself, is NOT a ligitimate reason in predicting the success of a future product. Just look at the SUV market. The "continued success" excuse was used for years by US auto manufacturers, and now their laying off thousands of employees because of it. Empires DO crumble under their own weight, and fairly frequently.

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    3. Re:PS3's failure is not a "myth". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Er... so you need a time machine to say that the PS3 will NOT fail, but it's perfectly reasonable to proclaim that it WILL fail?

    4. Re:PS3's failure is not a "myth". by twosmokes · · Score: 1

      The PS3's failure has been a calculated one

      Just like it was completely calculated beforehand that the Dreamcast would all but kill Sega as a company?

      Because children crying that it's "3xp3ns!v3" on their blogs is really calculated.
      Saying that the PS3 will be a failure OR a success is nothing but speculation at this point.

      Just because you may not want one, don't assume that nobody else does either.

  11. Thank goodness it is a new article! by bigbigbison · · Score: 3, Interesting

    WHen I saw the headline, I was afrad that someone had stumbled on Henry Jenkins "Video Game Myths Debunked" had been rediscovered once again and posted. (Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the article, but it just gets discovered every once in a while as if it were a new article).

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  12. Is this some sort of joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So on the first page I read this.

    I've been following interactive games for nearly two decades now, both as a gamer and as someone who writes about gear that PC gamers use.

    Than I get to the second page and read this.

    I'm not much of a Sony fan, and never owned a Playstation 2.

    That is where I stopped reading. How am I suppose to take someone opinion seriously when they aren't even a serious counsel gamer. No offense, but there is a very different world between that of a counsel and that of a PC, and a very fine line as well. A fine line that has long been crossed with a 600 dollar price tag and a trail of broken promises. It is very hard to take this artical seriously whatsoever.

    1. Re:Is this some sort of joke? by nullChris · · Score: 1

      Since when does Sony Playstation = Console Player?

      People who played on predominantly NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Master System, Genesis, Saturn, Dreamcast, Xbox, Xbox 360, and others would beg to differ.

      You don't need to own a playstation to be a serious console gamer.

    2. Re:Is this some sort of joke? by bigbigbison · · Score: 1

      You have to have a PS2 to be a console gamer? So all those machines I've bought from Atari, Nintendo, and Microsoft don't count? Curses!

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    3. Re:Is this some sort of joke? by Slovenian6474 · · Score: 1

      i saw "Anonymous Coward". That is where I stopped reading.

    4. Re:Is this some sort of joke? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      "serious counsel gamer."

      A what?

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    5. Re:Is this some sort of joke? by mcmonkey · · Score: 1
      You have to have a PS2 to be a console gamer?


      To be a gamer, no. To be taken seriously as someone making commentary on the gaming industry, yes.


      It's kinda like saying, I'm going to be a movie critic and make predictions about what the next big hit will be, but I've never seen anything by that Spielberg kid.

    6. Re:Is this some sort of joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i saw "Slovenian". That is where I stopped reading.

    7. Re:Is this some sort of joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's like saying you don't OWN any Spielberg movies. I've played assloads of PS1 and PS2 games and never owned either console. Why? Because my friends had them and I had no need to own them myself. I owned a Gamecube and an XBOX and didn't want to plop down the money on a PS2 as well. Just because I don't own one doesn't mean I haven't USED one.

    8. Re:Is this some sort of joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      counsel gamer

      You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
    9. Re:Is this some sort of joke? by Slovenian6474 · · Score: 1

      Your loss.

  13. 5 pages to say nothing? by Xehn · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Printer friendly version

    This entire article reads like "Here is something no one really believes in the first place, and here is why it isn't true." This isn't "debunking myths", this is taking things that MAY have been true about gaming 10 years ago, and listing common sense exceptions that anyone reading the games section of /. would mutter in their sleep.

    From TFA:
    I'm Embarrassed About Gaming
    This is not so much a public myth, as a private one. I've spoken with large numbers of people over the years who confess to me that they're gamers, too, as if we're part of some giant Gamer's Anonymous group trying to break the habit.

    I don't know about you, but I've never thought of gaming as an embarrassment. Especially when today, the game industry does more in sales than Hollywood. How many people are embarrassed about enjoying movies (certain prequels of certain sci-fi trilogies notwithstanding)? I, for one, am embarrassed I took the time to read this.
    1. Re:5 pages to say nothing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "specially when today, the game industry does more in sales than Hollywood."

      That's a myth. IIRC, started when some bozo compared US box office numbers versus world wide video game sales.

    2. Re:5 pages to say nothing? by DarkJC · · Score: 1

      The only thing embarassing about gaming I find is walking into an EB that constantly smells like BO. I don't know how the people working in there can stand it.

    3. Re:5 pages to say nothing? by mgblst · · Score: 1

      If you are a 25-30 year old male, still playing Nintendo and you are not embarrassed, then I say there is something wrong with you. I used to love playing games when I was young, but wouldn't want to waste my time these days.

      There are far too many things to do in the real world. And games just can't hold their appeal over something in the real world.

      Now the odd game at a mates house of some racing title is ok, but if you are going to be lining up for the Wii/PS3 at launch, then that is a little sad.

  14. "Video Games Are Too Violent" by n6kuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...is not a myth. It's a personal opinion.
    For some people, no video game is too violent; for others, even Pac-Man is way too 62% violent.

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  15. Most of these "myths" became redundant ages ago... by Red+Samurai · · Score: 0

    I mean, who still thinks gaming is embarassing? And handhelds are for kids? They don't know what they're talking about.

  16. Uh... by Dragoon412 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    But the proponents of PC gaming Armageddon forget that the game play styles of PC games versus console games are different.

    This gets bandied about all the time, and I wonder if anyone saying it ever stops to think.

    PC and console games tend to be different because the systems have different capabilities. Your PC's monitor has, traditionally, crammed a lot more pixels onto the screen than your TV's. This has tended to favor genres that need a lot of screen real-estate, like RTS, and the genres that typically go heaviest on the eye candy, like FPS. Furthermore, every PC comes equipped with a keyboard and mouse (spare me the pedantry of your 8086 not having a mouse), which gives a more precise control setup than a typical gamepad. What needs precision in control more than anything? FPS games. Hence, the PC has dominated RTS and FPS, while the console has played to its strengths (or, at least, to minimize its weaknesses), giving us menu-based RPGs, sports, platformers, and the like.

    But think about it - HDTV? A 1080p TV is pushing a lot more pixels than most peoples' monitors. Even at 720p, you've got a whole lot of pixels on that screen. And the consoles are taking advantage. RTS is looking more and more feasible on the console. Meanwhile, they've got the "ooh, wow, eye candy!" effect from the resolution increase. So does anyone think it's really a major stretch to see a KBM setup on a console? Hell, the Xbox already has one! And for all we (no pun intended) know, the Wiimote is going to blow the KBM setup out of the water for FPS gameplay.

    So, I'm not saying the PC is dying, but looking at this zomg pc gamez r difrent then console games argument: the gameplay experiences are different because of the hardware differences, and the hardware differences are decreasingly significant.

    The PC once had exclusive dominion over online play, superior control, superior display, and moddability, at the expense of higher cost and (potentially) having to deal with the headache of PC hardware/compatibility issues.

    Now, the consoles have online play. They've got the great displays, and tentatively, even better control, with none of the hassles of PC gaming.

    The only thing the PC's got a leg up on, now, is moddability, and with the likes of XBL, how long can we expect that to last, maybe this generation?
    1. Re:Uh... by ichigo+2.0 · · Score: 1

      So does anyone think it's really a major stretch to see a KBM setup on a console?

      No. But I think it's a major stretch to think that people will start to have their consoles at their desks. Because using a mouse and keyboard at your sofa is simply not gonna happen. Of course the Wii could change things.

    2. Re:Uh... by Slovenian6474 · · Score: 1

      I'd have to agree and disagree. First off, i think console and PC games do in fact have a different style. In this area i would agree with the author of the article on the RTS and FPS. Although the console area is catching up to the abilities of the PC, they aren't there yet. Yes 1080p is here but still quite expensive. Most 19" CRTs and 20"+ LCD can reach 1600x1200 resolution. That're significantly cheaper than any 1080p TV i've seen.

      As for the FPS, the Wiimote has vast potential for this area in the console. As an avid FPS PC gamer, i'm all for the fun of the Wiimote (i'm waiting in line for this one), i'm still rather skeptical of the precision of the technology against the precision of the mouse+keyboard.

      Now for the part i agree with. Money aside, TV's are getting up there in resolution with 1080p. I think consoles can EASILY appeal to more FPS with an addition of a keyboard and mouse to the console along with several games supporting it. The wiimote definiately looks fun, that's something i have to try before i can say more about it.

      Final thoughts, i don't think console gaming will ever replace PC gaming and visa versa. Currently they ARE in fact relatively seperate styles. There are many exception though. Halo is an EXCELLENT console FPS which i feel wasn't as great on the PC even with the keyboard+mouse. I felt the lack of precision (compared to a mouse) using the joysticks actually added to the balance in the game. But as main stream people, PC has a higher resolution screen, tighter control, more options. Next-gen systems are definately picking up ground though. Like you, i'm very curious to the potental of the Wiimote and XBL.

    3. Re:Uh... by brkello · · Score: 1

      Not that I disagree with your point about games being different (even though they are to a certain extent)...but I disagree with the spirit of your post.

      I play both PC and console, and really don't have any sort of bias because I like both. The difference between the two is more about how I want to interact with the game. If the game has simple controls, then they are great for a console. If they are more complex, they are better for a PC. Now hold up, I know you mentioned that consoles will have (in fact already do) setups to have a keyboard and mouse. That's fine, but my console is set up to my TV. My TV is all about comfort. Soft reclining couches facing a big screen tv. I do not want to have a Keyboard/mouse setup because there is no comfortable way to use that in my living room. It would be just as weird to me to hook up a controller to my PC and sit at a desk a few feet away from the screen. So even if I have those options, I won't take them. PCs will always be superior to consoles for FPS's and RTS's and games like civ IV for this reason. I'll enjoy RPGs more on a console because I can relax and enjoy the story. This is the main difference and this isn't going to change.

      And as far as XBOX live and other console Inernet services...those come no where close to what you can get from the Internet. The only content patches you will get off of there is stuff that is released by the developer and they will charge you for it. The Internet offers so much more from the user community and it is free. Maybe if they opened it up to more free user developed mods...but currently it is not going in that direction.

      PC and console gaming are alive and well and will be for a long time. They both have nice little niches to fill and nothing has come out or is coming out that leads me to believe this will change.

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    4. Re:Uh... by mcmonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting
      No. But I think it's a major stretch to think that people will start to have their consoles at their desks. Because using a mouse and keyboard at your sofa is simply not gonna happen.

      Word. Remember, the history of keyboards for consoles goes back (at least) to Colecovision and Intelivision, through Dreamcast, up to XBox. That's not to say it will never catch on, but the trend is certainly for folks to not buy keyboards for their consoles.

    5. Re:Uh... by prockcore · · Score: 1
      A 1080p TV is pushing a lot more pixels than most peoples' monitors. Even at 720p


      What? 1080p is 1920x1080 and 720p is 1280x720.

      The crappiest $485 Dell laptop has a 1280x720 LCD.
      The medium range Dell laptops (~$900 base) have LCDs with 1600x1200 resolution.
    6. Re:Uh... by pjludlow · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm in the minority, but I just don't like console games. Granted I lived through the NES generation and played all the time and borrowed games from my friends and whatnot, but since then I haven't had another console. Never got a SNES, Nintendo 64, Cube, Playstation, xBox, etc. However, I always had my computer and enjoy the games on that much more. I just can play much better with a keyboard and mouse than with any gamepad. For me I think I'd rather hook up my computer to the TV than to buy a console.

    7. Re:Uh... by syrinx · · Score: 1

      Except everyone who has a PC bought in the past 7 years or so has a monitor that can do 1024x768, and most likely much higher. *Maybe* 5% of the population has HDTVs, and I'd be surprised if it was that many. (No, people on Slashdot don't count, and your friends probably don't either. Think normal people.) Unless you're going to include the $2000 for a new super-duper-resolution HDTV in the price of console gaming, which blows your "PC gaming is more expensive!" argument out of the water.

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    8. Re:Uh... by buzzzz · · Score: 1

      You forget the biggest thing the PC has above consoles... I don't have to buy another device!!!. I can spend the 600$ on hardware that would make my games look so much better and at the same time make my life easier on so many other levels too. But then, I am just a PC Gaming fan.

    9. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      *Maybe* 5% of the population has HDTVs, and I'd be surprised if it was that many.

      It was higher than that two years ago. I've seen anywhere from six to ten percent. The rate of adoption keep climbing each year. I can't find anything more current but I wouldn't even be surprised if it were up around 20% now, though I don't think it's passed that mark yet.

    10. Re:Uh... by virg_mattes · · Score: 1

      > The only thing the PC's got a leg up on, now, is moddability, and with the likes of XBL, how long can we expect that to last, maybe this generation?

      Oddly, the leg up my computer has over a console is the office suite. And the Internet. And email. And so on. The reason PC games aren't going to die is that the console can't substitute for a PC. Therefore, people will continue to have PCs in their houses, and therefore games will continue to be made for them. I certainly can't give up my computer in favor of a console, and if a game comes out for the PC that I like, I'll get it. Even with games that can port to console relatively simply, I'm going to choose my format based on my preferred venue. For example, even if Myst came out on a console (and the interface for that game would be just fine for a controller), I'd still prefer to play it sitting in a chair to my couch. Examples the other way also work, but that's not so relevant to the parent.

      Virg

    11. Re:Uh... by plumby · · Score: 1

      For me, the big difference is more at the input level than the output. I usually play PC games sat on an office-type chair, at a desk with a keyboard and mouse in front of me. I play console games slumped on the sofa with a joypad.

      I wouldn't want to play something like Civilisation on a console. It would just be painful. But by the same token, I wouldn't really want to play Pro Evolution Soccer on a PC (or at least in a typical PC environment).

    12. Re:Uh... by Voltageaav · · Score: 1

      I use a wireless mouse and keyboard sitting on my couch and using my HDTV as a monitor while playing PC games all the time. I don't know why, but sitting on the couch and using the TV to play my PC games seems to work so much better for me most of the time.

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    13. Re:Uh... by ichigo+2.0 · · Score: 1

      For me the wires isn't much of a problem, but the lack of a good surface to use the mouse on. Using a mouse on the surface of a couch sounds annoying, so I'd need a suitably large piece of plywood or something else flat. Also having the keyboard in your lap isn't very ergonomic, and feels shaky.

    14. Re:Uh... by Shadarr · · Score: 1
      So does anyone think it's really a major stretch to see a KBM setup on a console?
      You're missing the point there, I think. No, you will never see keyboard & mouse become prevalent on consoles. However, the big question is what does a KBM interface allow you to do? The mouse gives you precise, intuitive control. The keyboard gives you a lot of button options and the ability to chat via text. If it works as advertised, the Wii controller will offer the intuitive control of a mouse. The functions of a keyboard can be replaced with better context-sensitive control schemes (ie the same button does different things in different situations) and voice chat. There's no technological reason that WoW couldn't work on the 360 (other than Microsoft's idiotic requirement that all games must support the HDD-less retard pack). PC MMOGs use text chat because all PCs come with a keyboard. Well, 360s come with a headset. Different hardware, but the same basic function.
    15. Re:Uh... by donaldm · · Score: 1

      Good post.

      I don't really want to get into the console vs PC debate (been going on for years) but I think people have to ask themselves if they would rather sit back on a comfortable chair/sofa or hunch up over a small screen. Surprisingly this can equally apply to both types of gaming.

      I think the majority of gamers would like the comfort although for an intense game (ie. FPS) most people end up sitting in a manner that is not conducive to overall comfort. For people who like games that aren't so intense then sitting back is the way to go especially if your screen is large since you should (depends on your eyesight) sit back at least 1.5 to 3 times the diagonal width of you screen. For me that is about 2.5 to 3 meters (8 ft to 10 ft) but now you come to the problem of cables and the only solution IMHO is to go wireless (not infra red) and again this equally applies to consoles and PC's.

      There is nothing worse then sitting back playing a game and your kids of wife walk in front of you. What is even worse is when they trip over the cable and your expensive PC/Console gets trashed. That was how I lost my original PS2.

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    16. Re:Uh... by donaldm · · Score: 1

      Yes you are right but when people talk about 1080p/1080i HDTV's they mean TV's that are normally between 24" to 60" or more in size. I have yet to see a high res PC monitor over 24". in addition quite a few computer monitors actually can be used with some consoles, the PS2, Game Cube, Xbox and the next gen consoles will work on them. In-fact the line between what is called a computer monitor and a HDTV is becoming quite blurred.

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    17. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm surprised that no one has thought of that in order to have mods you need to have someone to make them. I see people who might like for the PC to go away but who then going to make your mods for you? Is someone going to load up photoshop and other developement tools on a console and create content with a gamepad? =X I can almost hear someone say "dev kit!" but those typically aren't priced for the average mortal.

        I also think that if you are going to spend over 600 dollars on a PC that it is reasonable for you to expect it to also be able to play games as well as do other things like create content and other work. This is just a personal preference but I like one box that can do everything rather than a hundred smaller boxes that do individual things.

    18. Re:Uh... by prockcore · · Score: 1

      I agree. While those Apple Cinema Displays are practically HDTVs, they're also expensive, and not something the average person will ever own.

      Personally, I think gaming is better on consoles. For one, you don't need to worry about not being able to play the game 10,20 or even 30 years from now. My kids can play the video games I played as a kid. The same can't be said for the computer games I owned.

    19. Re:Uh... by DeadScreenSky · · Score: 1

      Of course you don't like console games, you haven't tried them in more than 15 years!

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    20. Re:Uh... by DeadScreenSky · · Score: 1

      (other than Microsoft's idiotic requirement that all games must support the HDD-less retard pack)

      There are already at least two HDD-only games on the 360 and they've been out for several months: FFXI and Football Manager. FFXI was even announced prior to the 360's launch. This "requirement" you are talking about doesn't exist.

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    21. Re:Uh... by DeadScreenSky · · Score: 1

      It was higher than that two years ago. I've seen anywhere from six to ten percent. The rate of adoption keep climbing each year. I can't find anything more current but I wouldn't even be surprised if it were up around 20% now, though I don't think it's passed that mark yet.

      I've heard estimates of 20% myself, but those are very recent. At the least it's certainly way above "maybe 5%".

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  17. Impossible revelations! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Read on tomorrow when we learn that the grass is green and the sky is above us!

    Seriously now. Is there any fact hidden in that somewhere or am I just missing it between the general knowledge drivel? I was hoping to see some statistics or cross referenced research that can be used to come to the revelation that (insert 'myth' here) can be busted.

    Instead we get "oh really" statements from someone. C'mon, I can do that myself, if that's all it takes to create a well received blog, I think it's time to start typing...

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  18. For PS3, it depends on how you define failure by Astarica · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If failure means 'fail to utterly dominate the market like PS and PS2', which is certainly a valid criteria, then it does seem like PS3 is definitely going to fail. Note that you can get a 51% market share, which would be plenty good for any companies not named Sony, and still be considered a failure relative to the PS and PS2.

    1. Re:For PS3, it depends on how you define failure by donaldm · · Score: 1

      I think the best way to define failure is when you actually make an overall loss on a product. Some people think the Nintendo N64 was a failure and granted it did not sell as well as Nintendo liked but it still made a profit. Now the Xbox sold more consoles than the Nintendo Game Cube but Nintendo still made quite healthy profit while the Xbox lost over US$1300M (see Google).

      All Sony has to do is make a profit and recoup their R&D (remember this was a cooperative effort with IBM and Toshiba). IBM also has plans for the Cell chip so there is profit to be made here.

      Even the so called low yields of the Cell Chip (approx 20% and for a first time run on a chip that size this is quite good) and Blue-Ray lasers (30%) are not really loss producing and what many people continually fail to realise is the fact that Sony completely controls the manufacturing process unlike Microsoft.

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    2. Re:For PS3, it depends on how you define failure by aadvancedGIR · · Score: 1

      I guess it won't be so hard to sell every single unit of the 100-200K they would have managed to build and so they could call their 2% share a success.

    3. Re:For PS3, it depends on how you define failure by thedletterman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So the Wii will be a smashing success, because it's hurdle is the 12% marketshare the Gamecube enjoys, and the PS3 will be a total failure because their hurdle is the PS2's 62% marketshare. Great argument.

      People will inevitably look at figures like the sheer number of consoles manufactured and sold by each respective companies and make useless predictions about which console is king. Of course, that will be a mere five months into the PS3 and Wii's production and nearly two years into the Xbox 360's production. If we are going to use market penetration (instead of developer support) as a key indicator of console success, let us neither gaze into crystal balls nor compare unmatched data.

      I'd like to see how the Wii, Xbox 360, and PS3 will sell in their first three months by region as a fair indicator. I'd like to see how many games sell over 100,000 copies in the first six months for each console. What I don't want to see is that Sony PS3 has 11% of the market share (because they did not start manufacturing when Microsoft did) so it's declared a failure in the first six months, or that the Wii is spectacular because it has hundreds of games at a $30 price point. Just look at the Xbox arcade if you want plentiful, cheap, "fun" games.

      The Wii is a toy, that's why it is so cheap. It will be cheap and simply to manufacture, and any chinese electronics factory will be able to crank them out by the millions. There's no scarcity of the outdated technology being used to build this console.. in seems they could probably refurbish N64s into Wiis.

      The Xbox 360 seems only a halfstep, it's added some horespower, improved (but not perfected) their copyprotection, and imitated the PS2 controller a bit more. Other than that, they've really only improved their interface and software.

      The PS3 will introduce a new high-density media, and will be the only console capable of 1080p play. It will also be the driving force behind optimizing code for multi-core gaming, and every PC gamer who plans on owning a quad-core AMD system next year should be thanking Sony for that. There's alot of innovation behind the PS3, and Sony doesn't seem to be getting any pre-release love for it. I think in the end, it will be like a medicine that's hard to swallow, but works wonders when everything is said and done.

      Then again, it's so hard to judge a console before it has launched.

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    4. Re:For PS3, it depends on how you define failure by rrdm2k · · Score: 1
      I personally don't see a terrible amount of innovation behind the PS3. Sure it uses a new high density media format and can play games in slightly higher resolution than the competition, but haven't most consoles been able to boast this? All consoles have used higher capacity media and higher resolutions than their predecessors; what I'm saying is that these upgrades aren't innovative, they're merely par for the course.

      The 360 and the PC share common development tools (the XNA tools IIRC) and since the 360 has multiple cores and Microsoft is trying to get people to develop for Vista and the 360, surely the 360 is also going to drive multicore gaming?

      Don't get me wrong, I'm going to buy a PS3 sometime after launch (when the price is right and some decent non-launch games are out) but I still don't see much innovation in the PS3.

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  19. I was debunked too by ReidMaynard · · Score: 3, Funny

    at summer camp

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  20. Myths or opinions? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Myth: The Playstation 3 will Fail
    This isn't a "myth", it's an opinion. It can't be proven or disproven, because it involves matters that haven't happened yet. Once the PS3 is launched, then we can argue if it failed in the market or not.

    BTW, I find it disturbing that this fellow feels that there's no way Sony will lose third party support. It's already happening *before* the console is launched. If they lose much more *after* the console's launch, the console may very well "fail".

    PC Games are Doomed
    As a sweeping statement, I agree that it's too broad. However, I feel compelled to argue that PC Games lack a lot of the popularity and developer support that once existed. Rather than having titles that are uniquely suited to the PC, we're instead faced with titles that are designed to be ported to consoles. The result is that the PC Platform is missing all the fresh titles that would push gaming into new realms. PCs are quickly falling back into business and communications machines with Indie, Web Based, and Casual titles providing less sweeping amusements.

    You Need a $500 Graphics Card
    Where did he pull this one from? Hardcore gamers want a $500 graphics card, but I've never seen it advertised that you need a $500 graphics card for your inexpensive gaming machine. NVidia and ATI have budget lines for the occasional gamer.

    Console Games are for Twitch Gamers
    He thinks Tomb Raider: Legends is an example of a non-twitch game? Um, Civilization? Sim City? The Sims? Methinks this is what is meant by "non-twitch" games. In any case, this idea died with the SNES. (Populous, Sim City, and several other good non-twitch games.) He needs to get with the program.

    Handheld Games are for Kids
    This "myth" is no longer a "myth". It's blindingly obvious that the PSP isn't targetted at 8 year old Jimmy.

    Console Games are Too Simple
    Is it just me, or is this guy REALLY behind the curve? Again, PC Games and Console Games are the same games these days! There are very few PC exclusives anymore. So I don't know where he's getting this idea that people think this. Unless, that is, he's pulling from his 10-years-out-of-date knowledge on PCs vs. Consoles.

    Games are Too Violent
    This isn't a myth. As games target higher age groups, they quickly gain a lot of "adult" content in the form of violence and sexuality. Max Payne pops to mind as a game that was quite disturbing. Similarly, the new 360 title Gears of War is full of disturbing imagery like corpses hanging from hooks. Just because he's playing the Sims doesn't mean that games aren't getting more violent. Then again, just because violent games exist, doesn't mean that games like The Sims don't exist. My only wish is that there'd be a bit more diversification than there is today. Far too many titles (especially for the 360) target "Mature" audiences.
    1. Re:Myths or opinions? by Slovenian6474 · · Score: 1

      Where did he pull this one from? Hardcore gamers want a $500 graphics card, but I've never seen it advertised that you need a $500 graphics card for your inexpensive gaming machine. NVidia and ATI have budget lines for the occasional gamer.

      Gamers want two $500 graphics cards.
    2. Re:Myths or opinions? by sammy+baby · · Score: 1
      Games are Too Violent


      This isn't a myth. As games target higher age groups, they quickly gain a lot of "adult" content in the form of violence and sexuality. Max Payne pops to mind as a game that was quite disturbing. Similarly, the new 360 title Gears of War is full of disturbing imagery like corpses hanging from hooks. Just because he's playing the Sims doesn't mean that games aren't getting more violent. Then again, just because violent games exist, doesn't mean that games like The Sims don't exist. My only wish is that there'd be a bit more diversification than there is today. Far too many titles (especially for the 360) target "Mature" audiences.
      .

      Well, there's violent, and then there's too violent. You mention Max Payne, which I think is instructive - it was a very violent game, and the sequel was not only violent but was, if possible, even more depressing - but it served to tell a story. And the story was actually pretty good, despite the overwrought style of the writing. So yeah, Max Payne was violent, but it was also good and interesting.

      Contrast that with, say, Manhunt or Postal.

      So anyway - I'm in agreement with most everything you're saying, but I found the juxtaposition of the "Myth: games are too violent," with your, "Well, just look at Max Payne" statement troubling. Sometimes we're tempted to make judgements about games in the abstract, or as a group, that we wouldn't necessarily make with regard to single games - MP is violent, and I wouldn't want my daughter playing it, but it's not too violent.
    3. Re:Myths or opinions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You Need a $500 Graphics Card

      Where did he pull this one from? Hardcore gamers want a $500 graphics card, but I've never seen it advertised that you need a $500 graphics card for your inexpensive gaming machine. NVidia and ATI have budget lines for the occasional gamer.


      And the myth is propagated; what difference does it make how often you game?
    4. Re:Myths or opinions? by IntergalacticWalrus · · Score: 1

      No, it's never advertised that you need a 500$ card, but still, for some reason that's what most people seem to think. I'm sure you've also heard a lot of console-biased people say retarded things like "computers gaming sucks because the video card alone costs more than a console", which is only true if you buy one of those higher-end cards that are way overkill for playing any game currently on the market, and that would all run fine on a middle-class card that most likely costs less than most consoles.

    5. Re:Myths or opinions? by fuzz6y · · Score: 1
      Myth: The Playstation 3 will Fail
      This isn't a "myth", it's an opinion. It can't be proven or disproven
      Sure it can. Easily. It's just going to take a while.
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  21. The "myths" by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    None of these are even remotely qualifiable as "myths."

    The Playstation 3 will Fail - This is still wild speculation either way, until it is released and either does well or flops. Either way, speculation on the future is not a myth.
    PC Games are Doomed - Groundless FUD, not a myth.
    You Need a $500 Graphics Card - Not a myth for even the most basic Slashdotter with the slightest grasp on the subject.
    Console Games are for Twitch Gamers - See above.
    Handheld Games are for Kids - See above.
    Console Games are Too Simple - See above.
    PC Games are Too Complicated - See above.
    PC Copy Protection is Too Onerous - Mostly a subjective argument, and too widely ranged a subject to debate in one chunk. It's an issue, not a myth.
    Games are Too Violent - See above.
    I'm Embarrassed About Gaming - See above.

    1. Re:The "myths" by ichigo+2.0 · · Score: 1

      You Need a $500 Graphics Card - Not a myth for even the most basic Slashdotter with the slightest grasp on the subject.

      Sadly a noticeable portion of slashdotters seem to not have the slightest grasp on the subject, so I think restating the obvious is in this case a good thing.

    2. Re:The "myths" by brkello · · Score: 1

      I know you are trying to prove a point...but you go too far. Some of these are myths, some are not. Your reasons for them not being myths are pretty piss poor. Some are myths and some are misconceptions...and a few don't really fit. It's just on par with the other terrible game journalism I have come to expect from people who write about games.

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    3. Re:The "myths" by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 1

      What from the list would you describe as a myth?

  22. joke is on you a-hole: do you mean CONSOLE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no message. just burn.

  23. I'm not usually a spelling nazi, but... by Chosen+Reject · · Score: 3, Funny

    How am I suppose to take someone opinion seriously when they aren't even a serious counsel gamer. No offense, but there is a very different world between that of a counsel and that of a PC

    My wife is in counseling psychology. She plays games, so I would consider her a serious counsel gamer and she thinks the PS3 is not going to succeed. Also, you are very correct that there is a big difference between counsel and a PC. However, with the Internet, I get a lot of counsel from my PC, so I guess it really is a fine line.

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  24. Who ever believed these "myths"? by DesireCampbell · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are they trying to say anyone ever believed in these "myths"? I can't pick out anything that any normal person would actually believe.

    1. The Playstation 3 will Fail
    Huh? What's the difference between this playstation and the last one? This scenario is exactly like when the PS2 was introduced: nothing really ground-breaking, better graphics, new media options, better controllers... and people still bought the PS2. I see no reason the PS3 won't do just as well.

    2. PC Games are Doomed
    Who the hell ever said that? I can't even fathom where that idea came from.

    3. You Need a $500 Graphics Card
    When has that ever been true? You need a mid-range ($150-$200) video card for top-notch graphics and performance. That has been true for nearly a decade. As new games come out and need better graphics cards, new graphics cards come out and push down the price of the older ones.

    4. Console Games are for Twitch Gamers
    Huh? Consoles are for platformers, auto-aim shooters, and RPGs. Where does "twitch" come into play there? The console controller doesn't lend itself to 'twich gameplay' at all. A computer mouse, on the other (twitchy) hand...

    5. Handheld Games are for Kids
    I've heard "video games are for kids" but nothing about handheld games specifically. Why would handheld games (the majority of which are styled after, or are remakes of, old console games) be treated differently than a TV-based console game?

    6. Console Games are Too Simple
    Huh? You mean the few console-only games? Most games on consoles are ports of PC games, or vice versa.

    7. PC Games are Too Complicated
    How is this even it's own entry? Isn't this just the inverse for the last "myth"?

    8. PC Copy Protection is Too Onerous
    That is true. Just being there is too onerous for my tastes. Strangely though, there's no mention of the extraordinarily more onerous 'console game copy protection'.

    9. Games are Too Violent
    Is Jack Thompson still alive?

    10. I'm Embarrassed About Gaming
    I can't imagine anyone being embarrassed about playing video games. Perhaps there's some shame in 14-hour WoW sessions, but with the general "coolness" regarded to video games over the last five years or so, I can't see anyone hiding the fact that they play Mario on occasion.

    Unless they meant "myths" like 'believed by a few crackpots who have no idea what their talking about', then yes - these certainly ARE myths.

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    1. Re:Who ever believed these "myths"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " 9. Games are Too Violent
      Is Jack Thompson still alive?"

      This is the only one I'd disagree on...it's doesn't really have anything to do with Jack Thompson...

      To the general public this is simply a reflection of where the industry has moved over the years.
      "Too" violent is a subjective statement / opinion but "more" and "increasingly" are better and correct terms. Most sane people do see that gaming as a whole is becoming increasingly violent as the number of Mature titles has historically increased since the inception of home consoles (gradual changes and expansion in target markets) and graphic improvements have lead to more realistic depictions of violence (i.e. cartoonish violence vs. realistic depictions).

      So, "Too violent" is an opinion, not a myth.
      "More violent", "Increasingly violent" is a simple fact.

    2. Re:Who ever believed these "myths"? by Pluvius · · Score: 1

      Are they trying to say anyone ever believed in these "myths"? I can't pick out anything that any normal person would actually believe.

      Welcome to Slashdot!

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    3. Re:Who ever believed these "myths"? by oGMo · · Score: 1
      Huh? What's the difference between this playstation and the last one? This scenario is exactly like when the PS2 was introduced: nothing really ground-breaking, better graphics, new media options, better controllers... and people still bought the PS2. I see no reason the PS3 won't do just as well.

      Yes, in fact, check this funny article in Salon that outlines why you shouldn't buy Sony's next console:

      • It's the most powerful video game platform, but that's not enough
      • There is likely to be a shortage of units
      • Don't expect a lot of quality games soon
      • Big-name PC developers say it's hard to code for
      • Playing next-gen media isn't a selling factor
      • The competitor is half the price
      • It's got to compete against high-profile consoles from Microsoft and Nintendo

      Except the article isn't talking about the PS3... it's talking about the PS2. But the arguments are all the same all over again.

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    4. Re:Who ever believed these "myths"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Strangely though, there's no mention of the extraordinarily more onerous 'console game copy protection'.

      Having played games for 24 years I can say the difference is that with console games is, if you buy the game, it will actually work on the console. With a PC game you have a 50/50 chance of it working. There was a short period of time in the 1990s when this ratio was better, (after windows 95 and VESA made some impact on the graphics card wars) but then worse copy protection schemes came along that would only work on certain models of CD drive. So now PC is similar to the 8 bit computers (e.g. C64) loading from turbo-tape over a dodgy connection (both in speed of install and reliability). Console copy protection is onerous to homebrew and unofficial publishers, but not to normal users.

    5. Re:Who ever believed these "myths"? by LaughingCoder · · Score: 1

      I'll give you 600 reasons why it might fail.

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    6. Re:Who ever believed these "myths"? by ZorbaTHut · · Score: 1
      2. PC Games are Doomed
      Who the hell ever said that? I can't even fathom where that idea came from.
      Actually, a lot of people, including me, believe this in one form or another. I don't think PC games overall are doomed, but I think that big commercial PC games are getting increasingly uninteresting and unimaginative. All the cool new ideas are moving over to the console.

      Seriously, take a look at the recent noteworthy PC games. FPSes, RTSes, MMORPGs, Civilization, and Java games. Wheeeee. Now take a look at the recent console games. I've got turn-based strategy games, I've got puzzlers, I don't even know what Katamari Damacy is, I've got adventure games and RPGs and action games and even MMORPGs.

      There's no Civilization on consoles. There are few RTSes, but they exist (Pikmin, anyone?). The FPS controls kind of suck but that doesn't stop anyone, and the MMORPGs aren't as varied. In every other category the consoles win.

      I don't believe PC games are "doomed". But they're certainly going through a nasty downswing.

      (I've been playing games for 20 years and, up until about 5 years ago, had no reason to want a console. Now I do most of my gaming on consoles.)
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    7. Re:Who ever believed these "myths"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I sure you could be embarrassed about playing some games that are out there... the latest Superman video game for example.

    8. Re:Who ever believed these "myths"? by DesireCampbell · · Score: 1

      So, "Too violent" is an opinion, not a myth.
      "More violent", "Increasingly violent" is a simple fact.


      Well, not really. What's more "violent" than killing swarms of other people? How about vicious fantastical creatures? What's more violent than an alien overlord pillaging, kidnapping, and threatening genocide on a global scale?

      There I was describing 'Mario Bros'. But I could have been describing half the games produced in the last 20 years.

      The only difference between 'Mario Bros' and 'Doom' and 'Doom 3' is the graphical detail. Is the killing and threat of global domination more violent in any game? It's the same threat, just by different pixels.

      The only difference is the visual brutality and gore. Would 'Doom 3' be any less "violent" if the hellions were replaced with bunnies? Liberals? Blue squares? What if the blood and brain splatter was replaced by green blood? Rainbow paint? Flowers? No. It's still "killing" the bunny, and it's still the bunny's insides sprayed against the wall.


      Games today aren't "more violent" they're more "graphic". Violent games of yesteryear seem quaint now because of their now lackluster visuals, and this year's bloodbath game will be just as quaint in a few years for exactly the same reason.

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    9. Re:Who ever believed these "myths"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      8. PC Copy Protection is Too Onerous
      That is true. Just being there is too onerous for my tastes. Strangely though, there's no mention of the extraordinarily more onerous 'console game copy protection'.


      It's hardly extraordinarily more onerous.

      1. Console games tend to just work instead of say, bitching about (non-existent) "virtualization".
      2. Console game copy protection doesn't fuck up the operating system you might wish to use for something else besides gaming.

    10. Re:Who ever believed these "myths"? by mgblst · · Score: 1

      1. The Playstation 3 will Fail
      Huh? What's the difference between this playstation and the last one? This scenario is exactly like when the PS2 was introduced: nothing really ground-breaking, better graphics, new media options, better controllers... and people still bought the PS2. I see no reason the PS3 won't do just as well.

       
      Right? So you have never heard anything negative about the PS3? This is your first visit to Slashdot is it. Lots of people here think the PS3 will fail (and Slashdot is not alone), because it is too expensive mainly, but also because they are trying to push Bluray, the are appearing arrogant, they are trying to copy Nintendo, etc...

      2. PC Games are Doomed
      Who the hell ever said that? I can't even fathom where that idea came from.

       
      So you have never heard this one either? I hear this every now and again, usually when the latest console comes out. The basic idea is that the console is better because it is produced for games, cheaper, games just run out of the box (not so much of a problem these days), there are less bugs and crashes. This idea is a commmon one, even makes certain sense, but the fact that PCs are superior for certain types of games (Strategy, FPS, Net play) means that this might not come about for a while.

      5. Handheld Games are for Kids
      I've heard "video games are for kids" but nothing about handheld games specifically. Why would handheld games (the majority of which are styled after, or are remakes of, old console games) be treated differently than a TV-based console game?

       
      This probaly comes about because of the Gameboy - which was the only handheld system for a while (or at least the main one), and was clearly aimed at kids. Did you really see many people playing gameboy who weren't kids? ANd a kid isn't just someone aged 8, it is 8-14 year old in my book. Personally, i still think that they are for kids, but have seen a few older people playing PSP at the airport.

      6. Console Games are Too Simple
      Huh? You mean the few console-only games? Most games on consoles are ports of PC games, or vice versa.

       
      Firstly, if a console game is ported to the PC, then it doesn't mean that it isn't simple. And this myth comes about because of the controller - it is a lot harder to have a complex game with such a simple controller. This seems like a reasonable myth.

      10. I'm Embarrassed About Gaming
      I can't imagine anyone being embarrassed about playing video games. Perhaps there's some shame in 14-hour WoW sessions, but with the general "coolness" regarded to video games over the last five years or so, I can't see anyone hiding the fact that they play Mario on occasion.

       
      The fact that you think there is a general coolness about playing games, is more a reflection on your beliefs, than anything to do with society. If you are playing games, you are considered to be a loner, with nothing better to do in your life. You are thought that you need to escape reality because you can't handle it, that you don't have any friends, that you are scared to leave your house, that you are simple, etc... These are not my beliefs (although I would think some of these are true, about a 26-year old WOW player), but general society. If you reall think it is so cool, when you are next at a club or pub and see a pretty girl, go up to her and talk about the games you like to play. See her immediate reaction - that is the reaction of most people in the general public, who never played games when they were kids. This is still a lot of people. Dent it all you want, because you mates are similar to you, and think each other is cool, but that is reality. Around 50% of the population (women) is pretty much guaranteed to have not got into video games.

  25. Forgot one by MImeKillEr · · Score: 4, Funny

    11. Duke Nuke'em will actually be finished and brought to market sometime in the next decade.

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    1. Re:Forgot one by CthulhuDreamer · · Score: 1

      "11. Duke Nuke'em will actually be finished and brought to market sometime in the next decade."

      Between 2011 and 2020? Sounds like a possibility...

  26. Re:Is this guy a psychic? or on Sony payroll? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    No, he's obviously someone dependent on either Sony advertising money (a writer at a magazine that will have lots of PS3 ads) or is so wealthy he doesn't understand none of us are interested in shelling out $600 for a PS3 when we get a much more fun $225 Wii and an xBox360 as well for that much ...

    By fail, I don't think most of us mean won't ship or sell any units, we just mean will be the second or third place advanced console, behind the Wii.

    Either that or he loves Blu-Ray.

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  27. Re:Is this guy a psychic? or only right on 9 myths by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He also claims that if the PS3 doesn't win it will be regarded as a Microsoft xBox360 win. I don't know of anyone, other than those working for Microsoft or Lionshead, who think Microsoft would win - they'll be lucky to grab the number two spot behind the Nintendo Wii.

    If anyone could claim to win, it would be Nintendo. Not only will they continue their long line of profitable consoles and games, they would regain the number one spot worldwide, and in the USA.

    The rest of his exploded myths, though, are pretty accurate, although some could argue he's forcing the point.

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  28. Oh, the Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "There also seems to be relatively little historical perspective among some writers, which can alleviate breathless hype, either positive or negative."

    Someone should inform the article's author of the irony of not including historical perspecive in his reasonings (or obvious lack thereof).

  29. GBA? by Proud+like+a+god · · Score: 1

    Don't you mean a DS Lite or did I miss something?

    1. Re:GBA? by GundamFan · · Score: 1

      I think he means that most people have eather a DS or a PSP and the last portable they bought was likely a GBA. Implying that while a PSP is more tecnologicaly advanced than a GBA it isn't at this point more fun.

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  30. Didn't even get in to actual game myths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something like: "Smashing all the buttons while your supermove executes will not increase damage. It will, however, ruin the controls for future patrons of your arcade." would have made an interesting article. This was just a bunch of hearsay about the gaming industry.

  31. Xbox, Gamecube, Dreamcast, (S)NES don't qualify? by Ahnteis · · Score: 1

    He doesn't have a PS2 so he's automatically not a console player? Crazy me, I thought there were lots of OTHER consoles out there.

  32. Re:Forgot another one by SpinJaunt · · Score: 1

    Bundled with a new "mini" game called, Vista.

    Yeah, I'm looking forward to the new Minesweeper too.

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  33. If I only had a brain... by Sebastopol · · Score: 2, Funny

    This article could have been called:

    "An Introduction to Strawman Arguments for the Sake of Wasting Bits"

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    1. Re:If I only had a brain... by piper-noiter · · Score: 1

      Another possible title...

      Sweeping Generalisations that aren't 100% true.

      I mean none of these are shocking or worth are time and his arguments are far from revolutionary either. Oh well, there's 20 min down the drain.

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  34. Bad website. BAD BAD BAD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm referring to Extreme Tech, who doltishly puts two or three paragraphs per page in a fifty page article that can fit in a single page and be read in a minute or two, if only slashdot would link the fucking printable version.

    Am I the only one who hates this greedy advertising shit that, like DRM, only offends and inconvieniences the user? There is no need whatever for a fine site like slashdot to go along with this crap.

    Now to the actual FA and its "myths".

    Myth: The Playstation 3 will Fail
    I think the author's right and hope he's wrong. I hate Sony with a passion and wish they would die a horrible death, with all their stockholders reduced to abject poverty.

    Yeah, I'm the guy who got bitten by their rootkit.

    PC Games are Doomed
    Well, they are and have been since 1993!

    You Need a $500 Graphics Card
    Er, "These range in price from $250 - $400". Ok, you need a $400 card. Still too Goddamned expensive.

    Console Games are for Twitch Gamers
    Of COURSE they are. So are PC games. They're not ONLY for twitch gamers, of course.

    Handheld Games are for Kids
    Well, they are. They're for adults, too.

    Console Games are Too Simple
    Ok, I'll buy that; it's a myth. Or I suck.

    PC Games are Too Complicated
    Well, they are. Some are also too simple.

    PC Copy Protection is Too Onerous
    OK, this guy lost me completely here. ANY copy protection is too onerous! There was a slashdot comment in a thread just today where a guy was pissed at some game company because of its intrusive DRM that wanted an internet connection to play single player. THIS IS TOO ONEROUS. I suppose the author doesn't conesider a root canal to bee too onerous, either. You kids will put up with anything your corporate masters throw at you, won't you? We killed game copy protection back in the 80s by not buying copy protected games, now listen to you dumbass punks. Shit.

    Games are Too Violent
    Well, GTA is too violent for a five year old. They're too violent for that Jackass Thompson. Me, I like violent games; the more violent the better. YMMV.

    I'm Embarrassed About Gaming
    It's a myth that the author, who I never heard of, is embarrassed by gaming? Or does he mean everybody is embarrassed by gaming? I'm sure some people are.

    Summary: nonsense designed to serve advertising to suckers. Nothing to see here, move along.

  35. The PS3 will NOT fail by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 1

    Seriously, if someone's prepared to pay over £200 for a ticket to see The Killers (more by the time the bid finishes), then they'll pay £600 for a PS3.

  36. PS3 won't fail. . . by AcidLacedPenguiN · · Score: 1

    . . . as long as Sony adopt's extremtech's click-through-one-sentence-ad-fest business model. Honestly, I think they should just put it all on one page and just have an ad every few lines instead of forcing me to click through like 12 pages.

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  37. you missed out on free karma by neonprimetime · · Score: 1

    You do realize you missed out on free karma, don't you? Next time don't post AC with vital /. information like this!!!!

  38. Snakes on a Plane by Junta · · Score: 1

    I never understood how the 'web hype' for Snakes on a Plane was ever expected to *help* the movie. Most of the 'web hype' was ridicule saying 'oh this movie is so campy, it makes me laugh'. You can tell from the marketing that the movie aimed to be somewhat serious, but the web hype and marketing all latched on to how campy it was. I think the people behind the movie were mistaken genuine ridicule for friendly jest, and called it web hype. Snakes on a Plane from all the 'web hype' I read was doomed to be a bad movie, and it lived up to what the web hype promised there.

    Similarly, looking at the PS3 I see a lot of overconfidence on the part of Sony. The argument about price discrimination calling for such a high launch price ignores the obvious psychological effect of a high launch price even among those who wouldn't have been able to get one at launch anyway. Just cause some elitists/fanboys will buy your system no matter what, doesn't mean you scare away the more practical/indifferent gamers to gouge the elitists/fanboys for all they can.

    The web discussions I think are more vital than people give it credit for. The target market for a 600 dollar console is clearly comprised of gaming enthusiasts, and most people like that are active participants in online discussions. The online discussions overwhelmingly are along the lines of 'at that price, no way'. From the time of launch to a significant price drop I predict PS3 will do poorly, and the question is if Sony recognizes it in time and their costs allow them to drop the price to prevent developer drop out. The effects of a weak launch may be difficult to overcome even if they do respond quickly, but it may be possible to pull it off.

    Nintendo up to N64 was considered the nearly uncontested leader in the market. Despite having huge momentum leading up to, the N64 didn't do that well in the face of the newcomer Sony, and Gamecube hasn't done much better, and N64 wasn't as clearly overconfident as the PS3 seems to be. Admittedly the limitations of cartridges versus optical media played as well as poor third party relationships on the part of Nintendo played a role there whereas Sony is much healthier in those regards even with the PS3. Other apt comparison's in the price range are Neo-Geo and 3DO, both of which had significant hype and a lot of people saying 'these systems will be great', but no uptake because of the cost.

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  39. Ermac in Mortal Kombat by dreemernj · · Score: 1

    He forgot about Ermac in MK. I think its about time to officially consider that debunked.

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  40. Re:Is this guy a psychic? or only right on 9 myths by Hentai · · Score: 1, Funny
    number two spot behind the Nintendo Wii.


    I'm never... caling it... that.
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  41. What is this supposed to mean? by Wilson_6500 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Although the user interface was tailored well for PC first person shooter fans, you could whip through Halo in about half the time it took many console players. The UI conversion may have been too good."

    So, instead of either:

    a) Taking advantage of the unique features of a PC to "enhance" a console-game experience with added content--and I DON'T mean just a multiplayer mode OR
    b) Porting fewer games and instead focusing on developing games that play off of the strengths of their systems

    ... we should instead cripple the PC ports by forcing them to "play at the same level" as the consoles? I don't think I understand what the author is trying to imply with that assertion. It's a fact: PCs have a more robust control scheme barring applications that benefit greatly from analog input (joystick games such as flight sims aside--I'm talking about "tilt stick to walk" applications). If your game is hard on consoles but easy on the PC, then you've likely developed a game that's hampered by a poor control layout or simply wasn't meant to be played on a gamepad.

    I'm no economics expert, but if a guy could find a way to emulate mouse control on a gamepad, he'd probably have his idea ripped off by Sony and make them a ton of money. Wiimote, I'm not looking at you because I'm unconvinced, based on what I've observed of your mode of operation, that you'll be any good for FPS.

  42. It's the SoaP effect all over again by tknaught · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "First thought I had too. I'm not sure how someone can see the backlash against the PS3 on the web, and not conclude that the PS3 is on shaky groud well before launch..."

    I suspect that the negative hype around the PS3 will be another manifestation of the Snakes on a Plane effect, in which a small core of dedicated fanatics voicing their opinion ad nauseum is misunderstood as a widespread grassroots movement. I suspect that the small group of hardcore "Wii60" fans will, like their SoaP brethren, turn out to be a mostly inconsequential factor in the overall performance of the PS3.

    The games-related discourse on the web is dominated by the voices of hardcore gamers and (to a greater extent in the case of hardware releases) system-specific fanboys. However, time and time again, these groups have been shown to be an imperfect reflection of the overall market. Take Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, for example. It was a critical darling and holds a hallowed place on many gamers lists of the all-time greatest games, yet it still sold terribly. Another good example is Madden. Each release meets with a flurry of "Roster Update: 200x" criticisms from the online community, yet the series is a top-seller in the US every year.

    The majority of gamers aren't keeping with the bad press on the PS3. What they do know is that the Playstation 1 and 2 were excellent systems. They're also likely to see the PS3's higher price as meaning that it really is leaps and bounds ahead of the 360. As much as you may hate to acknowledge Sony's arrogant statements that they don't need a killer app and that the PS3 will sell out on sheer brand recognition, they are probably correct. The real question on PS3's future is whether the manufacturing costs of Blu-Ray and Cell will drop at a fast enough pace that they can lower the price to a more mainstream-friendly level after the initial shipments have sold out. The real question of whether or not the PS3 can become a market success will be determined next holiday season, not this one.

  43. Where did these "myths" come from? by herbieNYC · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apart from the PS3 "myth", they all seem made up. I mean, who says console games are too simple? Who says PC games are doomed? Who says you need a $500 video card? Nobody I know. It's all just a bunch of waffle. Oh, and the PS3 is going to fail. Too expensive, and no way are the developers going to be releasing games as quickly as they will on the 360. Sony has focused too much on complicated hardware and left the developers out to dry.

  44. PC Copy Protection by Imagix · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Regarding their myth 8: PC Copy Protection They're wrong about TotalGaming.net. You need a valid login to install/update the games, but not to play the games. Also they try to draw the parallel that nobody complains about inserting the CD into a Playstation, but people complain about PCs. How about because I've already installed the program onto my harddrive. The only reason (in many, many cases) to insert the CD is to "verify" the license. Nobody would be complaining if the content actually resided on the CD (for reasons other than to simply require the CD to be present). I remember Civ II did this. If you had the CD in the drive, you got CD audio tracks for background music. No CD, no music. On a Playstation, you insert the CD because that's where your program is.

  45. Mustard not being cut here by rob1980 · · Score: 1

    Setting up a row of straw men and knocking them down with half-baked logic doesn't count as debunking myths.

    1. Re:Mustard not being cut here by Shadyman · · Score: 1

      The mustard may not be cut but the shark sure is jumped.

  46. PC games on the wane by Sheik+Yerbouti · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a long time PC gamer I am to the point where I hope PC games do become niche again. All though I seriously doubt that will actually happen. But when I started in this hobby in the early 80s it was the domain of the hardcore nerd. And as far as I am concerned let it go back to that. I don't need EA and the latest rev of Madden wouldn't play it anyway. Bring back the hardcore developers with their giant manuals and incredibly complex games. Bring back the hardcore players and get the n00bs off the servers. I say let them play Wii. But as long as there are nerds with computers there will be PC games.

  47. uh by godswill · · Score: 1

    How exactly did this useless drivel make it on slashdot? "The PS3 Will Fail. I've never owned a PS2 or played one, but I think it will make it!" Awesome.

  48. Riiight by Kenoli · · Score: 3, Insightful

    >> "I'm not much of a Sony fan, and never owned a Playstation 2. But I think the Playstation 3 will do just fine."

    Direct translation:
    >> "I am an idiot."

    Now go click on the sidebar ads, and the pop-ups, and flips through all the pages of that crap so he can get more hits.

  49. Re:Is this guy a psychic? or only right on 9 myths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm not sure someone going by the name Hentai has any ground to stand on there. You'd have been perfectly happy if it were called the Nintendo Tentacle Fuck.

  50. Re:True, the PS3 with less features... by trdrstv · · Score: 1
    "Look for Sony to sart hacking out a 3rd SKU with even less "features" if things get bad enough."

    'I'll take the one with a DVD9 drive' for $200 less.

  51. The PS3 will fail... by Omeger · · Score: 1

    Is most definately NOT a myth. ;-)

  52. Violent games are the rule, not the exception. by Runesabre · · Score: 1

    Non-violent games do exist such as Dance Dance Revolution, The Sims; but, these games are the exception not the norm. Violence in games is so pervasive that even seemingly non-violent games like Animal Crossing or Paper Mario include eliminates of warfare as their core gameplay.

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    1. Re:Violent games are the rule, not the exception. by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      Violence in games is so pervasive that even seemingly non-violent games like Animal Crossing ... include eliminates of warfare as their core gameplay.

      Animal Crossing? Remind me where the violence is there? I got attacked by bees once, and I've been bitten by mosquitoes, but that's about it. Unless you're an animal rights obsessive for whom the fishing constitutes torture of an innocent creature...

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  53. This just in! by Awod · · Score: 1

    Sony debunks rumors of PS3 failing.

  54. Re:Is this guy a psychic? PS2 PS3? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Even if you have people in there with 4 or 5 PS2s that is a metric butt load of households with PS2s.

    Wrong. My son just bought a PS2 on sale for $49. According to your logic, he will buy a PS3. He isn't interested in the PS3, he wants me to buy a Wii and is getting impatient waiting till they come out.

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  55. New Slashdot Rule by Kamineko · · Score: 1

    You're only allowed to make posts relating to articles whose content is spread over at least five HTML pages.

  56. debunk my ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He didn't debunk shit. He just said what he 'thinks' is true/going to happen.

    opinions opinions lol, etc.

  57. Uh-huh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This guy is clueless. He says copy protection that requires the disk in to play the game is fair because, "You have to put the disk in to play console games, too." Now, that argument makes perfect sense if you don't stop to think about the fact that console games come in nice, big DVD cases, whereas my copy of Oblivion came in a paper sleeve. If the developer can't be bothered to make their disc a little easier to find than the other billion wafer-thin objects in my office, then they shouldn't require the disc to play.

  58. Heh by nnn0 · · Score: 0

    Yeah lets show them. buy Wii everyone !!!!

  59. Profit! by Mitaphane · · Score: 1
    The problem with TFA's thinking, though, is that Sony is in a completely different position from Microsoft and Nintendo. Nintendo spent relatively little developing the Wii, they will probably sell the console at a small loss if any, and their existing console has almost no momentum at all. From this position, if Nintendo captures 30% of the market they will have achieved a massive success.


    No loss, profit (assuming around a $200 console cost). On top of that, it going to pretty cheap to develop a Wii game compared to the competion. Let's see, it's profitable for Nintendo and cheaper for both developers and gamers. Regardless of each companies position right now, I'd say Nintendo is sitting in a good position right about now.
  60. "The worst that will happen..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I'm not much of a Sony fan, and never owned a Playstation 2. But I think the Playstation 3 will do just fine. About the worst thing that could happen is the console launches late, and mostly in Japan, with a few tens-of-thousand units trickling into North America. Europe may not see them until well into 2007."

    It's already over a year late, genius.