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16GB Flash USB Dongle

Derek Dongle writes "This is great — Toshiba plans to bring out a limited edition 16GB USB dongle. What would you do with 16GB in your pocket? Who knows? As the writer of this story says, "It may be one of the occasional cases of: who cares? It's a 16GB USB drive that fits in your pocket and weighs 12 grams!" I'm not quite sure I want to call it a dongle. At 8x2 cm it's not the smallest thing to attach to a keychain. But at 16 GB you could keep a good bit of your life there, provided you aren't working in audio or video. I keep a 1GB stick on my keychain, which is enough for almost anything.

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  1. But... by vnangia · · Score: 4, Funny

    640K should be enough for anyone!

    1. Re:But... by tomstdenis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hey if it's enough for the NES, Gameboy, GBA, SNES, Gamegear, Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, Original PC, most pocket organizers, wrist watches, VCRs, automated robots, door locks, garage door openers, bank machines, your mother, optical mice, printers, monitors, FAX machines, VoIP phones and smart cards, it's good enough for me.

      You is not funny.

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    2. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      640k is enough for RAM, but not for USB-Dongles, DUH.

    3. Re:But... by C-Shalom · · Score: 2

      I would think that 64GB should be enough for anyone! But it's never enough.
      Talk about something you'd really hate to loose.

    4. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those of us who use vmware on a usb drive, this is convienient news.

    5. Re:But... by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know, you bring up a good point with this flash stick. Check out the numbers:

      Memory Size 64GB
      Write Speed 1 MB/s

      If these things are gonna be larger and larger, they're really gonna have to work on the speed. The stick you point out would need to be partitioned and used in an LVM-like fashion (add partitions as you need space), simply because formatting it would take almost 18 hours.

      Granted -- after initial formatting, you wouldn't need to write 64GB all at once to the stick, but even for "smaller" items (DVD-quality movies, large quantities of music, etc), you're still talking a little over an hour.

      Capacity is wonderful -- if it's actually practical to use.

    6. Re:But... by C-Shalom · · Score: 2, Informative
      I realized that after I posted it. However looking at other high capacity drives I'm noticing a similar trend of slow speeds.

      Although this one is one of the "better" ones I've come across.
      -Supports USB Specification 1.1/2.0
      -Full compliance with Universal Serial Bus Specification v2.0
      -USB 2.0 data transfer rate up to 480Mbps at "High Speed"
      -USB 2.0 is 40X faster than USB 1.1
      -Speed: Read 8M bit/sec, Write 6.4M bit/sec (Max)

      Such double speak in only a few lines, it's great.
    7. Re:But... by eharvill · · Score: 1
      But they already have amazing speeds -

      "The USB 2.0 Advantage USB 1.1 was great, but USB 2.0 transfers data dramatically faster - up to 40 times quicker. Plus, USB 2.0 provides additional bandwidth for multimedia and storage applications, which are growing larger every year. Also to your advantage is the fact that USB 2.0 is forward and backward compatible with USB 1.1, which means that cables and connectors made for the original USB configuration will also work perfectly in a USB 2.0 port."

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    8. Re:But... by awing0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You wouldn't need to write zeros to the whole thing to format it unless you wanted to check for bad blocks. However, every write will reduce its lifespan so I wouldn't waste it with zeros in the first place. Some operating systems call is a quick format, but I just omit the -c from mkfs.

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    9. Re:But... by legoburner · · Score: 1

      Indeed I run thunderbird from a memory stick but it is starting to take a while to process my mailboxes (around 4000 messages in each), and can be up to 10 seconds to load for the first time each day. Though I could always write a program to pre-cache I am lazy and will probably just get a better memory stick.

    10. Re:But... by malraid · · Score: 4, Funny

      My life fits in 50 punched cards

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    11. Re:But... by toleraen · · Score: 1

      Bit != Byte

      That drive is actually slower than the 64GB drive linked above. Or was that "better" sarcasm?

    12. Re:But... by toleraen · · Score: 1

      Indeed! Writing all 0s to the drive would reduce the drive's lifespan by 0.0002%, or even up to 0.001%! It's not like these things are made to be written to hundreds of thousands of times or anything.

    13. Re:But... by owlstead · · Score: 1

      True enough. But there is very little reason to full-format it anyway. Same for hard drives really, with the internal error handling and such. For older windows versions I always partition and format in advance using Knoppix or something similar.

    14. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Wow! You slipped "your mother" into that almost as smoothly and neatly as I slipped into your mother!

    15. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gee a full format doesnt write all zeroes to the whole drive either -- it only READS each block to check them...

    16. Re:But... by fm6 · · Score: 1

      That joke is getting really old!

    17. Re:But... by this+great+guy · · Score: 1
      simply because formatting it would take almost 18 hours.

      Wrong. For most recent Linux filesystems, the formatting step is actually very fast (notable exceptions are: ext2, ext3.) See XFS. Formatting a 100,000 MB partition requires writing only 50 MB of data.

    18. Re:But... by C-Shalom · · Score: 1

      It was sarcasm.

    19. Re:But... by aunaturelle · · Score: 1, Informative

      Speeds are definately a concern.

      I have found aida32 to be an excellent windows based software with which to test the speed of the drives.

      My current drives of 512Mb -> 2Gb all perform around 9Mb /sec max. 5mb /sec average which is quite acceptable.

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    20. Re:But... by jess142 · · Score: 1

      You could use VMplayer and be able to have your desktop anywhere you USB access. That would be pretty cool - not sure if it's worth $600-700 though.

  2. How about some more *durable* flash drives? by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Speaking of carrying the flash drive on your keychain, how about we see some more DURABALE flash drives for your keychain? So far, the only drive I've seen on the market recently that's worth its salt is the Lexar Jumpdrive Sport (with a strong rubber boot that fits snuggly around it and a strong metal body). But it only goes up to 1 GB.

    Let's face it, most "keychain" drives are flimsy affairs made of plastic, with tops that pop off easily--hardly the kind of thing you want to carry around every day in your pocket (especially if you're active). I wouldn't every want to drop these things, much less think of them going through the wash or getting banged around by my keys.

    How about we see some more durable drives in larger sizes? Hell, I'd be willing to pay a premium for something I could rely on to take a beating.

    -Eric

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    1. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I know at least one company (I believe Sandisk) that makes titanium drives. Those seem awfully durable, but I've never used them...

    2. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by rogabean · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How about we see some that are reliable in general?

      My 256MB Lexar thumb drive has worked great for the past year of heavy usgae, but my 2 Memorex 1GB both failed after 4 months of usage. I'm currently using a 4GB PNY Attache thumb drive. I will agree it's flimsy and I don't have much hope of it lasting either. Hell I have a 16MB Dell thumb drive that is still working great even after 3 years of heavy use! Yet the larger ones always seem to have a pretty unacceptable failure rate.

      I really can't see needing 16GB's of storage in my pocket when I'm having trouble finding usgae for the 4GB's I currently have. I'd like to see how reliable this 16GB drive is as well before I even think about it. It seems to me the larger the flash drive, the less reliable it is long term. I'm not sure why though, and YMMV.

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    3. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by kingkoopaunion · · Score: 5, Funny

      How about we see some more durable drives in larger sizes? Hell, I'd be willing to pay a premium for something I could rely on to take a beating.

      Well, In the back of most free city papers, you can find all sorts of ads for businesses which provide the services described...

    4. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by eht · · Score: 1

      The current ones are pretty durable, I recently thought I misplaced or lost the 1GB SanDisk Cruzer micro I have, as I was thinking about maybe getting a replacement my neighbor comes by and asks me if I had lost a flash drive, turns out it was mine and his kid had found it, one side of the rubber sleeve that is on it had turned completely clear from a flourescent pink color and there are a couple patches of what might be rust, so it had been sitting outside for a while for the sun to bleach it like that, thing is it still works perfectly fine.

    5. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Funny

      I want to murder the engineers who designed the flash drives that the strap attaches to the CAP. What were they thinking?

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    6. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by solafide · · Score: 1

      Then break the actual electronics from that flimsy case and build your own. 5 minutes work with a screwdriver and pliers does the job of breaking open that case; then you can either just carry the bare drives in your pocket (and show them off to everyone) or build some enclosure yourself. They're stronger than you imagine.

    7. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by AnonymousKev · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They were thinking people would rather have 2 pounds of keys attached to the cap on the desk, instead of working with gravity to pull the flash drive outta the USB port.

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    8. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Funny

      So I can lose the drive, but I get to keep the cap?

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    9. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Durable- I have one of the early 128MB models that came out- use it all the time- still works like a charm after going through the wash- and going swimming with me.

      (just make sure you let them dry before using them when they get wet)

      Not really enough space- but I've never got around to getting a more modern bigger one yet.

      Sure- the top comes off occasionally when I pull the drive out my pocket and it gets caught on a wocket. But despite my worry that after x-hundred uses the top wouldn't stay on- it does a fair job of staying where it is told. (unlike the wocket).

      Flash drives are pretty durable- if they can survive sharing a pocket with a wocket- they can survive anything.

    10. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by Coward+the+Anonymous · · Score: 1
      Let's face it, most "keychain" drives are flimsy affairs made of plastic, with tops that pop off easily--hardly the kind of thing you want to carry around every day in your pocket (especially if you're active). I wouldn't every want to drop these things, much less think of them going through the wash or getting banged around by my keys.


      I have a SanDisk 512MB stick that has been washed and dried no less than 3 times and it still works perfectly. I'm impressed actually.
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    11. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      I have. Cruzer Titanium. It was a big, bulky thing. Far too big. It also failed after about 1 month of usage; no way to get the data off of it, so I lost a few weeks' work (I know, I should've backed it up). However, it could still stay in one piece of you ran over it with a steamroller.

      Avoid these things like the plague.

    12. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by thedletterman · · Score: 0

      Actually larger drives will become more reliable simply for the wear averaging algorithims the drives use having more fresh space to wear across.

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    13. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by thx2001r · · Score: 1

      Our department just ordered usb thumbdrives for all of us from Newegg (Kingmax 1GB). These things are pretty nifty (size of a piece of Trident chewing gum... the whole thing is the usb connector). We wanted something ultra durable and something that would actually fit on a keychain (and no caps to lose) and we read reviews about how people ran these through washing machines so we gave them a try.

      They've been pretty good and durable so far (about a month) and were on the cheap (under $20 a piece) but they are so little some people have lost them (make sure to loop it onto your keychain with a proper metal loop, not the included crap) and, you can put it in the usb port upside down (it fits but doesn't mount) so sometimes you have to flip it over and plug it back in again. Sorry to sound like I'm selling one of these... I'm just excited to finally have a thumbdrive small enough to put on a keychain and not have it be bigger than any of my keys.

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    14. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by StarvingSE · · Score: 1

      The JumpDrive sport is great, I've been using it for years now. However, the rubber footy that is so great at holding it in place on your keychain is the same rubber piece that actually attaches to your keychain. Since the rubber isn't the strongest of materials, mine eventually cracked down the center, and it fell off of my keychain at some point and is now lost in oblivion.

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    15. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by DinZy · · Score: 1

      Those boots break easily. I got so used to having it on my keys, so once it broke I keep misplacing it.

      They need to make it out of metal, or atleast line the rubber with wire

    16. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by johneee · · Score: 1

      I have a Kingmax that has no cap, no metal shroud around the USB connector (which just means you have to remember which way is up) and no hollow body around it. It's pretty much just a solid piece of plastic, which means there's nothing really to compress and break. http://www.kingmaxdigi.com/product/superstick.htm

      I've stepped on it, washed it, and it lives on my keychain, so it's always been beat up all to heck, but it still works fine.

      Plus, it's kind of cute.

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    17. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by baynham · · Score: 1

      The SanDisk Cruzer Titanium is very durable. I have seen a video on cnet where it is run over by a mini and the data is not lost. It comes in 1 or 2GB models. I have found the 2gb for around $75.

    18. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by ATMD · · Score: 1

      Umm... what's a wocket?

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    19. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      They need to make the drive detachable from the keys with something a little tougher than a flimsy cap.

      Seriously, I think the guys who design these things should have to actually try USING them in the real world sometime. I've seen some designs that defy the limits of sheer design stupidity.

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    20. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by HaloZero · · Score: 1

      I had one go through the drier with the heat on 'high' and the casing fused to the drum. Now I'm left with nothing but the guts. Still works great, tho!

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    21. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by archen · · Score: 3, Funny

      Umm... what's a wocket?

      something elmer fudd uses to get to the moon?

    22. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      That only holds true of you're holding the same amount of data on both the larger and smaller drive. If you fill them up to the same percentage, you should notice no difference in lifetime.

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    23. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by JPribe · · Score: 1

      I actually did this...go to your nearest home improvement warehouse (Lowes, Home Depot) and get a can of the crap used to rubber coat tool handles and stuff....just dip it in and let it dry...works great.

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    24. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by AlecC · · Score: 1

      No - it depends upon how often you write to it. If you just fill it up incrementally with data, it will be very reliable. But if you put a diffeerent selection of movies on every weekend, you will eventually exceed the write cycles. And if you run an OS on ut, you will quickly exceed the write cycles.

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    25. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by LoganEkz · · Score: 1

      If you're looking for a durable drive, take a look at the SanDisk Cruzer Titanium line of drives.

      Retractable USB drive encased material "over two and a half times the strength of titanium alloy". Now I don't know about that, but I have the 512MB version (looks like they have up to 2GB now) for the past year and a half and it's rock solid and I love it.

    26. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by mankey+wanker · · Score: 1

      My experience is the exact opposite. I have had my Cruzer Titanium for over a year and it works like a charm. I keep it on my keychain so it's being minorly banged around all the time (esp against the dashboard of my car while driving) and making metal to metal contact with all my keys all the time. I've dropped it several times from standing height, a few times on rocky pavement and gravel, and it still looks identical to the way it looked the day I first unpacked it.

      It works perfectly and without so much as a scratch.

      I don't know what to say about all the negative reviews the product gets. Let's face it, it could be a campaign to discredit a perfectly good product as engineered by a competitor.

    27. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by aggiecoal · · Score: 1

      I have one of those *cheap* drives. I carry it in my pocket every day. The top falls off frequently, and it feels like it's about to fall apart. Been through the wash at least twice and the dryer at least once, but it still works every time. I'm not saying I would store anything important or long-term on it, but for moving stuff around and keeping a few things that I need on occasion (but can get back if lost) it's great.

      Just my 2¢

    28. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by Jtheletter · · Score: 1

      As another poster pointed out earlier, take a look at the Lexar Jumpdrive Sport for a keychain solution that works. I'm not going to debate the drive itself (but I own 3 plus the mp3 player that uses them). But the rubber cap + wraparound band that fits in a recessed slot around the perimeter of the drive does an excellent job of keeping the whole thing attached and well protected. And when it comes time to plug it in the rubber cap/band stays on the keyring and the drive is free to be plugged in. Also, if you have a drive that attaches to a keyring from the base rather than the cap, why not just add a quick-disconnect clasp or barrel-clasp instead of putting it directly on the ring?

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    29. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Thats why i like my watch. Has a built in 512MB drive and is on my wrist so I don't have to worry about all the problems of a "keychain" drive. Won't get banged up in my pocket, won't drop it will taking something out of my pocket.

      Largest one i have seen though is a 2GB one.

    30. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by just_another_sean · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seems like a case of "they don't make them like they used to" to me. The smaller ones you mention, I'm guessing, are early generation models where the company put some thought into the design.

      As the price of flash goes down and competition increases the margins on selling these things get razor thin and suddenly everyone's out to reduce their cost by making cheaper, inferior housing for them and probably making sacrifices on the actual flash itself.

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    31. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by phorm · · Score: 1

      On mine (Sandisk Cruzer Mini) the strap loops into the drive itself, and has a clip which you can pop to free it without taking the strap off.

      Of course, the problem I've had is that the little plastic clip on the USB drive itself is pretty flimsy, and the last one I used broke.

    32. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by D4MO · · Score: 1

      And you keep your keys.

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    33. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by matts-reign · · Score: 1

      Just recently I picked up a corsair flash voyager. Its 2gb, with a 4gb available too I think. I also own a jump drive sport, and I can say that the rubber piece is not worth it. It gets streched every time you take the thumbdrive out, and after about 2 months it no longer holds the drive at all. the corsair has the rubberized body that is very durable, but the cap on the end tends to fall off. I attached it with a piece of wire, which solved that problem.

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    34. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by bendodge · · Score: 1

      I was thinking just the same thing yesterday. I bought a flash drive a few years ago, but I am loathed to upgrade from 256 MB because my old one is built like a tank. It is an old Cruzer Micro, and is steel (or aluminum; can't tell which) with a very thick (~5mm) coat of clear rubber that is VERY tough. It is a thin rectangle with no funky curves, and the lanyard hole is a hole at the rear of the body, still made of "3D metal" (not a flat stamp) and coated with rubber. And the light is bright enough to use for a flashlight, no wimpy glow here. Flash drives are going the way of PCs; they are cutting corners with quality. Recently there was the stir over that impact resistant drive you could drive a car over. So? That's how they used to be made.

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    35. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by kabocox · · Score: 1

      Speaking of carrying the flash drive on your keychain, how about we see some more DURABALE flash drives for your keychain?

      I have a Dell USB key chain 256 MB and a Lexar Jump USB Key Drive 512 MB. They've both been dropped, washed, and dryed repeatedly. I have a 250 GB external HD that I use for mass storage and moving things from my work computer to my home computer. I can tell you I wouldn't want to run any HD through a washer and then a dryer. I would really like .5 TB or so USB flash drives for $50-$100 too. ;) We could buy 5 of them and that should solve most home users backup problems.

    36. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      I also own a jump drive sport, and I can say that the rubber piece is not worth it. It gets streched every time you take the thumbdrive out, and after about 2 months it no longer holds the drive at all.

      I've heard people say that, but I had a 128 MB model for over 2 years and the boot never stretched for me. I would still be using it if I hadn't outgrown its storage capacity. Lexar does at least offer a 1 GB model, but I was hoping for 2 or 4 GB. I think it would be damn near the perfect flash drive if it came in larger capacities. It's metal, tough as Hell (put my old one through the wash more than once), easily detaches from the keychain, has no mechanical parts to break (unlike the Titanium), and is water resistant. I never once had a problem with it in 2 years.

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    37. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by Nyph2 · · Score: 1

      I agree durability is key(no pun intended). Thats why I ended up purchasing a 2 gig ATP toughdrive. http://flash.atpinc.com/products/view.php?product_ id=1178 (256 meg-4 gig drives) The lexar jumpdrive sport you mentioned is now selling 2 gig versions. http://store.lexar.com/?category=23&subcategory=19 &productid=JDSP2GB-231 Both have a bit of a premium on them, I got my ATP toughdrive for 65 after shipping, it looks like the lexar jumpdrive's $71 for a 2 gig. Compare these to around 35-40 with shipping for a cheap 2 gig USB keychain. (all of these prices were similar when I purchased & are current for dealtime's listings ATM) I'm not sure who if anyone is actually selling the 4 gig modles of the ATP drive atm. The price searchign sites I use dont have a listing for the name or modle #, and a google of the modle # only turned up the manufacturer site.

    38. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by Nyph2 · · Score: 1

      I agree durability is key(no pun intended).
      Thats why I ended up purchasing a 2 gig ATP toughdrive.
      http://flash.atpinc.com/products/view.php?product_ id=1178 (256 meg-4 gig drives)

      The lexar jumpdrive sport you mentioned is now selling 2 gig versions.
      http://store.lexar.com/?category=23&subcategory=19 &productid=JDSP2GB-231

      Both have a bit of a premium on them, I got my ATP toughdrive for 65 after shipping, it looks like the lexar jumpdrive's $71 for a 2 gig. Compare these to around 35-40 with shipping for a cheap 2 gig USB keychain. (all of these prices were similar when I purchased & are current for dealtime's listings ATM)

      I'm not sure who if anyone is actually selling the 4 gig modles of the ATP drive atm. The price searchign sites I use dont have a listing for the name or modle #, and a google of the modle # only turned up the manufacturer site.

    39. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by calethix · · Score: 1

      The parent post isn't funny. That happens to me all the time with my Memorex Travel drive. I pull my keys out of my pocket and see the cap hanging there all by itself. Luckily, I've only 'lost' it in my pocket or in my car. I'd much rather have it attach to the base and hook that to my keychain with a more reliable quick release.

    40. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by geekboy642 · · Score: 1

      Oh please.

      I've been run over by a mini and came through it just fine.

      Try running one over with a real car.

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    41. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeh... like put a cap in der ass...

      (David Syes, Posting anonymously from work)

    42. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by Robot+Randy · · Score: 0

      My thumb drive has the lanyard attached to the drive instead of the cap and I can remove it with the clip that is between the two.

      Best of both worlds! (And if the cap comes loose I only lose the cap...)

      Randy

    43. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by daniel422 · · Score: 1

      Hmm. In my experience (and I'm crazy enough to have tried to fix one of mine that died after a few months of useage like yours) it's the crystal that goes bad -- usually by moisture leakage. Mine made a travel through the washer once and would boot sporadicaly after that, despite my attempts to clean the board. Replacing the 12MHz crystal did the trick. The cans they put those things in aren't necessarily moisture sealed. Unless you're reading/writing continuously to these things you're unlikely to use up the read/write cycles in any year soon. Most other causes of failure will be shorts via some other contaminant on the board -- which can be cleaned like any other pcb. It was a 1GB Tiny drive. Still had all my data, too.
      Frankly, flash drives SHOULD be about the most reliable media out there. Unfortunately, few of them are designed with this in mind. How about simply sealing the damn things...that'd take care of most issues except read/write cycle overuse and contaminates on the USB pins (and you could put a wiper on the pins for that...).

    44. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by Snaller · · Score: 1

      What's a cap?

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  3. Losing your keys... by Langfat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just think how frustrated you get when you lose your keys at the moment...now imagine 16gb going missing with them!

    1. Re:Losing your keys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just make sure you encrypt the contents!

      I've found Truecrypt to fit the bill nicely. :)
      http://www.truecrypt.org/

    2. Re:Losing your keys... by elzurawka · · Score: 1

      Encryption is your friend!
      If you're going to be carying around anything important or sensitive on a flash drive, you'd best encrypt it. It may be conviniant to have all your files with you, but if someone gets that stick, your SOL. Anything is better then nothing.
      Sure it may slow down you getting your files, and you dont have to encrypt the whole drive, but anything important should not be viewable. And always have a backup somewhere other then your drive.

      Possibly make it so that if the password or decryption fails X times, the drive clears itself. Thus preventing stolen data. Unless they just copy the files and then crack em, either way, it cant hurt

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    3. Re:Losing your keys... by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Just think how frustrated you get when you lose your keys

      My keychain is a birthday gift from 1989: I don't know what you're talking about.

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      You can't take the sky from me...

    4. Re:Losing your keys... by theneb · · Score: 0

      "Just think how frustrated you get when you lose your keys at the moment...now imagine 16gb going missing with them!" "...now imagine 16gb of your p0rn, warez, and naked pics of your gf which you took when she was sleeping, gone missing with them"....just to be found by your mom...

    5. Re:Losing your keys... by emjoi_gently · · Score: 1

      I find the reverse. When the flashdrive is attached to my keys, I don't forget to detatch it from the PC and take it home at night.

    6. Re:Losing your keys... by k31bang · · Score: 1

      Just add one of those devices that beep when you whistle to your key chain.

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  4. Pardon me by with_him · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is that a Flash Drive in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me.

    1. Re:Pardon me by mancunian_nick · · Score: 4, Funny
      Aww you beat me to it ... obviously great minds think alike. :)

      Then again, I can just imagine it now ... My dongle's bigger than your dongle!! :)

    2. Re:Pardon me by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

      If an 8cm dongle in your pocket can be mis-identified as arousal, something is terribly wrong with either you or the woman making the comment.

      No offense to anyone with a true microdongle, of course.

    3. Re:Pardon me by Klaidas · · Score: 2, Funny

      Soo, you have a 8cm long friend which can be confused with a USB flash drive?

    4. Re:Pardon me by jawtheshark · · Score: 3, Funny

      Q: Why are women bad at parking cars?

      A: Because men keep telling them that this <----------------------> is 8 inches!

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    5. Re:Pardon me by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Be reasonable. This is /. When was the last time anyone here had a woman ask something like that?

    6. Re:Pardon me by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
      > Q: Why are women bad at parking cars?
      > A: Because men keep telling them that this <----------------------> is 8 inches!

      I don't get the joke. I read /. on a 200" room projector, you insensitive clod!

      (...because I tried watching pr0n on it once, and I'm still having nightmares about shoggoths!)

    7. Re:Pardon me by LAN+Lubber · · Score: 1

      At 8x2 cm, if it's not a Flash Drive, there's not much chance of the owner being happy.

    8. Re:Pardon me by houghi · · Score: 1
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  5. Unless it is affordable... by revlayle · · Score: 1

    ...like maybe $150 at the MOST - i'll stick with buying the small external USB harddrives. Ok so the hard drives are bigger, but they still fit in most of my pockets *and* I get 80 gig.... for easily less than $100.

    1. Re:Unless it is affordable... by mgblst · · Score: 4, Informative

      It will be at least $400 I would say, since they mention at 64gig drive for $1600 in the article. It will possibly be more, since it is smaller and a "limited edition".

      Not sure why it is "limited edition", since surely we are just going to see bigger and bigger USB drives, as we have in the past.

    2. Re:Unless it is affordable... by BunnyClaws · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ...like maybe $150 at the MOST - i'll stick with buying the small external USB harddrives. Ok so the hard drives are bigger, but they still fit in most of my pockets *and* I get 80 gig.... for easily less than $100.


      I agree why would I want to buy something that only stores 16 gigs for over a $150? Besides what would I store on it, Music? No, I can store more than 16 gigs on my MP3 player. If I need a big portable storage for data I will spend the money on an external USB drive. The 16 gigs is to much for a flash drive right now. It won't be cheap and your better off going with an external USB drive.

      It seems to be overkill for anything I normally would use a flash drive for and to small to carry music on. It's an odd duck.
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      "Anything tastes good if you deep fry it."
    3. Re:Unless it is affordable... by danpsmith · · Score: 1

      $400? For an extra one hundred you can get a 100gb PVR I understand flash memory is more expensive than a real hard drive, but it's not like hard drives are incredibly huge or unreliable in most cases, that cool factor surely diminishes when you are paying a bunch of extra money just to have it on your keychain versus putting it in your pocket.

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  6. A Full System Install by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This would be perfect for all those times when I've had to repair a computer and the OS has been completely fubared but I still need to try to repair or save settings and files.

    1. Re:A Full System Install by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't a 1GB drive do the job for that? Damn Small Linux on it (50MB) and you've got plenty to save stuff. Of course, if you want to save the 50GB photo archive that is on the fubarred computer, it's going to be hard to save on even a 16GB thumbdrive. That's why you need an external USB harddisk or a network connection to "save" all those files.

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    2. Re:A Full System Install by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We use the PNY 4GB's at work to contain a Ghost image for our standard workstation image, XPSP2 + Hotfixes + Office 2k3 + More Hotfixes + Standard Apps = almost 2GB exactly, then we have the other post-install files hanging around w/ room to spare.

      Right now we are using BartPE (XPE) to boot XPSP2 and run Ghost, I'm looking at putting Bart on the USB drive too, if possible.

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    3. Re:A Full System Install by MarkGriz · · Score: 1

      "Wouldn't a 1GB drive do the job for that? Damn Small Linux on it (50MB) and you've got plenty to save stuff."

      Perhaps he needs a 16GB flash drive for a fubared Vista install.

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      Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.
  7. I'd be praying... by dohzer · · Score: 1

    ...that it doesn't decide to randomly erase like my 128MB one did. That would be 128 times the pain!

  8. 16 GB - in your pocket?! by QuantumFTL · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Why this is simply ridiculous! 640k should be good enough for any pocket!

  9. Perfect for Ninnle! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ninnle Linux will be able to do wonders with this!

  10. Re:More bad editing by truthsearch · · Score: 1

    Pretty bad editing.

    Actually it's pretty bad commenting. 60GB IPods contain hard disks, not flash. And an ipod isn't nearly as small as USB storage you can hang on your keychain.

  11. Too long by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What would you do with 16GB in your pocket?

    Probably sit on it and break it. 8 cm long? Not short enough to prevent bending it should I sit on something that could act as a lever... like the edge of a subway seat.
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    1. Re:Too long by fdiskne1 · · Score: 1

      I just pulled out my USB flash drive and my ruler. My current, standard-sized flash drive is 7cm X 2cm X 1cm. One extra cm, 14% longer, doesn't seem that big. Or did I miss something?

      --
      But why is the rum gone?
    2. Re:Too long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever stopped to think that you're flashdrive isn't like everyone else's flashdrive and that may have a smaller unit that they're comfortable with? My one flashdrive is only 4cm long... does that mean everyone else has a 4cm long flashdrive?
       
      I can not believe what either has to be arrogancy or stupidity on your part. It's pretty pathetic. Why do so many slashdotters think that people live just like they do? Moron.

    3. Re:Too long by Red+Flayer · · Score: 0, Redundant
      My one flashdrive is only 4cm long...
      I wouldn't go around announcing that in public, especially where there may be ladies.

      Oh wait... nevermind :)
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      "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
    4. Re:Too long by fdiskne1 · · Score: 1

      I don't ordinarily reply to Anonymous Cowards with attitude problems but here goes:

      Let's repost my reply:

      I just pulled out my USB flash drive and my ruler. My current, standard-sized flash drive is 7cm X 2cm X 1cm. One extra cm, 14% longer, doesn't seem that big. Or did I miss something?

      You notice one little question at the end there? The one that said "Or did I miss something?" If you had one single ounce of social ability, you could say, "You missed the fact that not everyone has that size USB drive. Some people have USB drives that are half that size." Instead you fly off calling me pathetic and a moron.

      Pot, meet Kettle.

      --
      But why is the rum gone?
    5. Re:Too long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pot, meet Kettle.
       
      Hardly. I'm not as arrogant to think that since one solution works in my case it must work for all. Or did I miss something?
       
      Moron. :)

    6. Re:Too long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like someone has flash drive envy.

    7. Re:Too long by Monkey · · Score: 1

      I also thought the length of this thing was impractical. They should have made it a few centimeters longer so it could double as a police baton for self defense.

  12. If you keep your life on it by ThatDamnMurphyGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Please, for the children, use TrueCrypt.

    1. Re:If you keep your life on it by hacker · · Score: 1

      I would recommend that to my Windows friends and colleagues, but it DOES NOT install on Windows XP with the latest updates and service packs.

      Version 4.0, 4.1, 4.2 and 4.2a all balk with the same problem: "Installation of C:\Program Files\TrueCrypt\TrueCrypt.exe has failed. The system cannot find the path specified."

      It created the path, but now refuses to install files into it. All of the versions available from the TrueCrypt website fail with this same error (and yes, I am an Administrator with local Administrator rights).

    2. Re:If you keep your life on it by Alistar · · Score: 1

      I would suggest that something might be wrong with your Windows then.
      I have 4.2 installed on my Windows XP notebook and it is fully updated.
      Now it is Windows Media Centre 2003 I believe, maybe that has something to do with it.
      However I also have it here at work Windows XP professional completely updated (well except the WGA).

    3. Re:If you keep your life on it by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      You install it? I just use the executables. No reason to install it. You can still do everything from the raw executables that you can from the installed version.

    4. Re:If you keep your life on it by hacker · · Score: 1

      You can't get to the executables without unpacking them from the installer... unless you have some un-InstallShield tool that I'm not aware of.

    5. Re:If you keep your life on it by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      I got my copy of TrueCrypt in a .zip file, and the .zip file had a folder called "Setup Files", and that folder had all the executables. Can you not handle .zip files?

  13. Do you even own one? by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Informative

    This comment sounds like someone who always talks about "how durable" these drives are withotu actually owning one.

    I have has my 512 MB thumb drive go through the wash no less than 3 times. I have had it dropped, stepped on countless times. Never once have I lost data and it still wokrs fine to this day.

    Flash drives **are durable**, much more so than any DVDR or CDR are. Lexar even makes a hardened case version that can be run over with a car.

    1. Re:Do you even own one? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Funny

      My 1GB drive has been through the washer-dryer three times and still appears to work fine. The wash cycle covers it in water, and the dryer then gives it a healthy dose of static electricity.

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    2. Re:Do you even own one? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You already have a post above yours from someone that has owned several and generally had problems.

      I would expect it to be a lot more durable than a DVD or CD - these things cost a lot more! A DVD blank is under $1. There are 16GB thumb drives but they cost $750. I think the 4GB drives are around $100, which is about 100x the cost per GB. I expect the more expensive device to be a lot more durable.

      The usage is a lot different too, not too many people tried carrying optical discs in their pockets, but that fits the thumb drive.

    3. Re:Do you even own one? by xRizen · · Score: 1

      This comment sounds like someone who's very, very lucky.

      I have personally lost three of these drives, without anything like going through the wash. They sit in my pocket through most of the day. At some point, they just stop working. Three different manufacturers, even.

    4. Re:Do you even own one? by Rhipf · · Score: 1

      Not to sound snarky (is that even a word) but it could they aren't lucky but that you are unlucky. As with anything that is mass produced there will be a percentage that lasts forever and a percentage that dies right away. I have been unfortunate to have a USB drive die on me but I have also had my current drive (Lexar Jumpdrive Sport) hanging on my key chain for more than a year now. Are USB drive indestructable? No. Can they become corrupted and stop working? Yes. As I said earlier this holds true for most manufactured items.

    5. Re:Do you even own one? by a1englishman · · Score: 1
      Lexar even makes a hardened case version that can be run over with a car.

      They all can be run over by a car, it's whether they survive, that's the point. If it couldn't be run over by a car, I wouldn't expect it to fit in your pocket, either.

  14. Re:More bad editing by muftak · · Score: 1
    According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dongle/ :-
    Dongle can also refer to something that plugs into a computer, especially something with wires that "hang" (dangle, or perhaps a more suggestive origin) from a laptop computer. For example:

    Other USB devices, primarily flash memory "drives", used only for data storage (as opposed to USB Hardware Token Devices).
    So it must be true...

  15. Repository by Xlylith · · Score: 1
    What would you do with 16GB in your pocket?

    In my case: Ubuntu or Debian partial repository.
    A 250GB USB-External-Harddrive is not as that portable.
  16. static electricity, magnetic fields? by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Are these things durable? That is, do stray static charges or magnetic fields clobber them at all?

  17. Re:More bad editing by mgblst · · Score: 1

    Moving on, a 60GB drive is hardly remarkable, with iPods around everywhere that can carry 60GB. They must mean a 60GB USB flash drive. Pretty bad editing.
     
    What are you talking about. They are releasing a 16GB drive, not a 60gb drive. They mentioned a 64GB drive in the article, but no one is talking about a 60GB drive except you.

  18. What to do with it? by in2mind · · Score: 5, Funny
    What would you do with 16GB in your pocket?

    Windows Vista Service Pack 1 !

    1. Re:What to do with it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      oh come on use the real things.

      Copies of xpkeygen.exe, antiwpa.exe, and other important tools to eliminate the crap that MSFT tries to shovel at you.

    2. Re:What to do with it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmmmmm, Vista SP1? Vista is +/- 4GB with holes bigger than the ozone...will 16GB patch it?

    3. Re:What to do with it? by Natales · · Score: 1

      Actually, I have an 8 GB microdrive-based USB disk, and I carry a VMware Virtual Machine, encrypted with Truecrypt and a copy of the free VMware Player for Windows and for Linux plus the truecrypt utilities. I can litteraly carry everything I need to work right in my pocket.

  19. Re:More bad editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From Wikipedia....

    Dongle can also refer to something that plugs into a computer, especially something with wires that "hang" (dangle, or perhaps a more suggestive origin) from a laptop computer. For example:

    A jack wired to a small edge connector on a Type I or II PCMCIA card, typically an RJ45 or RJ11 jack for an Ethernet or telephone cable. This type of dongle has no copy prevention purpose. PCMCIA card dongles are notoriously fragile and unreliable. They are falling out of favour as more laptops include built-in Ethernet and modem sockets.
    USB adapters, such as for memory cards.
    Other USB devices, primarily flash memory "drives", used only for data storage (as opposed to USB Hardware Token Devices).
    The word has also been applied to Bluetooth and Wi-Fi antennas.

  20. Re:More bad editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No not bad editing. Bad troll. This thing is much smaller than iPod. If I'd use your stupid logic, I could say that they must mean 200GB because I can grab a LTO2 tape and carry with me.

  21. There's never enough storage ... by bestinshow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "But at 16gb you could keep a good bit of your life there, provided you aren't working in audio or video. I keep a 1GB stick on my keychain which is enough for almost anything."

    Two years ago it would have been:

    But at 1GB you could keep a good bit of your life there, provided you aren't working in audio or video. I keep a 64MB stick on my keychain which is enough for almost anything.

    Four years ago it would have been:

    But at 64MB you could keep a good bit of your life there, provided you aren't working in audio or video. The convenience would make this a useful investment and allow us to throw the good old floppy away for good.

    In 2010 it'll be:

    But at 512GB you could keep a good bit of your life there. I keep a 32GB stick on my keychain which is enough for almost anything.

    1. Re:There's never enough storage ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In 2100: "But at 2.4 * 10^14 TB, you could keep a good bit of your life there, provided you aren't working in...WTF are we talking about? No one needs 2.4 * 10^14 TB!"

    2. Re:There's never enough storage ... by Filik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually I think we could scratch "audio" now that we are at 16Gb. You _can_ keep a good bit of your audio life within 16Gb. 4000 mp3's or 400 recordings/podcasts.

    3. Re:There's never enough storage ... by grumbel · · Score: 1
      But at 512GB you could keep a good bit of your life there. I keep a 32GB stick on my keychain which is enough for almost anything.

      And somewhen in 2030 you might end up having 1 Petabyte, which then should finally be enough to actually store your whole life, not just a bit of it, but everything you ever heard or have seen in good video and audio quality. That might end up being enough for everybody.

    4. Re:There's never enough storage ... by rahrens · · Score: 1

      and in Dec, 2099:

      "2.4 * 10^13 TB should be enough for anyone!"

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  22. Re:More bad editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    A dongle is a way of keeping software licenses tied to physical hardware, this isn't a dongle.

    As noted at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dongle, while this *was* true, the meaning has evolved - I fought against calling PCMCIA card cables 'dongles' using your assertion above, but couldn't fight progress on this one.

  23. Juicy Taco! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "I keep a 1GB stick on my keychain which is enough for almost anything."

    ...especially the ssh keys used to access your anime tentacle rape porn server, ooops I meant your Jubei games box. Silly me.

  24. Booting and security ... by Gopal.V · · Score: 2, Interesting
    From the TFA:

    > Vista will be able to boot off flash drives and, just possibly, U3 flash drives will turn PCs into thin clients.

    I predict a return of the boot virus and you won't even know you're carrying it to every box, just because the last one didn't boot right. And btw, Vista can also walk your dog, make breakfast and do your homework - just like it used to be able to do WinFS and so many other wonderful things which later got pulled.

    Once as an experiment, I turned on BOOTP on my linux server in office and loaded up a 14 Mb initrd into the tftpd, during the weekend. To my surprise, on monday half the office machines were booting into a linux command line and all the administrators were tearing their hair out.

    Secondly, most offices I know are starting to disable their USB connectors and some of the better ones are disabling the USB data pins (ipods still charge, but no copying). 16 Gb is a lot of data that can be pulled out of a place, especially with something which is magnet free (most of these places have scanners for magnetic media).

    But it is a limited edition drive right now ... till people actually work out the possibilities, once it starts getting popular.
    1. Re:Booting and security ... by jonwil · · Score: 2, Informative

      The problem with disabling USB is that more and more machines (especially from the big OEMs) use USB for both keyboard and mouse (my home machine uses USB for mouse and PS2 for keyboard). So you cant completly disable USB.

  25. Yeah but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I keep wondering who these silly people are who piss on the parade, every time. I expect a healthy chunk of Slashdotters to say "so what!" The submitter is, at best, completely unexcited. I mean, even the author has the "I don't know what it's good for but yeeehaw."

    16GB on a USB dongle/keychain is great! Finally, I can slap a few different movie choices, compressed, and a mess load of mp3s when I head over to visit friends for an evening or family for an afternoon, all without needing a notebook or similar device to hold it. It'd be great to show up for a night of fun and be able to have 10 different comedies movies on your keychain, so your buddies can have a little selection. How about showing up to your sisters house with a dozen Disney/Pixar flicks for the kids to watch... all without scratching a DVD? And, yes, it further pushes into the peripheral (no pun) territory of the iPod's benefits as multipurpose portable storage.

    I hope more people release similar sized usb dongles. And large ones. It all helps drive down the price.

    1. Re:Yeah but... by Andrewkov · · Score: 4, Funny

      So you're saying large USB dongles promote piracy?

    2. Re:Yeah but... by jank1887 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Please wait by the phone, the RIAA/MPAA lawyers will be calling shortly.

    3. Re:Yeah but... by VolciMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful
      So you're saying large USB dongles promote piracy?

      No more than do external hard drives, or any other portable media.

      The potential of bad uses shouldn't preclude any good uses.

    4. Re:Yeah but... by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 2

      I keep wondering who these silly people are who piss on the parade, every time.

      like with every gadget, it's great for some people and just not enough for other people. Like when the 40GB iPods came out, people were bitching that it wasn't 100GB and half the size.

      now, I think the best use for this device for be for the handheld console hacker community. It'd be pretty sweet to access this via your PSP or DS and get access to some serious content (movies, games, ROMs, etc). 16GB in such a small space (especially compared to carrying a plethora of UMDs, and it's TINY compared to a PSP) in a single device is a great thing for PSP owners.

      could also be a nice compliment for other handheld devices.

      speaking of which, when are devices (namely PDAs and cell phones) going to have a USB port for supplemental storage?! I mean, to be able to add 16GB of music to your cell phone or your Palm by snapping something in like that would be great. Sure, they've got memory stick ports, but those aren't quite as universal as USB drives. you could even attach a 500GB USB harddrive to it.

      and for those of you who'd complain about a 8cm bar poking out at a 90 degree angle from yer cell, I'm sure someone could make an adapter to make the USB device go parallel to the cell/pda/etc.

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    5. Re:Yeah but... by PhilipMckrack · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not if you own 10 or so disney/pixar movies and you have put them on the dongle to save space/wear and tear on the disks.

    6. Re:Yeah but... by Luxifer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My boss just looked over my shoulder and said 16 gig! that's two movies!! How much are they?

      It's like giving BB guns to kids.. you know they're gonna get themselves in trouble.

    7. Re:Yeah but... by SueAnnSueAnn · · Score: 1

      Perhaps we are on the cusp of replacing those noisy power hungry hard drives with solid-state mass storage. Maybe that 1 Terabyte Drive replacement for under $500.00 is just around the corner. (5-10 years)

    8. Re:Yeah but... by AnyoneEB · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your boss needs to learn about DivX/XviD. 16GB is more like 23 movies. (Assuming 700MB/movie.)

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    9. Re:Yeah but... by Slovenian6474 · · Score: 1

      "How about showing up to your sisters house with a dozen Disney/Pixar flicks for the kids to watch... all without scratching a DVD?"

      So your sister's dvd player supports 16GB flash drives? I think that statement is only valid for people who's sisters have a MCE computer or 360.

    10. Re:Yeah but... by legoburner · · Score: 1

      Samsung have a SSD HDD now, and I think it is available in some parts of the world (though not seen it myself yet so who knows).

    11. Re:Yeah but... by winnabago · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is if you are in the US. Ever hear of the DMCA?

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    12. Re:Yeah but... by Amouth · · Score: 1

      i have hard drives with less space running every day.. until it can beat a scsi dive.. i don't plan on switching

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    13. Re:Yeah but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My sisters kids will sit infront of the computer and watch a movie if its finding nemo or something along that sorts.

    14. Re:Yeah but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and a DL-DVD is roughly eight GB so obviously he's a fan of quality.

    15. Re:Yeah but... by SueAnnSueAnn · · Score: 1

                Can't say I blame you, speed reliability, scalability are good reasons to keep SCSI.
                I have a small box made from cast offs that records TS shows for me (Can't miss the ER reruns) 16 Gigs will get me 31 episodes of ER Maybe I should consider picking up one of these and a 4 gig one for OS and what few apps are running on that box. The one thing that bothers me about flash memory..
                When I worked for a local Motorola Service Station Motorola makes extensive use of flash memory for storing the personality of a 2-way radio. We had what I felt was an unacceptable number of failures of the flash memory chip.
                Does anybody know what the life expectancy of these flash memory devices are? I have one that I use on an every day basis. I keep it backed up as I don't know how reliable this device is.

    16. Re:Yeah but... by Amouth · · Score: 1

      flash memory has a limited number of writes and unlimited reads.. most flash memory has it's own way of moving the writes around so that you ware it out evenly

      but the chance that you will hit that is low.. personaly i find that usb flash drives die due to the usb controler cip on the drive and not the flash memory..

      things are jsut being built so cheap these days

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      '...if only "Jumping to a Conclusion" was an event in the Olympics.'
    17. Re:Yeah but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "My boss just looked over my shoulder and said 16 gig! that's two movies!! How much are they?"

      Reading slashdot at work... Uh-oh, you don't work at RadioShack, do you?

    18. Re:Yeah but... by owlstead · · Score: 1

      Oh, I've heard of it...

    19. Re:Yeah but... by SueAnnSueAnn · · Score: 1

      From what I remember how these things work (please correct me if I am wrong)
      The data are stored in tiny capacitors because this is a silicon device glass is used as in insulator (Silox it what we use to call it) if this glass has impurities in it in the form of ions of sodium, potassium or any other contaminates they can migrate and cause the capacitor to short out. I know that the failure rate is rather low but I still feel a little shaky about storing data on one of these things without a backup.

      Things are built cheap...
      They always have been I can remember the days when vacuum tubs were king and the cheap way of binding things was to use printed circuit board made from a paper composite. Needless to say, the stuff was problematic.

          The new cheap takes on many forms.

    20. Re:Yeah but... by JoloK · · Score: 0

      It's called compression, brainiac.

      --
      JoloK
    21. Re:Yeah but... by deathy_epl+ccs · · Score: 1
      It's like giving BB guns to kids.. you know they're gonna get themselves in trouble.

      I believe the phrase you were looking for is "they'll shoot their eyes out!"

    22. Re:Yeah but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a Philips DVD player with a USB port. Where've you been?

    23. Re:Yeah but... by charlesnw · · Score: 1

      It's called a joke! There are way to many hard core nerds here who have no sense of humor.

      --
      Charles Wyble System Engineer
    24. Re:Yeah but... by Luxifer · · Score: 1

      That was sort-of my point. When even the luddites can get movies on their keys, the MPAA is doomed.

      Notice: I'm not saying that movies are doomed, just the association that tries to stick them in the past.

    25. Re:Yeah but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So you're saying large USB dongles promote piracy?


      I'd say instead that they promote buying more content to fill them because they are so handy to use.
    26. Re:Yeah but... by strikethree · · Score: 1

      I have found that compressing a feature length movie to anything less than 1.5 gigabytes results in very noticable video compression artifacts. I keep the audio as AC3 to avoid audio compression artifacts as happens with even 320kbps MP3 compression.

      strike

      --
      "Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
    27. Re:Yeah but... by Sarisar · · Score: 1

      Didn't they do 'Walk this way' with Aerosmith...

    28. Re:Yeah but... by Slovenian6474 · · Score: 1

      ...so? I didn't ask what YOU have.

  26. not enough? by romit_icarus · · Score: 1

    I keep a 1GB stick on my keychain which is enough for almost anything.
    Famous last words. Remember the days - not too long ago - when a floppy drive was "enough".
    The truth is that with video capture devices becoming cheap, and consumer generated content and sharing fast becoming a social trend, I'm sure you'll hear about a 16GB personal drive being not "enough" pretty soon!

  27. Space by certel · · Score: 1

    Why would it be limited? Having 16GB is definitely useful and they shouldn't make only a certain number of devices.

  28. 16 gig USB by BSonline · · Score: 1

    I'd love it. I'd keep several of my favorite ISO's on it, some CD some DVD. Probably a program to read them with, just in case Daemon tools isn't installed where ever I am.
    Just be careful not to put too much personal information on there. Or, for that matter, anything that you can't afford to lose and have recovered by someone else.

    --
    PS: That is what part of the alphabet would look like if the letters "Q" and "R" were removed.
  29. DON'T BE INADEQUATE ANY MORE! by Dekortage · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dear Sir, Do you need to impress your computer? Is she starting to feel unsatisfied after your "encounters"? Perhaps you need to think about improving your Disk Storage Size. When choosing a Disk Storage enlargement method, there are many options these days. But very few are worth the money. However, our Storage Growth Dongles are the newest, safest, and absolutely most potent Dongles you can buy. No other Dongle comes even close to duplicating the results found with our Storage Growth Dongle. You won't have to take pills, get under the knife to perform expensive surgery, use any pumps or other devices. Just apply one Dongle to your work and you will start noticing dramatic devices. Millions of men are taking advantage of this revolutionary new product -- don't be left behind. We ship worldwide CLICK HERE!!!

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    1. Re:DON'T BE INADEQUATE ANY MORE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Needs more engrish and exclamation points. Well done, however!

  30. A limited edition? by Klaidas · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, it's a *limited edition*?
    Considering "640K shoudl be enough for everyone", we'll be carrying 32GB flashier soon, and the 16GB limited edition won't be anything special :)

  31. Misuse of the word "DONGLE" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a Dongle is an adapter of some sort, it does not imply anything to do with being a key 'fob'

  32. At 8x2 cm it's not the smallest thing by Bromskloss · · Score: 1
    At 8x2 cm it's not the smallest thing to attach to a keychain.
    But it's two-dimensional! No, wait. It's even one-dimensional!
    --
    Swedish plasma phys. PhD student; MSc EE; knows maths, programming, electronics; finance interest; seeks opportunities
  33. No wireless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Less space than a nomad. Lame.

  34. Flash Drive OS by neo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It would be nice to get someone to create a flash drive built for the purpose of an OS. It would have to be more urable than a normal flash drive because of the amount of data involved. Current drives simply don't last long enough under that kind of pressure.

    When you're talking about 16GBs, you could almost do away with your normal hard drive and use web based drives for storage. Portable computers would be lighter. Perhaps you could even increase the speed of the drive with caching (perhaps it's already done...).

    I'd like a flash drive I could put my OS on and not worry about it's data integrity.

    1. Re:Flash Drive OS by PurpleMonkeyKing · · Score: 2, Informative

      You already can install on os on you flash drive. SLAX would definitely be my favorite, since it has KDE, rather than one of the "light" window managers in Puppy, DSL, and the other small live distros use. I even found some directions so you can leave it as Fat.

      You can have SLAX load to ram if you have about 512mb available. As for writing files, I believe that all writes are writen to RAM and when you shut down you are given the option of making writes permanent.

    2. Re:Flash Drive OS by neo · · Score: 1

      It's not the system files, it's the document files.

    3. Re:Flash Drive OS by Pigeon451 · · Score: 1
      Try Damnsmalllinux, it can easily be installed on a USB drive, or you can buy one preinstalled, even on 256 MB.

      http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/usb.html

    4. Re:Flash Drive OS by phulegart · · Score: 1

      you can install your OS to a smaller format CD or even one of the business card shaped CD's as well.

      What he said was he wanted to be able to install his OS to a flash drive AND (that AND is the key word there and should not be ignored, for it makes his point) not worry about data integrity. See how that works? See how Installing your OS to a flash drive you are completely confident with, is different from installing your OS to a flash drive you do NOT have confidence in?

      It seems that there are people who have had horrible things done to their flash drives with no loss of data integrity, and there are those who have had little luck getting dependable performance out of their Dongle. I can completely understand why someone would be wary of putting all of their OS eggs in one basket and gamble on whether or not they would be able to use the system they were depending on working from that flash drive.

      So it wasn't a comment on whether or not an os COULD be put on a flash drive. That's already been discussed and beaten with a wet noodle. It was a comment more on whether or not HIS working oprating system SHOULD be put on a flash drive. Very different things.

      --
      "I love deadlines. I love the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." -D. Adams
    5. Re:Flash Drive OS by IzEBaLL · · Score: 1

      My Debian Sarge for my server in my livingrooms runs on a USB Stick (8GB). The stick was pretty expensive, but now the server is really silent. Other disks are in it as well, but only run when I access them (seldom enough).

      It is a pretty standard install of Debian Sarge without a swap space (it has 512 MB ram), but usb and scsi drivers in the initrd image.

      It is somehow slow because the stick is slow even with USB 2.0, but I think it is worth it. Because most applications write not very often I think that it will last long enough until the sticks are cheap, big and fast enough as a hd replacement.

    6. Re:Flash Drive OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use a Sony PCG-U1 laptop, it uses a 20 GB 1.8 inch (ipod-size) hard drive. 20 GB is more than big enough for my purposes - it doesn't fit my entire MP3 collection or newest games (which the laptop isn't powerful enough to play anyway) but it's loaded with tons of classic PC and console games and several series of sitcoms, enough to keep me entertained for a month of travelling, plus a gig of work stuff. Still only 2/3 full at that.

      So, I'd say that 16 GB is plenty for a typical laptop user, and also that the technology for tiny, light drives has been around for ages (the laptop is from 2001 or so), you don't even need flash. The only trouble is that smaller hard drives have low transfer speeds.

  35. "automatically launch the U3 Launchpad software?" by RiffRafff · · Score: 1

    From the Toshiba press release:

    "On insertion into a PC, all the U3(TM) models automatically launch the U3(TM) Launchpad software integrated into the memory, which presents the user with a list of programs to choose from and files to work with."

    So I'm guessing this is pretty much useless with my Linux boxes...
    Sounds like a good thing.

    --
    "I might have made a tactical error in not going to a physician for 20 years." -- Warren Zevon
  36. Replacement by tritonman · · Score: 2, Funny

    This would be a great replacement for the 12 inch dongle that's in my pocket currently... er, I mean 12 GB dongle.

    1. Re:Replacement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Why thats mad! We all know that no /.er has a dongle larger than 5 inches...er...gigabytes in his pocket! If they did, they wouldn't be on /.

  37. Did I do this right? by chriswaclawik · · Score: 1, Funny

    Is that an erection in your pocket, or are you just happy that you have a 16 GB USB Flash Dongle?

    --
    A guy walks into a bar... well, I forgot the joke, but the punchline is that he's an alcoholic.
  38. got one already, from Apple Computer by bazorg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What would you do with 16GB in your pocket?
    Besides carrying my files in it, I plug in my headphones and listen to music while I'm working out.

  39. Bigger & Bigger, Smaller & Smaller by JPFitting · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When will they learn that this is not what we want. We want things that work, and work for a long time. I am sick of buying things that break after a few years. My grandmother has a vacumn cleaner that has worked for over 20 years. I honestly have yet to find a vacumn cleaner these days that work beyond a few years. I don't care about bigger and better, I care about smarter and tougher. Unless documents become over 5 megabytes a file, I will not spend my money on this. I will spend that same money and a few extra bucks to get a LaCie external hard drive.

    --
    Music, my drug; dance, my ecstasy.
    1. Re:Bigger & Bigger, Smaller & Smaller by danheretic · · Score: 1
      I honestly have yet to find a vacumn cleaner these days that work beyond a few years.

      That's easy. Don't shop at Wal-Mart. Go find a vaccuum cleaner shop. They exist, the people who work there are generally great help and know their vaccuums, and let you try before you buy.

      That's a specific example, but it works for everything. Find a reputable dealer, one that specializes. Yes, you will generally pay more up front. But it will last 20x longer than the cheap crap Wal-Mart version.

    2. Re:Bigger & Bigger, Smaller & Smaller by jimicus · · Score: 1

      I honestly have yet to find a vacumn cleaner these days that work beyond a few years.

      If you will say something like that....

      http://www.kirby.com/

      Not terribly fashionable (if fashion can be said to apply to household appliances), and insanely expensive next to anything you will see on the mass market, but my mother is on her second in 22 years. The first she bought new in 1984 and traded it in for a newer model in 1996. It was still going strong, but she was offered more in trade-in value than she originally paid for it. I recently bought a reconditioned unit from circa 1998 for about 10% of the new price and it looks and works like new.

      The only problem is you have to be careful, or those Tom & Jerry cartoons where Jerry sucks Tom up into the vacuum cleaner from halfway across the room may actually happen - my cat still hasn't forgiven me.

    3. Re:Bigger & Bigger, Smaller & Smaller by smackt4rd · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but it's what They want. :) Then they can sell you another vacuum cleaner/car/computer or whatever.

    4. Re:Bigger & Bigger, Smaller & Smaller by ultramk · · Score: 1

      When will they learn that this is not what we want.

      You mean, what you want. Personally, I'm thrilled that tiny portable storage is growing in capacity at such a fantastic rate 5mb? I can't remember the past project I worked on that clocked in under 5mb. Of course I'm a designer, not a coder and my needs are different.

      As far as vacuums, this has less to do with the quality of vacuums than it does your shopping skills. If you REALLY want a vacuum that lasts, just go to a janitorial supply house and buy a commercial vacuum. Of course, they don't have all those fancy features, but they are rugged as hell, and will probably outlive you. Oh, they'll cost a hell of a lot, too, but you get what you pay for.

      m-

      --
      You catch enchiladas by picking them up behind the head and holding them underwater until they don't kick anymore -VeGas
    5. Re:Bigger & Bigger, Smaller & Smaller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can solve your vacuum cleaner problem. You say you can only find ones which work for 3 years, and you want it to last 20 instead? Easy! Just dial back your vacuuming schedule so you're vacuuming only 1/6th as much. Want fourty years? Then only use it 1/12th the time.

      These 'people' who abuse their vacuums by pushing them through dirt every couple of weeks really give the industry a bad name.

  40. Buslink already has them available... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://buslink.com/B1/Products.asp?CatID=4&SubCatI D1=0

    As far as I know, they are already available from Buslink....maybe not at a reasonable price, but they are there. Apparently the 32GB and 64GB versions are to be released soon.

  41. Not sure why the fuss over 16GB USB Flash... by Panaqqa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When Kanguru has introduced a 64GB flash drive (measures 1.5 x 2.5 x 9.2 cm). Link to it here.

    For me at least, the huge $2,799 USD price tag will keep it out of my pocket for at least a little while. But one thing's for sure: prices always come down. Wonder what this will go for this time next year.

    1. Re:Not sure why the fuss over 16GB USB Flash... by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Great, except it will take you 18 hours to fill it up, since the write speed is only 1MB/s (according to the page).

      --
      Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
    2. Re:Not sure why the fuss over 16GB USB Flash... by Monkey · · Score: 1

      tigerdirect has it wrong. According to the manufacturer's page ( http://www.kanguru.com/flashdrive_max.html ) it will do the USB 2.0 speed of 480 mb/s or 60 MB/s.

    3. Re:Not sure why the fuss over 16GB USB Flash... by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Oh, if I had a dollar for every USB2 item which actually did 480Mb/s. The fastest rarely hit 1/4 of that speed. The specs on Kangaru's site do say that it will write up to 5MB/s, so it will only take 3.5 hours to fill it.

      --
      Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
  42. Similar story by marcus · · Score: 1

    My 1G SanDisk Cruzer has been dropped in the alley and driven over by cars and whatever repeatedly. While it doesn't look very good anymore with nicks, scrapes, and tire marks all over, it is intact and works just fine.

    --
    Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
    - W. Wriston, former Citibank CEO
  43. Now is a good time by Brunellus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ....for flash storage in notebooks. I for one would LOVE a notebook with "only" 16 GB of storage...provided that 16 GB was flash. No spinning motors and platters means a more useful, portable device.

    1. Re:Now is a good time by Gemini_25_RB · · Score: 1

      It would be nice to get rid of big bulky HDs in laptops. However, does anyone know the power consumption of a flash drive vs. standard HD? I'd assume flash is less, but I aint sure.

    2. Re:Now is a good time by archen · · Score: 1

      Depending upon your laptop you can probably already do this. I have a dell laptop that eats hard drives, so when I went through my last hard drive, I got a PMCIA CF card adapter to boot the system from. You could then plug in the USB drive for more storage. These days maybe you can boot strait from USB on a laptop.

      Really all you have to do is remove the hard drive yourself.

    3. Re:Now is a good time by ohearn · · Score: 1

      I don't know an exact ratio, but I believe flash uses signifigantly less than half the power a traditional HD uses.

    4. Re:Now is a good time by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      The Mermon rev of the Intel Chip is supposed to support Flash memory ... so this is just around the corner. There are rumors that Apple will use Flash memory pretty soon to cache OS and commonly used applications. This will come in handy for laptops.

      It is arleady used (I believe) to some extent in the hard-drive based iPods -- they cache parts of songs in flash memory to avoid using the tiny drive too much.

      --
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    5. Re:Now is a good time by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      For some reason, my laptop has a working USB socket hidden in the bottom just next to the hard drive. I can only make sense of it, if I think about using a flash drive as a semi-permanent HD replacement. I might want to keep the HD for some extra storage. I'm just a little concerned about the limited rewrite lifetime of flash chips.

      --
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    6. Re:Now is a good time by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
      ....for flash storage in notebooks. I for one would LOVE a notebook with "only" 16 GB of storage...provided that 16 GB was flash. No spinning motors and platters means a more useful, portable device.



      You do know that you can attach CF cards to an IDE port with a simple adapter ? They are ATA compatible devices. Just swap out your notebook HD for a CF card.



      However, don't write too much on them (and especially don't use them as swap). They're only good for about 100000 write cycles.

  44. Obligatory Response Required by kid_oliva · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't help myself... with a strong rubber boot that fits snuggly around it, especially if you're active, pay a premium for something I could rely on to take a beating
    That's what she said!!!

    --
    I eat Karma for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. That's why I don't have any.
  45. OLD NEWS by dbrez8 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Kanguru has had a 16GB drive out for over 3 months. Why is this interesting new news? http://www.kanguru.com/flashdrive_max.html

    1. Re:OLD NEWS by bflong · · Score: 1

      Well, lets hope the Toshiba one costs a hell of a lot less then $749.95!!

      --
      Why is it so hot? Where am I going? What am I doing in this handbasket?
    2. Re:OLD NEWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this interesting new news?
      Because they have a "Submit to Slashdot" link at the bottom of the page.

    3. Re:OLD NEWS by Man+of+E · · Score: 1

      That website shows the drives go up to 64GB! Indeed, you can buy a 64GB flash drive at TigerDirect for the low low price of $2799.99. If you have money to burn, this may be just what you've been looking for.

      --
      Ceci n'est pas une sig
  46. transfer rate? by waffleman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most folks that I know use usb flash drives for backup and sneaker-net transfer. I wonder what the tranfer rate will be on this. Filling a 1G drive right now takes a fair while. If the transfer rates don't go up, having all that extra space doesn't really help you in a practical -I need to get this copy done and catch the bus in 10 minutes- kind of way.

  47. Darn.. by GmAz · · Score: 1

    I am sure it will be way out of my price range though. I would however settle for a nice 2 or 4 gb flash drive. My 1gb flash drive is filling up all the time.

    --
    Click Click Bloody Click PANCAKES!
  48. Re:"automatically launch the U3 Launchpad software by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

    U3 devices show as 2 partitions. The U3 system partition will appear as a CD (CDFS on Windows), and the rest of the drive appears as a normal (vfat) partition. You can also get utilities to remove the U3 software and partition, which is what I did.

  49. Bah! Humbug! by camperdave · · Score: 1

    I carry a Coghlan magnesium fire starter, a Swiss Army knife, and a folding comb in my pocket at all times, without any problems. Each of these items is larger than the drive in question. The key, is to put it in your front pocket. You will never sit on it that way.

    --
    When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
    1. Re:Bah! Humbug! by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1
      The key, is to put it in your front pocket. You will never sit on it that way.
      You don't sit on crowded mass transit much, do you? Or maybe my pants are just too loose.
      --
      "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
  50. Kanguru has a 64GB drive by gelfling · · Score: 1

    http://www.kanguru.com/flashdrive_max.html

    Of course it's $2800 US from TigerDirect.

  51. -1 Redundant?! by QuantumFTL · · Score: 1

    But... but... I worded the joke so much better! Methinks I should have tried harder to get a first post!

  52. Put an IDE interface on it by macemoneta · · Score: 1

    At 16GB, it's starting to be large enough to be a useful replacement for a 2.5" hard drive. Lower power, heat and noise and zero seek. If they can get 16GB under $100US, I'll buy one.

    --

    Can You Say Linux? I Knew That You Could.

    1. Re:Put an IDE interface on it by simp · · Score: 1

      Yes please. There are some ide flash drives and pcmcia 2 ide convertors available now, but a cheap 16GB drive with an ide connector would be very nice.

      I could boot my laptop and my OS for my file server from that. The big data HD for file server is another problem, but slowly we are getting to the point of low-power / high volume data storage.

  53. size by bmongar · · Score: 1

    It's not the size of your dongle it's how us use it.

    --
    As x approaches total apathy I couldn't care less.
  54. BTW do that have a good directory structure? by gelfling · · Score: 1

    I have USB drives that are limited to 130 entries in a folder regardless of size. I hope these big drives overcome that.

    1. Re:BTW do that have a good directory structure? by tuffy · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's a limitation of the filesystem the drive is formatted with. If you're willing to sacrifice some cross-platform portability, you should be able to format the drive as NTFS, ext3 or some other filesystem that's not so limited.

      --

      Ita erat quando hic adveni.

    2. Re:BTW do that have a good directory structure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's probably FAT16 formatted. I bought an mp3 player recently and was scratching my head as to why I couldn't fit more than about 500Mb on a 1Gb player - turns out FAT16 is limited to 130 entries in the root directory (130 files @ approx 4Mb each gives 500Mb approx). The best thing is to just reformat as FAT32 which removes these restrictions and still gives maximum cross-platform compatability.

    3. Re:BTW do that have a good directory structure? by gelfling · · Score: 1

      Interesting; I will look into that. thanks you.

    4. Re:BTW do that have a good directory structure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another easy answer is to put shit in a folder =P

    5. Re:BTW do that have a good directory structure? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      What filesystem can be read and written to in WinXP, Mac OS X, and Linux?

      The only one that comes close is ext2, and I'm not sure I trust the support in the current version of OS X.

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    6. Re:BTW do that have a good directory structure? by freeweed · · Score: 1

      What filesystem has a limit of 130 entries in a directory??

      Fat32 sure as hell doesn't, and is readable by every major (and minor) desktop OS out there. Why suggest something like NTFS or ext3, which are virtually guaranteed to have support issues?

      --
      Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
    7. Re:BTW do that have a good directory structure? by Anubis350 · · Score: 1

      Honestly, the support of ext2/3 in the current vers of OSX is abysmal, and I doubt itll be fixed in for 10.4 before 10.5 comes out. When I have ext2fsx installed on a Tiger system, it kernel panics every 20mins or so, not good at all. 10.3 support is awesome though, too bad I cant run 10.3 on any of my machines and actually do any work :-(. Really really hope Apple will finally incorporate ext2/3 support into 10.5.

      --
      "goodbye and hello, as always" ~Prince Corwin, from Zelazny's Amber series
  55. Obligatory response by with_him · · Score: 1

    It is not the size of your dongle but how you use it! I know plenty of guys with big dongles that can barely fill them and only take them out once in while.

  56. Just make sure you know it's there... by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I backed up my files to my flash drive, and then left it in the USB port and proceeded to upgrade Solaris. It kept complaining that my primary boot drive was only 512M and only had 15M free. I thought something was fuxx0r3d with my partition table, until I saw what the mount point was... At least now I know my box can boot from USB, that may come in handy, given a sufficiently sad set of circumstances.

    --
    Just junk food for thought...
  57. 16GB? Over USB 2.0? Are you people insane? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    USB 2.0 is soooooooooo slow... I had to move about 35GB of data via USB 2.0 yesterday and it took about 40 minutes... With capacities going ever higher, why aren't we seeing more FireWire thumbdrives?

    1. Re:16GB? Over USB 2.0? Are you people insane? by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

      there should be e-sata ones too as well but there is no power over that bus. Firewire does have power on it's bus.

    2. Re:16GB? Over USB 2.0? Are you people insane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thats a good thing firewire is SLOWER than USB2.0 ....
      480mBit/sec vs 400mBit/sec (Comparable to ATA66)

      It's not the interface thats the problem here its the media read/write speed.

    3. Re:16GB? Over USB 2.0? Are you people insane? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1
      thats a good thing firewire is SLOWER than USB2.0 .... 480mBit/sec vs 400mBit/sec (Comparable to ATA66)
      Here we go... another ignorant anonymous coward spreading FUD.

      On paper, USB 2.0 is faster than FireWire 400. In real life, USB 2.0 can't sustain 480mb/sec and is a lot slower than FireWire 400. Not to mention the CPU drain with USB 2.0 as opposed to FireWire.
  58. itegrated software? by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 1

    FTFA: "On insertion into a PC, all the U3TM models automatically launch the U3TM Launchpad software integrated into the memory, which presents the user with a list of programs to choose from and files to work with. U-Safe, password-based security protection softwere, is also built into Launchpad and can be activated at the user's discretion. Other application programs can be downloaded from the U3(TM) site."

    so who wants to bet this will only work on windows? But hey, so long as this "integrated" software can be deleted, who cares right?

  59. The answer to your prayers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  60. Cameras need that many GBs by IgorC · · Score: 1

    With 5 Mpixels cameras capable of producing movies, I am sure people would eventaully love a 16 GB memory sticks ( I know this is not the dongle refered to in this article.) In our case, we could go on imaging Earth for the full 20 hours our balloon ( http://hasp-geocam.blogspot.com/ )is going to be up. For background, the reasons for undertaking this project can be found here at http://hasp-geocam.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_hasp-ge ocam_archive.html

  61. Is that 16GB in you pocket? ... by KazerSoza · · Score: 0

    Or are you just happy to see me?

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  62. Lexar by everphilski · · Score: 1

    Use my 512M daily for over a year and its still solid, no mechanical failures or data problems. Solid.

    1. Re:Lexar by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 1

      They don't survive too well when your usb slot is at the bottom-front of the tower and you tip the thing forward to plug something in the back. Crunch time.

  63. If we had usable ebook hardware... by geoff+lane · · Score: 1

    16Gb of storage would allow you to hold the text of about 40,000 average length paperback books.

    1. Re:If we had usable ebook hardware... by slowbad · · Score: 1
      hold the text of about 40,000 average length paperback books

      Don't like ebook hardware? Then build your own. In a week you'll want something with a BETTER feel than an actual book like the
      RCA Rocket Reader.

      Size doesn't matter (capacity). These days it need only be wireless and web-based. Point it to your own non-DRM server collection.

      Ten seconds loading time if your home-built ebook reader stores one full title; instantaneous if it only grabs a chapter in realtime.

  64. Would that fit in 16GB? by wiredog · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    at got your tongue? (something important seems to be missing from your comment ... like the body or the subject!)at got your tongue? (something important seems to be missing from your comment ... like the body or the subject!)at got your tongue? (something important seems to be missing from your comment ... like the body or the subject!)

  65. Perfect for vmware applications........ by jehowe · · Score: 1

    i could put a full hot backup of my custom PBX (trixbox) plus a variety of OS's on this....... very cool.

  66. building automation systems by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
    With computers controlling large buildings, you want the things to be as reliable as possible. Use two of the things as read-only partitions for the acual code and data and run the system itself on a RAM disk. More reliable than a CD, I suspect.

    -b.

  67. Flash to HD's by jrmiller84 · · Score: 1

    So when will companies really start pushing this technology from thumb drives into the world of hard drives? I read an article a while back that someone was doing this but that's all I have read since then. This seems has to be the next logical progression in computer hardware development. Once we get there, us mp3car guys will be very happy ;) This could also pave the way for more commercial applications of car pc's in commercial vehicles.

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  68. How about 64 GB? by jmv · · Score: 1

    Have I missed something or is this device already holding 4x what TFA describes?

  69. "More durable"? What for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been carrying one of those flimsy USB (generic "EZ-DRIVE") flash drives in my pocket every day for 3 or 4 years; got it for $35. Cheapo plastic and with similarly cheap plastic top. I've dropped it before. I've never had a problem with its operation, and the top doesn't pop off, even when dropped. They are not as fragile as you think. The only problem I've had with its construction is that the logo on the side eventually wore off, so the surface is now smooth and worn.

  70. That might be true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "But at 16 GB you could keep a good bit of your life there,"

    Yea, if you're an empty shell of a human being.

  71. It's not the size of a man's dongle that matters.. by objekt · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...rather it's..umm...I got nothing.

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  72. What to do with 16GB??? by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Easy - since most PCs I come across let you boot from USB in BIOS, I'd keep a copy of every damned Linux Distro (and a few Warez Windows versions) so I could install whatever OS I choose on any spare machine I get my grubby hands on.

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    1. Re:What to do with 16GB??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually on 16 GB you could only fit Debian Stable plus the latest Fedora Core. Maybe Win 2K as well.

    2. Re:What to do with 16GB??? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Umm. Maybe 16 Gb (Gigabit) would hold that.. on 16 GB (GigaBYTE) I could toss Ubuntu, various Knoppix Distros, Looking-Glass Linux, Freespire, Win2k, WinXP, Even Windows 98, and Gentoo 2006.1, plus more, then have a simple Linux-based install script load up. I've got a 1GB thumbdrive that serves as this function already for older computers that I encounter, why not have this for newer ones, with more OS choice? :)

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  73. Farwell to DVDs! by transami · · Score: 1
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  74. 16GB Flash by aristolochene · · Score: 1

    16GB flash? At last your average ./er will be able to keep 0.01% of their favourite pr0n with them at all times.

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  75. What about the devices you already carry? by eno2001 · · Score: 1

    It seems silly to carry around a ton of gadgets when maybe one or two of them would suffice. There is no sense of style in having a belt full of devices or bag with five different gadget in it that weighs a ton. I say, opt for what you've already got. Take me for example. I have one of the excellent Rio Karma music players. It's functionality within Linux as a USB drive is finally "getting there". So much so that the proprietary partition type has made it into the mainline kernel. So instead of having to carry all this crap with me, I just carry my Karma. :) Simple really.

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  76. Flash difference? by paynesmanor · · Score: 1

    Can this thing run programs? I heard something about two different Flash drives. One that will only store information, The other is being able to have programs that are already installed on the drive. What is the diff?

  77. Re:"automatically launch the U3 Launchpad software by pimpimpim · · Score: 1

    yeah, this was in a slashdot article some days ago. Also they mentioned you cannot reinstall the U3 system afterwards (yet).

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  78. Portable applications by vinn01 · · Score: 1

    You can never carry around too many portable applications.

    Although most portable app are for Linux (or have both Linux and Window versions). Few Windows apps are portable because (I think) Windows developers are piss poor developers. One look at the registry of the average Windows PC proves my point. Creating portable and easily editable config files seem to be beyond the skills of most Windows developers.

  79. Is that... by daeg · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Is that 16GB of porn in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

  80. Is that a 16GB Flash USB Dongle in your pocket? by davidc · · Score: 1

    ... or are you pleased to see me?

  81. Just like the email says... by UberHoser · · Score: 0

    Is your dongle too small ? Do your co-workers laugh at the size of your dongle in the locker room ? Is your wife looking for a bigger dongle ? Well now you can have a frigging HUGE dongle ! How does 16 GB sound to you !

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  82. Question about lifespan MTBF of flash vs hdd by HighOrbit · · Score: 1

    useful replacement for a 2.5" hard drive

    Would it really? What is the lifespan on these things in read/write cycle terms? Showing my own ignorance here, but I've been concerned that flash just doesn't have what it takes it you are doing lots of read/write/erase/over-write actions. I have an idea for a fanless embedded device (where I have no real expeience) that will have a bunch of read/writes and I'm torn between the tradeoff of lots of heat but reliable HDD and low-heat but worse MTBF of flash (or so i've read). I've come to the conclusion that I can put the root file system mounted RO on flash (only gets read at boot and writtent to during a firmware upgrade ) and have the data all on an HDD (which will have frequent read/writes). Can flash really replace a HDD for heavy-duty operations?

    1. Re:Question about lifespan MTBF of flash vs hdd by macemoneta · · Score: 1

      It's more than adequate, with proper sparing and reallocation algorithms (built into the drive itself). I used to work for a large telecom, and we had thousands of flash drives in production edge switches in central offices all over the USA. Their failure rate was comparable to the regular drives. They were written to nearly continuously (circular log files).

      I have no problem using flash drives. My laptop HDs need to be replaced every 18 months to 2 years as it is - I'm on the third HD in the machine I'm using now, and it's just 5 years old. The major issue with portable devices is physical shock and vibration, which is a killer for rotational media.

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    2. Re:Question about lifespan MTBF of flash vs hdd by SysGoddess · · Score: 1
      "Would it really? What is the lifespan on these things in read/write cycle terms?"

      They seem overly sensitive to static discharge and I haven't had one yet that has lasted more than 18 months in the field working in dry,carpeted offices. There's often little or nothing metallic in a cube farm to ground to with padded partitions and plastic workstations and I'm not going to crack a case just to ground myself before plugging in a thumbdrive.

      Repeat after me kiddies... these are NOT dongles. These are flash drives or thumb drives.

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  83. I'd rather see bigger miniSD cards by cuban321 · · Score: 1

    I already keep my phone in my pocket, why keep anything else? MiniSD is great. I keep a few mp3s, some tools, and anything else I need on there already.

  84. I'd rather have a used car. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $2800 for a USB dongle? A good kind of insane but still insane.

  85. Sixteen gigs by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1

    Sixteen gigs of storage in a USB dongle?! That's no small change... Looks like I'll be able to put all my files onto about fifty of those things, and that's a heck of an improvement over using a zillion floppies to store stuff, and then digging through all of them to find it.

  86. SPEED! by kylehase · · Score: 2, Informative

    Size is good and all but we really need speed. With the popularity of porable apps and U3 technology we're really going to need a push for speed. Recent speed comparison of some flash drives I use portable apps such as portable ethereal, firefox, thunderbird, portaputty and I love them but the larger apps or apps with large data such as thunderbird really lag even on USB 2.0 flash drives. Correct me if I'm wrong but the bottleneck is not the USB bus but the flash.

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  87. Or maybe by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 1

    The woman is terribly right. For you, not me. I'm huge, it's the internets.

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  88. What would *I* do with a 16G drive in my pocket? by sehlat · · Score: 1

    Back up (with suitable encryption) my entire e-book library plus scans of all my critical documents. Then, if someting like Katrina comes through, I grab (in descending priority order) my wife, my cats, my backup drive, and my clothes, and run. The clothes are optional. The items ahead of them are not readily replaceable and so are not optional.

  89. Blue Memories by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Who's got a Bluetooth USB stick with Flash MBs on it? Or better yet, Bluetooth USB stick with a connector for Flash?

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  90. Re:More bad editing by kestasjk · · Score: 1

    I stand corrected

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  91. USB Drive is not a Dongle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    A dongle is a device that is plugged into a computer which allows protected software to run. A USB thumb/jump drive, portable storage device, yes. Dongle - no.

  92. Install Apps!! by dlhm · · Score: 0

    I use my 4-gig to install apps like office and adobe VNC winzip. on remote client pc's. heck, it's even faster than installing from a utility partition on a 100-meg network. I would love to be able to put a ton more apps on it. i would like to actually maube use ghost to backup an entire computer while in the field. now, I'm stuck to a usb-ide converter....

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    1. Re:Install Apps!! by dlhm · · Score: 0

      perhaps someone could help me, I see all the other post with a score.. I have never received any score,, why?

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  93. I could have used one on my last vacation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I borrowed a relatives computer to dump pics from my digital camera onto three 1 GB keychain drives, and still had to resist filming more video...

  94. What the Women Will Say by scruffy · · Score: 1

    Is that 16GB in your pocket are you just happy to see me?

  95. carputers, car MP3 players, etc... by sl8anic · · Score: 1

    ... anywhere there's shock, high/low temps, and otherwise sh*tty conditions.

  96. Yeah thats alot of storage but $$$ by awss82 · · Score: 1

    16GB that's great but when it will be released I bet it will cost some $$$. :-(

  97. Just me? this is WAY OLD news by pinkuff · · Score: 1

    BUSLink has had a 64GB drive for sale since march this year. Anyhow, imagine how you feel when you find out you lost your house keys, your coffee machine key AND five grand worth' of solid-state memory in one fell swoop ! Great idea, I'm having three.

    1. Re:Just me? this is WAY OLD news by dbrez8 · · Score: 1

      Actulally Buslink took this drive off their site a few months back. Its not available. http://www.buslink.com/B1/Products.asp?CatID=4&Sub CatID1=0

  98. how about a toughdrive by grapeape · · Score: 1

    Try http://flash.atpinc.com/products/view.php?product_ id=1178

    They have a flash drive called the ToughDrive that is waterproof and can supposedly withstand being run over by a small car.

  99. Hate to rain on this parade.... by PoconoPCDoctor · · Score: 1

    So Joe Cool in accounting considers himself a regular geekster - loads a few OS's on his 16 gig USB stick and boots at work! No prob!

    Lets' listen in on Joe Cool, shall we?

    Hey! WTF - I'm crashing! Let me call the Help Desk! Hey - Help Desk - my system is crashing - what OS? I got Unbuntu, Fedora, Vista and XP loaded on my 16 gig USB stick - cool huh! Waddya mean you don't support OS's on USB sticks? Wassamatta wid youse guys - you in the frickin' stone age or sumpin?

    Click! Dial tooooooone.....

    Joe Cool - I cannot BELIEVE they hung up on me!!!!! WTF!!!!

    Please file this for future reference - category - non-supported boot-devices.

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  100. smaller 16 GB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now if someone ever said "is that 16 GB in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?" it might be kind of insulting.

  101. Could you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these? by Biff+Stu · · Score: 1

    Seriously--If someone were to roll a RAID array of flash drives could they replace a conventional HD on a regular computer? You could run a real computer off a RAID 1+0 or 5+0 array of these things if the performance is good enough?

  102. anyone else notice? by thatgun · · Score: 1

    Derek Dongle writes

    hmm... this repetitive use of "Dongle" is making me wonder. Is Derek Dongle a penname for CmdrTaco?

  103. and it will be US$19.95! (after US$500 rebate) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - yea, right...

    - sigh... i guess i'll have to wait until next year for this one...

    - and who wants just a storage dongle? i want the dongle to play .ogg/.mp3, tune into AM/FM, and do in-line, radio, and voice recording...

  104. But when... by AaronPSU777 · · Score: 1

    Will Bluetooth become universal enough that I can ditch my flash drive entirely and just use the 10 gig micro HD in my cell phone as storage. And without even having to take it out of my pocket!

  105. large dongle by AVryhof · · Score: 1

    I guess you could load it with pr0n and play with your dongle now and then...

    OTOH, in some places you can get arrested for exposing your large dongle in public.

  106. Long Dongle Silver by Ranger · · Score: 1

    I sure am envious of that 16GB dongle. Who cares if it's too big to put on a key chain? I'd hang that sucker on a lanyard and put it around my neck. Darn I'm stuck with a 6GB dongle. I know some poor geeks only have a 2GB or 4GB dongle. We won't even mention the 1/2GB dongles.

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  107. who cares? You can already by a 64GB usb drive. by gnasby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    umm... 16GB usb dongle drive made by Toshiba. big deal.

    A company called Kanguru has been making a 64GB USB dongle drive for quite a while now.

    You can buy it from many places including Tiger Direct ( Kanguru 64GB Flash Max Drive

  108. Stuff lasts as long as it always has by freeweed · · Score: 1

    My grandmother has a vacumn cleaner that has worked for over 20 years.

    That's very funny, because as someone who was actually alive over 20 years ago, I can tell you that people said the very same thing back then.

    Notice the pattern:

    In the 2000s, everything built in the 1980s lasted forever; things made in the 2000s break after a few years.
    In the 1980s, everything built in the 1960s lasted forever; things made in the 1980s break after a few years.
    In the 1960s, everything built in the 1940s lasted forever; things made in the 1960s break after a few years.
    In the 1940s, everything built in the 1920s lasted forever; things made in the 1940s break after a few years.
    In the 1920s, everything built in the 19th century lasted forever; things made in the 1920s break after a few years.

    And yes, I've done research on this. My grandparents are over 90 and swear that everything made since the Great Depression is crap and never lasts. I've found early newspaper op-ed pieces from the 1910s that claim the very same thing, just pushing back the date a little.

    (The secret, of course, is that the things made in year X that only last a few years are long since discarded, and we only remember the things that last any decent length of time)

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  109. By the comments here by put_the_cat_out · · Score: 1

    /. has ended the discussion, once and for all, about whether size really does matter

  110. Is that 16GB in your pocket? by Roduku · · Score: 1

    Or you just happy to see me?

  111. Only 16? by solevita · · Score: 1

    You can buy 64 gigs now:

    http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/29/buslinks-64gb-u sb-2-0-flash-drive-pro-2-series/

    Which should be enough for most...

  112. limited edition? by MerrickStar · · Score: 1

    By limited edition, do they mean limited to however meany people they can get to buy it, or limited until they find out whether or not there is a large enough market to sell it on a larger scale?

  113. P'shaw! by mmell · · Score: 1
    I can get you a 64G stick (that's right, sixty-four gigabyte) unit for USD $4999 here.

    32G and 16G units are also available.

  114. OT: But... by Propaganda13 · · Score: 1

    I still use punch cards everyday at work. Of course, it's to scribble notes on. We've got boxes of these things lying around.

  115. Is that a 16GB dongle in your pocket? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or are you just glad to see me.

  116. That's just a bit silly. by neminem · · Score: 1

    I really don't know what I would do with a flashdrive that big. Then again, I don't really do much with my 512 meg flashdrive, either - anything I need to move around, either I stick it up on my own server, or one of the couple other webservers I have access to, or if it's really big, stick it on my 400gig usb hard drive. Or if it's somewhere in the middle, stick it on my 100gig mp3 player that acts like an mp3 player in terms of having a battery, and playing mp3s, but like a hard drie in terms of plugging it into a usb port on a computer and being able to use it without any proprietary software or drivers. So I guess I'm unusual, in terms of how easy I have it, portable-storage-wise.

  117. Check your eyeballs! by scdeimos · · Score: 1
    I'm not quite sure I want to call it a dongle. At 8x2 cm it's not the smallest thing to attach to a keychain.
    OMG, Taco! Have you even measured an average USB flash key? Even Verbatim's crappy 256k/512k/1GB keys are 7.5x2cm. 5mm longer for an extra 15GB and you want to complain?
  118. Re:It's not the size of a man's dongle that matter by wilec · · Score: 1

    The question was "What would you do with 16GB in your pocket?"

    So I guess it's what you do with it that matters, or maybe how well you do it. Of course so far my biggest dongle is 512mb, so I may be biased. Hey at least all it takes is time and a few $ to get a bigger one, some things in life ain't quite so easy, unless you believe the Bob ads that is. :)

    Matthew

  119. 16 Gig Flash Drives Why not 16gig cache for disk by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

    With flash drives being made increasingly large, it would help if the smarts surrounding hard disk technology was brought to market with this cache technology. As I see it, each hard disk could interchange data with the cache, and the cache, to the host. Having hard disk systems with 16 gig caches could reduce read/write times to almost zero milliseconds.

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