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A Shopping-Scanner Darkly

An anonymous reader writes "Using functional MRI scans, researchers have found which parts of the brain are active when people consider buying something and can predict whether or not they'll ultimately bite. One of the main findings was that rather than weighing a choice between the pleasure of making a purchase and the delayed gratification of using the dough for something else, the brain is actually weighing between the pleasure of buying and the pain of forking over the cash."

107 comments

  1. Yeah... by robzon · · Score: 1

    neuromarketing anybody?

  2. Yeah, but by jhines · · Score: 3, Funny

    It is really going to be hard to fit the MRI machine in the line at the supermarket.

    1. Re:Yeah, but by Jesrad · · Score: 1

      What for ?

      Seriously, all this manages to do is determine whether the person is about to buy or not. In other words, it replicates the functionality of the shop itself.

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    2. Re:Yeah, but by venicebeach · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's why you have to bring the supermarket into the MRI.

      What's cool about this study is that people were making decisions to buy with real money. They actually received the products they chose, for a price. fMRI studies, like much of cognitive science, often gravitates towards abstracted situations so that they can be tightly controlled. What's exciting is that now we are moving more towards scanning real-life situations.

    3. Re:Yeah, but by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Advertisers and retail consultants of all sorts have a tremendous hunger for information. Anything they can measure might give them an advantage over their competition and the lengths they will go to are determined only by the competitiveness of the market they are in.

      I do a fair amount of product photography. I sometimes sit in meetings where advertising and marketing people will go over my photos to pick the ones they want to use. The bulk of what they base their decisions on is how a particular shot makes them 'feel'. That and a whole host of boring antocedotes about how many seconds X type of person will spend making a buying decision about Y product and what factors will weight most heavily in determining the purchase. Some of the things they claim to know amaze me, that anyone would bother to study them.

      What I've learned from all this is that every single aspect of any large chain store you visit will be the way it is because of some study (and sometimes by some vendor paying for a better position for their product). The color of the walls, the floor, the lighting. The way items are arranged on the shelf. The position of the packages. Their height above the floor. The quantity of each item and the selection within a category. The graphics on the package. The music playing overhead. The uniforms on the employees. The presence or absence of employees in a particular area. The relative position of competing products, of complementary products. The arrangement of departments throughout the store. The ease of ingress or egress in the parking lot. The lighting in the parking lot. The type of front doors. Signage. Leaflets. Whizzing spinning blinking lights to alert you the something wonderful is about to happen, some item will be deeply discounted.

      Absolutely everything about every visit to every national level retailer will have been picked over in meetings both by the marketing department of the store you are in and by the marketing department of the product in that store.

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    4. Re:Yeah, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "particular shot makes them 'feel'"

      And that's why we keep seeing the same types of pictures, same music, same shock slogans. For a generation of advertisers, you're going to see commonality and a pattern, whether or not they reflect the rest of the population.

      Yes, I'm tried of those Gap commericals.

    5. Re:Yeah, but by delinear · · Score: 1

      Well, it seems a lot of people are missing the point that this tells us why people buy, not just whether they will buy. Although the idea of an MRI at a checkout is a bit of silly fun, it's interesting (if true) that people's choices are really based on pleasure of buying/pain of spending rather than pleasure of buying/delayed gratification of buying elsewhere. A lot of stores make a big play of loyalty card schemes and competitive pricing, but this seems to suggest that people are prepared to forget the fact that they can save a few pennies elsewhere if you just make the buying process a bit more pleasurable - maybe smaller queues, friendlier staff, etc. I'm all for that...

  3. Orwell was right... sort of by User+956 · · Score: 1

    rather than weighing a choice between the pleasure of making a purchase and the delayed gratification of using the dough for something else, the brain is actually weighing between the pleasure of buying and the pain of forking over the cash.

    "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human's wallet -- forever."

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    1. Re:Orwell was right... sort of by Inverted+Intellect · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If stores want a better hold of a customer's wallet, shouldn't they perhaps focus a little less on the actual putting of items in baskets, and suchlike, and a little more focus on the actual forking over of cash?

      If they manage to somehow make that experience easier for customers, perhaps they will find themselves more inclined to fork cash over to their stores rather than their rival's.

    2. Re:Orwell was right... sort of by Karthikkito · · Score: 1

      RFID credit cards (the ones you see advertised on tv with the marathon runner stoppping for a drink) seem to fill this need. You just touch your plastic card to the machine -- not even signing (less feeling of commitment!!) -- and go. Not only have you placed the payment on a card that you will only pay off at a later date (thus delaying the pain of payment), the physical action of payment doesn't really give time to reflect either.

  4. PKD FTW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're loving the PKD reference titles today.

    1. Re:PKD FTW? by Teresita · · Score: 2, Funny

      We're loving the PKD reference titles today.

      We Can Remember Them For You Wholesale, as a matter of fact.

    2. Re:PKD FTW? by JasonKChapman · · Score: 1

      Sweet, huh? It's almost like they can remember it for us--for free!

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  5. In other words.... by StressGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the Article:

    "One of the main findings was that rather than weighing a choice between the pleasure of making a purchase and the delayed gratification of using the dough for something else, the brain is actually weighing between the pleasure of buying and the pain of forking over the cash."

    So, in short, they are considering if the item is worth the asking price? That actually sounds a lot like a rational thought process to me.

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    1. Re:In other words.... by calderra · · Score: 0

      I think the psychological / sociological importance of that finding is bigger than the immediate economic concern... for example, when someone robs the Quik-E-Mart, is he weighing only the amount of cash in the register versus the number of bullets in his gun? Is he basically not considering the long-term affects at all? If this case applies more broadly, it could imply a need to turn a lot of modern psychology upside-down. Telling people to think before they act (and weigh the future consequences of action) might be something we're literally not hardwired for.

    2. Re:In other words.... by vokyvsd · · Score: 1

      No, they're showing that shoppers are considering the loss of money - the thing they have in their hand - rather than the loss of purchasing power - something that really exists only in the abstract.

      I seem to remember several months/years ago someone linked this to humanity's ancient roots as hunter-gatherers - when we were out scrounging up food, we had to think quickly and decisively and make immediate choices based only on what data were directly in front of us. Today, shopping presents enough of the right stimuli to re-activate this portion of the brain that circumnavigates costly (processing-time-wise) long-term thinking and instead makes quick, short-sighted decisions. Hence impulse buying from otherwise rational people. Does anyone remember this article? Or am I just making it up?

    3. Re:In other words.... by WhyDoYouWantToKnow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I seem to remember several months/years ago someone linked this to humanity's ancient roots as hunter-gatherers - when we were out scrounging up food, we had to think quickly and decisively and make immediate choices based only on what data were directly in front of us. Today, shopping presents enough of the right stimuli to re-activate this portion of the brain that circumnavigates costly (processing-time-wise) long-term thinking and instead makes quick, short-sighted decisions. Hence impulse buying from otherwise rational people. Does anyone remember this article? Or am I just making it up?

      Are you telling me that my desire to walk into the local electronics superstore and purchase one of those flat, wide-screen TV's with the really cool mirrors is actually based on an evolutionary, instinctual if you will, response passed along through the genetic roots received from my ancestors developed during their hunter-gatherer days and not based on the commercials that have been airing with the kid out in the middle of the field with the rainbow coming out of her hand?

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    4. Re:In other words.... by maximthemagnificent · · Score: 1

      >> So, in short, they are considering if the item is worth the asking price? That actually sounds a lot like a rational thought process to me.

      It seems as if they ignored the fact that people value money directly, rather
      than having to translate it into items that the money could be used to buy at some
      later date for the sake of comparison. I conciously debate between the pleasure of
      ownership vs. the pain of parting with the cash all the time, and I didn't need an MRI
      to tell me that!

      On a related note, this strikes me as one of those "cold is the absence of heat" observations.
      My personal favorite is the "power of negative thought". It's not that thinking positively
      boosts your immune system beyond what is normally possible, but rather than thinking
      negatively degrades it from what should be the norm. That's my theory, anyway.

      In case you were wondering, I believe the glass is at 50% of it's capacity.

      Maxim

    5. Re:In other words.... by siwelwerd · · Score: 1

      I'd also think that the more gratification you could get later would make it more painful to fork over the cash for something else now. Doesn't seem to me that their two comparisons are unrelated at all.

    6. Re:In other words.... by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      "Are you telling me that my desire to walk into the local electronics superstore and purchase one of those flat, wide-screen TV's with the really cool mirrors is actually based on an evolutionary, instinctual if you will, response passed along through the genetic roots received from my ancestors developed during their hunter-gatherer days and not based on the commercials that have been airing with the kid out in the middle of the field with the rainbow coming out of her hand?"

      There may well be an evolutionary or instinctual mechanism for adults to make kids happy, particularly kids geneticly related to us, AND one to enjoy seeing happy healthy kids around as a confirmation our immediate tribe is doing well. There's probably also a mechanism to drive us to seek empowerment, so something that the commercials imply gives us a 'magic' power like projecting rainbows can help bypass consious, rational decision making.
            In fact, completely fictitious power symbolism may work better than realistic symbolism on many people, because the part of your brain that doesn't care if magic is real or not becomes involved, and helps supress the more realistic recognition that the item isn't really going to empower us either. We've (speaking for an entire consumer demographic group) become skeptical of claims that owning a new X will let us get ahead in real life, but since we don't take "It'll give ya magic powers!" seriously anyway, the skepticism filters never get a chance to kick in.

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    7. Re:In other words.... by WhyDoYouWantToKnow · · Score: 1

      Go figure, and here I was thinking it was the subliminal messages embedded in the commercial that made me want to buy.

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      Marvin the Martian
  6. Conspiracy? by cheftw · · Score: 5, Interesting
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    1. Re:Conspiracy? by CRCulver · · Score: 2, Informative

      Who modded this off-topic? The title is indeed a clear reference to Philip K. Dick's A Scanner Darkly . As Dick was possibly schizophrenic and much of his work was about human perception and possible alternative functionings of the brain, it makes sense. The parent should've been modded up as informative.

  7. Is this Philip K. Dick day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did I miss it? What's next... Slashdot story on immigration visas titled "Minority Import"?

    1. Re:Is this Philip K. Dick day? by hal2814 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Other upcoming stories:

      The Wiiplayers of Titan - A precog and a telepath attempt to figure out the supply chain so they can get their hands on a Wii.

      We Can Build You a Border Fence - A robotic Abraham Lincoln gets tired of the immigration debate and builds the border fence himself.

      Udik - A story on Jack Thompson and his video game crusade.

      The Three Video Game Consoles of Paler Eldritch - An indepth comparison of the Wii, PS3, and XBox 360.

      Wal-Mart Can Remember it for You Wholesale - A short piece on Wal-Mart's new vacation package sales plan.

    2. Re:Is this Philip K. Dick day? by syousef · · Score: 1

      Dick day is every day on /.

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    3. Re:Is this Philip K. Dick day? by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

      It probably is... somebody get this guy a Hallmark card or something.

    4. Re:Is this Philip K. Dick day? by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

      OK, I see where this thread is going.

      I Hope I Shall Upgrade Soon - A lame blogspam about Apple fanboys whining that they can't upgrading a Mac with an officially unsupported processor.

      The Man in the Low-High Byte Order - A detailed technical article discussing the differences of standard byte orders in different architectures, and the challenges it presents when communicating across such devices.

      Solar Storm Lottery - Alarmist story about a possible solar storm which could endanger Earth.

      Beyond Lies the Web 2.0 - Yet another story about how Web 2.0 is the huge thing that will change everything we know about the internet.

  8. Well...duh. by O'Laochdha · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I mean, when you're considering whether to buy something out of the ordinary, do you think "but I could spend this money on something else!" No, you think "but I'll have less/no pocket money left..." Maybe then the other things come to mind, but the first thought is that you'll have a smaller surplus. On some level, the first may be why you want more money, but it isn't the first thing you think of. This isn't some hidden mechanism of our brains; it's pretty intuitive.

    1. Re:Well...duh. by chrwei · · Score: 1

      i think you missed the point. the point is not that they figured out how poeple make purchasing descisions, but that they figured our what parts of the brain are involved and what the process looks like under MRI. it's not "how to make descisions", it's "how does the brain allow/enable someone to make the descision" which is a bit different a question.

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  9. Is it just my imagination... by Kelson · · Score: 1

    Or am I seeing a pattern in today's story titles?

  10. That explains desire for free items by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the brain doesn't have to worry about forking over cash, that explains why free items are so ridiculously popular... even something that people would sign away their privacy or credit to get, like free t-shirt for credit card apps that you see all over any college campus.

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    1. Re:That explains desire for free items by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, really, most people who sign up for credit cards in order to get the free handouts are doing so because they already know their credit is sub-par, so they feel they've got nothing to lose.

      I remember back when I was in college, I basically had no credit info on file. I was a "ghost" in the machine, essentially. I was living in an apartment with a roommate who got the place under their name and info, so there was no record of me paying rent. I bought my first car, used, with a personal check - so again, no car loan. Nobody would issue me a credit card, because I was too uncertain of a risk. Therefore, when I went to a hockey game and was offered the "free t-shirt" with the team logo on it for applying for some VISA card, sure - I did it! Who cares? I knew I'd get turned down, but I got a free shirt for 2 minutes of my time filling out the form.

    2. Re:That explains desire for free items by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If the brain doesn't have to worry about forking over cash, that explains why free items are so ridiculously popular... even something that people would sign away their privacy or credit to get, like free t-shirt for credit card apps that you see all over any college campus.

      I think that is more adequately explained by human stupidity... There is clearly a cost to handing over your personal data. I don't want blizzards of junk mail to descend upon me, so I don't even use my home address anywhere. These people just haven't taken the time to think about the results of their actions, thus their brain is unable to make the cost/benefit comparison; since they haven't thought rationally about the cost, it seems that there is none (but for some time which college students typically have in abundance, save for certain times of year.)

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    3. Re:That explains desire for free items by Chasqui · · Score: 1

      >There is clearly a cost to handing over your personal data. This is why you fill in the forms with someone else's personal data ;)

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    4. Re:That explains desire for free items by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      I knew I'd get turned down, but I got a free shirt for 2 minutes of my time filling out the form.

      These days you most likely WON'T get turned down. The mindset seems to have switched from "Who's trustworthy enough to have our card" to "Who can we change into an indentured servant today?"
  11. always pay cash! by coyote-san · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is why the financial advice that you always pay cash, not by check or credit card, helps you keep within your budget. I seem to recall that people cut expenses by 30% or so once they started forking over 2-3 $20s for dinner with a friend instead of a little piece of plastic.

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    1. Re:always pay cash! by skeevy · · Score: 1

      In fact, that's covered in the article: "The results can explain the growing tendency of consumers to overspend when purchasing items with credit cards instead of cash, because consumers do not immediately pay for items charged to credit cards and the "pain" of the potential loss is minimized."

    2. Re:always pay cash! by coyote-san · · Score: 1

      Yes, but that's just a scientific explanation for a long-known behavior, and it sounds like the study just showed that everyone does it the pleasure/pain analysis unconsciously. Some of us just raise the pain level a bit.

      I was shocked when I started doing this five years ago or so, and now the only places I use credit cards (or even retail checks) are situations where my behavior wouldn't be changed (e.g., at gas stations) and when it's a big ticket item and I want the legal protection credit cards provide.

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    3. Re:always pay cash! by WhyDoYouWantToKnow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't that one of the precepts of science? To give explanations for long-known behaviors.

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    4. Re:always pay cash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where I grew up (Canada) debit cards are widespread. So I associated using a card with immediately paying for something. Now when I use a debut ir credit card I have the same reaction: that I'm immediately paying for it. This limits my spending.

    5. Re:always pay cash! by Tchaik · · Score: 1

      I pay _everything_ I can with my CC. This way it's easy to know where my money went at the end of the year (no ATM fees, plus 1% cashback :-). I believe that people would spend less if they knew where they spend their money.

    6. Re:always pay cash! by coyote-san · · Score: 1

      That's been discussed in the personal finance books. There's not the same tactile feedback -- you "know" you're spending $50 instead of $20, but you can't "feel" it. It's the same thing with checks -- you know you're paying $400 instead of $250 for a new monitor, but you aren't actually counting out over 50% more bills.

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    7. Re:always pay cash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The pain minimisation effect is probably even further exacerbated by the internet. Not only do you not need to hand over cash you might not even have to get out of bed and put on clothes to make a big purchase. You can do it without even being properly awake.

  12. This part of my girlfriends brain by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Funny

    Clearly becomes impervious to pain when she takes my credit card and goes shopping for shoes.

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    1. Re:This part of my girlfriends brain by metlin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe you should hand her hard cash instead of a piece of plastic. ;)

    2. Re:This part of my girlfriends brain by banuk · · Score: 1

      you know what you did wrong? was that you made the assumption that people that read slashdot can relate..... a better analogy would be "This part of my brain blearly becomes impervious to pain when I wait in line in the cold for a Nintendo Wii all night"

    3. Re:This part of my girlfriends brain by StaticEngine · · Score: 1

      No, it's still working, but your girlfriend has compartmentalized away the pain because it's not her cash she's worried about spending, it's yours. The fact that this causes her no distress means she hasn't unified the two of you into one entity with a common financial sense of well being.

      In other words, she's using you, or at least your money, solely for her pleasure, with no foresight into the potential hazards this may cause down the road.

      Don't worry though, at least you're not married, in which case if you forced her to stop, and she left you, she'd still get half of whatever you had left.

    4. Re:This part of my girlfriends brain by rblum · · Score: 1

      Hm. Think about it. It might be shoes actually cause pleasure for her. Lots of it, obviously. There's an application there - but this being slashdot, I've got no idea what it would be ;)

    5. Re:This part of my girlfriends brain by Thuktun · · Score: 1
      Clearly becomes impervious to pain when she takes my credit card and goes shopping for shoes.
      Probably not. She's just indicating that there's very little pain for her in spending YOUR money.
    6. Re:This part of my girlfriends brain by syousef · · Score: 1

      How dare you talk about brains. You admit giving your girlfriend a credit card and letting her go shop for shoes with it? This is /. - you're not even suppose to admit you have a girlfriend.

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    7. Re:This part of my girlfriends brain by metlin · · Score: 1

      This is Slashdot.

      He's not supposed to have a brain, either. =)

    8. Re:This part of my girlfriends brain by cp.tar · · Score: 1
      Don't worry though, at least you're not married, in which case if you forced her to stop, and she left you, she'd still get half of whatever you had left.

      Even then, he'd be better off.

      She'd take half his money and leave.

      Big deal.
      Now she's taking all his money and staying.

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    9. Re:This part of my girlfriends brain by Joebert · · Score: 1

      Better yet, give her a hard somthing else so she can't walk and doesn't need shoes.

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  13. Philip K. Dick day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow second Philip K. Dick reffrence in a row.

    1. Re:Philip K. Dick Day? by dubbreak · · Score: 1

      Web 2.0, the seond variety.

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    2. Re:Philip K. Dick Day? by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      They should mix it up a little more, there are plenty of fairly famous works out there that could be used. For instance, "Ask Slashdot: Is Second Life Filling Up? Make Room! Make Room!" or "US States Unify Age of Childhood's End".

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    3. Re:Philip K. Dick Day? by Jon+Luckey · · Score: 2, Funny

      First Do Electric Sheep Dream of Civil Rights? and now A Shopping-Scanner Darkly? Next article we'll undoubtedly be called Flow My Oily Tears, the Android Said.

      Hmm, why not BladeRIAAnner?

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  14. Philip K. Dick Day? by hansamurai · · Score: 4, Funny

    First Do Electric Sheep Dream of Civil Rights? and now A Shopping-Scanner Darkly? Next article we'll undoubtedly be called Flow My Oily Tears, the Android Said.

  15. Create RFID like device thar runs off brainwaves! by lrohrer · · Score: 1

    Its easy: Create an RFID device that can read brainwaves. It can be powered by the RF in the store.

  16. Who funded this research? by Da+Rabid+Duckie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Could it be Best Buy?

    I can see it now: the information they learn from this study ends up in their sales manuals on how to upsell customers and make them purchase more than what the needed/wanted.

    Joking, of course... but it could still happen.

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    1. Re:Who funded this research? by Billosaur · · Score: 1

      Could it be Best Buy?

      Possibly. And once they perfect a way to use this technology to deliver painful shocks unless you buy their crappy goods, they're going to change their name to "You Better Buy!".

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    2. Re:Who funded this research? by calderra · · Score: 1, Insightful

      upsell customers and make them purchase more than what the needed/wanted. That's not a joke. Ever wonder why Best Buy employees are always so keen to sell you CD-Rs, or cables, or gift cards, or magazine subscriptions, or to get you to go online and fill out a survey, (ect)? Also, the razor model of profit for new electronic devices rests solely on this principle- sell a device at a loss or near cost, and make it back on all the extras you can sell to consumers. Modern business IS talking people into buying what they don't need/want.

      See also: Telemarketing, SPAM, Publisher's Clearing House (although that's also technically a lottery)...

    3. Re:Who funded this research? by StarvingSE · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I used to work at Micro Center, and this is clearly where their business is headed. Sales people work on commission. They then changed the model so that you earn very little commission on the actual computer you sell, and a lot on the extras you sell with it. I don't work there anymore, but some friends of mine who do say that pretty soon they will earn next nothing on a computer system if it is sold without any extras.

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  17. Proof at last by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We always knew Slashdot was full of Dicks. Today's titles prove it!

  18. No wonder... by dr_strang · · Score: 1

    One of the main findings was that rather than weighing a choice between the pleasure of making a purchase and the delayed gratification of using the dough for something else, the brain is actually weighing between the pleasure of buying and the pain of forking over the cash.

    Well, duh. That's why everyone's in credit card debt up to their eyeballs.

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  19. This study would work well with eBay... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Show them all sorts of products with insanely low prices (new 19" LCDs from $99, 300 GB hard drives from $30, etc, etc) and see their reaction. Obviously, it will be positive. Then show them the (obviously) marked up shipping costs ($100 for the monitor, $70 for the hard drive). Then they should react negatively. Continue with the pattern until you find a point at which the person no longer is interested in low prices and considers looking at higher priced items to see if the shipping cost is normal.

    Certainly would have interesting results...

  20. Can we try for three PKD puns in a row? by gmezero · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can we? Can we?

  21. University of Chicago's 9.4 Tesla MRI by maynard · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The University of Chicago has recently installed a 9.4 Tesla superconducting magnet for fMRI brain research. They claim this MRI can resolve down to individual neurons, and can even watch them fire. A press report is available here.

  22. Wow... two PKD references in a row by McNihil · · Score: 1

    ScuttleMonkey did you get PKD's work for christmas or something? ;-)

  23. I call shenanigans! by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

    This is Slashdot. You have no girlfriend.

    1. Re:I call shenanigans! by cheesygrapes · · Score: 1

      That's why he was modded 5: funny.

  24. Get your tinfoil hats ready by rhyre417 · · Score: 1

    Marketers are getting addicted to functional MRIs. You can protect yourself by shielding yourself from functional MRI technology :-)
    But that won't be effective forever.
    Seriously, though, just comparison shop before you leave for the store.
    Make a list of what you need (essentials), and a separate list of what you want (luxuries).
    Good luck, and be careful out there.

    1. Re:Get your tinfoil hats ready by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      You can protect yourself by shielding yourself from functional MRI technology

      Are wrenches as effective against fMRI machines as they are against regular MRI machines? ;)

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      If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
    2. Re:Get your tinfoil hats ready by dogmatixpsych · · Score: 1

      Except that the machine will just rip that tin-foil hat off your head as you walk by and align all those spinning protons and measure the oxygenated hemoglobin in your brain anyway. You can't win dude, you can't win. :)

    3. Re:Get your tinfoil hats ready by venicebeach · · Score: 1
      Are wrenches as effective against fMRI machines as they are against regular MRI machines? ;)
      I know you're joking, but I thought I would point out that it's not a different machine. Functional MRI uses the same MRI scanner, just different pulse sequences and techniques for processing the data. So yes, a wrench will do if you want to take out your local fMRI research lab, but please don't. :)
    4. Re:Get your tinfoil hats ready by ryanbaird · · Score: 1

      Ahh yes, but then you fall into the classic trap. The fMRI Machines are subsidized by the tin foil producers.

  25. Reverse the process? by Mogster · · Score: 0
    I'm not a neurologist (or any other kind of brain expert) but as I understand it the brain works on a series of electro-chemical reactions and extremely low frequency signals (feel free to correct me on how this works).

    FTFA

    The researchers found that when the participants were presented with the products, a subcortal brain region known as the nucleus accumbens that is associated with the anticipation of pleasure was activated. When the subjects were presented with prices that were excessive, two things happened: the brain region known as the insula was activated and a part of the brain associated with balancing gains versus losses -- the medial prefrontal cortex -- was deactivated. Would it be possible to determine the frequencies which cause these regions to respond? Imagine retailers beaming a 'Buy me! Buy me!' signal straight into your brain.

    *gets his tinfoil hat ready for the next trip to the mall*
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    1. Re:Reverse the process? by venicebeach · · Score: 1

      What fMRI measures is changes in blood oxygenation, which we have good reason to believe is related to changes in brain activity. Oxygenated and deoxygenated blood have different magnetic properties, and this difference can be picked up with MRI. When a brain region becomes more active, the proportion of oxy to deoxy hemoglobin increases. This change in blood flow is quite slow, peaking about 6 seconds after the onset of neural activity. So fMRI is not able to detect the fast oscillatory patterns of neurons.

      That can be achieved with EEG, which allows the recording of neuronal oscillations, and frequency analysis as you suggest. However EEG, performed at the scalp, is not going to pick up a deep structure like the nucleus accumbens.

      Can the EEG be "entrained" by an external signal? Maybe to some degree, but not in a focal way, at least at this point. The best way we have for noninvasively affecting brain activity at this point is probably transcranial magnetic stimulation, but that can't be done from a distance without your knowledge, and is still quite crude.

      In short, for the time being the best way for Best Buy to manipulate you is through visual advertisement and by talking to you.

  26. Spending others' money? by Dan+Slotman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can see two likely results from this phenomenon. First, impulse purchases will be for a relatively low amount of money. People are less reluctant to part with a couple bucks. Secondly, larger purchases will be planned. The planning allows the purchaser to justify releasing the larger amount money.

    I'd like to know if this extends to purchases made with others' money. Does a company purchase agent's brain operate the same way? Several jokes have been made in earlier threads about women buying shoes with the posters' credit card--does this effect still occur when the purchaser isn't personally responsible for the spending?

  27. The "pain" of forking over cash... by turrican · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've stated for years that when writing out checks for bills and such that it "physically pains me" to do so.

    I'll have to show this article to my significant other as scientific proof that I'm not just being dramatic when I say that.

  28. scanners by trb · · Score: 1

    The scanners at the supermarket make enough errors when they're tallying my groceries. Why would I trust them to scan my brain?

  29. One More Reason by aquatone282 · · Score: 0, Troll

    . . . my tin-foil hat is looking better and better to you n00bs.

    Hah!

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  30. Profit? by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not only that, you're going to zap every credit and debit card within an appreciable radius and I'm thinking you'll know pretty quickly if the guy in line next to you has a pacemaker or any other metallic implants.

    OTOH, a lot of jewelry and loose change is going to fly to the center of the machine when you fire it up in the checkout line, so that may offset your costs somewhat.

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  31. Re:Create RFID like device thar runs off brainwave by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1

    unless the RFID-like device can lower the price I'm not interested.

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  32. Get your foil hats out guys by Zex_Suik · · Score: 1

    I'm fairly certain this will be turned around and allow someone to broadcast a "buy" wave into a store. Now if we peeons could mass together and develop some sort of "pay wave" (trademarked by me) we could all be better off.

    1. Re:Get your foil hats out guys by Joebert · · Score: 1
      I'm fairly certain this will be turned around and allow someone to broadcast a "buy" wave into a store.

      K-Mart started doing that years ago, it's called the Blue Light Special.
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  33. RE: "I sometimes wonder if god's just a mean kid." by Dareth · · Score: 1

    What if our whole Universe is just God's equivalent of an 8th grade project and he got a D-?
    To be fair he did work a whole week on it, well there was that seventh day he rested.

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  34. Economist Over-Think by adavies42 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    One of the main findings was that rather than weighing a choice between the pleasure of making a purchase and the delayed gratification of using the dough for something else, the brain is actually weighing between the pleasure of buying and the pain of forking over the cash.

    Well, duh. Only economists actually think about opportunity cost. Everyone else considers spending vs. not spending. (Not to say they're wrong, since they're not, it's just that they have a tendency to over-estimate the depth of thought people put into economic decisions.)

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  35. Jumping to conclusions? by SedgeFan · · Score: 1

    "One of the main findings was that rather than weighing a choice between the pleasure of making a purchase and the delayed gratification of using the dough for something else, the brain is actually weighing between the pleasure of buying and the pain of forking over the cash." It doesn't seem the researchers actually tested whether buyers are weighing delayed gratification. All they demonstrated was that buyers consider whether the price for the item is fair; I'm sure that is what everyone does before they decide to purchase now, or something that will be purchased later. Also, is saying "here's 20 bucks for free, go and spend it in our elaborate experiement" really replicating the scenerio in which people make purchasing decisions? Don't we normally have to earn our money?

    1. Re:Jumping to conclusions? by Profound · · Score: 1

      Cash is fungible (which is kind of the point).

  36. Re: "I sometimes wonder if god's just a mean kid." by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... God's equivalent of an 8th grade project and he got a D-?

    Who is qualified to rate God's work?

  37. Depends on your mindset by phorm · · Score: 1

    I tend to alamgamate my bills on one credit-card or bank account. I check it regularly, and watch that it stays under a certain amount with a two-week (pay) period. Yes, paying cash would work too, but one of the nice things about being connected is that I can constantly monitor my finances and adjust my spending accordingly, plus I gain travel points (others get cash-back etc) on my Visa, as well as various guarantees (backcharge is wonderful), that just don't come with cash. Of course I also always pay my balance on time. Always.

  38. Re: "I sometimes wonder if god's just a mean kid." by WhyDoYouWantToKnow · · Score: 1

    well there was that seventh day he rested

    Yep, and in the words of Mr Strickland.

    "You're a slacker! You remind me of your father when he went here. He was a slacker, too."

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  39. I'm not sure that all of it... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure that is all of it for most people though. I have seen a dozen guys that all make between $60k and $160k, waiting for 15 minutes in line for a free tee shirt or pen.

  40. Easier Payment - More Sales? by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

    "One of the main findings was that rather than weighing a choice between the pleasure of making a purchase and the delayed gratification of using the dough for something else, the brain is actually weighing between the pleasure of buying and the pain of forking over the cash."

    I guess this also means that making paying easier would result in more sales. I've long suspected this is true. Can anyone confirm or deny?

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    1. Re:Easier Payment - More Sales? by Profound · · Score: 1

      Sure. Look at credit cards. Aside from making transactions easier and more abstract, they also increase consumption by allowing you to spend tomorrow's money today.

  41. Home Depot by User+956 · · Score: 3, Funny

    shouldn't they perhaps focus a little less on the actual putting of items in baskets, and suchlike, and a little more focus on the actual forking over of cash?

    Yeah, Home Depot's got that one nailed with their "self-checkout" debacle. They make you focus on the forking-over-of-cash so hard that it makes you want to leave your pile of crap at the register and go shop somewhere else.

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    1. Re:Home Depot by nasch · · Score: 1
      Yeah, Home Depot's got that one nailed with their "self-checkout" debacle. They make you focus on the forking-over-of-cash so hard that it makes you want to leave your pile of crap at the register and go shop somewhere else.
      Because... you don't think about the money you're spending when there's a cashier involved?
  42. Assumed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I worked in sales, thats what I assumed was the case. When and if a person gave any indication the product wasn't worth the money, it was my job to convince them just the opposite. This would increase the relative value of the product to the customer making them more willing to purchase the product and earn me a big fat commission.

  43. Makes sense to me by noisyfont · · Score: 1

    I can't help but thing that this is the whole point of money. By this I mean, money as oppose to barter. In the case of barter you explicitly have to worry what you are getting in exchange for your goods and what else you could get with these same goods (not all exchange are equivalent), while in the case of money you only need to worry about your overall purchasing power and how it would be reduced. Without this abstraction all exchange would be so much more complicated. If you thought about everything else we could buy with that money you could potentially make wiser choices, but the effort involve (transactional cost) would end up being prohibitive. So in a way, money is a simple abstraction that allows us reduce transactional cost at the expense of the optimal solution (I stress that this is at our discretion for each transaction with money). In way, this is how I interprete their finding.

  44. Please provide PayPal account. by delire · · Score: 1
    ..the brain is actually weighing between the pleasure of buying and the pain of forking over the cash.
    What? Buying somehow induces pleasure, yet diminishing my personal capital overall somehow registers as some kind of pain? I think I get it..

    Research of such prowess, of such searing insight, deserves every tax-paying dollar it can muster. We can only hope no one else somehow - oh, I don't know - builds a business around developing strategies to alleviate this apparent discomfort to our disadvantage.

    Good work team, I think you're onto something. Whatever you do, don't stop now!
  45. This is not really new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    These researches must not have done their homework properly - classic psychology has always implied that human decision making can be distilled into two primary motives:
    • To avoid pain
    • To gain pleasure.

    This is basic stuff! As far as I know it isn't in doubt.

    Ah well, so much news, so little wisdom. :P

    David
  46. Close but no cigar by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Funny
    In short, for the time being the best way for Best Buy to manipulate you is through visual advertisement and by talking to you.

    No, the best way would be to have half naked women sidle up to you and tell you they will go home with you only if you buy something expensive.

    I, for one, would welcome our half naked female overlords.

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  47. No chance by aepervius · · Score: 1

    Blade runner is the tittle of the film from which "Do androids dream of electronic sheep" (yeah the submitter mangled it a bit). SInce balde runner is not at all from PK dick you would not see it as a rightful title. OTOH the little black box, the terran odissey, solar lotery, valis etc... Are PK dick title. As is "We will remmember it for you wholesale !" (Total recall). And one another minority report, and paycheck.

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  48. The "pleasure" of forking over cash... by peter303 · · Score: 1

    My wife finds it a pleasure to fork over my cash.