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Nokia's iPhone, No Seriously
Several readers have written to tell us that Engadget has a look at Nokia's visions for the future. "It was presented during Nokia's GoPlay event this morning as a glimpse into the future of Nokia interface design. Oh, and it's due out next year. When pressed during the Q&A about the striking similarity to the little Cupertino device, Anssi Vanjoki — Nokia's Executive VP & General Manager of Multimedia — said, 'If there is something good in the world then we copy with pride.' Well, ok then."
Not even a Stanza...
But maybe I can mod this, and make a trade for a refurbed Segway.
Well, in any case, I'm holding out for the ZunePhone...
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This will be based on Symbian's S60 4.0 new version btw, not Linux. It's just the evolution of their S60 smartphone platform.
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or just Desperation
Why are there two iPhone stories right after each other? Haven't we heard enough about the iPhone yet?
The only way I'd buy an iPhone-like device is if it wasn't from Apple. I hate their overly-controlling, overpriced, pay for the brand name, turbo-hype, and looks over functionality. Nokia on the other hand just makes phones and they're good.
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I guess that beats everyone else's motto; "If there is something good in the world, aquire dubious IP then SUE SUE SUE!".
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I would say it is like Apple iPhone, very nice features and easy to use but the most difficult thing to use is the telephone feature.
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I read the article before seeing it here. Nokia says they were displaying there touch screen technology. The fact they chose a hardware platform that looked...familiar is simply been reason for a few chuckles. So it's an OS thing more then a hardware thing. They probably could have done it with a less obvious knock-off, but I'm sure they needed something fast with the right screen size to display the feature.
Quack, quack.
The HTC Touch - nice interface, small form factor. Okay, so it's not made by Mr Jobs and Co, but it's a damn nice piece of kit. Works with corporate email (read Exchange), has a decent camera, no network lock-in, and it's cheaper.
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Yes, the Apple fanboys will say it's Microsoft-based, but the fact is; it's a damn fine piece of kit - oh yeah, and you can write proper software apps for it using
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I for one just want a phone that makes calls well, has TTY/TTD functionality and I can IM with. I have a Samsung u740 and so far it's great. http://www.samsungmobileusa.com/u740/
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I'm actually pretty excited to see iPhone features make their way into non Apple products. Sure it is blatant idea theft. Sure Nokia is leeching whatever "coolness" they can from Apples form factor. Who cares? We have PCs that aren't proprietary because of blatant idea theft. Hell, we really wouldn't have spinning cubes in Linux were it not for ideas presented in other operating systems. Noah Wylie, while playing Steve Jobs said that "good artists copy, great artists steal". I do not mind getting quality (if Apple like) features at a lower price than Apple is willing to offer.
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It'll live or die from the software it supports. Maybe if they open it up to developers more it will pressure apple to as well.
And a featureless slot? That's Just like my Lady's Birthday Suit!
Umm, someone just took a video editing program, and replaced the Apple with Nokia. People on Slashdot AND Digg seem to not be picking up on this yet.
It's clearly a poke at Nokia saying, "They are simply going to rip off Apple after the iPhone, and we think they'd go this far". Come on people! Apple DID file a handful of patents on this.
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I'm not so sure that the finished model will end up looking like this; the European iPhone launch is seemingly due to happen shortly, and it makes perfect sense for Nokia to remind people that there is something better just around the corner.
Nokia's high-end products have always been head and shoulders above the rest. Its current top of the range models are arguably better than the iPhone, possibly excepting the design and touchscreen. When Nokia do launch this device, or a similar one, I've no doubt it will support technologies such as HSDPA (3.5G), multimedia messages, uPnP media sharing, third party (unsigned) applications and all the multimedia functions us Europeans have come to expect from Nokia's "multimedia computers".
There is no doubt in my mind that Apple are the proverbial Rolls Royce of desktop computing, however I'm not too sure of their credentials in the global mobile telephony market - I just don't believe they "get it".
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Didn't Apple file a bunch of patents related to the iPhone and specifically the touch screen?
How long before we see Apple's lawyers get on Nokia for patent infringement?
and then there's carbon-copying. Which this is. It doesn't just resemble the iPhone or steal ideas from it - everything I saw in the technology demo was EXACTLY the same.
So not dubious - shameless. Yeesh.
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Yeah, well, I hope their final production model isn't touchscreen-only. No physical buttons means no tactile interface. I know that doesn't sound like a big deal, but I realized there was a lot I was taking for granted when I actually owned a touchscreen phone. Slick design shouldn't trump usability.
Come on what is the big deal about this thing. The iPhone has a touch-screen interface, which is really its great innovation. Nokia has made a touch-screen interface to their OS, the iPhone has shown its a great way to have a small communication device with a small footprint. What do you expect for a touch-screen phone other one big display? Granted this will probably be much better in many ways for, more hackable, more bleeding edge hardware/features, but its just the inevitable, big screen with few buttons, buttons are wasted space on very small form-factor devices. Touch screens are where little phones with lots of usability are going.
Sometimes I think the discussions on Slashdot are pretty dumb, but that Engadget discussion is a whole order of magnitude more dumb. I guess it's because it involves Apple.
It's not the hardware that makes this an iPhone clone, it's the look and feel of the interface. Hell from that poor quality video they posted even the UI colours seem to be the same.
Also Apple have patents on the UI behaviour up the wazoo.
On the other hand Nokia won't lock their device to particular networks, make it unlockable, and sell it with 2G EDGE only. On the other hand, it isn't out yet. If this is as early as Apple's previews, then Nokia won't have anything on the market for at least 6 months.
What this does show is the market moving on from rather static 2D PDA-style interfaces. Apple are a bit player right now, but Nokia are pretty major. This puts pressure on Microsoft, who have just released their WM2006 product - a classic 2D PDA-like OS, when the competition is moving to slicker, smoother, easier-to-use and intuitive interfaces that are far more function centric than application centric.
Nokia: More mature interface with features and market experience vs. historical cruft to deal with, and Symbian.
Apple: No cruft to deal with, but lack market experience and features, which will be made up by system updates possibly. Very small marketshare currently, US-only. Too restrictive right now.
Microsoft: Let's hope that some of our OEMs develop fancy interfaces on top of our base OS. Very flexible. ActiveSync nightmare.
When the iPhone came out, I knew it would only be a matter of time before competitors start knocking it off. Just wait a year or so, and you'll be able to get something that functions even better than the iPhone for a much cheaper price.
And it's the "pinnacle of human achievement".
I'm just waiting for OpenMoko to finish their beta.
They want their story back.... the headline's even ripped.. come on guys. "http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/29/nokias-iphone- no-seriously/"
iPhone "features"? Like what? A touchscreen? oh geez, thats never been done before. A phone? Wow, had to wait for apple to do that. able to play music? Thank god apple finally brought us that never before seen function. What would we do without apple?
'If there is something good in the world then we copy with pride.'
Remember, kids. Copying someone's "intellectual property" is A-OK if you're a mega-corporation, but a crime if you're trading MP3's in your basement. Got that? Good.
How sad is it that Nokia, Samsung, etc., like Microsoft, could have innovated, but instead, have to be dragged to the party. So much for Nordic design skills! Why is it left to one company, and one CEO, to drive mainstream tech innovation and clean interface design? Apple's patents and superior UI abilities will ensure the iPhone copies are nothing more than adequate, and as we've seen with Microsoft, adequate is considered good enough for the majority of the world.
I have friends with that phone-very nice indeed. Too bad it's Verizon only :(
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Frankly, for the last two years I've kept a Razr and a video iPod crammed in my pocket, and I'm happy to have one device, that also gives me internet when I need it, in a single device. I wish it had 3G and some other things, but it's also a first generation device. The first iPod kinda sucked too, but not so bad it didn't make a big impact.
Regarding price, AT&T, and other 'problems' people talk about, get over it. If T-mobile is better for you, go with 'em. Nobody is forcing you to use an iPhone if you don't want to.
By analogy: When I was shopping for a car recently I looked at cool 50K sports car that only seats 2. Well, I drive around with friends a lot and a 4 seater is much more my speed, and I got one with lots of power for about $30K. I could say, as some do with the iPhone, "It only seats two and costs $50K! I can get a 4 seater for half that." So get the freakin' 4 seater.
The iPhone is clearly a luxury device designed for a certain market, but not all markets. Is all the griping over this to protect a moron from going into and Apple store, dropping $600 and saying, "WAit, this isn't what I wanted at all." People aren't that dumb, and if they are and have that kind of money, let 'em. Frankly, no cell phone could be perfect, especially with this group. Someone did an analysis on Slashdot I think of the 'ideal' mobile device and then proved it couldn't be made by any one manufacturer because of patent and licensing issues. Go get the phone with the features you want. I showed my iPhone to my parents and they said, "Hmm, we just need a phone that makes phone calls." So I helped them find a simple phone with big buttons because that's what they needed.
Or is all the griping because you secretly want an iPhone and are frustrated because you can't justify the cost because it doesn't have a feature you truly need. Hmm. I think a lot of the bitching about the AT&T lockout is becuase people still have contracts they can't cancel and really want one. Life's not fair (and yeah, as an AT&T customer for some time now they kinda suck, but what tradeoffs are you willing to make?) IF you're not willing, nobody is forcing you to.
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I think Nokia should continue focusing on building out thier camera phones. They had a very good thing going with it. Just needed to increase the reliability a bit to fix the poweroff issues.
If this isn't the truth, I don't know what is.
The funny thing is that Nokia offers several great devices which should compete with the iPhone at half the price, but the iPhone defenders immediately point to the UI as justifying the cost. Once the UI is similar (and perhaps improved) in the Nokia product, what will the defense be then?
Apple didn't invent the smart phone. They didn't invent the MP3 player, or camera. You could argue that the Newton was a huge innovator, except it flopped.
Apple is not above copying the technology of someone else and claiming they invented it. Look at Spaces. I saw an interview with Jobs where he flat out claimed to have invented this huge innovation in multiple desktops, never mind this technology has been around for near a decade. I wouldn't be shocked if Apple's implementation is different, but they certainly don't innovate nearly as much as the fanatics would have you believe.
The primary reason I switched from Windows to Linux as opposed to OS X was how much I am put off by the deception of Apple's marketing, and the ardent OS X fanatics who can't see any reason. Microsoft and Linux also have fanatics no doubt, but I suppose I find the Linux camp the most reasonable.
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Nokia has had touch-sensitive smartphones / PDAs for ages. The same goes for Qtek and a lot of other Asian and European brands. I was always amazed at the success the Blackberry had in the USA (by European / Asian standards it seems like something out of the early 90s) until I went to the USA and saw what crappy sell phones you people have been living with. No wonder the iPhone was such a big deal in the US.
But the fact is, pretty much any Qtek PDA or Nokia "tablet" cellphone beats it in specifications, features, battery life and audio quality (and they're unlocked by default, and cheaper). The only interesting thing the iPhone adds is the multi-touch screen (you still can't type on it quickly, though).
The Nokia model shown in this article isn't very different from models they've had for over 3 years now (and some Asian brands have had for 5).
I agree. My favorite interface for a phone seemingly died ages ago, though I hear iPods offer it. I miss the jog-dial. With it, I could easily operate my phone with my left hand while doing something else. I really love my Samsung slider, though I wish the buttons offered even more in the way of tactile feedback. For instance some phones have tiny ridges on some of the numeric keys to act almost as home-keys, so it is easier to avoid mis-dialing a phone number when you're not looking.
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You've probably never used a Nokia Communicator, an N800 or even an N70, let alone a high-end Qtek PDA (ex., Qtek 9000), right? Thought so.
The iPhone might look very impressive in the USA, where cell phones seem to have been stuck in the early 90s (your theory that Motorola was ever "the cellphone of choice" confirms this), but it's a joke compared to any modern european or asian smartphone. Why do you think Apple is limiting it to the US? Because that's the only place where they'll be able to sell something so underpowered for such a high price. Sure, there are some Apple fanbois in Europe too, but there's also real competition (phones come unlocked, and there are lots of operators). The iPhone needs to go through at least three iterations until it is ready to be sold in Europe and Asia, and the competition (Nokia, Qtek, Sony-Ericsson, etc.) aren't exactly sitting still.
... how much demand there is for an open platform, for service providers and applications. I already have an AT&T account, but the closed nature of the iPhone is what made me decide not to buy it as a replacement for my blackberry.
In my estimation, Jobs really blew it by not opening up the hardware with a public, free-as-in-beer API. Maybe there's a larger strategy at work where they will release it later, after it's been hacked, so they can adjust the technology to suit their business needs: fair enough, I guess. However, just like the PSP, I'll be waiting until there's enough of an underground community supporting third party apps AND open service provisions before I submit my hard earned money.
I saw an interview with Steve Jobs a few weeks ago where he said that a phone shouldn't be like a computer, where you can install applications as you like, because of the fragility of the platform and OS: you wouldn't want your phone to lock up like a computer does when you install something that's broken. How many "casual" users are going to do this? Very few.
As much as I respect him for what he's done for society and its relationship with computers, this seems like an extremely out of touch perspective.
Sorry, Mr. Jobs. It's a computer. Start treating it like one before you make another colossal mistake!
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It seems that you don't understand how Nokia works. Nokias competitive advantage isn't design or superior technology, it's main competitive advantage is mass production of phones and phone models. Yes, Nokia doesn't just produce massive amounts of phones, it produces massive amounts of different phone models. The idea is simple, produce as many phone models as quickly as you can, and hope that at least few will be big hits and the others will just do.
It also seems that you really don't have a grasp of mobile phone markets. Nokia isn't just top at the moment, they have been for almost the last 10 years at the top. They currently have 37% market share globally. They are the most profitable mobile phone company not just now, but have been for the long time being. When we look at technology, production and marketing abilities, there really isn't any other phone company as Nokia.
On technology wise Symbian is the number one mobile OS. It was originally developed for the handhelds and has been powering them from the days of Psion. Most of the smart phones in the world are powered by Symbian and the platform has support not just from Nokia and Sony-Ericsson, but from other handset manufacturers also. As what comes to interface, yes the iPhone has a pretty interface which polished to death, but news flash, that same polishing can be found from the newer phones. Also it should be noted, it just isn't one interface Nokia is catering, they have Series 60, they are Series 40, they customize and try quite a lot. They may not be as innovative as Apple, but why be when they can just copy, imitate and mass produce.
As to your question about what happens when and if Apple will produce its low market version of iPhone, the answer to that one is easy: Nokia will just copy it, produce handful of new models, drop margins if needed for those phones and make sure that there is no way for Apple to succeed in the market. Actually I would argue that for now it's even impossible for Apple to try to gain any strong foothold from the markets, they have shown their cards are they are being copied and out imitated. It should also be noted that Apple isn't known to play in the mass production league, they are a company serving niche segments and are to do that with a bigger gross margin.
I would suggest that you take a visit to a Nokia NYCs Store or maybe visit their European pages to see on just what and how much they offer. Nokias European homepage
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This is hardly the biggest announcement today, though it may be fake the GPhone seems to be gathering a lot of buzz.
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The GPhone!
Too bad Slashdot didn't run this, it would have made an interesting conversation even if it was fake
My current phone is free (totally) so buying an expensive one kind of sucks, the prices are massively inflated (as evidenced by their lake of VOIP software), the Gphone doesn't seem to have these problems as much as it has advertising problems (which might be solved with say the ability to use "delivery pizza" to have it suggest a pizza place)... A Free phone with VOIP and the ability to hook up to any GSM provider would be totally kickass.
It's not the OpenMoko but it'll do to show the telecoms the future. They can panic and make their service better or they can grab for quick profits and speed the transition, I don't care which they choose (I already have a free phone remember). Cell phone bills are way too high, they shouldn't need 3 hours of service [$10 hr x 3] per phone, that's just crazy talk.
People don't want forty different phones to chose from, they don't want to have to learn this lesson the hard way by purchasing an expensive product that is critically lacking in mysterious ways. Consider one very common mis-feature. The address book limitations on phones with many MB of memory exist for one reason and one reason only: as a lever to up-sell people to a more expensive phone model. Heck, I was willing to pay, but the top of the line phones have weird differences, too. For two years they didn't make a phone that I was willing to pay for, and I was highly motivated by dissatisfaction with my current phones.
iPhone has many interesting features that a whole bunch of people were looking for in a phone, in a single phone, in a single model of phone. This is a design philosophy that Apple carries through multiple product lines. Additional models of iPhone will undoubtedly emerge as technology marches on, but you will see something like the iPod and Macintosh lines. When more than one model emerges, it won't be arbitrary unbridled proliferation of models, it will be a reasonable and relatively rational set of models, addressing different price points or market segments. The obvious and simple price point differentiation in the coming years will be the amount of flash memory. Perhaps a 3G model with a camera on the front for video chat and video phone calls, but the current iPhone model stays around a while at a lower price point. You will never see forty different iPhone models for sale at one time, like you do from Nokia.
The entire Macintosh line has FireWire, ethernet, and several other useful things. You can't buy a Macintosh without them. Why not? Because they are useful things that *should* exist on every general purpose computer. You will likely never see an iPhone with a stupid arbitrary limit on the address book like you see in Nokia, Motorola, SE, Samsung, and nearly every other phone because it's a stupid game. Nokia, by harsh and desperate contrast, sought a few years ago to intentionally proliferate the number of different phone models that they create. It was a corporate strategy to try to elevate Nokia by seeming cool and hip and trendy by always changing the external package, and by mixing things up so much it was hard for people to compare. It's basically confuse-a-cat, played with the hapless consumer. It's a game they can play when nobody is out there trying to make a great phone that squeezes all the features consumers want into one package. Nokia's model proliferation games will probably continue, just as the PC world still sees useless stripped-down "bare bones PC systems foisted on hapless consumers who wind up spending more by the time they trick out their bare bones box into something they can actually use. It's a game that exists largely because consumers don't know how to assess the value of what they buy. It's a game Apple can't change, but they don't need to play, to win.
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It can't do multi-touch, but the iPhone won't even let me select a song as my ringtone. Some multimedia phone.
The iPhone won't let me replace the battery, it isn't 3G, Flash doesn't work on the web, CSS doesn't display correctly, it has a low resolution, and the latest PC World (which normally loves Apple products) ranked it fifth out of the 5 smart phones they tested. They said video quality was shockingly low, and the only real praise they had for it was audio output.
As a typical cell phone, it lacks most of the features that free phones offer these days like song ringtones, multimedia messaging, etc.
For $600, some of the real basic missing features are just flat-out shocking. And when you compare it to smart-phones, I'd much rather have a phone where I can add apps, but maybe that is just me.
However, that multi-touch function sure makes it all worthwhile.
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Their 770 and N800 tablets have touch screens, run Debian Linux and have WiFi and Bluetooth connectivity. They don't have a phone module but I suspect that's for the want of Linux drivers. They're a bit big to be a phone but a bit of development could produce a truly open competitor.
Instead of a clamshell with the screen and keyboard on the inside, put two touch screens on the outside. "Open" the phone so both screens are facing the viewer and then one becomes a virtual keyboard. When not needed for typing, the second screen finally provides enough resolution to effectively browse pages or run some types of programs. Instead of 480x240 on once screen, there'd be 480x480 combined.
could this be the ultimate, perfect and complete hand held device I blogged about hereo bile-device.html
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Apple admitted on their own website that it has issues with CSS Hover Menus. KDE's KHMTL passed the ACID 2 test, but not WebKit. Oddly enough WebKit has many improvements since it forked from KHTML, and KHTML also made improvements of their own. They are finally merging back together, and future versions of WebKit should pass ACID 2 the way that KHTML does, but not currently.
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Giving that feature is a child's game, others do it, why they fail to do so is incomprehensible.
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This all boils down to the fact that people want the iPhone. Not Nokia's "iPhone", but the real iPhone, whether it be on T-Mobile, Sprint, Verizon or any of the other networks, and they'll go to great lengths to get it. Mr. Jobs was right, it's a game changer. It's good to want.
Nokia and others will cram their "iPhone killers" full of "features" and other useless crap, but they will ALWAYS be something less than the real deal. We've seen this happen time and again with the "iPod killers" of the recent past.
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They don't have a phone module
.....phone?
Do they charge extra to be able to call or to use your phone as
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It's a smartphone with a touchscreen and well we're on Slashdot, so sth. comparable, but open source IS on topic.
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Phones that were late. Very late. And still unstable.
Especially when they did something bigger and not one of the iterative improvements (new design + new form factor + 3 megapixel cam instead of 2).
So don't expect too much from Nokia.
This may look different from the US, where Nokia phones reach the market months later than here in Europe. Most of the time the phones are stable then, but Europeans had to make two or three firmware updates. And god did I hate Nokia for not allowing customers to upgrade their phones themselves IIRC Nokia changed this, but I've got an SonyEricsson now).
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So who is copying who, huh? Nokia firsts
Webkit passed Acid2 before KHTML... some of the changes are still in dev builds I think though.
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Motorola would contend otherwise.
Car phones, that used a predecessor to radio "cells" without multiplexed signals, were developed by Bell Labs, and sold/leased by AT&T. This was in the post-war 1940's.
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Yes but those weren't mobile phones. Wikipedia says: "The Mobira Talkman, launched in 1984, was the world's first transportable phone. In 1987, Nokia introduced the world's first handheld phone, the Mobira Cityman 900."
If Apple says "you can't copy multi-touch" then Nokia says "fine your not allowed to sell any phones period." Apple might fight back with their more general PC patent portfolio, but Nokia's patents are more relevant here, plus Apple's software patents aren't valid in Europe while Nokia's patents are valid in the U.S.
Apple needs those patents just for entry into the phone market. Nokia has basically just said "we'd rather compete honestly with Apple, not just kill their trendy new product." And that's exactly what Apple wants too.
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Nokia could permanently stop all iPhone sales with it's own patent portfolio. Apple needs Nokia's good will here.
In fact there is only really ever one time when you can sue for patent infringement when you produce nothing youself & have nothing to lose.
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Gunmaker Smith & Wesson is planning to come out with their own take on convergence devices: the !Phone (pronounced bang-phone). When the firearm feature is discharged, it automatically calls 911 and uses GPS to report its location. Also included are orientation sensors to record its position and orientation when discharged for ballistic trajectory analysis (similar to features of the Nintendo Wii) and a fingerprint reader embedded in the trigger.
Shooting ranges will be equipped with devices that communicate with the firearm to inhibit the calling of 911 and instead log the information to your PDA or other portable computing device to analyze your shooting proficiency.
Of course. the !Phone can also be used to make phone calls. The keypad will be located on the left side of the grip (or right side for the left-handed model), the microphone at the base of the grip, and the speaker just below the tip of the barrel. Flipping the safety answers the call.
The !Phone accepts multiple batteries which are loaded in the clip. You can install more batteries for longer charge duration at the expense of ammunition at launch, but they are continuing development of a dual-purpose battery-bullet that can be fired once fully discharged.
A variety of !Phone holsters will be available.
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If Nokia comes out with an iPhone clone, I think that's great. There is no reason to let Apple monopolize this space.
Note that Apple's contribution with the iPhone isn't really technology (most of the technology was around long before), it's style and a commitment to ease-of-use. It's a good thing if other companies copy that.
This means that Nokia can spend far less on advertising, so offer their phone for less and on more reasonable terms. For example, they can let carriers subsidize the price as a reward for signing a contract, so to the customer, the iPhone will look twice as expensive as Nokia's potentially superior knockoff.
It's a brilliant move, and it costs Nokia almost nothing - minimal advertising and no wasted engineering effort, since every major phone company needs to develop a modern touch-screen interface anyway. Might as well catch a free ride on the Apple hype-wave while they're at it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_mobile_pho nesThe first handheld 1G mobile phone to become commercially available to the US market was the Motorola DynaTAC 8000X, which received approval in 1983.
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Why is the Apple Iphone the first pocket device to use a touch screen? HP has some really nice devices that have phone, run windows mobile(not a plus), has pocket windows and excel, has wifi, touch screen and a whole bunch of other stuff. Of course, I dont understand the appeal of an Ipod myself, since I can use any old cheapy mp3 player that uses SD cards to play my music. Or in my case, I can use my Ipaq with its touchscreen to listen to music, audiobooks, watch movies, etc.
I didn't say consumers were stupid, although in the Dilbert Principle sense of the term, they are. Consumer electronics are so complicated that people really don't know what they are buying, and don't realize when they are getting ripped off. If I had made this same argument about Windows vs. Linux, nobody here would have noticed because the argument is The Norm around here. Apply it to an Apple product, however, and suddenly I'm a New Labour / Apple fan boy. Good grief. Get your meds checked.
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iPhones have no cut&paste, limiting their smartphone usefulness, but Nokia's phone probably will, so Nokia's phone will be better, period.
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I agree whole heartedly with you.... but the iPhone doesn't sell on features it sells on pure sexiness.
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Since you haven't made much effort to persuade me otherwise, I maintain that there exists a design philosophy difference between Apple and the rest of the cell phone industry, and that this philosophy is a carry over from their PC design philosophy. Honestly, I didn't really expect the address book example to be contentious. Programmers (like bjourne) who understand the relative horse power requirements of different storage and search solutions should know that most phones on the market in the past several years had enough horse power to solve this problem, and there has been plenty of time. For crying out loud, iPhone was in development for three years. Apple designed a new phone from scratch. Surely Nokia or Motorola could have built a decent address book in all that time? The fact that they did not should tell you something. Furthermore, you don't need to be a programmer to get this. Anybody who has ever filled up their address book should know the frustration of being forced to pick which ones to carry with you on your phone. I chose this example, rather than others, because quite honestly it's not really controversial and it's pretty easy to understand.
There are counter examples, of course, perhaps there will soon be another, ring tones, which we are likely to discover next week will be absurdly restricted on iPhone: you'll be able to pay to use any section of a song you like as a ringtone, but you might not be able to use your own audio files as ringtones. If that happens, it will be an interesting counter example to my argument. Note, however, other music related restrictions that people didn't like about iTunes (e.g. DRM) turned out to be due to the requirements of industry partners, and Apple has been quietly working in the background to move the industry away from excessively restrictive DRM, at signifiant risk to Apple's own business model, I might add, as evidenced by today's announcement regarding NBC Universal. (DRM is only one factor in that negotiation, of course, but it is a factor.)
It would be amusing to run style (1) comparing a large sample of Anonymous Coward postings to those by logged in users. If you really think the words I use are too big, please consider that you came to Slashdot, not ZDNet, and presumably nobody forced you. Didn't you know that Paul Murphy uncovered the astounding truth that Slashdot posts have an average reading grade level higher than some other tech industry rag forums (see: Are Mac Users Smarter Than PC Users? )? The Macintouch crowd put us Slashdot geeks to shame, though, so we can't get too smug. Yeah, I'm perhaps a bit of a geek, since I really do read the dictionary for fun sometimes. And Dude... uh... like, did you fail to notice that I'm posting a series of connected statements intended to establish a proposition, logged in using my real true name no less, while you are calling me names as an anonymous coward? I'm definitely not worried about being perceived as the friendless geek with no social skills in this conversation. Since I don't care what you think, try calling me a sociopath next. You'll still be wrong, but you'll get to use a big word and I won't be much affected by your tantrum. Heck, maybe you're not a pedant, you only play one on Slashdot. Perhaps I give you insufficient credit for a fine sarcastic wit.
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1) The Original poster said it ranked "Fifth out of Five" not "Fifth out of Ten".
2) They seemed to have placed emphasis on being able to load other software - I would say that's already been mitigated for most technical people, but it implies the ranking for other phone aspects is artificaially lowered because of it. It's all about what you are looking for in a phone/PDA...
Thanks for the link.
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