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Comet Unexpectedly Brightens a Millionfold
swordgeek writes "Comet 17P/Holmes, a relatively obscure and (until a few days ago) dim object, has suddenly flared to be literally a million times brighter, going from magnitude 18 to 2.8. It is just outside of the constellation Perseus, which puts it high in the sky and ideal for viewing at this time of year. The comet still appears starlike even in binoculars but should grow to several arcminutes across over the next few nights. The comet is now readily visible to the naked eye. This is a completely unexpected once-in-a-lifetime event, so get out your finest optics (even if it's just your eyes) and go comet watching!"
i don't think we've seen a really big bright comet in how long? hasn't it been decades, or centuries even? anywhere in the world?
i mean a really big bright one that eats the whole sky
we need a big bright comet because history teaches us that warring factions oftentimes stop their fighting and lay down their arms when shocked at the sight
so we need a big bright comet pronto
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Perhaps I'll go look. Despite all the hype, Halley was a bust. Kohoutek may have been the comet of the century, but that was last century. I hope this one doesn't disappoint.
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Does anyone have any idea why this comet has suddenly got so much brighter? Presumably it is flying past a star but surely it would do this on a fairly regular basis.
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I remember a group of people waiting for you. Some 32 people in some large farm house or something in California. All wearing some kind of black clothing and Nike shoes. They took your promise to come in 1999 or so and committed suicide but you are coming so late. OK atleast the rest of the believers can now die and meet you.
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When the clouds clear up, and the rain stops.
Oh, right, UK.
Never.
According to SpaceWeather.com, not only did the comet brighten unexpectedly, it "... has no tail, [and] a remarkable golden color ...". Unless the geometry of the sun-earth-comet trio is such that the tail is pointing directly away from the earth, you'd think there'd be a massive tail given the million-fold increase in brightness.
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The comet is now readily visible to the naked eye.
WARNING
Do not look into the comet with your remaining eye.
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Looking at the last link in the summary I think we ought to be able to see it
Look for Cassiopeia ( a big and fairly obvious W or M in the sky) and track your eyes downward from it. It's going to be just down to the left of the bright star Mirfak in Perseus.
I wonder what the reason for the brightening is? Maybe it hit Voyager.
This is not an eclipse, so you should be able to watch it from the UK, clouds permitting. If you are worried about latitude, you can check the low-cost flights to Spain and come to watch it from here over the weekend. I think you can see Perseus from the UK, anyway.
Sorry old bean but the comet will be hidden by the smog dontcha know.
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Last I heard, the Earth rotates, and since we are both in the Northern hemisphere and even roughly the same latitude, you should be able to use the same chart -- http://media.skyandtelescope.com/images/Comet+Holmes+Finder_l.jpg
Well, umm, the UK and the US are not that different in latitude, and as for the east-west thing, last I checked the earth makes a complete revoluion every day.
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Where's the Argo/Yamato? Tell 'em to power up the Wave Motion Gun to deal with this intergalatic menace!
I didn't think the house band in Hell would play this badly.
If you're in the UK you won't see it, due to the permanent cloud cover and rain, so don't worry about it!
However it should be pretty much overhead in the middle of the night in the NE sky, look for the Perseus constellation. Everyone in the northern hemisphere should be able to spot it according to TFA.
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I think it means that the Avatar's discorporated one of the Shadowlords. Two more to go!
It's raining and overcast here, you insensitive clod!
(and always is for any significant astronomical phenomenon)
I'm not familiar with the scale used to measure magnitude so I looked it up in Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparent_magnitude Can anyone explain to me why it goes -1.7, -0.7, 0, -0.24, 3, 4.6...?
I hope it comes close enough to hitch a ride!
Read Jules Verne "Off on a Comet", at Gutenburg
Decent story if you can get past the antisemitism.
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i'm talking like this
or this
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...high in the sky and ideal for viewing at this time of year.
On what part of the planet? Northern hemosphere or southern? The Americas or Asia? What time of night (or day)?
In 1974, the American media were excitedly predicting a very bright comet named Kahoutek, and then when it appeared wrote how dissapointing the show was, that it wasn't even visible.
I was in Thailand that year, Kahoutek drowned out all the stars in half the sky there.
Some of you folks need to learn that the internet is a global phenomena and not restricted to your own country. Is this thing visible in my country (US)? What part of the sky, and what time? If I can see it, people in Australia can't.
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This comet orbits between 2.2 and 5.2 AU and it's last closest approach to the Sun was in May, 2007: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17P/Holmes. An AU is the average distance between the Sun and the Earth.
Comet crusts, the dark stuff that is left over after the ice sublimates, are thought to conduct heat slowly. One theory on why we see outbursts as comets move away from the Sun, as this one is doing, is that the warming pulse from the closest approach takes time to sink down to a reservior of carbon monoxide gas which then sublimate internally and blows off fairly large chunks of the comet. Another theory is that the same thermal pulse reaches a reservior of amorphous water ice, which is more common in space than crystalline ice and thus might be present in comets since their formation. When amorphous ice is warmed, it will become crystalline and release energy because the ordered state of crystaline ice is a lower energy state. This can lead to a chain reaction of further crystallization and energy release that could lead to enough warming to cause sublimation in the interior and then do the same kind of thing as in the carbon monoxide scenario.
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Ill have time this weekend, I think ill get the telescope out and see what I can see.
;)
It is always fun to check out new objects that show up in the sky.
I'm bemused by the CIA World Factbook's statement on the UK page that says, "more than one-half of the days are overcast". Is this unusual in the rest of the world?
"It was a dark and twisted night..."
perhaps the impending doom of a cataclysmic event triggered by a slashdot 10-year party. so many nerds in one place.... definitely cataclysmic.
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You think that's unexpected?
Wait until it suddenly changes direction!
Now thatwill be unexpected!
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That should be "reservior of carbon monoxide ice"
What about in the UK? Where would I need to look to see this thing?
Regardless of country - You would need to look up.
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here. There was no visible tail, just a fuzzy circle.
So that's why it's going to be cloudy over my area for the foreseeable future?
Never fails.
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Was wondering what that gold stationary object I was seeing after 9pm just between those 2 trees was.
Knew it wasn't a planet as none of them seem gold, and planets tend to move with the sky...
Good to know that I can recognize new objects at night without having to be informed of them, prior.
This portends the collapse of the National League. The curse of the Bambino is lifted in spades!
It's firing at us?
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?? I don't see ANY of those lines when I look into the sky at night, is there some filter/layer I need to turn on somewhere?
That instantly parch a country that has been soaking the rest of the year, apparently not enough rain falls in the UK to fill the reservoirs enough for those short periods of dryness.
It is kinda amazing this country once ruled the world. Says a lot about the world really.
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has suddenly flared to be literally a million times brighter,
It's the Silver Surfer! Aaaaah, we're all gonna die when the giant cloud-thing comes and eats our planet.
Last call.
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you don't have to believe in fairy tales about armageddeon
but you should believe in the power of a bunch of assholes bringing about a self-realizing prophecy. that armageddeon is not true, but enough assholes believing in it makes it true
so you are not safe from their thinking after all
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The clock time during which a celestial object is in the sky on any day is essentially the same anywhere in the world. The angle of its path relative to the horizon, and thus rising and setting time, varies with latitude, but the time it reaches its highest point (zenith) in the sky will be at the same clock time. Just like the sun at noontime.
Depending on latitude, its path through the sky may be entirely below the horizon and thus invisible. For example, the Little Dipper "rises", "sets", and "reaches zenith" in the sky of the Southern Hemisphere, but it does so all below the horizon, so it's invisible.
I wonder what the reason for the brightening is?
They're just kicking in the thrusters so they can make orbit.
"more than one-half of the days are overcast". Is this unusual in the rest of the world?
It varies. Is it unusual for Seattle or Vancouver, BC? No. In Vancouver it actually rains on more than one-half of the days every year. Is it unusual for the southwestern part of the US? Probably. I have never seen so much unclouded sky and bright sunlight as I did in southern California and Arizona. I assume Mexico is the same way, since it's even closer to the equator.
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Were there any obscure cults waiting for something like this? One similar to Heaven's Gate perhaps?
I doubt anyone will commit suicide over this comet, since there's no spaceship with it this time.
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Well, based on this table I would say almost ALL US cities have half overcast days since only 8 listed have more than 188 days of sunshine.
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The "up" part of the universe is still pretty big.
We are approaching a full moon right now, which is the absolute worst time to look for diffuse objects in the sky. :(
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To expand on this, in the night sky, Perseus looks like a rough square with four curvy lines jutting out of it, and with the northward side of the square "bent" out by a bright star. That star is Mirfak. Perseus isn't as obvious as Cassiopeia, or even Andromeda (just south of Cassiopeia), so if you're in a city and are unfamiliar with the night sky, you might have trouble locating it (just a couple miles out of town should be enough to get a clear enough view). To help orient yourself, the "feet" of Perseus, facing south, look like two triangles (a third triangle, southeast of Perseus and southwest of Andromeda, is the constellation Triangulum).
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Why does this suddenly remind me of Hotel California?
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Most likely Clark Griswald just turned on his Christmas lights.
The comet hasn't brightened. What you're seeing is the afterglow from the nuclear explosion that Bruce Willis set off yesterday.
You never really know how close to the edge you can go until you fall off.
Is this another one of those weird Astronomer jokes? lol
crap, did anyone go check the zoning laws for the inter-galactic freeway?
Hey, another comet doing extraordinary things. Time for Art Bell to kill another cult of whackos-in-purple-shrouds.
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But given that the UK and US are on the same hemisphere...
:^P
Aren't virtually *any* two places on the globe in the "same hemisphere"?
Yes, I know you meant "Northern hemisphere", but your post prompted the thought.
In related news, Nobel Profit Of Doom, Al "The G in my name is for G Star" Gore, blames the brightening of the comet on global warming.
"We are in serious jeopardy of losing all the comets and other galaxy bodies to global warming. I am declaring a Galaxy Emergency," the sometimes robotic, one-time Presidential candidate said."
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong fix.
Obviously a ship starting its deceleration burn.
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or, you could skulk underneath my comments, blubbering about how much i suck, to absolutely no effect at all, except perhaps as a demonstration that i have a sycophant
(snicker)
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
This comet isn't exactly one to get hyped about. It's not that bright. Magnitude 3 is about as bright as the Little Dipper. You won't see it from the city and you have to know where to look to identify it from better conditions.
Of course, naked eye comets always get a brief mention in the news, even when dim, but this one caught attention because of the dramatic increase in brightness. It's all the more surprising when you consider that this is a short period comet in a relatively circular orbit. It makes it's close approach to the sun frequently, so it doesn't tend to brighten much as it makes the approach, and it has no tail. Even more remarkable, it's currently moving away from the sun, so it would normally be expected to dim, not brighten. Why? Well, it may have had an unusual outgassing event or have impacted another object. Beyond that, I don't have any good guesses.
The brightest comet in decades was McNaught, which made a show last winter. Unfortunately, it was very close to the sun, so it rose barely after sunrise and set barely after sunset and was therefore hard to observe. However, it quickly got brighter than Venus and eventually was so bright (M -6) that a clever observer in clear, dry air could spot it during the day, a scant few degrees from the sun.
It was a little more friendly to observers in the southern hemisphere, and its huge, striated tail was spectacular. Here's a picture.
Kohoutek wasn't all that bright. Probably the best observer's comet last century was Hale-Bopp, which was very photogenic and had a remarkable double tail. I wasn't alive for Halley, which has a lot of historical significance, but it's latest pass wasn't very impressive.
And what rough beast, his hour come 'round at last, slouches toward ...er, Labrador... to be born?
* This does not include Partly Sunny or Partly Cloudy days. See Full Table for Complete List
Partly cloudy days do not count as "overcast". Yes, being overcast for more than half the year is unusual in almost all the rest of the world.
Random and weird software I've written.
If you were running Ubuntu, you could go to synaptic and install a free astronomy program and set it up for your location and time, and find out exactly where perseus is or is going to be, then stroll outdoors and realize it's cloudy. Dang.
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Same place, little higher, five or six hours earlier. Comets don't much care what your longitude is.
rj
Bah - you deserve everything you get.
or rather, you don't understand humanity
take the most advanced civilization you can imagine, as free form superstition and organized religion as can be, and still, the psychological effect on your behavior of a big "eye" looking down on you from the heavens would be quite extraordinary
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
The /. title "Comet Unexpectedly Brightens a Millionfold" demonstrates a common mistake.
Each "fold" means a doubling, or 2 to the n'th power. For example, three-fold is 8-times. Take a piece of paper and fold it three times- unfold it and count the number of rectangles outlined by the creases. This is where the expression actually came from...
People incorrectly use the "fold" term because they think it sounds more intelligent, but they demonstrate their ignorance by misusing it.
A brighting of 2 to the millionth power would be so massive that we and our entire solar system would be almost instantly vaporized and blown away by the photons striking us.
ron
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Remember, it's not paranoia if they really ARE out to get you...
If the comet reaches Earth it is a WMD.
I think the Russians sneaked off a launch and lit up their own ion engine and have crashed a microwave-sized block of titanium into this comet. They were able to sneak off the launch by hiding the vessel in a fake third stage in the supply shot for the space station. With all the clutter up there, no one noticed the fake third stage slowly drift away a couple years ago.
Yes, indeed. It was the Russians. Or the Chinese. Or India.
Maybe Japan.
Makes me ask--why wasn't it the USA? Because we are focused on sending people to the moon, which is a huge waste of effort and detracts from our development of robots and nanotech and the control of robots.
I think I saw the thing yesterday while my girlfriend was giving birth to our son.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_McNaught
I don't think historically there has ever been a comet that has "eaten the sky".
Old drawings show them as huge things in the sky, however we can't really accept that as a true measure of scale.
Based on observations that have been made since photography was in widespread use, I doubt there has ever been a comet that has "swallowed the sky". Some impressive displays no doubt(Halley's, Hale-Bopp, McNaught) but thats about the extent.
Try "Stellarium". (free software)
;)
http://www.stellarium.org/
Set the appropriate time and location, and let it search for Perseus; the comet is in that general direction.
(Or were you joking about the fabulous star-gazing weather in the UK ?
2 to the millionth power would be a gazillion times bigger than the universe would it not?
Or roughly equivalent to a Jiggawatt, yes.
ron
I'm slightly appalled. /. readers, check my grammar and links, and then click submit. Lo and behold, it gets accepted. Cool!
/. editors: If you're going to actually edit submissions (and why start now, after ignoring fundamental grammatical errors and duplicate stories for a decade?) then get it right!
I write up what I consider to be an interesting story for
Then I read what I supposedly wrote, and find that words have been put in my mouth. Specifically:
"The comet still appears starlike even in binoculars but should grow to several arcminutes across over the next few nights. "
I did NOT write that. I didn't suggest it. The comet does NOT appear starlike in binoculars at all--it's quite a clear extended disk. ONE person quoted in Sky & Telescope believes that it will expand to several arcminutes in size, but that's strictly conjecture.
Furthermore, I didn't use the word "millionfold" in my subject line. That was kdawson again.
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I saw a very very bright object in the sky early in the morning on the 20th and again in the early hours of the 21st. It was far brighter than Sirrus. I tried looking at star charts to see what it could be. It seemed to be in the Canis Minor constellation, but was too bright to be Procyon. Does anyone know if what I saw might have been this comet?
Just to be clear on something, I never used the word millionfold in my submission. That was kdawson editing my post for his own glory.
Incidentally, the term has been used both ways, and has etymologically distinct roots, so millionfold meaning 'a million times' is valid.
I can't link directly to it, at the sixth entry (-fold) at Miriam Webster's.
Nonetheless, it wasn't my word. Neither was the claim that the comet is 'starlike in binoculars.'
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Incidentally, the term has been used both ways, and has etymologically distinct roots, so millionfold meaning 'a million times' is valid.
I can't link directly to it, at the sixth entry (-fold) at Miriam Webster's.
Now I'm looking at all this from a humorous point of view, so please don't take this wrong, but just because something is listed in a dictionary does not make it correct. They simply cite common (mis)usage of words.
Case in point: The aforementioned website listing for the word http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/theory/ "theory" indicates it is a synonym for hypothesis, which is absolutely, deadly wrong. The layman misuse of scientific/mathematical terms is pretty frustrating. The meanings of the terms conjecture, hypothesis, and theory are are very distinct and do not overlap, there is no ambiguity here whatsoever.
One of my favorite quotes from Babylon 5 is "If you can not say what you mean, you can never mean what you say". I try my best, but often do not succeed.
ron
Oh so what you're saying is George W is the Anti-Christ... got it now.
Perhaps it's Rama?
A brighting of 2 to the millionth power would be so massive that we and our entire solar system would be almost instantly vaporized and blown away by the photons striking us.
No it wouldn't.
That much light would form a black hole.
In fact not only would the event horizon swallow the solar system, it would engulf the entire universe. It's been a long time since I ran similar calculations, but as I recall out would only take two to the power of a couple hundred for the black hole to engulf the entire universe and then some. Two to the millionth power is big. It is almost infinitely beyond universe devouringly big. It's big. Big with a capital-B Broken Brain Big.
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Maybe it hit Voyager.
You mean Janeway is dead?
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Maybe they would see it as approval of their killing.
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Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary Threefold \Three"fold`\, a. [OE. [thorn]reofald; cf. AS. [thorn]r[=i]feald.] Consisting of three, or thrice repeated; triple; as, threefold justice.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/threefold threefold 1. three times as great 2. triple
Similar definitions for twofold. Do the "fold" rules change after three?Do we poor fellas on the southern hemisphere miss out AGAIN or are we lucky for once? All the exciting stuff seems to happen on the northern hemisphere. I'm rather astronomically challenged, so I have no clue where to find Perseus and if it is even visible down here.
And they like an etymology geek even less.
:-)
Look it up.
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Well, I'd certainly never claim that a dictionary is always definitively correct--there are too many that don't agree with each other for that to be supportable. In this case though (-fold as a suffix), the etymology is quite clear, long, and well-established. The use of "fold" meaning "times " is both historically and etymologically sound. Curiously, it doesn't mention the powers-of-two usage, which is also common and correct--which points to your previous point about dictionaries being noncanonical. I'd like to dig through the OED on this one, just for the fun of it.
:-)
Now on the other hand, I could have referenced the American Heritage dictionary, which would have thrown my arguments and also my personal character into complete disrepute.
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Indeed, but its a lot smaller than the empty half of the universe.
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I'm sure you're right, but I think that word doesn't mean what you think it means (any longer).
Kinda like spam. In internet terms, it referred exclusively to Usenet abuse. But we must all concede that it now refers to all things internet abuse-y.
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It omits the nearly full, nearly perigee moon that is so insanely bright you can't see another thing in the sky.
Oh, well. I guess I'll look again Saturday or Sunday.
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This is a problem with Web 2.0 technology. Wikipedia is not the be-all, end-all of definitions. It also depends on what discipline you are from. Mine, computational mathematics, says that in this case, Ron is correct.
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Looking at the skyhound and there is one day left to see it. That will be in 10 hours time. The one day of the year it fucking rains in this 'arse-hole of the earth' country. Typical.
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Nothing. Only when you get outside of civilization are you afflicted with the light pollution from stars hundreds of light years away. Don't worry, this pollution, while unsettling if you weren't expecting it, has no permanent ill effects and clears up again after you return to civilization.
Help poke pirates in the eyepatch, arr.
well, this is slashdot..
Hmm.. Let's see.
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Clearly, I don't understand the saying, please explain.
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That's no comet!
kramulous: Note I did not say that ron's definition was wrong, only that it didn't match the sources I checked. No, Wikipedia is not the final arbiter, and I checked (and cited) a more traditional source as well. My real point was that if one is going to make a statement about the wrongness of another's word use, one should back it up. Ron is not the "be-all, end-all" of definitions either. If you want people to learn, point them to useful resources.