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Rare Soviet Retro-Future Space Art

abramsv writes "A collection of the most inspiring and hard-to-find retro-futuristic graphics from rather unlikely sources: Soviet & Eastern Bloc 'popular tech & science' magazines, German, Italian, British fantastic illustrations and promotional literature — all from the Golden Age of Retro-Future (1930s to 1970s)."

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  1. obvious by User+956 · · Score: 1, Funny

    A collection of the most inspiring and hard-to-find retro-futuristic graphics from rather unlikely sources: Soviet & Eastern Bloc 'popular tech & science' magazines

    In Soviet Russia, future finds you!

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    1. Re:obvious by flyingsquid · · Score: 4, Funny

      The present was so much cooler in the past...

    2. Re:obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The present was so much cooler in the past...
      Hi, this is Al. What did you just said?!
    3. Re:obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      > The present was so much cooler in the past...

      As Tales of Future Past puts it:

      "It wasn't that long ago that we had a future."

      http://davidszondy.com/future/futurepast.htm

    4. Re:obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nice! you beat me to the YS reference!

    5. Re:obvious by morcego · · Score: 1

      > "It wasn't that long ago that we had a future."

      An optimist thinks we live in the better world possible.

      A pessimist fears that is indeed true.

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    6. Re:obvious by shvytejimas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > The present was so much cooler in the past... This reminded me of one gallery with soviet architecture - colossal projects that were never built. http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/03e.htm - not really space art but very retro-futuristic nevertheless.

    7. Re:obvious by The+Great+Pretender · · Score: 1

      What I don't get is why, in one picture, the earth in the background shows the Americas and not the USSR. This makes no sense unless the guys in the rocket ship were flipping the bird to the USA.

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    8. Re:obvious by DesScorp · · Score: 1

      "The present was so much cooler in the past...""

      It was indeed. Look at the 1939 World's Fair in NYC....look at the art, the exhibits, the buildings. Look at the Trylon and Perisphere. Look at each company's building. It was all a prediction of how they hoped the future would look, a prediction that was dazzling and brilliant to people still recovering from the great depression. Everything in art and architecture and engineering from the 30's until the war was a way of looking forward while not ignoring the glories of the past. This ethos, this hope gave us the Empire State Building and the Chrysler Building. It gave us art deco. It gave us the DC-3 and the classic sleek trains of the period. Look at what we replaced them with. Boring glass and steel boxes resembling communist worker housing. Post modern art that looked more like a house painter's drop cloth than a work of artistic genius. Even our appliances and furniture, so rare and expensive in the depression, that became affordable to all after the war, became square and ugly.

      Most of those predictions the creators of the '39 Worlds' Fair made have come to pass. But oh, not nearly as beautiful as they were first dreamed...

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  2. Verb? by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ok, Dawson, it's late; but can't you put a verb in there someplace?

    1. Re:Verb? by Thanshin · · Score: 5, Funny

      A reply most insightful. Nice presentation, concise.

      All from Slashdot.

    2. Re:Verb? by Seumas · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I guess I have been away too long. Who in the hell is kdawson? Is he that "Knuckles Dawson" kid who plays XBOX 360 20 hours a day and has a 100k gamerscore on xbox or something? I mean, I thought "first post" guys had the most pointless endeavor on earth . . .

    3. Re:Verb? by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

      Meh. Verbs can be implied, just as pronouns can.

      "Stop!" means "You, stop!".

      "Thanks" means "I give you thanks".

      "Chocolate" might mean "I'll have chocolate ice cream".

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  3. Rare?! by Crispin+Cowan · · Score: 0

    What "rare"? This looks like clones of old science fiction magazine Analog/Astounding covers.

    Crispin
    1. Re:Rare?! by eleitl · · Score: 1

      Technika Molodezhi was a very popular teenger magazine.
      I recognize at least one of the front covers from the 1970s that Dark Blend posted.

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    2. Re:Rare?! by rucs_hack · · Score: 1

      I have a bookshel full of this sort of stuff, love it.

      All I needed to do to collect it was get a good relationhip with my local antiquarian bookshop (chocies on the holidays, stuff like that). They have a list of the things I like and bid for interesting books at auction because they know I'll buy it.

      The contents usually pretty good too. Back in that era you find a lot of scientists elaborating on their idea's of space travel and aliens using a medium that held no risk of peer ridicule. It's surprisingly interesting, a backdoor into the passions of scienits in the fifties and sixties.

      There's a fair bit of sexism in some books (E.E Doc Smith, I'm looking at you..), but every now and then you find some real gems.

      I se a lot of 'cowboy story translated to space opera' offerings in this era as well. I'm a huge firefly fan, I think the cowboy story translates well to SF, so when I find these I really enjoy them.

  4. I knew it! by doyoulikeworms · · Score: 0

    The Russians were planning to shoot their own moon landing all along! We just beat them to it! http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2160/2061439676_b4ffcf2dde_o.jpg

  5. Unlikely sources?! by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why "unlikely sources"?! The Russians were the first in space after all.

    1. Re:Unlikely sources?! by evanbd · · Score: 1

      Depending on your definitions, the Germans were first. The V-2 was suborbital, though obviously unmanned.

    2. Re:Unlikely sources?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Clearly it defends on your definition, but I think it's a bit of a stretch to use a definition that includes not reaching space. "The [V2] reached a height of 80 km (50 miles) before shutting off engine." (Wikipedia). The FAI define "space" as anything above 100km, or 62miles. So the Germans were close, but not close enough.

    3. Re:Unlikely sources?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the "unlikely sources" are the magazine covers, not the country of origin. That said, the summary seems to be rather poorly written.

    4. Re:Unlikely sources?! by apt142 · · Score: 1

      I think what they were referring to as unlikely was not so much the subject matter but the actual art itself. Soviet Russia wasn't the most artistically permissive regime.

    5. Re:Unlikely sources?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On a sort-of-related off-topic tangent,

      http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNKJZVJI9V0ZUYB

      Dogs in Space

      4:27 PM PDT, September 18, 2007

      Increasingly, graphic novels are dealing with historical subjects,
      some in a hybrid form that's halfway between conventional story and
      documentary. Laika, by Nick Abadzis, from First Second, is the latest
      in this mode, while also being a timeless animal story. Telling the
      story of Earth's first space traveler, a dog named Laika that was part
      of the Soviet space program, Laika is by turns moving and informative.
      It's also beautifully drawn, in subdued but evocative color. Recently,
      I interviewed Abadzis about this latest project via email. He replied
      from "the middle of a fairly leafy green suburb in London."

      Amazon.com: What inspired you to pick this particular topic for a
      graphic novel? And why, for example, a graphic novel as opposed to a
      strictly written account?

      Nick Abadzis: I'd known it was a good story since I was about six
      years old. It had always been at the back of my mind as a story to
      tell. In 2002, new information came to light about the Sputnik II
      mission and specifically Laika's death. That was the spark, although
      back then I envisaged something much shorter. It, uh, grew. Why a
      graphic novel? Well, comics are my language. It's the medium that I'm
      most familiar and comfortable...so it was first choice.

      Amazon.com: What most surprised you while researching Laika?

      Nick Abadzis: There were a few things. I had no idea there were so few
      Soviet engineers and scientists involved in the nascent space
      program--not to trivialize their incredible achievement but, in many
      senses, they just winged it, borne along in great part by Korolev's
      force of will and political maneuvering. Also it was interesting to
      find out how much the Soviet scientists cared for their cosmodogs.
      Events conspired to make Laika a sacrificial passenger on board
      Sputnik II, but they really did honor their canine cosmonauts. There's
      even a statue of Laika in Moscow. Perhaps this book will go some small
      way to re-establishing her position in history: whatever the
      circumstances, and whether you agree with what they did or not, she
      was the first earthling in orbit around this planet.

      Amazon.com: Was there anything that didn't make it into the graphic
      novel because it just didn't fit?

      Nick Abadzis: There was quite a bit, actually. I could have done with
      another hundred pages. But I'd taken a bit of time to write and
      thumbnail it (which I do at the same time) and when that stage was
      finished, the publisher and I realized that the 50th anniversary of
      the Sputnik launches was fast approaching. When I first pitched the
      idea to Mark Siegel at First Second, neither of us realized that it
      was so close. It felt like we needed to be a part of that, so I drew
      it extremely fast--two hundred pages in a little over eight months.
      It's an understatement to say that it was extremely hard work. What
      got left out was a longer explication of Laika's origins; the scenes
      with Mikhail, her first owner were much longer.... Originally, I did
      have an idea of doing three books: Laika would be the first, Gagarin
      the second and a full-on comic strip biography of Korolev [the driven
      engineer on the project] would be the final part that would bind
      together events seen in the first two. Maybe one day. Certainly,
      elements of Korolev's life that I felt were important to the story
      made it into the final version of the book.

      Amazon.com: Did you worry about the sentimentality inherent in the
      situation? How did that affect your decisions in creating the graphic
      novel?

      Nick Abadzis: I suppose it would have been easy to make it another
      cutesy, twee and overly saccharine dead dog story but that wouldn't
      have bee

    6. Re:Unlikely sources?! by evanbd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      80km was the burnout altitude, not the peak altitude. It kept going up (coasting) after engine shutdown. Since it was a missile, it was a shallow trajectory, so it didn't go up a *lot* beyond that. I'm having trouble finding clear information on whether any of the German flights actually broke the 100km number. It is quite clear that the V-2 was capable of reaching space (if fired vertically); the US fired a large number of unmodified and slightly modified captured V-2 rockets shortly after the war. The third test on May 10, 1944 reached 112km altitude; some of the later launches went as high as 180km.

    7. Re:Unlikely sources?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think she just means that it's surprising you'd get great art from people who would kill a dog to win a race.

  6. Futuristing predictions are depressing. by Thanshin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Those images are sad. It's so easy to imagine the future, and so hard to reach it...

    It's depressing to think we'll be long dead before humanity finally understands the universe.

    Space travel, immortality, living in far planets, knowing the origin and the end of all, and, most of all, contacting an alien intelligence and culture if there is one.

    However, I do feel lucky for living in an era of enlightenment and fast technological evolution. A mere two or three centuries in the past, I'd have seen the same advance in all my life as I can in a modern decade.

    1. Re:Futuristing predictions are depressing. by phantomcircuit · · Score: 1

      Take solace in that: Humanity will be long dead before the universe is understood

    2. Re:Futuristing predictions are depressing. by mrjb · · Score: 1

      It's depressing to think we'll be long dead before humanity finally understands the universe. Space travel, immortality, ... Take some mianserin then. It might not make you immortal but it might increase your life span. Even if it doesn't, at least you won't be depressed over it anymore.

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    3. Re:Futuristing predictions are depressing. by llirik · · Score: 1

      The more you know, the more you understand how little you really know. I don't think we'll ever learn "origin and the end of all".

    4. Re:Futuristing predictions are depressing. by tristian_was_here · · Score: 1

      Do you think the Universe is flat? Well we will never know.

    5. Re:Futuristing predictions are depressing. by vwjeff · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Those images are not sad, they are wonderful. Images like those show hope and imagination. What's sad is looking at a generation of individuals (including me) that do not dream about exploration.

    6. Re:Futuristing predictions are depressing. by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      Those images are not sad, they are wonderful. Images like those show hope and imagination. What's sad is looking at a generation of individuals (including me) that do not dream about exploration. I think one reason is that we don't really believe it to be possible.

      The farther we see with new telescopes and techniques, the farther the horizon of the unknown is. At the same time, the top travel speed seems unbreakable.

      We have fought jungles and deserts. We have fought the infinite ocean. Now, with gigantic space and limited speed, we have to fight time. And that's a fight we've been trying to win since the very beginning.
    7. Re:Futuristing predictions are depressing. by kalirion · · Score: 1

      Unless the universe is long dead by the time Humanity is done with it.

    8. Re:Futuristing predictions are depressing. by magical_mystery_meat · · Score: 0

      When humanity dies, the universe dies also.

    9. Re:Futuristing predictions are depressing. by SCHecklerX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I blame personal computers and the Internet. Focus has shifted from artistic dreaming around future engineering (even to the point where you would use a computer not connected to a network, creativity with the computer was still much higher than it is today, since you came up with your own ideas, rather than looking it up on the internet) to instant messaging and web pages. I, too, am guilty of this as a guy who followed his childhood dreams up to even getting the degree in Aerospace Engineering, but then discovering the Internet, and ending up going down the network security analyst career path. It's still sort of creative, but nothing compared to what I dreamed I'd be designing when I was just a kid.

    10. Re:Futuristing predictions are depressing. by ashitaka · · Score: 1

      Add mass media to that. Although we had also our fantasy vehicles (Thunderbirds, etc.), these would spur us on to greater realms of imagination as here was the future as it might be and we were the ones who were going to design it.

      Now, the state of entertainment has reached such high levels of realism that we know it is absolutely impossible for us to replicate that level and the real exploration done seems frighteningly mundane and remote. Yes, we have robots exploring the surface of Mars, but they do it at a snail's pace. Does the average person check to see what Spirit and Opportunity are doing this week?

      The one thing you notice in all these pictures is how cool the rocket ships looked. Now people refer to the Space Shuttle (a *real* space plane!) as an inefficient, obsolete mistake. The ISS (a *real* space station!) as an overpriced, useless boondoggle where little science is done and the astronauts spend more time on maintenance than anything else.

      My, how our dreams have fallen.

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    11. Re:Futuristing predictions are depressing. by ReclusiveGeek · · Score: 1

      I was born at the time Sputnik was launched and grew up being allowed to take "transistor radios" to school to listen in to broadcasts of Apollo missions. It was beyond cool - there was a sense of being part of a huge adventure. How did we become so jaded? It's like we've lost the ability to dream big dreams.

    12. Re:Futuristing predictions are depressing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's how everything started during breakdown of Soviet Union. People also started thinking about space program as waste of money.

    13. Re:Futuristing predictions are depressing. by mstahl · · Score: 1

      we'll be long dead before humanity finally understands the universe

      Says who? I recall reading that many notable scientists in 1961 said that man would never reach the moon. Didn't take long for them to eat those words. I really hope—and I promise I mean you no offense when I say this—that we'll make it far enough in the next few years for you to eat yours, too. I know it's hard, but optimism just feels great sometimes when you can scare some up.

      I guess the only way to find out is to wait and see. Just, you know, try not to die too soon ;-P

  7. More work NOT to have one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Good catch, but I actually think it took more work not to include a verb in his description.

  8. Imaginative... by gethoht · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What happened to mankind's fascination with space? These pictures are awesome to me not because of their scientific validity, but because they are a reflection of the way that mankind used to dream of the stars.

    While great sci-fi is by no means limited to a distant past(thank you gaiman, stephenson, etc...), it is seems that space travel just isn't that romanticized in today's cultures. Have we stopped dreaming of an extraordinary not-so-distant future?

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    1. Re:Imaginative... by RuBLed · · Score: 1

      I believe the Japanese had not....

    2. Re:Imaginative... by trickyrickb · · Score: 0

      someone sent us the bill! theres no money to be made in space, yet.

    3. Re:Imaginative... by Racemaniac · · Score: 2, Insightful

      hurray for short term thinking...
      at the current pace, there won't be any money to be made there for a long long time...

    4. Re:Imaginative... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It got crushed by economic rationalism. We have become obsessed with price and lost sight of values.

    5. Re:Imaginative... by FST777 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The Cold War is over.

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    6. Re:Imaginative... by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Fell victim of dumbing things down. Stupid society is easier to control and has lower expectations. Interest in science tends to make people smarter. Making science, learning etc unfashionable lowered the supply of smart people, and the consumer industry drained the remaining human resources leaving nearly none for actual science.

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    7. Re:Imaginative... by tgd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What happened? For a long time people's lives were getting better as time progressed. Life was easier, less stressful, healthier. Science and technology were improving the world in very real ways that were visible to people all the time.

      Now we live in a polluted world of mass-media violence, government oppression; people have lost all the power they believed they once had. Education is not valued; the long term doesn't matter.

      When those "retrofuture" pieces were being produced, there was a real sense around the world that tomorrow was going to be better than today.

      Who here honestly thinks tomorrow is going to be better than today? Who here honestly thinks their kids are going to live in a world better than we are?

      That sort of mass human space exploration was a powerful vision of where the future was leading back then... whereas these days something between Mad Max and Bladerunner is probably more accurate.

      Times have changed, thats what happened to mankind's fascination with space.

    8. Re:Imaginative... by Sleepy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >What happened to mankind's fascination with space?

      Because in space, there are no runaway ex-CIA generals to capture, and no oil.

      It's revisionist to suggest that the space race had anything to do with science or education or exploration. Sure, 99% of the people WORKING on the project felt so... but it was a military project in civilian clothing. It took a LOT of pressure by NASA workers to get one token scientist on the moon mission... and in one document, he lightheartedly referred to outsider treatment because he was an egghead and not a combat pilot.

      For the price or the Iraq war, we could afford solid missions to the moon and Mars. The damage done to the present and future economy by the neo-cons like Cheney will not be understood until someone else has to pay for it. It is a sad chapter in US history that we elected these neo-cons, who had vested interests in bankrupting the USA and many of which carry "dual passports".

      There will be a space race again all right... led by China. The USA will react, but will be so poor that they have to outsource the shipbuilding.

    9. Re:Imaginative... by lostraven · · Score: 1

      An image that particularly stood out for me was this one: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2059045060&size=o Simply... fantastic! I love science fiction but haven't read
      much pulp material. This theme of combining the electronic
      with the organic... was it that prevelant in the '50s? I haven't
      seen a lot of art like this. The only thing that even comes
      close in my memory is perhaps some of the old War of the Worlds
      related art: http://drzeus.best.vwh.net/wotw/0009.html Cool stuff.

    10. Re:Imaginative... by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

      What happened to mankind's fascination with space? These pictures are awesome to me not because of their scientific validity, but because they are a reflection of the way that mankind used to dream of the stars.


      The Internet happened.
    11. Re:Imaginative... by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      >What happened? For a long time people's lives were getting better as time progressed. Life was easier, less stressful, healthier.

      When was this? Looks like you are dealing with the fallacy of idealizing a fictional past, like how Americans look back at the 50s as being like Happy Days but in reality was a socially a pretty nasty place to be: segregation, conformist conservative values, etc.

      Even the oldest dams caused environmental problems, but the benefit of draining an area to humans was worth it to them. Ancient man also hunted animals to exinction. Man-made forest fires have decimated populations.

      >Science and technology were improving the world in very real ways that were visible to people all the time.

      Like the rise of gasoline powered mass transit 90 years ago? Whoops, you kind of have forgotten all the horrible accidents and pollution. Or exploding steam engines. Or children working in factories. Or the settlement of the American west? Whoops, you forgot about all conquering the native lands, deforestation to build new towns, etc. Asbestos. Uranium paints. etc.

      I think if youre objective you'll see that things are either the same as the past or better nowadays.

    12. Re:Imaginative... by Pecisk · · Score: 1

      You saddened me, but only because you are completely right. As human being it is hard for me to watch that people allow themselves to "encode" paranoia message in their brains, just because then they are better consumers, less trouble makers, etc.

      Interesting question is - why? When visionaries and pioneers in politics where replaced by rightous selfish short-sighted and what's worst, stupid junkbags (not everywhere, not all the time, but it is close)?

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    13. Re:Imaginative... by Serge_Tomiko · · Score: 0

      The real problem seems to be the technofiles believed Malthus was a lunatic. The reality is it was pure lunacy for the elites of the post-war era to believe technology would allow for infinite population growth. We would be living in a technological paradise, but population growth has been exponential since the imaginative days of the 1950s. As long as technological progress barely keeps up with population growth, most efforts will be expended trying to alleviate shortages of raw materials (productive farmland, water, energy, etc), providing the basic necessities of life (housing, food, medicine), and inexpensive entertainment to keep the masses at bay (media, primarily). The grand dreams of the 1950s, ie space travel, were born from an era of relative abundance. If population growth had been non-existant since the 1950s, worldwide peace would be the rule and there would be a huge surplus to devote to such dreams.

      Today however, the billions of hungry mouths will always scream for more food so they can continue reproducing at an exponential rate. They will always shout down the more creative types who believe there is more to human existence than the animalistic competition for unrestricted population growth.

      And there's the rub. This is how it has always been. The lower class is really the class that cannot see life for what it could be, only as it is. They are guided by the petty hedonistic drive to avoid pain and experience pleasure. In reality, their hopes and dreams are no more advanced than cattle.

    14. Re:Imaginative... by sootman · · Score: 1

      I agree--I've always loved this stuff. I'll have to dig out my copy of Yesterday's Tomorrows when I get home.

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    15. Re:Imaginative... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think if youre objective you'll see that things are either the same as the past or better nowadays.

      Yes, and that's why I think the grandparent post has it wrong.

      There's a much, much simpler explanation for why this sort of interest in space explanation has waned: it's not new anymore.

      When it was really, truly new, people got excited about it. As it became more commonplace, peoples' interest waned. My guess is that space exploration will continue, and will eventually approach what you see in this idealized art, but it will take awhile and when it does, it will seem sort of mundane.

    16. Re:Imaginative... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iPods and cell phones...that's what happened.

  9. God damnit by Broken+scope · · Score: 1

    Why the hell has no one made even the most rudimentary moon base yet? Damnit I want to see people living on another celestial body before I die.

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    1. Re:God damnit by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      Why the hell has no one made even the most rudimentary moon base yet? Damnit I want to see people living on another celestial body before I die. Me too. I'll start a list of people I'd like to see living in the sun.
    2. Re:God damnit by Racemaniac · · Score: 1

      oooh, i know that joke "isn't it hot there?" "don't worry, we'll go by night!"

  10. Russian? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does the picture which most prominently displays Earth show the American continents, instead of Europe or Asia?

    1. Re:Russian? by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why does the picture which most prominently displays Earth show the American continents, instead of Europe or Asia? It was originally sold as a dart target.
    2. Re:Russian? by pipatron · · Score: 1

      1 out of 4 pictures of earth show America, 3 out of 4 does not.

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    3. Re:Russian? by Ruie · · Score: 1

      Why does the picture which most prominently displays Earth show the American continents, instead of Europe or Asia?

      Because it is the other side of the Earth ?

      More seriously, the most likely cause is that Eurasia is just a big blob of landmass, not much variety. The two Americas do look much better - and make it obvious it is a planet.

    4. Re:Russian? by 10Ghz · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe it was their way of showing the readers "Those capitalists in North-America are very easy targets from space".

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    5. Re:Russian? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      With the darts being small models of ICBMs?

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    6. Re:Russian? by Stooshie · · Score: 1

      ... The two Americas do look much better - and make it obvious it is a planet. ...

      Only to someone from the Americas. Eurasia has a coast too, and a very distinctive one at that. Just look at the west coast. People recognise what they are used to.

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    7. Re:Russian? by kaiwai · · Score: 1

      Or simply "we're up in space, and the Americans are still down there".

      Does anyone remember Star Trek? if anyone took time to pay attention; the future turns into a quasi communist paradise where people have evolved to the point that they work for the good of each other rather than per sue their own individual animalistic desires.

      The utopia view of society is hardly new, the Soviet Union, for all its flaws, had many visionaries who wanted to turn society into a place where people worked for the good of each other; where people discovered and created for the good of society rather than simply for profit and notoriety.

    8. Re:Russian? by timster · · Score: 1

      To be fair, if I could live on a frickin' starship with a warp drive, zooming around the galaxy, I wouldn't ask too many questions about my paycheck either.

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  11. View of Earth by SoundGuyNoise · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Did anyone else notice that the only image with a view of Earth still featured the Americas, instead of Mother Russia?

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    1. Re:View of Earth by MrNiCeGUi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Are you looking at the same images? Besides that image of the Americas, which does not appear to be from the same set as the rest of the scans, I counted at least two views of Eurasia and one of Australia.

    2. Re:View of Earth by earthpig · · Score: 2, Informative

      there are four earth views that are easily identified.
      "Lunar Unicycle" by Frank Tinsley, 1959 - pacific ocean
      (TM cover, Russia 1953) - Africa Europe
      "Nuclear Rocketship" by Frank Tinsley, 1959 - Africa Europe
      (image credit: retro-futurismus) - Americas

    3. Re:View of Earth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its because they are getting ready to fire the missiles!

    4. Re:View of Earth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a difference between 'spots of earth' than 'earth' itself.

      You cannot brag that you could hold up your hand and have mother earth between the grasps of your finger behind the infinite black starred sky..

  12. Wrong continent? by aalu.paneer · · Score: 2, Funny

    In http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1128/1058108337_46491e437c_o.jpg, they show North and South America. I would have guessed them showing Eurasia.

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    1. Re:Wrong continent? by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

      They have always shown Eurasia.

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    2. Re:Wrong continent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there was something clearly showing that the space crafts are of Russian origin, it wouldn't be surprising to picture those continents because the overall image could be perceived as depicting a triumph over the still earth-bound Americans.

  13. Nostalgia by Pecisk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have to admit, although U.S.S.R. and so called "Bolshevism" has written lot of dark pages in history while building "Communism", those dreams about future when humanity together working to defeat universe at least in subjective scale, expressed in these pictures and stories from Stanisaw Lem and other soviet sci-fi writers are which I am more found of. Yes, western sci-fi usually spells more doom and gloom, power of coorporations, profit over science and discovery, etc. Both "schools" have beatiful exceptions, like Lem sci-fi fairy tales or "I, Robot" series by Isaac Asimov. When I think of sci-fi, I usually think of "The Magellanic Cloud". This novel from then-young Lem is something I still fill very exceptional. In Soviet times it was published in so called "Winning Communism edition", but after collapse of Eastern Block it was published in non-tweaked edition, as Lem said first edition was too rosy about communism. What I like about it is that even in old version Lem touches (but only touches) issues of conflict as aims of society vs. aims of personality, as it challenges people who try to reach only closest star system. In some way, it is similar to western sci-fi - it doesn't say anything nice about way the Western lives and how it ends. But as socialist Lem of course tries to provide alternative. Of course, big question is - is this possible.

    Anyway, what I wanted to underline that so called "Socialism in space" was more than propaganda, it had different mind set, and sometimes it was for me as small boy easier to connect to those stories with all scientific stuff and challenges of scientists against their egos and needs. Also they definitely tried to imagine how life of people would be in future, how social and moral elements change - for good, of course. While Western sci-fi (as it holds roots more in Scepticism) bashes human nature and don't find escape from it, however there are lot of funny and hopeful authors. I still wait for sci-fi who would embrace both of these - western and "socialist" styles. That would definitely exciting to read.

    In resume, I really miss sci-fi which could inspire and lift up, not just show future from very pessimistic point of view. Yes, we as humanity has huge issues, starting with problem to lacking people who value humanity over their egos, who work together with others to achieve something. It is not said that everyone should work and live together as brothers, but at least we should not try to kill each other because of small petty differences.

    Just my two euro cents,
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    1. Re:Nostalgia by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      "stories from Stanisaw Lem and other soviet sci-fi writers"

      ekhm, ekhm.

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    2. Re:Nostalgia by Mortiss · · Score: 1

      "Stanisaw Lem and other soviet sci-fi writers"
      Errr... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislaw_Lem

    3. Re:Nostalgia by RipTides9x · · Score: 1
      Errr... yourself.

      In 1946, Polish eastern Kresy were annexed into the Soviet Ukraine and (his) family, like many other Poles, were resettled in Kraków
    4. Re:Nostalgia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Lem were still alive (he died only last year), he would be gravely offended by you, in your ignorance, calling him a soviet writer.

    5. Re:Nostalgia by Pecisk · · Score: 1

      Label "soviet" here means period, something like Renaissance or Modernism. As much Lem would like to avoid or deny it, he lived in that time and was influenced by it.

      So nothing to get angry about :)

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    6. Re:Nostalgia by SquirrelsUnite · · Score: 1

      Noone is angry, they are just pointing out your ignorance.

    7. Re:Nostalgia by pruss · · Score: 1

      Stanislaw Lem was Polish, not Soviet. I suspect he'd really not have liked being identified as Soviet (and that's an understatement).

  14. Tintin inspiration? by Ruben3d · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This image from the article reminds me of Tintin: Explorers on the Moon published in 1954, a year later.

  15. Customer alert by dgun · · Score: 2, Funny

    The x-ray glasses advertised in the back of those science mags don't work.

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    1. Re:Customer alert by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      The x-ray glasses advertised in the back of those science mags don't work.

      Strangely, those made in Chernobyl *do* work.

  16. Agreed 100% by coder111 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I look at those pictures it makes me sad and very mad at the same time.

    What happened to humanity? We used to dream about bright space future, flying cars, scientific progress and stuff like that. And we had hope to achieve all of this if we put enough effort into it. And now I think we lost that hope.

    I don't see people dreaming about anything more than getting a million dollars and doing 2 chicks at the same time...

    And you can bash soviets all you wish, but they had one thing right- the education was non-religious and pushed belief in sience most of the time. (Well, there were propaganda bits and belief in communist ideals, but these were easily discarded and did not interfere with science). I think soviet union was the first and only truly non-religious state. And that is something to be admired.

    Don't get me wrong. I realize that the technological progress now is faster than it ever was. But you get no rush thinking about it anymore. It is not considered exciting and sexy and bright. It fails to captivate the minds of people. And I think it should be.

    --Coder

    1. Re:Agreed 100% by Shohat · · Score: 1

      It's because we don't have breakthroughs anymore, just slow, normal , progress. We are in the modern dark ages. We are using the same engine, same types of energy, same methods of flight and construction, same communication methods and machines. We are just contstantly improving them, nothing more.
      We don't have flight, radio, nuclear power, combustion kind of progress... we have flat screens instead of normal screens, a smaller mobile phones, we are going from analog to digital, etc... People don't do breakthroughs any more.

    2. Re:Agreed 100% by coder111 · · Score: 1

      Heh, that might be partially true. However I'd like to see a graph of "breakthroughs" produced each decade. I don't think current decades would fall far behind. And we'd have to agree on the definition of "breakthrough". Maybe its just that current breakthroughs are less visible, less flashy.

      However, there are also things called "disruptive technologies". Maybe they are not "breakthroughs" per se, but they do change the way we do things. Internet is one of them. Mobile phones is another. I really like ideas that disrupt established markets and change the way we lead our lives.

      I consider cyberpunk to be the most flashy and sexy Sci-Fi to come out after the golden era of space operas. From exploration of outer space it turned inwards. It was about the usage of IT to organize societies and people's lives. I think this area is still open to innovations and breakthroughs. I believe new forms of government can be build utilising IT that are more advanced than democracy/capitalism. New ways of association and collaboration (like open-source development) are already cropping up that would have been unthinkable 50 years ago.

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    3. Re:Agreed 100% by Eivind · · Score: 1

      I don't think dreams are any smaller or larger than they used to be, most likely you're just older than you used to be -- 15-year olds have "larger" dreams than 30 year olds, because they're less likely to reject dreams on the basis of unlikeliness and/or hard-to-reach goals.

      How about "Provide the sum total of human knowledge for free to every human being, in every human language" for an ambitious dream ?

      How about a network and a laptop for every child ?

      How about reducing by half the proportion of humans suffering from hunger, by 2015 ?

      How about reducing child-mortality by two thirds, in the same timeframe ? And reducing maternal mortality by 3/4.

      It's not hard to find people dreaming large dreams if you give it a try. We're actually well underway on -achieving- many of the goals I mention above too -- despite them all being very ambitious.

    4. Re:Agreed 100% by Stefanwulf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We are in the modern dark ages.

      I'd argue against that. In my lifetime (since the late 1970's) I've seen amazing progress. Cars have started using different engines on a wide scale for the first time since the early 20th century, plausible theories of physics have been advanced to unify quantum mechanics and relativity, and parents walking through the subway have to explain to their young children that all phones used to have cords like the ones on the wall.

      The world has been connected in a way never before seen via the internet, and embedded computers are making AI pervasive, easing many day to day tasks, from a car that parks itself to a phone that knows what word I want to type based on past usage patterns, or a camera that can recognize faces. Those that aren't embedded are displaying their imagery on screens which are not only made of an effectively heatless light source, but one which we are now growing organically. Every day I read stories selected automatically from hundreds of newspapers, and for better or worse robots have begun fighting for us in wartime. I walk around with thousands of hours of music in my pocket, and what's playing can be altered at the touch of a button, even automatically selected to suit my mood.

      The introduction of the FMRI and MRI have allowed us to safely look inside a persons head without opening it up (which if you think about it is truly amazing), and to see with such detail and precision that we can follow distinct tracts of neural connections (diffusion tensor imaging) or watch the patterns of thought activity play across a living human brain (FMRI). The Poincaré Conjecture was proven after stumping mathematicians for a hundred years, and new construction materials are allowing us to build ever grander and more elaborate buildings, of a scale that dwarf the skyscrapers of the previous century. People can don gloves and climb walls like geckos. We have mapped the human genome and brought cloning from conjecture into reality.

      If we go back a bit before my birth, we began to take people's failing organs out and replace them with new ones, or with artificial ones we have made ourselves. Now we can alter blood types and revitalize failing systems with stem cells. If you suffer nerve damage and are rendered blind or deaf, we can wire sensory devices directly into your brain to bypass the affected areas. We have eradicated smallpox and invented plastics, not to mention the introduction of home refrigeration. Containerization revolutionized the shipping industry, allowing me to eat whatever food I want at any time of year, without regard for growing seasons. We understand how continents form, and that the earth moves beneath our feet.

      This is an amazing time, and breakthroughs are happening every day. Many of us just don't see them, because of the sheer volume we encounter, and the rate of change we have become accustomed to.

    5. Re:Agreed 100% by tgd · · Score: 0

      What happened to humanity? We used to dream about bright space future, flying cars, scientific progress and stuff like that. And we had hope to achieve all of this if we put enough effort into it. And now I think we lost that hope.

      I don't see people dreaming about anything more than getting a million dollars and doing 2 chicks at the same time.../quote>

      WTF, I don't get flying cars, space ships, a million dollars or two chicks at once.

      I can't even have a good present, much less future!

    6. Re:Agreed 100% by wilhelm · · Score: 1

      Well said. Often it's hard to see the progress that's happening all around us, simply because we're stuck in the middle of it.

    7. Re:Agreed 100% by Goalie_Ca · · Score: 1

      I think people are pretty bright and happy about technology and medicine. Every year is the year of the linux desktop and every year MS gets closer to defeat.

      On the flip side, I think people are more skeptic about a bright and happy social future. While the nerd population is getting more educated than ever before, it seems the majority of the population is as ignorant as always. There is a growing divide between us. There is also the fact that governments and leaders always slightly corrupt or stupid (or both!). How many people have hope?

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    8. Re:Agreed 100% by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Whilst at a technological standpoint you are quiet correct and I agree completely, in my 25 years of living there have been amazing advances in all fields of science.

      However,

      At a social, cultural and imaginative standpoint we are most definitely in a modern dark age, few people are imagining new ideas, no new great works of art are being made. Western culture has turned into a factory producing clones of what was most purchased last week, more emphasis on marketing than producing works of art, if it has no guarantee of being sold then it wont be developed.

      I don't see drawings and paintings like these any more, they have been replaced with marketing committee designed CG and advertising. No interesting and new stories have been written, most of my favorite books were written before my birth, the last good movie I saw was based on the works of JRR Tolkien (who died before I was born), the last concert I went to was for a band that formed in the 90's (Foo Fighters). My greatest fear from all this is that this aversion to new ideas and complete lack of imagination will bleed into science.

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    9. Re:Agreed 100% by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I don't see people dreaming about anything more than getting a million dollars and doing 2 chicks at the same time...
      I only dream about the former to facilitate the latter.
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    10. Re:Agreed 100% by coder111 · · Score: 1

      The thing about art is that it also obeys Sturgeon's Law. 90% of it is crap.

      You are familar with (subset of) 100% of current art, 90% of which is crap. And you are familar with (subset of) 10% of old art that is not crap because it survived the test of time. You have to take it into account when judging art.

      There are definitely good movies and books made nowadays. And there are worthy artists. You just have to dig deeper to find them.

      --Coder

    11. Re:Agreed 100% by MrKaos · · Score: 1
      All tell-tale signs that we have commenced the 21st Century however for many in the third world those technologies are still not accessible. Their way of living still hasn't changed much and if anything has gotten worse due to the first worlds voracious use of resources required to support our "advancement".

      The issue of course is resources that can only be accessed from space to support "advancement" that brings us out of mediocrity, because for all of those excellent advancements you cite, we still live at home. We haven't tested ourselves in a way that guarantees humanities survival and allows access to technology for all, as the space age is yet to begin.

      As a species, and more so those participating in this very conversation, live at the peak of human society as you rightly pointed out, but the realisation that we live in a time where most of the world lives with crippling poverty that denies them the benefits of such technology makes our technological advancements seem incredibly vapid and self serving, because of our inability to share them in a sustainable way.

      Our affluence should make us more generous and the realisation of our mediocrity (and these pictures remind us all of our mediocrity) should drive us to take those steps into space that makes those visions of a space based humanity look quaint instead of a wonderous possibility of what we still haven't achieved. If we are complacent then I'm afraid our future won't look as optimistic as it did in the 1950's and 60's and indeed we are in a modern dark ages, because all this technology is great but without a space age the question for us is whether this is the beginning or the end of human history.

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  17. I knew moon landing was hoax by netdur · · Score: 1
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  18. wish the space race is still on... by nerdyalien · · Score: 0

    If something worth noting in 20th century.. it is the space race. Two big powers, trying so hard, investing billions on research to conquere the space. WoW!!! We saw saturn-5, black bird, harrier and many other great stuff, at first look.. we just say "awesome" in that era.

    Space race ended after the fall of berlin wall. In world peace sense, it is one of the greatest thing happened last century. But it also marks the end of some bleeding edge technology, creativity. If you think about many technologies which we enjoy today are infact directly or indirectly influenced by the technologies developed in those space-race days.

    Tell you one nice example. Back in cold war, Americans sended these mini-sattelites. They just take photographs of russia, then land (more likely.. crash landing) somewhere. In that.. they didn't use typical film roles and stuff. Instead, they take gray images, pixel-ize, each gray shade has a distinct number in a scale.. which then printed in a recorder. Which is highly sophisticated and un-hackable by that times technology. (I saw this on Discovery) Think.. this is the start of pixel based digital imaging. Still I find it WoW!

  19. My suggestion by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 1

    Look! Rare Soviet Retro-Future Space Art!

    1. Re:My suggestion by twistedsymphony · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      L@@K! Soviet Retro-Future Space Art! RARE! NIB NR
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  20. I'm reminded of 1970s Maplin catalogue covers. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

    I wish I could remember who did them. Lovely "space scenes". I also wish I still had some of the catalogues, but not half as much as how much I wish Maplin still stocked the goodies they did then.

    1. Re:I'm reminded of 1970s Maplin catalogue covers. by Epsillon · · Score: 1

      Indeed, not to mention Cirkit, who stocked Toko coils and other such useful goodies. In fact, ISTR Cirkit's catalogues were more than a bit spacey. Of course, all this nostalgia is a bit like the feeling of being on the cutting edge when pulling down Telesoftware from Ceefax...

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  21. 2001 Artwork by FiveLights · · Score: 1

    The pieces identified as:
    image credit: Klaus Burgle
    TM cover, Russia 1953
    and "Nuclear Rocketship" by Frank Tinsley, 1959

    really remind me of some of the artwork from 2001: A Space Odyssey. At least the artwork I remember being on the album for the movie. I suppose there just aren't many ways of seeing people standing around on the moon!

  22. LOL'd at this one by blind+biker · · Score: 1

    Looks a bit.. funny Or maybe it's just my dirty fantasy.

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    1. Re:LOL'd at this one by zifferent · · Score: 1

      That's ok, the second picture in is highly phallic and suggest the penetration/piercing of a vagina shaped nebula.
      I probably wouldn't have noticed but it didn't take much imagination at all.

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  23. This brought tears to my eyes by Wiseleo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I recognize quite a few of those illustrations.

    That's what partially inspired me to go into tech in the first place. I wanted to make those images a reality.

    An interesting piece of trivia - pictures credited with TM were published by the official magazine of the Central Committee of the Communist Party. This magazine was targeted at teens. Among other things, we had ZX80 source listings, MK61 programmable calculator listings, and so forth. Those were simple games that I would have to painstakingly type in on my MK61 calculator in RPN notation. Yet they taught me the principles of directly addressing a microprocessor. I had a subscription to many of these magazines since I was 5. Yet now in US we are experiencing a rapid decline in science education. It sounds unthinkable that Whitehouse would sponsor something like this, even though the expense would be trivial and would promote agencies like NASA. Something needs to happen before we wind up a 3rd world country due to lack of science, lack of big dreams, and apathy. That's precisely what USSR did. Even though the scientists were paid miserly wages, the children were inspired to get involved in building the future. I don't ever see big dreams promoted in the US. Everything is compartmentalized, processed, antisocial, and really not inspiring.

    I will own several of the technological marvels such as flying cars within a few years. I will do it because I still have dreams and still remember what inspired me. But will others? Or will they be toiling away in overwhelming debt unable to see through the haze of daily stress? The only thing I can think of that is good for science and inspiration lately is Mythbusters. That's my opinion, but it probably made more than a few kids curious about chemistry at the very least.

    This is so sad that it brought tears to my eyes.

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    1. Re:This brought tears to my eyes by KnowledgeKeeper · · Score: 2, Funny

      Comrade Knyshov, so this is where you ended up. We 've been looking for you.

      :)

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    2. Re:This brought tears to my eyes by drgonzo59 · · Score: 1
      Among other things, we had ZX80 source listings, MK61 programmable calculator listings


      Yeah, I remember the Yuniy Tehnic, Tehnika Molodyoji and Modelist Konstruktor. I had a cheap Soviet replica of ZX Specturm called BYTE. It came with a crappy rubber keyboard, so I canibalized the keys from an old Soviet fax machine and sodered them onto the PCB contacts of my BYTE. It looked ugly as hell, but it worked for years and years.


      Then I remember I had a C, Pascal, Forth and LaserBasic(?) compiler on it. Tons of games (Manic Miner, Chase HQ, Equinox, Ikari ...) -- those were the days. Today's games are a million times more realistic, my processors are faster, we got wireless but the thrill is still not the same as when I was writing my own Z80 assembler interpreter, maybe it's just me getting old...

  24. Anyone else notice. . . by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

    the two odd (interesting?) things about these pictures?

    1. Almost without exception, the ships depicted in space, on the moon, etc, are shown with pointy or round noses. If you're in space, you don't have to worry about aerodynamics and certainly not on places which have no atmosphere (the moon).

    2. The first picture below To Saturn and beyond: shows people on a moon of Saturn wearing full spacesuits EXCEPT for the camera man.

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    1. Re:Anyone else notice. . . by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      2. The first picture below To Saturn and beyond: shows people on a moon of Saturn wearing full spacesuits EXCEPT for the camera man. It's obviously depicting a scene of decadent westerners faking another "triumph of American ingenuity", just like they did with the so-called moon landings (not to mention that whole Mars scandal in 1978).
  25. Notice by hey! · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Notice how few of these images center on a single individual. Mostly they are space-scapes or pictures of massive engineering projects in which people are tiny figures like in an architect's model, if they appear at all.

    There's only one image that would be typical of a US sci fi magazine cover, with the handsome space pioneer man in the foreground and his female counterpart in the background. Even so, there is little suggestion that the pioneer man plays a key role as an individual in whatever action is being depicted.

    This might be an artifact of selection, but it's tempting to speculate that this reflects a collectivist view of the future. Still, I have a certain kitschy fondness for Socialist Realism school of art, and many such works do use an heroic individual as a focal point -- albeit either an anonymous one or a historical hero like Lenin. Arguably in either case, Socialist Realism uses the individual functioning as a representative of the working class.

    These images are quite austere and free of any hint of individuality as a focal point in the imagined future.

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    1. Re:Notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also thought it was interesting that none of the views of Earth clearly showed the USSR. There were a few very clear representations of North/South America and Australia, but Russia is always on the edge and never distinctly outlined.

  26. What a nightmare.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..is the code of the original blog article. When I hit the page I wondered why is was so SLOW SLOW SLOW.

    Aha. Reveal Source shows why: the linked page has 2300 lines of evil garbage code and only about 10 lines of actual content.

    Wrapped around the tiny sliver of content it has TONS of Google adwords javascripts, in-numerable crap links to rubbish sites and affiliate-deal retailers and crap-merchants, various suss i-frames being called in by the code, in-numerable remote links calling down remote image and javascripts etc etc ad nauseum.

    Oh, and I also shouldn't forget to mention the **5** or more shitty stat counting javascripts (sitemeter, easyhitcounters, urchin, mybloglog.com etc) that page also pulls in and which want to set cookies on my PC and do God knows what else.

    Die!!! darkroastedblend.com. If there was a Hell for web developers, I'd happily see you hurled into there, alongside the very worst of the MySpacers and other HTML hooligans.

    Pity the Slashdot traffic didn't melt your server down to a blob of slag. You deserve it.

  27. _Atoms for Peace_ posters? by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

    These are interesting, but my favorite "retro" art of that era is still the work done by Erik Nitsche for General Dynamics' "Atoms for Peace" program.. Anyone know where I can find reproductions?

  28. Incompetence happened by roystgnr · · Score: 1

    "It's only been half a century since we developed powered flight, and we're on our way to the Moon" is inspiring.

    "It's been half a century since we went to the Moon, and we're having trouble just putting a little space station in Low Earth Orbit" is depressing.

    Or as someone else summed it up: "The Cold War is over." Nobody who could afford to build orbital spaceships ever really wanted to, not when making really big ICBMs was all it took to embarrass the Soviets, and certainly not after our first spaceship prototype turned out to be a flop.

  29. Right on the money... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    If you read some of the SF that was illustrated by those pictures, you'll find out that in most of them - its one united communist world.

    And not just any communist world. Its makes Star Trek with its space battles and wars seem like a second rate utopia.
    Capitalism, hunger, disease, wars, borders, ignorance - all of that is extinct.

    On the other hand, some visions were quite... bizarre.

    I remember reading this book where soviet (as in Soviet Earth) cosmonauts are on a mission to some far away planet or other and along the way they stumble upon a earlier era.
    It is not explicitly mentioned, but it is obvious that what they find is a US military starship. The crew was dead because of the inadequate radiation protection or something.
    But the part that was most amusing was how cosmonauts reacted to pin-up posters on the walls.
    From not understanding the purpose of posters of naked women on the walls, to questions like why are their lips and nails painted red.

    Now... a utopia where people don't understand the concept of disease or capitalism... OK.
    But one where they don't know about porn and makeup?

    Riiiight... I guess they also forgot how to make beer.

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    1. Re:Right on the money... by kaiwai · · Score: 1

      The ideal within communism is that without all those negatives women wouldn't resort to pornography and prostitution. They see those as a by product of the lack of equality between the sexes - the idolising of females rather than treating them as equals.

    2. Re:Right on the money... by denzacar · · Score: 1

      Well... one could argue that them being communist, they just didn't understand the supply-demand laws.

      But it is more likely that they just needed to point out how those "others" are (were) decadent capitalist monkeys.

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    3. Re:Right on the money... by kaiwai · · Score: 1

      They understand supply and deamdn (they don't magically disappear in a communist society), what they don't understand is how someone could do that to themselves - the fact that the viewed the individual is so desperate, they literally did what they did to survive - that dressing up that way wasn't a voluntary choice, it was simply done to survive.

      Christianity/Religion holds the same view of the above scenario - hence, Marxists of today, especially in Italy, are now asking whether they need to actually talk to religion given how close they are when it comes to social issues such as the eleviation of poverty and exploitation.

  30. Both of you... by denzacar · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Turn of the computer, get outside and find yourself a girlfriend. NOW!

    Or at least prostitute.

    Vagina shaped nebula? Good good...

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  31. Interesting, the ideal of female equality by Jim+in+Buffalo · · Score: 2, Informative

    One thing you can say about the Soviets, they had among their ideals equality between the sexes.

    In one of the paintings there's a woman standing next to a man, and they're both wearing the same outfit and appear to be equals in the space endeavor, which is a far cry from how space exploration was portrayed in the USA, with only white men permitted to go anywhere near a spaceship.

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    1. Re:Interesting, the ideal of female equality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they didn't. Even just prior to the dissolution of the Soviet Union, women were subservient to men. It is a throwback to their founding which never truely dissapeared.

  32. "A"! I MEANT A PROSTITUTE!! by denzacar · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I just hope I am not too late.

    I also wrote god with one "O"? I need coffey...

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    1. Re:"A"! I MEANT A PROSTITUTE!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you also completely missed the fact that blind biker doesn't like girls.

  33. Re:Anyone know where I can find reproductions? by objekt · · Score: 1

    Go to http://www.flickr.com/photos/eriknitsche, download the original size images, print them up on a wide format printer.

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  34. Wait for it ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These images represent the next wave in "retro" designs we'll see out of Detroit's automakers.

  35. Manned vs unmanned by SamP2 · · Score: 1

    Tradition states that only a manned launch is considered a "first" for gloating purposes. If you count unmanned launches, then the Soviets were first on the Moon, Mars, and Venus.

  36. Projecting the past into the future by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

    Check out that image of the determined manly man in a space suit working away while the young lady in a skirt and holding a Raggedy Anne doll looks on in wonder.

    It reminds me of one early Star Trek episode where Kirk turns to a very short skirted Yeoman Rand and says something like "get me some coffee honey".

  37. More by rinkjustice · · Score: 1

    There's more Soviet space art here and here.

    Which makes me wonder, what other coolness have the Russians been hiding behind their backs?

    1. Re:More by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      what other coolness have the Russians been hiding behind their backs? I have very reliable sources that have revealed that the Soviets built an underground moon base in the 70s. The entrance is in a crater and not visible from above. They lost radio contact sometime in the late 80s, and the cosmonauts living there don't know the Cold War is over. Vladimir Putin knows about this base and wants to utilize it in his master plan to resurrect the Soviet Union.
  38. Hmm by mqduck · · Score: 1

    What exactly are the two men on the right trying to do in this one?

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  39. Paleo-Future by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 1
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  40. Did anyone else find... by NUBlackshirts · · Score: 1

    the B&W pic of the tentacled vehicle somewhat disturbing? Seems that, in the future, we somehow harness giant octopi to power our planetary surface exploration vehicles. Also, the Mars Snooper looks just like the Estes rocket of the same name from "back in the day."

  41. The Fountain by Mopatop · · Score: 1

    Does this picture remind anyone of The Fountain?

  42. MOD PARENT THE HELL UP!!!!!! by ashitaka · · Score: 1

    I'm also guilty of posting a "we live in mundane times" missive in this thread (albeit related to space exploration) but you are right, we aren't seeing the forest for the trees. We take as granted things that were science fiction dreams just a couple of decades ago.

    From time to time I will catch myself thinking "Wow, we are now finally living in the real future" as imagined in the Sci Fi pulps of the past. Step back a bit and take a look at through the eyes of someone from the 50's or 60's.

    The huge, flat TV's that hang on walls like a picture are here!. The cars with sleek aerodynamic designs running on electricity are here! The clean forms of energy that banish the clouds of soot from the sky are here! These things will be improved even more as time goes on.

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  43. Lem was Polish by apankrat · · Score: 1

    Just nitpicking.

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  44. Why is this a surprise? by $criptah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have been living in the States for many years and one thing still puzzles me: Americans know so little about their former enemy. Why is this space art is such a surprise? Do you really believe that all Soviets did was related to drinking vodka and breaking backs in Gulag? Soviet Union had art, music and science. Are you aware of the fact that most Soviet high schools taught organic chemistry in the 10th and 11th grades? Please spare me "but what about the food lines" statements. The system screwed the people beyond belief and there was little that even smart people could do about the political aspect of the country.

    Years ago I recall a question from one of American high school students, "Do bears run on streets in Russia?" I thought that the person was kidding. No, this was a serious question. Apparently the student thought that Soviet/Russian cities (the terms that he used as synonyms) were full of bears and vodka drinking hunters with bad manners. The insulting part was that this question came from somebody who knew nothing about chemistry, physics or calculus in his junior year of high school. We did not have bears, but we had Z80s, programmable calculators, home grown vector processors (Elbrus) and enough nukes to destroy the world. You know, the usual items found in half-way houses :)

    Those who are interested in the subject of art and space may want to read up on Alexey Leonov. He summarized his experiences in space in a book and many drawings. Check out the wiki. I am not sure if any copies of Technical Molodezhi (Technology of the Youth) were translated into English, but it was a really neat magazine. I started reading it as soon as I could read and understand some of the basic concepts. Think of Popular Science + Popular Mechanics + various news articles related to physical sciences combined in one package.

    1. Re:Why is this a surprise? by jagdish · · Score: 1

      Those who are interested in the subject of art and space may want to read up on Alexey Leonov.
      You mean the space ship?


      I know I know, I'm sorry.
    2. Re:Why is this a surprise? by turgid · · Score: 1

      Years ago I recall a question from one of American high school students, "Do bears run on streets in Russia?" I thought that the person was kidding. No, this was a serious question.

      Americans have always been pretty ignorant about the world outside the USA. Just look at their Foreign Policy.

      Back in the early eighties, here in the UK, we used to have political satire TV programmes with such sketch titles as, "The President's Brain is Missing." Of course, now Ronald Reagan looks like Einstein compared to GW Bush.

      Things keep getting worse before they're likely to get better.

      Now with the intarweb, America gets to see how the world sees it, and we get to see how America sees us.

    3. Re:Why is this a surprise? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      You have to understand that we Americans were inundated with ridiculous anti-Soviet propaganda during the Cold War. When I was a kid, I was scared to death of Russians and full of ludicrous misinformation. Years later I came to deeply resent the callous way so many in my generation were manipulated in this way. It particularly irks me the way the Soviet space program was ignored. When I was a kid, I knew the names of every American astronaut, but was only vaguely aware that the Soviets even had a space program. We only heard about their failures. Even today, much of that misinformation persists. Men like Sergey Korolyov should have been celebrated, not hidden away by our governments.

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    4. Re:Why is this a surprise? by $criptah · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do not be hard on yourself. Soviet propaganda managed to taint the image of Americans quite well :) However, I did have higher expectations for the United States because this was the leader of the free world.

      You did not have to go far enough to realize that Soviet Union had issues. Food shortages, poor housing management and never ending agricultural dilemmas were hidden behind clever marketing of the Communist Party. Despite all of that, the Soviets still managed to put a man in space and run a successful weapons program. Overall the country managed to achieve certain success and I could only wonder what the United States could do given the fact that every American family have an opportunity to buy a house, a car and have a swimming pool in the backyard. I thought that Americans would be the first ones to get flying cars and definitely make it to Mars by the year 2000. It took about a year of living in the U.S. to prove this otherwise. While pro-Soviet propaganda blasted us from the early age, in the back of my mind I've always held the States to a higher standard. Americans had Levi's, Fords and vacations in Hawaii while most of the Soviet citizens would consider themselves to be lucky to go abroad to one of the bordering countries.

      I hope that his is behind us. If there is a new Cold War I'd like to stop the Earth and get off it.

  45. it is a matter of perspective by rozz · · Score: 1

    in the communist societies science was not supposed to enrich the scientists or some bunch of bankers and investors, it was supposed to advance the human kind... and that is exactly what science is for.

    the communists did a lot of bad stuff but noone can accuse them for lack of grand scale and long term vision.

    plus, long term thinking is one of the last things to expect from a retard in cowboy boots and a bunch of greedy pigs.

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  46. American vs. Soviet sci-fi by konberg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you compare the American and Soviet science fiction, you will see that American sci-fi novels very often (if not always) carry some military theme or references (invasions, interstellar wars, presence of military personnel and advanced warfare on space ships, etc.), while Soviet and Eastern-bloc writers focus mostly on difficulties of space exploration, daily routines of colonization of other planets, and always promote peaceful resolution of interplanetary conflicts. IMHO.

  47. Zeerust, not "Retro-Future" by goatpunch · · Score: 1

    The word is 'Zeerust', it's a much better word and Douglas Adams defined it, so lets not use these crappy hyphenated words that sound a bit zeerust themselves...

  48. Re: blending soviet and western Sci Fi by Lunzo · · Score: 1

    "The Dispossessed" by Ursula Le Guin might provide the blending of Western and Socialist styles in space that you are looking for. It also happens to be one of my all time favourite books, and is a great read even if it isn't quite what you had in mind style-wise.

  49. The artwork may be Soviet in origin... by geekwench · · Score: 1

    ...but what all of the images depict is a stunning display of hope for the human race as a whole.

    As someone who grew up surrounded by photographs of nebulae and NASA mission patches, it grieves me that space exploration has become such a low priority. Most people in the US not only see it as unimportant, they can't even understand why it was important in the first place. Yes, the Cold War was a mighty spur in the direction of outer space, but NASA's budget was being whittled away long before the Berlin Wall came down. There were plans for fully re-usable spacecraft (one that was far different and more cost-effective than the current shuttle), manned orbital stations, and a moon base before the first manned lunar lander even got off of the ground. Now? We're lucky to see a few shuttle launches per year.

    I've never given up on the vision that these images depict, but I've become sadly resigned to the fact that it will most likely be our great-grandchildren that see it happen, rather than our kids, grandkids, or ourselves. And it seems to me that more people ought to be upset about that.

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  50. Copycat? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    There's something fishy here. The one titled "destination moon" is strikingly similar to a famous piece of Chesley Bonestell's art. The hills and the "scope" are almost verbatim.

  51. Should have added "wrongly"... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    I didn't mean that communism has an inherent flaw for understanding economics - I meant that SOMEone might argue that - wrongly.

    As for the reason for "strangeness" - nah... it was just propaganda.
    It wasn't a really "smart" SF. Pulp space opera...

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  52. The Indians do. by hotsauce · · Score: 1

    Who here honestly thinks tomorrow is going to be better than today? Who here honestly thinks their kids are going to live in a world better than we are?

    The Indians do. And the Chinese do. Probably most of Asia.

    Which is why those places are so exciting right now. I really think Western leaderships need to excite their peoples about the future. We made a lot of progress with that kind of excitement. But it probably requires more than just words, so it will be hard to do.