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A Battlestar Galactica Prequel Series on the Way

kumasame writes "The Sci Fi Channel has announced it will create a prequel to Battlestar Galactica, as the series enters its final season. The two-hour pilot for the production, called Caprica, is expected to be shot in Vancouver this spring with shooting for the series to follow. The first episodes are expected to air this fall. In a Q&A session held yesterday, the creators and stars of the show revealed a number of tidbits of information about the new show and last season of BSG."

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  1. Warning: Spoilers by alnya · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just in case you haven't seen the complete last series, there are some major spoilers in the linked article.

    1. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 5, Funny
      FUCKING HELL. You go to the trouble of RTFAing before reading the comments, and it's too late to know that there is a MASSIVE SPOILER halfway though the article. I was sure i'd seen the entire 3rd season so it must be a 4th season spoiler.

      GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

      PUT A SPOILER WARNING IN THE FUCKING ARTICLE SUMMARY PLEASE! Everyone needs to tag this SPOILER in the meantime.

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    2. Re:Warning: Spoilers by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Funny

      Indeed.HUGE spoilers. Don't RTFA, really.

      The problem with BSG has always been that if you miss even one episode, you're screwed trying to re-establish continuity; and now this new news that Optimus Prime is a Cylon is just the last straw.

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    3. Re:Warning: Spoilers by electrictroy · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Not adding a spoiler warning is pisspoor netiquette. "What's the matter with ya boy? Were ya raised in a barn? Mind your manners."

      Also

      CAPRICA is old news. I've known about this prequel for at least two years now, since it was originally announced mid-season 2.

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    4. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not adding a spoiler warning is pisspoor netiquette. "What's the matter with ya boy? Were ya raised in a barn?"
      Well, it is Zonk.
    5. Re:Warning: Spoilers by glavenoid · · Score: 1

      It should also be noted that both links lead to the same article (for those who don't pay attention or use a crappy browser).

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    6. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Lewie · · Score: 1

      What spoiler? The last new episode (forgetting Razor) was broadcast over a year ago! It can hardly be considered a spoiler if the information has been in the public domain for 12 months. Honestly, keep up.

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    7. Re:Warning: Spoilers by florescent_beige · · Score: 3, Informative

      there is a MASSIVE SPOILER halfway though the article. I was sure i'd seen the entire 3rd season so it must be a 4th season spoiler.

      Are you sure you have seen right to the very very end of the very very last episode of season 3?

      There are no season 4 spoilers in TFA.
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    8. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Zumbs · · Score: 1

      I only saw the final episodes of 3rd season a few weeks ago - and I know many who's only seen it halfway through the 2nd season. So it would have been nice having spoiler warnings.

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    9. Re:Warning: Spoilers by pdbaby · · Score: 1

      You go to the trouble of RTFAing before reading the comments, and it's too late to know that there is a MASSIVE SPOILER


      You must be new here...

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    10. Re:Warning: Spoilers by just_forget_it · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh PLEASE. Everybody was thinking Starbuck could be a cylon anyway. The article doesn't even say one way or the other, just that most of the ship thinks she is, probably because she CAME BACK FROM THE FREAKING DEAD. It's hardly a "massive" spoiler, if it's even one at all.

    11. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      CAPRICA is old news. I've known about this prequel for at least two years now

      Good for you, so have the rest of us. But, until yesterday, we all thought it wouldn't happen due to Sci-Fi's hardon for all things craptacular and SG-1.

      Act as casual as you want, but this IS a big deal to BSG fans.

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    12. Re:Warning: Spoilers by ajs · · Score: 1

      To be fair, the spoilers only have to do with the previous season, and the revelatory episode in question aired almost exactly a year ago. It's not always reasonable to assume that you'll get spoiler warnings a year later. If you're avoiding information about a series for that long, why are you clicking on a link for news of the upcoming season...?

    13. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Splab · · Score: 1

      I didn't know about BSG until I happened to see an episode at a friends, decided to get it from the beginning, its not more than two months ago I watched it from start to end, so yes even a full year after some people might not have seen it, let alone heard about it even though they might have an interest in the series.

    14. Re:Warning: Spoilers by cvas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      WARNING! I QUOTE THE TITLE AND OPENING BLURB OF THE ARTICLE!! IF YOU DON"T WANT THOSE SPOILED BEFORE YOU GO TO THE SITE, STOP READING!!!!

      I guess you missed this part:

      The streaming revelation along with other show secrets and anecdotes, was revealed last night at the Morgan Library during a panel discussion with series executive producers David Eick and Ron Moore and nine of the show's stars.

      More news on a confirmed BSG prequel, identifying the final cylon and what it's like to find out you're a toaster, all after the jump.


      And while not directed solely at the parent, people need to suck it up and take some personal responsibility. The HEADING of the article is Battlestar Galactica Streams Into Season 4 .

      If people have not even finished season TWO and still read past the title then they have only themselves to blame, either for lack of willpower, inability to grasp the English language, or general stupidity.

      Unless you just got your first computer, chances are you know how this "web" thing works and that going to a site about a show or a movie could possibly contain SPOILERS. Sure it's nice when they give you a warning, but in the Big Bad World, Mommy and Daddy can't always be there to hold your hand or help you make decisions.

      I will make one concession, the Slashdot summary could be better (shocking!). The line about the new show and last season of BSG is a bit ambiguous given the context and state of the show. Does "last season" mean the Final Season (yes, in this case) or does it mean the Previous Season? But even being confused by that, the article itself contained enough warning once you got there. Unless you need huge, 72pt., red spoiler warnings because you're an idiot.

    15. Re:Warning: Spoilers by RAM_Doubler · · Score: 1
      Or if you want nothing *but* spoilers, here's the entire series in 8min 15sec...http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/index.php

      ...a bun in the toaster... Awesome.

    16. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 0, Troll

      i could have sworn i'd watched all of season 3 and i dont remember colonel tigh being a cylon

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    17. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 4, Funny

      oh bugger now i've just posted a spoiler! someone mod me down for gods sake!

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    18. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

      What? AArrrrghh another spoiler.... That wasnt the spoiler i read in TFA....

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    19. Re:Warning: Spoilers by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      Last season ended with Tigh, Chief, Football-dude and one other person (Dee?) in a room all looking at each other (after hearing ghost music for two episodes) all suspecting their Cylons, and tigh saying something to the effect of "Oh Hell No" .

      My vague memory...

      Ahem.

    20. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2, Funny

      Is this a prequel to Gen-X's Galactica or Gen-Y's?

      I want to see the planet of the seventies! Like Logan's Run, with Shaun Cassidy haircuts and Cowl-neck sweaters. MMMMmmm Seymourlicious!

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    21. Re:Warning: Spoilers by jollyreaper · · Score: 3, Funny
      Spoiler? Yeah, I'll say.

      When someone from the audience asked Mary McDonnell, who plays President Roslin, if Barack Obama had approached her to be his running mate, she replied that Hillary had. At which point Douglas quipped: "Hillary's the final cylon." Go and ruin the election for me, why don'cha.
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    22. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What? That Hillary is the final Cylon? Like everyone didn't see that coming.

      I kid, I kid.

      That isn't the spoiler he is talking about.

    23. Re:Warning: Spoilers by infochuck · · Score: 1

      What, you skipped the first three paragraphs, where they talk about revealing "...show secrets and anecdotes..."? Moron.

    24. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! I'm glad I missed BSG now, that was fucking dull, just the words: "we're sorry but the clip you selected isn't available from your location" for 8 minutes. I want them 8 minutes back!

    25. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

      hmm i think i better check what i watched....cheers

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    26. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aaron Douglass nailed it: Hillary is a Cylon!

    27. Re:Warning: Spoilers by zerkon · · Score: 3, Funny
    28. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Poltras · · Score: 1

      I want to see the planet of the seventies! Is it a prequel or a sequel to planet of the apes? I'm really unsure here :P
    29. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      What was most shocking is the revelation that Bob Dylan is a Cylon! Possibly Jimi Hendrix too.

    30. Re:Warning: Spoilers by cyclocommuter · · Score: 1

      He together with 2 or 3 others (who have been identified in TFA as cylons) kept hearing the Bob Dylan song / Jimi Hendrix cover... All along the Watchtower.

    31. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Herschel+Cohen · · Score: 1

      The first link matches the second link; if they really differed, perhaps that was where the spoilers were to be found.

      1st link: http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/03/last-night-the.html

      2nd link: http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/03/last-night-the.html

    32. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      Better not tell anyone about the chief, or Col. Tigh, or Tory the Prez's bitch, or Sam the stud. That would ruin everything.

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    33. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      She's a cylon with a snuke in her snizz.

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    34. Re:Warning: Spoilers by h3llfish · · Score: 1
      It's not just the Season 3 spoilers, there are also some less huge but still (to me) significant spoilers regarding the season yet to air, which is even harder to fathom.

      And then, once a few people post angry comments, she comments back with this little rejoinder:


      Ok so there's been a lot of disappointment by the fact that I didn't include a huge, all caps, neon, flashing light warning that there were spoilers in the post if you weren't up to speed on the season. I'm sorry about that, but I really thought this would stop you from reading if you hadn't finished season three. "The streaming revelation along with other show secrets and anecdotes, was revealed last night at the Morgan Library during a panel discussion with series executive producers David Eick and Ron Moore and nine of the show's stars. More news on a confirmed BSG prequel, identifying the final cylon and what it's like to find out you're a toaster, all after the jump." And that's where I would stop reading if I was worried about spoilers.



      Eeeesh! Sorry I read your article, lady! I won't next time. I am so glad I am not this chick's boyfriend. That must be a rough gig.

      For what it's worth, there was no "jump" for me. I clicked on a link on my Google homepage and was taken right to the article. What's more, there were lots of interesting and non-spoiler facts in the article, such as the fact that there are no plans for a BSG movie, and that Ron Moore directs and episode in Season 4. Those are behind the scenes details, rather than something about the plot. I don't think they diminish anyone's enjoyment of the show.

      To quote a slashdot meme: Sonia, you must be new here.
    35. Re:Warning: Spoilers by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Yep, except that it was Tori not Dee as the "fourth of the final five".

      A better question would be: do any of the OTHER cylons know that those 4 are cylons. There are some serious "things" about the final five that they are walking on broken glass about, meaning that there is something very, very different about those 5.

      Of course, if they did know, then Leoben might have been telling the truth way back when . . . "Adama is a cylon.".

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    36. Re:Warning: Spoilers by JohnSearle · · Score: 1

      What was most shocking is the revelation that Bob Dylan is a Cylon! Possibly Jimi Hendrix too.
      I was sorely disappointed with the addition of the song lyrics into the dialogue. What exactly were they thinking?

      You had better be right about Dylan and Hendrix being Cylons, or I'm going to be pissed at the writers for breaking the atmosphere.

      - John
    37. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arghhhhh!!! I began reading the article before these comments. SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS!!! I closed the page as soon as I read the first one, but even so, some warning would have been nice. I love this show, have been waiting with many others for the final season for far too long it seems, and now I know something I really wish I didn't before the new season has aired. I say again... ARGGHHHHHHHH!!!

    38. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Glsai · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think there is, shortly after the spoiler that everyone is talking about. The second to last bullet point could be considered a spoiler if you read into it, could also be a red herring.

    39. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Arterion · · Score: 1

      So did her viper. Right? Maybe it's a Cylon, too.

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    40. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      When I saw that episode I thought that was a freaking awesome scene, and that they were supposed to be getting close to Earth and Galactica's hull was picking up super faint old radio transmissions, and that the 4 cylons were programmed to seek out Earth which was why they could hear it and so had activated.

      Then later I heard in some interview with the prodcers that the song was not supposed to be from earth, and they just put it in cos they liked it. How dumb is that? Now it just makes no sense at all, as opposed to being super awesome cool. They should be severely beaten for that.

    41. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Opie812 · · Score: 1

      Hey,

      Here are some other spoilers for you too....

      Bruce Willis is dead
      Darth Vader is Luke's dad
      Verbal Kint is Kaiser Sozei
      The planet of the Apes is Earth
      Soylent Green is people

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    42. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Snaller · · Score: 1

      Well that's nothing new, they revealed that in the same episode they revealed that Thor and O'Neil were replicators.

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    43. Re:Warning: Spoilers by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 1

      It's O'Niell, with two l's. There's another Col O'Niel with one l and he has no sense of humor.

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    44. Re:Warning: Spoilers by Snaller · · Score: 1

      Assuming of course you know of whom I speak.

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    45. Re:Warning: Spoilers by tm2b · · Score: 1

      They do not. Rather, only one model does: Number Three does, but has been boxed. When she found out, she apologized and said that she had no idea - but she never had a chance to share the info.

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  2. Best....Pilot...Ever by Boronx · · Score: 1, Funny

    (Blip disappears off of radar)

    Tech: What was that?

    Adama: That was my son.

    1. Re:Best....Pilot...Ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zac: Patrol to fleet, patrol to fleet. I need help!
      (Zac's viper is destroyed and his blip fades from radar)
      Adar: What was that?
      Adama: That was my son, Mr President.

  3. Interesting by GodCandy · · Score: 1

    I tried to watch this series once. I never really got into it (though I dont watch too much tv). I do however have friends who are big into it. I think its great that there working on a 4th series. Hopefully it will be as good as the first 3... or at least as good as I am told the first 3 are.

  4. That's a mistake by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The miniseries and first season of BSG was probably the best science fiction even made for television. But it has declined significantly in quality since then. I'm actually glad this is the last season of the show (since it allows them to give a definite conclusion to the series before it declines even more, and gives them a focus that they lacked in season 3). Making follow-up movies or series is a mistake, and it would only tarnish the name of a once-brilliant series.

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    1. Re:That's a mistake by stevencbrown · · Score: 1

      Do you really think it's declined in quality?

      I got into it a bit late, (got a deal on the mini series plus all 3 series box set), and was glad I did.

      I can kind of see where you're coming from about the second series, as some of it was drifting a bit I thought, but I really enjoyed the third series - feel things are setting up so well, and the last double episode was superb.

      plus Dean Stockwell wasn't in the first series ;-)

    2. Re:That's a mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disagree - sometimes 'reboots' or follow ons do not work (Star Wars prequels) and sometimes they do (Star Wars animated series, Dr. Who). It could work. I do grant that the signal to noise ratio is a little skewed in favor of producing garbage if history is any indicator.

    3. Re:That's a mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the same mistaken preconception that wouldn't die and eventually killed Enterprise. You must be a Cylon.

    4. Re:That's a mistake by fifedrum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I want to respectfully disagree with the opinion that the series is in decline, but I can't, except to qualify it: decline of quality to any degree that matters. IMO, when we compare this series to any other on television, even the lowest quality episode is better than the best quality the rest of the dial has to offer. I believe the intensity of the plots and story lines ebbed and flowed and will peak in season 5 as a natural part of telling this story, and that this isn't taking away from the impact the series had in season 4, or as it moves into the last season. I agree that all episodes aren't created equal. I do definately get the impression they blew their wad in the mini-series and season 1... Even still, this is the first time I've ever watched a television show and literally sat on the edge of my seat fully captured by the story.

    5. Re:That's a mistake by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The "Enterprise" cancellation wasn't murder. It was a mercy killing.

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    6. Re:That's a mistake by electrictroy · · Score: 1

      SEASON people. It's called the "third season" in American television. The word "series" refers to the whole package from episode 1 to the grand finale, and therefore:

      first series == Galactica
      second series == Caprica
      third series == who knows?

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    7. Re:That's a mistake by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, yeah, it's relative of course. It's sort of like pointing out that "The Simpsons" has declined in greatly in quality. Even at their absolute worst, they're still better than 90% of everything else out there. BSG is still easily one of the best TV series of all time, even with the decline. But in the miniseries and 1st season, it was THE best TV series of all time.

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    8. Re:That's a mistake by Speare · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen recent episodes of the new BSG, but I can bet that we're not going to have the same lame conclusion that the original BSG had. I mean, really... Dirk Benedict figuring out how to drive an Earth car on two wheels, twenty seconds after learning that the device runs on an "internal combustion" power source, that set the gold standard for lame series finales.

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    9. Re:That's a mistake by peragrin · · Score: 1

      Yet in the REST of the world it is called series. The world doesn't resolve around America, and I get really annoyed when Hollywood ruins a good story by making it happen in NY or LA instead of the country it came from.

      What's worse is that I live in the USA.

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    10. Re:That's a mistake by kalirion · · Score: 1

      Didn't Scotty program a new OS in 5 minutes on a 20th century computer in one of the Star Trek movies.

    11. Re:That's a mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The miniseries and first season of BSG was probably the best science fiction even made for television. But it has declined significantly in quality since then."

      I've heard this before but think it must come from people uncomfortable with the parallels series 3 draws with Guantanemo, torture of prisoners, extraordinary rendition etc.

      Spoilers? Series 3 has been available on DVD (UK) since January.

    12. Re:That's a mistake by kalirion · · Score: 1

      It would've been in the first season, but from everything I heard it was feeling much better by the end.

    13. Re:That's a mistake by clickclickdrone · · Score: 2, Funny

      But by then they had *really* good object frameworks and a new OS is just like playing with Lego. ;-)

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    14. Re:That's a mistake by sensationull · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I have to agree, the mini-series was fantastic and season one was also really good. Season 2 was pretty good but when season three rolled around it just lost momentum, it became so much about reflecting politics and current events that it became harder to stay interested in. It dragged and slowed down then really just became a pre-staging area for season four.

      I do hope that they pick up the ball for the last season because it was fantastic and still can be if they pick it up a little and mirror current events subtly rather than just adding special effects and a loose plot to the daily news.

    15. Re:That's a mistake by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      )Why don't we compromise and call it based on the country of origin (BBC shows have series, U.S. shows have seasons) and leave it at that? Must we argue over EVERYTHING?

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    16. Re:That's a mistake by electrictroy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well.

      British citizens insist I say "series three" when discussing Doctor Who, or "series one" when discussing Torchwood. And that's fair because both are British shows. I respect that. ----- Therefore it seems reasonable that when discussing American or Canadian shows, you use the American/Canadian designations of "season".

      Respect flows both ways.

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    17. Re:That's a mistake by owlnation · · Score: 1

      The miniseries and first season of BSG was probably the best science fiction even made for television. But it has declined significantly in quality since then. I'm actually glad this is the last season of the show (since it allows them to give a definite conclusion to the series before it declines even more, and gives them a focus that they lacked in season 3). Making follow-up movies or series is a mistake, and it would only tarnish the name of a once-brilliant series.
      Agreed 100%. I gave up watching after the Jimi Hendrix jumping the shark moment. It had been significantly declining since the end of the second season, but that moment was one of the most awful I've ever seen in any Sci-Fi TV show - it made Spock's Brain look plausible.

      The only advantage of a prequel is that might actually give them the opportunity to address the MASSIVE plot holes. New show runners, ones who have vision and can drive a story forward with momentum, ones who understand the rhythm and cadence of a story arc, are must-hires though. The current show runners are the absolute undoubted cause of the poor quality of BSG.
    18. Re:That's a mistake by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Actually the "torture of prisoners" issue was dealt with in Season 1 as well (in "Flesh and Bone"). The problem isn't the way they deal with controversial issues (though it is getting a little heavy-handed); it's in the general writing, weak pacing, and lack of direction. For one thing, season 1 had a good mix of different kinds of episodes, to give the viewer some breathing room. Bleaker episodes like "33" and "Flesh and Bone" were occasionally offset by more upbeat episodes like "Hand of God" and "Colonial Day" (and even some comic relief in "Six Degrees of Separation"). And it had a very strong sense of direction. The season was structured clearly to end with the discovery of Kobol and the realization of a subtle mysticism that had been subtly hinted at throughout the season.

      Season 1 also had an immediacy and mystery that's lacking now. Moore himself referred in an interview once to one of the biggest problems they had on Star Trek--the fact that enemies who are initially frightening can become much less intimidating the more you best them (and get to know them and their flaws and weaknesses). The Cylons were initially a force of nature, a mystery with an unknown agenda. But, in subsequent seasons, we've seen so many of their flaws, so many of their weaknesses. And so they seem to have lost that intimidating air of mystery that they once had. And whatever "plan" they had at first seems to have fallen by the wayside at this point.

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    19. Re:That's a mistake by nedburns · · Score: 1

      I definitely declined in quality. So much so that the wife and I quit watching after weeks of disgust. It started out amazing, but sputtered to the same feet dragging mediocrity most hit shows have been engaging in lately.

      I see the cycle as this:

      1. Creators write brilliant premise, thinking it will never be bought
      2. Some studio gives it a chance
      3. Fans adore it for its originality (even a remake can have originality), quality, storyline, writing, everything else...
      4. Studio gets $$$
      5. Reasonable story arc is nearing completion. Studio/authors want to ride the cash wave as long as possible, so...
      6. Plot stalls, overly complex and wacky characters and situations are added, a few fake deaths here and there, etc
      7. Show sucks for a while, viewers with limited time and attention drift away
      8. Studio gets less $$$, realizes they need to finish the thing
      9. Last several episodes and story arc follow the original concept and have killer ratings. Despite the middle suckiness, fans remember the show as it ended and are happy enough to buy some seasons on DVD
      10. Seeing the DVD sales, studios want to cash in with a spinoff, prequel, etc. This goes over suckily for a while until people have had enough and forget about the show
      11. Just when the show is a vague memory in the corner of people's minds, a writer sees an opportunity to re-write the show and fix its flaws for a new generation.
      12. GOTO 1


      (i know GOTO's are bad form, but it's the entertainment industry, which is pretty badly formed already)

    20. Re:That's a mistake by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      I found the dramatic shift at the start of season 3 very jarring and the content repellent. I almost stopped watching the show. High quality but unenjoyable for me (and a big change).

      Overall it seems like a decent series and I hope they have a good ending in mind (unlike what happened in B5-- I was like "four years and it ends like this???" (and then they tacked on a 5th season after they were not cancelled after all).

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    21. Re:That's a mistake by nedburns · · Score: 1

      *It definitely declined in quality

      I may have too, but the point of the post was the decline in the show, so the typo matters :)

    22. Re:That's a mistake by espressojim · · Score: 1

      But one shouldn't even mention Torchwood.

    23. Re:That's a mistake by Splab · · Score: 1

      Yeah I always wondered about that they have a plan thing. Sometimes they want to annihilate, then enslave, then be friends, then back to slavery and killing. Damnit! make up your AI minds! or at least get some new updates or something.

    24. Re:That's a mistake by Comboman · · Score: 1
      Yet in the REST of the world it is called series.

      I can find no evidence of that. The UK and Ireland call one years worth of episodes a series. But in the rest of the English-speaking world (USA, Canada, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand) it's called a season (Australia's public broadcasting channel uses series but the private broadcasters use season).

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    25. Re:That's a mistake by AGSHender · · Score: 1

      The miniseries and first season of BSG was probably the best science fiction even made for television. But it has declined significantly in quality since then. I'm actually glad this is the last season of the show (since it allows them to give a definite conclusion to the series before it declines even more, and gives them a focus that they lacked in season 3). Making follow-up movies or series is a mistake, and it would only tarnish the name of a once-brilliant series. I disagree. The first season was a phenomenal accomplishment in television scifi, but I thought the third season was the best. It lacked some direction, yes, but it was the best full season presentation of probably any show I've watched. Every episode was like the train was picking up speed, even if you didn't know where it was headed and it kept changing tracks. My non-geek girlfriend and I plowed through the third season in about a week just because we couldn't bear to watch anything else and every episode was so well done.

      As a partially-related aside, "Exodus, Part II" is my favorite episode of any scifi TV show I've ever watched, and if I were compiling a montage of "awesome scenes I love watching over and over" from scifi over the years, that episode would get two entries.
    26. Re:That's a mistake by clickclickdrone · · Score: 1

      Could someone tell me what "jumping the shark" means? (I'm from the UK, asked around the office, just got shrugs)

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    27. Re:That's a mistake by jollyreaper · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The miniseries and first season of BSG was probably the best science fiction even made for television. But it has declined significantly in quality since then. I'm actually glad this is the last season of the show (since it allows them to give a definite conclusion to the series before it declines even more, and gives them a focus that they lacked in season 3). Making follow-up movies or series is a mistake, and it would only tarnish the name of a once-brilliant series. The show had huge potential going in. It has great actors, high production values, and just has a very authentic look. You can buy this is happening. The only problem is that the scripts are all over the fucking place. They're Stephen Kinging it, working without an outline, making stuff up as they go. You have two characters locked in a room, one who has a gun pulled on the other and a genuinely good reason to kill him, something from the past. That reason should have always been there up to this point in the show, influencing motives and actions. Something like that can't just be pulled out of the ass like "Oh, yeah, by the way, remember when it was me who killed your family? Sorry about that." The only thing that the writers can genuinely change their minds on is whether the guy with the gun does or doesn't shoot the other guy.

      I do appreciate the idea of keeping show uber-arcs shorter so they can be punchier, more energetic. I hate it when shows go flabby at the end, churning out piles of drek episodes nobody wants to see. Better to go out with a bang! The thing is, with a premise like BSG, it's perfectly possible to tell additional stories within the setting, in effect keeping the same time slot but cycling out actors and production staff so the energy could be kept fresh. The West Wing sort of did this with seasons 6 and 7, most of the action occurring outside of the White House with main characters shuffled off the board, new ones coming in. If the producers so desired, they very well could have kept the show going with a Santos presidency, naturally swapping out much of the cast and bringing in new energy and ideas.
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    28. Re:That's a mistake by Bemopolis · · Score: 1

      I suffered through the entire series. You heard wrong.

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    29. Re:That's a mistake by mlk · · Score: 1

      Most of the last season/series was really good. It was all the good two parters that would have held up otherwise mediocre seasons/series. I recommend watch the last season/series of Enterprise.

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    30. Re:That's a mistake by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah I always wondered about that they have a plan thing The problem with Sci Fi series is that they always hint that there is some overarching plot arc. But most of time there isn't. They add hooks in episodes when they get a chance and hang more stuff on those hooks when they get a chance. Some episodes are pure filler with neither.

      Because all the episodes are written by different people and they never know how many shows they will get to make or even what order they will air in, there probably isn't an arc. At best they can do arcs that span a season, because that's the longest they can rely on the show running for. Quite possibly the "They have a plan" was written by some marketing guy who's never seen an episode.

      Sorry and all, but the Cylons don't have a plan, just like The Truth was never really Out There.
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    31. Re:That's a mistake by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Informative

      Happy Days had an episode where Fonzie jumped over a shark in a tank of water for no apparent reason. It was so completely ridiculous that the phrase 'Jump the shark' has come to be shorthand for the point where a TV series is basically dead because the writers have run out of ideas.

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    32. Re:That's a mistake by Splab · · Score: 1

      Sorry and all, but the Cylons don't have a plan, just like The Truth was never really Out There.

      That is probably one of the funniest and most insightful lines I've read all week.
    33. Re:That's a mistake by xtinct · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i logged in just to respond and heartily agree with you about how absolutely awesome "Exodus, part II" was...

      when galactica is free-falling on new caprica, launching vipers, and does a jump just a couple hundred feet above the ground...

      and when the galactica is getting pounded by 3+ cylon starships and adama gives his "well, that's it" speech, with that awesome sad orchestral music playing -- just to have lee and the pegasus burst in launching rockets...!!!

      anyway, i thought it was just me who thought that was some of the best FILM i'd ever seen; not just TV. will you be my friend? ;)

    34. Re:That's a mistake by b1nd0x · · Score: 1

      Oh God, who will Apollo choose!? Who Will Starbuck Choose?! Who are the final 5? Is Baltar a Cylon?!

      I sat at the edge of my seat during the third season vomiting into the pail I had placed there for such an occasion.

      Watch The Wire and learn what a show without throwaway episodes and with a long arc the writers know from the beginning looks like.

      Sorry that it doesn't take place in outer space.

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    35. Re:That's a mistake by vacaboca · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...even the lowest quality episode is better than the best quality the rest of the dial has to offer. What's a dial? :)
    36. Re:That's a mistake by mccabem · · Score: 1

      Indeed.

      I won't stretch to say it was perfect or that it was crap like others here else seems to be.

      It was, however, a really good show with lousy theme music (country?? hello??? a little better by the end tho). It was sorely missed in this household - nothing at all was left to replace it, so the advertisers lost our eyeballs altogether. (BSG was all DVR or DVD rentals.....sorry again advertisers)

      Highly recommended to catch Enterprise on DVD if you haven't seen it and are a fan of ST at all.

      For those moaning about it, please go re-watch DS9 and STFU. I never bitched about it at the time since even DS9 was better than 90% of everything else that was on the air, but DS9 was booooooring until the last season or so when it was (drum-roll) cancelled.

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    37. Re:That's a mistake by Snaller · · Score: 1

      "The miniseries and first season of BSG was probably the best science fiction even made for television."

      If you like that kind of science fiction.

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    38. Re:That's a mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't ... Do ... That. Make it stop. Now.
      Oh man that hurt funny.

    39. Re:That's a mistake by r_cerq · · Score: 1

      Having seen the whole thing as well, I disagree. I don't think anyone would dispute it started awfully (well, maybe Berman), but from about the middle of season 3, it started to feel like Trek again.

      I really, really liked season 4 (could have lived without the "oh my baby/clone/hybrid/whatever" stuff, though). And the Mirror episodes were great. (however, I always had a thing for the mirror universe, so I'm biased)

    40. Re:That's a mistake by TheNucleon · · Score: 1

      I thought the trial of Gaius Baltar, especially Lee Adama's monologue at the end, was riveting and brilliant. Although I think there were some slow episodes this past season, on balance I agree that BSG just beats the heck out of most things on TV these days.

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    41. Re:That's a mistake by dcsmith · · Score: 1
      Damnit! make up your AI minds! or at least get some new updates or something.


      Oooo! Updates! That's how the series will end. They find earth in the current day and send Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum (who now do black ops for Ravenwood) to infect the Resurrection Ship with Vista SP1. Then the Cylons crash into the ocean until the Blue Fairy finds them and turns them into REAL little boys and girls. Or the ocean dries up and they find Rodney's hologram on Atlantis. Or they crash into R'lyeh, because, you know, Cthulhu waits with the Senior Partners from Wolfram and Hart. Unless one of the Replicators from the Russian submarine gets to them first. Or they just turn out to be Decepticons from the Delta Quadrant like Twiki.

      Come on, kids. No matter what you think of BSG, it could be WAY worse...

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    42. Re:That's a mistake by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      According to Hollywood, good guys only use Apple computers--unless it's a Sony picture (in which case every good guy uses a Sony laptop, a Sony-Erikson cellphone, and a blu-ray DVD player).

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    43. Re:That's a mistake by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      The Truth was never really Out There.

      It's funny that some of the best TV episodes are often the one-offs that mock their own show and its purported mythology. I always thought the best episodes, by far, of the X-files were the ones penned by Darin Morgan (that made fun of the X-files' silliness and the silliness of conspiracy theorists in general).

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    44. Re:That's a mistake by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Stargate SG1 used to do that, back in the first few series. Whenever they used a TV sci fi cliche - evil twins, montrous voices from the sky, technobabble as a deus ex machina, reusing the same filming locations in multiple episodes and so one of the characters would make a joke about it, which was kind of likeable.

      You're right though, the X files did know how to laugh at itself sometimes. This episode was great -
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Post-Modern_Prometheus

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    45. Re:That's a mistake by fifedrum · · Score: 1

      a dial is a brand of soap, I guess.

      I had to stop and think this weekend when telling my (less than 7 year old) kids to turn to the next station on the dial... they just stopped and stared at me. They're not "stations" and there is no "dial" my wife says... wonderful times, and I'm not even 40 years old!

  5. And, this series will explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    How Starbuck became Darth Vader.

    1. Re:And, this series will explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think an explanation is required. After I have a few cups of that stuff I get pretty evil myself.

    2. Re:And, this series will explain by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, it won't explain how she becomes Luke's father.

      What? I thought this was the spoiler thread!

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    3. Re:And, this series will explain by ByteSlicer · · Score: 1

      Surely you mean Darth Mother?

    4. Re:And, this series will explain by vuffi_raa · · Score: 1

      How Starbuck became Darth Vader. there are a couple of star wars tv series in production- maybe it will be covered there.....- I mean hell, if yoda and vader can fight voldo and sofitia and sigfried, who's to say....
  6. "Hillary's the final cylon." by wiredog · · Score: 5, Funny
    Thanks for the spoiler guys!

    That explains so much...

    1. Re:"Hillary's the final cylon." by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Geez, even that Cylons aren't THAT ruthless.

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  7. One of the best series ever put on television by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It's funny, I expected to really hate it too. When I heard they were remaking Battlestar Galactica and casting Starbuck as a woman, my first thought was "Oh great, another cheeseball, politically-correct retread that pales in comparison to the original." Boy was I wrong. At first I wasn't even going to watch the miniseries, but at the last minute I decided to and it absolutely floored me. It was one of the most aggressively brilliant pieces of television I have ever seen, before or since.

    It was also the first serious attempt to deal with 9-11 that anyone had done up to that point, and it was absolutely gut-wrenching. The idea of tying the premise of a fairly cheesy 70's TV series into 9-11 now seems so obvious, yet who would have thought of it at the time? There is no way you could have made this remake at any other time, or gave it that kind of brutal impact. The shot of those nuclear explosions blanketing Caprica left me just stunned. And seeing that Raptor lifting off and leaving Helo behind was heartbreaking and inspiring at the same time.

    And, amazingly, it got even better in the first season.

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    1. Re:One of the best series ever put on television by electrictroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Where's the 9-11 connection? I don't see it.

      I see lots of connections to WW1 and 2 however.

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    2. Re:One of the best series ever put on television by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Funny

      It has explosions, no other TV show ever had that before.

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    3. Re:One of the best series ever put on television by clickclickdrone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >Where's the 9-11 connection?
      Not so much 9-11 per-se. More the general 'war on terror'. You have an 'enemy' living amongst you at look like you but want to do you harm. Add in state sponsored torture, questions about what is acceptable in war versus peace time and so on. When thy spent some time living on New Caprica there was the issue of one person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

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    4. Re:One of the best series ever put on television by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Informative
      If it wasn't blatantly obvious to you, even on the first viewing, then I can't help you. But there are tons of interviews with Ronald Moore and David Eick where they elaborate on this, if you really need them to draw you a picture. Here is a good quote from Moore that sums it up nicely:

      Looking at it in a post-9/11 world, brings with it a different resonance than it did [in 1978]. It's a surprisingly dark premise. Twelve entire planets are wiped out in the pilot; entire civilizations destroyed and the survivors are on the run from the enemy. They're not heroically doing anything except trying to survive and hunting for a place called Earth... In the original version, where the characters are coming to peace, and in the version I want to tell where they are at peace, suddenly this bolt from the blue happens and it just shocks their collective psyche in a very profound way... What happens to the people in Galactica is what happened to us in September, but in several orders of magnitude larger. It's sort of like saying September 11th happens, but the only people who survive are the people inside the Twin Towers. So it feels like what we'll be able to do is play out the psychic and emotional reverberations of that kind of an apocalypse through the characters and through the series.
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    5. Re:One of the best series ever put on television by electrictroy · · Score: 1

      Sounds more like the Cold War than 9/11. After all, 9/11 only killed a few people, not billions. See the tv miniseries "The Day After" for a closer comparison to what Galactica represents.

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    6. Re:One of the best series ever put on television by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Well, you obviously know better than Ronald Moore of David Eick what BSG is all about.

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    7. Re:One of the best series ever put on television by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Good point. This whole "they are among us" hysteria isn't just limited to 9-11.

      People in general (especially teenagers) just tend to be self centered and
      think that they are the only people since the beginning of time that have
      ever "suffered" in the same way. As far as the WWII connection goes, there
      were concentration camps set up in the US to deal with the whole "they are
      among us" hysteria. Just ask George Takei.

      We need a spoof where communist pod people start replacing Cylons...

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    8. Re:One of the best series ever put on television by electrictroy · · Score: 1

      They may be the creators, but that doesn't give them the right to dictate my thoughts or opinions. In my opinion, Galactica is more like "The Day After" or "Jericho" than the destruction of two buildings that happened September 11, 2001.

      It's a matter of scale, and the destruction experienced on Galactica far exceeds anything we've experienced.

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    9. Re:One of the best series ever put on television by ravergonemad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I do think there was one connection, the wall of pictures of family members lost as they hope they are still alive, seems chillingly similar to pictures posted in NYC after the attacks.

    10. Re:One of the best series ever put on television by Hal_Porter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Where's the 9-11 connection? I don't see it. Cylon suicide bombers because they have no fear of death due to their fanatical belief in an alien religion? Cylons making a dramatic surprise attack that causes a liberal democracy to become markedly less liberal and start torturing its opponents?

      Naah, you're right, no 9/11 references at all.

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    11. Re:One of the best series ever put on television by metamechanical · · Score: 1

      Peter: Brian, are you suggesting that Battlestar Galactica didn't change everything? Brian: What? No, I was just... Peter: 'Cause Battlestar Galactica changed everything, Brian! Battlestar Galactica changed everything! Brian: Peter, you didn't even know what Battlestar Galactica was until the reimagined series.

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    12. Re:One of the best series ever put on television by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Oh great, another cheeseball, politically-correct retread that pales in comparison to the original." Boy was I wrong.

      Nope. You were correct. Starbuck, Boomer, and Jolly all male characters turned into women. Adama a put out to pasture has-been with emotional issues. Col. Tye an incompetent angry drunk. Baltar a pussy-whipped pansy. Apollo with anger issues. The only characters without any flaws are the females. If that ain't politically correct then I don't know what is.

      Now, the bombing of Caprica by the Cylons, that was massive-cool.

    13. Re:One of the best series ever put on television by shinma · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The destruction wasn't really the part that makes it resemble 9/11. It's the tactics of the governments, the treatment of the military, and of course, the paranoia over who is and who isn't a Cylon (terrorist) that does.

      The Cylons are largely religious zealots, the humans are doing terrible things largely out of fear, and they're damaging their own liberty and sanity to do so. The entire series is a statement on the war in Iraq.

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    14. Re:One of the best series ever put on television by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I still can't believe that people can't see this. They made it about as blatantly obvious as they could have without having the residents of Caprica wearing "I Love NY" t-shirts.

      I really do think that most people suffer from an innate inability to see beyond the most basic literal level on anything they encounter. As Lex Luthor once wisely said "Some people can come away from reading War and Peace thinking it's a mere adventure story."

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    15. Re:One of the best series ever put on television by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Starbuck and Boomer don't have any flaws? Are we watching the same show?

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    16. Re:One of the best series ever put on television by sir+fer · · Score: 0

      So for you 3,000 is "a few" I'd hate to hear your idea of a lot I nominate this post for the most retarded thing ever said on the internet.

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    17. Re:One of the best series ever put on television by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It had to get better in the first season. It couldn't have gotten worse. The TV show has been brilliant, but the "miniseries" (all 2 episodes of it) was crap.

      In the 70s show, humanity was beaten. They walked right into a fairly obvious trap with their eyes wide open and were stupid. They were outmaneuvered, the people were led by bad leaders, and they paid for it. Their same bad leaders even tried to repeat the same mistake, which is pretty much what our own leaders are good at. It was a good story, and it was unfortunate it was diluted by the 70s style of "action show" writing that networks insisted on back then.

      In the current version, humanity got blindsided. Not even ignored warnings (as in our real 9/11). No obvious bad leadership (ditto). Nothing other than "we're all victims who did nothing at all to provoke this", which was pretty much the prevailing sentiment after 9/11. That, and humanity's biggest mistakes seemed to be creating the Cylons in the first place and then losing track of them--both of which happened decades before this attack. In that regard, the show served as validation of our own mix of myth and fact about what happened that day. Possibly what Ron Moore wanted, but crap nevertheless.

      Besides that, there's the obvious absolute replication of Earth western military with barely a hint of trying to make it "alien" or even just a little different. Calling radio "wireless" isn't good enough. Worse still, the wardrobes include suits and ties (an unforgivable sin in my book--Babylon 5 handled business dress quite well without those abominations), it's good that the TV series writing has been excellent, because this show had a lot against it from the beginning. I still know people who refuse to watch the show because of these things and more, which is just plain unfortunate. It really is very good overall.

    18. Re:One of the best series ever put on television by kaos07 · · Score: 1

      This is blatantly off-topic but I wouldn't try to argue that the US was a "liberal democracy" before 2001.

    19. Re:One of the best series ever put on television by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      If the US was as bad as Americans complain it is then there wouldn't be so many people complaining because they'd all have either been sent to Gitmo (for complaining) or stopped complaining to avoid getting sent to Gitmo.

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  8. Lets call it a "do over"` by Shivetya · · Score: 3, Interesting

    because the show jumped the shark in the third season killing off Starbuck only to show her coming back next season.

    Really, I was enjoying the show very well until deep into the third we had four lead character singing that damn song and Starbuck dieing and coming back.

    Caprica - subtitled "Oops, sorry 'bout that"

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    1. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by Ngarrang · · Score: 1, Interesting

      because the show jumped the shark in the third season killing off Starbuck only to show her coming back next season.

      Really, I was enjoying the show very well until deep into the third we had four lead character singing that damn song and Starbuck dieing and coming back.

      Caprica - subtitled "Oops, sorry 'bout that" Okay, Karma be damned, but I have to say it. This new show jumped the shark when the idiot producer made the changes he did from the actual Battlestar Galactica show. This new show was never BSG, only a poser. There was nothing wrong with the original series, except for being a product of its time. But, change the genders of the most loved character? Bah! Heresy, I say! This show deserves its death. Name the show anything else and it might have had a higher standing in my eyes, but to degrade a classic in such an insipid way?
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    2. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by magarity · · Score: 5, Interesting

      and Starbuck dieing and coming back.
       
      There wasn't a body - she just disappeared. So whether she was killed or not is left to your imagination. Maybe she fell into a trans-warp dimensional flux rift in spacetime or somesuch Star Trekish thing.
       
      Also, remember the prophesy the priest revealed way back when they were still at Kobol: a renegade demon will lead the way to Earth. Has everyone just assumed that referred to a Sharon?
       
      Personally, I'm still holding out for Ellen to be the final Cylon. She was too much of a mess otherwise.

    3. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by kalirion · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I never understood myself how they made the connection from having a song stuck in their head to being cylons.

    4. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by Jonny_eh · · Score: 1

      Or maybe she's a cylon?
      When a cylon dies, they get regenerated back at a mothership.

      Starbuck 1 dies, Starbuck 2 lives.

      BSG Season 4 spoiler: Everyone's a cylon!

    5. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by clickclickdrone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I thought the song was just their 'switch on' code and them hearing it and feeling a urge to go to the meeting room was part of them being 'enabled'

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    6. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 2

      I thought they killed of Starbuck since she was also doing another TV show. Granted same owners (Sci-Fi and NBC) but usually most networks do not like the 'stars' doing more then one full time show. Of course BSG remake of a 70's tv show and so is Bionic Woman. A pattern maybe? Is Buck Rodgers next?

    7. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      Okay, Karma be damned, but I have to say it. This new show jumped the shark when the idiot producer made the changes he did from the actual Battlestar Galactica show. This new show was never BSG, only a poser. There was nothing wrong with the original series, except for being a product of its time. they kept so much of the BSG universe though, i think they did a really good job updating it to the times. if you really want to know what was wrong with the original series though, it was Boxy and his robot dog
    8. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by Peter+La+Casse · · Score: 1

      People who like songs from 1968 are Cylons!

    9. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by The+Great+Pretender · · Score: 1

      I have to say that the return of Starbuck and the 'song' lead me to hedge on the bet that there are two sets of cylons. The ones that attacked the colonies at the beginning and one set who have already found or are from God/Earth (the missing tribe) and want to bring all the 'children' home and together. Just my 2 cents

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    10. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by westlake · · Score: 1
      a renegade demon

      Now there is a provocative phrase. The renegade demon - from the Cylon point of view - would almost certainly have to be a Cylon.

    11. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by Ritorix · · Score: 1

      The song was an device to indicate to the viewer their dawning awareness of their cylon-ness. One of the podcasts explained it along those lines.

    12. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Is Buck Rodgers next?


      Only so long as they can get someone who can approach Erin Gray in natural beauty when wearing a metallic full-body jumpsuit.

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    13. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by Warlock7 · · Score: 1

      When exactly did that statement get made? I don't recall ever hearing it uttered during the show.

    14. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Funny

      I never understood myself how they made the connection from having a song stuck in their head to being cylons. Peanut butter jelly time! Peanut butter jelly time!

      Ha! You're all Cylons now, too!
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    15. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Correction: Muffit was a robotic daggit, not a dog.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daggit

    16. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by JohnSearle · · Score: 1

      BSG Season 4 spoiler: Everyone's a cylon!
      And they're all in the Matrix.
    17. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      A pattern maybe? Is Buck Rodgers next? Could be.

      It's not like "Buck Rogers in the 25th century" was an original concept, and it's not like there are going to be that many people offended by another attempt to retell the age old story of boy joins military, boy gets frozen, boy wakes up 500 years later.
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    18. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by h4rdc0d3 · · Score: 1

      I agree. I was never sold on the idea that they are cylons. Yes, something odd happened to all of them and they think they are cylons, but it was never confirmed. Every time I hear/read someone mention it, I always think "we don't know that yet!".

      These characters don't fit the same model as the other human-like cylons (at lease Tigh, the Chief and Starbuck don't - we don't really know enough about Anders and Roslin's assistant). All of the other skin-jobs are new people, no one has ever met or seen them before the war (or at least shortly before). These "new" cylons have been around for a while - hell, Adama has known Tigh since before the first Cylon war. I suppose it's possible that the real characters were captured/killed and replaced with cylon look-a-likes, but as I said, that just doesn't fit with the rest of the story.

      Until it's confirmed on the show, I'm just not convinced.

    19. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by nine-times · · Score: 1

      There wasn't a body - she just disappeared. So whether she was killed or not is left to your imagination. Maybe she fell into a trans-warp dimensional flux rift in spacetime or somesuch Star Trekish thing.

      I don't remember too well, but didn't Apollo see her ship explode?

    20. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... but to degrade a classic in such an insipid way?

      I'm reminded of a friend back in high school. For him, ice cream had to be chocolate. Not vanilla, not even chocolate with chocolate chunks. Just plain, simple chocolate.

      One time, I got him an ice cream at one of those places that mixed M&Ms into it. He spent the entire time complaining about how the perfect ice cream had been ruined by these people (and by extension, by me, for liking it that way).

      Obviously, chocolate ice cream had some deep-seated association for him. I never figured out the exact cause, but it seemed to be related to the time when he first became a teenager.

      Your attraction to the old BSG seems similar. You want it exactly the was it used to be - if Ron Moore had changed anything, you would still be here complaining. If he had left Starbuck as a male, you would complain about the change from Starbuck as a name to being used as a callsign. If he'd left that alone, you'd want the annoying 'yahren' and 'centon' back.

      And to your point, if he had changed the name, but borrowed any of the elements of the original show, you'd be here complaining about his lack of originality.

      In short, there is nothing that Moore could have done to make you happy. I'm glad he didn't try. Because now we have something that on its worst day is better than 99% of the stuff that's out there.

    21. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by dorsey · · Score: 1

      A "daggit" is a dog. While the robotic version looked more like a little bear, the only live "daggit" seen in the show was clearly an ordinary dog.

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    22. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by davidsyes · · Score: 1

      Yeh, but will they be able to reproduce the episode "Space Rockers"?

      http://www.tv.com/buck-rogers-in-the-25th-century/show/2724/trivia.html

      That was ONE rightiously FUNKY episode MAN!

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    23. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by magarity · · Score: 1

      As I recall she went in one side of a cloud bank and didn't come out the other side.

    24. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by raehl · · Score: 1

      I saw that episode. With my wife. Now, I'm a BSG fan. My wife watches it because I watch it and some of her friends watch it. Episode ends. And I'm like "WTF does all that mean?" and she's like "They're all Cylons!"

      I still don't get it. Nothing about the episode says to me that they're definitely Cylons. Or even probably Cylons. Wouldn't have even occurred to me that it was a possibility if my wife hadn't pointed it out.

      I'm hoping it turns out that they're NOT actually Cylons, and have just convinced themselves that they are, and I'm thus just waaaay smarter and less gullible than the average viewer.

      Somehow I doubt that'll be the outcome though.

    25. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by KwKSilver · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'm still holding out for Ellen to be the final Cylon. She was too much of a mess otherwise.
      Same thing occurred to me while watching the Season 1 DVD. When Ellen showed up, she said something like, she came to consciousness while already on the refugee fleet and had no idea of how she got there. Hmmh.... Furthermore, if Ellen and Tigh are both Cylons, it would help to explain why they had no children either, because two Cylons can't reproduce sexually for some reason. Finally, IIRC, it seems like D'Anna Biers/Three was absolutely shocked when she realized who the Final Cylon was. YMMV
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    26. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by serutan · · Score: 1

      My theory is that the Galactica is about 40 light years from present-day Earth. Radio waves carrying Jimi Hendrix music from the 60s are passing through the ship's structure and are somehow being converted to sounds, which those characters alone can hear because of their cylon nature.

    27. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by Boricle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just watched this on DVD last night.

      You can definitely see the explosion and much shiny fireworks.

      You can't see any debris

      Immediately prior to the explosion, you can see her reaching down towards the ejector / emergency release handle.

      Plenty of ambiguity.

    28. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` by magarity · · Score: 1

      Browsing the DVDs I think it was season 2, 2 part episodes titled 'Home'. I don't have time to watch them right now but I'm pretty sure that's where it is.

  9. The 1980's want their show back by OnslaughtQ · · Score: 1

    Okay, so the 1980's redo and this show aren't exactly the same, but come on, if a land-based show failed the first time, why do it again?
    For the same reason, when people ask me if I've watched the new Knight Rider, I reply, "No. I already saw Knight Rider 2000 and Viper"

    1. Re:The 1980's want their show back by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 1

      Given the massive positive response to BSG, I'd say that the show's performance answers your question. Critically, it's been frequently regarded as a masterpiece. For a show on Sci Fi, ratings have even been quite good. The only problem is that it costs a lot to make it, and when Sci Fi can instead fund horribly written, poorly acted, comparatively dirt cheap shows like Atlantis and get ratings even on the same order of magnitude, they're financially better off doing so, at least in the short term. Still, four seasons is nothing for BSG to be ashamed of. I don't think many of us look at Farscape and say, "What a terrible waste of time. Four seasons? Why'd they even bother?"

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    2. Re:The 1980's want their show back by kalirion · · Score: 5, Funny

      horribly written, poorly acted, comparatively dirt cheap shows like Atlantis

      Dirt cheap? Do you know how much it costs to rent the same acre of forest for every single episode?

    3. Re:The 1980's want their show back by OnslaughtQ · · Score: 1

      I agree with your comments, but my original argument was on the merits of doing another land-based show, not why make a follow-up in general. Like you said, it costs a lot of money to make, and I see them moving to a land-based show as a way to save on the cost. However, this could mean that the prequel series will once again be horribly low budget and feature such gripping drama as chasing newer humanoid model Cylons through the buildings of the city. But it's a prequel, so they shouldn't have newer models, right? Doesn't matter, they have no budget anymore for robotic looking things, so they try and make it fit with continuity best they can. Meanwhile, BSG fans are horrified by the continuity changes and Enterprise viewers just give them a hug.

    4. Re:The 1980's want their show back by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the same cave, same factory to represent all industrialized worlds, and the costumes for the nazi planet.

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    5. Re:The 1980's want their show back by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      At least they don't have to pay Richard Dean Anderson's exorbitant $20-per-week salary anymore.

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    6. Re:The 1980's want their show back by dwye · · Score: 1

      Okay, so the 1980's redo and this show aren't exactly the same, but come on, if a land-based show failed the first time, why do it again? For the same reason, when people ask me if I've watched the new Knight Rider, I reply, "No. I already saw Knight Rider 2000 and Viper"

      Battlespoon Galaxative and the current BSG are about as similar as the two versions of "The Thing" and in both cases the "remake" was far better than the original. That is why one would at least check out a remake. Ignoring the fact that the original 1970s TV movie actually was pretty good (when the news broke in about that Middle East Peace thingy, the guys in my dorm were quite annoyed), so watching the pilot episode is usually safe.

      OTOH, after two failures (three, if you count My Mother, The Car) it might be safer to let a friend watch Knight Rider and tell you if it is any good, then rent the Season One DVD. :-)

  10. Geeks Afraid of Religion by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think that a lot of the backlash against BSG in the last season was the product of the discomfort a lot of us geeks have toward religion being mixed into our scifi. I think that BSG's main mistake, if I can call it that, is being off the air for so long between seasons. It really breaks up the narrative flow and serves to make us effectively forget what the cliffhangars from the previous season were.

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    1. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by tmalone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you're partly right about that. I also think that having the humans become terrorists during the occupation made many people uncomfortable. I also think that the series of craptacular single-shot episodes in the middle of the third season made many fans leave the show. Some of those episodes (the factory ship episode comes to mind) were so inane as to be almost unwatchable.
      You're right that the huge gap between seasons is bad for business. People who aren't devout followers of the show are simply going to forget about it.

    2. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by Xeth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except that religion was a part of it straight through the Kobol arc in the first and second seasons (which was, IMHO, one of the best parts of the series,and many people agree). No, the problem was that they just did a bunch of one-off episodes with no real resolution or consequences. E.g. (Season 3 spoilers follow): The return of Bulldog and revelations about corruption and warmongering in the admiralty. That went nowhere. The killing of Sagittarons? Swept under the rug and forgotten. The unhappiness and emerging classism in the fleet? 10 second resolution at the end, and not a peep since.

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    3. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 1

      I think that the nature of the religion changed as the show went on (it seemed more like personal spirituality and less like a cool ancient mythology). I agree with your comment, though. I had forgotten about all the one-offs because they were...well, forgettable.

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    4. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by Xelios · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the bit about humans becoming terrorists was one of the best plot points of the 3rd season. It made you question this preconceived notion that terrorists are somehow inherently evil, that there's such a thing as "good people" and "bad people" and that "good people" would never do what those "bad people" are doing. The events on New Caprica wanted to show that "normal" people could resort to terrorism given the right conditions, and how acts of terrorism just don't seem quite as barbarous when it's your side that's being oppressed.

      Disclaimer for the DHS: I do not condone terrorism, thanks.

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    5. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by NorthWestFLNative · · Score: 1

      I also think that having the humans become terrorists during the occupation made many people uncomfortable.
      Ah, but don't you find it ironic that the leaders of the insurgents were Cylon's themselves? Things that may have made us uncomfortable on the first viewing have a much different interpretation after watching all of 3.
    6. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by discord5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Disclaimer for the DHS: I do not condone terrorism, thanks.

      Disclaimer for the parent: we don't read your disclaimers anyway. We'll be meeting soon.

    7. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by tmalone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree that it was one of the best plot points. I think many people were a little put off by it though. This is especially true of people who saw Battlestar as an allegory for 9/11. This ruthless other (that turns out to be a bunch of religious fanatics) comes to wipe out "civilization" and now the humans are on the run. Then it turns out that when the going gets tough, some of the humans turn to terrorist acts. I can see that being a little upsetting to some people. In fact, I witnessed this in the reactions of some friends who were shocked at twist in the story.
      This is what makes the show so great: it doesn't pull any punches. The writers don't seem to care about destroying people's conceptions of who is good and who is bad.

    8. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by tmalone · · Score: 1

      hmm, that hadn't occurred to me. Good point, I'll have to go think about that for a while now. Seriously, Battlestar needs to come back NOW!

    9. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by tmalone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The one-offs could have been okay if they hadn't been so horrible. I think the problem with the one-offs is that the writers don't know how to write a one-off. They start on the episode like any other episode that will have consequences, then they get to the end and realize they aren't allowed to change anything, so they just end it and return everything to normal, despite the massive internal changes that occurred. Either that, or they farmed out the writing to a bunch of hacks, because some of those episodes were just poorly written.

    10. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by Coraon · · Score: 1

      I Don't think its the first SiFI on TV to do it. DS9 did it a lot, Stargate did it. This is the first show though to show the monotheists (IE Christians) to be the bad guys and polytheists (IE the colony's or pagans). Which for me reminds me a lot of what happened in Europe long ago, when the romans pushed the pagans out. That and the 'good' guys using sueside bombers to try to win, scares you. I think you are troubled by this show because it takes you out of your comfort zone. You don't like thinking perhaps you are the bad guys.

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    11. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by xhrit · · Score: 1

      no, a lot of the backlash against BSG in the last season was the switch from tv-ma (l/s/v) to tv-pg.

    12. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by Nim82 · · Score: 1

      I don't think religion really has any bearing, Babylon 5 had a lot of veiled references to religion and prophecy, yet I'd venture it's probably one of the highest rated series by the /. crowd. Many of the classic sci-fi books also deal with religion to some extent.

      The problem with BSG from season 2 to 3 has been the more episodic nature and general lack of forward planning by the creators. Take the Pegasus setup - great intro, but then suddenly for about 3 episodes after it was "Who will captain the Pegasus today!", then there were episodes like those dealing with the striking miners, love triangles, abortions, medical malpractice, that just didn't gel with the general theme of the show, reaked of filler and could have been copy/pasted from any daytime soap opera.

      I hope with Caprica they crib card every episode before filming even begins, it will let them know how many episodes they need to cut on filler and making planning/budgeting easier.

    13. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by toddhisattva · · Score: 1

      I think that a lot of the backlash against BSG in the last season was the product of the discomfort a lot of us geeks have toward religion being mixed into our scifi. I do not speak for all geeks, only most of them.

      Religion in SF can be great. It's why I think Babylon 5 is better than Battlestar Galactica, so far. I have high hopes that Season 4 of BSG will reverse the situation.

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      The old hybrid who got killed.... I think he was the Cylon God. Not only that, I think he was our Earth monotheisms' God. Yes, that one, "Yahweh" or "Allah" depending on your accent. There may be timeline issues with this idea, but I don't care, because -

      I love it when gods die. SF provides us mere mortals with the weapons to sic semper the tyrannic gods.

      SF gives mere mortals the tools to become gods.
    14. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by tmalone · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the unsettling part of BSG's dealings with religion lie in the context of the show. Religion on B5 never seemed as nefarious as is does on BSG. It was more of quirky thing, to give each race character. In BSG you have a full blown clash of the civilizations: monotheists versus heathens. That can get pretty touchy and hit a little too close to home. In many ways that makes the show more effective, because the religion aspect is a lot more touchy. In B5 you never got the feeling that the Vorlons and Shadows were fighting for their God's, or because of any real differences other than this ancient conflict between "good" and "evil", "chaos" and "order". With BSG I can't help but be a little creeped out when the cylons ramble on about God's will. B5 was a great show, but I think it dealt with religion and prophesy in a fundamentally different, and safer, way.

    15. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Religion was throughout the original series as well. Remember the episode with the Beings of Light and Count Iblis? There are many great works of science fiction that has major themes of religion. For example, Dune is loaded with it.

    16. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by thegameiam · · Score: 1

      I don't mind religion in my scifi any more than I mind chocolate in my peanut butter - what I do mind is garbled, incoherent religion. The problem with Moore's approach (the surprise reveal) is that the motivations for the characters get messed up on a re-watch. Consider instead the use of religion in Babylon 5: there are lots of deeply religious characters, and their religions are clearly different and important to them, but the religions are consistent from season to season.

      And let's not forget that the central tenet of the series is that the Cylons were created by humans sometime in the not-so-distant past. Their religion should be no more shrouded in mystery to its adherents than, say, Mormonism or Christian Science (both about 150 years old).

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    17. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by punissuer · · Score: 1

      That's why God invented reruns.

    18. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by perrin · · Score: 1

      You didn't consider that making people feel uncomfortable was the whole point of it all? If it didn't sometimes touch a nerve, I could just as well watch Star Trek.

    19. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by espressojim · · Score: 1

      I think the backlash was due to all the love-romance whiny crap that was substituted for a plot. Oh no, who's in the love triangle now?

      If I wanted that sort of "plot", I'd watch Days of Our Lives. I think it's also an excuse to keep the cost of the episodes down - less CGI, special effects, more people giving each other pathetic looks and drinking fake booze. Speaking of which, where did they continue to get all that hard, but high quality booze from, since the still episode early on showed how they were scrapping the bottom very early on in the show.

    20. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by mackil · · Score: 1

      I agree 100% actually. That was one of the cool things about the series in the beginning, that consequences had to be dealt with.

      I think you're missing just one piece though, the incredibly painful love rectangle between Lee, Starbuck, Anders and Dualla. Was I the only one who wasn't interested at all in that mangled sub-plot?? It just kept going and going... I eventually stopped watching because of it.

    21. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by tmalone · · Score: 1

      I didn't say it wasn't the point, I merely said that sometimes people don't like it. I like the show because it touches nerves. I don't think that is true of everybody.

    22. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by nine-times · · Score: 2, Interesting

      (Season 3 spoilers follow): The return of Bulldog and revelations about corruption and warmongering in the admiralty. That went nowhere. The killing of Sagittarons? Swept under the rug and forgotten. The unhappiness and emerging classism in the fleet? 10 second resolution at the end, and not a peep since.

      Yes, but then again, is this far from real life? Warmongering goes on, and the warmongers don't get punished. Ethnic cleansing gets swept under the rug. The inequity of classes goes ignored, unnoticed, and unresolved.

      On the other hand, I think the series was at its best when it wasn't dealing with the Cylons and science-fiction sorts of things, but rather when it was dealing specifically with social problems within the fleet. I remember early on there was a conflict regarding a girl who wanted an abortion. Beyond our normal social conflicts about this, there was the additional complication that there are only 50,000 humans left in existence. They've done this sort of thing repeatedly, dealing with crime and the black market, terrorism, and other problems that really have nothing to do with robots pretending to be human.

      This is what has made the show great, and it's exactly what good science fiction should do, i.e. depicting real-life (and often controversial) issues in a fantastic setting that allows for the audience to gain a new perspective. I think the more they stray from those sorts of episodes, the worse the show gets.

    23. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by Snaller · · Score: 1

      We want religious crackpots we can turn on the news.

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    24. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion by wilec · · Score: 1

      The definition of just who is a terrorist is relative to ones perspective. For instance King George considered Samuel Adams an agent of terror. In offers of pardon for the cease and desist of rebellion there were a few colonials that were excepted from pardon. Sam Adams and his cousin John were at or near the top of the list of those who would hang no matter what.

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  11. And for once when.... by moezaly · · Score: 1

    ... you RTFA u find a spoiler in the article.... lol... Was it just me who read the title as Crapica?

  12. "Atleast they didn't put it in the article title" by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

    Y'know, so we can get warned for spoilers and then choose not to read TFA.

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  13. Better title by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    The should call it Deep Shark Nine. I think this is all about being able to go back to the "pretty" coiffured models and the sexy hijinks and away for the ragged, poorly bathed cylons.

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  14. Spoilers in the article! by Millennium · · Score: 5, Funny

    And in this post as well: Six kills Dumbledore.

    1. Re:Spoilers in the article! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Then has an affair with 7 of 9.

      Please rule 34, don't fail me now!

    2. Re:Spoilers in the article! by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1
      Please rule 34, don't fail me now!

      I'm nearly 50 years old. You have no idea how embarrassed I am that I actually understood that statement.

  15. Creation of the Cylons? by iknownuttin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I really hope they address the creation of the cylons or at least how they came to the conclusion that humans should be exterminated. I would find that plot intriguing. Also, the hiring of more leggy and busty actresses would help, too. ;-)

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    1. Re:Creation of the Cylons? by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      One other thing that I've been wondering about. If the Chief is a cylon, is his new wife a cylon? If not then they also have a cylon/human hybrid.

      And also, who tipped off that there were 12 models?

      But...
      Remember how the cylons keep saying that all this has happened before? Maybe the cylons are trying to figure out what happened/ where they could have done better and this is all a cylon simulation. Everything. The cylons recreated people from the past (all cylon) programed to be those real people. So the entire series is a simulation of past events.

      I gonna get so flamed for this...

    2. Re:Creation of the Cylons? by Culture20 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've been thinking that since the mini-series. I can't wait until the end of this series to see if they rebuild Caprica again.
      I'm hoping that the end-goal of the hypothetical simulation is to find earth. Lets say that maybe this series _does_ have a tie into the original series: The humans in the original series escaped and found earth, but only a few Cylons followed. Now, the Cylons don't know how to get to Earth, so they decide to make similar cylon-humans to try and do it for them (then fake-chase them to make them desire to reach Earth).

    3. Re:Creation of the Cylons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Six told Baltar in the miniseries ("There are twelve models. I'm Number 6") and he wrote Adama a note which Adama found at the end of the miniseries ("There are only 12 Cylon models").

  16. spoiler alert by sir+8ed · · Score: 1, Funny

    I *knew* Hillary was a cylon!

  17. OMG! It's full of Cylons! by SockPuppet_9_5 · · Score: 1

    The premise of the show was brilliant, the first season was great, and then I surmised that ALL of the characters might as well be Cylons. They weren't, but what if all the characters I enjoyed watching were? The show took on a new and less dramatic meaning, and I quit watching the show.

    The "Who's a Cylon?" question just ran out of steam for me.

    The Caprica series will most likely have guest appearances or more by the actors who played the Cylons, only this time you might assume they're the humans the Cylon models were based upon. I get that as part of the appeal. I wish 'em the best, as good SciFi that's _not_ been turned into a soap opera is hard to come by, as noticed here:
    http://www.adweek.com/aw/content_display/special-reports/other-reports/e3id1035c8742af5f4e733f9d304726b671

  18. Letterman's Top 10 Reason to Watch Last Season. by antdude · · Score: 3, Informative

    RedLasso has a video clip of last night's David Letterman's top ten (3/19/2008). It shows the ten cast members in their show outfits. Each one said a reason. Seen on SciFi. Here's the text version if you don't want to watch the video clip.

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    1. Re:Letterman's Top 10 Reason to Watch Last Season. by ubuwalker31 · · Score: 1

      There is also a video link on the top ten page -- IMHO, the list itself is much funnier watched than read...you can't get some of the jokes without the visual cues.

    2. Re:Letterman's Top 10 Reason to Watch Last Season. by antdude · · Score: 1

      Did the video work? I only got ads.

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    3. Re:Letterman's Top 10 Reason to Watch Last Season. by antdude · · Score: 1

      Official YouTube if both videos don't work It is recommended that you watch the cast members do their lines instead of reading the lines.

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  19. Re:One of the series put on television by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If their goal was to create a parable based on 9-11 topics, then they did a really bad job at it or perhaps they changed their minds. If their goal was to drum up some hype from sources that would otherwise completely ignore a scifi show, well mission accomplished there.

  20. Spoiler by eclectro · · Score: 1

    We get to meet Bob Cylon.

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    1. Re:Spoiler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought it was Cylon and Garfunkel?

    2. Re:Spoiler by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

      Brentford Cylons - open bank holiday monday!

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  21. Re:Yahoo has a different story.... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

    Goatse isn't that bad. It's much less obnoxious than the Pain Series.

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  22. Want to see the creation/revolt of the Cylons by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1
    If they do the prequel, I'm hoping they'll show a lot more about the creation and revolt of the Cylons. It may be a show about the characters more than the technology, however, the Cylons have proven themselves to be independent beings as well, so let us find out why they hate their creators so much that they'd rather go back to war with them again then just go off in the galaxy and do whatever Cylons do to have fun!

    It will be great to see the Galactica back in the days when it was shiny and new. The only lack of suspense here is that it will never be under true threat of destruction, since we know it survives 50 years into the future. Bit of a problem there in making a tight, edge of your seat, drama.

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    1. Re:Want to see the creation/revolt of the Cylons by canajin56 · · Score: 1

      let us find out why they hate their creators so much that they'd rather go back to war with them again then just go off in the galaxy and do whatever Cylons do to have fun!
      The Cylon episodes explained that fairly well. They went back to war because in their opinion, humanity was capricious and untrustworthy. They felt it was inevitable that humanity would try to destroy them again at some point in the future, and the optimal solution would be to nuke them all from orbit before that could happen. (It is, after all, the only way to be sure).

      It will be great to see the Galactica back in the days when it was shiny and new. The only lack of suspense here is that it will never be under true threat of destruction, since we know it survives 50 years into the future. Bit of a problem there in making a tight, edge of your seat, drama.
      I don't think at any point in any of the first three seaons, was there a time I thought the BSG might be destroyed ;)
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  23. Not Religion; Fat suits and hair extensions. by guidryp · · Score: 1

    It jumped the shark for me when they did the flash forward and Apollo donned the fat suit, Admiral Adama and Starbuck grew some extra hair, then in one or two episodes and 5 minutes on a treadmill and everyone was back to their normal appearance. It wasn't just the appearances, it just felt too contrived, too many characters behaved out of character to make that flash forward work. Tack on a bunch of really lame pointless standalone eps (boxing anyone?). Plus characters doing extraordinarily lame(traitorous) things without consequence (Helo sabotaging the bio weapon).

    Zero to do with religion. As others have pointed out, religion was heavy from day one and IMO is a draw for those of us that like unfolding mythology.

    In the first two seasons of BSG I told everyone it was the best show on TV. I don't even talk about it anymore. Hope it ends with ideas unlike waste of time that was season 3.

  24. Photo in the link SPLAN THIS S*** by way2trivial · · Score: 1

    http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/03/last-night-the.html
    main photo- 660X415
    click it (it's a link!) get popup.. with photo, 600X378

    what was the point of that?

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  25. Greystones by phrostie · · Score: 1

    the article says it will follow two families, the Adamas and the Greystones.

    who are the Greystones?

  26. Concerns by zuggy40 · · Score: 1

    I'm excited as Hell for the BSG story to continue, but I'm worried that it'll just be a cheesy spin-off like Stargate Atlantis. Apparently I'm glad I didn't read the article before the comments

  27. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` My opponents have by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    "misunderestimated me" comes to mind...

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  28. Re:Lets call it a "do over"` Remember when Sharon by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    fondled/caressed/gaw-gawed over/under the Cylon Raider Tyrol was figuring out? She was humming a nursery/lullaby-like tune. Maybe she was activating on another phase/level.

    I hope not everyone is a Cylon, though. It could get messy if they all start acting like ass-swishy Kirk when Janice Lester body-jacked him. Imagine Adama filing his nails, and Sharon taking on a deep-toned voice...

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  29. Re:Geeks Afraid of Religion You dont' OWN them by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    a damned disclaimer. Every era's populace has its hardier, take-no-bullshit-just-cuz-they're-in-power types. Should the Boston Tea Party be apologized for? Maybe not against the government, but definitely it should apologize to the indigenous peoples.

    The French Resistance had its element. Hell, some might say David Koresh and Randy Weaver at some point stood up for "right", despite their ideological issues/failings. Heck, Harriet Tubman and others might have been labeled as terrorists.

    As far as I'm concerned, Terrorism is the result when those controlling seats at the negotiating table flat out refuse to address the grievances of those marginalized.

    We only have this "experiment", the USA, because multiple boatloads of our ancestors were to feeble, too feckless, to chickenshit to behead their own corrupt monarchy. Had they had the intestinal fortitude to say "ENOUGH, BITCH, you're THROUGH! DOWN WITH YOU!" then the world might be a different place. There might not have been slavery propagated to the North American continent. Chinese might have been spared the Boxer Rebellions. Japan might have been spared Commodore Perry, and might not have been spooked by the growing, threatening, looming USA. Vietnam might have not been colonized by the French. We could probably go on and on, but had the English/British embraced a little good ole domestic TERRORISM, a LOT of shit would likely never have happened for the worse.

    Yeah, I know hindsight is 20/20.

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  30. how come in sci fi prequels... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...they always seem to have better tech and more contemporary fashion than the time era that then follows?

  31. Dolly! by PhotoGuy · · Score: 1

    Hopefully they can save their pennies and get a dolly for their camera, and maybe a steadycam, and do away with that trendy, cheesy, nauseautingly fake shakey-cam effect they used in the last series. I couldn't watch it because of that. Producers/Directors: It does *not* add to the realism, it's just distracting from the art you're supposed to be producing. Ten years from now, shakey-cam produced content will look dated and will *not* be timeless. Create better compelling content, don't just shake and zoom in and out to simulate what a human might see if they were there.

    (A real person's brain synchronizes interpreting their vision with their head/eye movements, so looking around isn't disconcerting; a video of a fakey shakeyzoomcam does *not* achieve that realism, and it's *way* overused.)

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  32. Canvas high-tops by serutan · · Score: 1

    I like Josh Whedon's analogy (at least I think it was him) about BSG, that it's like they took a canvas high-top and made it into an Air Jordan.

  33. BSG sucks by master_p · · Score: 1

    BSG sucks big time. It has a very narrow focus, that of 11 of September of 2001. Star Trek - The Next Generation had a very wide focus, where terrorism was just one episode. Furthermore, BSG is not sci-fi. Just because it shows spaceships and explosions does not make it sci-fi. It's a soap opera disguised as sci-fi.

    The original BSG is much more respectable, even if it's much cheesier. The original was simple entertainment for the family; it did not claim to have any connections with reality. And it was even more sci-fi than the new BSG because of its connection to Fon Daineken's 'chariots of the gods' that was so prevalent in the 70s. At least it excited the imagination about Humans having spread to the stars, about ancient civilizations etc. The new BSG does nothing at all from this perspective.

  34. SPOILER ALERT! SPOILER ALERT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wah? Starbuck is a woman? There were nuclear explosions on Caprica? Helo was left behind?

    Way to ruin it for me, lameass!