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MS Clearflow To Help Drivers Avoid Traffic Jams

Pioneer Woman writes "Microsoft announced plans to introduce a Web-based service for driving directions that incorporates complex software models to help users avoid traffic jams. The system is intended to reflect the complex traffic interactions that occur as traffic backs up on freeways and spills over onto city streets and will be freely available as part of the company's Live.com site for 72 cities in the US. Microsoft researchers designed algorithms that modeled traffic behavior by collecting trip data from Microsoft employees who volunteered to carry GPS units in their cars. In the end they were able to build a model for predicting traffic based on four years of data, effectively creating individual 'personalities' for over 800,000 road segments in the Seattle region. In all the system tracks about 60 million road segments in the US."

243 comments

  1. Traffic James? by davidwr · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does KD use Microsoft Spell-cheque?

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    1. Re:Traffic James? by robably · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, it's just that the system is designed for chauffeur-driven cars.

    2. Re:Traffic James? by SailorSpork · · Score: 4, Funny

      I for one would like to welcome our traffic-monitoring overlord... James.

    3. Re:Traffic James? by catwh0re · · Score: 4, Funny

      it seems that microsoft think we need help with driving.. on the contrary I think it's microsoft that need help with drivers.

    4. Re:Traffic James? by 7x7 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I love Traffic James.

    5. Re:Traffic James? by RRRobotHouse · · Score: 0

      Traffic James ate my balls?

    6. Re:Traffic James? by Kingrames · · Score: 1

      " MS Clearflow To Help Drivers Avoid Traffic James"

      No, it's spelled right.
      the article was meant for me.

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    7. Re:Traffic James? by FridayBob · · Score: 1

      No, the question is, Why on Earth would I want to *buy* software -- from *&^! Microsoft! -- in order to avoid someone I don't even know and don't care about?

    8. Re:Traffic James? by quonsar · · Score: 3, Informative

      Microsoft Bob's cousin.

    9. Re:Traffic James? by Traffic+James · · Score: 5, Funny

      I love you too, man.

    10. Re:Traffic James? by Giometrix · · Score: 5, Funny

      Im Traffic James bitch!

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    11. Re:Traffic James? by ColdCoffee · · Score: 1

      Avoid traffic! Use pubic transportation instead!

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    12. Re:Traffic James? by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      So you can have software that says 'Where do you want to go today?' when it starts up, of course...

      Then you can smash it with a hammer.

    13. Re:Traffic James? by Texas+Bill · · Score: 2, Funny

      Welcome to the party, James.

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    14. Re:Traffic James? by SamTheButcher · · Score: 1

      I think "Traffic James" is like "Basketball Jones".

    15. Re:Traffic James? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one would like to welcome our traffic-monitoring overlord

      Not me. I fear that the phrase "blue screen of death" would take on a whole new (and literal dimension): there would be frequent crahes until at least version 3 and true to form, they'd just blame the drivers.

    16. Re:Traffic James? by jamesdmorgan · · Score: 1

      Home James!

    17. Re:Traffic James? by utopianfiat · · Score: 1

      or early-english horse and carriage, thes information coud bee usefull for avoideng manie trafic jammes

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    18. Re:Traffic James? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly, in my town, everybody shaves, so the busses are always underutilized.

    19. Re:Traffic James? by happy_smile · · Score: 1

      when We need help on word, He bestows us a dancing paper clip. When We need help on road, He bestows us Traffic James.

    20. Re:Traffic James? by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 1

      He must be new here.

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    21. Re:Traffic James? by PachmanP · · Score: 1

      Avoid traffic! Use pubic transportation instead!
      But they I'd need a system to help my avoid Sweaty, Smelly James
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  2. well ... by JaffaKREE · · Score: 5, Funny

    Traffic James *IS* a dick.

    1. Re:well ... by minginqunt · · Score: 4, Funny

      Traffic James *IS* a dick. And if that isn't a Slashdot memetag by bedtime, there's ain't no justice.

      Tags: trafficjamesisadick

      Woo!
    2. Re:well ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yay for witty tags! The boring tags of recent weeks had become so dull that I'd almost given up on Slashdot - I was even about to go and do something useful with my life instead. This has restored my faith!

      More funny tourettes-syndrome tags, please!

    3. Re:well ... by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      Yeah! And Ms. Clearflow is a douche.

    4. Re:well ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love MS for that. Not only Traffic James IS a Dick, but he is also my neighbor and if I can find a way to avoid him, that will be really great.

    5. Re:well ... by RRRobotHouse · · Score: 0

      Seriously. You can't make this stuff up.

    6. Re:well ... by scaryjohn · · Score: 1

      I'm Traffic James, Bitch!

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    7. Re:well ... by Traffic+James · · Score: 5, Funny

      Traffic James *IS* a dick. Hey - that's completely unfair! You don't even know me!
    8. Re:well ... by Traffic+James · · Score: 3, Funny

      No you're not. *I'm* Traffic James, bitch!

    9. Re:well ... by ModMeFlamebait · · Score: 1

      Just not your day, man.

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  3. James? by Squapper · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Who is this "traffic James" that we have to avoid?

    1. Re:James? by JaffaKREE · · Score: 2, Funny

      He's a dick.

    2. Re:James? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LeBron dwarf by comparison to his elder brother, Traffic.
      So, you really need to watch out for him.

    3. Re:James? by Traffic+James · · Score: 2, Funny

      Right here, dude! I took a shower this morning though, so maybe you guys can give me a second chance, huh?

  4. Clearflow, eh? by Phoenix666 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Sounds like a feminine hygiene product.

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  5. Who is this Traffic James? by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    And why are people trying to avoid him?

  6. Traffic James by Mandovert · · Score: 0

    My name is not James, but thank you for the news.

  7. Seriously. by Smidge204 · · Score: 1, Informative

    That Traffic James is a total dick. Constantly swerving between lanes and cutting people off. The faster they get him off the roads the better we'll all be.

    (Headline currently reads "MS Clearflow To Help Drivers Avoid Traffic James" - hope they fix that...)
    =Smidge=

  8. Re: ... Traffic James by InfraredAD · · Score: 2, Funny

    I really hate Traffic James... they're everywhere. I mean, how can one man be in so many places at once? Santa's being given a run for his money... And yes, if the title gets edited, it really was "MS Clearflow To Help Drivers Avoid Traffic James"

  9. Traffic James ? by sundru · · Score: 1

    haha .. just made my morning :) thx for the post.

  10. There is no paper James! by smaerd · · Score: 1

    Damn, I was hoping to meet 007 in the street one day.

    1. Re:There is no paper James! by ciaohound · · Score: 0, Redundant

      You mean "James, Traffic James?"

      He's quite mad, you know.

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  11. What next? Air traffic control? by toby · · Score: 0, Troll

    Honestly, who could trust Microsoft to blow their own noses. Get real.

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    1. Re:What next? Air traffic control? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd rather not trust suggestions by Microsoft software ("Hi, I see you're trying to drive to work!..."), particularly those which are based upon the decisions made by Microsoft employees. We've had too much experience with the results of their decisions.

    2. Re:What next? Air traffic control? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, a large part of the US Air Force and civilian air traffic control system use Windows.

      And I'm not talking about XP.... they use Windows 3.1.

      That's why I don't fly anywhere. :)

    3. Re:What next? Air traffic control? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dispute the claim, at least for the civilian ATC. I visited an ATC installation as part of private pilot flight school. Before our class could visit, Homeland Security spent a month or so reviewing the class list to make sure none of us were terrorists.

      They had Sun hardware everwhere, with some nifty square LCD monitors. It was Sun all the way, EXCEPT for one lone Windows box in the tower itself, running IE on its own internet connection just to display weather maps.

      The ATC people take their jobs very seriously. They would not be so stupid as to trust Windows.

  12. Oh man! The day is filled with Bad Analogy ops by thomasdz · · Score: 1

    Now we have traffic james, offramps, city streets on the Internet. Do we have playground zones, back alleys, sidewalks? Oh probably. And will these traffic jams be faster than the speed of light from the tip of a finger to the knuckle or will speed be measured in how fast a VW Bug can drive the Internet to the Library of Congress?
    Let the Bad Analogies begin.

    TDz.

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  13. Well, I feel pretty good. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 1

    Do you suppose at any point during the development of this, someone somewhere at MS thought to shout "KICK OUT THE JAMS, MICROSOFTERS!" at the top of their lungs?

    1. Re:Well, I feel pretty good. by kshade · · Score: 1

      Yes i'm starting to sweat
      You know my shirt's all wet
      What a feeling
      In the sound that abounds
      And resounds and rebounds off the ceiling
      Now who could that be?
  14. Stop Traffic Jams by Mikya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have a way to help stop traffic jams without fancy algorithms: stop tailgating the person in front of you. That way every time that person slows down slightly you don't have to slam on your brakes, thus requiring people behind you to slam on theirs causing a buildup of cars that aren't going anywhere even if traffic isn't that heavy.

    1. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by BlowHole666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sure if you would just get off your cell phone, get out of the left hand lane and drive the speed limit. I would not have to tailgate.

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    2. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Better still - use public transport.

      Ok, ok, I know this sounds like a troll but seriously, when we have a situation where traffic speeds in major cities is declining endlessly we need to look to long term solutions, not tinkering with the symptoms.

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    3. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually, it's usually that impatient dick that passes on the right and then swerves back to the left, causing a ripple of red lights back for miles. It takes only one idiot like that to cause a jam.

    4. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1

      That's true, but reducing the distance between you and the car in front of you does increase traffic density, and thus throughput at a given speed.

      Not that it's safe or I'm advocating it, mind you, but traffic flow dynamics aren't a simple thing.

    5. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by tjstork · · Score: 1

      Sure if you would just get off your cell phone, get out of the left hand lane and drive the speed limit. I would not have to tailgate?

      And, what entitles you to break the law? If someone tailgates me, I have been known, on occasion, to accidentally drop a soda at their windshield.

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    6. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by BlowHole666 · · Score: 1

      And that is littering so what entitles you to break the law?

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    7. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sorry, that wouldn't work, because then the guy behind you would switch lanes to get in front of you. Then the guy behind him, and so on, forcing you to slow down to maintain that distance.

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    8. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Stanistani · · Score: 1

      No, it's assault.

      So I may shoot him, for self-defense is a recognized legal concept.

      On a more serious note, I think we've just simulated 'road rage.'

      There are no Kumbayas on the Internetz, are there? :(

    9. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

      Sure if you would just get off your cell phone, get out of the left hand lane and drive the speed limit. I would not have to tailgate. Oddly enough, driving below the speed limit in the left-hand lane doesn't seem to be the problem in these parts. Going faster than the speed limit, especially in the left-hand lane, is another matter... Eeeevery once in a while driving in the left lane I find myself being high-beamed as someone comes up behind me, and I look down and notice, "holy cow, I'm going nearly in the 65 zone - better pay more attention to speed and slow down - wait, there's some guy back there who doesn't think I'm going fast ENOUGH? Wow."

      Also, I'm not sure why you need to tailgate cell phone users. Do explain.

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    10. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Zcar · · Score: 1

      So you feel justified in escalating a non-criminal violation into what is, at the least, a misdemeanor?

    11. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by jsiren · · Score: 1

      That's true, but reducing the distance between you and the car in front of you does increase traffic density, and thus throughput at a given speed.

      Not that it's safe or I'm advocating it, mind you, but traffic flow dynamics aren't a simple thing.

      Only up to the point where one ripple (like an impatient traffic james who passes on the right and cuts off somebody in the left lane) causes a standing wave of brake lights...

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    12. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Good. Better to have everyone traveling smoothly at a slower speed and safe distances than to have people packed in at unsafe distances constantly braking and accelerating.

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    13. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Better still: Live close to the office if you have the option. The less distance you have to travel, the less chance something will happen along that distance to screw up your commute.

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    14. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1

      Good. Better to have everyone traveling smoothly at a slower speed and safe distances than to have people packed in at unsafe distances constantly braking and accelerating.

      Problem is it doesn't work. Where I live, if you leave a nice cushion, someone will move in and cut you off. So what you do is optimize the distance to maximize braking time, which means minimizing the opportunity for cars to cut you off.

      Traffic's getting nastier all the time. I try to avoid driving.

    15. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by contrapunctus · · Score: 1

      It's just courtesy, if someone behind you wants to pass, leave the left lane for a a few minutes and let him break the law as that is his business.

    16. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Metasquares · · Score: 1

      You can go 5-10 miles above the speed limit and people will still do that. They tailgate, they weave in and out of traffic, they start doing funny things with their lights, all just to avoid doing *only* 10 mph above the speed limit... it's quite dangerous.

      But then again, I live in New Jersey. YMMV :)

    17. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by tjstork · · Score: 1

      No, it's assault.

      So I may shoot him, for self-defense is a recognized legal concept.


      For what, spilling a soda accidentally? Now you are driving around aggressively and shooting people the road.. Clearly, its reasonable to for people in the front being tailgated to take pre-emptive action against tailgaters, if they are shooting people and trying to run them over!

      Moral of the story is that you shouldn't be driving like a jackass. The roads are a utility for transport and not a convenience for you lack of time management skills. Frankly, every aggressive driver that gets killed deserves it.

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    18. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, work from home.

    19. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by bunratty · · Score: 1

      Drivers regularly tailgate me when I'm driving the same speed as the car in front of me and passing cars to the right of me. I'm usually going above the speed limit and paying full attention to my driving. What's up with that? Do they think they're magically going to speed me up by tailing me? I guess so, because they often try to pass my on the right, and of course fail because the cars in that lane are going slower.

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    20. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by interiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ding ding.

      Go to Tokyo at rush hour, and observe. The only slowdown that occurs is when one train becomes too full, and people have to wait ~3 minutes for the next one. I never saw a situation where people had to wait for more than one additional train, because the trains can hold a lot of people because they're packed like cattle-cars. On the other hand, Japanese seem to be much better at being fairly quiet and avoiding talking on their cellphones when in such dense quarters, while Americans seem to think that the subway is the best place for talking really loudly on the phone.

    21. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by EllisDees · · Score: 1

      The left lane is for passing only. If you're in it and someone is tailgating you, it's because you should either be going faster or should get the hell out of the lane.

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    22. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Stanistani · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yet another sad example of why Slashdot needs an ISO standard for sarcasm and humor tags.

      Let's get Microsoft on the job immediately.

      We need a six thousand page brief and some corrupt committee members, stat!

    23. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Better still - use public transport.

      Ok, ok, I know this sounds like a troll but seriously, when we have a situation where traffic speeds in major cities is declining endlessly we need to look to long term solutions, not tinkering with the symptoms.

      I don't know about your city, but in my city, taking public transport to and from my office would take 2-3x as long on my commute by car, and likely involve at least one transfer.

      The problem with public transport, is if it doesn't actually improve my day and make my commute better, I'm not taking it. It's that simple. Make it faster and more convenient to get to my destination, and I'll consider it. I'm not really willing to add 2 hours to my day.

      It really is that simple (for me at least). I'd love for public transport to be more usable, but, it isn't. Until it is, the vast majority of people will stick with their cars.

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    24. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by bunratty · · Score: 1

      Drivers regularly tailgate me even when I'm passing and cannot possibly go any faster because I'm already going as fast as the car ahead of me. I guess they're peeved that I'm driving a full three seconds behind the car ahead of me. I do this because the drivers ahead of me often stop quickly because they're tailing the cars ahead of them, and also people regularly tail me so that I need to make sure I brake slowly so they won't run into me. If everyone stops tailing, we can all drive faster and in addition I can follow more closely.

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    25. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by interiot · · Score: 1

      That's not a scalable solution (unless you consider living in an ever-shrinking apartment because all of the suburbanites took your advice and moved into the city with you to be scalable). Trains avoid that problem, and they're better than expressways because they transport more people per route.

    26. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      It really depends on which country you're in... in this country passing on the left is a traffic offence.

    27. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by bunratty · · Score: 1

      I don't know where you live, but in New Jersey, tailgating is a serious offense that can land you in jail for 15 days. It's pretty dangerous anyway, so I can't understand why anyone would want to follow too closely. Why run the risk of a serious and possibly fatal accident to get where you're going a few seconds faster?

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    28. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 0

      Let me take your same solution and problem statement and propose a better solution:

      Problem: GIVEN one person's change in behavior, reduce unnecessary traffic jams. (We can't reduce NECESSARY traffic jams through driving behavior i.e. ones that are an artifact of too many cars. For a realistic solution to that, go here.)

      If we're going to change ONE person's behavior, it would be more effective for the passing-lane camper to STOP CAMPING THE PASSING LANE AND MOVE THE HELL OVER, YOU SELF-CENTERED, CLUELESS MORON.

      If that one person does so, traffic will flow much more smoothly, as then all those tailgaters, WITHOUT changing their behavior, will glide through easily. No "wolf packs" or walls will form.

      Just seems much more effective to me, is all...

    29. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is the parent modded flamebait? If people actually paid attention to their driving, rather than doing other things, there would be no traffic.

      Slower traffic keep right.. It's the law in most states. Left lane is for passing. If you're driving the speed limit in the left lane, then you need to move over to the right. So what if other drivers are speeding? Go ahead and let them get a ticket. You can obey the speed limit by driving in the right lane.

    30. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by bunratty · · Score: 1

      When I don't tailgate, the drivers behind me do often try to pass me on the right. That almost never works, because the reason I'm in the left lane is because I'm going faster than those on the right. If the driver behind me switches lanes, they need to slow down.

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    31. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by mweather · · Score: 1

      How do you accidentally spill a soda out the window? At best that's reckless endangerment, and that's if you can convince the jury your drank mysteriously flew out the window. Do that to a cop, and it would be attempted murder.

    32. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you I live two miles from my office and cycle. It's fun, it's free and it keeps me fit.

      However I also totally agree with what you're saying. If I didn't live so close I would be in the same boat. What I'm saying is that, in the long run, making traffic flow more efficient doesn't solve the problem. Making public transport more efficient (and nicer) does.
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    33. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      Average speed of Traffic in London is 10mph the same as the horse and cart 100 years ago ....

      It was because of traffic jams that the London Underground was built ... It did help for a while ..

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    34. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by squizzar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd suggest what is called 'defensive driving'. If someone wants to belt it along at ludicrous speed, then let them do it, it's probably best not to be near them. Getting in their way will only encourage them to try something stupid to get round you.

      If people looked at driving as a cooperative effort - try and let everyone drive at the speed they want to - then everyone ends having a lot smoother journey. If everyone only acts in their own interests it all gets a bit more stressful and scary.

    35. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by BlowHole666 · · Score: 1

      Because this is slashdot and if you have a thought or comment that does not support the mobs...you get modded down.

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    36. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by PJ1216 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not really. Normally if you keep going the same speed as the car in front of you, but keep a safe distance, the guy behind you is normally intelligent enough to see there's a car in front of you. its the car thats passing a whole bunch of cars on the right that will try to squeeze in there when he/she realizes they can't go any further at their speed. All in all, its the really slow people and the really impatient people that cause traffic. if you're not passing the cars in the lane to your right, you're too far to the left. if you're passing cars ON their right side, you're also causing problems because even if they wanted to move over, they won't cause now they have to worry about all the cars passing them. i hate passing on the right much more than i hate people who don't drive the right speed. the right side is the biggest blind spot on the car and while i'm not sure if there are any statistics out there, its probably a major cause of a lot of accidents. both speeders and slowpokes just need to learn how to drive.
       
      And no, weaving in and out of traffic with 'efficiency' and not having any accidents does *NOT* mean you know how to drive. it means the exact opposite. If people actually drove according to the rules, there'd be less traffic and people would get where they need to go in a more timely and consistent fashion. I've actually done the test of speeding in the left lane going home from work a couple days and then did it a couple days just doing the speed limit. there was no significant difference. in light traffic, yes, there is a difference, but in rush hour traffic, there's really none.

    37. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by tepples · · Score: 1

      Slower traffic keep right.. It's the law in most states. Left lane is for passing. For passing, or for turning? In countries where people drive on the right, how should slow-moving vehicles such as bicycles enter a left turn lane?
    38. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by tepples · · Score: 1

      Live close to the office if you have the option. How can I live close to the office, the SO live close to her office, and the kids live close to school, all at the same time?
    39. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      but in rush hour traffic, there's really none. Then you aren't being aggressive enough in your rush hour driving. You really have to be an asshole to save time during rush hour but it can be done.
    40. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by tepples · · Score: 1

      Trains avoid [overdemand for real estate near employers], and they're better than expressways because they transport more people per route. But how far is it from stop to stop? I don't want to have to walk 15 minutes from the bus or train stop to work when I could just drive 15 minutes straight from home to work.
    41. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Live above the school and work from home?

    42. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

      Better than that, don't have a job!

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    43. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 0

      You're on the right track, but I'm curious about what you count as a solution.

      Are you saying it "solves" the problem if I, personally, use public transport[ation but I'll use the British convention cause it's shorter]? Surely not because that makes my commute longer, and everyone else's about the same.

      Are you saying your solution is "everyone go use public transport"? Well, sorry, that's cheating. If you permit, as solutions, a change in millions of individuals' choices, then you're not understanding what it means to solve a problem. To make my point clearer: Would you accept "everyone stop committing murder" as a solution to the crime problem? Clearly not, because the relevant question is how to get people to stop committing murder! For the same reasons, it's not a valid solution to say, "Everyone go use public transport."

      A relevant solution must be of the form of a *public policy* that *results* in everyone using public transport (which hopefully doesn't also induce massive inefficiencies on the side).

      So, how do you propose to get people to decide to use public transport, in a way that shortens commute times, accomplishes the transition smoothly, and helps toward long-term infrastructural and planning improvements? That is the problem, and here is my solution.

    44. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

      Err, no. You see, traffic is a non-Newtonian fluid. It behaves contrary to most laws of fluid dynamics.

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    45. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      If you are driving in heavy traffic and you leave more than a car length in front of you, someone will move into it. If after that happens someone else will move into it. Before long cars will be passing you on the right, the only way to prevent that will be to reduce the gap in front of you.

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    46. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by interiot · · Score: 1

      My premise is that it's impossible (from a city-wide perspective) to have a short commute without an increase in density.

      If you're saying that it's possible for an individual to optimize for commute distance at the expense of higher rent, less floor space, and/or a less desirable neighborhood, then I agree. However, if you advocate that everyone should try to optimize for the same variable, then all the other variables would get dramatically worse for everyone (much higher rent, much less floor space). (competition for scarce resources works best when people (as a whole) don't reject some of the available solutions — ie. sprawl as a substitute for density)

      (Yes, in cities that primarily use trains in place of expressways, and buses and/or walking in place of local streets, it takes ~15 minutes to do the walking+bus part, but (for example, in Tokyo) average commutes are ~1 hour, so that's acceptable for those who aren't strongly optimizing for commute time)

    47. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by jefu · · Score: 2, Informative

      Of course they do - but even if you do speed up, they'll still tailgate you, and if you get out of the way and let them pass, they'll tailgate the person in front of you, then the person in front of them and so on.

      Don't you realize? They're special, and their needs and wants trump all those of the people driving around them.

      I'll usually try to get out of the way when I reach a break in the slower lane - or if they're particularly insistant, I'll slow down until I can merge right (US) safely, then move back to the faster lane when I get a chance.

      The funny thing, of course, is that often enough if we're going to the same place they manage (over 5 miles or so) to get there and then get stuck at the same red light as me (a couple cars back).

      But that counts, because they're special and everyone else should be (rightfully) subordinate to their desires.

    48. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe if you'd get out of the way and leave the left lane for passing only, he... I... wouldn't have to pass on the right.

    49. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Ctrl-Z · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but can you imagine the smell if all of the cars in London were replaced with horses? That might be another reason to go underground.

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    50. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by fmobus · · Score: 1

      The funny thing, of course, is that often enough if we're going to the same place they manage (over 5 miles or so) to get there and then get stuck at the same red light as me (a couple cars back).

      Whenever this happens to me and I get near the tailgater at a red light, I point and laugh, for he has spent more fuel & brakes than me. Loser.

      Whenever someone tailgates me in the right (slower) lane I cut my speed. Not by braking, thou. I do gearbox reduction just to make him panic.

    51. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by tbuskey · · Score: 1

      When I worked in Cambridge, MA I was coming from Wilmington, MA.

      40 minutes by motorcycle, 50 by car, 120 by MBTA.

      MBTA was:
      10-15 minutes to T stop
      x time waiting for the train
      50 minutes on the Commuter rail to North Station
      x time waiting for the train
      15 minutes on the Green line
      x time waiting for the train
      15 minutes on Red line
      10-15 minutes walking from the T to the office.

      The Commuter rail was every 30 minutes during rush hour, every 60 otherwise.

      My work had a parking garage nearby.

      Now during that 50 minutes on the commuter, I could do some work, but that's till limited.

    52. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Ctrl-Z · · Score: 1

      William Beaty covers this in his exploration of traffic waves.

      Q: If I slow down and leave a space ahead of me, somebody will immediately change lanes and fill that space!

      Right. That's the whole point. We WANT people to merge ahead of us before that other lane comes to an end. If I fear that someone will leap into the space ahead of me, or if this makes me resentful or angry, then I close up ranks and prevent everyone from merging. If I try to become the "vengance police" and punish the cheaters who zoom ahead, then I close up ranks and stop all merges. Closed ranks create traffic jams. "Cheaters" don't trigger traffic jams, it's the people who try to punish the cheaters who do it.

      Lane jumpers are not the real problem. Traffic jams are commonly caused by people who attempt to punish the lane jumpers by eliminating all spaces! In the merge-jam animations, the goal isn't to maintain the empty space under any circumstance. The goal is to ALLOW PEOPLE TO MERGE AHEAD OF US! Closing up the ranks is what produces that jam in the animation. But what about the times when we are far from the merging-lanes area... ?

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    53. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by wealthychef · · Score: 1

      ironically, such folk actually slow down traffic overall, because they inevitably end up causing someone else to hit their breaks as they squeeze into a spot too small for them to be in safely. Such slowdowns have been shown to multiply backwards in increasing effect.

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    54. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd suggest what is called 'defensive driving'.

      I tried that once, the cops didn't like my rearward facing RPG.
      Come to think of it, they weren't too keen on the front ones either.

    55. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by tjstork · · Score: 1

      How do you accidentally spill a soda out the window? At best that's reckless endangerment, and that's if you can convince the jury your drank mysteriously flew out the window. Do that to a cop, and it would be attempted murder

      Tailgating is endangerment. That's a fact. If you are rear ended in the USA, it is almost invariably assumed that the driver in the tailgating car is at fault and he will usually be cited for bad driving, whether a cop or not.

      The reason for this law is really public safety. You need sufficient time to react to conditions in front of, be it a piece of debris on the road, a deer, an accident, or even an accidental soda spill. Tsk tsk, the poor tailgater behind me, I don't want to see him or her fall ill, but they so clearly and recklessly disregarded their own safety, and honestly, my child in the rear seat, so safely strapped in. What if he or she rear ended me, crumpled the rear of my car, and killed my son? What if it was your child, in the back, with a maniacal driver flashing his brights at you and honking, tailgating, while you were driving safely the speed limit. Do you have children? Think of the children! This person is complaining about a soda spill, while at the same time he's trying to murder my son.

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    56. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 1

      I think your times are a bit screwy. I used to take the Haverhill line in all the way from Haverhill to North Station, and it was only about 1 hour even when stopping at all the stations along the way, including Wilmington. This was in 1999-2001; I don't know if things have been different.

      Other than that, my experience was similar to yours: 25min drive to the station, an hour on the train, then a 25min walk past the hospitals and across the bridge to where I was working.

    57. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by at.splat · · Score: 1

      The problem with public transport, is if it doesn't actually improve my day and make my commute better, I'm not taking it.

      The problem isn't with public transportation, it's with you. You've made a cost/benefit analysis about your own circumstances and decided accordingly. Great; I understand. But don't pass it off as somehow being the fault of the public transportation system that you don't want to wait.

    58. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      Or you took one side of a heated debate and came off as offensive. Come to think of it, complaining about the -mod when you're +5 doesn't help your case much.

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    59. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      Look, unless you're an emergency vehicle or a squad car, I don't care who you are, you are not entitled to drive 25+ miles* above the speed of traffic. The "get out of my way or I'll ram you" attitude of some drivers is really discouraging.

      * Around these parts, 10 miles over is the norm. Those too impatient for even 75 mph drive at over 90.

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    60. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The trade-off is the constant groping of female passengers who cannot escape.

      American public transit does not need 'female only' cars, for instance.

    61. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

      I have a pretty powerful sports car. Usually when somebody tries that shit with me, they get toyed with...as in, you *think* you're going to get around me, but when it's all over you're going to be 4 cars back. Dipshit. Do not pass me on the right. If I'm not going fast enough for your liking in the left lane, there is a reason for it.

    62. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by PachmanP · · Score: 1

      On roads where "slow traffic keep right" is relevent (highways/high speed motorways), bicycles should be in any lane.

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    63. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by HungWeiLo · · Score: 1

      One culture has over 1,000 years of sexual oppression, and the other only has 400.

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    64. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by PJ1216 · · Score: 1

      Yea, but by doing so you create more traffic and become a greater risk on the road. All those accidents that normally involve death *don't* involve two cars going 55... at least one of them was going much faster and being an asshole.

      Being an asshole on the road causes more traffic, more death, more road rage, *but*, you're right, on the one hand you do get home 5-10 minutes earlier. I wonder how many people actually reason it through how retarded it is to drive like an asshole.

      Just cause one can drive like that without getting into an accident (yet) doesn't make you a good driver (quite the opposite). The measurement of skill is not just how quickly you get there, but how safely (and no, that doesn't mean going under the speed limit is great driving cause safety decreases the farther you get from the speed limit... assuming you're in the right lane, if you go to the left, you have to go with the flow of traffic)

    65. Re:Stop Traffic Jams by BlowHole666 · · Score: 1

      I was not +5 when I wrote that. I was 2 flame bait :)

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  15. Re:but seriously by TheMeuge · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess they decided to take phrases "computer crash" and "blue screen of death" seriously.

    I could only imagine the program modifying GPS directions on the fly:

    - Left turn ahead.
    - Traffic ahead.
    - Please turn right and over the railing
    - Please fall 200 feet to the road below and proceed west on highway 53.

  16. Clear type by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Microsoft's Cleartype technology makes text more blurry. So what can we expect from Microsoft's Clearflow?

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    1. Re:Clear type by holyspidoo · · Score: 1, Funny

      Clearflow is based on Vista. It takes so much time to boot, by the time its ready, everyone is at work already and the streets are free. Genius.

    2. Re:Clear type by mario_grgic · · Score: 1

      I don't know if you are serious or not, but I can only pray and wait for the day when OS X will have type as clear as MS clear type. I recently switched over to OS X and the blurry text is one of the major usability issue with Macs. It's so bad that I would go as far as to say that it makes the Mac useless for anything but editing/watching movies and editing pictures. That in my mind makes Mac and OS X so niche that only a few people should ever consider buying it at all. But when you take into account that Adobe is treating OS X as second class citizen, then perhaps even that is not one of the things Mac is so good for any more.

      I'm speaking as someone who recently bought Mac Pro (great albeit still propriatery hardware, non standard connectors for a lot of things internally, Mac specific BIOS on video cards etc, just so you can't easily upgrade and so you have to buy overpriced stuff from apple), but fisher price OS and dumb iApplications.

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    3. Re:Clear type by Hatta · · Score: 1

      I'm completely serious. I turn Cleartype off wherever I have a windows box with LCD. Crisp but blocky letters are much easier on the eyes.

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    4. Re:Clear type by tepples · · Score: 1

      Microsoft's Cleartype technology makes text more blurry. What kind of monitor did you use to test this? CRT or LCD?
    5. Re:Clear type by Hatta · · Score: 1

      LCD of course. I'm sitting in front of a gateway LCD right now and tried it out again. There's a very obvious fringing effect that's not at all pleasant to look at. That's consistent with my experience with Cleartype anywhere.

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    6. Re:Clear type by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ever consider that it's the monitor that is junk? it's a gateway after all.

      and brandism is also akin to racism. put up or shut up hypocrite.

    7. Re:Clear type by stars_are_number_1 · · Score: 1

      Microsoft's Cleartype technology makes text more blurry. What kind of monitor did you use to test this? CRT or LCD? So true. I've been nothing but happy with my experiences with ClearType. Every LCD equipped computer in my office is using it.
  17. And when the system fails... by rarel · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... it gives a whole new meaning to the word "crash"!

  18. Is Traffic James Related To Ask Jeeves? by Skeetskeetskeet · · Score: 5, Funny

    Both probably couldn't give me directions to the nearest hooker.

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    1. Re:Is Traffic James Related To Ask Jeeves? by HeavyDevelopment · · Score: 1

      But craigslist could....

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    2. Re:Is Traffic James Related To Ask Jeeves? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jeeves is an amazing bulter of a character created by P.G. Wodehouse. Of course, you would know this if you can get off the inter-tubes and read some books for real..

      Peace Out.

    3. Re:Is Traffic James Related To Ask Jeeves? by Skeetskeetskeet · · Score: 0
      Sarcasm - -noun

      1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.

      2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.

      If you used a dictionary you would know that.

      Peace out.

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  19. I can imagine by fluch · · Score: 1

    I imagine the following message: "Traffic jam reported. Please press CTRL-ALT-DEL to reboot device!"

    And also the slogan "where do you want to go to day" gets a very new meaning ;-)

  20. I resent that by JamesRose · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sometimes it just feels like people are conspiring to avoid me, finally I've got some proof!

    1. Re:I resent that by Mastadex · · Score: 1

      Better then Rick James. I'm Traffic James, Bitch!

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  21. Re:Oh man! The day is filled with Bad Analogy ops by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    See, the highways are like a series of tubes...

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  22. No thanks by sm62704 · · Score: 0, Troll

    I use Microsoft software every day. I wish I didn't have to. When some other company makes something similar I'll look into it, but I have yet to see anything from Microsoft that isn't unreasonable and illogical, with all thought to look and none to functionality.

    Knowing Microsoft the thing will probably break if you brake. It won't follow any standards (WE are Microsoft. We ARE the standard!), it will be unreasonably expensive, it will ask me where I want to go today and then take me somewhere else.

    I'd rather have a retarded woman back-seat driving. She'd probably be more accurate and functional, too.

    -mcgrew

    (Yes, I'm still in a bad mood)

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    1. Re:No thanks by BlowHole666 · · Score: 1

      Hmm well I have used Google maps on my pda and Microsoft live on my pda also and personally i trust the Microsoft version better. For some reason the Google version thinks performing a U turn is a smart thing to do in a busy city. Try it some time, use Google maps to get to directions and 6 out of 10 times it will tell you to do a U turn and then try the same directions with Microsoft and it will not ask you to do a U turn.

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  23. so does that make accidents by OrochimaruVoldemort · · Score: 2, Funny

    the blue map of death?

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  24. Swings & Roundabouts by CmdrGravy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This sounds like a sensible idea but if it becomes widespread then the metrics it has used for it's monitoring of the traffic conditions are going to change as people choose new routes based on it's suggestions with the upshot that previously clear routes are now congested.

    My own journey to work changes based on the time I leave the house and my local knowledge of the area and problme junctions so I can normally make my way down side streets and 'rat runs' without encountering much traffic. The last thing I want is for anyone else to be told these routes and start to clog them up. It is amazing though the difference it can make if you take what is in theory a slightly longer route to get around stupidly placed roundabouts or congested main roads.

    I guess ultimately if people had a perfect knowledge of the traffic situation the congestion would even out so everywhere is just congested at rush hour rather than extremely congested but the basic problem, in the UK at least, is that there just aren't enough roads. Here in Birmingham during the recent building work in the city centre there were some traffic conditions which would just lead inevitably to total gridlock as jams backed up across islands causing more jams which looped all the way around town to hold up the traffic in the original jam even more. We just need more roads.

    1. Re:Swings & Roundabouts by n3tcat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We just need more roads

      Or less cars. Use the bus!

    2. Re:Swings & Roundabouts by amplt1337 · · Score: 1

      the basic problem, in the UK at least, is that there just aren't enough roads. Or, alternatively, that there are too many cars.

      Anyway, as you've pointed out, what this really is is a shortcut simulator to having good local knowledge of the area you're driving in -- it's a substitute for experience. What they basically have is a complex system that predicts where traffic will be. But what's better than prediction is accurate, current reporting -- and we already have an awesome technology for detecting and avoiding traffic jams, called a "radio." Pretty much every major urban area has at least one station that will give you "traffic on the 9s" or whatever during peak hours.

      Now, a real useful service would be a gps with an easy interface (I've used plenty that don't have 'em) that just gives you a map of the local area and shows you realtime updates of the traffic flow (say it colours the streets based on average vehicle velocity). The driver is probably a lot better at making decisions than the computer -- but that wouldn't really have anything to do with MS Live.
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    3. Re:Swings & Roundabouts by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Pretty much every major urban area has at least one station that will give you "traffic on the 9s" or whatever during peak hours.

      Which does shit for you when you're not fully familiar with that city. Or, sometimes, even that part of the city.

      680 News in Toronto, for example, has, as you say, 'Traffic on the Ones.' But it's often a confusing little thirty second block where the traffic guy rips through an incredible amount of data, using local nicknames, initials, and what not, and yeah, often suggests alternate routes, again, using local nicknames, initials, and what not. And if you're not already fully familiar with it all, the information is less than useless.

      Given that if you're using a GPS you're already not familiar with the local streets, assuming that you're therefore not familiar with the traffic flows and alternate routes is a fair assumption to make.

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    4. Re:Swings & Roundabouts by amplt1337 · · Score: 1

      Given that if you're using a GPS you're already not familiar with the local streets, assuming that you're therefore not familiar with the traffic flows and alternate routes is a fair assumption to make. Right, assuming you're using a GPS. The article is talking about predictive features to be incorporated into MS Live, which (at least as described in the article) is a website competing with Google Maps.
      If we assume they have a GPS, then you don't need a predictive model -- you just need actual data, displayed in a format that's clear, easy and safe to read while hurtling at 70 mph in a ton of steel.
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    5. Re:Swings & Roundabouts by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      That what TMC is for. Ideally it gives your GPS system realtime updates of traffic flow so it can reboot.

      Unfortunately it has issues...

      1. It takes several minutes (sometimes tens of minutes) to update and only covers major routes, not cities where a lot of the jams are.
      2. The radio version (RDS-TMC) only works where there's a fairly strong radio signal.. generally, in cities.
      3. The mobile version is OK, but I have an iphone and it doesn't support mobile data... grr... so I have to carry a second phone to use it.

    6. Re:Swings & Roundabouts by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      Dammit. Reroute, not reboot.

      I must have been thinking of a Microsoft GPS system.

    7. Re:Swings & Roundabouts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is EXACTLY what is wrong with the traffic systems around the world (although china and india seem to understand). Transportation is NOT about moving cars, its about moving PEOPLE. People can be transported in a variety of ways to their destination. Its time we STOP building more roads, and start forcing(read providing great incentives), folks to use mass transit, which is infinitely more scalable and efficient than single occupancy cars, which probably make up 50%+ of all the traffic. I say we implement tolls for cars, and use the money to make all mass transit inside cities FREE. Presently our transportation system, much like our tax system is REGRESSIVE, meaning those that make less pay a higher percentage in taxes.

      NO MORE ROADS
      FREE INTERCITY MASS TRANSIT

    8. Re:Swings & Roundabouts by MartinB · · Score: 1

      Here in Birmingham ... jams backed up across islands causing more jams which looped all the way around town to hold up the traffic in the original jam even more. We just need more roads.

      2 points of information:

      1. For non residents of the English Midlands: an Island is a roundabout.
      2. Increasing transport capacity has been clearly proven to result in more traffic; it does not reduce congestion in anything other than the very short term. Predict and provide has been shown time and time again to be a failed model to avoiding jams (same for airport landing slots too, incidentally). If you want to avoid the gridlock, incentivise demand reduction.
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    9. Re:Swings & Roundabouts by tepples · · Score: 1

      Or less cars. Use the bus! That's not always an option.
    10. Re:Swings & Roundabouts by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Fine; let me rephrase my statement to have exactly the same end result, but slightly different content.

      "If you're using a mapping and driving direction service such as Google Maps or Microsoft Live anyway, you probably don't have any personal knowledge about the area, and therefore wouldn't have any idea about local traffic patterns and alternate routes, either."

      Honestly, all they're doing is adding the fourth dimension to their mapping; it's perfectly valid to say that, for example, the 401 is a wonderful highway to take from Dixie to Keele at 2 PM in the afternoon on a weekday, but if your trip will be at 8 AM on a weekday, you'll want to take this alternate route instead.

      Hells Bells, if it can get to the point of knowing local events; 'Normally we'd say DVP to Bloor, Bloor west turns into the Danforth, right on Woodbine, but holy crap this week is the Taste of the Danforth festival, and you'll not want to go anywhere near it unless you're looking to sample Greek culture and cuisine, so take Gerrard instead...

      Sidenote: Crusing down the Danforth a year or three back, when Greece suddenly had an upset victory at some soccer/football game or other, and the streets went from normal weekend foot traffic to spontaneous street party in, literally, under a minute, was quite the experience. Kudos to Toronto PD's bike cops simply asking a passerby if this was a riot or a celebration, then calmly starting to close the Danforth and direct traffic to alternates.

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  25. I question the way of collecting data. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    They are making assumptions that Trafic Jams around the world/US is the same as Near Redomnd WA. I know traffic in my area on i90/i87 is actually fairly good except for when there is a car accident and often the traffic occures before it can get reported. But down in CT. on i84 and i91 Traffic is always heavy and traffic jams are just from to many cars on the road. Vs. accedents. Also some states have commuter lanes so there may be heavy traffic on the road but you have a couple of poeple in your car so you can take the commuter lane and avoid trafic all togeter. Traffic Patterns varry differently across the country. Just collecting data from people who live in a particular areas may not get good information to make the decision.

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  26. Traffic jam warning by Malevolent+Tester · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Traffic is backing up 10 miles after a driver crashed reading Live.com when he should have been paying attention to the road

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    1. Re:Traffic jam warning by BlowHole666 · · Score: 1

      Have you ever thought this could be used to monitor traffic congestion during specific times of the day. So if the user is going to be driving between 4:30 and 5:00 PM Microsoft will spit out different directions then it would if the user was driving at 8:00 PM at night.

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  27. mod parent up Re:but seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's funny, there. And really, what part of falling 200 feet off a cliff doesn't resemble microsoft software?

  28. Who the hell is Traffic James? by multipartmixed · · Score: 3, Funny

    Some cop with a pink mohawk?

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    1. Re:Who the hell is Traffic James? by MagicBox · · Score: 1

      that's pretty funny.

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  29. Re:but seriously by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Funny

    You are about to fall 200 feet to a road below.[Cancel] [Allow]

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  30. A cloud of cars? by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Imagine the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle applied on a macro scale!

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    1. Re:A cloud of cars? by Alzheimers · · Score: 1

      I don't know how to feel about that, without affecting the outcome one way or another.

    2. Re:A cloud of cars? by Yetihehe · · Score: 1

      "In 200 meters turn left. Or right.
      Your speed is now 90km/h and you are probably near San Francisco..."

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  31. hmm, does it learn? by beyonddeath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The first thing I thought, and I have thought the idea of analyzing traffic flow on a wide scale could give the individual an edge, as soon as the masses know the way around traffic, the jam will just move. So unless this algorithm can automatically figure out where traffic is stuck, and route the users in many different ways, this will eventually not work. Not to mention that in many cases (ie try entering downtown toronto from etobicoke), there are only so many ways to go. In my example you have some side streets, bloor, eglington, gardiner, lake shore. But they all suck, and if you suggest the small residential roads, you'll probably sit just as long waiting to turn from road to road. I've tried. But if it helps at all its worth it imho, its not my money!

  32. Re:but seriously by OrochimaruVoldemort · · Score: 1

    missing one

    -take as many toll roads to pay for this program

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  33. The Unfortunate Fate of Traffic James by soulsteal · · Score: 5, Funny

    Aye, 'tis been a while since I heard the name of the Hound of the Highway, Traffic James.

    Jim Axelman was once an ordinary man. He had a wife, three kids, even a Labrador retriever named Buddy. But his life was changed forever as he drove to work on fateful day. You see, he was trying to change lanes while talking on his cell phone and jamming out to some Led Zeppelin playing on the classic cock station when he unfortunately cut off a Gypsy minivan-mom. The Gypsy, being a member of the same PTA as Jim, knew who he was and cursed his name to the Heavens. Since that day, he's been forced to drive the streets.

    His blinkers never work. If you're in a hurry, he slows you down. If you're not rushed, he tailgates. He can't stop for food or bathroom breaks, his odometer never changes. He forever wanders the Earth in his dark blue Geo Metro.

    It's been said that some nights, on an empty country road.... you can still hear the a never-ending play of Kashmir on the wind.

    1. Re:The Unfortunate Fate of Traffic James by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, this comes from the well-known expression (usually abbreviated) "Home, James, don't spare the horses. And avoid traffic."

    2. Re:The Unfortunate Fate of Traffic James by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      //jamming out to some Led Zeppelin playing on the classic cock station

      Audio pron?

    3. Re:The Unfortunate Fate of Traffic James by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 1

      ... some Led Zeppelin playing on the classic cock station... You know, I can't help but be struck by the irony of someone making a typo while making fun of a typo. Karma's a b**ch, ain't it? :)
    4. Re:The Unfortunate Fate of Traffic James by allanak · · Score: 1

      Haha

      ....he said classic cock station :P

    5. Re:The Unfortunate Fate of Traffic James by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      R->C is a difficult typo. I expect GP was making a funny (cf. "cock rock", a genre of which Zeppelin is certainly a member).

    6. Re:The Unfortunate Fate of Traffic James by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

      You would have gotten bonus points if you could have incorporated The Last Exit to San Breta.

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  34. Not enough roads? No, too many cars by davidwr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    More precisely: Too many cars at a given time.

    There are several ways to solve this problem:

    1) build more efficient roads, i.e. better traffic control, better lane design, better/fewer intersections, better signs, etc.
    2) build more roads, but only up to a point
    3) reduce the number of cars on the road at peak times
    3a) reduce the number of cars
    3b) spread the load out over time

    Mass transit and congestion taxes are ways to do 3a. Getting employers and schools to shift work times is a way to do 3b.

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  35. Where to go in a Jam by headhot · · Score: 1

    Here in DC, when the beltway is backed up, so is everything else. No amount of directions will solve the problem, there are too many cars and too few roads.

    I have the Navigon 7100 which gets traffic updates, and durring rush hour(s) there is no way out of it, everything goes red.

    1. Re:Where to go in a Jam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lane sharing would help:

      www.laneshare.org

      ...Stu

  36. I might believe this by AskFirefly · · Score: 1

    If M$ could prevent the traffic jams within Vista....

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    1. Re:I might believe this by OrochimaruVoldemort · · Score: 2, Funny

      it would be easier to put toll roads in vista.

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  37. Traf-o-data is Traf-o-data again... by tjstork · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Before Microsoft ever even did BASIC, Gates and Co had an abortive project called Traf-o-Data, which was somehow to help city planners with traffic management. Now Microsoft has come full circle. I wonder what's next.. after hearing so much about C# as the language of the future, are we going to get a big deal of BASIC?

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    1. Re:Traf-o-data is Traf-o-data again... by aweiland · · Score: 1

      Isn't this the product Gates and Co made when he was still a teenager and when the city finally met him they decided not to use the product?

      My history might be fuzzy on this but it's a funny story.

  38. Re:Not enough roads? No, too many cars by lastchance_000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let's add telecommuting in there. There's nothing about the work I do that requires me to be in the office more than one day a week (aside from the mandate from management). I'm sure many people on the road with me are in the same situation.

  39. Mod parent +1 punny by davidwr · · Score: 2, Funny

    We really need custom mods.

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  40. Must resist... by Thelasko · · Score: 1

    making bad Windows Vista Display Drivers pun.

    This service should work great! Traffic jams are caused by bad drivers and we know the people at Microsoft are experts with those.

    post'em if you got'em.

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  41. partly offtopic by OrochimaruVoldemort · · Score: 1

    but trafficjames.com is available to registar (please do it before microsoft does). whoever registers it better remember this article.

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  42. Multi-purpose? by nodrogluap · · Score: 1

    Is the system general enough to help me avoid Rick James...bitch?

  43. threadjack by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    chicago and new york city fare pretty well, but most sprawling american cities have awful rail service. they were built from the ground up based on road transportation rather than rail. this is not good

    east asia and europe has left us in the dust when it comes to rail service . while we spent most of the 20th century ripping up what we built up in the 19th century, other parts of the world remained committed to rail or at least let it limp along on life support. the usa pretty much killed rail: ripped up the lines and buried them under suburban subdivisions

    but with gas prices climbing, it should behoove those in positions of power to update, revive, or pioneer rail services in major american cities. it's a matter of economic security nowadays, not an environmentalist's pipe dream. due to fuel concerns, environmental concerns, quality of life concerns (remember, this threadjack is under a story about traffic congestion), i think the 21st century will represent a renaissance in railroads

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  44. Clippy by daveime · · Score: 1

    It looks like you are trying to drive the wrong way up a one-way-street - would you like help with that ?

  45. Is it just me? by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Where are the details? I've seen several attempts to use such data, and the way that traffic works, the slow-down is clear by the time it is posted to the Internet, and what shows green is red when you get there. Without a tactical HUD and real time data, such things are little more than novelties.

    Everyday I drive past one intersection that has a slow down on good days. When there are traffic problems ahead, you cannot tell until you are in the traffic jam already. Normally, it takes 2-3 minutes and you're moving again. Some days it's merely a slow-down. Traffic analysis will never show when that stretch of road is fully in congestion and the only prudent course is to get off the highway.

    I don't even care how many volunteers were in the study, modeling traffic has been done before and it does not predict the daily problems that you have to deal with.

    Nothing short of a HUD with real time data will help. Well, voice assistance from a system with real time data will help also, doesn't require a HUD.

    The point is that modeling won't do it. Only monitoring in real time will do it. Without real time data, by the time you get to the decision point half the other drivers are already clogging your escape route.

  46. Re: more roads vs fewer cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We just need more roads.

    I think you misspelled "fewer cars." In most places, building more roads is not an option (at any cost).

    I live a major city in the US, and I take the bus for a 12 mile commute to work that usually takes 16 minutes. In the mornings there are no HOV lanes to help us, so we're screwed when idiots jam the streets. It takes another 10 minutes if it even sprinkles. Ice adds 40 minutes. In the afternoon we get to take a 3+ occupant HOV lane that's almost always completely empty. On on days when the flow backs up past the start of the HOV lane, we have to sit in traffic for another 20+ minutes, but once we hit that point, it lets us literally pass 500 cars in a few miles before the next choke point (yes, I actually counted one day).

    I've observed that at least 90% of the cars in my city only have one occupant. If everyone carpooled with at least one other person, there would be close to half as many cars on the road during rush hour. Let's be generous and say 1/3 fewer cars. At that flow rate, there would be no traffic problems. If everyone took the bus, the streets would seem empty.

    We just need fewer cars.

  47. Pilot here in the Netherlands for the same system by YeeHaW_Jelte · · Score: 1

    TomTom, a dutch navigation systems manufacturer, is already equipping their latest systems with this technique, but I haven't heard any reviews or feedback, so I'm not sure if and how it works.

    If this works, it could be quite a relief ... traffics jams are terrible in the Randstad, the conglomeration of The Hague, Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Utrecht.

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  48. REDUNDANCY BE DAMNED! by b1gp0pp4 · · Score: 1

    TRAFFIC JAMES CARJACKED ME!

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  49. Better than MapPoint? by the_arrow · · Score: 1

    Lets hope it works better than MapPoint...
    And it's not the only time they screw up either.

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  50. Better Intersections? by mutube · · Score: 1

    Birmingham already has the best intersections in the world... That's a city centre you're looking at.

    Of course there is the obligatory reference to Spaghetti Junction.

    I love this city.

    1. Re:Better Intersections? by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

      That is the exact island I used to run into problems on, when they redid the Bull Ring traffic would queue up on the James Watt Queensway all the way from Digbeth which would then stop the buses getting out of Corporation Street and jam up the centre of town which would then stop the traffic trying to go down New Town Row which would then jam the A38 and bring everything around that island to a total gridlock.

  51. While I was sitting at my 4th 8 minute red light by gelfling · · Score: 1

    This morning watching almost a hundred other cars getting zero MPG it occurred to me why Raleigh NC has some of the worst air quality in the nation. You see the traffic lights here are designed to slow things down and to generate lots and lots and LOTS of traffic tickets (We write the same number of tickets as Houston, roughly 7x more people than we have).

    And you literally have to plan your trip around avoiding left turns in Raleigh because you could wait a half hour to make one. Either there's no left turn light and the rednecks will happily t-bone you instead of yielding, or, there is a left turn light and it turns green for 30 seconds every ten minutes.

    Traffic reports are a complete waste of time. Here's the traffic report for the rest of the Century: Traffic in Raleigh is fucked up.

  52. Prompt by electricbern · · Score: 1

    You are about to hit Traffic James. Avoid, Retry, Fail. > A An unknown error #8493FA54BB18 has occurred.

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  53. Re:but seriously by tuxgeek · · Score: 1

    - Left turn ahead.
    - Traffic ahead.
    - Please turn right and over the railing
    - Please fall 200 feet to the road below and proceed west on highway 53.

    Clippy would be perfect for this.

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  54. Re:Pilot here in the Netherlands for the same syst by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not really, the system deployed by TomTom makes use of the number of cellphones active in a certain area. This data is supplied by Vodafone, the second largest mobile network in the Netherlands. Tomtom sends this data to their models equiped with the TomTom HD Traffic system.

    A totally different approach, more intelligent imho, makes use of data that is allready there.

  55. "who left the research lab door unlocked?" -BG by peter303 · · Score: 1

    "This is embarassing. A good idea showed up in the research lab again. Fortunately not in our main operations where we only copy ideas from competitors. This has to to stop or people might start thinking we are innovative." -BG

  56. Are you guys talking about Traffic James? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    Did I ever tell you about the time Traffic James took me out to go get a drink with him? We go off looking for a bar and we can't find one. Finally Traffic takes me to a vacant lot and says, "Here we are." We sat there for a year and a half -- until sure enough, someone constructs a bar around us. Well, the day they opened he ordered a shot, drank it, and then burned the place to the ground. Traffic yelled over the roar of the flames, "Always leave things the way you found 'em!"

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  57. Avoid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    So how are they gonna prevent the daily traffic jam on the Sunset Freeway here in Portland? It's the only freeway that goes west of downtown, from the largest city in Oregon (Portland) to the second largest city in Oregon (Beaverton). How is software going to prevent 30,000 cars from only having one way to go? Among the problems, are a tunnel that goes under a big ass ridge (and can't be expanded), the freeway itself being in a canyon so it can't be expanded without destroying Forest Park, and the downtown terminus being a completely ODOT-botched interchange with 405 that requires you to be in the proper lane a mile in advance, or you're going the wrong way.

    Code around that one, cause most of the people driving it have tried every other route possible; and they're just as bad, if not worse:

    W. Burnside / NW Barnes Rd.? Two lane tunnel restricting traffic. Lots of traffic signals. Also, the joy of driving on W. Burnside.
    NW Lovejoy / NW Cornell? Two lanes, with "traffic calming." Oh, and you get to drive through the Pearl District, and dodge the slow-as-hell Streetcar.
    SW Barbur Blvd. / Beaverton Hillsdale Hwy? Well, good luck getting through Hillsdale without tearing your steering wheel off, because the through lane is also the one that Tri-Met stops every 2 blocks in. Oh, and the lights at Scholls Ferry Rd. are always fun to sit at for 20 minutes.

    1. Re:Avoid? by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 1

      >>and the downtown terminus being a completely ODOT-botched interchange with 405 that requires you to be in the proper lane a mile in advance

      At last, traffic jams can be explained by error codes: "Error 405, route not allowed"

      -b

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  58. Annoying Traffic James by HeavyDevelopment · · Score: 1

    Hi I'm traffic James. It looks like you are trying to turn left. Would you like help?

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  59. Re:but seriously by timelorde · · Score: 1

    Stop driving on my lawn, you damn kids!

  60. MSN Traffic by jlf278 · · Score: 1

    I actually pay to subscribe to MSN Traffic for my GPS - which, btw, is pretty useless. Don't us paying customers deserve the priority of functioning service first?

  61. Re: more roads vs fewer cars by nicklott · · Score: 1

    I think you misspelled "fewer cars." In most places, building more roads is not an option (at any cost). Amen. I think the GP is smoking crack. It wouldn't be physically possible to build more roads in Birmingham without invoking a 5th dimension (they have already expanded into the 3rd, with the M6 being elevated). You could, I guess, demolish some of the buildings to make new roads, but the more buildings you demolish the less people will need to use the roads to get there. Though some people would say that the more of Birmingham demolished the better...
  62. Where and when available by tepples · · Score: 1

    Better still - use public transport. Where and when available. In some cities, such as Fort Wayne, Indiana, there are parts of town such that the walking time to the nearest bus stop is close to the driving time straight to the destination. And there are periods of 60 hours straight when no public transport runs at all: Citilink buses in Fort Wayne do not run at night, on Saturday evenings, on Sundays, or on any of six holidays.
    1. Re:Where and when available by creepynut · · Score: 1

      Are you saying traffic jams are a problem at those times?

      Take the bus when necessary, use your car any other time.

    2. Re:Where and when available by tepples · · Score: 1

      Are you saying traffic jams are a problem at those times? They are on Labor Day or Memorial Day.
  63. Who remembers Visual Fred? by tepples · · Score: 1

    after hearing so much about C# as the language of the future, are we going to get a big deal of BASIC? Yes. When Microsoft introduced C#, it redesigned Visual Basic to match the C# semantics.
  64. You put the apostrophe too low by tepples · · Score: 2, Funny

    *I'm* Traffic James, bitch! You put the apostrophe too low. The proper way is as follows: "I'm Traffic James' bitch!"
  65. Necessity of tailgating by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't understand why anyone would want to follow too closely. For one thing, if you don't tailgate in some cities, some idiot is likely to "cut you off", or change lanes between you and the car in front of you.
    1. Re:Necessity of tailgating by bunratty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What's the problem with cars changing lanes between you and the car in front of you? I notice many times people trying to keep me from changing lanes, even when I need to in order to perform a necessary merge or get to an offramp. I think you need to loosen up a bit and not hog the road. It's perfectly okay and even necessary for cars to change lanes. Driving isn't a race.

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    2. Re:Necessity of tailgating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm willing to do whatever is necessary to prevent assholes in SUVs and monster trucks from getting in front of me.

    3. Re:Necessity of tailgating by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      If your priority in driving is to keep others from cutting you off, you have bigger problems than SUVs and monster trucks.

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  66. I can see the future now... by imyy4u1 · · Score: 0

    Already, only Ford and other Microsoft partners will be able to use this technology. Meaning if you're not in a Microsoft partners' car, then you can't run the software. So you'll only be able to avoid traffic jams if you're in a Microsoft approved vehicle. So people will grumble, but eventually the majority of people will be driving Microsoft cars.

    Pretty soon Debian Car will be launched, along with Ubuntu Car, BSDCar, etc., running better software, getting 1000mpg, capable of 0-60mph in 1.0 seconds, have 4-wheel-drive, and 5-star safety, yet only geeks will drive them and they will never be popular. Apple will come out with the iCar, which will have DRM software, and only the original purchaser of the car will be able to drive it, but it will "look cool" and have a Touch-Steering Wheel. Other drivers will only be able to drive the car 5 times before it will mysteriously stop working, and if you buy a BETA iCar it will randomly become a paperweight whenever Apple decides. Meanwhile the Microsoft car will get 1 mpg, do 0-60mph in 20 seconds, and crash randomly every day into a nearby object. But people will still use the Microsoft car to avoid traffic jams and for the other software available. Meanwhile Google will develop better traffic jam search software, that will be available on any car, and Microsoft will get jealous and try to buy it, to no avail...

    ...*sigh* the future sure does seem predictable!

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  67. ClearType Tuner, part of Windows XP PowerToys by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

    If ClearType causes color fringing on your Gateway LCD, have you tried using ClearType Tuner, part of Windows XP PowerToys, to configure ClearType? I know that out of the box, Windows ClearType assumes an RGB LCD panel, but a few LCD panels are BGR, or they have really weird gamma.

    1. Re:ClearType Tuner, part of Windows XP PowerToys by Hatta · · Score: 1

      I just gave it a shot. I still don't like it. Antialiasing, even done at the sub-pixel level makes things more blurry. I like my fonts to be nice and crisp and solid black.

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  68. Reboot by thetsguy · · Score: 1

    Wonder what would they reboot here...don't think traffic is an option... But think if they restart traffic, everyone off the road and come back again LOL

  69. Re:but seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [Cancel]

    Falling 200 feet to a road below prevents core meltdown (as far as this software can tell).

    You are about to fall 200 feet to a road below.[Cancel] [Allow]

  70. Doesn't consider other modes by wsanders · · Score: 1

    It doesn't consider other modes of transport, like my rocket-powered Breeches of Security.

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    1. Re:Doesn't consider other modes by wealthychef · · Score: 1

      Where is this hypothetical web tool they launched today? I went to maps.live.com and it did not seem to have Clearflow.

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  71. Perhaps we could fix it with moderation tags... by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

    Something like "-1 Ham-Handed Satire".

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    1. Re:Perhaps we could fix it with moderation tags... by Stanistani · · Score: 1

      {lame Simpsons reference}
      Mmmm. Ham...
      {/lame Simpsons reference}

  72. Futile... by Stanislav_J · · Score: 1

    Ain't an algorithm in the world that can predict, counteract, or eliminate stupid drivers. Math and logic do not apply to human behavior.

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    1. Re:Futile... by SparkleMotion88 · · Score: 1

      Ain't an algorithm in the world that can predict, counteract, or eliminate stupid drivers. Math and logic do not apply to human behavior.
      I disagree. I think you call "stupidity" is what some might refer to as "selfishness." This property is very predictable in people and it allows us to construct pretty good models of human behavior. It doesn't do us any good to complain about human nature and wish that people were nicer/smarter/etc. However, it is very valuable to try to identify those situations in which predictable human selfishness ends up making everyone worse off. In game theory we would say that these scenarios have sub-optimal equilibria. Hopefully, if we encounter such a situation in our traffic, we would be able to change the rules slightly in order to make the equilibria optimal.
  73. devil's advocate by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

    How about:

    SLOW THE HELL DOWN, YOU SELF-CENTERED, CLUELESS MORON.

    Two things:

    1. No matter how fast you go, there is some maniac that thinks you are going 5-10 too slow.
    2. Traffic flow works best when everyone moves at the same speed. Going faster is just as bad, if not worse than going slower.
    In the absence of some other method of forming this social contract, I suggest going the fucking speed limit.
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    1. Re:devil's advocate by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 0

      Wrong, wrong, and wrong.

      Slow drivers are not the problem. Fast drivers are not the problem. Slow *or* fast drivers that unnecessarily screw with the flow of traffic *are* the problem. When driving to work, I think about 1,000 drivers are going slower than I would like to drive. Yet ... somehow ... I don't view them as "a problem". And somehow ... they don't cause any accidents. Ditto for fast drivers.

      How can this be? Because whether you drive fast or slow, you can be a problem, or you can *not* be a problem.

      Everyone going the speed limit, however, would be a major problem. Why? For the same reason that everyone going the same speed would be a problem: It forms walls and wolf packs (I mean the car kind -- I'm not delusional) and generally impedes your ability safely move around.

      Oh, look! An obstacle you need to react to! Quick! Avoid it! Oh, wait- driver to my right, driver to my left, drivers in my blind spots. Nowhere to go! So we get an accident and a big pileup. ("But I want everyone to maintain 5 seconds of distance too!" Well, even assuming you can get *everyone* to do that, you just choked traffic flow WELL below the road's capacity.)

      If you want it to be safe, you *need* cars going different speeds *so that* safe spaces can be maintained for everyone. I've been in situations where a few well-placed assholes *going the speed limit* form a wall, resulting in me and everyone else being locked in the exact same relative position for some 30 miles, with *no* possibility of moving around. You're telling me *that* is safe?

      Seriously folks -- stay to the outer lanes when not passing. Faster traffic goes by smoothly, and everyone is safe. Everyone gets along. Problem solved.

  74. Wow, someone knows their history... by WebCowboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Gates and Co had an abortive project called Traf-o-Data

    That was not only the name of the product, it was the original name of Microsoft too.

    Up until the 1970s traffic counters recorded the "hits" on their sensors on paper charts. Legions of clerks then counted the dots on the charts by hand in a manner not unlike the infamous Florida recount (looking at "chads" all day). The tallies were then given to "computers" (that was the job title for the person, not a machine in many if not most cases), or statisticians, to figure out if roads were being over-utilised. This service was performed by traffic analysis companies on contract by municipalities.

    BillG and Paul Allen thought all this to be ridiculous as electronic computers were being widely adopted in academia and commerce, so they figured they'd save the municipalities tons of money by making a computer with the new Intel 8008 chip. Paul Allen wrote a simulator/development environment for the WSU mainframe, BillG developed the softwqare for the device itself and another friend built the hardware. It wasn't an "abortive" project--the device was completed and they made several thousand dollars using it to provide hourly traffic data to Washington state municipalities.

    The reason for Traf-o-data's shortened lifespan was that the Washington state government started taking the paper tapes and feeding them through their own new computers to analyse the traffic at no cost to the municipalities. That quickly put Traf-o-data and several other companies out of the traffic analysis business in Washington state.

    Gates and Allen retired the traf-o-data device and went off to college, but their business partnership remained intact. Within months the January 1975 Popular Electronics appeared with the MITS Altair 8800 as the cover story and gave Gates and Allen the opportunity for their next project. Gates and Allen sent a letter to Ed Roberts (MITS founder and Altair designer) offering to supply a BASIC interpreter...IIRC on Traf-o-data letterhead. (story goes that the address and phone number on the traf-o-data letterhead was for the Gates' Seattle-area residence, and when Roberts phoned one of BillG's parents answered and had no clue what this BASIC thing was about; the letter was actually sent from Harvard where BillG and Allen were studying and they forgot to tell BillG's parents about it--but that's just a story, like the one about IBM's men in dark suits showing up at Mrs. Kildall's doorstep). They modified Allen's 8008 simluator to fully support the 8080 procesor of the Altair and set forth writing the BASIC.

    After the demo, Roberts hired them (well, Paul Allen at least was an employee) as MITS software development team, and they dropped out and moved to New Mexico to do business near MITS. Their business continued on the side, independent of MITS, and was re-named from Traf-o-data to Micro-soft (the hyphen disappeared when the company converted from a simple partnership into a corporation. They retained rights to supply BASIC to other computer vendors and end users, and then set about creating 6809 and 6502 ports of BASIC. Their BASIC quicky found its way onto IMSAI, ProcTech, Tandy and Commodore computers and the rest is history.

    Perhaps BillG was feeling nostalgic about the Traf-o-data system that REALLY started it all for MSFT (not the Altair 8800 or the IBM 5150 as most people might think) and decided to pay homage to "the founder".

    1. Re:Wow, someone knows their history... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WSU? Are you sure it wasn't UW? WSU is an aggie school in quiet Eastern Washington, UW is smack-dab in Seattle off I-5.

      http://depts.washington.edu/trac/
      http://www.its.washington.edu/trafnet/

  75. Monopoly again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh yay! Now with MS Sync in new cars and MS Traffic James a Microsoft only service, Microsoft can really extend its monopoly power. And, if they do it right, it will really be Microsoft only and some well paid lawmaker will make it mandatory (to save gas, of course, all in the public interest).

  76. Seriously... by Megatog615 · · Score: 1

    We all know this is a car analogy.

  77. trafficjames.com was just registered at GoDaddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Expire Date: 04/10/2009
    Admin email address:
    Registrant: praxistheory LLC
    Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
    Status: active
    Locked: Y
    Raw whois output:

          Domain Name: TRAFFICJAMES.COM
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  78. I just tried it by Thelasko · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It gave me different directions to and from work. I guess this means it's accounting for traffic jams. I did notice that it doesn't ask what time you will be making this journey. In my experience lesser known streets are faster during rush hour, and larger streets and expressways are fastest at off-peak times.

    Microsoft also needs to update their maps of Chicago. I-355 goes all the way to I-80 now. I thought it took Google a long time to fix that. Wow!

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  79. Prisoner's Delimma by IdahoEv · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If people looked at driving as a cooperative effort - try and let everyone drive at the speed they want to - then everyone ends having a lot smoother journey. If everyone only acts in their own interests it all gets a bit more stressful and scary.


    I've always thought that traffic is basically one massive game of Prisoner's Delimma. Defecting (swerving lanes, cutting people off) can gain you a bit of time relative to traffic, but only at the cost of slowing overall traffic down. The more people do it, the worse the congestion becomes for everyone.
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  80. Uh oh, Microsoft for traffic management? by Morkalin · · Score: 1

    Expect more crashes.

    1. Re:Uh oh, Microsoft for traffic management? by shentino · · Score: 1

      *rimshot*

      Mod parent up funny, this is traffic.

  81. Great by Degrees · · Score: 1

    Great. So now in Sync equipped cars, I can expect a Personal Dashboard Assistant named Zippy to offer to wrest the steering wheel away from me.

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  82. Seattle traffic is a lost cause by AeroIllini · · Score: 1

    ...effectively creating individual 'personalities' for over 800,000 road segments in the Seattle region. I live in Seattle, and let me tell ya, there's no getting around the traffic. There is exactly one major north-south highway (I-5)*, one major east-west highway (I-90), and one that does an end-around the city (I-405). An accident anywhere within city limits during rush hour will back up traffic on all three. Entrances and exits are so poorly designed that they routinely cause backups during non-peak hours (many have stoplights that prevent people from merging at speed, causing further delays). The constantly shifting number of lanes, exit-only lanes, carpool-only lanes, merging lanes, tunnels, hills, bridges, spaghetti interchanges, and various giant matriculated buses doing the four-lane-shuffle to get from the exit lane to the carpool lane and back all conspire to make traffic a hellishly unstable system that can collapse into a jam if someone so much as sneezes.

    Not to mention the worrying Seattle habit of driving exactly the same speed as the person to your right.

    And the surface streets provide zero through routes. I have done time trials on my commute, trying various methods of getting there, and it turned out that even if traffic was bumper to bumper on the highway, taking the highway was still faster than any route on surface streets, and I only go a few miles.

    The local television stations here already have real-time traffic maps on their websites, fully viewable by any web-enabled phone. They are fed by fairly accurate DOT sensors. The radio stations give traffic reports every 10 minutes on the drive home. My guess is that the Microsoft employees were fed up with Seattle traffic (as they should be) and then defaulted to their standard NIH mode for solving it.

    I'm not sure how any more data can help the situation in Seattle. The problem is the roads, the drivers, and the lack of any sane public transportation. Not a lack of information. Microsoft should have spent that money to build some light rail instead.

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    1. Re:Seattle traffic is a lost cause by doktor-hladnjak · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Especially if you're trying to get through downtown or across any sort of bridge (520, I-90, Montlake, ship canal, etc.) during rush hour, you're screwed. Crappy infrastructure plus water, water everywhere is a recipe for unavoidable congestion.

  83. Low tech solution by dave562 · · Score: 1

    Take public transit. I take the train from Long Beach to downtown Los Angeles every day. It is predictable and always takes the same amount of time. I take the bus from my house to the train station in the morning and back again at the end of the day. The extra time on the train is great for reading and various other activities that I could never do while sitting in rush hour traffic. With the cost of gas these days I save ~$100 a week riding the train.

  84. Summary: Microsoft + Complex Modelling by zIRtrON · · Score: 0

    I stopped reading the summary...

  85. blah blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great! Just what the world needs, yet another MS product modeled exclusively on US information. I bet you it sh1ts itself in Cairo (the traffic never actually stops) or in outback OZ (there ARE no alternatives).

    (On the upside, my CAPTCHA for this was 'lagers'. Maybe I'll go and have a beer rather than worry about traffic!)

  86. Mismarketing by afabbro · · Score: 1

    I would expect a product named "Clearflow" to either help me beat a drug test or to fix a prostate problem.

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  87. Re: more roads vs fewer cars by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

    Au contraire, there's plenty of room to either build more roads or increase the size of the existing ones in Birmingham, a good example of them doing exactly that is the new route round the back of Selly Oak through a vast swathe of what were allotments and general wasteland to take the pressure of the Bristol Road and they most definitely could have built both more and bigger roads when the redid the Bull Ring but instead they seem to have devised some system which basically just crashes and reaches gridlock the moment there is any sort of incident on the A38.

    Ideally yes, fewer cars is also a good solution but it's just not going to work if investments is not made in alternative methods of transport. Since the government refueses to make those investments - there is a perfectly good railway going from my house into town with, currently derelict, stations and everything on it which is simply not used - then cars are the only option and they should build the infrastructre to support the volume of cars they have.