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Duke Nukem Forever Preview On Jace Hall Show

An anonymous reader writes "The Jace Hall Show launched today on Sony's Crackle with a real gameplay preview of Duke Nukem Forever. Jace Hall is a former video game producer and Warner Bros exec and apparently this is his foray into online celebrity. DNF is 12 years in development ... it might be real after all." And if you have had enough self-indulgent gaming-news patter, another reader says "If you want to simply skip right ahead, it's about 4:20 in."

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  1. DNF cannot be completed by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Never. Because it will bomb.

    Why? What if it's good? Doesn't matter. It can't live up to the expectations. However good it may be, somewhere in the resume there will be the line "well, it has X, but after Y years of waiting, you could expect something more than just Z, and they could have taken that extra months to iron out the W".

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    1. Re:DNF cannot be completed by Quinn_Inuit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You mean people still expect video games to have some sort of quality control done to them prior to launch? Wow. I always wait a year to get a new game. MOO3 I waited about three years and the fans were _still_ patching it. (They did a really good job, though.)

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    2. Re:DNF cannot be completed by Rams�s+Morales · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It will never live up to the expectations, but if it is good and fun, people will buy it. But I guess that no game can be profitable after 12 years of development.

    3. Re:DNF cannot be completed by lilfields · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think this is known as Doom 3 syndrome...I remember it being pumped at Quakecon for years...then I got a multiplayer preview...which was fun...then finally the game was released...and I never actually finished the single player. The multiplayer is actually kind of fun...and my friend made a really cool mod. Anyhow that's irrelevant, the moral to the story is that Doom 3's single player was completely disappointing, though in all actuality it probably wasn't that bad...but my expectations were set so high after getting the leaked alpha E3 demo...that it just wasn't enjoyable. I did buy it though...I'd expect the same of Duke Nukem Forever.

    4. Re:DNF cannot be completed by teknopurge · · Score: 5, Funny

      They actually said what they've been doing in the video: hookers, cocaine and getting level 70 WoW characters. Exactly what I would expect of Duke's R&D staff....

    5. Re:DNF cannot be completed by billcopc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Patching it ?

      You mean, they replaced it with Dosbox and Moo2 ?

      I anticipated Moo3 for a long time, and when it finally happened I was irreparably disappointed. I didn't have too much issue with the bugs, I just thought they butchered the whole game by making it even more boring than the Democracy games. Too much administrative bullshit, not enough exploding-alien-ship action.

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    6. Re:DNF cannot be completed by deepershade · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Incorrect. Everyone expects it to bomb. You're not alone in your opinion. Everyone expresses that they believe the game will suck, therefore, it won't take all that much to live up to the expectations.

    7. Re:DNF cannot be completed by SaintOfAllChucks · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As long as this game has been in development unless it is heralded in by the second coming of Christ himself it will be a let down. I also have no thrill in the possibility of having to explain to kids I teach about the humor and what the gamers of my generation thought was awesome back in the mid 90's.

    8. Re:DNF cannot be completed by Apathist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      though in all actuality it probably wasn't that bad... No, it's OK, it really was that bad.

      It's one thing to have things teleporting into a room when you first arrive there (a la Doom 1), but it is entirely another thing to have some monster waiting in some tiny, undetectable compartment, ignoring you until you've walked past it exactly 7 times. The irrationality of such rubbish spoiled the immersion, and thus the game...
    9. Re:DNF cannot be completed by Sitnalta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Team Fortress 2 was in development hell for 9 years. Not only did it live up to the expectations, it exceeded them.

      Sometimes extremely long development phases are due to the company making the best damned product they possibly can and not accepting second rate. Anybody can shit out a video game in a few years, but it takes a long time to make something that's truly good. Especially if the developer wants to make something that's fun to play and has interesting visuals. Instead of just FPS #54936-B

    10. Re:DNF cannot be completed by inKubus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, I've had hallucinations at 4:20 before.

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    11. Re:DNF cannot be completed by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But I guess that no game can be profitable after 12 years of development. They could update Duke Nukem 3D & Shadow Warrior to run on the new engine.

      Toss them in a box and charge $10~$25 for the pair of games.
      Offer $5 off if you buy it with DN: Forever
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    12. Re:DNF cannot be completed by budgenator · · Score: 4, Interesting

      yeah that sounds good. Games are like computers, every time you think you've got the optimum price to performance ratio, there a new breakthrough so you start over refactor for the new tech. There is a saying "The road to failure is paved with perfection, The road to success is paved with good-enough".

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    13. Re:DNF cannot be completed by Propaganda13 · · Score: 5, Funny

      So you're the guy who bought Daikatana.

    14. Re:DNF cannot be completed by FelixGordon · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Hey guys, we found Romero!"

    15. Re:DNF cannot be completed by Ash+Vince · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I had an entirely different problem with Doom3 that prevented me from playing it all the way through. I did play it in a darkened room on a 6800gtx bought just for the purpose so everything was smooth and I could appreciate the scenery. The problem was that it scared the hell out of me. I found it too atmospheric so I could only play it for an hour or so then I needed a break.

      If anything I think they did too good a job on the level design so it made me fell slighty claustrophobic. It reminded me of the first Alien movie where they really nailed how it must feel to spend time in a cramped, sealed environment in space.

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    16. Re:DNF cannot be completed by WeblionX · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, if it finally supports networking and multitasking out of the box I'd definitely get Windows 7! I mean, DOS 7.

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    17. Re:DNF cannot be completed by paganizer · · Score: 2, Informative

      MOO3 was the only game I've ever pre-ordered. I owned a game store back in what I considered "The Golden Age", and had copies of MOM, MOO, MOO2 and XCOM (although mine was called UFO: Enemy Unknown; got them from England to beat the other U.S. Retailers. I have a unopened 3.5" retail box on my shelf, BTW). I'd reread the reviews a zillion times, and it sounded like they really had it. Gods. I played it. once. for about 2 hours. Tried it again briefly the next day, hoping I had hallucinated it. Nope. sucked. bad bad bad. I ran across it again after throwing it against the back wall of my storage shed sometime last year, thought I would see if it had been MODded to playability. I have to admit, they have made a respectable effort. the game is not totally unplayable anymore. On the other hand, MOO2 runs just fine in Win2k, and is not only playable, it's incomparably good. I still hate those assholes.

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    18. Re:DNF cannot be completed by somersault · · Score: 2, Informative

      lol.. FPSes are FPSes, racing games are racing games, Tetris is Tetris.. pong is pong.. good old games are still good. Games have been getting more story driven and have more realistic physics/shiny graphics but that's about it.

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    19. Re:DNF cannot be completed by PMBjornerud · · Score: 4, Funny

      They actually said what they've been doing in the video: hookers, cocaine and getting level 70 WoW characters. Exactly what I would expect of Duke's R&D staff.... Hookers and cocaine, sure. But what the hell were they doing playing WoW???
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    20. Re:DNF cannot be completed by Yvanhoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What ? Some people still expect something from it ?

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    21. Re:DNF cannot be completed by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's one thing to have things teleporting into a room when you first arrive there (a la Doom 1), but it is entirely another thing to have some monster waiting in some tiny, undetectable compartment, ignoring you until you've walked past it exactly 7 times. The irrationality of such rubbish spoiled the immersion, and thus the game... Didn't Duke Nukem 3D spoof this with the monster in the toilet?
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    22. Re:DNF cannot be completed by xtracto · · Score: 4, Funny

      They actually said what they've been doing in the video: hookers, cocaine and getting level 70 WoW characters. Exactly what I would expect of Duke's R&D staff....
      Yeah, in fact, forget the video game.

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    23. Re:DNF cannot be completed by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Funny

      MOO3 was the only game I've ever pre-ordered. Is that the cow game on the Wii?

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  2. Like fake boobs... by porkmusket · · Score: 5, Funny

    If I can play with em, they're real. I can't play DNF, so it's not.

    1. Re:Like fake boobs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      So, you implying that all boobs are fake?
      I mean, this is slashdot and most of the people here have never played with real 3D boobs since being breastfed...

    2. Re:Like fake boobs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The boobs are a lie.

  3. vaporware until it's in my hands by wizardforce · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great, if we do actually get to see Duke Nukem forever for sure... in our hands... what will replace the ever popular Duke Nukem Forever vaporware meme? Spore?

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    1. Re:vaporware until it's in my hands by crackp1pe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We've always got HURD and WinFS.

  4. Last time I checked by Centurix · · Score: 5, Funny

    My cubicle is a steady 23C, hell certainly hasn't frozen over yet.

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    1. Re:Last time I checked by maliabu · · Score: 3, Funny

      Mine is a steady 32C, I always wish she was 34D though.

    2. Re:Last time I checked by maxume · · Score: 4, Funny

      Cut the cord man!

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    3. Re:Last time I checked by thatnerdguy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Of course they have the Internet...where do you think all those old Geocities and Angelfire webpages went???

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  5. OK, I'll bite... by mangu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I suppose it will run on a Linux Desktop, right? And the online edition will run from a secure Windows server...

  6. Awww... by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

    And so soon after it made the list.

    1. Re:Awww... by Bandman · · Score: 2, Funny

      In fact, it's very possible that it's the reason for the list's raison d'Ãtre

  7. Better looking than the game. by dollar99 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The bikini models are at 5:14 into the video. I'm not kidding.

    1. Re:Better looking than the game. by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 4, Funny

      Only on Slashdot can this be modded as "Informative". :)

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  8. DNF Gameplay revealed! by cptnapalm · · Score: 5, Funny

    Upon entering the final level, you realize that it all looks suspiciously familiar...

    It is the first level!

    The game is an infinite loop!

    You have to play Duke Nukem forever!

    1. Re:DNF Gameplay revealed! by CoolGopher · · Score: 5, Funny

      Damn, I'm going to be all out of bubble gum by then!

    2. Re:DNF Gameplay revealed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thanks a lot, assclown. You just delayed the release by another five years.

    3. Re:DNF Gameplay revealed! by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wouldn't be complete without a one-liner that sounds totally lame coming from me, but would rock in Jon St. John's voice:

      "Shit. I'm gonna be here forever!"

      Or something like that.

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    4. Re:DNF Gameplay revealed! by Socguy · · Score: 2, Funny

      I like your ambition. A joke on /. relating to various types of non-hand related physical activity.

  9. Pros and Cons by definate · · Score: 4, Funny

    There are a few pros and cons to releasing Duke Nukem Forever.

    When it is released, we will be able to play Duke Nukem Forever, which by this time, better be awesome!

    However, after it is released we then lose a lot of Duke Nukem Forever jokes. We will have to put thought into what will take its place in Wired News's Vaporware Awards.

    The post-Duke Nukem Forever released world, will be vastly different to what we know today... and that makes me scared.

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  10. Re:A bit let down by BiggerBoat · · Score: 2, Informative

    The engine is actually based on heavily modified Unreal/Unreal 2 tech.

  11. Re:Damn swf video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    To be honest, we had a meeting back in 1997 to figure out how to piss off a guy named stormwatch on something called slashdot in the year 2008. We came to the inevitable conclusion that we would have to first invent slashdot work with adobe to develop flash, waste years of development time on Duke nukem forever, then release a video in swf format and post a slashdot story with a link to it. Now all of years of hard work have paid off.

    3D Relms

  12. DNF Advertising Campaign by Renderer+of+Evil · · Score: 5, Funny

    "12 YEARS in the Making"

    "Most Anticipated Game of Last 3 Generations."

    "If You thought Duke Nukem 3D (1996) was good... then HOLD ON TO YOUR COCKS!"

    This will be an amazing hit with people who went into coma a decade ago and the last thing they remember was playing Duke Nukem with their Voodoo 3 card.

    1. Re:DNF Advertising Campaign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Duke3d was software rendered, the voodoo 3 didnt even exist until nearly 4 years later.

      Stop pretending you were allowed to touch daddys pc ;)

    2. Re:DNF Advertising Campaign by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It was fun in multiplayer too. You could lay pipebomb traps, and if you weren't paying attention then someone would come and pick up the pipe bombs and throw them at you. You could put laser trip mines in the lifts, so people would explode when they came up if they didn't remember to look up. You could also use long laser beams to detonate the mines yourself when someone walked near them and thought they were clever for avoiding them. The shrink ray was great fun - if you got hit by it then you had to run away quickly before someone trod on you. Unlike Quake, swimming players in Duke3D actually looked like they were swimming. You could fly with the jetpack, get up to a high point, and then strafe people on the streets by - only to get hit by the shrink ray, which stopped your jetpack from working.

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  13. Re:A bit let down by urcreepyneighbor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Prey At least that had Art Bell in it.

    Maybe I'm in the minority, but the run-and-gun genre is just so damn... boring. Maybe I'm just too damn old.

    See bad guy, shoot, run, see another bad guy, shoot, run....
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  14. Re:A bit let down by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Funny

    At least until the next rewrite.

  15. Re:A bit let down by oskard · · Score: 3, Informative
    From Wikipedia:

    On September 9, 2004, GameSpot reported that Duke Nukem Forever had switched to the Doom 3 engine. Those screenshots from the Unreal 2 engine were ancient, release in 2001. They've gone through about 5 major renderer overhauls since then.
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  16. Re:A bit let down by BiggerBoat · · Score: 5, Informative
    From six months ago:

    Question: what engine is it using? Not bashing at all, just curious.

    Broussard: Unreal. I believe we branched off somewhere around the Unreal 2 time when they added static meshes. Since then we've redone the rendering 100% and it's a fully modern engine.


    So Broussard says they're using the Unreal/Unreal 2 tech, but that they've redone the rendering 100%. Parse that as you will.
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  17. Duke Nukem may live... by Nim82 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...but what about the dopefish?

  18. Repent! by JesseL · · Score: 4, Funny

    The end times are near.

    The release of DNF has been foretold as the final harbinger of the end times. When the Final Duke goes gold, the seventh seal shall be broken and all the gamers shall cry out and lament that their RAM is insufficient and their video cards unworthy.

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  19. Re:Damn swf video by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why don't they use an actual VIDEO format for videos? Those swf-based players are hit and miss, and usually miss.

    Most swf-players play an FLV (either streaming or not). FLV uses H.264 or H.263 (in the recent incarnations). These are the latest and greates codecs. And Flash is less evil than quicktime or realplayer, the other common ways to stream video online.

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  20. Another console game by SpacePunk · · Score: 4, Funny

    On the Phantom, no less.

  21. Re:Flash 9 required. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's no reason to apologize to us, we aren't the ones depriving ourselves by holding to some vacant principle.

  22. Trailers by TheLink · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yeah. I mean look at TF2, they intentionally made it look cartoony.

    Duke Nukem _is_ a cartoony character :). Making the graphics more realistic can be counter productive.

    That said, trailers can be very deceptive, you might have just seen all the best parts and that's it.

    A little bit of editing goes a long way, for example:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmkVWuP_sO0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T5_0AGdFic

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekXxi9IKZSA

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      Per GeorgeB himself:

      This was a snippet from one level inside hoover dam, for a few mins. there are large outdoor environments, too, and tons of stuff not seen here. I wasn't even sure they were going to show game footage as the original deal was to just film jason playing the game, and a reaction. They cut in a few scenese [sic] here and there. Much much more to see and come.
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  23. Re:A bit let down by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

    See bad guy, shoot, run, see another bad guy, shoot, run.... Which describes an FPS about as well as "Move piece, wait, move piece, wait, move piece, wait..." describes chess. Even in a deathmatch you won't become very good just running around shooting at whatever happens to drop in your sight, and there's plenty game modes that require real cooperation. Try watching a good CTF team and you'll see they don't run around shooting at random any more than a chess player moves pieces at random.
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  24. Re:Funding? by cp.tar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe our interest cannot extend past the demo, because we've actually waited these 12 years.

    I'm 25, so that means I was about 12 when DN3D was popular. Are you honestly saying that the 12-year-olds of today will not buy and play the game regardless of its development history?

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  25. Re:Damn swf video by Ethan+Allison · · Score: 2, Informative

    FLV is a video format.

  26. Enough time has passed by 6350' · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oddly enough, a sufficient amount of time has passed to let the ghost of oldschool Duke Nukem fade away. The result is that, much in the same way that TF2 took so freaking long that the people originally looking forward to it grew up, got jobs, had kids, joined the Masons, and died - leaving a largely new batch of people who weren't that familiar with the original context the game arose from. So to with DNF, I suspect. Let's be honest here - the average 22 year old kid who sees a review of DNF on some game site in six months isnt going to have the 12 years of expectation and context that the rest of us might have. The result? I suspect DNF will actually do just fine. We all went from growing expectations over time, to mocking it, to effectively forgetting about it and moving on. DNF is now a game for a new wodge of users, who won't be all that familiar with its history. DNF has gone on long enough that, like TF2, the clock has actually kind of reset.

    1. Re:Enough time has passed by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 2

      29 here, let's just hope it's released before I'm 30 ;)

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    2. Re:Enough time has passed by TFer_Atvar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not really. Because DNF has become a grand in-joke and no community spreads in-jokes as well as computer/gamer nerds, even folks my little sibling's age (5 years old at DN3D release) are familiar with the story and jokes. If you're at all a part of the gaming community, you know the story.

    3. Re:Enough time has passed by toxicity69 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am 23, and I have been waiting for this since 1996. Shit I made maps for it when I was 12.

      Same. At this point, even if DNF is just the same as the old Duke Nukem, its still a great game because the Duke Nukem theme is cool; and the old Duke game doesn't work on Vista, and barely on XP. So even if its the same, as long as it works, I can play a Duke Nukem multiplayer game with my friends again (hopefully it has multiplayer).

  27. Re:Damn swf video by spongman · · Score: 4, Informative

    the Jace Hall show, along with all the new content on crackle.com is show with pro equipment and encoded in H.264 - that's why we require a recent build of the flash player. if you have a fast internet connection you can watch the 2Mbps 720p H.264 stream. we think it's some of the best looking video on the web today.

  28. The shrink gun is in ! by Cochonou · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yeah !
    That was about time we saw such a gun in another game than a sprite-based First Person Shooter.

  29. No surprise by greg1104 · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you want to simply skip right ahead, it's about 4:20 in


    I'd wager there was a lot of 4:20 time influencing how long of a delay it's been for this title to be completed.
  30. Re:Damn swf video by spoco2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Um, because they HIT far, FAR more often than they miss, especially compared to all the other video formats.

    And Flash has an insanely high penetration rate.

    If your pc is screwed up and can't see it, don't blame them, blame you for not running a half decently configured pc.

  31. Re:A bit let down by ConanG · · Score: 2, Informative

    Who the hell spends $1k on a gaming pc? I just put together a gaming machine last week. 2.53 GHz core 2 duo, 8800GT, 2 GB 1066 DDR2 = $350. Processor, video card, and ram are the 3 most important components to a speedy system. Runs everything I throw at it with all the in-game settings maxed.

  32. There was another game... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Delayed, over and over... Multiple trailers and gameplay videos shown, some with features that never made it into the actual game, most of which were just cool, and made you want the game now...

    Original game was a bestseller, a genre-defining blockbuster, with the kind of ending that demands a sequel... Sequel came out ten years after the original, and was at least five years in development. I'd expect the anticipation would be at least as hard to match.

    Can you guess?

    Half-Life 2.

    Oh, and they did it again, to a lesser extent, with Team Fortress 2.

    Now, it's possible Duke Nukem Forever may never be released. Maybe it will be a Windows Vista, and suck so much that most people would rather play Duke Nukem 3D.

    But I see no reason why it couldn't be released, and be every bit what we expect -- especially when most of us don't have expectations much higher than yours.

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  33. Re:A bit let down by -noefordeg- · · Score: 4, Funny

    Runs everything I throw at it with all the in-game settings maxed. Maxed?
    You forgot to mention that your screen is a 14" LCD at 800x600...
  34. Re:it might be real? by cytg.net · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I hereby swear, by the great spaghetti monster, that I, indeed, shall shell out the bucks to buy this game irl should it ever surface in this desert of the real.
    I would even be tempted to buy a backup copy as well!

  35. Inspiration by phorm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I believe they've decided to scrap the current version of DNF again, and rework it as an MMORPG...

    The sad thing is, if they announced such today, I really wouldn't be surprised anymore.

  36. Sure they have by phorm · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hey, a large portion of those here on slashdot *have* boobs. Big ones. Unfortunately those same individuals are male...

  37. Re:Never gonna give you up, etc, etc by pha7boy · · Score: 2, Funny

    we all get rick rolled once or twice. It's just too bad it always happens when it comes to Duke Nukem. :D

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