Duke Nukem Forever Preview On Jace Hall Show

An anonymous reader writes "The Jace Hall Show launched today on Sony's Crackle with a real gameplay preview of Duke Nukem Forever. Jace Hall is a former video game producer and Warner Bros exec and apparently this is his foray into online celebrity. DNF is 12 years in development ... it might be real after all." And if you have had enough self-indulgent gaming-news patter, another reader says "If you want to simply skip right ahead, it's about 4:20 in."

Comments

it might be real?

[pha7boy]

yeah, you know, Santa might be real as well. I'm not holding my breath.

Re:it might be real?

[AKAImBatman]

You know what's scary? This looks like it would have been fun. What they showed in the video looks like the original Half Life running in the Doom 3 engine. (i.e. Yet Another FPS(TM))

Re:it might be real?

[cytg.net]

I hereby swear, by the great spaghetti monster, that I, indeed, shall shell out the bucks to buy this game irl should it ever surface in this desert of the real.
I would even be tempted to buy a backup copy as well!

Re:it might be real?

[MrEricSir]

Santa doesn't have balls of steel.

Re:it might be real?

[Impy the Impiuos Imp]

Is there another link to the primary article? My workplace blocks it as "inappropriate", although interestingly, it does not block the one about virtual child porn.

Re:it might be real?

[Hal_Porter]

You know what's scary? This looks like it would have been fun. What they showed in the video looks like the original Half Life running in the Doom 3 engine. (i.e. Yet Another FPS(TM)) They should have padded that out to a game.

DNF cannot be completed

[Opportunist]

Never. Because it will bomb.

Why? What if it's good? Doesn't matter. It can't live up to the expectations. However good it may be, somewhere in the resume there will be the line "well, it has X, but after Y years of waiting, you could expect something more than just Z, and they could have taken that extra months to iron out the W".

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Quinn_Inuit]

You mean people still expect video games to have some sort of quality control done to them prior to launch? Wow. I always wait a year to get a new game. MOO3 I waited about three years and the fans were _still_ patching it. (They did a really good job, though.)

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Rams�s Morales]

It will never live up to the expectations, but if it is good and fun, people will buy it. But I guess that no game can be profitable after 12 years of development.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[lilfields]

I think this is known as Doom 3 syndrome...I remember it being pumped at Quakecon for years...then I got a multiplayer preview...which was fun...then finally the game was released...and I never actually finished the single player. The multiplayer is actually kind of fun...and my friend made a really cool mod. Anyhow that's irrelevant, the moral to the story is that Doom 3's single player was completely disappointing, though in all actuality it probably wasn't that bad...but my expectations were set so high after getting the leaked alpha E3 demo...that it just wasn't enjoyable. I did buy it though...I'd expect the same of Duke Nukem Forever.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[irtza]

development? is that what you think they were doing? How about enjoying themselves off the profits from their first titles? My guess is the good times for them are coming to an end and they are back at work... or just bored and realized they enjoy what they are doing... personally I think they were prob responsible for half the /. DNF meme jokes... but I could be underestimating... and the oblig I will believe this when after Duke Nukem Forever comes out!

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[teknopurge]

They actually said what they've been doing in the video: hookers, cocaine and getting level 70 WoW characters. Exactly what I would expect of Duke's R&D staff....

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[billcopc]

Patching it ?

You mean, they replaced it with Dosbox and Moo2 ?

I anticipated Moo3 for a long time, and when it finally happened I was irreparably disappointed. I didn't have too much issue with the bugs, I just thought they butchered the whole game by making it even more boring than the Democracy games. Too much administrative bullshit, not enough exploding-alien-ship action.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[deepershade]

Incorrect. Everyone expects it to bomb. You're not alone in your opinion. Everyone expresses that they believe the game will suck, therefore, it won't take all that much to live up to the expectations.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Actually, I do RTFA]

They actually said what they've been doing in the video: hookers, cocaine and getting level 70 WoW characters. Exactly what I would expect of Duke's R&D staff....

Hmmm... sounds like Hollywood, but with WoW and I might have a chance of getting in. Time to mail my resume.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[SaintOfAllChucks]

As long as this game has been in development unless it is heralded in by the second coming of Christ himself it will be a let down. I also have no thrill in the possibility of having to explain to kids I teach about the humor and what the gamers of my generation thought was awesome back in the mid 90's.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Apathist]

though in all actuality it probably wasn't that bad... No, it's OK, it really was that bad.

It's one thing to have things teleporting into a room when you first arrive there (a la Doom 1), but it is entirely another thing to have some monster waiting in some tiny, undetectable compartment, ignoring you until you've walked past it exactly 7 times. The irrationality of such rubbish spoiled the immersion, and thus the game...

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Sitnalta]

Team Fortress 2 was in development hell for 9 years. Not only did it live up to the expectations, it exceeded them.

Sometimes extremely long development phases are due to the company making the best damned product they possibly can and not accepting second rate. Anybody can shit out a video game in a few years, but it takes a long time to make something that's truly good. Especially if the developer wants to make something that's fun to play and has interesting visuals. Instead of just FPS #54936-B

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Yvan256]

Man, FPS #54936-B was crap. I wish they'd make something at least half as good as FPS #1648-C, but it's been so long that I've given up hope.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Machtyn]

What expectations? After 12 years in development what *new* idea can they put into a shooter that 50 other FPS haven't already done? I'm not saying there isn't room for innovation, I'm saying for Duke, they're working on a franchise 12 years old - something that was released in another day and age. They'll have to redesign Duke. Actually, I would call the game Serious Sam the next gen Duke.

In any case, I think the people who are old enough to have remembered Duke are probably: jaded, weathered, experienced, in the game industry and first person shooters to expect only so much from Duke. (Need we be reminded of Daikatana?)

/my background: I've been playing fps since Wolfenstein, came up in ranks on Quake, Team Fortress, Half-Life, CS, TF1.5, Unreal, (Nerf Arena Blast... Hah!), Serious Sam, Tom Clancy games - and that's only the tip.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[cbreaker]

I didn't think it was that bad. I thought Doom 3 was pretty good single-player, actually. It was the first decent game to do real lighting and I enjoyed exploring around dark areas with a flashlight casting pretty realistic looking shadows and stuff. It would even startle you at some points.

The thing I didn't like was that later in the game, it just got impossible. A challenge is good, but having to repeat a part of the game 50 times to get past some retardedly hard area isn't fun.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[NoPantsJim]

I always felt that the leaked E3 alpha was actually scarier and more fun than the finished product we finally received.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[inKubus]

Yeah, I've had hallucinations at 4:20 before.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[TubeSteak]

But I guess that no game can be profitable after 12 years of development. They could update Duke Nukem 3D & Shadow Warrior to run on the new engine.

Toss them in a box and charge $10~$25 for the pair of games.
Offer $5 off if you buy it with DN: Forever

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[budgenator]

yeah that sounds good. Games are like computers, every time you think you've got the optimum price to performance ratio, there a new breakthrough so you start over refactor for the new tech. There is a saying "The road to failure is paved with perfection, The road to success is paved with good-enough".

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[kklein]

I don't think anyone finished it. I was bored after about 4 hours.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Chandon Seldon]

I don't think anyone finished it. I was bored after about 4 hours.

I finished it, and think it was an excellent game.

You probably had one of two problems:

1.) You expected something else and were too busy complaining that you didn't get it to enjoy what you had.
2.) You didn't bother setting up properly. Either you were playing it on a system that couldn't run it smoothly or you were playing in a brightly lit room and couldn't the amazing-but-dark scene on the screen.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Propaganda13]

So you're the guy who bought Daikatana.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[lilfields]

I completely agree, the leak was much more fun...I remember running in on my old GeForce 4 at 30fps at a pretty low resolution...ah those were the days. In any case, the Berzerker in the multiplayer was really freaky and awesome at the same time. I might actually go back and play it now, that I have a better set up...hrm

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[pclminion]

It will never live up to the expectations, but if it is good and fun, people will buy it. But I guess that no game can be profitable after 12 years of development.

Can any game be RELEVANT after 12 years of development? It's like people sitting around anxiously awaiting the release of MS-DOS 7.0.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Sitnalta]

Well if they had just tightened up the graphics in level 3 like their game testers said, it wouldn't have been such a epic failure.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[FelixGordon]

"Hey guys, we found Romero!"

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Machtyn]

Hey, I agree, Sam would kick Duke's butt before Duke' cig hit the ground and he'd have a better taunt.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Ash Vince]

I had an entirely different problem with Doom3 that prevented me from playing it all the way through. I did play it in a darkened room on a 6800gtx bought just for the purpose so everything was smooth and I could appreciate the scenery. The problem was that it scared the hell out of me. I found it too atmospheric so I could only play it for an hour or so then I needed a break.

If anything I think they did too good a job on the level design so it made me fell slighty claustrophobic. It reminded me of the first Alien movie where they really nailed how it must feel to spend time in a cramped, sealed environment in space.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[CannonballHead]

I think the only expectation for DNF was that it would never be released. Duke Nukem ForNever.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[WeblionX]

Well, if it finally supports networking and multitasking out of the box I'd definitely get Windows 7! I mean, DOS 7.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[paganizer]

MOO3 was the only game I've ever pre-ordered. I owned a game store back in what I considered "The Golden Age", and had copies of MOM, MOO, MOO2 and XCOM (although mine was called UFO: Enemy Unknown; got them from England to beat the other U.S. Retailers. I have a unopened 3.5" retail box on my shelf, BTW). I'd reread the reviews a zillion times, and it sounded like they really had it. Gods. I played it. once. for about 2 hours. Tried it again briefly the next day, hoping I had hallucinated it. Nope. sucked. bad bad bad. I ran across it again after throwing it against the back wall of my storage shed sometime last year, thought I would see if it had been MODded to playability. I have to admit, they have made a respectable effort. the game is not totally unplayable anymore. On the other hand, MOO2 runs just fine in Win2k, and is not only playable, it's incomparably good. I still hate those assholes.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[somersault]

Team Fortress 2 was in development hell for 9 years. Not only did it live up to the expectations, it exceeded them. Pfft.. it didn't meet my expectations - I wasn't expecting a cartoony game. It probably is a lot of fun but I was looking forward to the realistic feel of the early TF2 screenshots (the ones on the original HL engine). I still intend to play it at some point but after having played Team Fortress for Quake, Quake 3 and Half-Life then I'm not expecting it to be much different. I did play it offline for a couple of minutes when the beta was out.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[somersault]

lol.. FPSes are FPSes, racing games are racing games, Tetris is Tetris.. pong is pong.. good old games are still good. Games have been getting more story driven and have more realistic physics/shiny graphics but that's about it.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[PMBjornerud]

They actually said what they've been doing in the video: hookers, cocaine and getting level 70 WoW characters. Exactly what I would expect of Duke's R&D staff.... Hookers and cocaine, sure. But what the hell were they doing playing WoW???

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[jewps]

I have the same feeling. Even till now, I haven't been able to finish it. Except that now I have hardware fast enough to run it at 1920x smoothly so it scares even more. Awesome.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Yvanhoe]

What ? Some people still expect something from it ?

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Hal_Porter]

It's one thing to have things teleporting into a room when you first arrive there (a la Doom 1), but it is entirely another thing to have some monster waiting in some tiny, undetectable compartment, ignoring you until you've walked past it exactly 7 times. The irrationality of such rubbish spoiled the immersion, and thus the game... Didn't Duke Nukem 3D spoof this with the monster in the toilet?

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[kaizokuace]

Hookers and cocaine, sure. But what the hell were they doing playing WoW???

Seriously, they shoulda been playing EVE online. wtf?!

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[RogueyWon]

That was me!

It's been almost a decade now, so I guess I can finally own up to it. I love a good trainwreck, so Daikatana made it onto my "must buy" list.

To be honest, it wasn't a desperately bad game. The demo, which was (quite sensibly) as much as most people played, highlighted a couple of bad levels from the worst of the four episodes. Ironically, I hear that this is the episode that Romero had the most direct personal input to. At times, it really was beyond parody. "NEED MORE FROGS!" "WE NEED LAME HEALING FRUIT!".

Once you got about halfway through the first episode, you got out of the hideous green swamps and started fighting proper enemies. The second and third episodes actually verged on "slightly better than mediocre" at times, with the melee combat (one of the game's original selling points, largely gutted by the time of release) being much better integrated. Overall, the game was seriously lacking compared with the big A-list fps titles around at the time, but was actually still better than most of the rubbish on the market at the time. Even the AI seemed to get marginally less annoying as the game went on.

I think there were two main factors that did for the game; the first was that its tortured development had created expectations that the final (ironically rushed) product could never live up to. The second was the (in)famous somethingawful review of the demo, which meant that anybody walking into a shop and actually buying the game was in for a world of embarrassment. I know that for me, it was an experience of toe-curlingly intense humiliation not matched until I decided to buy Dead or Alive: Xtreme Be... oh... wait... it's a few years yet until I can admit to that one.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[xtracto]

They actually said what they've been doing in the video: hookers, cocaine and getting level 70 WoW characters. Exactly what I would expect of Duke's R&D staff....
Yeah, in fact, forget the video game.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Hal_Porter]

MOO3 was the only game I've ever pre-ordered. Is that the cow game on the Wii?

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Hal_Porter]

They should announce they have hired John Romero to 'tighten up the graphics' and release a poster saying "Duke is gonna make you his bitch".

Then when it is released everyone will be surprised how little it sucks.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[hvm2hvm]

Exactly, what can you expect? The difference is huge between a game that was developed when 3D games were just starting and a game developed for the era where graphics is everything for most of the gamers. I think their main problem is pleasing the crowd expecting the same Duke Nukem ambience while also pleasing the ones that want realistic monsters and special effects. They probably changed the gameplay and storyline several times, apart from the problems with the engines and staff.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Haoie]

It's not so much the expectations.

It's been a joke for so long that it's impossible to take it seriously anymore.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[wwalker98]

MOO3 was the only game I've ever pre-ordered. Is that the cow game on the Wii? No, that game is called Mooz.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Goodl]

NO such thing as a 6800GTX ont GT, GS and Ultra

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[kklein]

Yeah, you're probably right. I probably was too much of a whiner expecting the game to be good, and I probably was too dumb to configure it properly.

Seriously, dude. Ask around. Almost no one finished that, because it was boring. It was stunningly beautiful, but it was BORING. Bad gameplay. I think I stopped about the time that I figured out that the way to get any power-up was to back into it, because the moment I took it, the wall behind me would open and something would come out.

In 1993, when I first played Doom, that was innovative and exciting gameplay.

Post Half-Life, that just doesn't cut it. Not even for a FPS.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[PopeRatzo]

and had copies of MOM, MOO, MOO2 and XCOM

I know MOO, MOO2 and XCOM, but will somebody please tell me what "MOM" is?

"Man on Man"?

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[PopeRatzo]

How about enjoying themselves off the profits from their first titles?

How much do you think they could have made off the first few Duke titles? You really think that could have supported a party lifestyle for a decade?

I'm doubtful.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[hatchet]

World war 4 themed FPS hasn't been done yet. (Of course, if Einstein was right about the weapons of WW4)

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[BPPG]

It doesn't matter if it will bomb. People won't figure that out untill after they play it. And, everyone will play it.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[PopeRatzo]

I still intend to play it at some point but after having played Team Fortress for Quake, Quake 3 and Half-Life then I'm not expecting it to be much different.

That's kind of how I thought until I actually played it during Steam's free weekend a few weeks ago.

TF2 is wicked fun and I plunked down my dough immediately.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[PopeRatzo]

It's like people sitting around anxiously awaiting the release of MS-DOS 7.0.

DOS 7 is coming out? When??

I've been waiting for it for ages.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Gazzonyx]

Or it could be an Epic Failure. Does anyone remember Diakatana? I think it had to sell 100,000 copies to break even or something. The reviews that I read for it were much less than favorable.

Sometimes you just have to accept that "it didn't come together", suck it up and either release it or scrap it. Especially when it comes to games; bit rot happens too quickly with todays technology. I mean, the production of DNF has covered what, three or four generations of both software and hardware?

That being said, I'll probably buy a copy either way. I don't really play FPS much any more (I've got a never played copy of FEAR sitting on the shelf from two years ago... hacking code and messing with Linux has become my hobby), but this game has nostalgic value to me since I played DN3D when I was a kid.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Futile Rhetoric]

Master of Magic.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Ornedan]

Master Of Magic
By Microprose. A lot of the things that changed between MOO and MOO2 came from MOM.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[SQLGuru]

Master of Magic. It was MOO but "all sparkly with magic". Actually, I never owned MOO, but I enjoyed MOM (but it was buggy). It's one of the games I kept my disks for just because I liked it that much.

Layne

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[somersault]

Yeah I got it as part of the gold pack or whatever it's called, just haven't made time to play it (same as I only ever played Portal during one lunch break so I haven't completed it :O ).

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[TheRaven64]

Quake was boring too. I completed Act 1, but never got more than a couple of levels into the subsequent ones after that because they were just dull. On the other hand, I spent hundreds of hours playing Team Fortress, QRally, QTank, Pain Keep and many other Quake mods. Id's strategy seems to be to sell a good engine and some good dev tools, and let others come up with fun games to play on top of them.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Fumus]

And how would you explain that Prey was somewhat successful?
Yes, DNF is a running joke of sorts, so more people know about it, but I doubt many younger players will care if it was in development for twelve years.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[zoefff]

It's a woman that tells you to 'get out of the basement and catch some sunlight' from the top of the stairs ;-)

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[FreonTrip]

DOS 7's been out for a long time, technically - it's the command interpreter for Windows 95 & 98. Other than supporting FAT32 and large quantities of RAM it's not much different, aside from its considerable size (around 90k, which necessitates creating custom boot disks all too frequently due to the 640k RAM issue). In fact, someone hacked the 98 COMMAND.COM to identify itself as MS-DOS 7.10, and I never had any issues upgrading an old DOS box to it at all. :) I believe Windows ME technically used MS-DOS 8.0, though I can't imagine they actually changed anything...

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Chandon Seldon]

Seriously, dude. Ask around. Almost no one finished that, because it was boring.

You've got to be careful making claims about "everyone" or "almost everyone".

I was running frequent LAN parties that would consistently get 10 - 15 people when Doom 3 came out. We didn't play any Doom 3 LAN parties (no 8/16 player multiplayer) but most of the attendees played it and enjoyed it.

So either my data is a weird statistical fluke or you're talking out of your ass.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[anss123]

I stumbled on a fan made patch for DOS MOO2 recently that fixes the annoying money bug. I was tempted to track down the Mac version simply for that bug, not any more :)

If MOO3 simply had been a polished MOO 2 it would have been great, however they instead went for some sort of realism - forgetting about the fun. The best part of MOO3 was the AARs some fans posted, almost made me like the game.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[CRiMSON]

You admit you haven't played? But state it never met your expectations... I call bs.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[somersault]

My expectations were a realistic look and more of a simulation type game, and they turned it into a cartoony styled game. I don't see how that is so hard to understand - it's simply not what I expected, so it doesn't meet my expectations.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Hal_Porter]

I used to sell 6800GTs remarked as GTXs.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Hal_Porter]

Overlord had sheep. And it rocked too, good sense of humour and the game play was unique. Unless you count Pikmin, but who does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overlord_(2007_video_game)

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Sitnalta]

That's like not wanting to go on a rollercoaster because it isn't realistic to an actual train ride.

Seriously, install it and play it. You'll quickly find realism to be overrated.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[DimGeo]

Then you haven't played through the entire Doom1, and you might be thinking of Serious Sam instead... Doom1 had its fair share of monsters locked in a tight compartment, and so did Doom2, too.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[somersault]

Yah I didn't say it wouldn't be fun, just it's not what I expected. I was heavily into my CS back then and I much prefer games where you can achieve one shot kills if you are skilled enough (there is always being a sniper in TF sure, but that's not exactly the same). I'm not a huge fan of games where you generally have to fire a bazillion bullets into someone to rack up a kill, but TF isn't really about the kills anyway.. so meh. I think the cartoony styling is pretty funky, but was just disappointed that it had replaced the original TF2. One of the best games that I've ever ever ever played was Operation Flashpoint, but the multiplayer on that was crap. Come to think of it, I should probably try one of those 'Battlefield whatever' games, did they ever make a current day one rather than Yet Another World War II game and that futuristic one?

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[kerohazel]

Relax, he's just "enhancing the truth". ;)

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[galoise]

no it didn't. not in the same sense at least.

doom and doom2 were full of monster in tight compartments that were usually secret areas that you had to find, and then the monster would attack.

doom3 had areas that were tehcnically impossible to find, with monster in them that would not come out until a completely obvious and arbitrary trigger spawned.

the difference should be clear now.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[ildon]

TF2 proved this argument wrong. A lot of people were waiting for TF2 for a long time. When it came, it was not the second coming, but it was a fun game, and has been quite successful despite the fact that it could have never lived up to the hype some people had for it, and the fact that it turned out to be extremely different from what people were expecting (based on the information released in 2001 about TF2, people expected something more like Battlefield 1942).

As long as DNF is a fun game, it can transcend the hype. It also doesn't hurt that TF2 and DNF were SO LONG in development that the vast majority of gamers now had never heard of either or only heard of them as joking references to being vaporware, and therefore those gamers do not have preconceived expectations to be disappointed in.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Yankovic]

What expectations? Any expectations that I've had have come, gone, come back, gone again, and been lost forever. Here's every review headline you'll ever see:

"We waited all these years, for this?"

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[ildon]

Actually specifically with TF2, the reason it's a good game is because they eschewed this war sim gameplay arms race, and went back to their classic arcade roots and made an actually fun game, instead of adding 50 vehicles and 120 mile wide levels with 30 gameplay modes each and 20 classes with 5 weapon loadouts.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Slime-dogg]

MOM was more like Civilization with a magic and tactical combat system bolted on than it was like MOO.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[SQLGuru]

That's why I liked it......I still have my Civ 1 disks, too.

Layne

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[kesuki]

"DNF cannot be completed Never. Because it will bomb."

No it can never be completed because it is one of the Seven Seals of the Apocalypse! http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/sbs777/prophecy/revbook/seals.html

"5 Rev. 6:9-11 'SOULS UNDER THE ALTAR' "Souls were heard crying for Duke Nukem Forever. They were told to wait for a while till a further engine rewrite took place." This seal reveals a further persecution of God's people, a persecution as intense as any which occurred in the past. Matt. 24:9-10
Luke 21:12-19

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[obarel]

Ah.... Shadow warrior...

But I never understood "Ancient Chinese Cigarette"...

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[fm6]

I don't see how a game that's running ten years behind schedule can have any expectations at all!

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[paganizer]

I figured the best thing I could say about MOO2 was that I've never even really thought about looking for mods for it; after they came out with the v1.31 patch it was damned near perfect. Curiosity has made me look around on occasion, and I was pretty surprised to see that the modder community has focused on the DOS version of the game instead of the win32 version; I would have never guessed that in advance. Apparently my solution to network play limitations on the win32 version, which was to set up a VPN, is just not something that was widely considered.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[Quinn_Inuit]

That's true enough. I downloaded some mods, but never bothered installing them. It's just a darn good game.

Re:DNF cannot be completed

[billcopc]

That's because MOO was Civilization in Space.

MOO2 & MOM were made by the same people and used the same engine.

Like fake boobs...

[porkmusket]

If I can play with em, they're real. I can't play DNF, so it's not.

Re:Like fake boobs...

[Anonymous Coward]

So, you implying that all boobs are fake?
I mean, this is slashdot and most of the people here have never played with real 3D boobs since being breastfed...

Re:Like fake boobs...

[Anonymous Coward]

The boobs are a lie.

Re:Like fake boobs...

[CodeMunch]

And I was a formula bottle baby :(

Re:Like fake boobs...

[IdahoEv]

+1 made of win!

A bit let down

[oskard]

Looks like another darkly lit space alien shooter based on the Doom engine. I've seen enough of that with Doom 3, Quake 4, and Prey.

Re:A bit let down

[BiggerBoat]

The engine is actually based on heavily modified Unreal/Unreal 2 tech.

Re:A bit let down

[urcreepyneighbor]

Prey At least that had Art Bell in it.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but the run-and-gun genre is just so damn... boring. Maybe I'm just too damn old.

See bad guy, shoot, run, see another bad guy, shoot, run....

Re:A bit let down

[0100010001010011]

At least until the next rewrite.

Re:A bit let down

[oskard]

From Wikipedia:

On September 9, 2004, GameSpot reported that Duke Nukem Forever had switched to the Doom 3 engine. Those screenshots from the Unreal 2 engine were ancient, release in 2001. They've gone through about 5 major renderer overhauls since then.

Re:A bit let down

[BiggerBoat]

From six months ago:

Question: what engine is it using? Not bashing at all, just curious.

Broussard: Unreal. I believe we branched off somewhere around the Unreal 2 time when they added static meshes. Since then we've redone the rendering 100% and it's a fully modern engine.

So Broussard says they're using the Unreal/Unreal 2 tech, but that they've redone the rendering 100%. Parse that as you will.
(From http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?story=50481)

Re:A bit let down

[russellh]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but the run-and-gun genre is just so damn... boring.

What if there were some type of platform, and maybe ladders..

Re:A bit let down

[zippthorne]

DN3D had a shrink ray. At one point you had to figure out that you could shoot the shrink ray at a mirror and it would bounce. Which was useful for shrinking *yourself* to get through the crack in the wall to the secret room.

It was so long ago, though, that I don't remember if that was actually *needed* to finish the game.

And of course, the "use the urinal to get some health" gimmick, as well as the "smash the urinal and drink the water to get more health" gimick.

Anyway, it was a decent, but not outstanding game, but it had lots of little gimicks and lines from Army of Darkness that made it pretty neat.

Doom, though, and the doom-offs, they've always been boring as hell.

Re:A bit let down

[Kjella]

See bad guy, shoot, run, see another bad guy, shoot, run.... Which describes an FPS about as well as "Move piece, wait, move piece, wait, move piece, wait..." describes chess. Even in a deathmatch you won't become very good just running around shooting at whatever happens to drop in your sight, and there's plenty game modes that require real cooperation. Try watching a good CTF team and you'll see they don't run around shooting at random any more than a chess player moves pieces at random.

Re:A bit let down

[Hawthorne01]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but the run-and-gun genre is just so damn... boring. Maybe I'm just too damn old.

See bad guy, shoot, run, see another bad guy, shoot, run...

That's why I switched to USPSA. Same thing, real guns. Puts the "shooting" back into first-person shooter.

Re:A bit let down

[DigitAl56K]

Looks like another darkly lit space alien shooter So.. kind of like Duke Nukem? ;)

Re:A bit let down

[Omestes]

I kind of miss it. I really dislike the modern "stealth shooter" cliche, I missing running into a room full of mods, and leaving a room full of blood, while not worrying about hiding behind a milk carton, and throwing stones to distract one guard at a time. There is enough damn games like this now. We should move back to the good old fashioned violence and gore fest.

Though I'd prefer a game I could play on a sub-$1k computer, that too is getting damn old.

Re:A bit let down

[urcreepyneighbor]

Well, shit! That looks fun and it has an application in the real world.

Re:A bit let down

[ConanG]

Who the hell spends $1k on a gaming pc? I just put together a gaming machine last week. 2.53 GHz core 2 duo, 8800GT, 2 GB 1066 DDR2 = $350. Processor, video card, and ram are the 3 most important components to a speedy system. Runs everything I throw at it with all the in-game settings maxed.

Re:A bit let down

[Omestes]

My old gaming PC fried about 4 years ago, so I'd be needing a PSU, a case, a new CD/DVD ROM (preferably W/RW), a new MoBo, etc... Bascialy starting from scratch I'm looking at $700+, depending on if I want to upgrade my old 23" CRT, or not. Probably higher if I want something not requiring upgrading in under 3 years.

To be honest I don't even know where to start anymore, once my PSU (thanks compUSA) fried my mobo/CPU I switched to a PowerBook to stop fiddling with stupid hardware problems, eventually getting a middle of the line Vista notebook, to avoid silly hardware issues. I'm contemplating a new gaming box now, but would be starting from scratch. My last gaming box was around 10 years old counting incremental upgrades.

Starting from scratch makes me realize why people prefer consoles these days. I can't get a decent computer (predicting 5 years of gaming) for under the price of a 360 or PS3. All I care about is being able to play Fallout 3, Spore, DNF (lol), the next iteration of UT (when it stops sucking so bad), and perhaps the next Elder Scrolls game.

Re:A bit let down

[-noefordeg-]

Runs everything I throw at it with all the in-game settings maxed. Maxed?
You forgot to mention that your screen is a 14" LCD at 800x600...

Re:A bit let down

[Hal_Porter]

That's why I switched to USPSA. Same thing, real guns. Puts the "shooting" back into first-person shooter. Your link is wrong. Should be

http://www.spreekillers.org/

CSK is a truly global sport.

Re:A bit let down

[PopeRatzo]

That's why I switched to USPSA [uspsa.org].

USPSA is for pussies.

You want real FPS fun? Join an urban street gang. It's like a combination of the best FPS and GTAIII, except the stakes are much much higher.

Only problem is, nobody wins.

Re:A bit let down

[Svartalf]

Quite a few people, actually. Let's do retail numbers on the system you're describing...

8800GT w/512 Mb DDR2 - $180
E7200 Core Duo @ 2.53 GHz - $139
OCZ Low-Latency DDR2 2Gb - $70

Okay, so far you're on the money there- $389 is close enough to that that I can believe rebates or sale prices (Always try to get the best deal, folks... ;-) ). But those critical parts you mention only take you so far. Without a good motherboard, power supply, and case, coupled with a suitable monitor do you have a "gaming rig".

Let's do those numbers, shall we?

Asus P5KE Motherboard - $160
Antec Solo Case - $100
Antec TruePower 500W -$120

Heh... And we've not even got to the HD, DVD, or display yet and we've pretty much doubled your stated amount and are sitting somewhere around $769 for that much and we're not even done with the rig.

If you've got parts lying around, your $350's a reasonable statement. If you don't, your gaming rig will not perform as well or last long without doing the other things I mention- scrimping on parts always has a cost associated with it. Doing that ends up rising the price to closer to $1000. Somewhere between 800-1100 before it's all said and done.

Re:A bit let down

[pdusen]

I have it on fairly good authority that Bioshock has no replay value.

From an interview with myself about 6 months ago (roughly when I finished the game...)

Hmm, I'm done. Ok, let's try starting over.... plane crashes... submarine, and... nope, I'm bored. *turns game off*

Re:A bit let down

[ldierk]

You don't need a 100$ case for gaming! The simple gray box does it. + I think we can assume that every ./er already has a DVD, HD and a decent monitor. So you maybe have to add the motherboard and the power supply (although I think a much cheaper one will do it) , but that's it.

Re:A bit let down

[steveo777]

The shrink ray wasn't needed to finish the game. DN3D had a lot of fun mechanics, but a puzzle game, it was not. If you want more of an adventure, play Duke Nukem' Time to Kill for PSOne. It's Tomb Raider with humor and pecks in stead of boobs. It's also a lot more fun.

Re:A bit let down

[BertieBaggio]

$350 *total*, for the whole system? Where did you get that from? I ask as I'm thinking of getting myself a new machine myself. Cheers.

Re:A bit let down

[krytor]

Maybe next they will transform the series into a MMORPG... Duke Nuke'em Forever-quest? Age of Duke? There will be a collectors edition, no doubt.

Re:A bit let down

[SatanicPuppy]

Motherboard: $80
CD/DVD: $50
HDD: $100
Case: $80
Soundcard: $70

That puts you well into the $700 dollar territory and only covers the stuff you HAVE to have, and not even monitor, keyboard, OS, etc. I'm about to pick up a new machine myself, and since I've managed to baby my old one since before PCI-E came along and SATA got cheap, I'm going to have to replace everything, and 1K is pretty reasonable if you want multiple HDDs, a motherboard that supports RAID, and DDR3 ram.

I figure if I put ~1,500 into it I'll be able to keep it solid and current for 5 years or so with only minimal investment.

Re:A bit let down

[krytor]

Don't forget a real "gamer" sound card (~$125) Otherwise we're talking something like on-board Realtek crap?

Re:A bit let down

[The Gaytriot]

Athlon 64 x2 5000+ black edition -$87

ASUS M2N-E AM2 ATX motherboard -$85

2 x 1Gb G.Skill DDR2 800mhz RAM -$45

Seagate Barracuda 250Gb SATA HDD -$60

RAIDMAX SMILODON w/ 500watt PS -$95

ECS 8800GT 512mb -$150

Tons of DVD + CD burners under $30

Total for the computer comes to $582, and this is BEFORE rebates. All items from newegg.com

You can go even cheaper and not get as nice of a computer, or you can also go cheaper and get crappy quality parts. But around $600 for a fairly high end computer is not bad.

Re:A bit let down

[Socguy]

Make friends with an addict.

I know a guy, he always has to have the latest and greatest... One time I brought him along to purchase a new hard drive because he always seemed to know what was the good stuff. Anyway, I followed his recommendation and I guess what I was buying was superior to what he had at the time (purchased about two months prior) because, as I was completing the transaction, I heard a noise. When I looked around, he was literally vibrating and he shouted: "I'll take two!" Then he proceeded to purchase a matched pair.

Ya, I don't really go to stores anymore. When I need to upgrade, I'm more than willing to be a couple months out of date especially if it keeps a buddy on the right side of the rent. I guess you could call me an enabler, but I'm a cheap bastard at heart.

Re:A bit let down

[BigJClark]

Exactly. Good FPS's involve superior positioning, and the element of surprise. I don't take anything away from games like unreal and quake, where players have to have lightning fast reflexes and the ability to dodge lots of fast projectiles :), but in my old age, I prefer the strategic games like CounterStrike.

vaporware until it's in my hands

[wizardforce]

Great, if we do actually get to see Duke Nukem forever for sure... in our hands... what will replace the ever popular Duke Nukem Forever vaporware meme? Spore?

Re:vaporware until it's in my hands

[crackp1pe]

We've always got HURD and WinFS.

Re:vaporware until it's in my hands

[Ngarrang]

The Optimus Keyboard. DB-backed file system in Windows. Cowboy Neal in the Land of the Lounge Lizards.

Re:vaporware until it's in my hands

[B3ryllium]

As a famous philosopher once said, Two out of three ain't bad.

Re:vaporware until it's in my hands

[flnca]

If they ever do a DB-backed file system in Windows, they better have a look at OS/400 beforehand. ;-)

Re:vaporware until it's in my hands

[Repton]

Don't forget to tag this article yearoflinuxonthedesktop!

Re:vaporware until it's in my hands

[Yvan256]

It's going to be a battle to the death between Spore and Starcraft II, at this point.

Re:vaporware until it's in my hands

[flnca]

yup.

Re:vaporware until it's in my hands

[budgenator]

yearoflinuxonthedesktop!
New years day was the Vista release date.

Re:vaporware until it's in my hands

[harry666t]

Oh, c'mon. Hurd actually runs real programs on real hardware, from a real live cd, or with crosshurd from a real debian system. You can boot it, touch it, taste it, crash it and help developing it. Sure, $X still has no drivers, $Y is unstable and $Z won't even compile, but calling Hurd vaporware is an exaggeration.

Re:vaporware until it's in my hands

[Hal_Porter]

Microsoft Bob The Search Doggie in Windows XP used technology leveraged from the Bob project.

Re:vaporware until it's in my hands

[pdusen]

Both of those two started development post-Warcraft 3. Where the hell do they get the vaporware label from?

Last time I checked

[Centurix]

My cubicle is a steady 23C, hell certainly hasn't frozen over yet.

Re:Last time I checked

[maliabu]

Mine is a steady 32C, I always wish she was 34D though.

Re:Last time I checked

[maxume]

Cut the cord man!

Re:Last time I checked

[p4ul13]

You work in hell? I never expected them to have internet down there.

Re:Last time I checked

[thatnerdguy]

Of course they have the Internet...where do you think all those old Geocities and Angelfire webpages went???

Re:Last time I checked

[FelixGordon]

I'll love my companion cube whatever size she is.. 3

Re:Last time I checked

[black_lbi]

You crazy french and your crazy units ...

well...

[The End Of Days]

I'm more impressed with Jace Hall than the game.

Re:well...

[PopeRatzo]

I'm more impressed with Jace Hall than the game.

You mean the bald guy? I wanted to kill him slowly just to watch him die.

Right up there...

[Monkey_Genius]

With Godot and the second coming.
I'm not waiting for either.

OK, I'll bite...

[mangu]

I suppose it will run on a Linux Desktop, right? And the online edition will run from a secure Windows server...

Re:OK, I'll bite...

[wizardforce]

I suppose it will run on a Linux Desktop, right? And the online edition will run from a secure Open Source Windows server...

There fixed that for you

Re:OK, I'll bite...

[setagllib]

ReactOS can already be used as a server. Well, if you own any of the 5 devices it supports.

Alright alright I'm just kidding.

3 devices.

Re:OK, I'll bite...

[Dolda2000]

No, the homepage says that it will run only on a GNU/Hurd desktop. Oh, and the Windows server edition will require WinFS.

decent

[stoolpigeon]

That was pretty funny. It beat the crap out of any video game 'show' that I can watch on cable. I'll definitely be checking this out in the future.

Re:decent

[jmorris42]

> That was pretty funny.

Wouldn't know. Appears to involve Windows only crap. I have Flash Player 9 on Linux, it said my version didn't support "Express Install" and that I should upgrade. Wonder what sort of spyware it was intending to sneak into my machine?

Re:decent

[spongman]

you need v. 115 or later

Re:decent

[Niten]

It played for me on Linux (with whatever version of Flash 9 is in the Ubuntu 8.04 repositories), but the video had a stupid "See more videos in HD!" overlay that wouldn't go away...

Re:decent

[Lisandro]

Works just peachy on both Opera/Firefox linux, using Flash v9.0.124.0

Re:decent

[SanityInAnarchy]

It actually plays perfectly well for me, but the performance is awful.

Does anyone have a downloadable version? Even FLV? Any player other than Flash would play it fine, even 720p, fullscreen.

Awww...

[commodoresloat]

And so soon after it made the list.

Re:Awww...

[Warll]

You do realize that its been on the list for years right?

Re:Awww...

[Bandman]

In fact, it's very possible that it's the reason for the list's raison d'Ãtre

Re:Awww...

[Warll]

Yeah although now that I think about it I was thinking about Wired's awards, from which Duke got a life time achievement award.

Re:Awww...

[Ethan Allison]

Ãf often replaces characters when it doesn't work for Slashdot's very outdated character encoding. Give the guy a break; it's probably the server.

Re:Awww...

[Ethan Allison]

It screwed up my A~. (Seriously, that's not a typo. Try it yourself. Firefox 2 on XP)

Better looking than the game.

[dollar99]

The bikini models are at 5:14 into the video. I'm not kidding.

Re:Better looking than the game.

[Max Romantschuk]

Only on Slashdot can this be modded as "Informative". :)

Re:Better looking than the game.

[leomekenkamp]

It would be a bit pathetic if it was modded 'Interesting'.

Re:Better looking than the game.

[slashdot.org]

The bikini models are at 5:14 into the video. I'm not kidding. But they do look better after you pass 4:20 :o)

DNF Gameplay revealed!

[cptnapalm]

Upon entering the final level, you realize that it all looks suspiciously familiar...

It is the first level!

The game is an infinite loop!

You have to play Duke Nukem forever!

Re:DNF Gameplay revealed!

[CoolGopher]

Damn, I'm going to be all out of bubble gum by then!

Re:DNF Gameplay revealed!

[Phanatic1a]

They hired Stephen King to do level design?

Re:DNF Gameplay revealed!

[AbRASiON]

That would actually be quite a funny joke to pop in to the game, if the final level seems like the first level - at least for the first 5 minutes of it.

Re:DNF Gameplay revealed!

[Anonymous Coward]

You guys never got the joke. DNF = Did Not Finish. It's a term used in track, swimming, etc.

Re:DNF Gameplay revealed!

[Anonymous Coward]

Thanks a lot, assclown. You just delayed the release by another five years.

Re:DNF Gameplay revealed!

[$RANDOMLUSER]

You have to play Duke Nukem forever!

You have to develop Duke Nukem forever!

Fixed that for you.

Re:DNF Gameplay revealed!

[budgenator]

My kids and wife started playing some "Dungeons and Dragons" type console game decades ago in a marathon tag-team fashion. After almost a week of 24 hr game play they got to the end and beat the game, The finally screen said " this was but a dream, return to the beginning and go forth dauntlessly" They were not amused.

Re:DNF Gameplay revealed!

[SanityInAnarchy]

Wouldn't be complete without a one-liner that sounds totally lame coming from me, but would rock in Jon St. John's voice:

"Shit. I'm gonna be here forever!"

Or something like that.

Re:DNF Gameplay revealed!

[harry666t]

And there are 19 levels.

(hmm... will someone get the joke? :P)

Re:DNF Gameplay revealed!

[DingerX]

It was John Carpenter, They Live, ripped off by DN3D.

Re:DNF Gameplay revealed!

[ed1park]

It does look familar. Like a Half life mod. Jumping little head-crab suckers and those giant worm thingies that come at you from the ceiling.

But if the multiplayer is as fun as the original (shrink ray, remote control bombs, holographic images, etc), this could be more fun than Gears.

Re:DNF Gameplay revealed!

[Socguy]

I like your ambition. A joke on /. relating to various types of non-hand related physical activity.

Re:DNF Gameplay revealed!

[tehcyder]

You guys never got the joke. DNF = Did Not Finish. It's a term used in track, swimming, etc

And you're surprised that most slashdot readers didn't get it?

Re:DNF Gameplay revealed!

[Haeleth]

Upon entering the final level, you realize that it all looks suspiciously familiar...

It's going to be a Halo clone?

"about 4:20 in"

[Anonymous Coward]

Just enough time to get yourself in a state where you can believe it!

Re:"about 4:20 in"

[Jarjarthejedi]

And it last just long enough to get you the slightest bit interested. What is it, 20 seconds of footage?

Damn swf video

[Stormwatch]

Why don't they use an actual VIDEO format for videos? Those swf-based players are hit and miss, and usually miss.

Re:Damn swf video

[Anonymous Coward]

Because they work on far more computers.

Re:Damn swf video

[Anonymous Coward]

To be honest, we had a meeting back in 1997 to figure out how to piss off a guy named stormwatch on something called slashdot in the year 2008. We came to the inevitable conclusion that we would have to first invent slashdot work with adobe to develop flash, waste years of development time on Duke nukem forever, then release a video in swf format and post a slashdot story with a link to it. Now all of years of hard work have paid off.

3D Relms

Re:Damn swf video

[Actually, I do RTFA]

Why don't they use an actual VIDEO format for videos? Those swf-based players are hit and miss, and usually miss.

Most swf-players play an FLV (either streaming or not). FLV uses H.264 or H.263 (in the recent incarnations). These are the latest and greates codecs. And Flash is less evil than quicktime or realplayer, the other common ways to stream video online.

Re:Damn swf video

[setagllib]

H.263 is probably older than you are. Look it up.

Re:Damn swf video

[Ethan Allison]

FLV is a video format.

Re:Damn swf video

[Nicolay77]

H.264 in FLV is only a couple months old. Before that Flash was just the most horrible video format used online. And it still is, for any site that is not using H.264. (Spoken like a true stage6.divx fan.)

I have seen some H.264 anime videos, and they were awesome.

That said, the player in crunchyroll.com supports buffering, and the one used in crackle.com, does not.

There's no standard at all in flash players. And that's awful.

The right way is having the VLC guys doing a video player plugin. Now that's the way to play video online.

Re:Damn swf video

[spongman]

the Jace Hall show, along with all the new content on crackle.com is show with pro equipment and encoded in H.264 - that's why we require a recent build of the flash player. if you have a fast internet connection you can watch the 2Mbps 720p H.264 stream. we think it's some of the best looking video on the web today.

Re:Damn swf video

[spoco2]

Um, because they HIT far, FAR more often than they miss, especially compared to all the other video formats.

And Flash has an insanely high penetration rate.

If your pc is screwed up and can't see it, don't blame them, blame you for not running a half decently configured pc.

Re:Damn swf video

[spoco2]

I have to agree, it is very nice looking video indeed, and as long as a video player buffers I'm all for it. (Any player that won't buffer while I pause is just not visited again).

Re:Damn swf video

[SanityInAnarchy]

Before that Flash was just the most horrible video format used online. And it still is, for any site that is not using H.264. Still is, period.

I still like YouTube for random browsing, but when I actually want decent quality, my favorite video site is Vimeo -- mostly because if you have an account (free), you can actually download videos. Not sure about the rest of them, but Wormtooth Nation in a 720p h.264 MOV was damned cool. (Still is -- final episode is Friday.)

Re:Damn swf video

[crhylove]

Well at least THAT is a reasonable explanation of what the hell is taking them so long.... How long have they allotted themselves for the next one? 25 years of dev time?

Re:Damn swf video

[rgbscan]

I have to agree with these other guys. Doesn't matter how nice the source is if you wrap it up in flash and require streaming. Any roadbump along the route causes unneeded stuttering and lag. Flash players are good for casual browsing, but nothing more. And most of the time it's a royal PITA.

Pros and Cons

[definate]

There are a few pros and cons to releasing Duke Nukem Forever.

When it is released, we will be able to play Duke Nukem Forever, which by this time, better be awesome!

However, after it is released we then lose a lot of Duke Nukem Forever jokes. We will have to put thought into what will take its place in Wired News's Vaporware Awards.

The post-Duke Nukem Forever released world, will be vastly different to what we know today... and that makes me scared.

Re:Pros and Cons

[Ogre840]

I'll laugh when they decide to hype this until the end as "Duke Nukem Forever" then change the name at release only so we can continue this wonderful meme. "DUKE NUKEN FOR... HA WE GOT YOU GOOD!"

Re:Pros and Cons

[Grimbleton]

Darkfall.

Re:Pros and Cons

[shoor]

Don't be so negative about a post-Duke Nukem Forever released world. As other posters have pointed out, we have other eternal vaporware items to continue to joke about. But if this becomes an eternal vaporware item that actually solidified, then, depending on how successful it is, it could provide new memes. It might even be inspirational.

Re:Pros and Cons

[RiotingPacifist]

I nominate winFS , its both MS bashing and vaporware.

Re:Pros and Cons

[budgenator]

As long as it has been in development, I think you should have said petrified rather than solidified.

Re:Pros and Cons

[kesuki]

"There are a few pros and cons to releasing Duke Nukem Forever."

i think 'the end of the world' is a pretty big con.

We all know that DNF has been delayed time and time again, but never canceled, because in truth it couldn't be released until the world was ripe to end.

Re:Pros and Cons

[r_jensen11]

There are a few pros and cons to releasing Duke Nukem Forever.

When it is released, we will be able to play Duke Nukem Forever, which by this time, better be awesome!

However, after it is released we then lose a lot of Duke Nukem Forever jokes. We will have to put thought into what will take its place in Wired News's Vaporware Awards.

The post-Duke Nukem Forever released world, will be vastly different to what we know today... and that makes me scared. Don't worry, we will always have the Phantom

was re: Prey

[Anonymous Coward]

Someone post a link to the video of them showing off Prey running on an MMX processor and a Voodoo 2 or whatever it was and saying it was nearly finished back before the announcement of Pentium 2s.
Then recall that they announced they were working on Prey before they announced they were working on Duke Nukem Forever... and that Prey only came out 18 months ago.

DNF Advertising Campaign

[Renderer of Evil]

"12 YEARS in the Making"

"Most Anticipated Game of Last 3 Generations."

"If You thought Duke Nukem 3D (1996) was good... then HOLD ON TO YOUR COCKS!"

This will be an amazing hit with people who went into coma a decade ago and the last thing they remember was playing Duke Nukem with their Voodoo 3 card.

Re:DNF Advertising Campaign

[Anonymous Coward]

Duke3d was software rendered, the voodoo 3 didnt even exist until nearly 4 years later.

Stop pretending you were allowed to touch daddys pc ;)

Re:DNF Advertising Campaign

[Shadow of Eternity]

I thought about replaying it recently. I don't have a serial mouse anymore but I do have a 5-pin buckling spring keyboard behind me >D

Re:DNF Advertising Campaign

[flnca]

Man, Duke 3D totally rocked!! I played entirely through it and cheated only on the end bosses. ;-)

What's great about Duke 3D is that you had more freedoms than in other shooters that came later: You could swim, fly, use water to heal yourself, move to any position on the map if you had the right gear (like jetpack, anti-poison boots, etc.). And the atmosphere of Duke 3D was absolutely unique. The humor!! Sometimes I was just sitting there, laughing.

Duke 3D was such a smart game. I've never seen one like it again. If Duke Nukem Forever is published, I'll definitely get it just to see what it's like.

Re:DNF Advertising Campaign

[flnca]

p.s.: The aliens of Duke 3D were also a class of their own. (ok, the aliens of Half Life also weren't bad) But you could literally sit there and think Waaah!! Aliens!! That was so cool! :-) (oh, and there were always multiple ways to complete a level, lots of hidden passages, rooms and stuff)

Re:DNF Advertising Campaign

[Rimbo]

Duke 3D predates the original 3dfx Voodoo card. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Re:DNF Advertising Campaign

[whatever3003]

Voodoo3? Lord no. I don't think duke was ever an accelerated game. An opengl patch came along I think, and then some higher res texture packs... from the site:

System Requirements

• 486DX2/66 with 8 megabytes of memory and VGA graphics. We STRONGLY recommend a good Pentium with 16Mb of memory and PCI local bus video.
• For the SVGA modes, a VESA compliant video card is required.

Re:DNF Advertising Campaign

[tm2b]

"Most Anticipated Game of Last 3 Generations."

How about, "Most Anticipated Game Since Daikatana"?

Re:DNF Advertising Campaign

[kvezach]

EDuke32?

Re:DNF Advertising Campaign

[sanosuke001]

Daddy's PC, maybe. Mine to tinker with? Absolutely. I was the one who bought our first CD-ROM, Sound Card, and yes, a Voodoo 3.

Re:DNF Advertising Campaign

[TheRaven64]

It was fun in multiplayer too. You could lay pipebomb traps, and if you weren't paying attention then someone would come and pick up the pipe bombs and throw them at you. You could put laser trip mines in the lifts, so people would explode when they came up if they didn't remember to look up. You could also use long laser beams to detonate the mines yourself when someone walked near them and thought they were clever for avoiding them. The shrink ray was great fun - if you got hit by it then you had to run away quickly before someone trod on you. Unlike Quake, swimming players in Duke3D actually looked like they were swimming. You could fly with the jetpack, get up to a high point, and then strafe people on the streets by - only to get hit by the shrink ray, which stopped your jetpack from working.

Re:DNF Advertising Campaign

[TheRaven64]

Yup. When it was released, my PC could run Quake in something like 400x300, but ran Duke3D at 800x600. When I upgraded to a VooDoo 2, I could play both at 800x600, but until then Duke looked better, in spite of only being 2.5D while Quake was full 3D.

Re:DNF Advertising Campaign

[flnca]

Yeah. The freezer and the RPG could also be a lot of fun! ;-)

Damn, I never tried the multiplayer mode.

Re:DNF Advertising Campaign

[TheRaven64]

The thing that killed multiplayer for us was that the UI was terrible. You had to run a text mode app on a DOS IPX network. Configuring an IPX network in DOS was a lot of effort to start with, and then you had to set up the game for the number of players who were going to join and they all had to hit start within a minute of each other or some would time out (and the game wouldn't start until everyone was ready). At later LAN parties, we just used TCP/IP, didn't bother with IPX (which was very hard to get to work with different DOS/Windows versions), and stopped playing Duke. Quake and QuakeWorld were designed with IP support, so we kept playing them.

Duke Nukem may live...

[Nim82]

...but what about the dopefish?

Maybe

[rlp]

Maybe. Just maybe it's real. Yeah, and maybe I'm a Chinese jet pilot.

Repent!

[JesseL]

The end times are near.

The release of DNF has been foretold as the final harbinger of the end times. When the Final Duke goes gold, the seventh seal shall be broken and all the gamers shall cry out and lament that their RAM is insufficient and their video cards unworthy.

Re:Repent!

[Jesrad]

So, it's to be released on 21st of December 2012 ? Preorder your copy today !

Re:Repent!

[Talinom]

When the Final Duke goes gold, the seventh seal shall be broken and all the gamers shall cry out and lament that their RAM is insufficient and their video cards unworthy.

Oh. It runs on the Crysis engine then. Got it.

Another console game

[SpacePunk]

On the Phantom, no less.

Re:Flash 9 required.

[Anonymous Coward]

There's no reason to apologize to us, we aren't the ones depriving ourselves by holding to some vacant principle.

Trailers

[TheLink]

Yeah. I mean look at TF2, they intentionally made it look cartoony.

Duke Nukem _is_ a cartoony character :). Making the graphics more realistic can be counter productive.

That said, trailers can be very deceptive, you might have just seen all the best parts and that's it.

A little bit of editing goes a long way, for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmkVWuP_sO0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T5_0AGdFic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekXxi9IKZSA

Re:Trailers

[regular_gonzalez]

Per GeorgeB himself:

This was a snippet from one level inside hoover dam, for a few mins. there are large outdoor environments, too, and tons of stuff not seen here. I wasn't even sure they were going to show game footage as the original deal was to just film jason playing the game, and a reaction. They cut in a few scenese [sic] here and there. Much much more to see and come.

Take it for what you will.

Re:Trailers

[wulfhere]

Those are the funniest things I've seen in a long time. Thanks!

Re:Trailers

[lukrop]

haha, the top gun recut was really nice :)

Re:Funding?

[cp.tar]

Maybe our interest cannot extend past the demo, because we've actually waited these 12 years.

I'm 25, so that means I was about 12 when DN3D was popular. Are you honestly saying that the 12-year-olds of today will not buy and play the game regardless of its development history?

Enough time has passed

[6350']

Oddly enough, a sufficient amount of time has passed to let the ghost of oldschool Duke Nukem fade away. The result is that, much in the same way that TF2 took so freaking long that the people originally looking forward to it grew up, got jobs, had kids, joined the Masons, and died - leaving a largely new batch of people who weren't that familiar with the original context the game arose from. So to with DNF, I suspect. Let's be honest here - the average 22 year old kid who sees a review of DNF on some game site in six months isnt going to have the 12 years of expectation and context that the rest of us might have. The result? I suspect DNF will actually do just fine. We all went from growing expectations over time, to mocking it, to effectively forgetting about it and moving on. DNF is now a game for a new wodge of users, who won't be all that familiar with its history. DNF has gone on long enough that, like TF2, the clock has actually kind of reset.

Re:Enough time has passed

[Xtravar]

Let's be honest here - the average 22 year old kid who sees a review of DNF on some game site in six months isnt going to have the 12 years of expectation and context that the rest of us might have. Actually, I'd venture that most Duke fans are in their 20s now, you insensitive clod! It was all the rage in junior high.

Re:Enough time has passed

[StreetStealth]

I remember buying the December 1999 issue of PC Gamer in high school, eagerly sifting through the feature story for plot and gameplay details and examining in awe the screenshots.

Now I've been through college and have been in the workforce for a couple years. While I don't play as many games now as I did then, I'm still no less the gamer; now I only play good ones. :)

And while the jaded adult in me says DNF will never even approach the rapturous wonder it held in high school, the excitable highschooler in me still hasn't given up on someday running out of gum.

Re:Enough time has passed

[martyFREEDOM]

I am 23, and I have been waiting for this since 1996. Shit I made maps for it when I was 12.

Re:Enough time has passed

[Killjoy_NL]

29 here, let's just hope it's released before I'm 30 ;)

Re:Enough time has passed

[TFer_Atvar]

Not really. Because DNF has become a grand in-joke and no community spreads in-jokes as well as computer/gamer nerds, even folks my little sibling's age (5 years old at DN3D release) are familiar with the story and jokes. If you're at all a part of the gaming community, you know the story.

Re:Enough time has passed

[bitrex]

The carpet in my apartment hasn't been replaced since 1977, I'm hoping that eventually fashion will come out the other side like Asteroids and worn down shag will again be all the rage.

Re:Enough time has passed

[slapys]

I am 22, and I played Duke Nukem 1 on my elementary school PC! And I definitely played Duke 3D in high school. The memories are there.

Re:Enough time has passed

[toxicity69]

I am 23, and I have been waiting for this since 1996. Shit I made maps for it when I was 12.

Same. At this point, even if DNF is just the same as the old Duke Nukem, its still a great game because the Duke Nukem theme is cool; and the old Duke game doesn't work on Vista, and barely on XP. So even if its the same, as long as it works, I can play a Duke Nukem multiplayer game with my friends again (hopefully it has multiplayer).

Re:Enough time has passed

[master_p]

35, but the moment this game is released, I am upgrading!!!

Re:Enough time has passed

[Gazzonyx]

DN3D fan here (as were all my friends), I'll be 24 next week.

Re:Enough time has passed

[gknoy]

I'm 30 -- so I was playing Duke3d around the time that I was in high school. While I never really liked the single player gameplay (it got old fast, as do most FPSs for me), it did have funny moments, and the multiplayer was just Damnably Fun.

It's good memories like that which will lead me to (probably ;)) buy DNF when it comes out. I miss being able to lay traps - literally - for my opponents, or play a game that actually has working bathrooms. (OK, Half Life 2 had some bathrooms, if I recall right.) ... of course, I'm also cynical enough that I don't think $50 is a good value for a game, though I'd buy it for $20 or even $25. When World of Warcraft costs me $14/month, I tend to view other game values as "how many months will I play this, x $15". (Exception: Portal. :))

Re:Funding?

[winphreak]

I was about 10 at the height of DN3D. I had it open the other day just as a timekill game, and forgot how enjoyable it was to search for an access card or just shoot the crap out of everything. Plus, if I recall correctly, there was a program called TEN that tried to allow internet play. Never toyed with it, but I can only imagine how fun that'd be.

Re:Finally!!

[budgenator]

Flying cars are on hold, if drivers can use turn signals in 2 dimensions, can you imagine the chaos in 3?

Bleh

[thetoadwarrior]

It looks like an amateur Doom 3 mod.

Re:Bleh

[joocemann]

It looks like an amateur Doom 3 mod. Yep, and I won't believe it until I see the damn game on a store shelf. The duke is a lie.

Re:Bleh

[mvonballmo]

Nah, it looks like a professionally-done Doom 3 mod.

The shrink gun is in !

[Cochonou]

Yeah !
That was about time we saw such a gun in another game than a sprite-based First Person Shooter.

No surprise

[greg1104]

If you want to simply skip right ahead, it's about 4:20 in

I'd wager there was a lot of 4:20 time influencing how long of a delay it's been for this title to be completed.

Re:No surprise

[crhylove]

No, no, they said cocaine. Trust me, weed is totally different.

If Duke Nukem Forver comes out...

[bitrex]

What will I be able use as a bonding topic at my 20th high school reunion?!

There was another game...

[SanityInAnarchy]

Delayed, over and over... Multiple trailers and gameplay videos shown, some with features that never made it into the actual game, most of which were just cool, and made you want the game now...

Original game was a bestseller, a genre-defining blockbuster, with the kind of ending that demands a sequel... Sequel came out ten years after the original, and was at least five years in development. I'd expect the anticipation would be at least as hard to match.

Can you guess?

Half-Life 2.

Oh, and they did it again, to a lesser extent, with Team Fortress 2.

Now, it's possible Duke Nukem Forever may never be released. Maybe it will be a Windows Vista, and suck so much that most people would rather play Duke Nukem 3D.

But I see no reason why it couldn't be released, and be every bit what we expect -- especially when most of us don't have expectations much higher than yours.

Re:There was another game...

[ildon]

"Lesser extent"? "Lesser extent"? Are you fucking retarded? TF2 was announced by Team Fortress Software as an expansion for Quake 2 before HL1 was even released. When they joined Valve, it was announced as an expansion for HL1, then a standalone title on the HL1. It was hyped with screenshots, gameplay trailers, and fucking AUDIO TRAILERS for almost 3 years and then total silence after January 2001. I'm pretty sure it even won best in show at E3 one of those years ('99 or '00 or something).

TF2 is the second most delayed and hyped up FPS after DNF. HL2 doesn't hold a fucking candle.

Add a download link!

[SanityInAnarchy]

I have fiber -- that's not the bottleneck.

The bottleneck is how pitifully slow Flash is at playing videos -- maybe it's just me, maybe it's just 64-bit Linux, but anytime I actually want to watch a video fullscreen, I look for an FLV download.

Since your streaming seems to require actual streaming, I can't seem to even use the Firebug trick -- so I had to watch it in a tiny chunk of a browser window, or watch it fullscreen in laaaggy HD.

So no, your video is absolutely horrible compared to Vimeo, which also has 720p h.264, but provides an un-DRM'd MOV download.

Re:Add a download link!

[Hal_Porter]

I have fiber -- that's not the bottleneck.

The bottleneck is how pitifully slow Flash is at playing videos -- maybe it's just me, maybe it's just 64-bit Linux, but anytime I actually want to watch a video fullscreen, I look for an FLV download.

Since your streaming seems to require actual streaming, I can't seem to even use the Firebug trick -- so I had to watch it in a tiny chunk of a browser window, or watch it fullscreen in laaaggy HD.

So no, your video is absolutely horrible compared to Vimeo, which also has 720p h.264, but provides an un-DRM'd MOV download. Funny, it played fine in Vista.

Re:Add a download link!

[SanityInAnarchy]

Good for Vista.

How about a slow net connection? It was interesting how it seemed to use absolutely no bandwidth when paused, but a steady stream while running -- probably actually streamed, rather than "progressive download" or whatever they're calling it.

The difference is, of course, that an actual download, or Flash in YouTube mode, will happily cache the entire file while paused. So, if your connection is slower (or just less consistent) than the video, you could still watch. Is that true for this video?

Re:What is..

[justinlee37]

Not that it'll ever come out, but the point is there

Please look into things before you run your mouth, the release date for Spore is September 8th, 2008, and it can already be pre-ordered on Direct2Drive.

Re:Funding?

[The Dobber]

The OPs point is, game development take funding. Funding come from an investor how believes that'll the recoup not only their investment but also profit from it.

In the case of D4, somebody has been going long on "whoop ass". I mean since D3 there have been a lost of investment options that could have netted you a substantial chuck of change. Heck, even if you just dumped it in the DOW you'd be up 10,000 points

Re:Flash 9 required.

[Hal_Porter]

When Adobe stormtroopers kick down your door and put a big metal cage labelled DRM around your GNU/Linux system you'll be the sorry one.

More 420

[8ball629]

And if you have had enough self-indulgent gaming-news patter, another reader says "If you want to simply skip right ahead, it's about 4:20 in."

Everyone knows that the next few hours post-420 are always full of theories, speculations and "what if"s.

If Slashdot begins to report these types of things as news, we're all in trouble.

Re:More 420

[Notquitecajun]

Begins? HAH. You're behind the curve - would half this stuff get posted if it WASN'T past-420?

Now *thats* a reason for delay I can accept!

[Qbertino]

"... We wanted to finish DNF, but on the other hand we also wanted Level 70 characters. Those are two important things you have to balance." *cut to WoW character screen*
LOL! Very funny indeed. But probably true aswell.

Re:Now *thats* a reason for delay I can accept!

[Socguy]

They make a very interesting argument for why we should ban game players from becoming game developers. Unless of course, DNF is released (at some point) and becomes the most insanely awesome game of all time. OTOH, it's refreshing to see a game developer show us what's truly important in this world, namely, playing some other companies game.

Re:Funding?

[ZeroExistenZ]

I was 15, playing it like mad, when I grew tired of it I discovered the development tools on the CD and just went crazy with it.
Hopefully they'll persist that tradition.
Playing the game back for nostalgic reasons wasn't as fun though, standards have greatly shifted also socially. (as a 15yo, the girls in DN3D were attentionworthy.)

Re:Funding?

[teknopurge]

Somewhere deep inside me there is a problem with 12-yr olds playing a game where you blow-up strippers with pipe bombs. Granted it's deep inside......Wait who are you again? Get of my lawn!!!

Re:Funding?

[teknopurge]

of == off

spelling nazis unite!

Inspiration

[phorm]

I believe they've decided to scrap the current version of DNF again, and rework it as an MMORPG...

The sad thing is, if they announced such today, I really wouldn't be surprised anymore.

Sure they have

[phorm]

Hey, a large portion of those here on slashdot *have* boobs. Big ones. Unfortunately those same individuals are male...

Re:Funding?

[Steauengeglase]

I didn't know it was being designed and marketed towards 12 year olds.

DNF is a VERY good acronym

[GameboyRMH]

In motorsports it means Did Not Finish!

Re:Funding?

[Missing_dc]

yada yada development tools yada yada a 15yo yada yada crazy with it yada yada girls in DN3D

You mean like reskinning the girls to be topless?

They said that about Team Fortress 2

[Fross]

after what, 8 years of waiting?

The best solution is don't meet/exceed expectations, but completely sidestep them. TF2 was so different from the uber-realism tack they'd initially started on, that it was judged primarily on its own merits when it eventually came out.

Wii can't watch newer Flash

[tepples]

the Jace Hall show, along with all the new content on crackle.com is show with pro equipment and encoded in H.264 - that's why we require a recent build of the flash player. But when will Nintendo, Opera, and Adobe get together to update Internet Channel, which still uses Flash 7?

Re:Wii can't watch newer Flash

[tepples]

it looks like it's only Nintendo to blame now. That's why home theater PC gaming is so important. Unlike Wii, a home theater PC has no lockout chip and therefore no wait for the hardware maker to approve new versions.

I'll give you my vapourware....

[vorlich]

when you take it away from my cold dead hands!

Re:Never gonna give you up, etc, etc

[pha7boy]

we all get rick rolled once or twice. It's just too bad it always happens when it comes to Duke Nukem. :D

Re:end title song for DNF

[SlowMovingTarget]

see parent, sing to the tune of "Still Alive"...