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Sharing 2,999 Songs, 199 Movies Is Safe In Germany
unassimilatible writes "Torrentfreak is reporting that German prosecutors will now only pursue larger-scale file sharers on the Internet, as they are tired of being the entertainment industry's profit collector. 'Prosecutors in a German state have announced they will refuse to entertain the majority of file-sharing lawsuits in [the] future. It appears that only commercial-scale copyright infringers will be pursued, with those sharing under 3,000 music tracks and 200 movies dropping under the prosecution radar.' And the money quote: 'It seems that the legal system in Germany has had enough of this "abuse" of the criminal law system for "civil" monetary gain.' If only an American politician would make this point. Why should taxpayers underwrite their government becoming enforcers for the entertainment industry? Then again, when you see how much politicians are being paid, an answer suggests itself."
Bush should break off diplomatic relations with such an evil country. That will show them ...
The RIAA is using civil suits.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
welcome our German overlords.
Wait, what?
What on Earth do those mean? When I click on them, I still don't see any relationship between the articles that've been tagged with them.
Beginning next month, copyright holders can just ask ISPs directly for the address of filesharers, so they don't need the public prosecutor anymore. Until then, having the public prosecutor investigate copyright infringement was the only way to get the name and address of the filesharer. No case was actually pursued. It was always just a vehicle to get the necessary information for a civil suit (actually just a way to get people to sign cease-and-desist declarations and pay up: The civil suit also rarely goes to court).
s/downloaded/shared
come on people, its about distributing, not obtaining, it's ALWAYS about sharing, NEVER about downloading. STOP SPREADING THEIR FUD FOR THEM! [/rant]
Modding Trolls +1 inciteful since 1999
Well, sure. Why should taxpayers underwrite their government becoming enforcers for car owners?
The opinions stated herein do not necessarily represent those of anybody at all. Deal with it.
Why should taxpayers underwrite their government becoming enforcers for the entertainment industry? Then again, when you see how much politicians are being paid, an answer suggests itself.
Because the entertainment industry claims that laws are broken. Having said that, it's more of a question about what's fair use and what's not.
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I hear a lot of deaf-mutes pirate MP3s and enjoy the beats which they can feel through the floor. The RIAA has just demanded that Gallaudet University hand over the names of students from IP addresses.
OTOH, it doesn't really take much to be up to 200 "movies".
A nice long running single TV series will get you to that point.
My current total is up to about 2200.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Courts and prosecutors already exercise wide latitude in deciding what to spend their time on.
Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
Germany is a federal state, comprised of multiple independent states with their own governments. According to TFA, this only counts for prosecutors from the Nort-Rhine Westphalia.
Come on. Learn a little something about the rest of the world.
Your argument would actually have merit if there were a private organization (say, the Vehicle Owner's Association of Germany or some such) that was filing suit against thousands upon thousands of individuals with at best flimsy evidence. Furthermore, if numbered among their victims were people that were bedridden, paralyzed, legless or otherwise physically unable to drive a car, and if they continued to pursue those cases when clear evidence was presented that the person in question could not possibly, under any conditions, be the perpetrator then yes, you might have a point.
Court time is a limited resource, and prosectors in Germany are making the point that it shouldn't be spent on hundreds or thousands of frivolous lawsuits. Not all crimes are the same, and some "crimes" have no business in court, particularly when they're only there as part of a multinational private-sector terror campaign having nothing to do with redress of grievance.
The Courts have better things to do.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
come on people, its about distributing, not obtaining, it's ALWAYS about sharing, NEVER about downloading.
If you're going to rant at least make it technically accurate. With torrent clients, almost always when downloading you are also sharing. They are in fact realistically equivalent for 99% of file sharers.
There's enough other FUD you don't have to be inaccurate.
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In other news, German prosecutors annnounced today that they will only be prosecuting auto thefts when more than 200 are committed, and car break-ins when 3000 are committed. "Our goal is to prevent organized crime", said their spokesperson, "we don't care about the occasional junkie or joy-rider."
Ok, I admit that the above paragraph is a bit down the slippery slope, but the point is that the slope exists. ...
Do you really think the police can afford to spend ten effective salary-years on every car theft investigation? No. They cannot. So they use artificial (and sometimes arbitrary) means to limit the resources put into each case. But when a 'ring of carjackers' aka: a group of professionals, or 'organized crime', you bet your bippie they pull out all the stops to try and bust it. Their response to the **AA is no further down the slope then they already have to go, as like it or not, their pool of resources is limited.
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You're comparing theft of actual property with making duplicates of intellectual property.
In the former case, you deprive the owner use of said property. In the latter, the owner still has the property.
The slippery slope is actually people like you making stupid analogies about this kind of thing, prompting ever more draconian laws and malicious prosecution.
I've already seen it:
This is akin to the local sheriff saying he will no longer prosecute muggings where the victim did not go to the hospital.
This equivocations seem to say that these people want *all* the laws enforced without any regard to a prioritizing by benefit to society.
The key they mentioned was "criminal law for monetary GAIN."
They are right in refusing to criminally prosecute citizens where no appreciable harm was incurred for the monetary enrichment of a single party. Its like watching a car speeding a little but otherwise safely and *NOT* pulling them over and giving them a ticket.
There isn't a single country in the world in which you would want all the laws enforced consistently.
part 1 and part 2. Beware, google translation ahead.
Maybe now they will concentrate on more worrying and damaging crimes of house breakers, muggers, and illegal immigration (incl. people trafficking).
Take Nobody's Word For It.
Apparently someone has never heard of prosecutorial discretion before. What you're whining about is something that prosecutors do every day and have done for centuries.
Its good to not be the errand boy of thr RIAA and others but 3K songs seems a might high..
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Yeah, when we shot or hanged all of the leaders, took all of the money from the banks, looted the museums and split the entire country in half for almost 50 years it was just a slap on the wrist.
Try not to take me more seriously than I take myself.
Full disclosure: I've never, TTBOMK, either sent or deliberately aquired any copyrighted work without proper consent. On the one occasion in which my copyrighted work was posted without my consent the poster - who had received a version withgout copyright notice attached - happily complied upon the first request.
Excellent, so you fall under the RIAA's "Senile Grandmother, Deaf-Mute, and the Unborn" clause. Your subpoena is in the mail.
Why does P so readily make the assumption that to make use of the net, you have to steal intellectual property?
Has it come to the point that for some people the primary purpose of the net is for theft - and if you aren't stealing you therefore must be in some manner disabled or non-fuctioning?
OTOH, it doesn't really take much to be up to 200 "movies".
No, but I doubt you can effectively actually send 200 movies concurrently. With a small minimum of effort each could keep say 150 "archive" vids and 30-40 "hot" vids shared which would let 30 people share 2200 vids with redunancy (2/movie) without anyone breaking any limits. Now instead take an actual hub of hundreds or thousands of people and 200 movies/person is practically no limit at all.
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Taken from office space - changed slightly for my point.
JOANNA
So you're stealing.
JOANNA
Ok. So you're gonna *get a lot of movies*, right?
AC
Yeah.
JOANNA
Ok. That's not yours?
AC
Well, it, it becomes ours.
JOANNA
How's that not stealing?
Ich bin ein Berliner. Or, at least my IP is.
My hard disk doesn't hold that much....!
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Yes, they do (and also their German version), but they need to get the names behind the IP addresses. So they start a criminal trial, ask the police for the IP data, then start their civil law suit and let the criminal case go to hell. That is exactly what this stuff is about. You should have RTFA.
It is common practice in germany not to persecute almost every petty crime like, let's say, shoplifting or the possesion of minor amounts of narcotics if it is a first-time offense. Depending on the scale of the offense either nothing will happen (you will receive a note the case was dropped cause of insignificane) or you will be slapped with a fine and a warning - the case will only go to court if you don't accept the fine and warning.
This a) keeps the number of people with a criminal record low and b) takes workload off the courts.
If you don't follow the GVU's (german RIAA) calculations, but keep in mind how much of a DVD's price actually is a copyright holder's profit, downloading a movie is more in the league of stealing a candy bar than a car, and that's even ignoring evidence that downloaders are more likely to go to the movies or buy CDs than non-downloading Joe Does, so treating a downloader like a shoplifter makes sense to me.
Additionally, the headline is misleading: The reported is only true for one state of germany - saying "sharing... is safe in germany" is like saying whatever Texan legislation would be valid in the whole U.S.
Amazing that the RIAA/MPAA don't "own" more of the laws in the US with their contribution record. Democrats: $11,163,030 Republicans: $2,104,737 I had always assumed the "Law and Order" party (Republicans) would be the major force and benefactor of the industry. I'm going to have to re-think my support based on these numbers. Five to one contribution rate over the GOP is a pretty telling statistic against the Democrats..
Organization? You must be joking..
Suprisingly informative for a German translation.
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Wouldn't it be the judicial branch v. legislative branch, not executive v. legislative? Executive branch has nothing to do with prosecutors, that would be more like the Mayor/Governor/President making the proclamation, not the prosecutor.
"most" german attorneys came to the "understanding" that they would follow those guidelines, because they want to stop
being abused.
No attorney is bound to this understanding, so there is no safe haven.
Some attorneys in germany are/were very vivid on supporting the entertainment industry. Most attorneys got tired of being abused as simple information providers, because the attorneys mostly setteled the criminal cases with a fine and no judgement or really no judgement.
This was because there was nearly no public interest in pursuing the cases, they just made it for their personal fun and not
within a gang, or simply that prosecutors would have needed to gather more information by raiding the peoples homes, and in germany a judge issues a search warrant mostly because of hard evidence - which a log isn't really.
Lately there was a case linked to "child porn thumbnails within a number of normal porn thumbs" one person who was searched
because of log entries. This guy attacked the search warrant later and the other judge decided that the search warrant was unlawfull the judge ordered that the police had to give the computer back - unsearched.
"gang - organized crime"
I must also issue a warning because if this filesharing is combined with an organization than most prosecutors will
investigate the case further, for example a piratebay.org can be seen as a criminal organization, because in germany
a link to copyrighted material is seen as copyright infrigenment.
"What happens in germany ?"
In germany when the entertainment industry got to know the identity of the filesharer, the industrys lawyer would issue a notice
to them, a bill and an aggreement.
the notice & the bill:
- you pay the lawyer (~500 €)
- you pay restitution ( just restitute the real value)
the aggreement:
- you aggree to stop distributing the copyright holders material
- in case of a breach you aggree to pay a fine round about 25.000 €
If you not accept this, the case can/will get to civil court, most people in germany as in the US pay
so this won't happend.
But the key point is that in a civil case guilt must be proven too, and the provableness of an IP + Identity must be questioned.
At the moment I don't know any case where this was tried, nor any civil case except those
based on commerical scale cases(further evidence through a raid etc.. ).
I guess German broadband speeds aren't as good as those in Japan or Finland.
At 60Mbps, you could keep 200 torrents running at better than 30KB/sec. That's only 7 hours to download a 2-hour movie at the normal size that most people use with MPEG-4 compression.
They came first for those who downloaded 3000 songs, and I didn't speak up because I didn't download any.
Then they came for those who downloaded 1000 songs, and I didn't speak up because I didn't download any.
Then they came for those who downloaded 100 songs, and I didn't speak up because I didn't download any.
Then they came for those who downloaded 1 song, and I didn't speak up because I didn't download any.
Then they came for me,
And everyone complained because I stopped seeding the torrents
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Yeah.... copyright infringement really doesn't fit the model of a quote about genocide that well. Especially when they seem to be moving in a direction of MORE lenience.
How are sites slashdotted when nobody reads TFAs?
No, he's making a point of the RIAA's tendency to dragnet sue people who don't even own a computer. Not sure if they have tried to due a fetus, but that could be just a matter of time.
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So if someone were to start a file sharing site, it could still be popular, but only have a retention of 2999 audio and 299 video files. This would be much like most usenet services, instead of days it is number of files. Where's the problem? Would number of users or traffic be considered?
you have a strange notion of the meaning of the word "fact."
Well, considering the article is only about one state in Germany, I wouldn't expect that any time soon. Also, once people started doing that in an organized fashion, the prosecutors would probably go after them anyway, since the damage would be above the threshold.
"In other news, German prosecutors annnounced today that they will only be prosecuting auto thefts when more than 200 are committed, and car break-ins when 3000 are committed. "Our goal is to prevent organized crime", said their spokesperson, "we don't care about the occasional junkie or joy-rider."
Perhaps not in Germany, but I have wondered about the status of all the cars burned in the south of France during the riots a few years ago. It seemed that French policy was that, as long as no one got seriously hurt, property destruction would be overlooked. While the policy seemed to "work" in that everything seemed to go back to normal with not dead French citizens, I can't help but ask what will happen during the *next* riots? How will the authorities react when houses start getting torched, or cars with people in them get burned?
Don't think it will happen? Look up "appeasement" in the encyclopedia.
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That's nice, but there's a reason why the slippery slope is a fallacy. And this is a pretty good example of why.
Copyright law isn't supposed to be enforced by the government, it's supposed to be enforced by the owner of the rights to the work. The limit to the government's responsibilities is ensuring that the verdict be enforce subject to appeal.
In the case of car break ins or thefts, that's a criminal matter, it's a property crime, and there's a very clear indication of who was hurt. Additionally, there's a risk associated with the behavior to the public at large.
To suggest that the two are in any way shape or form similar is to do a great disservice to legitimate law enforcement efforts.
Read here:
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/news/EkEVVpuFlApoyDjYJv.html
New law proposal - 3 strikes and you're out... nice.
Fuck off from our national laws!
Apples and oranges my friend, but, nice try.
In OS, the plan was to transfer money (sub-cent fractions) from the bank's customers into a central account and let them aggregate. Ignoring plot holes like simply editing the account balance, money in this system can only be in one account at a time. It can go to Peter & friends, the customers, the bank, or the void, but not to more than one at once.
File sharing is making clones, at near-zero cost of something that can very well exist in multiple places at once, without affecting its original owner's or creator's ability to use it.
Note: I understand why unauthorised sharing can be bad, and is immoral. I also see that we desperately need a new system of content distribution that takes into account the new model presented by P2P and customers being able to choose exactly what they want on their own and being able to make informed decisions without the need for a content cartel to tell them how to choose.
Defending IP by destroying access to it? That makes sense, RIAA/MPAA. Go to the corner until you can play nice!
Why? Bush should say something about how terrible it is, and do absolutely nothing. Let's face it - the entertainment industry is not exactly packed with Republicans these days. Republicans need to be about as friendly to the entertainment business as the entertainment business is to coal and nuclear. If the whole world and all of your allies want you to let your political enemies be driven out of business by too much copying, why should you really stop them? Come on liberals, copy away. The pen might be mightier than the sword, but its still a weakling compared to the greenback
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Then again, when you see how much politicians are being paid, an answer suggests itself.
The sad thing is how LITTLE it costs to buy a Senator or Congressman.
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At 60Mbps, you could keep 200 torrents running at better than 30KB/sec. That's only 7 hours to download a 2-hour movie at the normal size that most people use with MPEG-4 compression.
Uh. you got 60M*bits*/s compared to 30 kilo*bytes*/s, try more like under 4kB/s. And that's assuming you serve one peer for each torrent, which is extremely unlikely. if we say a modest 5 peers/torrent you're below 1kB/s.
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This is a great move. Hopefully the EU will keep out.
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Wait, what? I know you're quoting this, but, uh, what exactly are they going to "come after you" for if you're not downloading anything?
Your post is also kinda irrelevant, as this is a push upwards in numbers, not down.
In the movie, did they get rounded up/down? If so, one could argue that whenever it was less than .4 cents (therefore getting rounded down), it wouldn't actually be taking anything from the customer's themselves, as this money would have just vanished anyways, making this a strikingly similar analogy.
However, I was just trying to make a funny.
"In the U.S., copyright infringement is a civil matter, not a criminal one, although I think that may be different in Europe...?"
Not sure what you mean there. It's pretty well known that copyright violation carries both civil and criminal penalties in the US. You're correct that most people reading this would be liable for civil penalties at most, but it's misleading to state that there's no criminal copyright infringement in the US.
That's why you see that FBI warning before movies on DVDs -- yeah, I know that many DVD rips have this removed, but you've probably watched at least one legit DVD in the past. The stuff about imprisonment on the FBI warning card alludes to the criminal penalties allowed in the copyright code.
You can read about the criminal penalties here. It crosses the line at $1K worth of infringement in 180 days. A bit difficult to hit if you're trading MP3s; a little easier if it's DVDs. But give away two or three copies of PhotoShop to your friends in six months, and you're in criminal territory.
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Not sure what's offtopic about responding to an inaccurate post...
This reads like a Martian found a Thesaurus and a copy of English: the Journal of Literary Criticism and then got stoned on too much Dr. Pepper.
The entire point of communication is to transfer ideas. This is just a really bad attempt at that. It's like someone juggling chainsaws as an attempt to build a house.
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So, if I were in Germany, and I had three people living in my household, would that put the threshold at 9000/600? Seems only fair if you have to share an internet connection.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
In Germany it can be both. If the piracy has a commercial background, it can end up in criminal court. But for cases with few files and more on a personal scale, it is highly unlikely to end up there. A criminal case without significant damage often ends up being closed before going before a judge. Then there is the way to seek damages in civil court.
Why those simple cases get into the realm of a prosecutor is rather simple, you need a way to turn the captured IP addresses into a street address. And that is what the industry can't do, the rather strong privacy laws basically make it impossible for the industry to get that mapping legally (and it explains why they lobbied for a new law going into effect soon which is supposed to allow it, if the Bundesverfassungsgericht (German equivalent of the Supreme Court) doesn't stop that law). Currently they need a prosecutor who has that authority. Normally those cases are closed, but the street address is already in the files. Now the lawyer of the copyright holder can exercise his rights to see those files and so gets the address to sue before a civil court for damages. And that is, why that stuff ends up in the workload of prosecutors. And they started to define rules when they will close those cases right away.
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Ok, so you have this giant store of songs and movies but only one seeder. That's going to suck.
The real functionality of stuff like P2P ware and BT is that you have communities sharing these as needed. Single "server" type of distribution is fine only if you have boat loads of bandwidth and the facilities to keep it going 24/7.
I'm sure there are many who do keep it their stuff up all the time but your standard home connection doesn't handle scores of leachers too well.
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The RIAA is using civil suits.
In germany, the RIAA abuses the criminal courts to get the ID of file sharers. They file a criminal report on which the authorities have to act. Then they demand access to the records in order to obtain the identity of the "terrorist". Criminal charges are dropped in 99.9% of all cases, but the RIAA has the identity and files a civil suit.
On second thought, let's not go to Camelot. It is a silly place.
True, but if mods were fair they would give the original off-topic post an off-topic moderation before giving one to a response to the original off-topic post.
The RIAA is using civil suits.
Have you not familiarized yourself with the current criminal IP laws in the USA? The criminalization of intellectual property law - something heretofore dealt with in civil courts except in the most extreme circumstances - is a disturbing trend in the US in the last 10-12 years. And it's getting worse. Now there are bills in Congress to create IP police, akin to the DEA, whose sole job it is to enforce criminal IP laws at taxpayer expense. This is the role of law enforcement? To protect a single industry, merely because it throws money at Congress?
There's a helluva lot more than lawsuits going on, brother.
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They should be going after and nailing to the wall anybody who makes copyrighted material available FOR PROFIT, regardless of the number of files. They should leave people who are just to stupid to configure their file sharing software properly alone. My local library makes thousands of CDs and DVDs available for copying (physical media, not over the 'net)... shouldn't they be prosecuted under German law?
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
and I didn't speak up because I didn't download any.
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It is rather a pity that Bertolt Brecht passed on before encountering the geek in full rhetorical flight.
It takes a profound sense of the absurd to respond adequately to the geek's appropriation of Niemoeller and Gandhi.
The French police didn't do a lot, because if they don't catch the car-burning vandals red-handed, there is very little evidence to find and apprehend them, and the physical damage is covered by the insurance anyway.
So yeah, that's a perfectly valid set of priorities. And yes, they did send in reinforcements, including the riot police, to increase the chances of catching the vandals red-handed.
And next time you want to spout your racist bullshit, please have the balls to actually say that you're referring to the North African descended folks in the banlieues, instead of hiding behind weaselly codewords like 'appeasement'.
Mart
"I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
never fails. neither they have become the bitch of the industry like the ones in u.s., nor they have gone stupid while trying to lick the boots of the music cartels, but just went simple and efficient.
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I know it is not a pissing contest, but I am sure I am not the one who immediately checked out how many song sou have on your playlist/itunes/music drive/music folder/you name it. That is what is left after giving away 300 casettes, and losing my complete music collection once 7 years ago (moved to an other Country, and the trusted ones kinda screwed it up and gave all my cds away thinging they were just old crap ... crap )
I am not sharing these and of course I own them on CD/tape/vinyl/vhs/blueray/dvd, nintendo cartridges or zx 81 format C60 audio cassettes..... yeah ...
I think your average taxpayer is more likely to be a car owner than a copyright owner...
You are correct that you were modded inappropriately, but I think the reason is that there's no "-1 clearly has no sense of humor" mod.
Pointing out inaccuracies (especially ones that depend largely on perspective) in jokes just makes you look like a douche.
Try not to take me more seriously than I take myself.
Yeah, I can guess where you're going. Appeasement in the context of the riots in the banlieues has a very specific meaning, which is used by the right-wing crazies online. And you know that, but you prefer to use it in this vague way because you can then start playing passive-aggressive mindgames when called on your racism.
Fuck off to FFI, there you will at least get plenty of "me too" posts to bolster your fragile ego.
Mart
"I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
No, more like investigating every owner of every car "made available" as it is parked in a public street. The RIAA believes this is proof of illegal distribution of intellectual property. If I can drive through the streets (aka "the tubes") and take a picture of your parked car, you are clearly guilty of distributing intellectual property. Please make your settlement check available to the United States Independent Automobile Association of America. Our big 3 need the cash. Clearly sales of our cars are down due to piracy.
Now remove any identifying license plates in the submitted evidence, and if you are the owner of a specific model car parked anywhere on the street by anybody, you are liable. So keep sending in those checks.
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Seems a little ironic to me. English police confiscate a game that satirizes the so-called "War On Terror" while German officials hoist a middle finger at efforts of the recording industry to throw basic human rights away merely to forbid copying of largely-worthless material.
My English father fought against German fascism during WWII. Now it looks like fascists are running the show in England, while German prosecutors are hoisting the middle finger at those who unblushingly lobby to trade freedom for profit.
Times have sure changed.
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Actually you see you repeat an old canard yourself, in that you assume that the owners of a business are Republican. Quite often the contrary is true. After all, Obama is getting all that fundraising money from -somewhere-.
See, Republicans, with their free trade and previously open immigration policies, tend to invite competition and change and so many businesses actually would be opposed to change as they would prefer to be locked in.
That's why you see Democrats tending to lead the charge on IP legislation, although Republicans naturally go on board because the picture was dumbed down for us as a law and order thing although of course we know that's not true at all.
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I believe my math is right.
60Mbps = 7.5MB/sec = 7,324KB/sec
7,324 / 200 = 36.62
I said "better than 30KB/sec", and 36.62 is larger than 30.
Second, it doesn't matter how many peers I serve, because I'd still be adding 30KB/sec to the total swarm.
I find this post deliciously ironic
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