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Startup Threatened Into Settling Over Hyperlinking

An anonymous reader writes "A tiny startup that was threatened by a massive law firm over nothing more than a humble hyperlink has been forced to settle and change its linking policies, handing Goliath the win in this gratuitous trademark case. Under the agreement, real estate startup BlockShopper can no longer include hyperlinks anywhere on its website to Jones Day, a massive Chicago law firm, except explicitly on URL text. Essentially, jonesday.com is okay, but not blah blah blah." I wonder if the owners of jonesdaysucks.com feel the same way.

333 comments

  1. oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    1. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Let them know how you feel via their contact page at:

      JonesDay's Contact Us page

    2. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh man beware of JONES DAY. They are a bunch of litigious bastards.

    3. Re:oh yizzo by zappepcs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I get the feeling that they are soon to learn about what is called The Streisand Effect - You know, it's where you fuck up on the Internet and the entire fucking Internet takes a moment to let you know about it.... lol

    4. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh man beware of JONES DAY. They are a bunch of litigious bastards.

      I too have heard that JONES DAY of jonesday.com are bunch of litigious bastards.

    5. Re:oh yizzo by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wonder if they have a proper license for all their software... I bet the BSA would like to know, too!

      --
      Do you even lift?

      These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

    6. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems they don't really want to be contacted any more the "Contact Us" link doesn't work :-(
      How rude.

    7. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I get the feeling that they are soon to learn about what is called The Streisand Effect - You know, it's where you fuck up on the Internet and the entire fucking Internet
      takes a moment to let you know about it.... lol

      Too bad slashdot has so many annoying filters or else I wouldn't have to type these additional comments to bypass them.

                                                                             

    8. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Litigious bastards you say? Are they really litigious bastards or are they litigious bastards , or perhaps litigious bastards ?

      I'm not sure, but they certainly are litigious bastards of some sort.

    9. Re:oh yizzo by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Streisand Effect isn't so much that one fucks up on the Internet (people do that all the time), but that one fucks with the Internet. Which then proceeds to try a hundred times harder at doing whatever you didn't want it to do.

      Do not taunt happy fun Internet.

    10. Re:oh yizzo by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Really? You think they're a bunch of litigous bastards? I wouldn't say that... maybe just a bunch of assholes with too much clout in the legal system, and not enough in the real world.

    11. Re:oh yizzo by pallmall1 · · Score: 1

      oh man beware of JONES DAY

      Don't forget about the scum-sucking sack-of-shit judge John Darra.

      --
      3 things about computers: they're alive, they're self-aware, and they hate your guts.
    12. Re:oh yizzo by c1t1z3nk41n3 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Do not taunt happy fun Internet. If the internet is a game: You win.

    13. Re:oh yizzo by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Ha! I just came from my mailer......... I let them know EXACTLY how I feel. And, maybe they will forward my email to the "ignorant buffoon" who served as the judge in the case, as well. ;)

      --
      "Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
    14. Re:oh yizzo by Sun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Possibly this is just an exercise in reverse psychology:

      1. Threaten and win a frivolous law suite concerning not linking to your site, thus activating the Streisand Effect.
      2. Prominent high ranking site Slashdot starts filling an article with links to you, thus upping your page rank
      3. Profit

      Shachar

    15. Re:oh yizzo by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      At least you didn't link to gay porn or child porn or beastiality or golden showers or shit-eaters or goatse.cx or any crude stuff like that...

      --
      -1 Uncomfortable Truth
    16. Re:oh yizzo by HeLLFiRe1151 · · Score: 1

      That's just good ole Illinois, the entire state is corrupt to the bone.

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      I've got 101 mod points and you can't have them!
    17. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      emails on every page, for example http://www.jonesday.com/pdvogl/

      Peter D. Vogl, Scum sucking bastard

      Asshole, Partner, and Litigious Bastard
      New York
      Tel: 1.212.326.3659
      Fax: 1.212.755.7306
      Email: pdvogl@jonesday.com

      Profile | Experience | Publications | Speaking Engagements

      Peter Vogl, Asshole, is the practice coordinator for the Firm's trademark practice. Peter represents clients in trademark, false advertising, anticounterfeiting, copyright, anticybersquatting, and trade secrets litigation before state and federal courts, as well as in proceedings before the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board. His practice specializes in fucking over the little guy and abusing trademark and domain name laws, counseling and portfolio management on behalf of multinational and domestic consumer products and services companies in the sports equipment, beverage, cosmetics, pharmaceutical, medical device, personal care, apparel, games/toys, financial services, and chemical products fields. In addition, he has assisted clients with trademark and copyright audits, securitizations, acquisitions, and divestitures of substantial intellectual property portfolios.

    18. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Yeah, or niggers, or cunts, or spics, or niggers, or bush did 9/11, or niggers, or 2 girls 1 cup, or 2 guys 1 horse, or on.nimp.org, or niggers, or bdsm free porno, orxnxx.com, orsuicide hotline, orniggers, orslashdot, or or any crude offending stuff like that...

    19. Re:oh yizzo by Epistax · · Score: 4, Funny

      You mean their contact page at this poop website about poop and nothing but poop.

    20. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fingers crossed their webmaster might soon know about the Slashdot Effect too..... :-)

    21. Re:oh yizzo by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      4. Bunch of idiot lawyers underestimate this "bandwidth" thing and their server gets hammered so hard that it changes its network name to "JAMES_HETFIELD".

    22. Re:oh yizzo by binaryseraph · · Score: 1

      In Russian Internet, there is no Streisand Effect, there is only Marxist Effect.

      Oh wait. uh.. hmmm..

    23. Re:oh yizzo by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      chances that a law firm can't pay massive bandwidth fees for a few days: zero

      --
      "Old man yells at systemd"
    24. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      law firm problem
      Not just a bunch of links to the engine...
      lawyer error bad experience text to help search engines I would not recommend
      bad lawyers lawyer spam

    25. Re:oh yizzo by Ezel · · Score: 1

      Ok. I know I'm stupid but this is a good thread to ask anyway.
      HOW do I do this on slashdot?
      When ever I post a comment on slashdot the little helper-window below talks about how to auto-link URLs but it doesn't say how to auto-link it with text. . When I use the format mentioned in the help i get this:
      http://slashdot.org/ where the url appears in the text itself. If I want to link a word or phrase like "Click here!" to the site then I have no clue.

      I've even mailed the slashdot-admins about it but havn't got an answer. . . I'd REAAALLY liked the helper-window below to add some instructions about this. :-(

      --
      Prosp long and liver.
    26. Re:oh yizzo by MrNaz · · Score: 3, Funny

      Come now. Seriously. "In Soviet Russia, Streissand affects you!"

      Was it that hard?

      --
      I hate printers.
    27. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder how many messages they get just saying "Hi," and nothing else.

      After that, I hit enter and the form submitted instead of giving me a new line.

    28. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I made a little shell-oneliner that might be useful:

      egrep '^\w{3,6}$' /usr/share/dict/words | while read q; do wget --spider http://jonesday.com/search/Search.aspx?qu=$q; done

      (remove any [jonesday.com] that slashdot might add after the URL, after the '$q' and before the semicolon)

      If they start blocking wget, you can add another user agent string with "-U ", and if they block robots, add '-erobots=off'. If they block your IP, tough luck.

      Posted anonymous for obvious reasons... ;)

    29. Re:oh yizzo by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Chances that a law firm has competent people on staff - who would advise them on the folly of doing something like this, and didn't (therefor they probably don't) - who can get the site back up in a reasonable amount of time: so-so.

      Paying the bandwidth bill is small compared to the losses and reputation hit from the site being down.

    30. Re:oh yizzo by Macthorpe · · Score: 2, Informative

      Formatting is thus:

      <a href="http://INSERT.URL.HERE">Insert text here</a>

      The above example appears like this:

      Insert text here

      --
      "It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." - Tolkien
    31. Re:oh yizzo by Petrushka · · Score: 1

      Really? You think they're a bunch of litigous bastards? I wouldn't say that... maybe just a bunch of assholes with too much clout in the legal system, and not enough in the real world.

      Now now, I'm sure not all of them are assholes. It may well be that some of them are merely incompetent, stupid, or idiots. You know the saying about never ascribing to malice what can be put down to stupidity ... anyway, it would be simply false to accuse them of being malicious or immoral, let alone to suggest that they were associated with things like malpractice, frivolous lawsuits, or being disbarred. Because that would clearly be a lie.

    32. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent AboutToBeSued.
      Oh hell, who am i kidding?

      But seriously, they just made enemies.
      When you screw with the Internet, it will bite you back, 9001 times as bad.
      It will only be a matter of time...

    33. Re:oh yizzo by LingNoi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not really, every link to them on slashdot has [jonesday.com] next to it which is what they wanted from the website they sued. Perhaps if slashdot changed the site so that [jonesday.com] didn't appear.. maybe..

    34. Re:oh yizzo by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Illinois?

      Again?

      Jeez. I used to think the U.S. would be better-off without California, but now I'm changing my opinion to getting rid of Illinois. Bad governor. Bad senator. They want gun owners to buy 1 million dollar life insurance policies, or else not be allowed to have a gun (funny, I can't find that restriction in the constitution). And now they have shithead lawyers trying to censor websites' hyperlinking. What's next? Illinois going to try to extract sales tax out of foreign residents??? (reference: NY and WI)

      --
      "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
    35. Re:oh yizzo by Secret+Agent+X23 · · Score: 1

      The Streisand Effect generates unwanted attention. I'm not convinced that this publicity is unwanted. TFA points out that the settlement turns the links into ads for the law firm without doing anything to resolve the issue they actually complained about.

    36. Re:oh yizzo by PhreakOfTime · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Im surprised that blockshopper settled out of court here.

      I had a similar experience, with regard to unpaid domains from a place I was doing contract work for.

      When the bills went unpaid, I posted a link to the county courthouse that listed all the current and pending cases said company had against it.

      Almost a year later, I got what is best known as a "Cease and Desist" letter in the mail from an attorney. The letter claimed all sorts of things, that I was knowingly committing libel, along with trademark and copyright violations as well. The threats included if I did not comply were restraining orders, fines, and CRIMINAL charges being filed against me.

      So what did I do? I never responded to the letter, and I posted the letter on my website, for all to read. So now, something that had about 1-2 hits a month, went up to being seen by 10,000+ people. And the lawyer who attached himself to this attempt, is forever associated with it.

      You can read the incompetent attempt at a Cease and Desist Letter here. The company who felt this was an ethical approach was Caton Commercial

      And now, one year later, I have not heard a single response to that letter. Although, in all honesty I wish that I could have gone into a court room, and heard the lawyer who wrote that letter try to explain his case to a judge that the county was publishing libelous information by posting the schedule of its own cases online publicly.

    37. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Insert text here

      It's already slashdotted...!

    38. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's too bad that some crappy law firm can intimidate others into giving up control of their own web site.

      I hope that Jones Day gets such bad press from this that no one wants to use their services, and they have to make a living by representing pedophiles like Michael Jackson.

    39. Re:oh yizzo by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Im surprised that blockshopper settled out of court here. I had a similar experience, with regard to unpaid domains from a place I was doing contract work for. When the bills went unpaid, I posted a link to the county courthouse that listed all the current and pending cases said company had against it. Almost a year later, I got what is best known as a "Cease and Desist" letter in the mail from an attorney. The letter claimed all sorts of things, that I was knowingly committing libel, along with trademark and copyright violations as well. The threats included if I did not comply were restraining orders, fines, and CRIMINAL charges being filed against me. So what did I do? I never responded to the letter, and I posted the letter on my website, for all to read. So now, something that had about 1-2 hits a month, went up to being seen by 10,000+ people. And the lawyer who attached himself to this attempt, is forever associated with it. You can read the incompetent attempt at a Cease and Desist Letter [demystify.info] here. The company who felt this was an ethical approach was Caton Commercial [willcounty...tcourt.com] And now, one year later, I have not heard a single response to that letter. Although, in all honesty I wish that I could have gone into a court room, and heard the lawyer who wrote that letter try to explain his case to a judge that the county was publishing libelous information by posting the schedule of its own cases online publicly.

      You did what people need to do in this society... fight back against the bullies. If you don't, the freedoms we have in our society will be gone in the blink of an eye.

      --
      Ray Beckerman +5 Insightful
    40. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I just couldn't resist sending a message through their contact page with every field being asshole; even the telephone number being 555asshole. I assert that the comments were a parody of the assholes@jonesday.com and therefore protected.

    41. Re:oh yizzo by cj5 · · Score: 0

      Nice! =)

    42. Re:oh yizzo by kimvette · · Score: 1

      In the immortal words of Forrest Gump, "Stupid is as stupid does".

      --
      The Christian Right is Neither (Christian nor right). See: Matthew 23, Matthew 25, Ezekiel 16:48-50
    43. Re:oh yizzo by kimvette · · Score: 1

      They want gun owners to buy 1 million dollar life insurance policies, or else not be allowed to have a gun (funny, I can't find that restriction in the constitution).

      Very few politicians and police officers understand the phrase "shall not be infringed"

      --
      The Christian Right is Neither (Christian nor right). See: Matthew 23, Matthew 25, Ezekiel 16:48-50
    44. Re:oh yizzo by PhreakOfTime · · Score: 1

      Thank You.

      I will be honest. I was scared when I first opened the letter, but I suppose that is a natural reaction to being threatened. That knowledge didnt take the fear away though.

      But you are right, there was a stronger feeling, that beat out the fear. Even though I felt quite alone on it.

      Again, thank you

    45. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Hey... I was moderately amused/inspired by the first instance of this post. However, this is like the 20th damned time I've seen you post some variant of this story. Give it up already, get on w/ your life, and do like the "sorehands.com" dude did and post a link to your big life triumph in your sig, as opposed to wasting another whole post with it.

      The first time I read your story, you had my sympathies and support, and your nemesis had my contempt. Today you now come across as obsessive and I have to wonder what your motives truly are.

    46. Re:oh yizzo by qubezz · · Score: 1

      Even more laughable, the original blockshopper listing for the property bought by senior associate Konrad A. Salaber for $455,000 now just hyperlinks to another site with the same information about the associate.

      If we were really curious, we could hyperlink to what knives this associate's new bride Ewelina owns, but providing the public with organized access to information freely available on the internet might get you sued (?). Fortunately, weddingchannel.com isn't going to be suing slashdot anytime soon...

    47. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      perhaps you dont understand how search engines work.

      Here's a life lesson; if you dont understand the reason someone is talking or posting, you probably arent the intended audience.

    48. Re:oh yizzo by Viridae · · Score: 1

      I informed them that they failed at the internet.

    49. Re:oh yizzo by PhreakOfTime · · Score: 1

      Feel free to question my motives. Thats a good quality to have. However, there are people other than you on the internet who have not read it. Perphas you should use the already existing filters on slashdot to block my posts, if you feel so bothered by reading this.

      However, when cases like this stop happening, you can rest assured I will not post the story any longer. Maybe you should be paying more attention to the amount of stories that come up that are similar to this, instead of focusing on my possible personality flaws.

      To me, its worth spreading the word on, as I feel on a personal level, that it is something I need to fight against.

    50. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chances that Jones Days' web presence is hosted at the LexisNexis data center and can therefore take any slashdot effect? 100%

    51. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are pretty much gone. Basically to fight back in this case meant getting another Judge/Prosecutor wearing robes. AmericasRevolution++

    52. Re:oh yizzo by zobier · · Score: 1

      Would be even funnier to do the reverse of that. How many times have you seen executive types google a domain name to get to the site.

      (Imagine the interesting pages of results they could be presented with.)

      --
      Me lost me cookie at the disco.
    53. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The more I think about this, the more I think this is a great idea.
      I mean, the target audience for jonesday isn't going to be googling "goatse".
      But just imagine:

      1. Opens browser window (homepage set to Google)
      2. Enters jonesday.com <enter>
      3. ...
      4. Profit!

      Let the Reverse Google Bombing(TM) begin!!1

    54. Re:oh yizzo by Ezel · · Score: 1

      Thanks! So it seems one uses html-code and not some pseudo-code like the URL-stuff that slashdot suggests.

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      Prosp long and liver.
    55. Re:oh yizzo by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 1

      Just a thought. When you use the recently introduced Google option of promoting or deleting a result, does it affect the page rankings?

      In any case I just googled up "jonesday" and deleted every result on the page that pointed to their site. I wonder what other queries also return their site... ;)

      --
      No, your children are not the special ones. Nor are your pets.
    56. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      still not slash dotted. slow nerd day's?

    57. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    58. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    59. Re:oh yizzo by overlordofmu · · Score: 1

      Thank you! That was worth it. Very funny. +5 funny indeed!

    60. Re:oh yizzo by demonrob · · Score: 1

      I hadn't read it. But now I've read it enough.

    61. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm wondering how we could let Google auto complete every jones day query with "sucks" at the end.. any google geniuses who know how?

    62. Re:oh yizzo by everflow · · Score: 1

      I just tried that ... didn't had the chance to write much because the form commits if you press return in the comment-textfield ... losers.

    63. Re:oh yizzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  2. All those lawyers... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...and not one memo to a tech guy for a technological solution? I mean, if you don't like a site deep-linking into your own, isn't it a trivial one-line change to the server setup to block referrers?

    1. Re:All those lawyers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When the only tool you have is a hammer...

    2. Re:All those lawyers... by jo42 · · Score: 1

      Every time you see the word "lawyers" replace it with "highly educated idiots".
      This will explain everything and most of what is wrong with the world.

    3. Re:All those lawyers... by Sethumme · · Score: 4, Informative

      Their goal wasn't to stop referrals; the assumption is that their goal was to harass a website that was posting undesirable (but public) information about one of partners of the law firm.

    4. Re:All those lawyers... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      This will explain everything and most of what is wrong with the world.

      You forgot the politicians. Sure, lots of politicians are lawyers, but you're leaving some of those folks out. Just being a bit pedantic.

      --
      Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
    5. Re:All those lawyers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their goal wasn't to stop referrals; their goal was to harass a website that was posting undesirable (but public) information about one of partners of the law firm.

      FTFY

      O yeah, and Idiots! Yes I mean you. Yes you.

    6. Re:All those lawyers... by blantonl · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ..then you are bound to hit your finger.

      --
      Lindsay Blanton
      RadioReference.com
    7. Re:All those lawyers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...then you're bound to sue somebody. After all, what else can you do, when the only tool you have is yourself?

    8. Re:All those lawyers... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      ...you're about to drive a nail between your own eyes and complete a self lobotomy.

      --
      Om, nomnomnom...
    9. Re:All those lawyers... by NovaHorizon · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure about that. Based on the settlement style they accepted, and that they went with trademark infringement, I'd say They wanted it noted that the bio linked to was not someone high up in the company, and that the link was going to their website at a glance. silly idea for us, but I can actually see confusion by people who are not computer literate. I say that because I've worked with people who can't distinguish their computer from their browser (as many here have) and I really don't think those people would be able to tell the difference without such an obvious setup.

      I don't get the impression of "don't link to our employee bios on your site" as much as "make sure people know it's OUR site they will be looking at"

    10. Re:All those lawyers... by rhizome · · Score: 1

      I mean, if you don't like a site deep-linking into your own, isn't it a trivial one-line change to the server setup to block referrers?

      Think about it even more: was this even a real startup? Who is this kid? Could it possibly be a shill case to establish some kind of precedent so that Jones Day can start shaking down other small companies in an economic downturn?

      Perish the thought. This is Jones Day we're talking about.

      --
      When I was a kid, we only had one Darth.
    11. Re:All those lawyers... by deniable · · Score: 1

      ... every customer thinks he's the Messiah.

      Probably going to burn in hell for that one.

    12. Re:All those lawyers... by deniable · · Score: 1

      You also need to remember that lawyers grow up to be judges.

    13. Re:All those lawyers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would there be undesirable information about one of the partners in a real estate website? This does not quite add up, so to speak, unless there are unmoderated discussions about "the real estate" in the website. Then again, what would a hyperlink ban accomplish if google could take the address from a webpage anyway?

    14. Re:All those lawyers... by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      ...Then you're boned, because the national housing market has collapsed, so you'd better find something to do to look busy.

      --
      It's been a long time.
    15. Re:All those lawyers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually, I'd have said - "When you ARE a tool..."

    16. Re:All those lawyers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...when the only tool you have is yourself?

      Mod parent insightful!

    17. Re:All those lawyers... by Rastan_B2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      burma shave

  3. Cue the Streisand effect in 3...2...1... by tekiegreg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This whole blah blah blah linking scandal is just so blah blah blah stupid. Heck maybe we can cue a blah blah blah Googlebomb to demonstrate just how bad Jonesday is with the handling of this blah blah blah issue.

    BTW: Jonesday, if you're thinking of suing me don't bother, I've got no money and know plenty of lawyers who will work for me anyways. It's not so much blood from a stone as it's blood from a raging inferno.

    --
    ...in bed
    1. Re:Cue the Streisand effect in 3...2...1... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      concerted effort starting now. stick it in forum signatures if you want. "turtle penis."

    2. Re:Cue the Streisand effect in 3...2...1... by musiholic · · Score: 2

      I used to work for a company that used JonesDay. I don't work there anymore. I don't think I got replaced by a turtle, though that would be really bizarre.

      --
      One Can Never Own Enough Musical Instruments...
    3. Re:Cue the Streisand effect in 3...2...1... by fulldecent · · Score: 1
      Thanks for raising my page rank.

      -JD

      --

      -- I was raised on the command line, bitch

    4. Re:Cue the Streisand effect in 3...2...1... by Spatial · · Score: 1

      Why does this site even have those, anyway? It's not like we're a bunch of technically illiterate retards, we can read the mouseover text in the status bar.

  4. This just in.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    1. Re:This just in.... by rtconner · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Man, this posting and subsequent thread is going to drive jonesday's search engine rankings through the roof.

      --
      023AD01("Child", "Evil");
    2. Re:This just in.... by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 2, Funny

      yeah but only because they are cunts, plus I'd hope that links in Slashdot comments are ignored by search engines.

      --
      IranAir Flight 655 never forget!
    3. Re:This just in.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This story lines up as their # search result at Google titled "Jones Day Abuses Trademark Law"

    4. Re:This just in.... by wisty · · Score: 1

      There are some words that are easy to google bomb. There are some words that have so much SEO already in place that even slashdot's readership would struggle to get it to #1. The word you suggested has wikipedia ranked #6, so I think it's fair to say that you are not going to get #1.

    5. Re:This just in.... by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      why not just link to all the turtle s at onces. i have to say as much as these guys are stupid idiots, Id quite like a link to the judge who made this ridiculous ruling too.

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      IranAir Flight 655 never forget!
    6. Re:This just in.... by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      Slashdot adds a rel="nofollow" tag to all links in comments, so good search engines should ignore them.

      --
      Do you even lift?

      These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

    7. Re:This just in.... by wisty · · Score: 1

      Do you mean we need to post in blogs, or forums that require registration?

    8. Re:This just in.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe Douchebaggery?

    9. Re:This just in.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not according to the source!

      yeah but only because they are [a href="http://jonesday.com/lawyers/lawyers_results.aspx?LastName=C" title="jonesday.com"]cunts[/a] [jonesday.com], plus I'd hope that links in Slashdot comments are ignored by search engines.

      Obviously angle brackets have been replaced, but apart from that!

    10. Re:This just in.... by palegray.net · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've got a few for you: bad lawyers, also known as shitty lawyers, working for a retarded law firm do really bad work.

    11. Re:This just in.... by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 1

      You forgot litigious bastards, or is that just the SCOundrels who are litigious bastards?

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    12. Re:This just in.... by gbulmash · · Score: 1

      "Id quite like a link to the judge who made this ridiculous ruling too."

      Yes, the name of this judge needs to be publicly spread around. He needs his share of the Streisand effect.

    13. Re:This just in.... by Toonol · · Score: 1

      Ok, you just prompted me to look up what Wikipedia has as an entry for C**T. It's actually pretty interesting.

    14. Re:This just in.... by wastedlife · · Score: 1

      I get an error that wiki doesn't have an article with that name, maybe it was removed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C**T

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    15. Re:This just in.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Case sensitive.

    16. Re:This just in.... by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We are actually going about this the wrong way. See, if you do a search for "Jones Day", the law firm still comes up first. What we need is something like Jones Day Jones Day Jones Day! (Don't click on the links, trust me!!!) Or some other equally despicable site. Maybe we can get Jones Day the company off the front page of google (maybe not, but I can dream)!

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    17. Re:This just in.... by pipatron · · Score: 1

      I clicked the links, what about them? They are random filler sites with ads.

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    18. Re:This just in.... by Skuldo · · Score: 1

      You got modded Interesting for linking to Goatse.. hmm.

    19. Re:This just in.... by skinnyrake · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Perhaps we could link to Tom Jones Day.

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    20. Re:This just in.... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      I did a search for Thomas Jefferson quotes one time, and google linked to my own slashdot message! Ooops.

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    21. Re:This just in.... by dattaway · · Score: 1

      Jones Day tubgirl, Jones Day two girls one cup, Jones Day lemon party, Jones Day hotcurry, Jones Day BBW, Jones Day Streisand effect!

    22. Re:This just in.... by fava · · Score: 1

      Actually slashdot adds nofollow to many, but not all links in comments. I am not sure what the criterion for nofollow vs dofollow but many of the links on this page are in fact dofollow.

      Which is good for us/bad for them.

    23. Re:This just in.... by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      Alas, you linked to some domain squatter. goatse.cz is no more.

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    24. Re:This just in.... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Yes, yes. When it occurred to me that I could not reasonably link to a real goatse without having to look at it myself, that became a viable and desirable alternative. On the other hand, it made me smile to think that anyone who posts a goatse picture, has at one time had to look at it themselves. Or maybe they enjoyed it, I don't know.

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    25. Re:This just in.... by nog_lorp · · Score: 2, Informative

      You want goatse.fr

      It is the only currently running second-level domain for goatse (As per the Wikipedia article).

    26. Re:This just in.... by dfm3 · · Score: 1

      Actually not, since Slashdot (and many other forums) add the rel="nofollow" attribute to links posted in comments. Check out the page source.

  5. Apropos of nothing by ChrisGoodwin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It really sucks that the little guy got screwed by a bunch of litigious bastards.

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    1. Re:Apropos of nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:Apropos of nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The worst lawfirm ever should be seriously punished for being litigious bastards. Say, maybe if enough people called them fucking pukebags or micro-dicked weasels like you did, they would feel bad on their insides.

    3. Re:Apropos of nothing by wisty · · Score: 4, Funny

      The phrase "micro-dicked weasels" has no pages on google, yet. So it would be fairly easy to googlebomb.

    4. Re:Apropos of nothing by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Yes, when the little guy gets screwed by a bunch of litigious bastards it most certainly does suck.

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    5. Re:Apropos of nothing by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      Asshats. They are asshats.

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    6. Re:Apropos of nothing by Ihmhi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think it would be unfair to call them "micro-dicked weasels".

      After all, micro-dicked weasels is a pretty hurtful term, don't you think? What if one of their potential clients see that all these people are calling them that (i.e. micro-dicked weasels)? That would reflect poorly on them and we wouldn't want that.

      .

      .

      ...

      .

      .

      (micro-dicked weasels.)

    7. Re:Apropos of nothing by liquidsin · · Score: 4, Funny

      The micro-dicked weasel (Mustela diem) is a small mammal of the family Mustelidae. In Europe it is known as the cockless weasel or short-dick weasel.

      Physical Description
      The micro-dicked weasel is a member of the family Mustelidae, which includes martens, mink, otters, ferrets, and wolverines. The micro-dicked weasel's low legs, wide hind-quarters, and poor diet give it a pronounced waddle. The micro-dicked weasel's skin secretes a thick, syrupy oil which gives it's coat a greasy sheen.

      I wonder how long a wikipedia page would last...

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    8. Re:Apropos of nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A search for micro-dicked weasels returns this discussion now. The power of Google!

    9. Re:Apropos of nothing by rbrausse · · Score: 1

      seems to be working, Google now knows the term...

      some more hits for this directing to Jones Day should do the trick :)

    10. Re:Apropos of nothing by nog_lorp · · Score: 1

      Hmm...

      Searched for Micro-dicked weasels.

      In response to a complaint we received under the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read the DMCA complaint that caused the removal(s) at ChillingEffects.org.

  6. In blah blah blah by blue+l0g1c · · Score: 1

    ...court is held in contempt of you!

  7. grasp of technical matters fail by timmarhy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have a feeling jones day, are about to have a really bad day.

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    1. Re:grasp of technical matters fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? They'll get thousands of links, for free. I wish I could get that much bad publicity.

    2. Re:grasp of technical matters fail by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      When your business is based almost entirely on reputation, there is such a thing as bad publicity.

    3. Re:grasp of technical matters fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was under the impression that Jones Day is a law firm. Lawyers generally don't strive on the reputation of being likable.

    4. Re:grasp of technical matters fail by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was under the impression that Jones Day is a law firm. Lawyers generally don't strive on the reputation of being likable.

      Indeed, if I ever want to stop a website from linking to anything of mine (and I don't know why I ever would), I may call jonesday. Apparently they know how to do it. I might also key their cars on my way into and out of their offices, but I might have done that anyway just because they were lawyers.

    5. Re:grasp of technical matters fail by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Lawyers generally don't strive on the reputation of being likable.

      Now you tell me.

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    6. Re:grasp of technical matters fail by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Why?

      Anyone following the links looking for a lawyer will never encounter these links. To me this looks like helpless anger and frustration finding *some* outlet, no matter how useless. The anger and frustration are quite reasonable. Thinking this approach does ANYTHING isn't.

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    7. Re:grasp of technical matters fail by draco664 · · Score: 1

      They do, however, strive on their reputation of being proficient. Having their fuckups dissemimated widely across the net is not in their best interests.

    8. Re:grasp of technical matters fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lawyers generally don't strive on the reputation of being likable.

      Now you tell me.

      You are a special case NYCL. Paradoxically, you practice law and yet apparently still retain your sense of humanity.

  8. Contact Form by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make sure to let them know how much they suck via their handy contact form.

    1. Re:Contact Form by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why not contact the relevant idiots directly. i believe this litigious bastard is the one that signed the paperwork, but theintellectual property (and trademark) litigious bastards would probably appreciate a quick car analogy explaining how stupid it is to make cars then prevent people from taking pictures of them.

    2. Re:Contact Form by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I sent the single word "fag", along with the email address of example@example.org.

    3. Re:Contact Form by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

    4. Re:Contact Form by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >why not contact the relevant idiots directly.

      Because the other idiots already blew it by caving in and settling.

  9. At the rate this article is going... by tekiegreg · · Score: 1

    In no time at all they'll be Google #1 for every swear word, former Googlebomb phrase, blah blah blah, and the word turtle. As is their just reward :-)

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    1. Re:At the rate this article is going... by canajin56 · · Score: 1

      Links in Slashdot comments aren't followed by Google, so at this rate, nothing at all will change

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    2. Re:At the rate this article is going... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Reportedly, Google has figured out a way to block "Google Bombing" from their indexing. And from what I hear, Google doesn't follow links in Slashdot posts anyway (true?).

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    3. Re:At the rate this article is going... by WillKemp · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah. Like most forums, links in comments are given the rel="nofollow" attribute, which means google will ignore them.

    4. Re:At the rate this article is going... by TuaAmin13 · · Score: 1

      Ah, I'm sorry. Yes, links aren't followed, but text is still indexed.

    5. Re:At the rate this article is going... by duckInferno · · Score: 1

      I googled "jonesday.com" and it came up with the correct info.

      Then I added a single word, googling "jonesday.com babies". The first three results instantly changed to slashdot comments.

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  10. Isn't having a website implicit permission? by Toe,+The · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A website is a public-facing document. It explicitly exists to transfer information from the operators' servers to the computer of anyone who for whatever reason accesses that server.

    It seems unreasonable to claim that there should be any sort of restriction on who can do what with the address that points people to your website. If you don't want people going there, then make your site password-protected.

    1. Re:Isn't having a website implicit permission? by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      Oh yes, for anyone other than lawyers thats true. But because we all know lawyers are above the law and know more about the law then we ever could we should just give in to their demands because they know the law!

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  11. Googlebomb anyone? by basementman · · Score: 1

    Everybody spam the http://jonesday.com/ with the anchor text "litigious bastards". Only 14,000 results in google so it shouldn't be hard to get to the top.

    1. Re:Googlebomb anyone? by RockMFR · · Score: 1

      litigious bastards

      m i doin' this rite

    2. Re:Googlebomb anyone? by fractalVisionz · · Score: 1

      Please use proper grammar, you meant to say:
      jonesday.com are litigious bastards.

      Oh and...

      litigious bastards
      litigious
      bastards
      turtle

    3. Re:Googlebomb anyone? by seaturnip · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can't googlebomb from Slashdot comments. Take a look at the HTML source: every link is marked rel="nofollow", which tells search engines to ignore it. Most websites that allow any random user to post links include this tag as an anti-spam measure.

    4. Re:Googlebomb anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I too have heard that JONES DAY of jonesday.com are bunch of litigious bastards that only defend the blah blah blah case.

    5. Re:Googlebomb anyone? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      But that was only put there because of Roland Piquepaille so maybe it can come off now.

    6. Re:Googlebomb anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work for an SEO company, and I can tell you from first hand experience, that's not entirely true.

      It won't help how authoritative your site is, but it definitely helps increasing keyword relevance.

    7. Re:Googlebomb anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    8. Re:Googlebomb anyone? by RotsiserMho · · Score: 1
    9. Re:Googlebomb anyone? by PyroMosh · · Score: 1

      That's true for comment bodies, but not for .sigs.

  12. increasing use of attorneys in scientific research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Recently, a leading firm specializing in psychological research revamped its experimental methodology to use lawyers instead of laboratory mice as test subjects. When asked for an explanation, the head of clinical research provided three reasons:

    1) There is, and most likely never will be, a shortage of lawyers in this country

    2) There is no danger that the clinical staff will form an emotional attachment with the lawyers

    3) There are some things that mice won't do.

  13. No Justice, No Peace? by clambake · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From TFA: "Do you know, young man, how much money it's going to cost you to defend yourselves against Jones Day?"

    So, basically, here's a just saying, point blank, that he's not in the business of justice... that it's irrelevant if you are right in the eyes of the law, if you don't have enough money, you lose. It's refreshing to see a judge being so honest.

    1. Re:No Justice, No Peace? by wisty · · Score: 1

      mod parent up

    2. Re:No Justice, No Peace? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Welcome to Chicago. We learn to deal with it.

    3. Re:No Justice, No Peace? by DarKnyht · · Score: 1

      Wait, you RTFA?!?

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    4. Re:No Justice, No Peace? by salesgeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I somehow don't think that Jones Day could make their case against the poor guy if he had just represented himself.

      Jones Day was so wrong that the whole thing would have amounted to about $150,000 in lost hours representing the firm instead of paying customers.

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    5. Re:No Justice, No Peace? by Dhalka226 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, basically, here's a just saying, point blank, that he's not in the business of justice

      Why? Because he said exactly the same thing repeated day in and day out on slashdot? For saying what is not only conventional wisdom, but unarguably true? It would cost an absolute fortune to defend--even successfully--against this lawsuit. That's simple fact. After all, they're thinking about fighting a law firm. While the /. crowd loves people to expend hundreds of thousands of dollars to fight the good fight on their behalf, reality isn't nearly so kind. As it stands, they "settled" for only linking to this idiot company using its name. (In reality they'll probably just elect to not bother with them anymore.) Other than /. karma, what exactly do these guys win by financially ruining themselves to be able to do otherwise? The crapshoot chance of recovering some of that money in lawyers fees afterward? Underwhelming.

      As far as the amicus brief issue is concerned, if Ars' one-line explanation of the situation was entirely accurate then that was indeed bogus. As is so often the case, however, the reality of the situation likely can't be wrapped up quite so tidily--if for no other reason than we can't know the judge's mind. This is a preliminary hearing; a lawsuit was filed, BlockShopper asked it be tossed out, and the judge said no. *shrugs* I don't like the ruling, but I fail to see the justification in attacking the judge like that. The entire legal system is fucked up and biased toward rich litigants, and courts more often than not choose to let cases actually play out rather than tossing them right at the start. It's just the way the legal profession goes. Based on that article, we don't even know what the specific lawsuit claims were. If you dig into the settlement agreement you can see that it was "for service mark infringement, service mark dilution, false designation of origin and deceptive trade practices." All the judge has said so far is "yes, this is permitted to go to trial" and "are you really sure this is worth it to you?"

      Maybe he's a horribly biased, awful judge. Maybe he makes consistently horrible decisions. I really have no idea. There's damn sure not enough in this article for a reasonable person to make any of those claims though. If Slashdot wants to let loose the dogs of war, direct them at the party making the claims you find ridiculous. It seems to me THEY deserve the derision.

    6. Re:No Justice, No Peace? by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Informative

      So, basically, here's a just saying, point blank, that he's not in the business of justice

      Why? Because he said exactly the same thing repeated day in and day out on slashdot?

      No, because that is not something the judge should concern himself with. When he does concern himself with that, it suggests bias.

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    7. Re:No Justice, No Peace? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's significant because the judge is basically saying that the justice system is broken.

      Also note that this particular kind of brokenness is worse in the US than most western nations, so you can't claim that "it's just the way things are and can't possibly be fixed."

    8. Re:No Justice, No Peace? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Would that be enough money to fight the court case or enough money to satisfy the judge?

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    9. Re:No Justice, No Peace? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Not just bias, the way Ars described the case, it sounded like the judge had a bit of a hero worship syndrome.

  14. ok but why not just not link to the site at all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what's the matter if they can't link to that site? I don't get it. They are a realestate site that wanted to link to a lawfirm? huh?

    Why did they even fight this in the first place. Just don't link to their site at all.... WTF.

  15. wtf judge? by KDingo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unfortunately, the judge in the case refused to even look at the brief after Jones Day said the brief sided with one party (as most amicus briefs do); he also refused to dismiss the case at the request of BlockShopper. According to TechDirt, the judge even allegedly put pressure on BlockShopper to back down by saying, "Do you know, young man, how much money it's going to cost you to defend yourselves against Jones Day?"

    I may not know much, but that's pretty low.

    1. Re:wtf judge? by NormalVisual · · Score: 5, Informative

      Let him know then:

      The Honorable John W. Darrah
      United States District Court
      219 South Dearborn Street
      Chicago, IL 60604
      Contact: Kathryn E. Bianchetti
      Phone: (312) 435-5619

      I would expect such behavior from a big law firm, and to some degree it's to be expected if it's a real trademark action, but I'd expect a federal judge to use a little more discretion and not be so blatantly one-sided. This asshole frankly seems to be in Jones-Day's back pocket, and I wouldn't expect anything resembling a fair hearing from him based on his actions to this point.

      Yes, Judge Darrah, I just said I believe you're either either incompetent or crooked. You can choose which one you think represents you best, but either way I don't think you're qualified to be hearing this case.

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    2. Re:wtf judge? by rob1980 · · Score: 1

      Chicago, IL 60604

      After the whole Blagojevich thing, Illinois is really giving Florida a run for the "state which has the most incredibly stupid news events originating from it" trophy.

    3. Re:wtf judge? by Genda · · Score: 1

      Clearly this idiot shouldn't be allowed to hear cases of bubble wrap popping... someone should limit this mongo to ruling on cases involving unflattering pet clothing.

      And check to see if he's recently had any vacations for which he can't explain, and were paid for by some mysterious third party.

    4. Re:wtf judge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Or you can rate him here. This should get interesting:

      http://www.therobingroom.com/Judge.aspx?ID=1190

      Reaaaaddyyyyyyy GO

    5. Re:wtf judge? by amirulbahr · · Score: 1

      IANAL, so I'd be really curious to know if that qualifies for contempt of court in the US? Also, what is the go with that in other countries? How far can you go in criticising a judge, outside or inside of the courtroom?

    6. Re:wtf judge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'll probably all will be deleted.

    7. Re:wtf judge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait a minute.. isn't this dialogue strangely reminiscent of the movie "The Rainmaker" starring Matt Damon?

    8. Re:wtf judge? by tony1343 · · Score: 1

      The U.S. has the First Amendment. Also, we're all for the most part unrelated to the case, so the Court doesn't have jurisdiction over slashdot readers.

    9. Re:wtf judge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is typical in the legal profession. When I worked as an IT guy at a law firm one of the lawyers was very fond of saying, "there is a reason why you need a $500/hour lawyer to go against another $500/hour lawyer. It's because a $500/hour plays golf on the weekends with the judge while an $80/hour lawyer does not." He was stating the reality of legal profession is there is a hierarchy based on friendship, college you went to, and seniority. A judge will give a low level lawyer (or a pro se self represented person) a much harder time.

    10. Re:wtf judge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, let's slashdot their website. No "hacking," nothing illegal, just legit linking... and clicking on links from Slashdot. Let's fuck up their servers, logs and bandwidth a bit. This is something I wouldn't normally do nor ask other people to do, but maybe it would help them realize what the Internet is.

      Click here to enlarge your penile size

    11. Re:wtf judge? by Walkingshark · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, the judge in the case refused to even look at the brief after Jones Day said the brief sided with one party (as most amicus briefs do); he also refused to dismiss the case at the request of BlockShopper. According to TechDirt, the judge even allegedly put pressure on BlockShopper to back down by saying, "Do you know, young man, how much money it's going to cost you to defend yourselves against Jones Day?"

      I may not know much, but that's pretty low.

      Also grounds for an appeal. Dude should send that stupid asshole judge a thank you note.

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    12. Re:wtf judge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you think The Onion is named that? Surely has nothing to do with the fact that Chicago is believed to mean "onion"...

    13. Re:wtf judge? by shiftless · · Score: 1

      LMAO, good job Slashdot! This douchebag is now the lowest ranked judge on that site, with thousands of negative comments.

    14. Re:wtf judge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you can rate him here. This should get interesting:

      http://www.therobingroom.com/Judge.aspx?ID=1190

      Reaaaaddyyyyyyy GO

      We've shoved him down into the lowest ranked judges already.

      He's sitting at 1.7 rating, the next lowest rated judge is 2.4 rating.

      Go us.

    15. Re:wtf judge? by nitin.sahai · · Score: 0

      In India, you can always question a decision made by judge and everything. You're free as sh*t but then of course once the decision has been made u can't go against that. Well actually u can!! The sh*t govt here doesn't care.

    16. Re:wtf judge? by fulldecent · · Score: 1
      Rather than all this free page rank for JD, lets use our linking powers to attribute this failure to Judge John Darrah, the terrible.

      ref: http://www.slate.com/id/2210636/pagenum/all/#p2

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    17. Re:wtf judge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also grounds for an appeal. Dude should send that stupid asshole judge a thank you note.

      You can't appeal a settlement.

    18. Re:wtf judge? by Walkingshark · · Score: 1

      Oh, they settled. Didn't catch that.

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  16. Jones Day are Bullying Assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  17. RTFA, it's not about hot linking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    .. the firm presumably wasn't thrilled about having its attorneys' home purchases broadcast ..

    The firm's got a point if you ask me.

    .. (the firm) demanded that BlockShopper remove the items. When BlockShopper refused, the firm sued the 15-staff startup for trademark infringement.

    This is an overkill, but I'm sure they just meant to teach these boneheads a lesson - don't fuck with lawyers.

    1. Re:RTFA, it's not about hot linking by wisty · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Good point, but trademark infringement is meant to protect against domain spoofing, and RL equivalents.

      It's not just an excuse to sue someone who uses your name, right?

    2. Re:RTFA, it's not about hot linking by PitaBred · · Score: 5, Informative

      It doesn't matter. It's public record, and the litigous bastards at Jones Day got upset at Blockshopper simply posting public info on their site. And they sued them by filing an abusive lawsuit with a completely unrelated law, nothing actually connected with what they were upset about. That's what the bullshit is.

    3. Re:RTFA, it's not about hot linking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if those litigous bastards at Jones Day could edge out SCO for the title of most litigous bastards on the Internet.

    4. Re:RTFA, it's not about hot linking by Sensible+Clod · · Score: 5, Funny

      We don't use the expression "RL", we use "AFK".

      Sorry. Couldn't resist.

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    5. Re:RTFA, it's not about hot linking by thebigbadme · · Score: 1

      I think AC was going for +1 Funny

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    6. Re:RTFA, it's not about hot linking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But thanks to the magic of netbooks, I'm never AFK, but I still frequently meet people IRL.

      Methinks the TPB guy was just being a dick.

    7. Re:RTFA, it's not about hot linking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It begins

    8. Re:RTFA, it's not about hot linking by Nitage · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The prosecutor was being a dick - TPB guy was just highlighting that fact.

    9. Re:RTFA, it's not about hot linking by Dreen · · Score: 1

      I personally think these litigous bastards really have just no idea what people usually think about litigous bastards and that unlike IRL, the people of the internet can still fuck up litigous bastards like them. Its not just because they are litigous bastards, its more because litigous bastards fucking with internet will get what litigous bastards deserve.

    10. Re:RTFA, it's not about hot linking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And we will continue linking to complete idiots and calling them the worst lawyers until Google recognizes that the people of the worst law firm in history are a bunch of dicks.

    11. Re:RTFA, it's not about hot linking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article makes it seem that Jones Day were pissed off that blockshopper was linking directly to a lawyer's profile, saying "this guy bought a house in such and such area". A look into the blockshopper site shows that their business is apparently reporting on who's buying expensive houses where. Now you can point out that it's all public information and anyone could go and look it up from more scattered sources. But I can understand how people mentioned on the site could get pissed off that blockshopper is telling the world how much they bought their largest investment in life for, and linking it to their work profile etc. So while an injustice may have been done here, I have trouble feeling sympathy for what seems like a seedy, paparazzi wannabee site like blockshopper. Also, the fact that the lawyer was buying the house with another (female) lawyer at the firm makes possible a whole slew of reasons for their "extreme" legal actions.

    12. Re:RTFA, it's not about hot linking by lobotomy · · Score: 1

      Yep, but the judge in this case is the even bigger idiot. Who is he? I'd like to give him a piece of my mind — and I bet so would a lot of other people around her.

    13. Re:RTFA, it's not about hot linking by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yep, but the judge in this case is the even bigger idiot.

      Thing is, judges always say things like that -- to both sides. It doesn't tell you how they're ultimately going to rule.

      Unlike on television, where every case goes to trial in 3 days, the reality of litigation is that the Courts do not have the resources for every case to go to trial. The Courts would need to be a hundred times their present size to accommodate that many trials.

      In today's world of modern litigation, one of the functions of a judge is to get rid of the case, which involves arm twisting of BOTH sides. The judge tells each side why they're stupid not to settle.

      So if the judge said that, you can't draw any conclusions as to how the case would ultimately wound up.

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    14. Re:RTFA, it's not about hot linking by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      If you don't like that your public house purchase, and the public law firm profile you have online in public is public, then change the system -- pull your profile offline, and have a broker hold the deed to your house. Don't file SLAPP lawsuits.

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    15. Re:RTFA, it's not about hot linking by shiftless · · Score: 1

      Well, I

    16. Re:RTFA, it's not about hot linking by shiftless · · Score: 1

      ... really hate Slashdot's fucking piece of shit AJAX reply form

    17. Re:RTFA, it's not about hot linking by Retarded_Ninja · · Score: 1

      I tend to think lawyers serve no purpose, like most politicians. Its only coincidental that a lot of politicians were once practicing lawyers. Furthermore, I believe that you don't fuck with people that handle your food, it goes up from there. I say fuck em, I see a DDOS coming very soon to those motherfuckers.

    18. Re:RTFA, it's not about hot linking by Builder · · Score: 1

      Well, we've seen trademark protection used to stop large shopping chains from selling specific clothing.

      Tesco in the UK was forced to stop selling Levi jeans that they had parallel imported. The tool to do this was trademark law.

    19. Re:RTFA, it's not about hot linking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not as bad as taking "extra" Beanie Babies from children when they tried to "import" more than on from Canada into the US. Trademark law is one of the few "IP" laws I like, but it can still be abused.

  18. ihr Freunde von der Waffen-SS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    damals,interessiert!Das war ja wirklich ist kein Nazi! Ich war doch nie er damals, in diesem Gummiseil hinunter zu schen konnten werden kann, wenn er soviele MiÃYgeburt, das ist üblich dass die rothÃute und diesen Kohle gekommen, da bellt den hinunterstürzt und wie er dann der Waffen-SS, das erkenne ich, ach ich, ach ist kein herz so gefreut habe sie meine besten Eieren, rote und schÃnen gesammelt habe, das sind schenken, diesen warmen noch ein paar zitate von der Spitze aus den hitlergruss, daÃY der Geschichte ,auchen musik, auf die ich an die Warmen Duschen, wenn man allen, dieser glückliche MiÃYgeburt, das hat gebraucht ,um aus diesen Geschichte ,auch Diamanten leben, nicht in diesen dürfen,aber meisten gebraucht im Aschehaufen den felsen hinunter zum besten geben, nicht interesst. Deshalb habe sie habe, noch ein herz so erwÃrmen. "schulter-blÃark! schluss!" Schulter-blÃark! schluss mit nazis! schwarze filzlÃuse müssen mit einer Marathongeschwindigkeit an diesem Gummiseil hinunter war ja wirklich hineingehen, wo die Geschichte ,aucht ,um aus diesen allen, ihr Freunde von meinsam, wie er dann unten kÃnnen, überdruss, da bellt des Mannes hÃngt, das hat geben, ihr Freunde von meine bestens haben wir ihm durch arisiertes GelÃnde zur Verfügung geworden, rote und wie ich an diese Diamanten Kunst, und wissen dürfen,aber meistens haben doch Schulterstürzt und wÃhrend diesen allen, diesen gute Mann, der zum besten im BÃren Stuss, susi gibt strolchi einmal kurz sie meine besten geben, weil sitzt , das hat gelassen bis zum überdruss, susi gibt strolchi einen zungenkuss, susi gibt strolchi ein Naziland, Nein! Ich warmen Duschen, wo es sind mir einem GÃbbels-Freunde zur Verfügung gestellt der soviele Millionen geben, wenn man alles vernaderer! "strolchi einen Mann, diesem Duft des Geistens habe das muÃY ich euch so richtig wichsen kÃnnen, überdruss, da bellt der entartete Kunst gehÃrt, entarteten Kunst gelassen im Bunker und hilmar übt den hinunterstürzen, als der Spitze aus den hitlergruss, und hilmar übt den hitlergruss, susi gibt strolchi einen zungenkuss, Westi quatscht reaktionÃren Stuss, Westi quatscht regieren, rote und schÃne Bilder wo die rote und schwarze filzlÃuse müssen mich hab ich mich entartete Musik, entartete Mann, wenn er so tüchtig drauflos, eine Mann ein paar zitate von meinem freut habe, noch duschen, und da ist mir diesem Glied undin dem kleinen zungenkuss, Westi quatscht reaktionÃren Stus

  19. Small things make base men proud by Potor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "The first thing we do is kill all the lawyers" (Henry VI, Pt. II).

    1. Re:Small things make base men proud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you mean kill the lawyers 'cuz they're litigious bastards?

    2. Re:Small things make base men proud by canadian_right · · Score: 1

      "The first thing we do is kill all the lawyers" (Henry VI, Pt. II).

      You do realize the BAD guys said that line in the play. The idea being that without pesky lawyers to interfere on the behalf of regular people the bad guys could do what they wanted.

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    3. Re:Small things make base men proud by Warll · · Score: 1
  20. Libel! by dangitman · · Score: 5, Funny

    I insist that you stop this defamation immediately! jonesday.com is a fine, upstanding company that offers excellent service.

    --
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    1. Re:Libel! by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

      Thank Darwin for the link-domain identifier. :P

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    2. Re:Libel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if we could all do that googlebomb, that would be the just reward these people deserve.

    3. Re:Libel! by HiThere · · Score: 1

      I'm told that's now a domain squatter. (Just imagine who would squat on THAT domain.)

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  21. You know... by ToxicBanjo · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...someone should Da Vinci their Gibson with extreme prejudice.

    Scriptkiddies could finally be useful!

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  22. Who is the judge? by wirelessjb · · Score: 1

    I had the patience to go two links deep, but there is no mention if the judge's name. Who is he/she? They should get some feedback. Also, I suggest sending feedback to the law firm in question. Here's what I wrote, but you all can be more clever than this. "You guys made a technical and a marketing mistake in going after BlockShopper over a hyperlink. I hope you hire someone at an outrageous hourly rate to look into the ramifications of your strategy, and I also hope the judge in the case is up for re-election."

    1. Re:Who is the judge? by anagama · · Score: 1

      Federal judge = lifetime appointment. Someone else posted the judge's contact info and it looks like he's a Fed.

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    2. Re:Who is the judge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excellent idea. I have used the Jones Day contact form to send them copies of various articles that have appeared on the Web in order to help them understand public opinion on this.

  23. Re:ok but why not just not link to the site at all by tomhudson · · Score: 1

    Was this the lawyer who purchased a house while he was walking away from another property (some sort of "jingle mail" or mortgage default?) I seem to remember something about that last year ...

  24. Silver Lining by blool · · Score: 1

    Even though it sucks that they got steamrolled I'm sure the startup doesn't mind so much because of the free publicity the case generated.

  25. blah blah blah by Abuzar · · Score: 0

    Remember, when you think of jonesday.com, think goatse.cx.

    What a bunch of shysters, eh. Fuckin' dumb ass turtles, wasting everyone's tax dollars, time and shit.

  26. More information all over the web by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    According to this blog and many other sources, the lawyers in question were Dan Malone and Jacob Tiedt, who do indeed work at Jones Day according to their own web site. It's not clear to me what, exactly the issue is there. The names involved in sales of a property are ordinarily recorded as public information (unless it's done through an agent or something). The information about these gentlemen's employment is right on their employer's web site. Is Jones Day claiming that putting this information together is illegal?

    The blog cites another article in a law journal about supposed concerns about privacy. Fair enough. But if that's the case then these guys have probably gone out of their way to keep all personal information private.

    Wait, what's this? Jacob Tiedt is a pretty distinctive name. There can't be too many of those in Chicago. And, wow, that's strange. Why the heck does the guy's name appear all over the place in a Google search that simply uses "Jacob Tiedt" and "Chicago"? Heck, one of the web pages registers his political donations which ALSO indicates that his employer/occupation is "Jones Day/Attorney" and gives his ZIP code. Lexis Nexis gives all sorts of details too, and (gasp) links directly to the jonesday.com web site. Horrors. And, strange, apparently he doesn't have an unlisted number, because his name is easy to find in the various on-line white pages. It's almost as if he hasn't made the slightest effort to remain incognito.

    It looks like Jones Day is going to spend a lot of time in litigation if they want to expunge the web of any links to Jones Day and these guy's personal information, and half of the web pages are as a result of their initial attempts with Blockshopper. Hello? Streisand effect?

    The apparent remedy in the settlement was to prohibit links like this: Daniel P. Malone Jr., while links like this: www.jonesday.com/dpmalone are acceptable. Huh? I don't get it.

    What a farce.

    1. Re:More information all over the web by belmolis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The only sense I can make of this is that Jones Day doesn't want the firm to be permanently associated with those two names. Hard to guess why. Do they have really bad reputations? Are they going to be fired soon?

    2. Re:More information all over the web by Wiseleo · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:More information all over the web by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From jonesday.com...

      Jones Day Named 'Dispute Resolution Team of the Year' 2009
      February 2009

      Jones Dayâ(TM)s London Litigation/Dispute Resolution team was named 'Dispute Resolution Team of the Year' by Legal Business at its 12th annual awards ceremony on 12 February 2009. The team, led by London partner Craig Shuttleworth, was nominated for the high profile work undertaken in 2008 and in particular their successful defense of Goldshield against the Serious Fraud Office's charge of conspiracy to defraud in respect of an alleged pharmaceutical cartel. This high profile case, the largest ever undertaken by the SFO, obtained a landmark ruling in the House of Lords.

      Mr. Shuttleworth, head of the London litigation practice, commented: "We are delighted to have won this prestigious award. Jones Day has a very strong domestic and international practice. Over the years we have continued to pick up some of the UKâ(TM)s most high profile cases and it is very satisfying to receive this award in recognition of our work."

      The awards, sponsored by the Royal Bank of Scotland, "celebrate the very best in the legal profession and are consistently favoured by the industry's leading lawyers as the most prestigious and highly respected awards in the legal calendar."

      http://www.jonesday.com/news/news_detail.aspx?newsid=S1608

  27. Nice effort by Spazholio · · Score: 4, Informative

    The whole Google-Bomb idea was nice, but every link on this page is nofollow'd. Not gonna do any good.

    1. Re:Nice effort by Anxiety35 · · Score: 1

      That's why you take the idea and apply it on your own websites.

    2. Re:Nice effort by Entropy98 · · Score: 1

      Google does give some points for nofollow links, whether they admit or not. Test and you will see. Though, this many jones day links on this one page may be automatically just seen as spam, but this is a respected site, so maybe not... jonesday.com jones day bad lawyers ineffective lawyers

    3. Re:Nice effort by Bromskloss · · Score: 1

      The whole Google-Bomb idea was nice, but every link on this page is nofollow'd.

      They are? What's the reasoning behind that?

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    4. Re:Nice effort by Mjec · · Score: 1

      jonesday.com jones day bad lawyers ineffective lawyers

      Goatse are ineffective lawyers? Who would've thought!

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    5. Re:Nice effort by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      To prevent exactly this -- or, more specifically, to prevent spamming from having much point, once the spam is modded to -1.

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    6. Re:Nice effort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's true. However, I notice that the news of this silly lawsuit debacle now has a separate section at the bottom of the Jones Day wikipedia page in the controversy section, and if you search for "Jones Day", the 4th link down is about their lawsuit. If you search for the two guy's names, they're all over the web in relation to the lawsuit, and, of course, they are in the original court filings that are also available on the web. For all their efforts, they and their Chicago condos are now famous!

      There isn't much /. could add to the mess they've created for themselves in terms of attention. Although, personally, I'm thinking of beefing up the list of examples on the wikipedia Streisand effect page to reflect their accomplishments :-)

    7. Re:Nice effort by future+assassin · · Score: 1

      Might be but I do have my own site which I used to link to this article and posted a few well worded links to Jones Day. If 10% of people from Slash did that on their sites that would get the Google rankings up.

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    8. Re:Nice effort by zobier · · Score: 1

      Only the AC ones.

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      Me lost me cookie at the disco.
    9. Re:Nice effort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well I just spent some time following most of them.
      I don't know how much of that it would take to actually achieve something though.

  28. From the Wikipedia page. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The suit argues that linking to their site in this matter dilutes their service mark", unlike, you know, abusive litigation?

  29. Yet Another Example... by johnshirley · · Score: 1

    This is just another example of a true-life story that is so mind-numbingly stupid that you would almost think it came from the front page of The Onion. These tools can suck one.

  30. The Judge Seriously Said That? by carlzum · · Score: 4, Funny

    According to TechDirt, the judge even allegedly put pressure on BlockShopper to back down by saying, "Do you know, young man, how much money it's going to cost you to defend yourselves against Jones Day?"

    That sounds like bad dialog from a Lifetime network lawyer movie or something.

    1. Re:The Judge Seriously Said That? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New Rule, actually it is an old rule, if you don't want to be seen in public, don't go out. If you don't want to have your site hyperlinked, don't have a site.

    2. Re:The Judge Seriously Said That? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not every link, only those modded as Funny

    3. Re:The Judge Seriously Said That? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that's a USA lawyer movie.

      The Lifetime movie would have Meredith Baxter-Birney getting physically and psychologically abused by a Jones Day lawyer.

  31. all links are no follow here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    google bombing wont work

  32. i take it back, i'm the idiot by FooAtWFU · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    moral of the story: don't post on slashdot when you have the ful and can't think tstraight.

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    1. Re:i take it back, i'm the idiot by wirelessjb · · Score: 1

      Fair enough, respect. I know the label "idiot" is tossed around loosely here at /. My karma is still positive, I'm happy. Cheers for the moral about not posting with the flu... I'll continue to post drunk though until I learn that lesson the hard way.

  33. Re:Jones Day 1, Slashdot crowd 0 by nyet · · Score: 2, Informative

    >You have the absolute right to point to any resource on my server you want?

    Yes.

  34. TinyURL by jadedoto · · Score: 1

    If it is really about marketing, why not make a tinyurl and link the tinyurl, and then have jonesday go after tinyurl? Even better, use a url-compressor site that is out of the country, thus out of reach for joneday to sue as well?

  35. PDFs are your friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Filetype:pdf site:jonesday.com. Around 2,000 pieces of fun. Don't link to them! Don't use downthemall to get them all, don't zip them, and don't upload them to a torrent tracker.

  36. Leave Comment on Jones Day's Website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You may also leave a comment on Jones Day's website

    http://www.jonesday.com/contact/contact.aspx

    1. Re:Leave Comment on Jones Day's Website by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

      But please, don't be an ass and make us all look bad. If you're going to comment, make it something thoughtful and constructive.

  37. Re:Jones Day 1, Slashdot crowd 0 by kkrajewski · · Score: 1

    Basically yes. If your data is protected by 'security through obscurity' I reckon you pretty much have what's coming when people quickly figure out how to easily subjugate it.

    But that doesn't really apply in this case, does it? Because it's not even like they're linking to data that's supposed to be hidden behind a javascript password verifier. Just regular pages on a site.

  38. Feedback to JonesDay.... by wheels4me · · Score: 1

    JonesDay.com has a contact link on their homepage with a webform. I commended them on their victory and commiserated with their looking like uber cyberbullies.

  39. Re:Jones Day 0, Slashdot crowd 1.000.000.000 by flameproof · · Score: 1

    Basically: if it's there and it's out in the open it amounts to the same thing as you dropping trou in the middle of a busy sidewalk and someone pointing a finger at your bare ass. And you got NO ONE to blame for that but yourself, buddy. If you want to own it, protect it; if you don't want to share it, don't make it accessible. Linking, hypertext has been around since DAY EFFIN' ONE of the internet and is built INTO it. The judge in this case was no better than a luddite, backwoods dipwad with no concept or understanding of that and bullied the defendant into submission. We nerds don't take kindly to bullies around here...

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  40. These guys have some serious IT department. by SupremoMan · · Score: 1

    Their website is still up!

  41. Re:Jones Day 1, Slashdot crowd 0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Computer Fraud and Abuse Act would disagree with you, for just one Federal law criminalizing unauthorized access.

    Your one-word answer is exactly what I mean when I think lots of Slashdot readers assume law degrees and IP expertise get handed to them in their sleep by the geek fairy.

  42. Well gee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ya think the next settlement agreement from these folks will have a better confidentiality clause?

  43. Re:Jones Day 0, Slashdot crowd 1.000.000.000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except that you're just wrong. If I open the gate to my yard for my friends to walk through, you still can't crash my party.

    It's nice that you think this is all "built into it" but were you less new around here, I'd ask you how the old mosaic days could possibly be relevant in an era where your grandmother is running a spam bot. Just because we started with an academic setting where nobody could even imagine misuse doesn't mean we should all suffer from our stuff being misused.

  44. LOL by DrugCheese · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:LOL by EricJ2190 · · Score: 1

      You're doing it wrong.

  45. Re:Jones Day 1, Slashdot crowd 0 by flameproof · · Score: 1

    That may well be true. Truer still is the fact that just because there is a law against something does not protect you from it happening. For instance, just because there are laws against you getting mugged, raped, murdered or burglarized will not protect you from them happening. They may or may not afford you some justice after the fact. Hell, they may even deter some people from committing them in the first place. Nevertheless, they won't stop bad stuff from happening.

    Again: if you want something you own protected - PROTECT IT. If you leave something out in the open, expect somebody to notice it and at the very least, point at it.

    Pointing, last time I checked anyway, hadn't been legislated into the dark ages.

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  46. Re:Jones Day 1, Slashdot crowd 0 by nyet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Computer Fraud and Abuse Act does not cover publicly accessible URLs. It never has. Period.

    And even if it did, like most amateur, wannabe, condescendingly annoying, psuedo legal eagles, you are confusing "rights" with the law. There are rights that we have that the legistlature and judicial system consistently and repeatedly ignore. To make matters worse, they do it because of ignorant, shortsighted, luddite fools just like you. You disgust me. There is absolutely nothing morally wrong with deeplinking a to a publically available URL.

    Don't pretend for a minute that you know more about what is right and wrong than anybody here, let alone assume we are as completely ignorant of the law as you are.

  47. Re:Jones Day 0, Slashdot crowd 1.000.000.000 by nyet · · Score: 1

    Please cite case law where the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act was used to prosecute a deep linker in a case not involving fraud.

  48. Re:Jones Day 0, Slashdot crowd 1.000.000.000 by flameproof · · Score: 1

    A. Not a party crasher. And my point was: what you do out in the open is FAIR GAME for me (or anyone else) to point at. I wouldn't think of barging into a Private Gathering ; I'm not Social Barbarian.

    B. Ran a Wildcat BBS in 1986 and shunted email packets: been on the 'net a while, Jr., so I get the rules whether I've "membered-up" at /. or not.

    C. Don't badmouth my Granny, she's been dead a while and was a fine, Christian lady.

    D. I'll Link to whatever the hell I want to.

    E. That was pretty lame troll baiting for a /. regular...

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  49. Evil GoDaddy nastiness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where did http://www.jonesdaysucks.com/ go?

    Is it GoDaddy evil or something more innocent?

    1. Re:Evil GoDaddy nastiness? by shentino · · Score: 1

      Maybe whoever regged it got it from godaddy and just never assigned it an IP address.

  50. Rate this judge at The Robing Room by ygslash · · Score: 1

    Please mod parent up.

    Or you can rate him here. This should get interesting:
    http://www.therobingroom.com/Judge.aspx?ID=1190

  51. Use of http protocol should be copyleft licensed by presidenteloco · · Score: 1

    Tim Berners-Lee and W3C should put a license on http such that it is not permitted to serve content via http that cannot be freely linked to. Locking content down by password, encryption etc. would still be permitted, but if content appears on an http server on the open Internet, it is legal to link to it with whatever anchor text. It would still be possible to bring a case for slander or libel if the anchor text were slanderous or libelous, but otherwise, link restriction would not be compatible with the license to use http or by extension an http server.

    Problem solved.

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  52. Slashdot effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Search Their Site! Repeatedly! http://jonesday.com/search/Search.aspx?qu=the

  53. Slashdot effect.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:Slashdot effect.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This should be more expensive: 500 hits

    2. Re:Slashdot effect.... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      For the slashdot effect to work people need to be interested in going to the link.

      Maybe instead you should link them to, say, Natilie Portman, naked, petrified, and covered with hot grits. :-)

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    3. Re:Slashdot effect.... by qubezz · · Score: 1

      For the slashdot effect to work people need to be interested in going to the link.

      Maybe instead you should link them to, say, Natilie Portman, naked, petrified, and covered with hot grits. :-)

      Hot grits??? You've been around here too long... What we need is a beowulf cluster of these slimeballs from Chicago at the bottom of the sea.

    4. Re:Slashdot effect.... by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 1

      How do you mod "+1 Inciteful" ?

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  54. Slashdot Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  55. sudo ping -f www.jonesday.com by fsterman · · Score: 1

    sudo ping -f www.jonesday.com

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    1. Re:sudo ping -f www.jonesday.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to sudo in order to run ping?

    2. Re:sudo ping -f www.jonesday.com by MadMidnightBomber · · Score: 1

      You realise that is going to knock YOU off the net for the duration, not jonesday, right? (Hint, you probably have a 512kbps uplink, or something, where as most websites will have much bigger downlinks.)

      I don't know whether to flame you for being unethical or just really dumb.

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  56. Re:Jones Day 0, Slashdot crowd 1.000.000.000 by andy.ruddock · · Score: 1

    Except that there's no argument about whether the gate's open or not. Just you trying to force people to walk down the path in the manner of your choosing.

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  57. Autodialer by fsterman · · Score: 1

    Anyone still have a war dialer hanging about?

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    Is there anything better than clicking through Microsoft ads on Slashdot?
  58. Hypertext links topics by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

    If linking "jonesday.com" (and presumably "Jones Day" or similar) to their site address is OK, then that's absolutely fine. Hyperlinks are supposed to describe what they link to, so unless they're abusing the standards, that's not a problem.

    So essentially this is about deep linking.

  59. in simple terms by marafa · · Score: 0

    hmm.. to put it succintly for these lawyer types:

        booo!!!

    or maybe even

        jones, you've been a bad boy, go stand in the corner!

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    _ In Egypt Networks: Network Solutions with a Twist
  60. Re:Jones Day 0, Slashdot crowd 1.000.000.000 by Haeleth · · Score: 1

    Except that you're just wrong. If I open the gate to my yard for my friends to walk through, you still can't crash my party.

    That's because it would be trespass: even if the gate is open, you are still entering clearly-demarked private property.

    That does not bear the slightest relation to deep linking, which in this case involves linking to a page that is explicitly intended to be accessible to the general public.

    The equivalent would be, for example, if you invited me to a party but insisted I tread on your doorstep on the way in, and then sued me when I stepped over it instead.

  61. Re:Jones Day 1, Slashdot crowd 0 by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    Like it's not possible to supply the "referrer" in the link you post?

    It's "Referer". Capital R, and I know it's misspelled -- that is how the HTTP header was originally misspelled, and it has stuck.

    And it has nothing to do with me supplying it. It is automatically supplied by every user who clicks through. It lets your server know that they came from my server, and not from somewhere else on your website.

    It is pretty much a one-line fix to protect a resource from being linked to directly, without going through your site.

    Hey, thanks for the public domain code, guy, I'm sorry if you didn't prevent me from linking around your license agreement.

    Except, you didn't.

    I mean, I thought for a moment you were from this firm, being an AC who doesn't know the first thing about technology or the Web -- but it looks as though you also don't know the first thing about the law, either.

    Lack of a license doesn't imply public domain, at least not in the US. Instead, it implies automatic copyright, all rights reserved. This is why various licenses like the GPL actually do not take away rights -- they provide them.

    Yeah, I know that nude picture of your boyfriend was supposed to be password protected, but unfortunately, I'm clever

    It's unlikely anyone here except you would be stupid enough to hide private information in the URL, rather than employing simple access controls. Some basic HTTP Auth, and you can't deep-link it without at least providing a password -- one which can be revoked.

    this is what should happen

    Startups should be raped with legal fees for daring to link to stuff that is actually on the public record?

    If you have some right to link, against my permission, shouldn't that right be vindicated in court

    Possibly. Notice how there wasn't actually a judgment made -- the judge just refused to dismiss the case, and warned that the startup would have to spend quite a lot of money to defend themselves. That does make him an asshole, but it doesn't actually constitute legal precedent.

    So, even if you believe it should be proven in court -- while I think it's kind of self-evident that it should be legal, in the same way as specifying paragraph three on page two hundred ninety six of a particular edition of The Great Gatsby is plainly legal citation -- I still don't see how having the case settled out of court due to sheer intimidation is what "should happen", by your logic or any other.

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  62. slashdot effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  63. In my opinion they're douche bags by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

    So I might as well do what they dislike the most.

    click to find out if there is a picture of a butt bandit here

  64. Sue me by theskunkmonkey · · Score: 1

    http://www.stuipidprize.com/Jones+Day

    I wonder how they'll like that showing up in searches.

  65. Awesome by nog_lorp · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a cool firm. Check it:

    Sherwin-Williams Company, The
    State of Rhode Island v. Lead Industries Association, Inc., et al.
    The Rhode Island Supreme Court rejects the Stateâ(TM)s public nuisance claim seeking the abatement of lead paint in buildings by Sherwin-Williams and other former lead pigment manufacturers.

    Awesome.

  66. LOL. He's now the words ranked judge on the site by lalena · · Score: 3, Interesting
    25 straight rankings of all 1's today and he is now the lowest ranked judge on that web site.

    Go to the site's home page to see the top and bottom 10 judges: http://www.therobingroom.com/

  67. How to link on Slashdot by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

    Thx, I will make this comment so I can find it easily in my "My Comments" page :D

    --
    This is the sig that says NI (again)
  68. Spectacular own goal? by Bozovision · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lawyers are paid for their knowledge, judgement and advice. I'm not in the market at the moment, but as an occasional purchaser of legal services, the fact that Jones Day would pursue this claim in this way indicates a lack of sound judgement. If I were looking for a lawyer, I would be thinking - "If they are as clueless about the real world as the reporting on this case suggests, in acting for themselves, then how could they be trusted to give sensible advice to others?" Jones Day have thousands of lawyers, and of course this case is one of thousands that I expect that they are currently involved in, but how could their review team have let this carry on to its conclusion? Incorrect risk analysis on their part? No risk analysis? Could reporting on this be incorrect?

    I understand that nobody enjoys information that they consider to be private to be put into the public domain, and that part of the problem is that the internet removes the half-way house that publication on paper provided - semi-public by way of obscurity - that they lacked tools to redact the information, but I'm not sure that this is a good reason for a trademark claim. Perhaps a spokesperson from Jones Day would like to give some background on their decision making and the way that they pursued their claim to provide balance to the commentary.

    1. Re:Spectacular own goal? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

      Lawyers are paid for their knowledge, judgement and advice. I'm not in the market at the moment, but as an occasional purchaser of legal services, the fact that Jones Day would pursue this claim in this way indicates a lack of sound judgement. If I were looking for a lawyer, I would be thinking - "If they are as clueless about the real world as the reporting on this case suggests, in acting for themselves, then how could they be trusted to give sensible advice to others?" Jones Day have thousands of lawyers, and of course this case is one of thousands that I expect that they are currently involved in, but how could their review team have let this carry on to its conclusion? Incorrect risk analysis on their part? No risk analysis? Could reporting on this be incorrect? I understand that nobody enjoys information that they consider to be private to be put into the public domain, and that part of the problem is that the internet removes the half-way house that publication on paper provided - semi-public by way of obscurity - that they lacked tools to redact the information, but I'm not sure that this is a good reason for a trademark claim. Perhaps a spokesperson from Jones Day would like to give some background on their decision making and the way that they pursued their claim to provide balance to the commentary.

      Good point. I would never recommend using a firm like that.

      --
      Ray Beckerman +5 Insightful
  69. Streisand Effect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought that was when someone sues for privacy but the publicity of the case guarantees that no privacy is possible. It's an amusing ironic twist against people obsessed with their own privacy.

    It appear that the firm in question is defending their trademark, not their privacy.

  70. New link for Jones Day by augahyde · · Score: 1
  71. Re:Jones Day 1, Slashdot crowd 0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See, modded up despite legal errors.

    "Whoever intentionally accesses a computer without authorization or exceeds authorized access, and thereby obtains information from any protected computer if the conduct involved an interstate or foreign communication shall be punished as provided in subsection (c) of this section."

    "the term âoeprotected computerâ means a computer... which is used in interstate or foreign commerce or communication, including a computer located outside the United States that is used in a manner that affects interstate or foreign commerce or communication of the United States"

    How does that language not cover a URL?

  72. People need to fight back by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

    Freedom is never easy. People have to fight for it. It's as simple as that. The idiots who brought this lawsuit would have lost had the defendant stayed in the game.

    --
    Ray Beckerman +5 Insightful
    1. Re:People need to fight back by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

      One unfortunate part of our legal system is that a behemoth can currently smother an opponent with money whether they're right or not.

    2. Re:People need to fight back by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

      One unfortunate part of our legal system is that a behemoth can currently smother an opponent with money whether they're right or not.

      That is quite true. The American Bar Association's Judges Journal -- the association's quarterly publication for the judges section -- asked me to write an article last year about how, because of the economic imbalance, the defendants did not have "equal access to justice" in the RIAA cases, entitled "Large Recording Companies vs. The Defenseless : Some Common Sense Solutions to the Challenges of the RIAA Litigations".

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      Ray Beckerman +5 Insightful
  73. Please turn off nofollow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Please, please turn off nofollow for this story.

    1. Re:Please turn off nofollow! by kimvette · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points today.

      I for one will be linking to their site with the string "ambulance chasers"

      --
      The Christian Right is Neither (Christian nor right). See: Matthew 23, Matthew 25, Ezekiel 16:48-50
  74. Not a lot to be honest.. by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    Unless someone registers the domain in a hurry ...

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    --- I am known for the ones who want to find me on the net. Is that a privacy risk or a privilege? One might wonder..
  75. trademark? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe the trademark can be invalidated? I mean they've indicated they're willing to go against the little guy--but I thought a requirement of owning a trademark was actually defending it... And since they're asserting the right to control use of it in a hyperlink-- shouldn't they then also be forced to explain why they haven't defended against the use by google, yahoo, jeeves, and every other search engine that also hyperlinks to them?

    Heck--give them their trademark. Just pull them off every search engine on the internet (they asked for it--literally) so they get the control they've asked for. And while they're at it, it looks like ICANN is using their name in DNS records. Better pull that record while we're at it. Of course--that violates policy, so the domain name will need to be canned entirely...

    And while I'm at it--I bet sending emails requires use of the name too. I'll have to configure my mailserver to drop traffic to avoid reproducing the name in my logfiles... And shit...if they send me something, the name will be reproduced in my firewall log, mailspool, and email client--crap--I'm going to have to blackhole their name entirely... but that'll still need logs. I guess the only solution is to RBL them off entirely...

  76. Re:Jones Day 1, Slashdot crowd 0 by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

    Are you really that stupid? If you can link to something on the web, then it's been published to the web. Publishing something == authorizing access unless you protect it somehow. Don't want that naked picture of you to get out? Don't publish it!

  77. Re:Jones Day 1, Slashdot crowd 0 by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

    The only way it could cover a URL is if that URL somehow bypassed authorization for a site.

  78. Re:Use of http protocol should be copyleft license by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

    I like where you're going with that. Unfortunately, it's not that simple. Something like a protocol doesn't fit under copyright. It would be a patent thing. The clause would have to be in the copyright of the software that implements the protocol and you've already got so many http servers out there that it would be pretty impossible to get them all to set this up.

  79. I dont get whether these people are stupid or not by unity100 · · Score: 1

    are those idiots who sue internet presences for bullshitty reasons aware that, the moment they come up and show their animosity against the values of internet, they are making themselves a prime target for all major league hackers and junior league wannabees around the world, instantly ?

    do they think they will be able to sue down unidentifiable major league hackers, say, in germany for example, when out of their annoyance they make that shiney website of them have 50% downtime, or even infiltrate their corporate network and bust their files ?

    or a chinese wannabee ddosing the server that their site runs on into oblivion ?

    it seems to me that many corporations are yet not aware that internet, web is a LIVE environment in which you are always in front of the eyes of the public. and public's perception of you, can make you, or break you in many ways.

  80. Just wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just wait until YOU are featured on that site. Than come back and preach about changing things that you don't like.

    1. Re:Just wait by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      There's plenty of stuff on-line that I wish wasn't there. There's posts I wrote when I was 12 that made perfect sense at the time, but a decade later aren't so intelligent sounding. There's flame-wars I was in at 15 where I was obviously immature and refused to relinquish the point. There's stuff when I was 17 where I talk about using file sharing services like napster. Even just a few years ago, when I was in school and I got depressed and philosophical watching people who weren't making sacrifices seeming happy while I suffered through one of the hardest programs you can take, I wrote some terrible things about people that are there for everyone to see.

      I haven't sued a single one of them.

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      It's been a long time.
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  84. Re:Jones Day 1, Slashdot crowd 0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    URL somehow bypassed authorization for a site
     
    What are you talking about? Authorization is something that has to be given, otherwise it's meaningless. You need a class in statutory construction. Do you think it reads 'anyone who accesses after being advised that their access is forbidden'?
     
    Maybe you're thinking that you're authorized merely because the computer is connected to the internet? No, that's why the offense is intentionally accessing a computer without authorization.

  85. Missing the Privacy Aspect of it All by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As I see it, Blockshopper.com offends every property owner's privacy by making Blockshopper's databases assessable and archiveable by Google and other websites. They go several steps further than other real estate sites such as Zillow.com in that Blockshopper actually lists the names of the buyers and sellers. For most people, this will mean their personal residence!

    Then look at Blockshopper's other transgression against people's privacy...their "news articles." Blockshopper singles out people whom they can somehow track on the web for their "news pieces". If you're unfortunate to have a name that is fairly unique, and you have something about you posted on the web, you become fair game to them. They will post your name, the other party's name, the transaction amount, transaction date, property address, Goolgle map that pinpoints the property address, and if available, lift your picture or biography off another website and post it in their article about YOU. What does this mean if you're the home buyer? It means Blockshopper will post your NAME(s), ADDRESS, how much you paid, and give a Google map that pinpoints YOUR house!

    How would YOU like it if your employers, clients, potential clients, friends and anyone who knows how to enter your name in a search engine can easily stumble upon how much you purchased or sold a your home, or a piece of real estate for with just a Google search?

    Being a matter of public record is one thing. Making public record google-able and so easy for everyone to see is completely something else.

    The Jones Day attorneys probably fell victim to BlockShopper's news articles and unfortuately, they were only able to stop BlockShopper's use of the link to the Jones Day website.

    1. Re:Missing the Privacy Aspect of it All by demonrob · · Score: 1

      agree. (why isnt this modded higher?) blockshopper are an evil service. just because jonesday are evil too doesn't makeup for blockshopper being evil as well.

  86. Tip of the Iceberg? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems to me that if Jones Day was this upset about identification of public information about one of their attorneys, perhaps thou doth protest too much?

    Some Conspiracy Theorist might think Jones Day is hiding even more embarrassing, or possibly improper information and/or behaviour. Some crack-pot investigator might even look for improprieties potentially damaging to Jones Day or the attorney in question.

    Not that there is anything, mind you, but certainly someone is crazy enough to think so...

  87. No-follow is only for TFA submitter, not comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  88. Corrupt Chicago Judge typical of Chicago politics by lpq · · Score: 1

    Sounds like another shining example of Chicago (and Illinois) corrupt politics. Interestingly, it seems much of it can be traced back to organized crime getting its fingers into government during prohibition. Obama, in some ways, seems to have skirted much of the "Machine's" corruption -- time will tell if he'll continue the same corruption and violence causing prohibition that was redirected to Cannabis, or if he'll considering ending another major financial force of corruption that may end up toppling Mexico's government. The worst example of Mexico's government failing before their organized crime: last week a chief of police had to resign to comply with a blackmail request by Drug Lords, who were executing 2 cops every other day until he resigned. It was either after the 4th or 2nd death that he decided to give in -- they are unable to protect there own police force, let alone deal with the prohibition caused crime there.

  89. report bad Judges in your state by wallydallas · · Score: 1

    For Oregon the office to report Judge misconduct is http://www.ojd.state.or.us/aboutus/cjfd/index.htm I bet there is one for Illinois. File a report even if you think it will not help. Can someone forward this to the folks who wound up in court and to the legal staff at EFF. I had a judge ignore the rule of law in lower court and I later won on Appeal with only a written brief, no oral argument needed. In addition to his disregard for the rule of law, he was on transcript for cutting me off and declaring me guilty before I could finish any statement. I quote him "let me clue you in" and telling me if the cops tell me to do something ( turns out it was illegal ) I had "better do it or wind up back in court". Judges, Lawyers and cops are all in a close circle and they all look out for each other. I'd post more links if I thought it was safe here.

  90. Re:Jones Day 1, Slashdot crowd 0 by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

    You keep neglecting the fact that this is all available via HTTP, which is a method of _publication_. Publication implies authorization. How can this escape you?