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New Laser System Targets Mosquitoes

An anonymous reader writes "In the Cold War the so-called 'Star Wars defense system' proposed using lasers to destroy incoming Soviet missiles. In a 2007 brainstorming session aimed at combating malaria, Dr. Lowell Wood, the architect of that system, proposed modifying his original idea to kill mosquitoes. The cover of today's Wall Street Journal contains an article that highlights this initiative as well as a few others, like using a giant flashlight to disrupt mosquitoes' vision and using the insects to vaccinate, in the war against malaria. The system is intelligent enough to avoid noncombatants like humans and butterflies and can even tell the difference between females, the blood-drinkers, and males. My favorite quote: 'We'd be delighted if we destabilize the human-mosquito balance of power.'"

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  1. First post? by mrwolf007 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Everyone else got hit by lasers?

    1. Re:First post? by thrillseeker · · Score: 5, Funny

      Caution ... do not look into mosquito killing device with remaining eye.

    2. Re:First post? by hador_nyc · · Score: 1

      Someone should have told Hannibal!

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    3. Re:First post? by Barryke · · Score: 1

      (sorry about hitchhiking this post)

      Comedy video: TellSell selling this as a product.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSIWpFPkYrk

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    4. Re:First post? by fractoid · · Score: 1

      I've wanted to do something like this for years, the only thing that stops me exactly that - any focussed radiation powerful enough to pop a mosquito would do worse to my retina.

      I'd guess focussed sound would be a better option, use 3-4 heavy duty subwoofers, phased so that they interfere constructively to produce a massive pressure spike where your mozzie is flying.

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  2. Interesting system... by Millennium · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...but where are you supposed to keep the sharks?

    1. Re:Interesting system... by internerdj · · Score: 4, Funny

      Your moat. It isn't an evil lair if you don't have a moat. You are the kind of guy who tells the hero your plans after capturing him aren't you?

    2. Re:Interesting system... by JCSoRocks · · Score: 1

      What if your moat is filled with liquid hot magma!? Uh hahahaha... muah HAHAHA... etc...

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    3. Re:Interesting system... by gilleain · · Score: 3, Funny

      Then you have to genetically engineer lava-sharks to put your lasers on.

    4. Re:Interesting system... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I suppose you could breed Shark Boy and Lava Girl...wait...are they siblings? Is this Kentucky? Lava Sharks with low IQs and extra fins, anyone?

    5. Re:Interesting system... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      You are using English. Please learn the difference between loose and lose; they're, there, and their; your and you're.

      Certainly. I wouldn't want loose grammar to lose an audience; they're there for their purposes, you're quite right.

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  3. And then? by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm a little concerned by this. Suppose you disrupt the vision of mosquitoes. If it turns out to have permanent effects on the mosquitoes, they'll be easy prey for predators. Fewer mosquitoes... but then perhaps fewer predators, or more pressure on other potential prey. Suddenly other species go unchecked or apex predators have less food because that ecological niche filled by mosquitoes is empty. Am I the only one who thinks that humans need to stop fucking around the with the order of things and deal with it? Finding a cure for malaria (in our own bodies, which we're at liberty to fuck with) makes a lot more sense than disrupting ecosystems that were doing perfectly fine before we came along.

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    1. Re:And then? by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You've obviously never been kept awake all night by a mosquito that, every time you start nodding off, buzzes past your ear! I have. Even if there were no threat of malaria, I'd still be saying "Die you annoying little buzzing mother-fuckers! Die! Die! Die!" How 'bout if we set the lasers up over water to fry the little 6-legged bastards and then let fish eat them... don't you think the fish would appreciate a freshly cooked meal for a change?

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    2. Re:And then? by CyprusBlue113 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed, we were much better off when rats roamed the streets unchecked. Think of the poor snakes!

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    3. Re:And then? by maxume · · Score: 1

      You need to try to imagine more mosquitoes. A hell of a lot more.

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    4. Re:And then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Am I the only one who thinks that humans need to stop fucking around the with the order of things and deal with it?

      Nope, but then again we're part of that ecosystem and our goal is to thrive within it often at the expense of other species. I'm not saying we shouldn't ask the questions you're asking in an effort to avoid unintended consequences but to automatically assume that we shouldn't shape the ecosystem to our needs is a bit silly. What we want to avoid is damaging ourselves through damaging the ecosystem.

    5. Re:And then? by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, instead of just disrupting her vision with a laser, I divorced her...

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    6. Re:And then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Although bats and Purple Martins can be prodigious consumers of insects, many of which are pests, less than 1% of their diet typically consists of mosquitoes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosquito

      There are no known mosquito predators that eat only mosquitoes.

    7. Re:And then? by roc97007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I understand what you're saying, -- seriously, we would probably agree on a lot of things -- but where mosquitoes are a real health hazard, there tend not to be adequate predators. The two issues kind-of go hand in hand.

      It's much easier to have these concerns in a first world country where the issue has been controlled. I hope you appreciate that someone living in the Sahel may feel differently.

      I'm a little concerned that we'll reach a point where we tell a third world country, where significant numbers of people are dying of malaria, "We have this technology that will make a profound difference in the mosquito vector, but we're not going to allow you to use it because we're concerned about potential, but as-yet unspecified damage to your environment. Hope the fever gets better."

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    8. Re:And then? by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Informative

      > Am I the only one who thinks that humans need to stop fucking around the with the order
      > of things and deal with it?

      Unfortunately, no.

      > Finding a cure for malaria (in our own bodies, which we're at liberty to fuck with)

      But then we won't be able to transmit it to mosquitos, which are also negatively affected by it. More mosquitos... but then pressure on other prey. Suddenly other species go extinct or apex predators populations explode because that of the oversupply of mosquitos.

      The same argument can be applied to many diseases. Obviously, we must stop trying to control disease and just learn to deal with it.

      Get this through your head: there is no "order of things." God/Gaia/Mother Nature does not exist and never did. Eden never happened.

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    9. Re:And then? by barc0001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Permanent effects? I hope this system has permanent effects on the mosquitos, and that permanent effect is they fucking die. There are TRILLIONS of the goddamn things on this planet. Carving out a bunch of yard sized pockets where the little bloodsuckers can't go without meeting hot laser death is not going to make even the slightest dent in their overall population. Even if these systems blanketed every urban area on the planet, we'd probably still only nail 2% of them. Species wise, that's a rounding error on a census.

    10. Re:And then? by Samschnooks · · Score: 1

      Would someone think of the bats! Think of the poor little cut cuddly starving bats!

    11. Re:And then? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't normally advocate genocide (after the first cup of coffee), but when it comes to mosquitos I find it hard to come up with compelling arguments against.

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    12. Re:And then? by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      Aren't there cases where we need to sometimes give nature a 'helping hand'. Can't think of any atm, but I'm sure I remember something.

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    13. Re:And then? by vlm · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm a little concerned that we'll reach a point where we tell a third world country, where significant numbers of people are dying of malaria, "We have this technology that will make a profound difference in the mosquito vector, but we're not going to allow you to use it because we're concerned about potential, but as-yet unspecified damage to your environment. Hope the fever gets better"

      For a good time, search and replace cute and cuddly mosquitoes with civilian nuclear power.

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    14. Re:And then? by Chees0rz · · Score: 5, Funny

      You've obviously never been to Maine. I am willing to take the risk so that I can go camping in the summer time!
      Now that I've moved out to California- whenever I hear "It's buggy"- I just have to laugh.
      You don't know "buggy" until you've seen a giant mosquito eat a small child... in fact...

      THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

    15. Re:And then? by Devout_IPUite · · Score: 2, Informative

      Which is why I say we wipe em out.

    16. Re:And then? by quarterbuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have no idea about the scale of the problem if you have not lived in Tropical areas. There are way more mosquitoes in the swamps/forests and preying on animals than are there in homes. We can install one of these laser doohickeys in every home and we still will have killed only a fraction of all mosquitoes in the world.

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    17. Re:And then? by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

      Is that you, Pleakly ?

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    18. Re:And then? by vlm · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't normally advocate genocide (after the first cup of coffee), but when it comes to mosquitos I find it hard to come up with compelling arguments against.

      How bout the genocide of the cute and cuddly smallpox virus? Poor defenseless mother earth once again at the mercy of evil scientists, especially those horrible exploiting capitalists.

      I'm sure we can keep some mosquitoes in a liquid nitrogen freezer just in case... until they escape, anyway...

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    19. Re:And then? by Camann · · Score: 1

      Yes, think of the snakes! What will they eat now?

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    20. Re:And then? by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or consider DDT in the very same War on (Some) Malaria.

    21. Re:And then? by Creepy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      or the Dragonflies, and they are thinking of them by avoiding the male mosquitoes. If you think mosquito SDI will even have a tiny impact on their population, move somewhere like northern Wisconsin or pretty much anywhere in Minnesota during a rainy summer. Your mini laser will probably burn out its barrel just nailing a small percentage of the females.

    22. Re:And then? by MartinSchou · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Pet peeve, but technically 1/1 is a fraction. I.e. killing a fraction of all mosquitoes would kill them all where $fraction = 1/1.

      A small or tiny fraction - now that's different :)

      Sorry - buried in math at the moment

    23. Re:And then? by dickeya · · Score: 1

      Damn straight! I too moved from Maine to California and readily praise the buglessness.

      Alas, poor children :(

    24. Re:And then? by thedonger · · Score: 1

      What if the mosquito population is actually a symptom for a deeper problem? This solution may be the equivalent of sewing up the skin where a compound fracture broke through without setting the bone.

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    25. Re:And then? by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 4, Funny

      You need to try to imagine more mosquitoes. A hell of a lot more.

      Well, insects seem to be able to find a way to make a comeback each time we mess with them. I for one do not want to see what a infrared vision, laser resistant mosquito would be like...

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    26. Re:And then? by einhverfr · · Score: 1

      I am actually far more worried about human safety stuff. You REALLY don't want to have satellites shining lethal lasers on mosquitos. The only justification for such a system is a battlefield weapons platform for use against soldiers (blinding, etc), or against high-flying aircraft. The atmosphere will distort the beam also making this sort of thing.... unusuable for disease control.

      So if you have a ground-based system you still have a lot of safety issues, and limited utility. This is not a technology I would want to support.

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    27. Re:And then? by biocute · · Score: 3, Funny

      Screw the snakes.

      In this economy climate, how many Pied Pipers will be laid off?

    28. Re:And then? by nametaken · · Score: 1

      Amen.

      Not to mention, it would be nice to do it with a laser, kill them off cleanly and locally, and STOP putting bricks of poison in our ponds, sewers, yards, etc.

      Sounds like a nice trade-off, no?

    29. Re:And then? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      To hell with mosquitoes.. go to northern canada. I wish I had a shotgun to deal with the black flies up there.

      They make the mosquitoes in equator areas seem like friendly ladybugs.

      Gimmie a 4Kw laser that will kill without mercy anything flying and smaller than a 1/2 inch.

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    30. Re:And then? by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 3, Funny

      But what if the broken bone is a symptom of a deeper problem? There may be a man with a baseball bat swinging at the patient when he sees blood.

      Also, what if the patient has no arms? What exactly are you sewing up then, huh?

    31. Re:And then? by ChrisMP1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mathematically, yes, but non-mathematically, fraction implies fracture, i.e. breakage. You can't break something into only one piece.

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    32. Re:And then? by maxume · · Score: 1

      Stealthy?

      Worry more about bed bugs. They have hit the first world again, and they are spreading.

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    33. Re:And then? by mellestad · · Score: 1

      I am pretty sure people are working on cures...but in the meantime why not save lives while we can? I think the hypothetical question you raise, while valid, does not stand up against the weight of human lives.

    34. Re:And then? by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1

      Actually, I used to live in Thailand. I would get an allergic reaction to mosquito bites that caused any bitten areas to swell up terribly. I'm no friend to mosquitoes, believe you me - if we could wipe them out without any consequences I'd say do it, just like small pox. But just be very very sure before you press the big red button.

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    35. Re:And then? by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1

      'Deal' as in 'put up with'. Apologies if you don't understand Australian lingo. Crikey.

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    36. Re:And then? by Windows_NT · · Score: 1

      yea, 'think of the mosquitos' doesnt work for me. kill em all. Im all for using a trillion dollars to create death lasers, and then modifying the shark species to fly so we can mount them.
      i think the second good reason is killing mosquitos. the first is the flying sharks with fricken laser beams!

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    37. Re:And then? by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1

      Installing lasers everywhere doesn't sound a lot like A) restoring natural predator populations, B) reducing human/prey presence, C) discovering the unknown cause. It doesn't sound like 'reversing damage' so much as treating problematic symptoms for your own convenience, while ignoring possibly legitimate causes that you've mentioned (eg, other things we're fucking up in the ecosystem). If you want to stop living in nature, I suggest you move to a city if you haven't already done so.

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    38. Re:And then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The only bad thing i can think of is that professional bicyclists will get even skinnier, mosquitos are probably their biggest source of protein.

    39. Re:And then? by macbuzz01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The key word there is "known". in not to recent history (early 1900's) the pituitary gland was thought to be useless. Time and science proved otherwise. I'd rather leave the mosquitoes alone.

    40. Re:And then? by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1

      That's an interesting strawman argument - suggesting that a dislike of human intervention in ecosystems implies some sort of earth mother goddess-esque quasi-religious outlook - so interesting, in fact, that I don't feel I need to bother spending the effort to refute it. As pertains to diseases, oversight groups test and test and test and make sure there are no side-effects to what is being done. If you really believe you understand biology well enough to wipe our a disease or wipe out mosquitoes without unexpected complications, go for it. In human pharmacology, though, we have the advantage of being able to conduct clinical trials and repeat experiments over and over to find out what possible complications might arise. With the earth, there's one patient and no controls.

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    41. Re:And then? by ydrol · · Score: 1

      Just think in 1000 insect generations, mosquito's will have reflective wings.

    42. Re:And then? by goofyspouse · · Score: 1

      As a former resident of northern Minnesota, I can vouch for this. I would not want that repair bill OR that electric bill.

    43. Re:And then? by DamienNightbane · · Score: 1

      Small child? You should see the ones in Texas! I've seen a mosquito eat a fully grown adult and still have room for his dog!

    44. Re:And then? by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1

      Been there, done that. Went on a field trip to visit malaria research lab in Thailand (and got to inject malaria mosquitoes with test chemical stuff, yay!). Do I advocate not stopping malaria? Of course not. But I do think we should think carefully about what we do before interfering with ecosystems, cus, you know, we have such a great track record of that. It'll all end in tears and frozen gorillas.

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    45. Re:And then? by raddan · · Score: 1

      That is indeed important to keep in mind. However, we must also remember that municipalities presently spray the fuck out of their neighborhoods to kill these things, taking down entire ecosystems with them. So lasers might actually be an improvement-- in Maine, for example, they banned spraying for black flies a couple years ago. As a result, freshwater fish stocks are way up. A system like this could be localized, protecting just your house, for instance.

      It's funny, though-- as an avid outdoorsman, I've fantasized about such a system for a long time. I would love to see mosquitoes go down in flames. Dear inventors, please include horseflies in your plans!

    46. Re:And then? by HardWoodWorker · · Score: 1

      Fortunately, this is a local and not a global situation. This would affect the mosquitoes near the laser, but none that are out of "line of sight." It's far less devastating than spraying with DDT or other chemicals. I see this as a great innovation and look forward to less mosquito bites when sitting on my deck.

    47. Re:And then? by corbettw · · Score: 1

      As my son's fifth grade math textbook points out, that's an irregular fraction and should not be confused with an actual fraction.

      You might want to avoid going on a certain gameshow.

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    48. Re:And then? by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Funny

      That wasn't a Texas mosquito. That was a Canadian mosquito that rode down on a goose to get away from the big ones back home.

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    49. Re:And then? by robinesque · · Score: 1

      Key word 'known'. Also maybe that 1% provides essential aminos they have a hard time finding elsewhere.

    50. Re:And then? by Onymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      The permanent effect is that you'll be sieving mosquitoes towards being silver.

    51. Re:And then? by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 1

      ...how many Pied Pipers will be laid off?

      All the ones that the feds can't catch. Or so I hope.

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    52. Re:And then? by techess · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wasps unfortunately do have a purpose. They eat/kill the larvae of plant damaging bugs. We had a really bad infestation of Japanese Beetles in the farms around my place a few years ago and the best way to get rid of them was to release a bunch of wasps. It did help get the population down without chemicals or losing a bunch of crops. Unfortunately it sucked to be outside that year. No BBQ's at my place.

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    53. Re:And then? by CesiumFrog · · Score: 1

      It's true that wiping out mosquitoes could be a cascading ecological catastrophic (consider how many species directly depend on aquatic mosquito larvae at some point in their own life cycle), but this device is an ideal solution because it only blocks mosquitoes from feeding specifically on humans (without affecting those mosquitoes in wild habitats).

    54. Re:And then? by dakameleon · · Score: 1

      I'd rather leave the mosquitoes alone.

      As long as they leave me & my family alone, I'll leave them alone too. Until that day, it's on.

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    55. Re:And then? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Bingo! You take the prize, sir!

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    56. Re:And then? by SanguineV · · Score: 2, Insightful

      THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

      A laser child zapper?! Sign me up!

    57. Re:And then? by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      I think you might be missing the scale of the deployment... when I get my mosquito frying laser battery, it will operate 24/7 on 1/2 acre in my back yard, killing millions of mosquitoes a year, in that 1/2 acre. I might make a slight depression in the population of 5-10 acres nearby. The 7000 acres of wetland park a few miles from my house won't feel any effects at all.

      If you're worried about the natural order of things, worry about my cat. She kills more "apex predators" in my yard than a lack of mosquitoes ever could.

      What I really need (after the uber-cool laser shishkebab) is a nano-bot army to kill the chiggers without a bunch of nasty chemicals.

    58. Re:And then? by Firndeloth · · Score: 1

      "Survival of the fittest" is an inaccurate phrasing of how natural selection works. Mutation is the least important of the mechanics of evolution, and the slowest. That said, immunity to lasers is more likely to appear in squirrels first.

    59. Re:And then? by Firndeloth · · Score: 1

      I must say, I am astounded by the logical skill with which you dismiss such clearly impossible entities as Gaia, the greek Goddess that is the planet beneath us, and yet find no similar reasons to dismiss the more recent Monotheistic god that not only is and made the planet beneath us, but is in and the creator of everything else too. Stunning logical coherence, my friend. There are plenty of religious denominations that follow the main monotheistic themes yet believe that the will of Allah or God, or such is played out around us and is not to be trifled with. Sometimes this means "Thou Shalt Not Meddle" and sometimes it just means "Thou Shalt Go With It, and Feel Groovy," the latter meaning you can go with technology, too, and hang with the Zeitgeist. They may not be the most common interpretations ... but that doesn't make them less valid from an outside perspective. This is faith, not logic. Eastern ideas are no less correct than Western, Ancient Greek no less than modern American. Faith is not a matter of correctness or reality ... it is a matter of personal expectation with respect to the unknown. There is nothing "clear" about the non-existence of anything, let alone of a spiritual, ephemeral or religious entity like Gaia.

    60. Re:And then? by Stephen+Ma · · Score: 1
      I'm no friend to mosquitoes, believe you me - if we could wipe them out without any consequences I'd say do it, just like small pox. But just be very very sure before you press the big red button.

      We could save the mosquito DNA, then wipe them out. Then we could resurrect them if their absence turns out to be a problem.

    61. Re:And then? by daver00 · · Score: 1

      Um, yes you can, you just divide it into 1... duh dude.

    62. Re:And then? by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      Oh, there is an order of things, and it sucks. We are supposed to live 30 years inthe wilderness and to lose half of our children. Screw the natural order. Let's not fuck everything around, but leading an illness like malaria to extinction (like we did for smallpox) is perfectly ok for me.

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    63. Re:And then? by Zebedeu · · Score: 1

      It's much easier to have these concerns in a first world country where the issue has been controlled. I hope you appreciate that someone living in the Sahel may feel differently.

      I find the image of a poor family house in Africa equipped with moskitto-killing automated lasers while families in western countries are using flyswatters funny.

    64. Re:And then? by OolimPhon · · Score: 1

      Not a clever idea. The main food of wasps is other insects, usually the pest varieties. Leave them alone, and they will leave you alone. If you let them get into your house, catch them and put them outside again. I find an old yoghurt pot and a piece of card is adequate for the task.

      If the outside of your house is blanketed by wasps, I assume your house is made of wood. The wasps are getting wood pulp to make paper to build their nests with. Treat your wood with something that will make the wasps go elsewhere.

    65. Re:And then? by Smidgin · · Score: 1

      Well, insects seem to be able to find a way to make a comeback each time we mess with them. I for one do not want to see what a infrared vision, laser resistant mosquito would be like...

      Especially if we're using comic book rules. After being exposed to lasers, they'll gain laser powers (and maybe spandex outfits). Mosquitoes are already annoying enough, imagine if they could also shine laser beams around your eyes.

    66. Re:And then? by duckInferno · · Score: 1

      You speak as if humans aren't part of nature. Just because we're powerful doesn't mean we're not allowed to act in our own interests.

      Mosquitos are the biggest human killers in all of history. They've killed more humans than all of our wars combined. If the Five-Toed Wheezing Slug dies off because of the eradication of mosquitos, so be it.

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    67. Re:And then? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      > I find the image of a poor family house in Africa equipped with moskitto-killing automated lasers while families in western countries are using flyswatters funny.

      Well, if you consider that flies in California are an annoyance, but the mosquitoes in Mali can kill you, it makes better sense.

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    68. Re:And then? by tabrnaker · · Score: 1
      You must be new to western society! Let me show you around.

      First, don't ask any questions. Symptoms do not indicate any underlying problems, and definitely not something under our own control! Heaven forbid! No, everything is out of your control, it isn't your fault, there is nothing in your power you can do.

      Symptoms are just nuisances that we can cover up with pills and technology. See, nothing to worry! Didn't i tell you, don't ask questions, here watch this pretty box with moving pictures.

    69. Re:And then? by tabrnaker · · Score: 1
      You ever think, that just maybe, the weak deserve to die? Mother nature builds in a safety catch to ensure survival of the fittest and to aid us in evolving, and we'd rather keep our rejects and spread their genes throughout our population.

      americans have already 'evolved' to be the fattest and sickest people on the planet. Isn't that nice? There's something seriously wrong with a culture when the byproducts of that culture are the number one leading causes of death in that culture. Cosmic joke here we come!!

      Ah, i can't wait for the day that the sun fries all our electronics. I wonder where all the chaos and death will be?

  4. Cost/Benefit? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    TFA is a bit thin on details, I wonder how the performance of this system compares to one of the numerous CO2+odor attractant trapping systems already in use. Frickin lasers(pew pew pew) are certainly cooler; but the whole exercise is rather silly if a simple mechanical system that runs on propane and pheromones is more efficient.

    1. Re:Cost/Benefit? by ProppaT · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would think you'd need quite a jolt to kill a mosquito too, especially in laser form. What would the electricity bill be on this thing just to shoot down some mosquitoes? Hell, screw that, give me a laser system to kill carpenter bees and you have yourself a sale.

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    2. Re:Cost/Benefit? by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Especially bearing in mind the kind of places that need malaria prevention. Developing an anti-mosquito laser system would be prohibitively expensive for the few countries who could actually really need it, and that's before you think about purchasing and maintaining the damn things.

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    3. Re:Cost/Benefit? by raijinsetsu · · Score: 2, Informative

      Propane is a limited quantity and produces waste. Electricity for the device could be generated by solar power, thereby lessening the environmental impact.
      The propane and pheromone methods are also limited in that they are harshly affected by weather, and may not be at all available in the areas where their needed most. These methods are prominent in the US only because of our abundance of propane and pheromone production.

    4. Re:Cost/Benefit? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hell, screw that, give me a laser system to kill carpenter bees and you have yourself a sale.

      s/carpenter bees/door-to-door (salesmen|evangelists)/;

      or more immediately practical

      s/carpenter bees/the SWAT team about to kick in my door/;

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    5. Re:Cost/Benefit? by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      What would the electricity bill be on this thing just to shoot down some mosquitoes?

      I believe it's part of the stimulus package. Either that or this will be used as an excuse to keep the sales tax increase in California.

    6. Re:Cost/Benefit? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > I would think you'd need quite a jolt to kill a mosquito too...

      I would think that you'd need quite a small jolt to kill a mosquito. The idea is just to kill it, not vaporize it.

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    7. Re:Cost/Benefit? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 2, Funny

      The article talks about disrupting their vision. I'm sorry but anything less than little puffs of smoke from mosquitoes being zapped out of the air is unacceptable.

      We'd probably just end up breeding a race of laser resistant mosquitoes anyway.

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    8. Re:Cost/Benefit? by nametaken · · Score: 1

      The CO2 devices are already quite expensive. I don't think I want to know what these laser systems are going to cost.

    9. Re:Cost/Benefit? by minorproblem · · Score: 1

      Where i live each year they kill a large percentage of the population while they are still in the larvae stage. Wondering how this system is better than just doing this? Using lasers etc sounds like an overly complicated way of killing mosquitoes especially seeming that the side effects of larvicide are minimal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larvicide

    10. Re:Cost/Benefit? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > Wondering how this system is better than just doing this?

      It kills only mosquitos and only when they come near people.

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  5. When do they go on sale? by Jonah+Bomber · · Score: 1

    And where can I get one?!

  6. solution in search of a problem by olddotter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Talk about a solution in search of a problem. So let me understand this. We are going to go into 3rd world countries and install autonomous flying drones that zap bugs with on board lasers? Isn't there perhaps a cheaper solution?

    When did they get good enough to hit the warheads? Did the press stop covering the testing when they started showing some success? I just haven't heard of a big "star wars" defense system test that succeeded.

    1. Re:solution in search of a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Talk about a solution in search of a problem.

      Dude, it doesn't matter what the problem is. Lasers are always the solution!

    2. Re:solution in search of a problem by grommit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, the other solution is to distribute anti-malaria drugs to millions and millions of people across these third world countries from now until.. well, forever.

      Also, while you may not personally have to deal with malaria on a regular basis, lots of people do have to worry about it. Thousands, if not millions of people die from it. That certainly qualifies as a "problem" to me. There is no search necessary as long as you look somewhere other than your backyard.

    3. Re:solution in search of a problem by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Strictly speaking, what we have here is "an inadequate solution in search of an easier problem".

      Star Wars never worked, and still doesn't, because intercepting reasonably modern ICBMs is really difficult. Hitting small, distinctly subsonic, wholly unarmored, non-countermeasure-deploying, organisms that spend most of their time hovering is orders of magnitude easier.

    4. Re:solution in search of a problem by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Malaria isn't the only fatal illness carried by mosquitos, just the one that gets the most attention, so don't stop your cost assessment with just malaria.

      Mosquitos kill more humans every year than any other animal. Of course, introducing mosquito controls into regions where religion or ignorance (but I repeat myself) prohibits birth control is likely to cause even more problems, but at least they're self-inflicted problems for the population in question.

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    5. Re:solution in search of a problem by AigariusDebian · · Score: 1

      No, we will install a box on a back wall of my house overlooking the backyard and with a LoS t most windows and then turn it on.

      After that we will continually upgrade the software until I can keep my windows open in the hot summer nights without becoming big and red from the damn bites.

      After that we sell millions of those compact boxes to other people in the US with an option to send another of those boxes over to a malaria infested village in the 3rd world.

      ???

      Profit!

    6. Re:solution in search of a problem by Kral_Blbec · · Score: 1

      "Did the press stop covering the testing when they started showing some success"

      Have you noticed thats always the rule with the military?

    7. Re:solution in search of a problem by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      I don't think o.p. is arguing about whether or not malaria is a problem; I think (s)he is arguing that this solution doesn't seem practical for the societies most in need of a solution. I think (s)he's probably right.

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    8. Re:solution in search of a problem by afabbro · · Score: 1

      Talk about a solution in search of a problem. So let me understand this. We are going to go into 3rd world countries and install autonomous flying drones that zap bugs with on board lasers? Isn't there perhaps a cheaper solution?

      Yes, there are two:

      • DDT (Google before getting your panties in a wad about junk science environmental scare claims - the World Health Organization thinks DDT is the way to go).
      • Realize that in the last 500 years we've spent trillions on the third world and you know, we can't afford to fix everything that's wrong in the world.
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    9. Re:solution in search of a problem by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      Strictly speaking, what we have here is "an inadequate solution in search of an easier problem".

      Agreed.

      Star Wars never worked, and still doesn't, because intercepting reasonably modern ICBMs is really difficult. Hitting small, distinctly subsonic, wholly unarmored, non-countermeasure-deploying, organisms that spend most of their time hovering is orders of magnitude easier.

      I'm not so sure I agree any more. You're telling me that targetting and hitting large, man-made objects on predictable ballistic trajectories is more difficult than targetting and hitting tiny, randomly moving objects that have adapted to evading hungry predators?

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    10. Re:solution in search of a problem by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm saying exactly that. A modern ICBM, on reentry, can easily be travelling at several kilometers a second, tumbling, releasing numerous separate pieces(either unplanned fragmentation, planned sensor countermeasures, MIRVs, or some combination thereof), and may well have a protective coating of some sort.

      Mosquitoes, by contrast, might reach a few kilometers an hour, if they are really pressed, and have fairly well characterized movement patterns. While Mosquitoes have evolved sophisticated evasive mechanisms, they are all aimed at avoiding physical contact with predators or angry prey, not at avoiding optical tracking and laser fire(even if they did evolve some sort of tumbling evasive flight, that would cost them more energy than ordinary free flight, and reduce their fitness in non-laser environments).

      Mosquitoes aren't trivial; but I'd venture to say that they are much easier.

    11. Re:solution in search of a problem by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      ...randomly moving objects that have adapted to evading hungry predators?

      Hungry predators move, cast shadows, etc. A laser system sits there and fries the mosquito from a range far beyond the mosquito's sensory perception.

    12. Re:solution in search of a problem by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      Ever hear of window screens?

    13. Re:solution in search of a problem by digitalchinky · · Score: 1

      Clearly you haven't lived in the tropical parts of Asia. You could install a weaved mesh so fine that the gaps between each strand are just a few atoms wide, the buggers might bang up against it for a bit, but then they'll get pissed and just teleport their arses right on through anyway. To get revenge on you for this, the stupid pricks bite you on the thickest parts of your feet just to prove that even a half inch of skin is no more problematic to spear on through than tissue paper.

      I'd buy 10 of these things in a heart beat.

    14. Re:solution in search of a problem by AigariusDebian · · Score: 1

      Cats kinda hate em with passion.

    15. Re:solution in search of a problem by tabrnaker · · Score: 1
      Ever wonder why they bite you on your feet, and bite others elsewhere?

      Solve that problem and you've solved the mosquito problem.

  7. Coincidence? by PhasmatisApparatus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Standing water in your backyard can serve as a breeding ground for mosquitoes, so we advise installing at least a few sharks.

  8. Now, that's a bug zapper by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    I want one in my back yard. Could be really entertaining.

    Seriously, in my area we have bats, and mosquitoes aren't much of a problem.

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    1. Re:Now, that's a bug zapper by Yetihehe · · Score: 1

      I have bats under my roof, but mosquitoes are still a problem. Installing this around all standing bodies of water might be a problem, because it would kill all mosquitoes and some species which eat them could die, but installing it so it makes impenetrable barriers around houses could be a good idea.

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    2. Re:Now, that's a bug zapper by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Who says it has to kill all mosquitoes? We're not talking a chemical fogger here. Anything that automatically targets mosquitoes individually could stop at 43.853233% of total.

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  9. Need bigger Laser here in NH by klwood911 · · Score: 1

    Remember the movie Real Genius? We in NH, would need something that size to unload our Mosquitos. They get big enough up here to carry you off.

  10. Very cool, but Zaphod said it best: by zindorsky · · Score: 3, Funny

    "So, ten out of ten for style, but minus several million for good thinking, huh?"

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  11. Is this new??? by Lord+Lode · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is this new?? I've seen this movie here the first time in 2005 or something!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSIWpFPkYrk

    1. Re:Is this new??? by spartacus_prime · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've seen it before that...here.

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  12. I saw this before... by raijinsetsu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you read David Brin's "Earth", you will note that there is an explanation of how "Star Wars" technology was modified to control infestations of africanized bees(killer bees) in local apiaries. The book was published in May of 1991.
    The premise was that honey bees flapped their wings at a lower frequency. Targeting the higher frequency enabled the device to precisely target only the invading killer bees.

    1. Re:I saw this before... by Samschnooks · · Score: 3, Funny

      to control infestations of africanized bees

      The slang term is "Biggers". Kind of like "Wiggers" only it's in regards to bees.

    2. Re:I saw this before... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I read Earth last week, and thought the summary looked familiar. Thanks for reminding me. I played with this idea a while ago (although a good decade after David Brin) and eventually decided that high-pressure water jets made more sense than lasers. I wonder why they went with lasers in the end.

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    3. Re:I saw this before... by raijinsetsu · · Score: 1

      Lasers are both cooler and hotter than water jets.

    4. Re:I saw this before... by Threni · · Score: 1

      I thought it was sort of obvious - the sort of thing you imagined people did already.

      Of course, if you manage to get rid of stuff that kills millions of people then you're going to need to construct larger automatic laser killing machines which can handle the hundreds of extra millions of people who'll be around as a consequence - they're going to want jobs, and water, and land, and cars, and....

  13. Already exists by Racemaniac · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. Re:Already exists by plankrwf · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up!
      The youtube video demonstrates many of the arguments in this discussion...

  14. Re:What! lasers and no sharks! by Sockatume · · Score: 1

    Well, that'd depend on whether the lasers follow the "golden rule". If they're overcooked, the acrylamide could lead to an increased cancer risk in small rodents. Field mice might prefer the crispy taste of flame-grilled grasshopper though.

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  15. pests by wlt · · Score: 1

    y'know....

    generally, every life form slots in somewhere in the ecosystem "in balance" - it either keeps something else from overrunning the place (rabbits becoming a pest in Australia due to lack of predators), or is, say, a food supply for something else (rabbits in places where there ARE predators)

    what I want to know is, is there such a slot for the mosquito? what "purpose" do they serve? are they a food supply for anybody, or do they just make life miserable for everything else? would there be problems for the ecosystem if the mosquito becomes extinct? because if there isn't, I can't think of a better candidate for extermination than the mosquito. if we could get rid of them, would they be the first species humanity exterminated AND made the world a better place by doing so?

    (yes, i know, it's gonna take a LOT of laser-shooting robot drones to rid the planet of 'em... hrm, maybe that's how skynet REALLY comes about :-)

    1. Re:pests by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      generally, every life form slots in somewhere in the ecosystem "in balance"

            I suggest you review the definition of "parasite".

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    2. Re:pests by MozeeToby · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It seems mosquitoes are one of those rare creatures that provides very little benefit to the ecosystem they belong to. They don't kill their prey, so they don't limit the population of any other animals. Also, they make up a relatively small proportion of food for the animals that they are prey to (even bats, well known for keeping bug populations down, only get about 1% of their diet from mosquitoes).

      Even so, I would be reluctant to wipe them off the face of the Earth completely. We simply don't know enough about how everything fits together in all the ecosystems of the world. I'd be more interested in finding ways to kill them off where they spread disease and limit their population in other areas. After all, the last time we tried to kill them off completely in the US we destroyed the raptor population almost to the point of extinction just because we didn't realize how harmful the chemical of choice was.

    3. Re:pests by vlm · · Score: 1

      If we could get rid of them, would they be the first species humanity exterminated AND made the world a better place by doing so?

      Clearly, you did not google or wikipedia "smallpox virus" before your post.

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    4. Re:pests by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > what I want to know is, is there such a slot for the mosquito? what "purpose" do they
      > serve?

      They help control the human population.

      > would there be problems for the ecosystem if the mosquito becomes extinct?

      The planet would soon be overrun with people.

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    5. Re:pests by Patch86 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They don't kill their prey, so they don't limit the population of any other animals.

      You may have slightly overshot there. The fact they kill more humans than any other animal does is sort of the problem.

      Speaking of which- is that their purpose? Are Mosquitoes there with the express purpose of controlling the human population?

      I for one welcome our mosquito overlords...

    6. Re:pests by wlt · · Score: 1

      actually, I already know. that's why I said "generally". and, if it whooshed over your head, what I'm curious about is, would it be safe to just exterminate any/all parasites (beginning with the mosquito)?

    7. Re:pests by wlt · · Score: 1

      actually, when I wrote my original post I did think about smallpox. but as a virus does it count as a "species"?

      also, smallpox just affects us, but getting rid of mosquitos would also make things better for other mammals; exterminating smallpox, all the benefits accrue to us. what about mosquitos?

    8. Re:pests by wlt · · Score: 1

      heh :-)

      well, I'm thinking human populations are more effectively limited by other humans (whether chaotically, via war, or through progress, which tends to lead to family planning), the "contribution" of malaria et al seems minimal in comparison. plus its not like ALL mosquitos carry malaria, there are plenty of geographical zones where they're just pests and won't kill you?

    9. Re:pests by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Kind of like humans, eh?

          They consume, their communities grow, but they don't productively support the food chain. Occasionally a human will be consumed by a hungry shark, alligator, or lion, but that has no notable affect on the growth of it's population.

          Soon enough, like an uncontrolled viral infection, it will be possible to find humans on every part of the planet, as they expand their growth beyond the resources available.

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    10. Re:pests by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > ...the "contribution" of malaria et al seems minimal in comparison. plus its not like
      > ALL mosquitos carry malaria, there are plenty of geographical zones where they're just
      > pests and won't kill you?

      Yes, it's pretty ineffective, isn't it? In fact, disease in general just isn't working. How about we whack 'em with a nice big asteroid and hope the ecology will recover in a few million years? (Sort of like spraying DDT in a swamp). Better act soon, though, or even that won't work. There is a serious risk that they will spread to other planets.

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  16. i'll buy one by sunking2 · · Score: 2, Funny

    With my Zimbabwen $1000000000 bill. I think that puts the price scale about in line with SDI

    1. Re:i'll buy one by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      By order of Bobby Mugabe, Zimbabwe currency will now use exponential notation.
      Please queue up for the new 1E12 bill (terabuck for a clusterfuck).

  17. non-combatant? by dwater · · Score: 1

    Since when were the humans non-combatant in this?

    Sounds like a very American attitude...

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    1. Re:non-combatant? by GuldKalle · · Score: 1

      So, lasers don't kill mosquitos, people do?

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  18. Dual Purpose Laser System by AioKits · · Score: 3, Funny

    As I see it this could serve two purposes at once. The first one has already been stated in taking care of mosquitoes. The other would be if this system were deployed in key locations, we could turn every marsh and swamp in the world into techno/rave hot-spots, thus taking care of another issue I currently have! Brilliant!

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  19. bats and birds, anyone? by SuperBanana · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously, the populace would be far better served by figuring out what indigenous creatures prey on the mosquitoes, and encouraging their habitat. If there aren't any, carefully try an introduction of bats / birds. Careful meaning "find out if they like to eat anything else that doesn't spread malaria."

    Around here in the US, you can actually buy "bat boxes" that come with instructions on finding the best location. You have to leave it up for a couple months, but eventually, bam, you've got your own personal furry little mosquito vacuum...and they are damned efficient at it.

    That would be the smart solution, but instead, we have local/city/state governments spewing chemicals into the air...

    1. Re:bats and birds, anyone? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      ...try an introduction of bats

      We have bats in Austin, and still way too many mosquitos.
      The most practical solution I have found is to cower indoors with the AC on playing Call of Duty.

    2. Re:bats and birds, anyone? by SuperBanana · · Score: 1

      Mosquitoes tend to be fairly localized, dunno about the bats. They might be congregating elsewhere, and need encouragement to hang around in your part of town. Try putting in a bat house on your property, and a bird house or two for good measure. Both require some research on how to locate them for maximum effectiveness; for the bird house, also make sure you have one with the proper size hole for the entrance for whichever species you want to attract (it should be big enough for them, but not big enough for predators.)

    3. Re:bats and birds, anyone? by corbettw · · Score: 1

      Seriously, the populace would be far better served by figuring out what indigenous creatures prey on the mosquitoes, and encouraging their habitat. If there aren't any, carefully try an introduction of bats / birds.

      Yes, because history is completely lacking in examples of the bad things that can happen when foreign species are introduced to an environment.

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    4. Re:bats and birds, anyone? by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      That's the problem. There aren't many creatures that prey even primarily on mosquitoes. They're relatviely hard to catch, and provide very little energy for the amount required to get them as compared to something like ants or whatnot. Just because you think people would be better served by that doesn't make it true.

    5. Re:bats and birds, anyone? by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Around here in the US, you can actually buy "bat boxes" that come with instructions on finding the best location. You have to leave it up for a couple months, but eventually, bam, you've got your own personal furry little mosquito vacuum...and they are damned efficient at it.

      But that turns the mosquito problem into a bat guano problem. Both figuratively and literally.

    6. Re:bats and birds, anyone? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      A common misconception - bats don't prey on mosquitoes in the neighborhood of their home, they leave and roam the countryside for miles around looking for food. Like most environmental ideas, it's nothing but a "feel-good" ethic being exploited by clever marketers.

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    7. Re:bats and birds, anyone? by tabrnaker · · Score: 1

      How is that a problem when it can replace radioactive fertilizers?

  20. full quote was actually a bit fuzzy... by rarel · · Score: 4, Funny

    "We'd be delighted if we destabilize the human-mosquito balance of power. Yes gentlemen, we're on the way in and no one can bring us back. For the sake of our country and our way of life, I suggest you get the rest of our sharks in after them, otherwise we will be totally destroyed by mosquito retaliation. My boys will give you the best kind of start, fourteen hundred megawatts worth, and you sure as hell won't stop them now. So let's get going. There's no other choice. God willing, we will prevail in peace and freedom from fear and in true health through the purity and essence of our natural fluids. God bless you all."

    Then he hung up. We're still trying to figure out the meaning of that last phrase.

  21. There is an easier way by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2, Informative

    Raise more dragonflies. Dragonflies eat mosquitoes.

    Of course, if we would drain all the pools at foreclosed homes, that would have a significant impact as well.

    Granted, if you're in the south where there are thousands of acres of swamp land, you might have a problem breeding enough dragonflies to make a dent in the mosquito population.

    Then again, bats are wonderful eaters of mosquitoes. For those who have the room, bat boxes will provide an invitation for bats to do their work. As most bats don't come out until sundown, there will be no interference with your enjoyment of your yard during the day while at night, you can watch and cheer them on as they devour those annoying mosquitoes.

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  22. What The Fuck? by Colin+Smith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In a 2007 brainstorming session aimed at combating malaria, Dr. Lowell Wood, the architect of that system, proposed modifying his original idea to kill mosquitoes.

    There are 2 morals to this little story:

    1: Who the fuck invites anti ballistic missile system developers to brainstorming sessions on how to fight malaria?
    2: If the only tool you know how to use is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

     

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    1. Re:What The Fuck? by overzero · · Score: 2, Funny

      If the only tool you know how to use is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

      Yah, but if the only tool you know how to use is a laser and every problem looks like a space alien, then fuck it, man, I'm on board.

    2. Re:What The Fuck? by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

      3. When you're completely out of ideas keep throwing people at the problem until somebody has an idea that sounds like it might work.

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    3. Re:What The Fuck? by cabjf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think it's a pretty well known fact that lasers can solve all problems.

    4. Re:What The Fuck? by Badge+17 · · Score: 1

      This is part of the Gates Foundation's system of high-risk, high-reward research: take the smartest people you know, ask them to come up with crazy ideas, and see if any of them work. This one did. And though Lowell Wood gets credit for the initial idea, the laser scientists "...teamed with an entomologist with a Ph.D in mosquito behavior and other experts."

      Lowell Wood is known for coming up with creative solutions to big problems - he might be a little crazy, but it's the kind of crazy we need to make sure we keep on trying new ideas.

    5. Re:What The Fuck? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      1: Who the fuck invites anti ballistic missile system developers to brainstorming sessions on how to fight malaria?

      His Evilness himself:

      Its rebirth as a bug killer came thanks to Nathan Myhrvold, a former Microsoft Corp. executive who now runs Intellectual Ventures LLC., a company that collects patents and funds inventions. His old boss, Mr. Gates, had asked him to explore new ways of combating malaria. At a brainstorming session in 2007, Dr. Wood, the Star Wars architect, suggested using lasers on mosquitoes.

      And you thought the Trilateral Commission was bad.

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    6. Re:What The Fuck? by Tom · · Score: 1

      1: Who the fuck invites anti ballistic missile system developers to brainstorming sessions on how to fight malaria?
      2: If the only tool you know how to use is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

      Actually, he did not propose to nuke them with an ABM. :-)

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    7. Re:What The Fuck? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      1: Who the fuck invites anti ballistic missile system developers to brainstorming sessions on how to fight malaria?

      An apoplectic with a large underground lair and obviously a mosquito problem.

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  23. they're next to worthless by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Informative

    I wonder how the performance of this system compares to one of the numerous CO2+odor attractant trapping systems already in use.

    My folks have two- and despite that, they still have tons of mosquitoes and the traps take weeks to fill up.

    They have $$$ odor cartridges that last barely a week or two, the traps are really gross to empty (and usually full of really angry, hungry mosquitoes), you have to go to the hardware store often to fill the tanks, people steal the machines (they're expensive), the traps are ridiculously unreliable (they don't like getting wet...the idiots used exposed circuit boards and freakin' PC COMPUTER FANS). Nevermind they're burning LNG/propane 24x7 and use at least 30W-40W of electricity; not exactly enlightened from a climate/environmental perspective these days.

    If you don't like mosquitoes, build/buy some bird and bat shelters and put 'em up.

    1. Re:they're next to worthless by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Most effective is the 30 Watt UV lights with 110V closely spaced screens. the old tyme "BUG ZAPPER" I had 4 for my home in mid michigan and every evening in the summer you would hear them frying nearly non stop. In the morning the huge pile of dead bodies below them were a testament to their effectiveness.

      The cool part, the birds love them. the pile of bugs you see at 6am will be gone by 7am when the birdies come by to feast.

      Couple with that chemicals that also kills the damned things in the grass and you can make it somewhat livable outside.

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  24. Re: Hit by lasers? by VernonNemitz · · Score: 3, Funny
  25. /o/ /o/ by rockNme2349 · · Score: 1

    I personally welcome our new intelligent laser wielding overlords.

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  26. You realize, this means laser resistant mosquitoes by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Given their high breeding rate, anything short of 100% extermination will mean mosquitoes that are immune to lasers within 10-20 years.

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  27. Breeding Mosquitoes by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Funny

    Of course surrounding your lair with a water filled moat might not be the best idea if you are wanting to get rid of mosquitoes.

    1. Re:Breeding Mosquitoes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Of course surrounding your lair with a water filled moat might not be the best idea if you are wanting to get rid of mosquitoes.

      Stock it with Koi.

      Koi with frikkin' laser beams!

    2. Re:Breeding Mosquitoes by Kral_Blbec · · Score: 1

      Nah, you just have to also install some big rotating blades like a meat grinder to disrupt the surface so they cant spawn on it.

    3. Re:Breeding Mosquitoes by Chyeld · · Score: 3, Funny

      You need to feed the goldfish the sharks will be eating on something. Sounds like a perfect ecosystem. Sharks fry mosquitoes, goldfish eat fried mosquito, and sharks eat goldfish. When you run out of mosquitoes, you can hang a banner across the drawbridge: "Mission Accomplished!" and celebrate.

    4. Re:Breeding Mosquitoes by LukeWebber · · Score: 1

      Hello? Lasers? What's the point of having a cool laser defence system if you don't put it to work? I want my LDS to be busy. Make my crib look like a frickin' ELO concert.

    5. Re:Breeding Mosquitoes by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      > Of course surrounding your lair with a water filled moat might not be the best idea if you are wanting to get rid of mosquitoes.

      That's what lasers are for.

    6. Re:Breeding Mosquitoes by Tanman · · Score: 1

      Hence, you need the lasers . . .

    7. Re:Breeding Mosquitoes by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      but what's your exit strategy?

    8. Re:Breeding Mosquitoes by FishAdmin · · Score: 1

      I want my LDS to be busy.

      What do your Mormons have to do with the Lasers? And aren't they a generally productive folk on their own?

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  28. One problem with the propane systems... by hax0r_this · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know a guy who owns property in rural Alaska (a very swampy area), and in summer the mosquitos are terrible. He has been experimenting with the propane powered mosquito traps, and has found that he can't leave them out overnight. The problem? They catch so many mosquitos that the trap fills up and causes the whole thing to burn up.

    His solution so far has been to run 3 of them at once for short periods of time during the day when he can periodically empty them.

    I'm not sure how much propane they use, but he has also complained about that. Since he has to fly it all in, and propane bottles aren't the most efficient use of weight/space in a plane. I also wonder about the environmental effects of using those on a large scale. How much C02 do they actually produce?

    1. Re:One problem with the propane systems... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      This one acre model runs up to 4 weeks on one 20lb tank of propane. One 20lb tank contains up to 19 lbs of liquid propane. 19 lbs is 8600g. Propane's molecular weight is 44.1g/mol. Of course you get 3 mole of CO2 per mole of propane, so one tank comes to... 585 moles of CO2(44.0g/mol) which is 25.7kg

      That's per acre per month. Per day, that's .85 kg (1.8lb) or less than we exhale in a day.

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    2. Re:One problem with the propane systems... by tabrnaker · · Score: 1
      Why does he complain if he choose to live basically in their house?

      I'm serious, did he not know mosquitoes like stagnant dead water?

      It constantly suprises me how people complain and complain about the results of their choices, but never seem to change the way they make their choices!

  29. All we need to do by bugs2squash · · Score: 2, Funny

    is invent a violent video game for mosquitoes, then they'll wipe themselves out in knife fights.

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    1. Re:All we need to do by theaceoffire · · Score: 1

      .... WAIT!

      BRILLIANT!

      Ok, get this... We set up a laser turret, connect it to a web cam in a highly mosquito infested area, and let web users control it! Support the web interface with Ads, and BOOM!

      Less Mosquito's, money to pay for the power/Internet, and lots of smiley faces etched into the wall behind it! You can even set up a mic, and count every tiny scream as a point, letting people try to a get high score!

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    2. Re:All we need to do by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Where do I sign up?

      When I was a kid I used to sit in the pool in summer and shoot at wasps with a garden sprayer. I imagined I was an AA gunner on a carrier at Midway. Dakka dakka dakka dakka!

      I fucking hate wasps.

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  30. Like the Star Wars system by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

    It works about 50% of the time if you know exactly when and where the mosquitoes are at the time of the attack.

  31. AIG bonus-receiving-executive version . . . ? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

    How come I associate blood-sucking insects with that pitifully poor insurers' executives?

    Methinks I would like to also be a Darth Vader of this product lasers having, and get Medieval with them.

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  32. Re:You realize, this means laser resistant mosquit by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I could see it being taken as a joke- but I'm serious.

    Anything with a high breeding rate will suffer 99.9% losses- the remaining .1% will be partially resistant to the problem and replace itself in a single breeding season. Even within days for bacteria.

    If you cant' get 100%, it's better to pass.

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  33. Insects to vaccinate? by prometx42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Mark my dark, cynical, Orwellian words... You do not, n o t, want Pharmaceutical companies, NGO's and the "unnamed whomever else", to broach the technology of using insects to deliver vaccines. It takes little imagination to envision, how swarms of biological creatures carrying, already dubious, chemical formulations for "wet injection" into human beings, could go terribly, terribly wrong. Let's focus on the happy-go-lucky, devil-may-care, flying cars and 50% efficient solar; and leave the technologies of the technocrat-demon-overlords, in the adjacent Blade Runner-like dimensions, mmmmmkay?

    1. Re:Insects to vaccinate? by dwhitaker · · Score: 1

      Corporations controlling insects and using them for vaccine delivery could also have the same legal implications of genetically engineered crops.

      I can just see something reminiscent of Monsanto vs. Schmeiser happening now: "Mosquitos on your property are breeding with out vaccine-carrying mosquitos. This violates our intellectual property. Give us money!"

      There is just so much that could go wrong with this scenario.

    2. Re:Insects to vaccinate? by prometx42 · · Score: 1

      Amen brother, amen...

  34. Rats do roam the streets unchecked. by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    You don't live in a big city,do you...

    Think of the foxes, barn owls and red kites.

     

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    1. Re:Rats do roam the streets unchecked. by CyprusBlue113 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes I do. It's still nothing compared to say the black death era.

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  35. I for one... by gyepi · · Score: 1

    ... welcome our new laser-resistant mosquito overlords, bound to appear via natural selection.

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  36. What I love by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    Is that they include a bunch of speculative technologies, but completely fail to mention ones which are already proven to work and which are already available.

     

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    1. Re:What I love by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      I'd be interested in what you're thinking of. To me, the advantage of this system (if it ever works) would be that it doesn't leave residue behind, except for the bug carcass, of course. It's not just another bug spray, but a really efficient flyswatter. The idea even lends itself to solar power. (Collect during the day, dish out in the evening.)

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  37. Re:I would be delighted... tsarkon on budget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So you simply don't care if the US is bankrupted and rendered insolvent, you just want a say in how its done, presumably to "feel safe."

    Rather selfish.

    I hope everyone realizes that inflation will pay a major role in funding unfundable fantasies, wiping the savers and the middle class out. The problem is, that other countries are growing tired of making our federal reserve notes worth something by buying our debt as treasuries. You talk about spending, but in order to "get what YOU want" you will sell debt to potential economic and military adversaries?

    Real bright. What's really sad is that despite David Walker being an authority on these issues, people refuse to even watch him and listen to what he is saying.

  38. Re:You realize, this means laser resistant mosquit by mea37 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First off, evolution isn't magic. The scenario you're describing assumes that some mosquitos could survive this weapon today. If we get away from the "one breeding season" assumption and allow a longer timeframe, it still assumes that a solution is within the range of biological adaptation, which is not a sure thing.

    So the odds are we're not moving toward "laser-proof" mosquitos any moreso than we have bullet-proof deer running around. You might get mosquitos that evade the targeting system -- females that beat their wings like males, or individuals that present a profile that looks more like a butterfly to the computer. And if so... then you're back where you started, having played out a temporary repreive from the mosquito problem.

    In other words, it's only better to pass if the adaptation in the mosquitos actually makes the problem worse.

    "Can't be wiped out by lasers" isn't worse in the context that your alternative is to not wipe them out with lasers anyway.

  39. Actually I think this is dangerous for other reaso by einhverfr · · Score: 5, Funny

    The basic issue is that you have a laser system capable of reaching down into the atmosphere to kill things close to or on the ground. There are two basic problems:

    1) That takes a LOT of power. If refueling the original star wars system was likely to be a problem, this is a million times worse.
    2) Theoretically such a system could be revised to hit other targets. Who would control it? Suppose terrorists hacked it. Suppose the military co-opted it. All manner of bad things could happen with such a system. For example, imagine if you could blind even a small fraction of New Yorkers, especially those driving on the roads on rush hour.... The effect might be far worse than 9/11.....

    I smell a cover for a new more powerful and destabilizing weapons platform in space. The thing simply can't be useful against mosquitos and the only real use I can see would be on the battlefield.

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  40. A mechanism for resistance has to be available by wowbagger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Anything with a high breeding rate will suffer 99.9% losses- the remaining .1% will be partially resistant to the problem and replace itself in a single breeding season."

    Of course, a mechanism for resistance has to be available for this to happen. It is rather difficult to imagine how a mosquito could become "resistant" to a laser - it can hardly evolve into being transparent, or fully reflective.

    The only avenue for "resistance" would be to cease to be attracted to humans, and thus not be in the area where the laser system is running. That sounds like a win-win for both humans and mosquitoes.

  41. Only a SlashDotter could post that by TravisO · · Score: 1

    and turn a news article about a mosquito killing laser into a Democratic vs Republican argument.

    1. Re:Only a SlashDotter could post that by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

      So now you know the 3rd option exists I guess the next step is for you to make use of it !

  42. Old post by Caesar+Tjalbo · · Score: 1, Funny
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  43. Another good use... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

    Hey...since we don't have that much of a malaria problem in the US, I can thing of one REALLY good alternate use for this system...targeting all the CCTV cameras around town. Especiallly the stupid redlight and speed cameras.

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    1. Re:Another good use... by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was thinking about that a while ago.

      A rotating laser leveling system like the dewalt uses dual lasers with a 600 feet range and rotates faster then the camera can recover. I was thinking of a way to widen the beam on a vertical axis to flood the cameras I first attempted to insert a filter but lacked any that could readily be used without modification. I then attempted to mount mirrors at various angles but the beam was too narrow.

      Then a friend came around with a cop who took him to my house after his car was broken down and stranded on the road. The police have cameras now that read license plate numbers and they can press a single button and it retrieve registration information from it. Anyways, his video display went blank when he pulled in the drive and asked me what I was doing. I said rigging an automatic gate opener and attempted to claim I wanted to open a gate and the garage doors when I entered the drive way plus maybe turn a few light on.

      The cop then told me that it was illegal to mount lasers like that to a car. It's covered under the radar jammer laws in which a cop uses laser radar. He also mentioned that it blinded his cameras in the cruiser which is what attracted him to me. He was cool with it but warned me that I could be in some trouble. I mention this because if you do attempt to do it, keep in mind that it might already be illegal in your area and if everyone else is without it, it isn't going to be hard for a cop around you to figure out you have something like that. Especially at night when you can't see them coming.

      On the other hand, if you do get something figured out, let me know because I'm still interested. I just don't want a ticket or jail time over it.

    2. Re:Another good use... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "The cop then told me that it was illegal to mount lasers like that to a car. It's covered under the radar jammer laws in which a cop uses laser radar. He also mentioned that it blinded his cameras in the cruiser which is what attracted him to me. He was cool with it but warned me that I could be in some trouble. I mention this because if you do attempt to do it, keep in mind that it might already be illegal in your area and if everyone else is without it, it isn't going to be hard for a cop around you to figure out you have something like that. Especially at night when you can't see them coming."

      Granted, it has been a little while since I looked into it, but, just a short time back, it was perfectly legal to 'jam' laser radar. Unlike an active radar jammer....the laser jammer is not (or was not) illegal. I'll look into it, but, as far as I know...no special laser jammer laws have been put into effect. Radar jammers, the active ones that do work, have been outlawed by special laws for a long time...this was more for safety concerns than for blocking the cops.

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    3. Re:Another good use... by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      Something to remember...

      You don't have to tell Police about anything you are doing when they ask.

    4. Re:Another good use... by fractoid · · Score: 2, Informative

      Something else to remember; refusing to answer simple, innocuous questions from a friendly officer is tantamount to saying you won't talk without your lawyer present. Which, in case you don't watch many crime shows, is code for "it was me but you'll have to prove it".

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    5. Re:Another good use... by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Simple, innocuous questions can get you into a shitload of trouble with cops. The best thing to do is not to talk to them.

      DON'T TALK TO COPS!

      Simple as that.

    6. Re:Another good use... by charlesj68 · · Score: 1

      Use of crime shows to justify interpretation of civilian-to-law-enforcement interaction is nearly certifiable evidence of insanity.

    7. Re:Another good use... by fractoid · · Score: 1

      Use of a flippant remark (shoulda put a smiley on the end of it, I guess) to justify diagnosis of insanity is nearly certifiable evidence of... actually I dunno what, but it is. Yeah.

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  44. Re:Actually I think this is dangerous for other re by Windows_NT · · Score: 1

    I would think these 'star wars' devices would be set up by well know spawning areas, or around villages. Yea, doesnt make sense to create a satellite for targeting these pesky little insects.

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  45. Re:I would be delighted... tsarkon on budget by tobiasly · · Score: 2, Insightful

    US national debt decreased yearly from WW II until Reagan hit in 1980. He doubled it, Bush I increased it some more, and it leveled off under Clinton. Bush II doubled or tripled it. Obama is going to increase it, but mostly to repair the damage done by Bush II.

    Yeah, because we all know that the President has complete and final budget-setting powers, right? Who controlled Congress under Reagan again?

  46. Uh somehow i think you maybe wrong by Technopaladin · · Score: 1

    Circle of life being what it is flying mosquitos may not feed many bats..
    But larva feed Dragonflys and Fish in spades

  47. Nooo! by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

    Now I can't get an image of Tina Fey wielding lasers out of my head.
    Thank you very much.

  48. But think of the children! by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

    At least the children of the military-industrial complex managers who have to find new markets now that the administration doesn't want to fund Star Wars any more.
    The children in poor tropical countries? Now that would be a totally different subject. They would need cheap mass market solutions but where's the money in that?

  49. Re:Actually I think this is dangerous for other re by einhverfr · · Score: 1

    Not to mention, the espionage capabilities of system capable fo targetting a mosquito from space would be quite impressive.

    But otherwise, what of human safety issues? I think there are plenty of those sorts of issues with this sort of system.

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  50. Re:I would be delighted... tsarkon on budget by novakyu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, because we all know that the President has complete and final budget-setting powers, right? Who controlled Congress under Reagan again?

    Exactly. And who controlled congress during the Clinton years?

    Clinton is getting way more credit than he deserves for the balanced budget, which the Republican congress voted for and passed.

  51. The Year was 1980 by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    The Urban Legend goes something like, "2 Post Grad students from Florida got a grant from NASA to build a Prototype Laser Tracking Device for Satellites. Both students got the same idea, the only thing small enough that was random enough for what was required were mosquitoes. After much work, and hardship, the students got the device to track the bugs, without burining them up. Then the students decrease the power of the laser just enough to only burn the wings off the critters." Folks in New Orleans at the time thought that such a device would be great in their backyard, right up to the point that their eyes would be forfeit if the laser nailed them also. I don't know if the story was true or not, but if the lasers could be adjusted so that you had different colors in a random pattern, what a cool show in your backyard you would have, right up until you nailed by the laser.

  52. Fast and hard to see by davegravy · · Score: 1

    Hypothetical scenario where it is disadvantageous to use such a device:

    The targeting system fails for mosquitoes who fly fast and are translucent.

    Result:

    Future generations of mosquitoes are fast and really damn hard to see. You won't know if it's your itchy rash that's acting up again, or if it's time to slap on some deet. And forget about the notion of "keep moving to stay bite-free" next time you're in a marsh.

    1. Re:Fast and hard to see by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Because millions of years of heavy predation by birds, bats, and other insects would not already have caused the mosquitos to be just as fast and hard to see as it is possible for them to be. Right.

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    2. Re:Fast and hard to see by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      If they're translucent, won't they also be blind?

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  53. Effective way of dealing whit mosquitoes by hviniciusg · · Score: 1

    The proper way of dealing whit mosquitoes in an urban area is to destroy all static water recipients. Mosquitoes use these recipients to put their eggs and reproduce. Destroying this will kill all mosquitoes in a matter of weeks.

    I know this because in my town (Santa Cruz â" Bolivia) we have a dengue http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dengue epidemic. the government declared that one day all citizens went to their homes and clean all water recipients like old tires etc.

    1. Re:Effective way of dealing whit mosquitoes by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      You might want to read up on the many species of mosquito and the many different places the lay their eggs. You might also want to consider the difficulty of eliminating all standing water (some species need only a few milliliters in the crotch of a tree or a curled leaf) in an area that gets many meters of rain per year.

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  54. Re:You realize, this means laser resistant mosquit by MiniMike · · Score: 1

    I think shiny mosquitos will have other, bigger problems.

    Now if this system were installed in every swamp, birdbath, and outhouse as well as all other predators removed, we might see something interesting.

  55. Re:Mod parent "FALSE" by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well if you're going to be a self important pendant

    Flavor Flav, is that you?

  56. Oblig remaining eye by Anomalyst · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do not bank towards laser and expose remaining compound eye

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  57. XKCD dupe by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 1

    http://xkcd.com/382/

    Squirrels are more fun to zap.

  58. Re:I would be delighted... tsarkon on budget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    You're a fool and a coward. No wonder you posted as AC.

    I suppose then the converse must be true then.

  59. Re:You realize, this means laser resistant mosquit by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    Thats like saying some Hiroshimans are now resistant to atomic weapons.

  60. Mod parent up by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    +5 Funny

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  61. Re:Actually I think this is dangerous for other re by wilkinc · · Score: 1

    The effect might be far worse than 9/11.....

    As bad as 9/11 times 1000?

  62. Re:You realize, this means laser resistant mosquit by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    Well, by 1996, chernobyl Voles who have only an annual breeding rate were showing adaption to radiation and proliferating in large numbers.

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE7D61439F934A35756C0A960958260

    And then there is the fungus that uses radiation like plants use sunlight.
    http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20070422222547data_trunc_sys.shtml

    Then there are the innumerable plants and grasses that *require* a major fire in order to reproduce.

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    So, no. It's more like saying ".1% survived some kind of interaction with the laser system long enough to reproduce". Those descendants almost all have that factor and may now tune it with each generation to be stronger. It could be they were at the fringe of the laser, or extreme range, or as others pointed out they fool the targeting system.

    I thought I was being clear that you can't develop resistance if you have 100% fatality. But I'm certain that some of the survivors of hiroshima that reproduced survived because they were slightly more resistant to radiation-- just like the Voles above.

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  63. Re:Actually I think this is dangerous for other re by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Funny

    > The basic issue is that you have a laser system capable of reaching down into the atmosphere to kill things close to or on the ground. There are two basic problems:

    The first being, I really don't think anyone is suggesting we nuke mosquitoes from orbit. I mean, that would be really cool, and if they do it that way I hope I get a chance to see it in action. I can just imagine the gentle sparkle of flaming mosquitoes lighting up the twilight sky over Khartoum. It would be a tourist attraction.

    But, reading the article, they talk about must shorter distances, like, say, across the room. Although disappointing, this kind-of solves the power problem, and the hijacking problem, and the destabilizing weapons platform in space problem. (We'll leave that last one to the Chinese.)

    I don't have an opinion about blinding commuters from space, except to say the view from space is pretty much straight down, so you'd have to get a bunch of commuters to all look up at the same time. But if you could do that, blinding them would be redundant.

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  64. relatives by Ofloo · · Score: 1

    Is there also one for relatives, I would love to try this on my mother in law, can't wait until it is on the market. I can already see howto's on how to kill your mother in law "by accident"

  65. Re:I would be delighted... tsarkon on budget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Look, you can break my back to force me to "need" a federal government that is turning this country into a police state and turn it into a quasi-socialist lie, but I will put up a fight. I have kids to educate and feed, and the stuff you sell (which is failing to various degrees everywhere else as implemented) is simply forcing a culture of failure on a once great, libertarian free country.

    I will not be complacent with your "change," and there will be a point where civil war will become an option. See how hard you can push before you get it - like I say, I'm paying well over half my pay in taxes.

    "your" plan will not work, its not fundable, you have to destroy the currency to fund it, and its really as simple as this: if you fund this insanity by borrowing from your economic and military adversaries you are not fit to administrate society. Rome fell. Kings who mis-manged their treasuries all fell. Every example of unhinged spending leads to the same result: systemic collapse.

  66. Nice shootn' by wesborgmandvm · · Score: 1
    The system ...can even tell the difference between females... and males.

    So let's shoot to kill all the females but just knock the nads off the males to make em sterile.

    1. Re:Nice shootn' by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Or invent an iNsecticide that turns them all gay.

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  67. Re:You realize, this means laser resistant mosquit by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    the remaining .1% will be partially resistant to the problem and replace itself in a single breeding season.

    Ah, that explains all those bacteria that are resistant to iodine, peroxide and who pretend to shiver in an ironic tone when you boil the little friggers in an autoclave.

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  68. Re:You realize, this means laser resistant mosquit by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    > You might get mosquitos that evade the targeting system --

    Most likely by avoiding people[1], since that's where these things would be deployed. Uhm, do you see a problem with that?

    [1] Mosquitos mostly prey on wild animals anyway, so avoiding people could be a very effective strategy.

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  69. Re:I would be delighted... tsarkon on budget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I think you will find that if you pick up a gun to subvert democracy, I will pick up a gun to stop you.

    It's not my fault that California's government has been horribly mis-managed. I live in Texas and pay nowhere near 50% of my salary goes to taxes.

    And I'm not suggesting we raise your taxes. Unless you make of $250 k a year neither is Obama. If you do make more than that I find your working stiff attitude more than a little disingenuous.

    You can do your best to turn America in to a 3rd world shit-hole like India if you want. I will oppose you at the ballot box like I did in 2008.

  70. Re:You realize, this means laser resistant mosquit by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    > But I'm certain that some of the survivors of hiroshima that reproduced survived because
    > they were slightly more resistant to radiation-- just like the Voles above.

    Most of the people who died in the Hiroshima bombing were not killed by the nuclear radiation.

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  71. Re:You realize, this means laser resistant mosquit by Barryke · · Score: 1

    Exactly.

    In other news, a marketing spoof on musquito laser defense:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSIWpFPkYrk

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  72. inoculation system by confused+one · · Score: 1

    I think they're going about this all wrong. I think they should genetically engineer the mosquitos to become an "natural" means to inoculate against disease. Beginning with Malaria (ironic, in a sense). No need to get a flu shot, the mosquitos will take care of that for you. Measles, smallpox or diptheria vaccine due? How about tetanus? Sit outside for a few hours.

    What could go wrong?

  73. Point Defense Lasers! by Databass · · Score: 1

    We're not necessarily trying to kill all the mosquitos ON EARTH, just the .000001% within say 5m of a human. I'd position a little point-defense laser turrent in my room while I sleep if it existed. Especially since I live in the first world and can easily afford electricity to run it.

    On the off-chance laser-resistant (reflective/ablative skin??) mosquito stumbles into and out of the kill zone alive, it still has to compete with the other 99.999% of mosquitos who didn't get in here.

  74. The females arethe blood drinkers !!! by giorgist · · Score: 1

    Now how come everybody forgot to meme that ?

  75. We really try laser on insects by Marko+Kostic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Two years ago on Agriculture faculty in Belgrade my colleagues an I tested lasers on insects. We used different wavelength and power and I must said that result were astonishing! System like this very easy can change pesticides and cover large area without afraid that people or animal can be hurt. For spreading laser beam we used hi speed step motors.

    1. Re:We really try laser on insects by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Did you publish? Are your results available?

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  76. hold my beer by Onymous+Coward · · Score: 1

    I should point out that "we don't know of any dire consequences" suggests both "alright, git'r done" and "whoa, let's look at this carefully before we act."

    Here's a relevant phenomenon that I recommend meditating on: personal overestimation by incompetents.

  77. Re:I would be delighted... tsarkon on budget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's pretty clear that you are the unhinged lunatic here.
    Sorry, its you who are the liar and the misinformed here. And voilent and grabby.

    The deficit is being temporarily ignored because if we can't rescue the economy we are all screwed.
    Wrong, monetizing failures causes more. Japan showed us this for decades. But hey, you think you can fix a problem DECADES in the making with a quick fixer-upper, you are screwed in the head.

    I see complaints about Clinton in Obama in your fanatical rant.
    My complaints are with the federal government since Breton Woods. And you STILL didn't listen to David Walker, a clinton appointee and former head of the GAO. This isnt about fucking political parties, moron.

    Funny how you left out any mention of Republican Geoge W Bush... Well not funny.. more like par for the course for a head in the sand "conservative"
    He has a massive role in creating the fiscal issues faced today. Obama's programs will make this many many times worse and coopt future generations with a crushing debt load. Show me a single federal budget that was less than the previous. If this 3.6T budget goes, its never coming back barring systemic collapse.

    Please remind yourself whose mess we are cleaning up here.
    The United States Federal Government, The United States Federal Reserve, and the banks which were enabled to continue down wreckless paths by a quasi government agency known as the Federal Reserve whose actions are not subject to congress and whose members are unelected.

    Inflation is a fact of life. I don't like defecits, but our economy is in the toilet we have bigger problems to fix.
    Every inflationary road taken in history ends in collapse. Keynesian policies are widely regarded as no longer workable.

    What good is a balanced budget in a country with a shattered economy?? Is that even possible?
    Under what authority does the federal government derive the POWER to make the economy work? I'm curious about this.

    While you do your best to ignore the obvious and blame a trend that has existed since well before you were born on the guy cleaning up your President's mess, I will just point out the obvious. You used to be able to buy a meal for a nickel and a car for $300. Is that Clinton and Obama's fault too? You are full of shit and your arguments are disingenuous at best.
    What you don't take into account here is the relative percentages of people's wealth (both net and gross) and the costs of owning and maintaining houses, cars, standards of living.

    Inflation via defecit spending is going to make it such that you will be paying a lot more by percentage of your income to maintain a given standard of living.

    Your arguments are so poorly thought out and seek to blame "republicans" its really simply laughable.

    You cant spend your way out of a hole buster if the creditors (e.g. China) start telling you they won't buy. Its simple. Now America starts to have to collaterize the debt with assets. We will be selling off chunks of American assets to back the new debt.

    One day, it may even be necessary to sell alaska back to Russia because no one will take greenbacks to prop up a failing version of a modern Rome.

  78. Re:You realize, this means laser resistant mosquit by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

    First off, evolution isn't magic. The scenario you're describing assumes that some mosquitos could survive this weapon today. If we get away from the "one breeding season" assumption and allow a longer timeframe, it still assumes that a solution is within the range of biological adaptation, which is not a sure thing.

    You're killing me here. You're telling me that my plan to breed puppies that are nigh invulnerable, incredibly strong, or have the ability to teleport by placing litter after litter of them inside small air tight boxes that are then crushed by hydraulic presses isn't going to work? But I've already been through so many trial generations! It would be such a waste (of puppies) to give up now.

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  79. *Spoiler Alert!* by rts008 · · Score: 1

    Well, I can't remember all of the steps, but somewhere just before '????' and 'Profit!' is a step involving gorillas freezing to death.

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  80. Re:I would be delighted... tsarkon on budget by arminw · · Score: 1

    ... if the US-GOV was a company it would be insolvent....

    Here is a question for you: if you could print money without going to prison for it, could you not also spend however much you wanted to fulfill all your wishes that money could fulfill? You could also make all sorts of "friends" on whom you could lavish all sorts of goodies you got for "free".

    If you were an intelligent person of integrity, you would not do this, because you know that the arbitrary medium of exchange we call money would eventually become worthless. The problem is that those now in government not only the United States government, have lost or are ignoring their intelligence and/or integrity. This is simply part of human nature. There are many, if not most, who know what is right and good for themselves and others, yet refuse to implement it in their own lives. They also know what it is highly detrimental to others and yet continue doing that as well. All of this is a manifestation of human selfishness, the extreme of which culminates in a sick form of greed.

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  81. I'm the Shark by pablos · · Score: 5, Informative

    I work at the Intellectual Ventures Lab where this system is being created. Just wanted to respond to a few points in the comments:

    DDT is non-discriminatory. It does kill mosquitoes, but it harms lots of other life forms as well. Because of its abuse, there are bans and economic sanctions that prevent its use. Changing that is a political problem.

    Using lasers, we don't expect to eradicate mosquitoes entirely, but they can be a way to help reduce their populations enough that malaria can't survive. In particular, the laser system can help create a perimeter to keep people safe.

    As far as we know, there aren't any species that rely solely on mosquitoes as a food source.

    Thanks, I will try to respond if there are further questions here.

    1. Re:I'm the Shark by Randym · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I will try to respond if there are further questions here.

      Thanks. Now can you come up with a version of this which kills *flies*? That would indeed be a significant step forward in third world sanitation. I think that it would be easier in one way: flies are bigger targets, and move relatively slowly. However, it might take more energy/fly to kill them. If you could disable their scent receptors, or maybe just blind them, their efficacy would be reduced, but they would remain as food sources.

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  82. Re:I would be delighted... tsarkon on budget by arminw · · Score: 1

    .... that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable...

    Of course most people nowadays believe in the theory of evolution which teaches that all life, including humans, evolved out of the primordial slime millions of years ago. Only a personal Creator God is capable of bestowing certain inalienable rights to human beings. How can primordial slime, or warm nutrient laden pools and the subsequent impersonal "natural selection" mechanism impart any right whatsoever to any human being? Only another PERSON, not some object or process, can give or take away human rights. Only I as a PERSON, can give you rights concerning my property or objects of mine. The objects or property do not have the power to grant rights to anyone.

    All the signers of the Constitution believed in a personal God, to whom they themselves, as well as all humans are ultimately accountable. They knew that it is the first and primary responsibility, yes indeed the reason why governments exist, to PROTECT (not give or take) these God-given rights. Today, to the extent that people both in and out of government no longer believe in their heart, that they are responsible to a supreme God, to that extent they take it upon themselves to lord it over other people. They have taken the position of rulers and manipulators of the public, rather than public servants.

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  83. Mod parent up by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    +5 Informative

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  84. Re:Actually I think this is dangerous for other re by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    o_0

    And here I was thinking of some small device in my backyard looking something like a mirror-ball spinning at very fast RPMs...

    Not so simple, no? I guess Home Depot won't be selling them anytime soon.

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  85. Gives new meaning by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    To "Don't send a cannon to kill a mosquito." Sorry, I couldn't resist :P

  86. Paging Nolan Bushnell by mbstone · · Score: 1

    I know a guy who owns property in rural Alaska (a very swampy area), and in summer the mosquitos are terrible. He has been experimenting with the propane powered mosquito traps, and has found that he can't leave them out overnight. The problem? They catch so many mosquitos that the trap fills up and causes the whole thing to burn up.

    Sounds like it's time for a coin-op version.

  87. Real Men Of Genius..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

    They ought to take one of these things to the Everglades and crank up the power.

    Throw in a BBQ and some cold beer and it would be the best Fourth Of July ever.

    Personally, I remember going to my grandparents' house when I was little and my grandfather would pull out this giant bug zapper and we'd listen to mosquitos explode all night long. Ahhhhh..... makes me think of that "Real Men Of Genius" radio commercial.

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  88. Re:You realize, this means laser resistant mosquit by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    Only one survivor would need to survive and procreate to pass the beneficial genes into the pool.

    On a geologic scale, humans can breed fast given no competition.

    In 50,000 years we've gone from almost nothing, to enough to cause a massive deer like die off from over breeding.

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  89. Re:Actually I think this is dangerous for other re by bronney · · Score: 1

    Don't worry bro, these "devices" will be in the shape of a long and thing flashlight with a thumb button to activate. You then swing it around the swarm of mosquitoes to kill.

  90. We have a saying here.. by gzipped_tar · · Score: 1

    and it's "shooting mosquitos with FLAK fire". Oh the meta-irony.

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  91. Re:I would be delighted... tsarkon on budget by Brickwall · · Score: 1
    In general, I agree with you, but I have to dispute the notion that Keynesian policies are not workable. Look north, my friend. Our past two governments (one Liberal, one Conservative) used the boom years to pay down the national debt. Now, the Conservative government's budget is positing $64 billion in deficits over the next two years to help us adjust to the likely failure of the auto industry and the financial crisis. (BTW, the government offered $200 billion in loan guarantees to the big six Canadian banks; not one of them took a dime. Canada's banks are considered some of the strongest in the world.)

    The problem with most so-called Keynesians is they don't save in the good times and run deficits in the bad times. They run deficits ALL the time. And I agree with you that the deficits will cause inflation and/or depreciation of the dollar (which are really two sides of the same coin, which is lower living standards for most Americans).

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  92. ROI on DDT is probably better... by hyperventilate · · Score: 1
    We had nearly wiped out malaria. It was down to a few cases. But we banned DDT and it came back and is now the 2nd biggest killer on the planet.

    We are likely to make the same mistake with Polio- forgetting to go the final inch. Almost eradicated is not the same as eradicated.

    DDT was used terribly irresponsibly. They sprayed my whole suburban neighborhood in Michigan where no malaria had been seen in 100 years. They killed all the bugs and birds and probably started quite a few extra Dioxin cancers, to avoid a few bites.

    But DDT is a really amazing insect repellent. Mosquitoes turn around and fly away from a house where the walls have been sprayed with just a small amount. That saves lives!

    I'm a big believer in lasers and robotics to kill pest bugs on plants and weeds.

    But we already know how to stop malaria. Long lasting mosquito nets and a bit of DDT and good basic health care and treatment of infected people is the answer we can afford.

    Just because we used DDT irresponsibly shouldn't give us the right to ban it worldwide. We should have found a way to continue to use it in a more appropriate fashion. We could have taxed it to make massive applications unaffordable. Could have treated it as a prescription medicine for treating the house.

    If we had regulated DDT right, the worlds 2nd biggest killer would no longer bother us, and one million people a year would not die of it.

  93. lasers by Balance+Man · · Score: 1

    pew pew pew

  94. Groen Brothers commercial Starwars Musquito Defens by hithar · · Score: 1
  95. Isn't this like... by iwein · · Score: 1

    ... killing a mosquito with a cannon?

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  96. We don't need lasers by owndao · · Score: 1

    We'll nuke 'em from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.

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