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Microsoft and Yahoo Reach Deal
e9th writes "We know that Microsoft failed last February in its attempt to buy Yahoo. Now, Advertising Age reports that they've reached a deal. Instead of a buyout, the two will enter into a revenue sharing agreement, and Bing will become Yahoo's default search engine. The meat of the AdAge article can be found in Yahoo News. This deal may give Google something to worry about."
BRB, cancelling my Yahoo! account.
Now, the people who were avoiding Bing, will now avoid Bing and Yahoo...
What, exactly, does Google have to worry about, except MS cashback?
It said 0 results found.
Yahoo search was useless anyway, so having bing won't change anything for me. It will give them great insight into how people use yahoo's web site though, which will probably allow MSN to poach yahoo users.
"He's lost in a 'floyd hole"
Yeah.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
Bing will become Yahoo's default search engine.
I think I just cried a little...
Cobbling together 2 inferior technologies doesn't give you a superior one. I don't really think Google has anything to worry about. Kindly take your rabble rousing elsewhere.
I am, and that is sufficient.
including Google.
This is why we don't allow cousins to marry...
What strange mutations/recessive genes are we going to see sprout out of all this coupling???
But two trains traveling a break-neck speeds towards each other with no sign of stopping makes me feel like throwing some popcorn in the microwave.
I switched from Google to Yahoo! search recently because Yahoo! promised to discard user search data after 3 months. I'm guessing that the switch to Bing negates that promise, so what search engine(s) are left that are both useful & ethical?
Yahcrsoft or Microhoo!? Which name are they going with?
Or Yahsoft? Or Microshoo?
Binghoosoft?
Anyone?
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Now how to explain this to Grandma with out her looking at me more stranger than usual. Hmm.
If that's true, it missed the antitrust investigation against them.
... or, more likely, will not give Google anything to worry about. at all.
Seriously, they used to be a search company, but don't do search technology anymore, so what are they, just a portal/email provider now?
So Microsoft isn't buying Yahoo...they're just merging their bank accounts and Yahoo is adopting Microsoft's competing technology.
Makes perfect sense to me.
Funny may not give karma, but +5 Informative never made anyone snort coffee out their nose.
Some people here are saying that the quality of Bing results is comparable to Google's results in many cases. If we assume that's true, then Yahoo will become exactly like it was several years ago when it was using Google. As a Yahoo service, it'll still be covered in crap, and all that'll do is make people go to Bing, like Yahoo's use of Google lead to folks to use Google ("it's like Yahoo's search, but not crap!"). That'll work wonders for Yahoo. Again.
I searched "Google antitrust investigation" and it returned this image
Bing isn't really better than Yahoo's search it is? What's more, what about foreign-language searching? Yahoo is the only search engine that has spent significant resources improving their Japanese search results, for example. (Google is beginning to do this, but their search results still suck badly.) I imagine Bing would be a big step backward for most people outside the U.S.
He who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.
This could be good news for Flickr - hopefully they'll get rid of that godawful Yahoo Maps implementation on flickr for geotagging and searching, and use Virtual Earth Maps instead. That's right, I said Virtual Earth Maps, not what it's called currently.
Always proofread carefully to see if you any words out.
then bully them into a buyout... RIP Yahoo! Nice knowing you. Jerry Yang may have pissed off his share holders, but he was doing the right thing I my view. Guess his legacy will be ....Bing? Please.....
Now who's looking for a chair to throw....
I remember back when they had 20 million in start up money, and were poised to bring Google to their knees (or so ppl said). Whatever happened with that?
They need SOMEONE to hit bling every time the browser comes up; that crowd will likely give them plenty of hits.
I don't know why they just don't force it as the IE start page...oh, wait: that's MSN.
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Have you used Bing? It kind of sucks. I can only hope it gets better but I don't know - lots of people complain it won't index their websites although I've had no trouble in that area.
Or maybe I just search for things it isn't good at - things I want to buy and documentation mostly. The most amusing was the other day when I tried looking up information about Bing's spiders (that behave oddly - not always following robots.txt and changing their user agent to look like IE). Couldn't find a thing on Bing but Google found it right away. Conspiracy to hide the information or suckage?
That's another interesting point. Why is Bing hitting my site again and again and making it look like real users using simple one word searches but all from the Bing IP block? When I try to use the same searches to find the same pages I don't see my site come up. Hmmm. Either way it's easier for webmasters if everyone just licenses one or two major search engines (Google and Bing) so that you only have to optimize your content to be listed high on them. It's hard when they all work different and sometimes in conflicting ways.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
Well Yahoo just lost it's biggest user base, Japan. Yahoo in Japan is bigger than both Microsoft and Google, yahoo even provides internet, and cellphone services in Japan. It's going to be interesting to see what happens to Yahoo Japan. Yahoo search is not better than Google but in some ways out performs google when it comes to non-english results. I don't know why they would trash their so much better than bing search engine for well... bing. It's like trading in a convertable for a prius. I have used bing a few times, and I don't see why anyone would use it over Yahoo or Google. The results aren't exactly relative to the search term, and they seem to be similar to a default sql %QUERY% but that's just my opinion.
It diverts attention of competition authorities from a self-proclaimed "do no evil" search giant earning its money through rather unobtrusive advertising (and which has now even been given a reinvigorated major competitor), to a company that is no stranger to antitrust crosshairs and with a body of Findings of Fact from earlier proceedings against it.
Does anybody have any ability to measure how good a particular search engine is? I'm not going to compare total hits, as searching for "linux" on both could result in 100m pages. Taking the reputations of the companies out of the question how do you determine which search engine is better? Do you have to know the inner workings of the algorithm to make an intelligent conclusion?
What will this mean for Yahoo!'s BOSS (Build your Own Search Service)? On a related note, if Bing will become Yahoo!'s DEFAULT search engine, will they be continuing to develop their own?
What do you mean "has gone by the wayside"? Could you specify what in the world you're talking about?
Except looking at the larger picture, Microsoft is still a monopoly in the desktop world, browser world ...... helping them obtain more market monopolies isn't a good idea. I understand why people in the advertising community don't like the current situation considering they have to use Google to reach a significant part of the internet population but at the same time, this isn't because of actual barriers on user choice. If I want to use bing I can, nothing on Google (search that is) is really retaining me other than it's familiar and has proven itself for years. They are selling me to you and frankly they aren't preventing anyone in advertising from user competitors but they do have a larger audience to offer. You still have a choice albeit equivalent to the current choice of developing software for the mac or windows platform and Linux too. I'm not sure I understand how it's on the same level as other major monopolies of the past.
Also wtf would Microsoft be allowed to do the exact same thing Google tried to do a year or so ago. Microsoft hasn't proven itself to be any less of a monopolistic company and they are using the internet to add power to their already large clout.
Search-engine pr0n! Rule 34.
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Actually, you StumbledUpon something... (sorry - bad pun.)
Microsoft never mastered the art of naming. When they go short they get things like Zunes that squirt and Bing.
So then they retreat by putting their properties menu into the name.
InferiorTech with the SuperiorityComplex.
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Could you please elaborate where Google has "Done More Evil". People questioned the privacy of their searches and they have since stated their privacy terms clearly (years ago). Google has advocated more open format and open source solutions backed with real money and development. They lobby for net neutrality and open access. I really don't see how they are doing evil.
People have to get used to the idea that if you type information into a website, that website has that information. It's pretty straight forward and there is no way around it. Even if they state they they will delete it, you can't verify that they have and should treat it as such. If you want to remain untrackable from any service, you have to use a proxy; end of story. PS. There isn't a shred of evidence that Google doesn't abide by their terms of service.
Without a specific grievance, it sounds like you are just rebelling against the popular and successful to make yourself feel special.
Right, somehow people side with both Google and Apple because they combine legitimate gestures of OSS software but then make F Cordon Bleu to grind the back end. However, I distrust the Fall From Grace of both those companies. Having declined:
1. Hotmail&IE&MS Search&Palm (90's darling package)
2. Gmail&Safari&MacOS&Google Search&iPhone(2000's package)
I ran out of energy for ParadigmShifts and settled for a sludge of:
Windows&Yahoo Mail&Yahoo Advanced& WinMobile 6.1. Really clever searches can overcome the weakness of the engine if you force enough words to be on the page.
But I think the 2010 package might be something like ubuntu-Chrome hybrid Linux&Firefox or Opera&Wolfram-Ask Search&Android Mobile. ..
(Note - Slashdot is eating my line breaks. Sorry I can't find the fix at the same time as sending this post live.)
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You gotta love the Yahoo, if for no other reason than Zimbra. More than any other piece of software, it's the "Exchange Killer" that we've all wondered about. It matches, feature-for-feature, Exchange. It's (mostly) open-source. It runs fine on Linux. It works with Windows, Mac, Linux, KDE, Google Calendars/Email, and just about everything else, including my WinMo phone.
It's a god-send, it works nicely with basically no fuss or hassle, and it's owned by Yahoo.
Hey, if Yahoo goes belly up, I just hope they sell Zimbra to somebody who can take the good thing handed to them and DO SOMETHING with it!?!?
I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
Actually, yes.
I stuck with Yahoo because for a brief moment they had a couple nice tips to the privacy side. Now with the MeSs I will finally switch. Haven't decided whether Ask or someone else. (Who's Fifth & Sixth in search?)
But occasionally when I absolutely had to Google something, ... I typed "Google" into my Yahoo Search default homepage. It says this:
"You could go to Google. Or you could stay here and get straight to your answers."
Kinda cute, like the old DEC Make Love - Not War joke.
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He's brilliant Mods, not redundant!
"What do you get if you cross Bing and Yahoo!?"
"Boo!"
Besides creating amazing Pun potential, it's a quadratic play on the old Zen koan. When MS Embraces Yahoo, scary things result.
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I just search for "chances of Google being trust-busted" and got 0 results.
Now that we've got that issue resolved, I think I'll go check my ad earnings in Google AdSense, followed by checking my site traffic in Google Analytics, followed by checking a few keyword rankings in Google Search, followed by tweaking a couple of settings in Google Webmaster Tools, followed by checking for new posts on the Inside AdSense blog, followed by %@$#! [NO CARRIER]
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Cobbling together 2 inferior technologies doesn't give you a superior one.
But it gives a subSUPREME technology! It worked for subPRIME, didn't it?
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire
I got a Yahoo mail since 1998, I don't use it as my main account of course, my mail provider is fastmail.fm and it will stay that way.
I will cancel Yahoo account only if MS acquired Yahoo. I know what will happen since I am one of the people who used Hotmail before it was acquired by MS. MS wouldn't run a poster child of FreeBSD, PHP etc. with their own billions.
There is a conspiracy theory that MS kept supporting Apple even in its darkest days just to prevent a possible monopoly lawsuit. Of course, the IE lunacy (which still goes on) and Apple's horrible management before SJobs broke the entire plan.
If Google had a credible rival in advertising business, it would prevent trust allegations. Not a real rival, a rival having 20-30% of market would be enough.
Open Firefox in your 30 inch presentation monitors. Let it open 2 windows and put them next to each other on desktop both showing same time.
Now, open these addresses.
http://adwords.google.com/
http://advertising.yahoo.com/ (I don't even KNOW live.com advertising url)
Act like you are a little company wanting to advertise your product and compare them, especially international language support.
I don't like Google, its policies etc. but there is a fact that they don't have competitor at all. Not because they send a secret signal to advertiser brains, their advertising system is way better that is all.
Want to compete? My nr1 suggestion would be "quality control" of ads. Give users chance to click "spam" in advertising or some sort of "thumbs down" scheme, use the already included MCafee siteadvisor for ads etc. E.g. there is no way to prevent Scientology advertising attack on Slashdot. If there was a tiny button like "spam" or "off topic", I would click it and have the really mattering ads show. It is not something can be done by Google or Slashdot.
For a long time, I don't click to software "want to download ...., click here?" ads too. I don't trust them, I go to site itself or a trusted, edited download site. That is where my "mcafee siteadvisor" idea comes from.
Are doomed. The tech roadways are littered with the corpses of companies that got involved in a deal with Microsoft.
Prediction: Yahoo! will suffer the same fate. Negotiations will continue until Microsoft has all the details on what Yahoo! does and how they do it - then the negotiations will fail and Microsoft will "innovate" the technology and claim it as their own. They've gotten away with this so many times already - and I'm sure someone will show up in this thread to list off the companies that made this mistake.
If like me you read the business section of your broadsheet, then you'll probably be a little happier about this.
For those that didn't, Karl Icahn has been a one man activist investor of late. While admittedly Yahoo has had no compelling game plan, Icahn has quite simply been shit-stiring the whole Microsoft approach in order to get Yahoo to cave in. Originally MS wanted to buy out Yahoo's search business - but what would that leave the rest of Yahoo with? Icahn has been vocal about Yahoo not accepting several MS offers, so much so he's now got two seats on the Yahoo board in order to shut him up. The MS position was a simple win-win: gut one competitor, become stronger against google. Yahoo would get nothing but capital.
The Telegraph's business section insinuates Yahoo as missed out on the MS deal, but imho Icahn is a destructive force and a publicly vocal MS fanboy who's ignorant of the last 5 failured for MS search relaunches. Yahoo.com needs search (regardless of who provides it) to remain a serious internet business. It cannot move to advertising and mail alone - just look at Doubleclick's poor growth (wtf did the SEC approve the doubleclick/google merger?!). People notice when search engines become irrelevent - just look at the death of hotbot/altavista/lycos.
With this deal Yahoo remains Yahoo when MS lose interest.
The name Yahoo, which comes from Yet Another Hierarchical Officious Oracle, now will be Yamse, Yet Another Microsoft Search Engine.
Until the skies turn blue...
Until the air of freedom strikes us...
and you ms boys, dont give me any shit - just days ago microsoft pulled another stunt with the open source release move and it turned out they did it to save their ass.
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Isn't making them use Bing bad enough already?
You don't realize how good exchange and outlook are until you don't have them.
I didn't realize how BAD outlook was until I had to use it. I would far rather use Gmail's webmail interface... and I hate the quirky "conversation-oriented" interface I get from Gmail... than Outlook. If I never had to play find-the-option in Outlook, or wait for Outlook to s-l-o-w-l-y search my tiny mailbox (haven't they heard of indexes?), I would be so happy... but they're totally Microsoft-centric at work.
If your IMAP client is freezing, get a better IMAP client. You're not trying to use Outlook for IMAP mail are you, you poor sod?
When you put your mouse over the icons it gives you a preview of the clip along with the sound.
I would rather search for movies by slamming my hand in a door. I hate that kind of laggy UI spam, and turn it off whenever it shows its geeky face. My browser thanks me for it, and rewards me with faster response times wherever I go.
Exception thrown by target of invocation: Reference not found.
I think we can keep recursing like this until someone returns 1
Sounds like a problem with your sysadmins. My business runs google apps software locally and it's an absolute dream.
Bing is actually decent, as a first "serious" attempt at taking on Google. The search results are not as good as Google's (then again, Google's have been going gradually down, too), but it has a lot of nice features to allow you to filter and narrow down common types of searches, like restaurant searches by price, or finding good stores to buy something.
The drawback? If you're anywhere except the US, then it sucks. Hard. Search results are awfully bad, and all the nifty features that makes it different from Google are gone. I almost suspect that for non-US countries, Bing is just a skin over Windows Live Search, because its really night and day compared to US Bing.
End result: if you're in the US, give it a shot...regular search won't be as good, but many types of searches will have tools to assist you, bringing it up a notch. If you're not in the US, don't even try.
We don't take kindly to frenchies round these here parts,
http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=google&word2=bing
google: 2,130,000,000 results
bing: 10,800,000 results
winner: google
http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=google&word2=yahoo
google: 2,130,000,000 results
yahoo: 2,310,000,000 results
winner: yahoo
So...is this the extend step? If so, then let's just assume that it's dead now.
Here is the link to the delete your account page: https://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.slogin=&.intl=us&.src=&.bypass=&.partner=&.done=https%3A//edit.yahoo.com/config/delete_user&pkg=&owd=
Yang! cf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Yang
Don't need to do a Google fight. For everyday programming/IT/troubleshooting searches, Google just flat out owns the competition.
Do a search on 'bugcheck' (Microsoft term for blue screen of death).
Google top results:
- Bugcheck Wikipedia definition.
- List of bugcheck codes.
- Interpreting bugcheck codes.
This is pretty much what I would expect the top 3 to be. Definition, list and how to interpret them.
Yahoo:
- Bugcheck Wikipedia definition.
- Bacteria test kits
- Some douchebag's bugcheck.org website that has nothing more than an email address.
Bing:
- Bugcheck list.
- Same bacteria test kit as Yahoo.
- Some random bugcheck for USB drives.
- Interpreting bugcheck codes.
- Wikipedia bugcheck article.
- Some more bacteria crap.
Hello? I am doing a search on 'bugcheck', aka BSOD, not some random bacterial removal chemical crap. Why can Google filter out the relevant information but not the rest of the competition? Don't even get me started about Java code searches. Bing has far less results for Java code related searches than Google.
Yahoo is making a mistake by taking Bing, their results will suck even more.
The two guys that started google said that they'd run the company in the most benevolent way. Now, it's positioned to take over the world.
I was able to find several copies of a clip that was actively being served takedowns (so it would appear for a while on a site and then go away) on Bing, but none on Google Video. I'm no Microsoft fan but for this particular purpose I was impressed. Google's still my default though :) Bing is just another option to keep handy.
To me i'd rather get a short preview of the movie before I click on the actual thing rather than actually go to another page, stream the movie and find out its the wrong one.
Have you ever actually used Google Video Search?
Yeah, but if you were searching for the bacteria testing kit Google would have failed. Where as yahoo and bing returned both.
Lol, so now the search engine is magically supposed to read your mind?
Besides... I have never heard of bugcheck ever being associated with BSOD. First I've heard of it. Probably because it isn't a WELL KNOWN link.
Seriously, if you prefer google's results, then stick with google. But don't try to peddle some useless "proof" that google's results are better.
Hello? I am doing a search on 'bugcheck', aka BSOD, not some random bacterial removal chemical crap.
Well, the "random bacterial removal chemical crap" happens to be called "Bug Check Bacteria Test Kits. So what did you expect Bing to do - read your mind?
Actually it can do it (both Google and Bing), if you log in so it can track your searches. I strongly suspect that you've got more relevant (from your POV) results from Google simply because you use it more (got a GMail account, by chance?), and it knows your habits much better.
Between the SEC and the FTC, over one billion US tax dollars are allocated. We've all seen so many wonderful examples of the beautiful outcome when large entities combine and partner... GM, AOL/Time Warner, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. So, what are those departments for? What are they doing? I'd like some Change(tm), please.
I did not use the Yahoo search engine, actually I don't know why. I tried to use Bing but it is very aggressive in promoting commercial sites, annoying. Did like the video search demo though. Too bad I never search for videos. So what do I care that one engine I don't use gets replaced with an other one I don't use either? Tell me something I do care about...
I take you never looked in Windows Event Log. It's how Microsoft identifies BSODs.
It's important to remember that the Findings of Facts you link to was not the final word on the matter. The appeals court rejected some of those "facts".
If I were searching for that I would have put something like 'bug check' (note the space?). Yahoo and Bing both assume I can't spell and that I forgot the space between the 'bug' and 'check'.
Doing a search for 'bug check' (space in between) on Google does return on 3d spot the anti bacterial crap. Which is what I would have searched for it. Without space, it returns the BSOD information which is what I would have wanted.
Could you give some details on where it would have done so (as to the facts rather than points of law) in spite of the standard of deference?
Hasn't it only vacated the District Court's remedies decree?
Apparently you've never had to use a webapp that only works in IE6. And yes, there are still far too many of them out there.
Never let a lack of data get in the way of a good rant.
They rejected the finding that Microsoft attempted to extend its monopoly to the browser market.
I remember when google.com was lighter.
aaah.. the memories..
Yahoo, this is the first step towards your end. Enjoy!
What i want instead, is a better Google. Lately Google has
begun piling tiny crap here and there. It's beginning to show.
The point is. Google never remove crud. It's downhill from here. Damn.
(Kinda reminds me how slow slashdot has become)
This isn't a troll. You may not agree with it, but that doesn't make it a troll.
On another note what is with all these stupid names Microsoft has been giving their search engines these days? I guess all you guys who talk about how stupid FOSS project names are, are going to keep mum on Bing (soon to be named Bukkake or something another).
This is an especially good point here. First "LiveSearch" and now "Bing", and of course "Zune", what is with the people at Microsoft and naming things? The company is schizophrenic; on the Windows side, they have a bunch of products with completely boring, highly generic names like "Windows", "Office", "Internet Explorer", "Word", etc. And then they have a bunch of off-the-wall WTF names like "Bing" and "Zune". And MS fanbois have the gall to make fun of Linux apps for weird names?
You've got to be kidding. I use Outlook/Exchange, and have for about 9 years now, and it sucks. It sucks the most at my current employer, where clicking on a message frequently means Outlook freezes up for about 30 seconds to open the message. My Google Mail account by comparison is extremely fast and quick to work with. The only place where Outlook ever worked well for me was when I worked at Intel, and that was probably because they spent a shitload of money on fast Exchange servers. If you need to have the highest-end hardware just to get your local email client to work decently, then something's wrong.
why is that? i know they just gained one more customer as i start closing down any yahoo account i have.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
...For you morons. Seriously, Yahoo was worth having an account at BEFORE Microsoft did this? Clueless...
"They confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal!"
You would think Yahoo would have a better sense of history. When MS are your friend your days are numbered.
It's the MS 1, 2, 3
1. Embrace
2. Extend
3. Delete
Class Yahoo {
(Chances-of-long-term-survival) === Null;
return = -1;
}
Of course they assume their users can't spell - their target market is composed of a bunch of yahoos and people who think Internet Exploder == teh Intert00bs. Spell? Heck, many of them can barely read!