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Playing a First-Person Shooter Using Real Guns
Blake writes "A group called Waterloo Labs rigged up a few accelerometers to a large wall and projected a first-person shooter onto it. Using some math, they can triangulate the position of impacts on the wall, so naturally they found someone with a gun and bought a large case of ammunition. Even cooler, this group usually posts a 'how we did it' video a few weeks after a project's debut, including source code."
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For their next project they can work on not being so fucking annoying. Either that, or go stand in front of the screen for the ultimate realism in FPS technology.
I sure hope it's bullet proof!
This will only encourage those idiots that say games are simulators for killing people.
On a brighter note it was still a pretty cool idea.
This type of thing has been done at shooting ranges around the world. Usually it involves laser modules added to a weapon, but some of them allow use of actual munitions without modifications.
Most are hunting or self-defense simulations.
Shooting at a close wall representing a target far away, and shooting at a target far away are not the same thing, ballistically speaking. Depending on the angle, a shot taken might have traveled past the intended target and missed if it were for real. Also, a closer shot means you don't have to adjust for windage or elevation, or at least as much. In Marine Corps boot camp, we fired at man-sized targets at 500 yards outdoors, which is not easy. I knew someone in the air force who said they did the same thing - little targets much closer indoors. Not surprisingly, he thought it was easy.
All that being said, this sounds pretty cool. It might liven up range time if nothing else.
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Just saw that last night in one of their patented "off the wall tangent" clips. They were playing paintball in the house and realized they didn't have paintball guns, so they decided to use real guns.
When I was in the ARMY we trained on a video game system that had normal ar15's connected to gas lines that would simulate a round being fired. The whole wall in the trailer would be the target zone, close and far distances. This would also have wind, barometric pressure, and temperature so you know how to adjust your fire. And this was back in 2003, so how exactly is this new? This system would also use live ammo, but the ballistics gel isn't a fine surface to project onto.
And gimme Duck hunt!
This actually sounds fun - but its going to make the physical brutality (exercise!) of certain Wii games look like a walk in the park (also exercise).
That's real helpful when you're at 38,000 feet and Mach 2.3, and your target is somewhere over the horizon. Yet another example of government waste.
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I've tried. They just stop showing the pretty pictures.
Having to work for a living is the root of all evil.
Jack Thompson! Sigh. Hopefully he or someone else like him does not see this.
Granted, their version used something like Airsoft pellets rather than live rounds, but the idea was the same. Kind of a fun game, if you ignore the pellets that keep bouncing off the target and hitting you in the face...
Some info on the game.
Finally, a chance to level playing field against all the smack-talking 13 yr olds playing COD on Xbox live, Say hello to my M203
Live ammo is actually irrelevant part of the project.
It would have been far cooler if they played the fact that ANYTHING thrown at the wall registers as the accelerometers they've placed in the wall measure impact of practically anything.
As can be seen at the end of the video - it is far more fun to hit zombies with shovels than to shoot them.
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Found someone with a gun? Makes it sound like it was a challenge. I keep mine close to my bed, Most of my friends have safes full of guns. The challenge would have been picking the coolest gun in the bunch to use!
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the same was thought when fighters were
designed for viet nam. it turned out to be
a very expensive mistake it's possible to
carry many more bullets than missles.
I preferred the bit at the end where they start dispatching the bad guys with shovels.
Now I want to play Left 4 Dead with a shovel!
... where walls, accelerometers and all that fancy stuff is optional.
Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.
Ssshhhh, any FPS player knows that bullets travel in infinite straight line at the speed of light.
Unless you use lasers in space shooters. Contrary to a popular disinformation spread frivolously by those lousy physicists, lasers are actually very slow. With a proper engine upgrades, you can outmanuver them easily.
I'd be really concerned that a player, even temporarily, forgets that the gun is real (since he's also playing a video game), and carelessly shoots someone with his "controller".
Wouldn't this me just as fun with blanks?
Science and firearms are fun you liberal douchebags!
This is a recent twist on something that has been going on in Firearms training since (at least) the 1970's.
My father, who was an LE firearms trainer for 20 years, would setup a sheet of drywall and movie projector and play "home movies" of car stops and building entries filmed in the first person. The student would fire live ammunition at the "screen" and the projector would be paused at the moment that the terminal force decision was made/executed.
Discussions would then be carried out about the shoot out and then the next guy would go (with a new clip, of course).
Low tech? Sure, but not bad for some rural cops 25 or 30 years ago...
Having said that... This is an amazing idea and I would very much like to build one of these for myself. I always wanted to play Redneck Rampage with my USP45. :)
An actual use for Arisoft guns.
Do you have any idea how long it takes to dig graves for twenty-three oak trees?
It's funny how they were able to think up this quite cool technology use but then manage to get their explanatory graphics wrong. At 0:40 in their Youtube clip, they show the shockwaves travelling out from the sensors and then intersect at the impact location. That is, of course, the exact opposite of what is really happening.
The whole idea of playing Half Life is not to go outside with real guns and kill aliens, but to sit in front of your laptop and killing them with mouse clicks.
If I wanted to kill aliens with real guns, I could do that without starting my PC... right?
in other news, the ministry of defense announces they already have a multiplayer version available.
Colonel W.A.R. Monger said, "Our version is not only multiplayer, we were finally able to eliminate the need for convulated electronic equipment. We can do without it now!"
The Colonel refused to elaborate on how exactly they accomplished this feat, stating the fierce competition in this business as the primary reason. However, the 2 demonstrations given so far, in their testing centers in Iraq and Afghanistan, were very convincing.
The Colonel also said "We have good hope that before the end of 2010 we can reduce the dependency on expensive equipment by 90%, leaving only people and cheap guns, vastly reducing the costs of playing our MMO's. We expect a significant advantage over our competitors from this."
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Reminds me of basic training in the army in the 70s. A projection screen is rolled around two rotating vertical cylinders, one on the left and one on the right, therefore forming a "double layer screen". A movie is projected on the front of the screen and light also shines from the back. The trainee shoots at the screen, where the movie representing the advancing enemy is running. At the "bang", the movie projector freezes the frame and we can see light shining from the back through the two aligned holes in the front and back screens. The instructor can determine whether it's a hit and then the cylinders are rotated so that the front and back holes are not aligned anymore and the impact disappears, and the exercise continues.
Do not shoot off screen to reload!!!!!
Everything is easy when you don't understand the problem.
I have seen lasers and blanks with rifles and differing scenarios for military use, but real bullets would make it even more real since you would get the kick, muzzle rise etc. This would be more realistic than blanks and a laser. So IMO this is really cool and I want one.
I wonder how this affects lag? Sure, a bullet will get to the wall pretty quickly, but in some games, there is basically zero lag between firing and hitting the enemy. Here you fire, the bullet hits, the computer calculates, and then the avatar shoots, right?
Well I can dream, can't I?
it's awesome.
You shoot arrows (with blunt tips) at a screen onto which they project video of fearsome beasts, like bear, deer, elk, wood chucks and fluffy bunnies.
At the end it tells you how many kill shots, wounding shots, and misses you had.
After they had me arrested at wild-life safari, I had to find something to do . . .
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Worked for a company (Advanced Interactive Systems) in the late '90s that had a system to track real bullets from real guns, with the bullets passing through a self-healing screen. System could track anything from a single shot from a .45 to every round out of an AR-15 at full auto, etc. Was the basis for FPS and other apps for indoor shooting ranges and an option for the PRISim system for police & military training.
From their website, it looks like this 'lives on' in some of their current products.
I loved Heinlein as a kid. My respect for him plummeted when he had a female character that we were supposed to identify with marry a guy who had raped and tortured her ("Friday").
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re -- "Shoot back?" comment above -- the answer for PRISim was "yes, it did shoot back and yes, it could shoot first." Used to teach LEOs proper use of cover -- but the rounds are 'toned down' a bit -- just left a bruise. "credible threat of pain" really puts your head in the game !
However - slightly off topic since this was not sold with the live fire system. The purpose was to provide the trainer with a means of forcing the user to make their mistakes in the sim, not the field. Mistakes w/ live ammo "would be bad"
[disclaimer - worked for them]
It's a neat idea, but Holy Crap that video was annoying.
We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion.
This was not an FPS; this was a shooter on rails.
This is not new; gun ranges have been doing this for years, I believe with a big specialized rubber sheet. What may be new is they're using sensors attached to a sheet of drywall to do this, and they did it themselves (vs. a commercially-designed system that I shouldn't doubt is much more complex).
You know, like ricochet off the wall.
Scott Carr
90s-era American science fiction movie starring Kurt Russell? Hardly!
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Irony 1, Yanks 0. As usual.
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What's "expert"? The list of qualifications. Then more please on your 221 and 7 out of ten experience. 7 out of 10 what's?
For example in my little world of high power rifle.
A Individual classification
High Master 97% or above
Master 94%-96.99%
Expert 89%-93.99%
Sharpshooter 84%-88.99%
Marksman below 84%
B targets and sizes
200 yard target
Aiming black
x ring 3"
10 ring 7"
9 ring 13"
Rings in white
8 ring 19"
7 ring 25"
6 ring 31"
5 ring 37"
300 yard target
Aiming black
x ring 3"
10 ring 7"
9 ring 13"
8 ring 19"
Rings in white
7 ring 25"
6 ring 31"
5 ring 37"
600 yard target
Aiming black
x ring 6"
10 ring 12"
9 ring 18"
8 ring 24"
7 ring 36"
Rings in white
6 ring 48"
5 ring 60"
What are your target values, the size of the 10, 9, 8, etc rings?
Thanks,
Jim
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Yeah, definitely needs to wash hands before cooking. Computers are dirty!
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What's described is little different from firearms training systems such as CAPS, which project live-action video onto a life-size shoot-thru screen - allowing training with full-power live-fire in realistic situations. Police, military, and citizens* have been using this technology for more than a decade (albeit perhaps not quite as technically sophisticated).
(* - some of us realize that the police & military won't be there for us when their job needs to be done.)
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Too right.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3505414.stm
idclip would just cause headaches, unfortunately
... you'd get to use it at banks, safes and shower cubicles of the opposite gender.
When used together with idbehold-i, it'll be perfect!
Imagine if they hooked up something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQw1tsgrJOs
Just browsing the summary, but this sounds very similar to some of the archery systems they have set up at hunting stores.
A woodland scene is projected on a screen, and you actually fired your own arrows (points replaced with a blunted tip) onto the screen. It would mark where you hit, and then 'score' your performance based on where it felt the best position to shoot the animal was.
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Just play enough CS, and you'll start hallucinating. More realistic too.
A friend of mine does this with golf. Makes a pretty good living off it too. (Golf is significantly less dangerous though.)
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Does it work w/ an engineer's wrench? Those things are brutal 8'). What about an Axe wrapped in Barbed wire?
How much is your data worth? Back it up now.
Just sayin', I mean they did use Halflife for the demo.
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I hate Illinois.
(No Class III here. For those of you outside the United State, that's the fun stuff like full auto, short barreled weapons and "silencers". Heavily regulated since the 1930s, completely verboten in the benighted province of Illinois.)
It was called combat.
And I am utterly mystified as to why anyone in their right mind would consider it "fun."
Regards;
You're absolutely sure? So when exactly was this knowledge passed on to the public so that they could create a similar setup that could be used with video games?
The game wouldn't last too long.