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How Do You Extend Your Wireless Connection?

ganjadude writes "So I am moving to a location where the cell signal is very poor (I don't get signal inside my house), and I have been looking at wireless extenders such as the ones that Sprint and Verizon have. I am brought down by the cost (Sprint charges monthly, Verizon $250 up front, AT&T.... well they are AT&T). Being that this is Slashdot, and a lot of us live in basements (I kid!), I assume that some of the crowd has had this issue in the past. What have you done, or what alternatives are available to someone in such a situation?"

214 comments

  1. Wifi by alop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I use google voice, over wifi while at home.
    If you have T-Mobile and a blackberry device, you have use UMA over wifi as well.

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    1. Re:Wifi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use google voice, over wifi while at home.
      If you have T-Mobile and a blackberry device, you have use UMA over wifi as well.

      What platform does google voice support calling over wifi only?

    2. Re:Wifi by RugRat · · Score: 1

      I have a blackberry curve on T-Mobile. I use UMA over Comcast internet quite successfully. I do not pay any extra for this capability, though it might be part of my rate plan.

    3. Re:Wifi by iammani · · Score: 1

      Any platform that supports SIP though wifi

    4. Re:Wifi by MDMurphy · · Score: 1

      I don't think so.

      Google Voice isn't a VOIP service, it's a forwarding / routing service. You might be able to have it route to another service, like Gizmo, but by itself you'd not going to send/receive calls.

      Makes a pretty good answering machine though, so you could use to listen to messages and call them back when you're in cell coverage, but that's not quite the same.

    5. Re:Wifi by alop · · Score: 1

      GV uses data service. If you're mobile, it's sending over 3G/EDGE. At home it uses wifi. My usage statement last month showed 245MB data usage Vs only 9 minutes of airtime used. That was for calls that came to my cell phone directly, that didn't dial my GV number.

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    6. Re:Wifi by arth1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If finding a solution to the actual problem of not being able to respond to phone calls is what's important, may I suggest an alternative workaround?

      Forward your cell phone to a land line in your basement.

    7. Re:Wifi by BobPaul · · Score: 1

      If you use the Google Voice app, you make a receive calls over SIP.

      If you aren't using the Google Voice app, you have to call your Google Voice number first, and that means your call goes over POTS.

      I understand how you got you're confused. You probably don't have a smartphone with the Google Voice app.

    8. Re:Wifi by BobPaul · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Don't have T-Mobile, but when they released it, it was included in all T-Mobile plans and any calls you START on wifi (even if you transition to cellular mid call) are free, while any calls you START on cellular (even if you go home and transition to wifi mid call) count against your minutes.

      So... when you're driving home, hang up and call back, but if you're leaving the house, keep talking.

    9. Re:Wifi by GreyLurk · · Score: 1

      On which smartphones? I know that the Google Voice app on the Blackberry Curve still uses voice minutes.

    10. Re:Wifi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I don't know why your bill shows what it does, but GV by itself absolutely does not do what you are describing. It only uses the data connection to tell GV servers to initiate a call (when using the GV dialer on Android or the web page on iPhone). From there it uses your minutes (yes, you can use a friends and family plan with your GV to make it look like it uses no minutes, but that doesn't make it use 3G data). It flat out isn't SIP. Now, sure, if you have it forwarding to a Skype number or the like then it would be using data - although GV wouldn't actually "know" it. If you were doing that though you could just use Skype or the like directly and not bother having GV involved (although GV could certainly serve to aggregate your numbers so the caller didn't need to know to call the Skype number, the cell number or other). Are you sure you don't have GV forwarding to a VoIP or SIP provider? Because not only does my usage totally disagree with yours - so do all the FAQ's from Google about their service.

    11. Re:Wifi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/cell-phone/b32e/
      $329.99 it works great!!!
      I had one bar now 5
      Nothing gets geeks into a seething tech frenzy like poor cellphone reception... and it doesn't help that we love the iPhone and AT&T sucks for cellphone service. Sad. Well quit staring at your one-bar-worth of signal strength and pick up this handy Cellphone Signal Extender for your home or office. Simply mount the included antenna near a window and run the coax cable to the base booster unit. You get 1500 square feet of prime signal area. We went from 1 bar... to 5 at the ThinkGeek secret headquarters and made our iPhones very happy in the process.

    12. Re:Wifi by noc007 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I do have a smartphone running Android with the Google Voice app and this is not the case. As MDMurphy stated, GV is a forwarder and this is how the app functions; outbound GV calls still call the local GV number and use minutes. I believe alop has a Gizmo5 account, which is a SIP service acquired by Google in November, and is the only SIP service supported to directly work with GV without a POTS call having to be initiated.

      Googles FAQ backup what MDMurphy and myself are saying:
      http://www.google.com/support/voice/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=115079
      http://www.google.com/support/voice/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=115104

      Even if one were to have a Gizmo5 account before they stopped accepting new accounts when Google acquired them, a SIP client app is still required; the GV app for Android will not connect via SIP and will still use airtime. The only way around this is to get a SIP account, Gizmo5 or not, and use a SIP client. GV can be optionally used depending on what services the SIP account provides and what you want to do. Additionally a service like SIP Sorcery might be needed depending on what you're doing:
      http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ae8glDUXDsh9ZGR2eG43cjRfMzNkOTM4ZjNjeA&hl=en&pli=1

      Google has stated that they plan on bringing SIP connectivity to the GV service in the future as part of their Gizmo5 purchase. Besides having a Gizmo5 account or jumping through the hoops of what's documented in the last link, I'm interested in how one can use GV via SIP or WiFi and no call over POTS or a mobile network using minutes.

    13. Re:Wifi by slimjim8094 · · Score: 1

      No, it doesn't. It does call setup (instructing GV to call your cell) over data. But your GV phone number is *just* a phone number.

      Perhaps you added your GV number to your 'calling circle'?

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    14. Re:Wifi by Selivanow · · Score: 1

      The reason that you get 5 bars is because you are communicating with the extender. It acts like a cell tower. The real question is how good is the quality of the actual call?
      If the extender's connection to the cell tower is bad then the call quality will still suck.
      (Other bonus of using a repeater is lower battery usage!)

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    15. Re:Wifi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sprint will give you a Femtocell free with no monthly charge if you are in an area of poor reception. They did this for me about 6 months ago and I'm a happy camper now.

    16. Re:Wifi by RJFerret · · Score: 1

      A friend had this problem, horrible reception at home and also didn't like the landline voicemail. She signed up for Google Voice and gave out that number instead, voilà, one voicemail/text msg solution, answer whichever phone is most convenient/best at the time.

      A nice feature of GV is you can actually transfer a call from your cell to your landline and vice-versa (incoming calls only). I've answered when driving home, gone inside and switched to the landline; also the other way, I've answered calls inside, longer than I was expecting, switched them to my cell so I could drive out.

    17. Re:Wifi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried android. Sipdoid on g1 didn't work well. I have a htc kaiser (at&t tilt). Android is almost ported. Been testing that for a while. Mic driver is an issue at the moment. When I have used sipdroid successfully before the mic driver crashes sipdroid quality was better than it was on g1, but still not as good as winmo. Winmo has bugs, i.e. you can only make 1 call at a time, an inbound voip call while using voip will result in frustration. 1 line use though is perfect providing you have all the reg tweaks and needed programs (i.e. autoaudioroute). Search on tyler51773 xda-developers read my post first if your trying to get it up, save your self alot of headache. I havent tried nokia's phone, but they actually are commited to voip and i'm sure they have a good client. WM7 is going to be a backslide from 6.5 as they are not fixing the voip issues, and are limiting the os. I hope that droid get's it together, if not I may end up going with nokia sooner or later.

    18. Re:Wifi by afidel · · Score: 1

      Actually UMA will not roam a call from cellular to WiFi, that's to keep you from ping-ponging in fringe WiFi coverage areas. Also the unlimited minutes need Hotspot@Home AFAIK, UMA without it counts against your minutes. You can probably get Hotspot@Home added to any but the lowest tier plan for free if you ask the right questions. We had it added to our corporate plans despite the fact that technically it's not supposed to be available, as always money talks =)

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    19. Re:Wifi by hitmark · · Score: 1

      iirc, google bought gizmo recently, and provides easy setup for linking google voice and gizmo.

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    20. Re:Wifi by hitmark · · Score: 1

      you cant transfer a outgoing call if you use google voice to initiate the call?

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    21. Re:Wifi by belson · · Score: 1

      Sprint will give you a Femtocell free with no monthly charge if you are in an area of poor reception. They did this for me about 6 months ago and I'm a happy camper now.

      How do they define an area of bad reception? In my apartment I have less than one bar, but if I walk out into the street I can pick up 2 or 3 bars. Did you just have to complain a lot?

    22. Re:Wifi by Anachragnome · · Score: 1

      We just bought a house in a deep, but narrow valley that was right on the border of Verizon's coverage map. My old Samsung phone got a decent signal but my wife and daughter's newer Samsungs didn't get shit.

      We tried the Verizon extender. The one VERY important thing that the reps do NOT tell you is that the device is completely dependent on a strong GPS link for 911 service calls (required by law).

      For me that meant that since I live in a deep, narrow valley and had line-of-sight on only one satellite at a time, the device was completely non-functional. The other thing is the return policy. They will ONLY give you Verizon credit.

      Since we only had an issue at home, we simply got a cheap landline ($20/month, limitless long distance continental US) and had our cell messages state the number in case callers couldn't get through on the cells. They simply call the other number. Works peachy.

    23. Re:Wifi by NiteShaed · · Score: 1

      Did you just have to complain a lot?

      They sent me one after I complained about poor reception on my Pre and started mentioning that my friend's iPhone worked fine at my house, and that maybe I should look into getting one of those. They shifted me to the customer retention department, who said they'd be happy to give me a femtocell repeater, which works pretty well. YMMV though, I've been a Sprint customer for over 10 years, so I'm not sure how much my "long-term" status played in my favour.....

      For anyone who cares, the Pre's reception really was crappy (got it the day it came out), but after a few software and PRL updates it's been pretty comparable (or better) than other Sprint phones I've had.

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    24. Re:Wifi by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      To answer the original question:

      I would wait until I actually move into the new apartment before doing anything. Why? Because when I first moved to my new room there was virtually no signal (1 bar) and although I could receive messages, I couldn't dialout voice calls. - But then about 3 hours later I had 5-6 bars. Apparently the local tower detected my phone's presence, self-adjusted itself to "steer" the signal in my direction, and I've had a strong signal ever since.

      Perhaps this questioner will experience a similar phenomenon after he moves-in and his phone establishes a long term contact with the nearby tower.

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    25. Re:Wifi by RJFerret · · Score: 1

      Not on outgoing calls, which I understand as you'd presumably have made the call from the line you wanted to!

      However there are other features that only work on incoming calls, like call recording (!?) and conference calling that would be nice to be able to use via outbound calls too.

      They do act on feature requests though, they've added SMS to email, with replies from email directly.

    26. Re:Wifi by hitmark · · Score: 1

      ah, i see now that its covered on their help page. Quite the odd limitation.

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    27. Re:Wifi by __1200333 · · Score: 1

      Google voice does not support SIP directly, but through Gizmo5 which does not allow new user signups yet. And let's not get started about what your caller ID will show when you call someone else.

      I think the GP could use wifi to initiate a call on google voice's web interface and then received the call through Gizmo5 with a SIP client (either his computer or phone could have a SIP client).

    28. Re:Wifi by EvilStein · · Score: 1

      That package has been discontinued, unfortunately. While you can still do UMA calls, T-Mobile now just expects you to use your minutes. We used to have the unlimited-while-on-UMA package and were very disappointed when it was discontinued.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_USA#Unlimited_HotSpot_Calling_and_.40Home

  2. Don't... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Don't move to that location?

  3. help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This should help
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875995063

    Tim Rosco

    1. Re:help by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      This should help http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875995063

      Tim Rosco

      Looks good, but I am always a bit leery of products that have no customer reviews.

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    2. Re:help by funkysoulbrother · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've used a similar wilson setup for 3+ years now (http://www.repeaterstore.com/products/repeaterkits/wilson/images/pages/soho-50db-full-kit.html). Using the repeater to an internal antenna, I boost my signal from -1 in much of the house to 4+ (out of 5) in much of the house. The only down-side I've had is it's quite expensive, and not easy to install. The 30' foot cable from the repeater to the internal antenna is 5/8" thick and was very hard to pull through my walls. It works pretty good. My signal does pulsate a bit and will still drop calls occasionally, but I think a better external antenna will help. My antenna broke this winter from an ICE Dam breaking loose, so I think I'll get a Yagi antenna instead and make it a little stronger.

    3. Re:help by Nimloth · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's the crappy car version, won't do squat for his home. Try this one instead: http://www.wilsonelectronics.com/801247.php The new DT series gets GREAT results while keeping costs low and installation troubles to a minimum.

    4. Re:help by aurizon · · Score: 1

      what you need is a bidirectional, multi band cell phone booster with an external antenna you mount high to 'see' the local cell tower. Make sure you look up your cell model to be sure the unit works with your phone.
      This place has a lookup list of what your phone is. http://www.gsmarena.com/

      This is a high on an outside wall antenna hooked to a multi band amplifier with an antenna inside the house where you want coverage. There are a few of them on ebay, the cheap ones are the old single band ones that are probably useless to you. You can even buy extra yagi antennas to hook up and point towards a cell tower that can be a few miles away. Then you can walk around in the house and when you talk the unit picks it up and amplifies it to the outside antenna and gets the signal back to you. It will also work for other people close to it.
      See if you can find one on Craigslist or Kijiji. There are lots on ebay, read specs with care. Those little flat foil plates are no good for your use.

    5. Re:help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My in-laws use something similar to this only they have it attached to an antenna pointed at a cell tower 15km away and it works great. We're 5km off of the highway, off of the grid in the Yukon (where cell phone coverage sucks anyways) and have tried numerous things since analogue cell service was discontinued last January (Yupp late) and this is the only solution thats been workable.

    6. Re:help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wilson makes good cell repeater products, I would do research on their products and find the one that is right for your carier/situation. They have a very broad range of options.

    7. Re:help by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      I've seen very mixed reviews about the DT series, and from an RF design/build quality perspective, I don't really like the look of them.

      The "big blue bricks" are not really that much more expensive and have an excellent reputation. I'm house shopping this year and am very likely going to be installing a Wilson system wherever I move to.

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    8. Re:help by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      Normally I'd agree, however this is a niche device - less customers = less reviewers.

      The actual problem with that particular item is that it's not the appropriate Wilson system for the article poster, as others have commented. (The link is to a car kit.)

      However, Wilson's "big blue bricks" have an excellent reputation.

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    9. Re:help by atamido · · Score: 1

      I'd recommend a wired version between the pickup and retransmitter. Why bother with adding an extra bit of wireless that could have potential issues?

    10. Re:help by Nimloth · · Score: 1

      I install the blue bricks professionally, so I was sceptical when I saw the DT series, but it really does work (almost) as well. The big cost difference compared to 1-dome systems comes from the wiring. LMR-400 or 9913 wiring and N-type connectors aren't really "affordable", whereas this uses standard RG6 cable and standard coaxial connectors. For a small to medium home with shaky cell coverage this will do an awesome job.

  4. Re:This, my friends. by Dice · · Score: 1

    RTFS. Cell signal, not wifi.

  5. Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use a 1 Watt military amplifier and a good antenna ... it works ...

    1. Re:Simple by afidel · · Score: 1

      DAMPS was 5W max which is why a lot of rural folks were very sad to see AT&T turn it off, I only found one place where I didn't have signal in the 7 years I had my DAMPS phone and that was on a 80,000 acre ranch outside of Zion national park.

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  6. Parabolic Reflector by billhuey · · Score: 1

    Just a build a parabolic reflector. There's plans online for doing that in the 2.4ghz spectrum that can be adapted for cell phones.

    1. Re:Parabolic Reflector by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So then you have to stand right in front of it whenever you want to talk? ... I dunno how well that would work.

    2. Re:Parabolic Reflector by billhuey · · Score: 1

      ...and then use a hands free headset. DUH ! (grin)

  7. Re:This, my friends. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What? He is taking about cell phone extenders, not wifi

  8. Re:This, my friends. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the review in the link you should warn people it's not compatible with Windows ME LOL

  9. Ask to speak to the Retentions Dept. by LurkerXXX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The phone companies do charge upfront/monthly fees for those micro-cells, but when pushed, they will often reduce or wave the charges for them to retain a phone customer. You might call your provider (be it Sprint, Verizon, etc) and talk to the retentions department.

    1. Re:Ask to speak to the Retentions Dept. by Ingenium13 · · Score: 1

      I second this. With Sprint, if you tell them you get no service at your house, and that you would like to keep them as your carrier, they will not only waive the monthly fee but sometimes will even give you the device for free.

    2. Re:Ask to speak to the Retentions Dept. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is exactly how i got mine.
      still left sprint, but they gave me free hardware/service because i said exactly that.

    3. Re:Ask to speak to the Retentions Dept. by christefano · · Score: 1

      This is what I did because of my Sprint AIRRAVE and Sprint did not waive the monthly fee. They did, however, credit $240 to my account (actually, it's $20 a month for two years) if I agreed to renew my contract.

  10. Cell Phone Repeater by mongoose(!no) · · Score: 4, Informative

    My dad lives in the shadow of a cell tower and gets no reception on his property, but does if he walks to the neighbors house (100 feet or so). I suggested he get a cell phone repeater. He now gets a bar or two, but not a good quality signal. This is the one he got (but not from Thinkgeek, I don't think). It should be noted, he also got a directional antenna that company sells to point at the nearest tower besides the one he lives under.

    1. Re:Cell Phone Repeater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For that kind of money, the OP would be better off just getting the femtocell.

    2. Re:Cell Phone Repeater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell him to get a second directional antenna and set the whole thing up at his neighbor's house. Point the signal antenna at the repeater he lives under and point the base unit antenna at his house. I bet he gets at least as many bars as when standing at his neighbor's house.

    3. Re:Cell Phone Repeater by dingram17 · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's the downside of being too close. The vertical beamwidth from the antennae will probably be too small as there would be gain, meaning that you need to be a reasonable distance away to start getting coverage. This is one of the reasons that cellphone coverage in high rise buildings is tricky -- there isn't enough signal directed upwards from ground masts, and masts that are on the top of buildings tend to not have enough down direction. Some clever use of phased arrays would solve this, but the sites are set up to serve the greatest number of people for the least cost.

    4. Re:Cell Phone Repeater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no guarantee that the cell tower he lives under is actually on the same network or using the same cellular technology even.

  11. Wireless Extender by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The current brand of femtocells don't support data services, only that old voice stuff the carriers still think is relevant. Until they do, I use a Wireless Extender from http://www.wi-ex.com with an antenna in the attic for boosting signal a bit. However, largely I use Google Voice to simultaneously ring both my home and mobile numbers - I get to decide which I pick up.

    1. Re:Wireless Extender by afidel · · Score: 1

      Uh, the AT&T femtocells most certainly do carry data, that's why they actually require a 3G device.

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  12. Wilson Electronics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use gear from Wilson Electronics, which is the only way I've found I can get a decent signal at my cabin in the woods. Inside I use a Panasonic link-to-cell house phone coupled with Wilson's cradle antenna. It's a good setup.

  13. saucepan extender by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Put it in a pot
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/30/231217

  14. get a signal amplifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.wi-ex.com --> get a unit that matches your phones frequencies. I got a dual band unit. I had no bars and my conversations dropped all the time. I ran a 50 ft rg6 cable up my tv antenna tower and connected to the omni antenna the amplifier comes with. I now get about 4 solid bars and never haved dropped a call.

  15. sprint by JDAustin · · Score: 4, Informative

    I live between two hills in a area where Sprint has great coverage but in my house I get either 1 bar or roaming. If I walk 100 yards up either hill its perfect reception. Sprint sent me a Airave ($100 normally) for free and comps me the $5 month fee. With it I get perfect reception. The Airave is not a repeater but a micro cell tower that communicates with Sprints network over a internet connection.

    1. Re:sprint by spaceman375 · · Score: 1

      Two questions: Can the guy your neighbor get a signal thru your extender? What about the kid across the street running a rogue AP and transparent proxy?

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    2. Re:sprint by slimjim8094 · · Score: 1

      1. Probably. It's a picocell. Should they not? It's using a few hundred kbps max, probably much lower.
      2. This isn't relevant. We're talking about cell signals, not WiFi. If he's got a rogue AP, it has nothing to do with his setup.

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    3. Re:sprint by spaceman375 · · Score: 1

      The picocell connects to sprint via ethernet. If you are doing that wirelessly, then it might be hijacked.

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    4. Re:sprint by slimjim8094 · · Score: 1

      They'd be fools to not use SSL. They'd probably even be required to do it by law, since the backhaul should be as secure as the communications channel (GSM and others are all encrypted).

      Would I be terribly surprised if they didn't use SSL? Not really. But they should, and it'd be easy.

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    5. Re:sprint by ZOMFF · · Score: 1

      The sprint airave is configurable to either allow all sprint customers to use it, or it can be configured to only allow specific phone numbers (configurable up to 3 unique sprint phone numbers). It should also be noted that the airave does not yet provide EVDO data access. If you have a weak EVDO signal from a tower, your device will always prefer that data connection over the 1xRTT that the airave can provide. The only true way to have data access over your handheld to the airave would be a complete absence of an EVDO signal. This may not be much of a deal if you 1) don't use much data and 2) are in your own home with access to a PC.

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  16. T-Mobile by Anubis_Ascended · · Score: 1

    Do you have T-Mobile in your area? You could try their Hotspot@Home service; it lets you use your own home Wi-fi network for voice calls (provided that you have a compatible wi-fi-enabled phone like the BlackBerry Bold 9700)

  17. Put on the Foil! by decipher_saint · · Score: 1

    Tinfoil Suit (colander "astronaut helmet" optional).

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  18. Wi-Ex Signal Repeater by crazyj · · Score: 4, Informative

    As long as you have a decent signal somewhere close enough you can run a cable to such as in your attic, or on your roof I can highly recommend the Wi-Ex YX510 from ZBoost (http://wi-ex.com/YX510.aspx). I have one at home and one at my office and they're great — as long as you have a good signal it can repeat for you. If you have no good signal nearby then you're either S.O.L. or stuck with a "mini-cell" thingy from your provider.

    1. Re:Wi-Ex Signal Repeater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Used this at my cottage and it worked. You need good horizontal and vertical separation between the base unit antenna and the signal antenna. You can also add some RF insulation (I used radiant thermal insulation) between the two. Directional signal antennas are available too.

    2. Re:Wi-Ex Signal Repeater by Olmy's+Jart · · Score: 1

      Yeah, these are the ones available from SmartHome. I agree! They work great.

    3. Re:Wi-Ex Signal Repeater by evilviper · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you have no good signal nearby then you're either S.O.L. or stuck with a "mini-cell" thingy from your provider.

      Umm... that's not really true.

      If it wasn't for the curvature of the earth, we could well have a single cell tower serving entire countries. Is there anywhere on the planet that you can't get a cell phone signal while in a jet at cruising altitude?

      With an antenna, or a repeater (a proxy antenna...) a few feet of vertical rise can double the signal strength... So while you may have no signal on ground level, getting a signal on your roof-top is quite likely, and the best location for an antenna/repeater.

      If you've still got no signal, raising the antenna on a pole, several feet above your roof-top is even more likely, still, to give you a great signal. Frankly, unless your have some MAJOR obstructions in every direction from where you are (mountain, giant sequoias, etc.), I expect it is ALWAYS possible to get a cell phone signal, with some work...

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    4. Re:Wi-Ex Signal Repeater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A colleague uses the YX510 at his office with excellent results. I use a Digital Antenna 60db unit at my office with OK results. I went from no service in a sub-level office to 4 bars. Granted, there's a 16 dBi directional on the roof pointing to the nearest cell tower. And we experience additional latency and occasional drop of the outbound side of the conversation (T-Mobile GSM). Based on our mutual results, I'd say the various repeaters will be good at boosting a marginal signal, but less good at repeating a very weak signal.

    5. Re:Wi-Ex Signal Repeater by crazyj · · Score: 1
      A few feet up would still qualify as “nearby” wouldn’t it? Thus making my statement still accurate as well as practical.

      I suppose if one could flatten the earth or had no limits to how high they could raise their antenna... but I thought the submitter would prefer a practical solution.

    6. Re:Wi-Ex Signal Repeater by 6Yankee · · Score: 1

      If it wasn't for the curvature of the earth, we could well have a single cell tower serving entire countries.

      Not on GSM, as I understand it. Because you only get a time-slot on the channel, there's a limit on how far the signal can go out and still get back before it's the next guy's turn. IIRC it's about 35km.

      (Had a "GSM fundamentals" course rammed down my throat the first week I worked at Ericsson, but it's been ten years. Feel free to pile in with corrections!)

    7. Re:Wi-Ex Signal Repeater by kqc7011 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I use the Wi-Ex with a external Yagi antenna hooked up and it is pointed at the nearest tower which is 40 some miles away. I do have line of sight. It works. Used to have to stand on a table on the deck and hold the phone up. Now I can sit in the house and talk. I do not use it for data, never even checked if I could.

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    8. Re:Wi-Ex Signal Repeater by captaindomon · · Score: 1

      I second this, it works great. I used one for six months and my reception went from 0-1 bar to full 4 bars on the phone and perfect sound. The secret is to get the most possible vertical separation between the base unit and the antenna, because the system automatically adjusts gain until it gets feedback. So the further the antenna is away from the base unit, the more it can ramp up the gain, and the better it works. As long as you have an attic or something and some good shielded coax you're good to go. And they have great resale value and hold their value, so you can sell it for 80% of the purchase price once you are done with it.

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    9. Re:Wi-Ex Signal Repeater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The secret is to get the most possible vertical separation between the base unit and the antenna, because the system automatically adjusts gain until it gets feedback. So the further the antenna is away from the base unit, the more it can ramp up the gain, and the better it works.

      You also want to minimize horizontal separation. Those antennas are dipoles (or monopoles) and have a null directly out the ends. If you put them one above the other, they will only see the reflection off walls and stuff, but no direct signal.

  19. Purple Pill by CaptainPatent · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think I heard something about a pill that will extend the range of your hardware...

    There was some drawback about a doctor and four hours though.

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    1. Re:Purple Pill by spazdor · · Score: 3, Funny

      How would you like to get your simm card's contents RIPPED IN 4 WEEKS?

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  20. Re:This, my friends. by Pojut · · Score: 2, Funny

    -_-;;

    I'll just be going over here now ----->

  21. WokFi by MarcoPon · · Score: 2, Interesting
    With home made parabolic reflectors made out of cookware! :)

    Stan Swan's WokFi site from New Zealand: http://www.usbwifi.orconhosting.net.nz/
    Fast european mirror: http://exe64.com/mirror/wokfi/

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  22. I'm hopelessly oldfashioned... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... I'd just use a land line.

  23. home based Cell phone extenders by TheCow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I haven't found anything that is less than $200, but I have a product from http://www.wi-ex.com/

    It is a simple device, that takes some work to get installed correctly, but works for me.

    Even at $240, if you are going to be living there for over 2 years, it is less than $10 per month if you choose to look at it that way.

    Just comes down to how important is better cell phone signal to you in your basement?

  24. T-Mobile by yelvington · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you get a Blackberry from T-Mobile, it will happily connect via Wifi. The technology is called UMA:
    http://www.umatechnology.org/overview/

    They may have other phones that do it as well. I don't know.

    No femtocell host is required.

  25. Threaten to cancel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I canceled Sprint due to horrible service in my area. They were offering to give the wireless extender to me for free just to stay on the service.

    Just call and threaten to cancel your service. They'll jump.

  26. Depends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you get reliable reception outside? If so, then a passive repeater might do the trick. One antenna outside captures the signal, which is then passed through a coaxial cable to a second antenna inside (and vice versa). Google "passive cell repeater". If the signal isn't strong enough for a passive repeater, you need an amplifier. Those things aren't cheap. The offers you got seem reasonable.

  27. Cellular Signal Extender by akherber · · Score: 1

    They can be hit and miss, especially if you buy low price range versions, but when set up properly these can be a life saver. This is just one of the cheaper ones I found with a quick search. Ive seen the benefits of a little more industrial version and was amazed; especially in the environment I was in. I understand you were looking for affordable, but if you consider a one time investment on an encompassing RF range at least you wont have to ever make the payments to your cell provider if you were to change a plan or change providers. Hope this helps..

  28. change provider by DaveGod · · Score: 1

    Unless you're hooked on a certain plan or whatever try other providers. I can get a solid reception on one carrier and extremely poor on all the others (but if I cross the street they're all full strength). Choice of phone does not seem to matter very much (regardless of the fibbing some do with the bars they show).

    OK so I'm from the UK and don't know how the US system works. Here there are several providers and they have their own towers (though some share some towers). Here it's also easy to get a free "pay as you go" sim card that you can use to try them out, though just asking friends around can be a more entertaining approach.

    1. Re:change provider by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      There are four major network operators in the US: two use GSM (but with different 3G data frequencies) and two use CDMA (but while Verizon will supposedly activate a Sprint phone, Sprint will not activate a Verizon one). So smartphones are effectively locked to one carrier by hardware.

      Yes, this is sub-optimal in a lot of ways. Still, it's not without its compensations: all four operators' plans allow calling from anywhere in the US, to anywhere in the US, without any charges beyond airtime - no roaming, no extra fees for calling a mobile on another network, nothing. Just because I was bored, I checked with WolframAlpha. The area of the contiguous 48 states is just over 8 million sq km. The combined area of Europe excluding Russia is just under 6 million sq km - only 3/4 of the area of the lower 48. So we pay more, and phones are tied to carriers, but I can travel 1000 miles and use my phone just like I'm at home - voice, data, text, no matter - without paying a cent more.

    2. Re:change provider by afidel · · Score: 1

      Dude, almost every GSM smartphone on the market is quad band/triple band UMTS so they can use either US band as well as both bands in the rest of the world. It would cost the phone manufacturers more to do custom IC's and per customer stock then it does to do it this way.

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    3. Re:change provider by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Are you trying to say that there's a phone that will do 3G data on both AT&T and T-Mobile in the US? Point me to it. I think you've mixed up triple/quad band GSM voice with the UMTS frequencies. (Example: Nexus One order page where you have to choose an operator.)

    4. Re:change provider by afidel · · Score: 1

      All the current Blackberry's are 850/900/2100 UMTS compatible, so they don't have coverage in 1700/1800/1900 3G but they should get you 3G just about everywhere.

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    5. Re:change provider by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Anywhere physically, yes. But AT&T and T-Mo don't roam on each other's data networks.

    6. Re:change provider by babyrat · · Score: 1

      Dude, almost every GSM smartphone on the market is quad band/triple band UMTS

      Dude...sorry can't use iPhone 3G on T-Mobile.

      Can't use the Nokia N900 3G on AT&T.

      The original Nexus One 3G can't be used on AT&T - they've just released a new version that will work on AT&T.

      Perhaps if EVERY other smarthphone could be used on both it would be almost...but I doubt that's the case..

    7. Re:change provider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the google Nexus One FAQ:

      Two versions of the device are currently offered. Both versions support four GSM radio frequencies (850/900/1800/1900), but the supported 3G/UMTS bands will differ depending on the version selected. When ordering, you'll be able to select either of the following devices:

              * 3G coverage on networks that use the 850 MHz, 1900 MHz, and 2100 MHz frequency bands (recommended for use on AT&T in the US and Rogers Wireless, Bell Mobility and TELUS in Canada)
              * 3G coverage on networks that use the 900 MHz, AWS, and 2100 MHz frequency bands (recommended for use on T-Mobile in the US)

    8. Re:change provider by afidel · · Score: 1

      What retarded monkey can make a quad band PHY but can't make it work with 3G?! Perhaps having the 3G chip capable of using multiple bands makes it enough less power efficient that they are going with the specialized part. I'm pretty sure that's just a temporary problem though, eventually they will all be back to using just one radio because it really is tremendously expensive to do it that way (the photomask for the chips are millions each these days).

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  29. Passive Antenna Repeater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My father who used to be in satellite/military communincations used to use a passive repeater system, basically two antennae connected via coax cable. The antennae would be sized for the specific frequency range you are using, and the one outside can have attached collector (like a dollar store metal colander) surrounding the antenna. Your mileage will vary depending on type and size of antennae, quality of cable used and position of the collector antenna.

    Sorry I have no more detailed information, but he was the comms genius, not me.

    1. Re:Passive Antenna Repeater by pokechop · · Score: 1

      It's called a bent pipe....and it works. I installed this, two yagis and RG6. My signal went from -80 dB to -36.

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  30. Simple. by BronsCon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Landline.

    If you're concerned that people might have to dial 2 numbers to reach you when you have no signal, set up a Google Voice number to ring both phones, then give out THAT number.

    Problem: solved.

    An added bonus -- you can configure GV to go straight to voicemail at certain hours. Get a goo night's sleep while still being contactable in an emergency (your phone is still on and anyone who has that number can be told to call it in case of emergency).

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    1. Re:Simple. by gwdoiron · · Score: 1

      The last time I checked, wired landlines gave you fantastic voice quality direct to your house. 900mhz cordless phones allow you to roam around wirelessly, without interfering with your wifi connection.

    2. Re:Simple. by galadriel · · Score: 1

      I do this (GV number calling both phones, since I can't get reception inside my house). It works reasonably well.

      If you're more adamant about getting people to use the GV number than I am, it might work more than "reasonably well" (I have some fairly tech-challenged family who don't seem to get "Call THIS number. You'll always reach me. Yes, the other two numbers still work. Don't call them. Call THIS number.")

    3. Re:Simple. by dmneoblade · · Score: 1

      I hit that one, and came to a good setup. Both cell and landline have answering machine turned off, and if I am at home and only one phone rings, I do not answer it. Took about a week to get the stubborn family members to call via GV

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    4. Re:Simple. by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      If you really want serious landline quality and great range, go track down an old 49 MHz phone. Those things might have been interceptable, but the cordless phone with the longest range and best reception I've ever had was one of those. I'd use it today if it had caller ID.

      Also, kiddies of today: you have no idea how good phones used to sound. People quit caring somewhere along the way. Remember that the logo for Sprint is meant to make you think of the bounce of a pin off a hard surface - because their original ad campaign talked about how the call quality was so good that you could hear a pin drop from across the country.

    5. Re:Simple. by whoop · · Score: 1

      But it's Google. I thought we hated the do-only-evil empire? I swear it's hard to keep up with the Slashdot memes anymore.

    6. Re:Simple. by zoomshorts · · Score: 1

      Bowling pin.

    7. Re:Simple. by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      I think that's why the terrorists are pissed at us. We let out call quality drop so much that the only pin we can hear drop from clear across the country now is a detonation pin on a nuclear bomb.

      </sarcasm class="witty-with-a-grain-of-truth">

      Seriously, though, you make a decent point and I do remember the old AT&T commercials. Oh shit, is 28 really old now? Wow.

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    8. Re:Simple. by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      We only hate them when they're not giving us free candy. Any other time, we climb willingly into their old, brown van. Mmmmmmm.... Suckers... Err, I mean lolipops.

      It's really hard to hate Google while it still appears that they haven't grossly misused any the petabytes of data they house, they don't overcharge for things that should be free, they give away things they could easily charge for, and damnit, they're just so cute and cuddly. Like a cat.

      Oh... Wait... You mean to tell me a cat has a fluffy side AND a sharp side?

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    9. Re:Simple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks! That would solve my problem also! But, how do I get a Google Voice number?

    10. Re:Simple. by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Yes, some older systems had better audio quality...and how miniscule portion of the population they could realistically serve?

      Meanwhile GSM penetration in most of Europe is above 100%; and audio quality is in the process of improvement to nice levels right as we speak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_Multi-Rate_Wideband

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    11. Re:Simple. by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Those were cordless phones for the house, not cellular phones.

    12. Re:Simple. by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Oh, in this case it's safe to say that advantages of mobile phones make the better quality of those old cordless house ones even less usefull... (and the problem about how little population / area can be served even more pronounced)

      Anyway, with the amount of voice traffic "on the other end" that goes through cellphones (also through VoIP backbone and/or private telephony switches with similar codecs?), higher potential quality of landline doesn't do much anymore... (and that's fine; it's a side effect of much more widespread availability, which is a damn good thing) Plus I linked to how cellphones are becoming better.

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  31. AT&Ts new Femtocell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/03/att-microcell/

  32. Non-wifi options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Parabolics are finicky and hard to build. A cantenna is much easier.

    An active repeater is preferable but is not legal to make unless you're a cell phone company (special government licenses, hence the high price). Passive repeaters are laughably cheap and better than nothing. They have a directional outside antenna, which you orient towards the nearest cell tower, and an omni inside antenna for reradiating the signal inside your house.

    If you're dying to communicate without wifi, you COULD use APRS (warning: 90's era webpage) to send texts over HAM bands. This is a popular interface for DIY mobile trackers: you can transmit and receive GPS coordinates over handheld radios, decoding with a laptop or microprocessor. No cell phone necessary.

    1. Re:Non-wifi options by billhuey · · Score: 1

      There are good plans out there via Google. I made one out of mylar and some left over plastic for a bridging a wifi connection across a canyon. It worked well and it shouldn't be hard to modify it for the cell phone spectrum of your choice.

  33. Re:This, my friends. by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Also, if you're too far away from the router, you're too far away. Just because it can transmit further out doesn't mean your wireless card can, unless you have utilities that allow you to adjust the transmission power. (Like in the DD-WRT firmware, you can take a Linksys from 71mW to 251mW and I can receive the signal out at the pool. I still can't access it because my laptop card won't transmit that far.

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  34. I use NetTalk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a Verizon femtocell, bought used off Craigslist for $120. Kind of annoying, actually, very annoying that is eats up minutes. I used to have Vonage but paying for both each month seemed stupid. I bought a NetTalk VOIP adapter 2 months ago, still has some bugs but $100 with unlimited calls for life. I'm assuming you have broadband since a femtocell requires it and you were looking at those options.

    Here is a link, I think you can pay over 4 months but I think you get free shipping if you pay all at once, at least I got free shipping when I paid it all at once. https://www.tk6000.com/

    No, I don't work for the company and like I said, it's still a little buggy but I can put up with it plus their support has been very good, super quick to answer help desk tickets.

  35. antenna from a car hands free set? by Kvasio · · Score: 1

    It should work well.

  36. Wilson Electronics by U8MyData · · Score: 1

    Take a look at them. A little pricey but saved my rear end in a situation just like this. http://www.wilsonelectronics.com/

  37. Verizon Wireless Extender by AaronW · · Score: 1

    I get terrible reception inside my house so I ended up getting a Verizon wireless extender. So far it's worked quite well except all location stuff is screwed up due to a bug. It has to sit near a window for GPS reception but now I no longer get dropped calls. Later this year they're coming out with a new one that also supports 3G.

    Verizon offered me a discount but it was still $200. I also can take it with me when I travel. All it needs is an Ethernet connection.

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    1. Re:Verizon Wireless Extender by spaceman375 · · Score: 1

      Two questions: Can the guy in the hotel room next to yours get a signal thru your extender? And, can the hotel IT staff sniff said connection? What about the kid accros the hall running a rogue AP and transparent proxy?

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    2. Re:Verizon Wireless Extender by AaronW · · Score: 1

      The data appears to be encrypted. You can configure it to allow only certain phone numbers. It supports up to 3 calls simultaneously and reserves a 4th for 911. If you restrict it then the only way someone else can use it is they receive no signal at all from my understanding.

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    3. Re:Verizon Wireless Extender by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      It's a mini-cell tower. Not WiFi. If someone connects through it, they have to use their cell phone/celluar modem, which means anything they do is tied to the phone's owner, not the extender's owner.

    4. Re:Verizon Wireless Extender by spaceman375 · · Score: 1

      The extender connects to the phone network via ethernet. If your connection comes via WiFi, then a nearby rogue AP could hijack it and sniff the traffic.

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    5. Re:Verizon Wireless Extender by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, if you have to use wifi to connect it make sure the wifi is secure. What point are you trying to make?

  38. Verizon Network Extender by rbphilip · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can almost always talk them down to $150, and mine works flawlessly. Best $150 I ever spent. My (basement!) office now has great cell service, as does the rest of my house.

  39. t-mobile by Son+of+Byrne · · Score: 1

    I use UMA with T-Mobile on 3 different phones (2 blackberry curves, one samsung unknown model, and one Nokia unknown model). Check T-Mob's site for the models.

    I'm *very* happy with the results from these phones using wifi/UMA. The voice quality is great and I can definitely live with the occasional dropped call versus the terrible intermittent behavior I was receiving with my former solution.

    My former solution involved Verizon Wireless using a CDMA booster that had an external antenna mounted on my roof. Let me tell you from personal experience: that sh*t don't work.

    I even dropped my voice services on my landline ever since getting the T-Mobile service. It's terrific.

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  40. Build an on-channel active repeater by n6gn · · Score: 1

    http://www.sonic.net/~n6gn/ocar/ocar.html This is essentially what one does with after market cellphone amplifiers, but the link offers more detail of the theory and what it takes to operate them properly. These amplifiers are bi-directional, both uplink and downlink are supported but in opposite directions. Use two isolated antennas and make the one pointed at the cell site (particularly) as directional as possible. I suggest a $50/$75 3' parabolic 'grid' reflector for PCS/850 MHz respectively. The ones offered for WiFi (2.4 GHz) actually work very well on PCS but not at 850 MHz and offer ~24 dBi gain. If you are really cheap, build corner reflectors http://www.sonic.net/~n6gn/corner.pdf.

  41. Wireless Extenders by azdio · · Score: 1

    I am not connected to the company selling these in any way other than I think I may have purchased something from them once.

    http://www.solidsignal.com/cview.asp?mc=00&m=Wireless%20Extenders&b=Products&pp=18

    1. Re:Wireless Extenders by Olmy's+Jart · · Score: 1

      Looks like those include the zBoost units. I have one for Sprint. Love it. I can see the signal improvement powering up the unit. I got mine from SmartHome and can highly recommend them. Just be sure to get the right unit for your band.

  42. Deliberate cripple from wifi extender vendors by La+Gris · · Score: 1

    Shortly after Orange France started selling Wifi extenders and powerline transmitters, they pushed a new firmware for theire Livebox Sagem3202 and Inventel modems that significantly lowered signal power and then quality.
    The all in one box is required if you want to use the services you pay for.
    Guess why they pushed this Wifi power reduction and disabled any access to configuration about the transmission power despite these modems can have it tuned otherwise.

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  43. use wifi by roju · · Score: 1

    Buy a phone with WiFi and just use UMA?

  44. Passive Repeater by Anti_Climax · · Score: 1

    Go to hyperlinktech.com and get 2 antennas that match to the frequency used by your type of cell phone. One should be highly directional, preferably parabolic and the other should be omnidirectional or, preferably, something with sector coverage.

    Mount the highly directional antenna so it is pointed at the strongest source of signal for your phone, preferably with line of sight to the tower. Mount the sector coverage antenna so it is centered on the area you will be using your handset. I've heard having the antennas mounted apart from each other is preferable. You then want to wire them directly together. If you can get complementary connectors on each (one N-Male, one N-Female) you can just screw them together or wire them with an extension.

    The directional antenna will act like a large collector and funnel that radio energy across the line and into your sector antenna, boosting the effective power by the sum of the antenna gains minus ~3dB. The energy output from your handset will be picked up by the sector antenna and sent back through that directional antenna toward the tower and see the same overall gain.

    I've done something similar before with wifi using parabolic antennas to shoot it around an obstacle - no additional power required.

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    1. Re:Passive Repeater by aXis100 · · Score: 1

      I know the technique (passive repeater), but I thought the losses were much worse than 3dB, eg closer to 20dB.

  45. Cellular extender / repeater by Olmy's+Jart · · Score: 1

    If what you're after is a cell phone extender, then I can highly recommend the Wireless Extender Cell Phone Signal Booster from SmartHome. They are NOT cheap (> $200 single band. >300 for the dual band unit). But, after laying my money down and running the wireless antenna up into my attic with the repeater system and antenna down in the basement, I can honestly say, I've got a better cell phone signal in my basement than upstairs on the main floor or even the second floor. Be mindful that you get the right unit for your band / service. I got one that works with Sprint and I love it. Works with my 3G data network and data card from them as well (as would be expected - it's just cellular). Comes with enough cable to span two stories up into an attic from a basement.

    Works with all 800 MHz cellular phone systems (Verizon)
    http://www.smarthome.com/9625C/Wireless-Extender-zBoost-Cell-Phone-Signal-Booster-for-CEL-Phones-YX500-CEL/p.aspx

    Works with all 1900 MHz PCS-based phone systems (Sprint, NexTel)
    http://www.smarthome.com/9625/Cell-Phone-Signal-Booster-YX500-PCS/p.aspx

    Works with both 1900 MHz PCS-based phones AND 800 MHz cell-based phones
    http://www.smarthome.com/9631/Wireless-Extender-zBoost-Home-Office-Cell-Phone-Signal-Booster-Unit/p.aspx

    1. Re:Cellular extender / repeater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "NexTel" runs on 800 trunking no?

  46. Wilson Electronics by ProfM · · Score: 1

    http://www.wilsonelectronics.com/

    I have installed MANY of these in buildings, and if you have ANY sort of signal outside the house, down to about -90dBm, these boosters will amplify that about 60dBm, coupled with a good 5dBm indoor antenna, and 10-15dBm outdoor antenna, and you get very good signal indoors.

  47. line2 by lee1 · · Score: 1

    If you have an iphone this might be useful.

  48. wire is 1/3rd the price and works better by Uzik2 · · Score: 1

    get a wired telephone.

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  49. quiet by FrankieBaby1986 · · Score: 4, Funny

    What have you done, or what alternatives are available to someone in such a situation?

    Enjoy the peace and quiet?

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    1. Re:quiet by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      What have you done, or what alternatives are available to someone in such a situation?

      Enjoy the peace and quiet?

      Finally, an escape from those booty calls!

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  50. VTech DS6321-3 DECT Bluetooth Phone System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you can get a cellphone signal of any kind in your house, look for a DECT 6.0 Bluetooth pairing cellphone systems from Vtech.

    Place your cellphone high up in the window of your best signal exposure, and then use the Bluetooth integration to distribute the incoming and outgoing calls to any DECT phone in the house.

    You can also get phone directory integration.

    Look for the VTech DS6321-3 DECT Bluetooth Phone System

    1. Re:VTech DS6321-3 DECT Bluetooth Phone System by Jim+Narem · · Score: 1

      A similar solution is to use a bluetooth to POTS adapter. Xlink makes a few, for instance
      the Xlink BT Bluetooth Gateway. Locate the gateway where you get a good signal and
      run a landline down to your basement. Never tried it, but it's got passable reviews at Amazon.

  51. I bought a blue tooth head set by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

    I have dead zones in my apartment, but I also have area's where the reception isn't that bad. I bought a blue tooth head set and put the phone down in one of the good area's. The kitchen is that area, which is pretty much in the center of the apartment. I can walk in there and dial, then am free to move where ever I want through out the rest of the apartment.

    Yes, I know it's a pain in the ass. And it will only work if you have area's in the apartment/house where you do have decent reception.

    Or, you can bundle a phone package with your internet service. And no, I am not trying to be a smart ass.

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  52. What about 802.11 networks? by ospirata · · Score: 1

    I have a D-Link DI-524 Wireless router and it is place in the middle of the apartment I live in. Unfortunately the signal is unstable at some corners, and often the signal goes below 20% and the link is broken. Does anyone has a useful solution to make the wireless router signal be replicated easier?

    1. Re:What about 802.11 networks? by aduxorth · · Score: 1

      Have a look at WDS ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Distribution_System ) capabilities.
      99% of APs have it built in these days.

  53. Re:Extend your wireless by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    V1@6ruh cheep.

    And instead of wasting a mod point to let people know about a funny joke, you modded it offtopic. Stellar mod.

  54. Re:FRAST PRAST by abigor · · Score: 1

    How on earth will that extend his cell phone range, which is what the question is referring to?

  55. Re:FRAST PRAST by tomhudson · · Score: 1, Informative

    Get a cell phone that can also use your wireless net connection like a lot of today's cell phones do.

  56. Roof Mount It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get an antenna mast and a weather proof enclosure, put a parabolic reflector on the recieving (repeater to Tower) antenna aimed at the tower, and put another reflector on the transmitting (repeater to your phone) antenna pointed straight down at your house.

    Dont forget to ground the mast.

  57. A simple but usually effective solution... by Announcer · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...is called a "passive repeater". Essentially, it is two antennas, connected by low-loss coax. You install a Yagi beam antenna in a spot with good signals, and aim it at the tower. Run the coax into the area needing signal, and connect another antenna to it, there. There are no electronics to require power, so it will operate for as long as the antennas survive. Cost is minimal.

    The Yagi beam will give gain for both, receive and transmit. This has been done with TV antennas on opposite sides of a hill, to bring signals down into a valley.

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    1. Re:A simple but usually effective solution... by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      These frequently don't actually work that well except in cases where the problem is due to heavier-than-typical shielding.

      However, the active variants (such as the Wilson big blue bricks) are well regarded.

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  58. Re:Cell Phone Booster by rfc1394 · · Score: 1

    Nope - you didn't extend your wireless connection far enough.
    For the poster - just get another cheap wireless router and use it as a wireless access point. The dlink 615 works fine and will cost you $50.00

    Wrong item; he needs a cell phone booster, not a wi-fi booster, and they're about $100 to $200.

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  59. try adding an antenna to your phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tape between 3 and 30 cm of solid copper wire to the end of your phone. Experiment with the length that works best. This will act as an antenna and help your phone's internal antenna. You can calculate the exact length of antenna to try with L=(your phones frequency)/(speed of light). Use a multiple of the fundamental length, L, for best results, but other lengths will also work.

  60. Youtube video to extend signal by ZuchinniOne · · Score: 1

    Here is an excellent youtube video that should help. Be sure to follow the directions exactly!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY8Wi7XRXCA

  61. There are much less expensive options by rfc1394 · · Score: 1

    moving to a location where the cell signal is very poor [ ] looking at wireless extenders [ ] Sprint charges monthly, Verizon $250 up front, AT&T.... well they are AT&T...

    I think they're trying to rip you off. Use Google's product lookup service Froogle and do a search for "cell phone booster". There are many types of signal extenders for cell phones from the $20 ones you stick on the battery - and I have no idea if they actually work or are about as useless as Headon - to inexpensive signal retransmitters that plug into the USB port for about $90, to standalone models for maybe $110 all the way to $190 devices and lots of choices.

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  62. Vonage by kabloom · · Score: 1

    Use vonage, set it to ring an IP phone at home as well as your cell phone at the same time. Then you can pick up whichever has reception/is convenient.

  63. 3G Microcell by kybred · · Score: 1

    AT&T just announced their 3G microcell. According to Electronista it is $150.

  64. Re:Cell Phone Booster by tomhudson · · Score: 2
    http://www.videojug.com/expertanswer/cell-phone-voip-2/how-can-i-make-voip-calls-on-my-cell-phone

    Works fine, just do like I said if your local net connection doesn't reach where you want. smartphones CAN make calls through your internet connection, unless your provider has disabled that functionality, in which case it sux 2 b u.

  65. Re:FRAST PRAST by dirtyhippie · · Score: 1

    Huh? Since when can you use that functionality for voice, and not just data?

  66. Linksys installs free extenders in many places by noidentity · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've found that linksys helpfully installs range extenders in many neighborhoods already. Sometimes I can pick up my WiFi across town! Just look for "linksys" in the SSID. It's a great service.

  67. Best Solution by inkrypted · · Score: 1

    This seems to be the best and least expensive solution I have found although I cannot vouch for the validity of this claim. http://www.hightech-edge.com/improve-3g-wifi-usb-reception-signal-cooking-pot-video/6285/

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  68. Re:FRAST PRAST by icebike · · Score: 3, Informative

    Get a cell phone that can also use your wireless net connection like a lot of today's cell phones do.

    Or get with AT&T and use their micro Cell (which is actually a femtocell) that uses your broadband to feed a home-cell just for your phones (or any you authorize).

    You have to get over the bit about paying them to allow you to provide extensions to their infrastructure, but once you climb off that soap box it provides pretty good service.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Horizons/2010/0325/AT-T-Microcell-could-help-improve-home-cell-service

    It just went nation wide.

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  69. Try the WIFI-SAUCEPAN solution... by commport1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Tsk, tsk - you should read slashdot more religiously. Already mentioned here: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/12/30/231217/Boost-a-Weak-3G-Modem-Signal-With-a-Saucepan Give it a go, it'll cost you $0 if it works.

    1. Re:Try the WIFI-SAUCEPAN solution... by bdolan · · Score: 1

      only works when the saucepan is not in use. otherwise, you'll need a spare ...

    2. Re:Try the WIFI-SAUCEPAN solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what are suggesting? That he put his phone in a suitably positioned saucepan while at home so he can receive calls? That would make talking on it a bit inconvenient.

  70. maybe this by luther349 · · Score: 0

    i found it largely depends on the phone its self. my nexttell barly works in my house wile my buddy with a new model gets 3 bars easy. you can try one of those boosters that goes inside your phones battery comparment.

  71. Line2 in Wi-Fi means rock-solid, inside reception by freemantoy · · Score: 1

    http://nyti.ms/d7Aics Interesting that David Pogue runs this story about poor reception indoors and how Line 2 gets around that problem. IPhone App to Sidestep AT&T By DAVID POGUE For a little $1 iPhone app, Line2 sure has the potential to shake up an entire industry. It can save you money. It can make calls where AT&T’s signal is weak, like indoors. It can turn an iPod Touch into a full-blown cellphone.

  72. Bluetooth landline phones??? by Em+Ellel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This may not work in every case - but if you have SOME reception in the house (as in the basement lack of coverage example) I saw something in the store the other day that I thought was a cool idea. Some of the current landline cordless phone systems now support being bluetooth clients. Basically you leave your cell phone next to the base (where you presumably have reception), and use any of the system's phones to answer or place calls.

    -Em

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    1. Re:Bluetooth landline phones??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This may not work in every case - but if you have SOME reception in the house (as in the basement lack of coverage example) I saw something in the store the other day that I thought was a cool idea. Some of the current landline cordless phone systems now support being bluetooth clients. Basically you leave your cell phone next to the base (where you presumably have reception), and use any of the system's phones to answer or place calls.

      -Em

      that looks interesting. Can you please mention some manufacturer and/or handset makers?

      So far i found only cordless phones that have bluetooth for handsfree calling (using a headset).

      thank you

    2. Re:Bluetooth landline phones??? by Em+Ellel · · Score: 1

      Erm, I was not paying attention in the store to brands, but quick Google search reveals some AT&T, GE, and Panasonic models.

      -Em

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  73. Re:FRAST PRAST by HundyCougar · · Score: 0

    Google Voice on your android phone lets you do that no problem

  74. 2 wifi routers by goffster · · Score: 1

    daisy chain the 2 routers together, you are bound to be in range of at least one of them.

  75. Plain old land line? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess a plain old land line is unavailable at your house too? Just checking...

  76. Re:FRAST PRAST by gnapster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sorry if I'm being dense, but is this not precisely what the original poster means by 'wireless extenders' which he doesn't want to pay the company for? ($250 in Verizon's case, and he has looked at AT&T.)

  77. Re:Cell Phone Booster by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

    gotta have a signal first before the cell phone booster will work. I think the guy with the dual use phone has the right idea. I think t-mobile has a phone that will switch between wifi and cell for voice calls.

  78. Cell Repeater by webscathe · · Score: 1

    If you get any signal outside your house then a cell repeater is the way to go. It takes the strong signal outside, and... repeats... it inside. If you get 3+ bars outside then an omni directional antenna (outside) is the quickest and easiest. Otherwise a directional antenna (or two if the 800 and 1900 band towers are in different directions) is the way to go.

    I've put up two of these solutions, one at work to extend the excellent signal outside into our warehouse, and another at a location that barely gets 1 bar outside, using two directional antennas to point at different towers.

    Not trying to advertise for anyone, but I got my stuff from http://www.cellantenna.com/ using modified versions of their CAE700-70 system. Granted, that's an expensive and powerful package, you might not need that high end a system for your needs. Give them a call, or try hitting up http://forums.wirelessadvisor.com/ as I got some great advice from the folks there.

    Good luck!

    1. Re:Cell Repeater by natehoy · · Score: 1

      I'll second this. I have a Zyxel $300 repeater at my house, where I get about 3 bars outside and due to aluminum siding I get zero bars inside unless I sit at a window. With the repeater, I get 5 bars near the center of the house and at least an acceptable signal anywhere inside the house, including most of the basement where my workshop is.

      Wilson also makes decent repeaters.

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  79. T-Mobile + UMA + Blackberry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a Blackberry 9700 with T-Mobile. Whenever you have WiFi you can make calls. It's just that simple.
    They've have it for years, and while they are killing their @home service, this UMA I am told is not going anywhere.
    Limited phone selection is annoying - I would like to see UMA on Android, but not yet.

  80. seconded- these are great by SuperBanana · · Score: 1

    Someone I know has one in his car because he often goes sailing at the beach where reception is very weak, but he wanted to be able to call people either for "I'm on my way home" or "I need help." The unit has a nearly identical cradle. Hiding behind that foam back is an antenna which couples any phone to the amplifier (this is why nobody makes phones with RF connectors any more.) A fairly large (foot or so high) antenna on the roof of the SUV further helps both reception and transmission compared to the phone- bigger antenna, ground plane from the roof, higher up, and outside the shielding of the car, interior bits, and your head. The general rule I found was that if you had *any* signal with the phone out of the cradle, you were guaranteed a full signal strength display and perfect calls (ie no dropped chunks of the conversation or degraded voice quality.) In some places it'd pull enough signal to make a call where no service existed before.

  81. BI Quad Antenna by quantumpineal · · Score: 1

    The absolute best thing you can do to extend your wireless capability is to buy or make a Bi Quad Antenna, then hook it to a regular wireless USB key.

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  82. A real cellphone repeter. by TechwoIf · · Score: 1

    They do sell extenders and repeaters. http://www.wpsantennas.com/residential-commercial-amplifiers-boosters.aspx While the full kits can get expensive, you can save money by getting just want you need antenna wise.

    1. Re:A real cellphone repeter. by TechwoIf · · Score: 1

      Forget to state the fact that this is a one time expense. No monthly charges. You can also get just two antennas and make a passive repeater. Put one high gain outdoor antenna pointed towards the cell tower and place a small antenna indoor connected to the outdoor one directly.

  83. WiFiagra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ba-doom tsch

  84. Re:FRAST PRAST by sonicmerlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Soapbox? It's a legitimate gripe. It's nuts that you have to pay AT&T to use your *paid for* net connection to take the load off their network. They should be paying you.

  85. iPhone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    then check this out..
    http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/109173/iphone-app-to-sidestep-att

  86. Re:FRAST PRAST by tomhudson · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It's called Voice over IP for a reason ...

  87. Re:FRAST PRAST by rew · · Score: 1

    Since the Nokia N95?

    (At least, that's where I heard about that: from the manual).

  88. An easy solution by ctrl-alt-canc · · Score: 1

    Leave your cellphone where network signal is best, and use this device for talking from remote into the handset.

  89. Search for Beamforming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read the wikipedia article... Increase the signal, the quality of the connection (you can stream movie over the beam), and use less AP.

    And it's compatible with wifi n !

    Ruckus is the only one which build good ap for that, and it's available in only few shop in US...

  90. Wireless extenders are scams by Golbez81 · · Score: 1

    Seriously, why should *I* pay *THEM* to extend their crappy coverage and ontop of that, piggy back on my broadband connection that I also pay for. If anything, they should be paying *US* to extend their coverage and use our resources. Why should we pay them to suck?

  91. Re:FRAST PRAST by NotOddManOut · · Score: 1

    True, you are taking some of the load off of the local air connection, but then you are connecting to their internal routing. To the bigger point, I agree that they are nickel-and-diming us.

  92. A location where the cell signal is very poor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "So I am moving to a location where the cell signal is very poor"

    The USA?

  93. Re:Cell Phone Booster by bsdaemonaut · · Score: 1

    He clearly stated that he has a signal outside, this is what boosters are made for and it's a heck of a lot better solution. Using the internet is only viable if you have a data connection and your phone supports it. A cell phone booster is a lot cheaper in the long run, it's paid for in 12 months or less, and that's assuming we are talking about only one person, when compared to your average $30 data plan.

  94. Re:Cell Phone Booster by bsdaemonaut · · Score: 1

    I went a little crazy, never mind my comment above. I would still go with a cell booster myself as its simply a better solution in the long run, but the whole cost effectiveness argument was clearly deluded as he wouldn't be using his phone's data plan and therefore one wouldn't be required.

  95. Stunning breakthrough by helios17 · · Score: 1
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  96. Here, let me Google that for you, OP by kheldan · · Score: 1

    http://www.repeaterstore.com/
    Seriously, did you even look? This is just the first site returned by a Google search for "cell phone repeater".

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  97. Re:FRAST PRAST by Extide · · Score: 1

    When you use a phone that supports UMA and have TMOBILE you can do this. For example, on my blackberry I can disable the mobile network, and have ONLY the wifi enabled, yet still place calls and send/receive text messages. Look up UMA. Cool stuff. Doesn't cost anything extra either.

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  98. I use WDS by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    I have 5 D-Link DWL-3200AP access points with WDS on my property. One of those is connected to the wired LAN, but the units I use also support spanning tree in case I wanted to have a multiple-attached network.

    The whole setup works great, although occasionally one of them will lose its mind and need to be reflashed.

  99. Re:FRAST PRAST by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nationwide? I just tried to get it. Typed in my zip code and it said, "Not yet available in your area". Hmmm.

  100. Re:FRAST PRAST by IshmaelDS · · Score: 1

    Of course it is, but the parent post was saying that he has to get off his soap box, you know the ones that all of us that can't shell out $250 extra for a service we are already paying for are on. I mean god forbid that when you pay for a service and there is a dead zone in an area that you spend most of your time in they couldn't provide those extenders for the time of your contract.

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  101. Not Always by theGhostPony · · Score: 1

    Around here, landlines blow chunks. The physical plant is well over 40 years old and hasn't been maintained properly since AT&T was allowed to buy out Bellsouth a decade or so ago. My line was so noisy I couldn't even use it for dial-up, yet after 8 years they still couldn't (or didn't want to) find the issue. That didn't stop them from continually raising our rates tho. I pulled the plug on them two years ago. IMO landlines are obsolete, and just another monthly bill that gives me a headache. Save your money and put it to better use (like a cell phone antenna for example).

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  102. ThinkGeek Cell Phone extender by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check this thing out from thinkgeek.com

    http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/9823/

  103. Re:FRAST PRAST by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    True, you are taking some of the load off of the local air connection, but then you are connecting to their internal routing

    Which you are already paying for in your mobile contract. This should really be a free service for those with little to no signal at home, if they don't care to make it free then unless you really have no other option you should avoid it.