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Web-Based Private File Storage?

steve802 writes "Recently, someone died in our company, and word is getting around that the admins who were given access to his Outlook account have found personal things that are embarrassing at best (the rumor mill differs on what was found). No matter, it raises a question. I have personal stuff in Outlook folders that I would not want someone in IT to see if I suddenly dropped dead: emails to the wife, photos of the kids, that kind of thing. I also keep a journal at home that I save to a server; personal reflections that I never want anyone else to see, especially if I die. So I was thinking that some sort of web-based storage for files, individual emails, and perhaps even Outlook folders would be perfect. All my most private personal stuff in one place. I found CryptoHeaven, which seems to offer some of what I'm looking for — but it is pricey. I'm willing to pay, but something less than $400/year would be nice. Best would be a service with a dead-man's switch, so that if I don't access it in, say, three months, it auto-purges. Any thoughts?"

467 comments

  1. Freenet by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Slow, but very secure.

    1. Re:Freenet by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Any web service, just create a TrueCrypt container. As long as you sync the container between your computers regularly it shouldn't be an issue. I've been doing it this way for about 3 years now (I keep all of my important data there for when I'm on the road). Works perfectly fine with Windows and Linux.

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    2. Re:Freenet by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have Chrome, Thunderbird, my MP3 player and DropBox on TrueCrypt partitions.

      Computer is PowerCycled and it's "gone". Since speed isn't a huge factor I went paranoid and went with AES-Twofish-Serpent. Good luck recovering my stuff.

      I use DreamHost for my mail/webserver. They're not 5-9s but they're cheap and still seem like they are a "small company". Plus they wrote Ceph, (distributed/scalable file system, which merged into 2.6.34.)

      I'm sure you could write cron script or something to run on the shell to do what you're talking.

    3. Re:Freenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>>Linux

      False advertising. Ooops. It doesn't work with all versions of the Linux kernel - only the more recent versions and only on x86.

    4. Re:Freenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >
      > Apparently the questioner isn't too bright. What more obvious "dead man's switch" is there than knowing your password?
      >

      Apparently, Peach Rings isn't too bright. The OP names access by *administrators*, who can easily reset your Outlook/Windows password to a known value, or simply bypass access restrictions completely, like using the 'root' user on Unix.

    5. Re:Freenet by Reece400 · · Score: 1

      True for his work PC, but on a secure web service your password should be good enough. On top of that, I imagine that once you die and stop paying the bill it will be purged for you within a few months.

    6. Re:Freenet by BarryJacobsen · · Score: 4, Funny

      >>>Mac OS X

      False advertising. Ooops. It doesn't work with all of Mac OS 10.x - only the more recent versions.

      It probably says it runs Windows, but doesn't run on Windows 1.0, either...Lying bastards.

    7. Re:Freenet by JumpDrive · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If he really wants to protect it, then he should also encrypt it.
      My brother passed away a couple of years ago and I was able to gain access to his web server. I knew the CC used and the email address used. There wasn't anything on there, but the expected files, but if he wants to keep it secret permanent after death, then encrypt with a long key.

    8. Re:Freenet by spazdor · · Score: 1

      What more obvious "dead man's switch" is there than knowing your password?

      Uh, you know how key-length standards usually increase 'cause brute-forcing gets easier over time, right...?

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    9. Re:Freenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Please don't respond to commodore64_love, he's retarded and you're just encouraging him. Thanks.

    10. Re:Freenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why use TrueCrypt with OS X when you can do the same thing with built-in Disk Utility?

    11. Re:Freenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All this for stuff after you're dead. Who the Hell cares? You're either in heaven, hell, limbo, reincarnated with no knowledge of previous life, or worm food, and in any of those cases you've got bigger things to worry about (or nothing at all ever depending). I can see someone else wanting life insurance on you, but not you wanting it for yourself, since when it gets used you won't care, and that's a much bigger thing than whatever sicko porn collection you happen to have for whatever reason. Your reputation with other people means nothing once you die. Either there's some omnipotent being that already knows all that crap about you, or there isn't and either way, who the hell cares?

    12. Re:Freenet by MoonBuggy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why use TrueCrypt with OS X when you can do the same thing with built-in Disk Utility?

      Cross platform compatibility, source code which can be inspected, and a choice of ciphers and other security options.

    13. Re:Freenet by HangingChad · · Score: 1

      Any web service, just create a TrueCrypt [truecrypt.org] container.

      Absolutely. Unless you give the container a really obvious name, someone searching your computer might not even recognize it as an encrypted container. Use a really long pass phrase and there's less concern about brute force, unless you think the NSA wants to see what you have on your USB drive. You can utilize hidden containers, so once you've sat in jail for a week for contempt of court, you'll have something to hand over.

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    14. Re:Freenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck recovering my stuff.

      xkcd.com/538

    15. Re:Freenet by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      Bear in mind that when you create a copy of a container you are supposed to create a new container, copy the files over, and then send off the new container. If you just sync changes or repeatedly copy over the container file you use it does raise some differential attack possibilities that TrueCrypt take seriously enough to warn against.

      Whether this matters depends on how large you want the container to be; if it's large it can take ages to backup for this reason.

      I agree that info which needs to remain personal should always be encrypted locally and that how it should be accessed from multiple places needs to be built around that. You can't have an open-access any-client web-hosted system and then add encryption on top, if you really value keeping it to yourself. For all you know these embarrassing e-mails were securely encrypted using EFS, but that wouldn't have made any difference to the deceased because someone else was taking care of it.

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    16. Re:Freenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flamebait?!? That's probably one of the most insightful/informative comments I've read around here in weeks...

    17. Re:Freenet by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>It probably says it runs Windows, but doesn't run on Windows 1.0, either...Lying bastards.

      Nope. Says 7/vista/XP

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    18. Re:Freenet by BarryJacobsen · · Score: 1

      While it does say that at some point, right on the very first page of truecrypt.org it says "Encrypts a partition or drive where Windows is installed (pre-boot authentication)."

    19. Re:Freenet by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 1

      Plus they wrote Ceph, (distributed/scalable file system, which merged into 2.6.34.)

      Where did you find that information? The Ceph page suggests that it originated out of a University research group:

      This project is based on a substantial body of research conducted by the Storage Systems Research Center at the University of California, Santa Cruz over the past few years that has resulted in a number of publications.

      Furthermore, it makes no mention of Dreamhost whatsoever.

    20. Re:Freenet by Shetan · · Score: 1

      Hitting a corpse with a wrench will reveal the password how, exactly?

    21. Re:Freenet by kernelphr34k · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Web-Based 'Private' file storage does not exist IMO. This private data that's on the web. The server the data is hosted on will get cracked, or the database will be compromised and then cracked....its just a matter of time...

      If you have all this private data in your work email, then its you're fault. Stop sharing now, delete what you can before you die. Use another email client/service when at work to send dirty emails to your wife, and use the work email for work!
      br> You should start trying to secure this private data @home where it could be physically secure, as well as offline. Transfer this data from once PC to another with an encrypted USB stick etc.. Just an idea.

      Read this from EFF: https://ssd.eff.org/3rdparties/protect/storage
      This is a good read too: http://www.eff.org/wp/trusted-computing-promise-and-risk

    22. Re:Freenet by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Um. I'm dead, I'm no sure if broken knees are going to extract the password from my brain.

    23. Re:Freenet by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 1

      What about stuck in prison with no way to clean up the evidence?

    24. Re:Freenet by kyrio · · Score: 1

      Ceph is a free software distributed file system created by Sage Weil (developer of the Webring concept and co-founder of DreamHost) for his doctoral dissertation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceph You have great research skills. Took 2.5 seconds to type "g ceph" into my address bar.

    25. Re:Freenet by ghjm · · Score: 1

      You mean, only guilty of what you're actually guilty of, rather than also guilty of obstruction of justice as well?

    26. Re:Freenet by ghjm · · Score: 1

      You encrypt your MP3 player? What are you listening to, exactly?

    27. Re:Freenet by ghjm · · Score: 1

      What if they use that trick like in Wild Wild West where they shine a magic lantern light through your eyeballs to project the last thing you saw? Assuming you died while typing your password, that is.

    28. Re:Freenet by ghjm · · Score: 1

      So you only type 15 wpm?

    29. Re:Freenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention the fact that TrueCrypt supports duress passwords which can just unencrypt a container that you filled with harmless files.

    30. Re:Freenet by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Funny
      "You encrypt your MP3 player? What are you listening to, exactly?"

      Probably those mp3's that get you high....and he doesn't want anyone messing with his 'stash'!!

      :-D

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    31. Re:Freenet by Matey-O · · Score: 1

      You make it sound like that movie was a Historical Narrative.

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    32. Re:Freenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dropbox inside TrueCrypt? Surely you meant that TrueCrypt file is inside Dropbox...

      There is no point to encrypt the partition on which the Dropbox is, but the files inside it... Unless you trust the people of Dropbox, you know, they can access your files without encryption at the moment.

    33. Re:Freenet by ghjm · · Score: 2, Funny

      By Grapthar's hammer, by the sons of Worvan, you shall be avenged.

    34. Re:Freenet by Peach+Rings · · Score: 1

      I'm talking about encryption you idiot.

    35. Re:Freenet by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      then they will see ********** as that's all I see when I type in my pwd.
      If it's my keyring pwd then its:
      ***** x 10(damn junk char filter)
      -nB

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    36. Re:Freenet by dan828 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It could be that you want to ensure that people you care about won't be emotionally harmed by things you did and kept secret. In the military, if one is killed, they sanitize personal effects, destroy "little black books" and the like, just so that the wife or whomever back home doesn't find out about your time with the Thai hooker in Bangkok or the mistress you had while TDY in England. Frankly, it's a policy that keeps the "loved ones" from being harmed by things that it really doesn't do anyone any good to know about. Really, who is it going to help to know what a shit you were in private after you're gone?

    37. Re:Freenet by genner · · Score: 1

      You make it sound like that movie was a Historical Narrative.

      It is a historical narrative. It documents the downfall of Will Smiths career.

    38. Re:Freenet by eiMichael · · Score: 1

      You should really switch to a more secure operating system. When I type my passwords in linux the cursor doesn't even move, thus preserving the secret of how long my password and passphrases are.
      Seriously consider increasing your security by moving to Linux.

    39. Re:Freenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Freenet is secure but you haven't got control of what stays there. If nobody care about the files they might be lost if your node, the only one that caches them as far as you know, breaks.

      Try Tahoe-LAFS instead.

    40. Re:Freenet by davester666 · · Score: 1

      He didn't have his tongue out!

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    41. Re:Freenet by McGiraf · · Score: 1

      RIAA stuff. He could save millions in a court case

    42. Re:Freenet by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 1

      4096-bit key with a 32+ character pass phrase. (:

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    43. Re:Freenet by h0dg3s · · Score: 1

      I'd rather use something that wasn't broken by design.

    44. Re:Freenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's exactly the problem. He clearly states that he knows that the admins can access his outlook information and he needs somewhere else to put the data. Next time, read the fucking question before spewing this bullshit nonsense.

    45. Re:Freenet by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because your secrets could possibly affect other people. For example, your wife might not be looked upon too highly if people know that she married a guy that was into some weird fetish. Also, their secrets might be stored with your stuff as well. Those things should not be released.

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    46. Re:Freenet by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 1

      This sounds like bullshit. Do you have some evidence to back this up? Just because this might sound like a legitimate policy doesn't mean it is.

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    47. Re:Freenet by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 1

      The services themselves are not necessarily secure, but may be an excellent solution for the OP. If everything he uploads is properly encrypted then it doesn't matter if it gets leaked. After he dies, he'll stop paying the bill (obviously) and the data will be purged after some time. Some time later, the space on the hard drive will be overwritten with something else, thus erasing any trace that the files ever existed.

      Because it's a private service, no one has any reason to go looking there. Now sure, if you're hiding government secrets there then you can bet your ass that the FBI will get that data, but that isn't the case here. It's not like your company IT admin will be going through this data as part of a routine when you die, and that's the important part.

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    48. Re:Freenet by McFadden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Cross platform compatibility

      He's a Mac user.

      There aren't any other platforms.

    49. Re:Freenet by MyJobSux · · Score: 1

      Anything done on the company network is company property whether its physical or intellectual, hard or soft. First off, don't do personal business on company resources (email wife, save family photos, etc). If your going to compute from work set up a web based mail acct and use that instead and make sure encryption is turned on (try gmail). Store your crap at home, you can stand a NAS (Network Access Storage) device up at home for around $400, a one time fee. Set it up as a RAID 1 or 5 depending on the unit you buy. Make sure you connect it to a good surge protector or UPS. As far as the dead-mans switch goes, unless you set up another individual to delete your data, if someone wants to see it bad enough they will eventually crack your security. If you have things so sensitive you don't want anything seeing them then maybe you should keep them in your head and not on your drive.

    50. Re:Freenet by i+ate+my+neighbour · · Score: 1

      I believe in a powerful but not omnipotent being that judges based in evidence sent by agents disguised as mortal officers, you insensitive clod!

    51. Re:Freenet by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      At some point? It's the very first sentence: "Free open-source disk encryption software for Windows 7/Vista/XP, Mac OS X, and Linux." You then have to dig further to discover it won't run on all OS 10.x installs..... only the more recent ones.

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    52. Re:Freenet by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      I'm talking about encryption you idiot.

      This one aught to be interesting when it comes up for meta-moderation... Makes a nice sig too.

    53. Re:Freenet by deapbluesea · · Score: 1

      I'm going to have to call you on this. I'm in the military, and there is no such policy. There is a gentleman's agreement that what happens on TDY stays on TDY, but that's about secure as the agreement about Vegas. If you want to keep secrets and act badly, don't expect the US government to feel obligated to keep it from anyone.

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    54. Re:Freenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LIfe is an anagram of file; that much I know is true ....

    55. Re:Freenet by idle12 · · Score: 1

      You can also have encrypted containers instead of encrypted containers with true crypt. They heard you liked encryption, so they put encryption in your encryption so you can encrypt while your encrypting.

    56. Re:Freenet by Bengie · · Score: 1

      256bit AES is not only stronger but faster than a 4096bit public key.

      typically you encrypt the AES key with a large public key which is probably what you're thinking about. Just use RSA8192+AES256

    57. Re:Freenet by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 1

      It's been a bit too long since I've used GPG, so I can't tell you what my settings were.

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    58. Re:Freenet by CitizenCain · · Score: 1

      Not bullshit... though wildly overstated. There are, after all, over a million members of the American "military," and only a very small fraction face the potential for unexpected death with no notice - even most soldiers in combat have months of warning that they're being deployed to a hot zone.

      But among those who do face the potential to be killed with little to no notice... it's called a "burn bag" or "burn box." In official usage, they're for sensitive or classified documents that are to be destroyed after a certain period of time, or a given trigger ("burn after reading," etc), in unofficial usage, people use them to store personal effects they don't want their families to see in the event of their death.

      Ask anyone who's done time with a tip-of-the-spear combat unit - your airborne, your rangers, your special forces, even your "normal" Marines, and so on. Chances are good they've had, seen, or even disposed of a burn bag (for a comrade).

    59. Re:Freenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can use www.thebelltolls.com to send instructions (including username/passwords) to someone to have them destroy the info. similar to the way the military gets rid of personal stuff.

    60. Re:Freenet by cirejin · · Score: 1

      thebelltolls.com is a site that you can use to pass along instructions (incl. usernames/pass) for someone else to use to go in and destroy personal info after you've died.

    61. Re:Freenet by zugmeister · · Score: 1

      Looking through this, I'm seeing tons of replies detailing the pros and cons of this web service vs. that one, keeping an encrypted partition somewhere vs. putting it on a thumb drive, all very elaborate and in many cases complicated just to choose between them when you take into account the apples vs. oranges pros and cons between them. I have a netbook I keep zipped up in the jacket of a dayplanner. It would probably do a great job of fulfilling his requirements, and do it anywhere he can carry a dayplanner!
      With this relatively lowbrow solution, he can type whatever he wants into a computer at his place of employment (or wherever) and be completely protected from work related spyware, keyloggers, firewall issues, proxies, etc. If he really wanted to he could get a phone card for internet access (completely off the work network) but this is not necessary, just secure the netbook which is after all 100% his personal property.

    62. Re:Freenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why use TrueCrypt with OS X when you can do the same thing with built-in Disk Utility?

      Cross platform compatibility, source code which can be inspected, and a choice of ciphers and other security options.

      Further, TrueCrypt offers a way to hide a volume in the unused space inside the container that's significantly safer than a vanilla disk image.

      http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=hidden-volume

    63. Re:Freenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every time the .x changes in OS X 10.x, it's a new full version, akin to the change from Windows Vista to Windows 7.

      Expecting something to support, for example, 10.0 would be like expecting a new service to support Windows 95.

  2. GOOGLE MAIL by stanlyb · · Score: 1, Informative

    Create a google email account.... Nooo, i am just joking.

    1. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by dc29A · · Score: 1

      I got a bunch of encrypted archives uploaded to my Google Docs account that I can access anywhere I need it.

      Haven't looked around but with the new Google command line tool (or other command line tools), pretty sure uploading/downloading could be automated. Then fire up WinRar using the same script and encrypt/decrypt archive. This way Google can't snoop on your files.

    2. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      google docs would be safe secure free way to do it. If you're really paranoid, use incognito mode exclusively over https. The likelyhood of that information getting out is nil. No one cares about your diary, except you.

    3. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by icebraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

      WinRAR? Turn over your geek card.

      At least, use gpg to encrypt it and Dropbox to automate uploading/downloading. Bonus points for an automated encryption system (encfs mount point, for example).

    4. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by stevegee58 · · Score: 1

      My company blocks Google Docs. Very inconvenient.

    5. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by theapeman · · Score: 1

      ... except you and Google.

    6. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The question is who do you trust more, Google or your employer?

      Google isn't going to do anything with your personal information, except use their computers to index it and show you ads based on keywords in that information. Unless you're a complete sucker who's unusually susceptible to advertising, this shouldn't affect you very much. Just ignore the ads.

      Your employer, however, might expose your personal information to other coworkers, or they might fire you if they don't like what they see. People getting fired (or not hired) because of information on their Facebook pages has become rampant.

      If you're completely paranoid, simply don't do anything personal at work, and only do it at home. Of course, there's nothing stopping your ISP from reading all your email either. Even if you run your own email server (not normally allowed with most residential accounts), all the emails are sent unencrypted with SMTP, so your ISP could easily eavesdrop.

    7. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by rwa2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, really! I don't know why anyone is paranoid about Google at all when your ISP and cellphone providers have all your data activity records on hand.

      I pay a bit extra for the "business" tier of service, so I can actually run my own web and email server on my home machine. I've pretty much been hosting everything on my own server since my college days. Never used / needed a USB stick for working on school projects, just pulled it in over the internet using PuTTy/PSFTP or more likely VNC+ssh. I even presented some final projects over VNC running a little opengl thing over VNC.

      I don't have a "smartphone" (call me old skool), but if I did all I'd need is a good ssh client (such as midpssh) and a good VNC client, and I'm in business. Works fine on my Palm TX PDA tethered to my dumbphone.

      For offsite backups, I occasionally rsync my home dir over to a friend's server, which I've donated hardware for (including hard disks, among other things). The sensitive stuff like financial records and nekkid pics of the wife are encrypted with PGP. The rest of the porn we all share.

      Frankly I'm more worried about data being lost forever than data getting "out". If I get hit by a truck, my dying words scrawled in a pool of blood will be the master password for my keyring vault so my wife can pay the bills online. I'll pass away very anxious about whether she can decipher the special characters properly.

    8. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by Penguinoflight · · Score: 1

      There's a reason why RAR is the most popular archive format, it provides small files and sound performance, especially on multi-core systems. As long as you're not doing anything illegal the severity of encryption isn't an issue, the DMCA makes snooping encrypted files or communications punishable with extreme repercussions.

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    9. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by complete+loony · · Score: 1

      Winrar seems like a good simple solution. When you encrypt a rar file it uses AES internally. So if your key is complex enough, nobody should be able to extract the contents.

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    10. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      What if he's using WINE to run WinRAR?

      LK

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    11. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by McGiraf · · Score: 1

      "the DMCA makes snooping encrypted files or communications punishable with extreme repercussions"

      Only on copyrighted works, not on communications.

    12. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 1

      no kidding. when I read that the poster used WinRAR to encrypt/decrypt I about scoffed.

      Seriously. WinRAR? Wow.

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    13. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by nacturation · · Score: 1

      no kidding. when I read that the poster used WinRAR to encrypt/decrypt I about scoffed. Seriously. WinRAR? Wow.

      Besides the feeling of smug superiority you get from using other (granted, more advanced) tools, is there actually something wrong with WinRAR? To some, I imagine it's the devil they know and are comfortable using.

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    14. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 1

      It's a great archiver. It compresses, generally, better than WinZIP. That being said, using an archiver as your only means of encryption? Are you kidding me? I have a registered copy and it's only "encryption" is a password. Seriously.

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    15. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by nacturation · · Score: 1

      It's a great archiver. It compresses, generally, better than WinZIP. That being said, using an archiver as your only means of encryption? Are you kidding me? I have a registered copy and it's only "encryption" is a password. Seriously.

      WinRAR uses AES-128 for its password-based encryption. TrueCrypt uses AES-256 for its encryption (accessed via a password as well) with the option to chain together multiple crypto if you really wanted to. So while TrueCrypt is using stronger encryption, AES-128 is going to be good enough for the common user to protect their files from prying eyes. WinRAR can also encrypt the filenames themselves, so without having the password you can't even list the contents (unlike old WinZIP-style protection methods).

      So other than how many bits of encryption are used, why is it such a terrible choice?

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    16. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      There's a reason why RAR is the most popular archive format,
      Is it? Your evidence, please?
      No, seriously.
      In the last month at work, I haven't seen a single RAR file. Some hundreds of zip files though. On the other hand, porn torrents seem to be quite often comprised of RAR files. The prevalence of different file formats in different environments is certainly variable, and probably is highly variable. So if you're going to make a claim like that, then you must have some pretty interesting evidence to support it.

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    17. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 1

      Where do you get this info? From the WinRAR website?

      At A Glance:

      "WinRAR is also ideal, if you are sending data through the web. Its 128 bit password encryption and its authenticated signature technology will give you the peace of mind you have been looking for."

      So it's a good assumption it uses 128-bit password protection (I cannot find anywhere that mentions AES specifically, which at least I'd expect to find at least here). I'll just go with the assumption that you are correct and AES is used.

      Either way, I would not trust WinRAR as my only source of encryption for anything.

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    18. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by nacturation · · Score: 1

      That site appears to be a reseller. Here's the official site:

      http://www.rarlab.com/rar_archiver.htm

      From that page:

      "WinRAR offers you the benefit of industry strength archive encryption using AES (Advanced Encryption Standard) with a key of 128 bits."

      I agree that if you know of something better and can use it, that's all good. But barring a flaw in WinRAR's implementation of AES, I'm simply questioning why it's not a decent choice for someone who doesn't need the features of something along the lines of TrueCrypt and similar software.

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    19. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by nacturation · · Score: 1

      That site appears to be a reseller.

      Scratch that... they're both official sites -- one links to the other. I thought it was a reseller based on how cheesy the faked product box looks. This page has AES listed if you expand the "More Details" section under the Security header.

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    20. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 1

      I did miss that.

      Because WinRAR's focus isn't security so much as it is GOOD compression, opening of multiple archives and interoperable with WinZIP (via being able to create zip and rar and not just rar). Do one thing and do it well. Do two things and either you got mostly good on both, all good on one and pretty pathetic on the other, or pretty pathetic on both.

      If you are serious enough about security to be fully aware of WinRAR's implementation of AES, then you should be aware enough to use things like GPG (though I use it mainly for signing and not really encrypting anything other than plain text at the moment), TrueCrypt (never even heard of it until this discussion tbh), and other crypto programs.

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    21. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by Penguinoflight · · Score: 1

      Are you implying that there are more zip files floating around in workplace environments than there are rar files floating around bittorrent and other file sharing worlds? Honestly, considering the feature set I wouldn't even consider winzip to be a contiguous archive format. It was intended to compress small collections of files in the early days and true "archive" features like multi-part files or archives larger than 4GB have only been added to select programs outside of specifications.

      I will concede that if you consider popularity strictly from the perspective of public knowledge zip (weather or not it's a true archive) would easily win. If we were to look at the number of files or size of files stored and transmitted nothing will come close to RAR.

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    22. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Are you implying that there are more zip files floating around in workplace environments than there are rar files floating around bittorrent and other file sharing worlds?

      Considering how many of those files on torrent sites are duplicates of each other, with negligible changes ("get your porn passwords from XXX.com" replaces with "get your pron passwords from XXY.com"), or contain the MP3 encodings of the same record, but with different mis-spellings in the play-list files ... well, I think I would make that implication explicit. Yes, I do think that "the world of work" generates a huge amount of information, the majority of which is shunted around using quick'n'dirty compression algorithms, mainly ZIP.

      I'm just doing a quick back-of-the-thumbnail estimate : the last month has been fairly normal and I've generated a report comprising around a gigabyte of mostly compressed data (DLIS logging records ; databases ; WRF images and PDFs of the same images for clients who can't run the WRF-viewer application ; reports and calculation workings in various "office" formats ; biggest single file is a DLIS of around 100MB, which could be readily split up into 20-odd similar records). That, if I understand the music industry correctly is equivalent to around 50 music tracks (@2Mb/MP£), which would be several albums @15 tracks/album ; I don't know if this is realistic, because I don't waste much attention on music).
      There are around 40 or 50 crews operating in this business in the North Sea region, so call that around 100 albums (coarse) equivalent, for this one region, for this one aspect of this one industry, for this one month. Meanwhile a data archiving company my wife works for would have been shunting another few tens of gigabytes into the archives, occasionally to be seen again when needed (court records, medical records like stacks of X-rays, oil well reports).
      On that fairly small sample, we're looking at something like several gigabytes data per working person per month. And most of it would be compressed in ZIP format - because it's quick, reasonably effective, and known by pretty-much every operating system in frequent use.
      I'll not include a former correspondent who as a minor part of his job was working on how to build a data pipeline that could handle several petabytes of data daily - data that had to be losslessly handled, because it was research data and they literally didn't know what they were going to be looking for. But that's a lot of data. I'll also not include my near-neighbour who digs holes in the road for a living - and produces hundreds of MB of images every week to document that they DID fill in that piece of road to specification. Whatever the format of the image files is, it's a safe bet that if the pictures are bundled up with the rest of the job's documentation into one file ("archived"), then it's more likely to be done in a Zip format file than in a RAR format file.

      Nope,I think that if the impossible were achieved and all the output from "work" could be compared to all the content on the "torrent-o-sphere", you'd be surprised and find that the torrent-o-sphere is relatively unimportant. (I've just been looking for some information on line - it's that old thing called checking your facts before posting. It reminds me of the 2009 article that asserts that bittorrent accounts for "27-55%" of internet traffic "depending on geographical location". Which means that 45 to 73% of traffic is not bittorrent. I'll leave you to work out how that works with the 2009 date on the report, and the assertion in the same report that bit-torrent was losing influence to streaming media sites. The report was based on only a petabyte or so of data analysis, so likely didn't include any big systems.)

      I wouldn't even consider winzip to be a contiguous archive format.

      Who mentioned

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    23. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by idle12 · · Score: 1

      WinRar is decent, but their is better. Compression: 7zip - has way better compression. Binary, text, etc... way smaller file size. Try it. I did a bunch of tests last year, it beats zip in every single case I threw at it (small files, large files, binary blobs, text, etc). It beat WinRar in 90% of the cases to (some were really close though) Encrypt: True Crypt. Lots more encryption options, can use password and key. Hidden volumes, etc. Both of these are 100% free, even at the source code level. Last time I looked WinRar was shareware of sorts.

    24. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by ZwJGR · · Score: 1

      Surely you need not wait until your imminent untimely death to give your trusted wife said password. Is there really a problem with her being to manage your mutual finances now?

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    25. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by robsku · · Score: 1

      Having your own home server is handy indeed... I use my own for remote access but also run a public web server on it to host my blog ( http://salamanteri.homelinux.net/wordpress/ ). What caught my attention is that you have to pay for "business service" to have a home server. Here in Finland you can host any server you want on any basic broadband from any ISP - and it is actually backed up by law that ISP cannot block you from running whatever server/service you want on your connection (as long as you have public IP, generally you get to plug in up to 5 machines that get their own private IP's each, to get more than 5 machines online you have to use NAT). I would like to know if it is common in other countries that you have to pay extra if you want to host a home server on your broadband?

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    26. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      I've given it to her, she can't remember it. Hell, she has my ATM card right now because she can't remember the pin number on hers :P . (OK, it's partially the bank's fault for sending her two cards and two PIN numbers around the same time, neither of which seem to work on either card)

      The message in blood would be more for my friends so they can help her take care of business. No one would take advantage of a widow and her children, right?!

      But in reality, all the bills are on autopay, so it would really just be a minor hassle.

    27. Re:GOOGLE MAIL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Frankly I'm more worried about data being lost forever than data getting "out". If I get hit by a truck, my dying words scrawled in a pool of blood will be the master password for my keyring vault so my wife can pay the bills online. I'll pass away very anxious about whether she can decipher the special characters properly.

      amusing post dude

      however in my opinion if you don't have anything to hide, you're not really living

      to each their own

  3. Separate them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dont use personal info on work systems. Often time anything in there is usually subject to scrutiny.

    1. Re:Separate them by shentino · · Score: 5, Informative

      Indeed.

      Best solution to keeping your boss out of your personal stuff? Don't do personal stuff on company time.

    2. Re:Separate them by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 3, Funny

      The restrooms are your own time. Do your wanking in there.

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    3. Re:Separate them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. If you cannot go a few hours without being in constant contact with everyone you know, you have other problems. I enjoy getting away from the family for some nice, simple work. Sheesh.

    4. Re:Separate them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Absolutely. Never, never, never, never use your employer's computers for personal stuff. At all. Period. That computer is your employer's, and anything you put on it is also his. Whether that is strictly, legally true is immaterial. In practical terms, it is.

      You keep personal reflections in a journal that you never want anyone else to read, ever? Then, don't write it down. Duh. Anything you really don't want your survivors to ever under any circumstances see--physically destroy it. Don't have physical access? Oh, well.

      Assume that anything you write down, especially if you store it on someone else's computer, will be read by someone, probably the owner of the computer. If it's on your own computer, it becomes your wife or childs computer when you die. Anything you left there is theirs.

      Don't want to take this advice? Don't come crying to me if, after you die, somebody sees something you didn't want them to.

    5. Re:Separate them by rubycodez · · Score: 0, Troll

      go when a toe-tappin' Republican coworker does and have an even better time

    6. Re:Separate them by spazdor · · Score: 4, Funny

      glory, glory-hole allujiah!

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    7. Re:Separate them by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No shit. I swear some people can be amazingly stupid. I once had a guy call me when he had trouble sending an email. "Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: I wuv my snookums." "Body: I can't wait to see you again..." (That's where I tuned out and flipped on the blinders.) Now if this had been Mrs. VP, that's no big deal, tho still the kind of thing that shouldn't go in the corporate email archive. But the address was not Mrs. VP. It was Mr. VP's former assistant. And the guy KNEW it was going in the archive because one of his requirements for the email archiving system was that it be impossible for messages to be removed from the archive. And instead of just deleting the message, he called for help, GUARANTEEING that it would be noticed.

      Looking back, maybe he wanted to be caught. But don't drag the IT department into your divorce, dude! Not cool.

    8. Re:Separate them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't come crying to me if, after you die,

      I'll remember that.

    9. Re:Separate them by Ruke · · Score: 1

      United States courts have repeatedly found that anything done using company resources is property of the company. This means any personal emails sent or received on your company-owned laptop are up for grabs if your boss feels like pushing the issue. This means that any texts/photos sent on the company paid-for blackberry are also property of the company, even if they're done on your own time. Anything done for business purposes or while you're on the clock on a personal machine is also company property, although the machine is still your own. Most people won't push the issue - some will.

      Really, if you want to keep your work out of your personal life, you have to make damned sure that you're keeping your personal life out of your work.

    10. Re:Separate them by vfstaboy · · Score: 1

      Using your work computer for your personal data is just bad no matter how you look at it or encrypt it. First, if you use your company email for personal emails and you think that you have gotten in the clear by deleting your personal email, which you can't do when you are dead, think again. Unless you work for a company that spends $100 a year on their IT budget they'll have plenty of copies of everyone's mailboxes backed up to some tapes that will be around for at least months if not years. Yes that's right all those pictures your wife sent you last year while she was bored are stored on some backup tapes and can be retrieved at anytime until those tapes have been recycled. Some companies might also backup user's Documents directories so watch out there too. Best advice. Use an external parties webmail service (free or paid for) for you personal email. Your email is never stored on your work computer when you check your email, which is why I'm not suggesting imap/pop. Course there are some companies that might just backup your browser's cache directory but there are solutions for that too. Am I paranoid? Yes. But one thing is certain. I never ever use company email for my personal email nor do I ever store any of my personal data that I do not want to share with the rest of my IT group I work with on any work computer either.

    11. Re:Separate them by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      It's hard to keep everything in your mind. So instead, create your own written language that isn't based on any other language. That way, you can write down anything you want, and no one will ever be able to read it. Linear A still hasn't been deciphered, and Egyptian hieroglyphics weren't deciphered until the Rosetta stone was discovered, so make sure you never write down any translation between your personal language and any others.

    12. Re:Separate them by irenaeous · · Score: 1

      Cha! Bozits omicrit zalai bon!

    13. Re:Separate them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try Microsoft's Windows Home Server. Its an out-of-the box solution and will allow you to have a server in your house and access the content from outside using the web and its easy to setup. I've used http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/mediasmart-server/ without an issue and its been great - and no I don't work for HP.

    14. Re:Separate them by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      And if someone sneaks up on you and hacks off your arms and legs, don't come running to me...

    15. Re:Separate them by hobb0001 · · Score: 1

      Best solution to keeping your boss out of your personal stuff? Don't do personal stuff on company time.

      If only the reverse was true. That is, the company doesn't expect me to do company stuff on personal time. I can't count the number of pagers, cell phones, pda's, laptops, and smart phones that I've had to lug around with me over the years.

    16. Re:Separate them by FoolishOwl · · Score: 1

      Don't do personal stuff on company hardware, AND don't do personal stuff on company time.

      If you want to do personal stuff during breaks, try using your own smart phone, or your own netbook or laptop -- and be sure not to use the company network for Internet access for personal stuff.

    17. Re:Separate them by Foo2rama · · Score: 1

      this... You have no expectation of privacy on corp email.

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    18. Re:Separate them by JeffSpudrinski · · Score: 1

      Well put. If something is on a company's computer, then it's subject to the company's scrutiny. Period.

      Truecrypt is your best bet. Create a Truecrypt partition on a large thumb drive and keep your stuff there. If you configure it correctly, hardly anyone will ever be able to tell there's a hidden partion there. The folks that could tell (and possibly access it, which would be doubtful) would be high-dollar folks that "ye average person" wouldn't be willing to pay without a good reason.

      Just my $0.02

      -JJS

    19. Re:Separate them by blair1q · · Score: 1

      ^^^ THAT!

      I used to treat company drives as personal space.

      Then I became a consultant, doing a number of jobs for a couple of months each, and realized it was (a) horribly inefficient and (b) privacy-degrading. (That whole thing about unauthorized use of company resources? haha you fell for that?)

      You don't have control of the data if you're suddenly asked to leave (for cause, or because they suddenly realized they are out of cash and can't pay you any more). And you don't have control of it while you're there (yeah I used to read emails when I was a sysadmin; and that " " file that one of my cow orkers thought he'd "hidden" in his home dir. But trust me, after the first couple of times, you realize people's sleaze is boring and you stop bothering to snoop). Someone already knows about your ascii-pr0n collection, hairy handshake man.

      If you need personal stuff with you, get a big, secure thumb drive and use that.

    20. Re:Separate them by afidel · · Score: 1

      This only applies if you have been informed of such presumed ownership and have signed off as being reminded of that fact on a regular basis (generally annually).

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    21. Re:Separate them by dollarwizard · · Score: 1

      Best solution to keeping your boss out of your personal stuff? Don't do personal stuff on company time.

      Eric Schmidt, is that you? (The CEO of Google said, "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place.")

    22. Re:Separate them by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Be nice now, you don't have to call him names. You can both use the same idea.

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    23. Re:Separate them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see why this guy is so concerned with what people find AFTER he dies. It's like "dude, you'll be fucking dead. it doesn't matter what anyone founds out about you."

      Talk about narcissism.

    24. Re:Separate them by FlyingGuy · · Score: 1

      Site or it aint so.

      In the State of California, at least, it is well established precedent that it is presumed that if you do it on your employers computer, them employer has unfettered access 24/7/365 with no notice.

      If you are stupid enough to put "personal" things on your employers systems then you deserve whatever exposure and ridicule you get.

      Never EVER write or store anything on your employers computer you would not want your employer to read/view.

      People have had resumes and e-mails discovered showing they were actively looking to jump ship and have been assisted in doing just that, only slightly sooner then they had in mind.

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    25. Re:Separate them by moonbender · · Score: 1

      No shit. I happen to think that sucks and I welcome people trying to circumvent it. So far most of the suggestions seem to be "don't do that," which is not very constructive when you do, in fact, want to do that. For instance, suggesting someone NOT keep a journal (wherever) because it might be discovered is not a very good suggestion when that someone wants to write down personal thoughts (who cares for what reason).

      Now, if your employer has locked down internet access particularly tightly, accessing private storage might be difficult. But otherwise, I can't imagine this being impossibly hard. Off the top of my head, there's Wuala, which is a cloud storage service like Dropbox, but all of the data is stored encrypted. Dropbox also encrypts, but only during transmission, so man-in-the-middle attacks (e.g. by the employer) are difficult; however, the data is stored in the clear on the Dropbox servers, so it's possible somebody else could gain access to it -- the Dropbox admins, LEO, possibly your next-of-kin in case of your demise. Wuala OTOH stores stuff encrypted on their servers, so without the key phrase nobody can read it. (Or at least that's what they claim! Big honking caveat there.) They have a Java webstart thing you can use to access your stuff from any computer that can execute Java webstart things, which might or might not be true for an office PC. If you can use that, I think it'd be a fairly safe way to store private data; although you'd still need to create the file locally before storing it on the platform.

      I'm not affiliated with Wuala in any way, incidently, but if you want to sign up you're welcome to use my referral link to give both of use increased storage. There are a few other services that work similarly, Wuala is just the first one I found that did end-to-end encryption. E.g. SpiderOak Online Storage sounds similar. I also tried to use Dropbox along with encfs for end-to-end encryption but it's just not that convenient.

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    26. Re:Separate them by shentino · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It has nothing to do with privacy.

      It has everything to do with misappropriation of company property for personal usage.

    27. Re:Separate them by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Which is why I store semi-personal stuff on my work notebook in a TC volume. It ain't perfect, but it keeps the IT regulars out, and the one time I had to decrypt it for a legal issue, I did it for the company lawyer only, let him see the contents. It was determined that it was not pertinent to the discovery (Corp Vs Corp lawsuit) and that's all there was to it.
      -nB

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    28. Re:Separate them by cfryback · · Score: 1

      +100 I have no idea why people seem to thing that an Email system provided to them by the company would be theirs for personal use... There are lots of webmail services out there

    29. Re:Separate them by dogugotw · · Score: 1

      Our work email is explicitly 'for work only' and we're alerted that nothing is private.
      Anything that enters or leaves our inbox, even if deleted immediately, is stored on a separate system for 10 years. It's available to us via a search plug-in to Outlook (email Xtender) so it means you don't have to keep every email you ever get, just search for it when you need it.
      All outbound mail is scanned before it's sent to see if it might include anything secret (we make stuff for the military) or if it's being sent out of the US and we have to answer a prompt box if anything looks hinky to the system.
      All files copied to any external drive are scanned to see if anything secret is on the way out. I haven't tried encrypting a file to see what happens.
      All http traffic is scanned and logged.
      Any call out of the building is logged (we have to punch in a personal code to dial out).
      I'm betting the printers store data as well.

      The hardware and software belongs to the company and they make sure we know it. If you're keeping anything personal on a work system, you're not using your head.

    30. Re:Separate them by drolli · · Score: 1

      And if you do it then don't hide it using a solution which makes you could also hide some dirty business. How is anybody going to distinct between you sending out secret company info to a friend or helping the family to steal money in one or the other way if you encrypt you emails/documents stored outside the company.

      That pushes it over the line from "ohh the guy mails hid wife" to "We have no idea what going on, there is no way to check, but could be work related"; besides you would obviously circumvent archiving regulations by that, which could get the company delisted from the stock market if it is a common accepted practice there to have "off the record documents". So my predictions is: they will ignore personal stuff (obviously they do), but start using a service for encrypted storage from you workplace storing data *outside the companies property* without their permission, they should go mad in zero seconds.

    31. Re:Separate them by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1

      Or on company equipment. I work for a multi-billion dollar company and know of people who have been fired for doing questionable things with their company-issued laptops.

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    32. Re:Separate them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ahah, you're such a tool.

    33. Re:Separate them by dko1625 · · Score: 1

      And equally important, don't do company stuff on personal time/system

    34. Re:Separate them by Rigrig · · Score: 1

      Don't want to take this advice? Don't come haunting me if, after you die, somebody sees something you didn't want them to.

      FTFY

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  4. TrueCrypt? by e065c8515d206cb0e190 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why does it have to be web based? If the only requirement is absolute privacy, TrueCrypt will suffice.

    1. Re:TrueCrypt? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      Because he was talking about computers at work? I doubt most companies are going to let you encrypt the hard drives on your work computer to block them from seeing what's on it.

    2. Re:TrueCrypt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't actually have to know. Run the portable version of TrueCrypt, and just make a small encrypted file into which you can place all of your private stuff. It's what I do at my work computer. TrueCrypt does have necessarily encrypt the entire hard drive. You can use it to make a "dummy" hard drive image, which basically acts as an encrypted folder.

      Yes, they might find out you have some encrypted stuff on their hard drives, but at least they won't be able to get into it.

    3. Re:TrueCrypt? by NFN_NLN · · Score: 1

      Because he was talking about computers at work? I doubt most companies are going to let you encrypt the hard drives on your work computer to block them from seeing what's on it.

      You don't need to encrypt an entire drive. You can encrypt a binary blob (file) and then pass it around to HDD, USB, email, web etc.

      In fact, why would you trust an online service for privacy. Just use any old online service to store your encrypted blob.

      Case closed:

      Beginner's Tutorial
      How to Create and Use a TrueCrypt Container

      http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=tutorial

    4. Re:TrueCrypt? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      Yes, they might find out you have some encrypted stuff on their hard drives, but at least they won't be able to get into it.

      Yeah, and then they'll just say "Show me what's in it or your fired for misappropriation of company resources".

    5. Re:TrueCrypt? by countSudoku() · · Score: 1

      Yes, but it's still THEIR computer. Just use ssl/gmail for your personal crap, and PGP/encrypt your stupid personal thought from people who are most interested in them. Which is the crux of the biscuit; people who really care will circumvent your encryption anyway. and get at that juicy data you have there. Just write it in a journal, then burn it. What is so special about our private thoughts that make us write them down in case we forget them later? Just think more! I'm going to lunch now. Don't need to jot that in my journal. This is my frickin' journal. Slashcomm!

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    6. Re:TrueCrypt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Then you lose your job. The OP is not asking how to protect his job. He's asking how to protect his private data while accessing it on a company PC. That includes some risk.

    7. Re:TrueCrypt? by ds_job · · Score: 4, Informative

      Which is what the two key "Plausible Deniability" feature is all about:
      http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=plausible-deniability

    8. Re:TrueCrypt? by randizzle3000 · · Score: 1

      But you could make a hidden volume inside the encrypted volume (http://www.truecrypt.org/hiddenvolume)

    9. Re:TrueCrypt? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      You would still have to explain why you have TrueCrypt on your system. Unless you purge all traces of having downloaded it and installed it on the PC it's not like they won't be able to find that you've been encrypting things on the computer.

    10. Re:TrueCrypt? by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

      Then you lose your job. The OP is not asking how to protect his job. He's asking how to protect his private data while accessing it on a company PC. That includes some risk.

      Even better, he isn't asking how to protect it while he is accessing it. He is really asking how to protect it when he is DEAD!

      Which makes the threat of being fired all the more laughable. Unless of course, he didn't use a metaphor and his boss literally IS satan. Then I guess the threat of being fired is probably relevant again.

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    11. Re:TrueCrypt? by Seraphim1982 · · Score: 1

      Why can't you just encrypt a thumb drive? Or use one that has built in encryption (eg. an Ironkey)?

    12. Re:TrueCrypt? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Informative

      Portable TrueCrypt requires admin rights.

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    13. Re:TrueCrypt? by randizzle3000 · · Score: 1

      From the truecrypt page (unsuccessfully) linked:
        "To the outer volume, (before creating the hidden volume within it) you should copy some sensitive-looking files that you actually do NOT want to hide. These files will be there for anyone who would force you to hand over the password. You will reveal only the password for the outer volume, not for the hidden one. Files that really are sensitive will be stored on the hidden volume."

    14. Re:TrueCrypt? by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and then they'll just say "Show me what's in it or your fired for misappropriation of company resources".

      Then you decrypt the volume and show them it's just some basic personal info and a few family photos (you keep the
      stuff that you really want secret safely stored in a hidden volume within the original encrypted volume's free space).

    15. Re:TrueCrypt? by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      You don't have to download and install it, you can run it off a thumb drive.

    16. Re:TrueCrypt? by DrMaurer · · Score: 1

      But, in this scenario, he's dead. Can't interrogate a corpse. Yet.

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    17. Re:TrueCrypt? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I had the same question. If there's something I don't want anybody to see, the internet is the last place I'd put it. Encrypt it and send it straight to your compuer at home. Trusting it with strangers is folly.

    18. Re:TrueCrypt? by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 1

      This man would beg to differ.

    19. Re:TrueCrypt? by randizzle3000 · · Score: 1

      That too, but I think Nutcase meant you'd have to explain why you have an encrypted volume in the first place.

    20. Re:TrueCrypt? by MarcQuadra · · Score: 1

      Or encrypt your home machine and just remote to it via RDP or VNC from work. That way the only 'data' that ever leaves your home is encrypted jumbled raw streams of RDP traffic, not sensitive files.

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    21. Re:TrueCrypt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The trouble with this plausible deniability feature is that everyone with any knowledge of encryption knows its there, and will assume you're using it - it isn't plausible enough to anyone who's already wondering why you need to encrypt your data.

      So if someone demands one key, they'll most likely demand the other too. And you'd better have that feature switched on and the second key available, because otherwise you'll be fired for refusing to provide it. In the UK, you could even be jailed for refusing to provide that non-existent key to the police - they don't have to prove a password exists, you have to prove it doesn't, which obviously isn't possible. Justice? What justice?

    22. Re:TrueCrypt? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      What if the stuff you really want secret takes up a lot of space (e.g. your kinky porn)? Won't an X GB Truecrypt container with only Y MB of visible files in it raise suspicion in and of itself?

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    23. Re:TrueCrypt? by obarel · · Score: 2, Funny

      In that case, "fired" can mean more than one thing, I guess...

    24. Re:TrueCrypt? by RatBastard · · Score: 1

      Think the admins won't know it's running? My employer does random security sweeps of active software as we have data we are legally required to protect. Running it from a thumb drive won't stop the active process from showing up in the task list.

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    25. Re:TrueCrypt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... which has apparently been "broken" in that someone can tell if multiple keys have been used to encrypt the data. Off the top of my head - I'd advise you to research this before relying on it.

  5. Translation by grahamsz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think you mean "emails to the wife, photos of the wife, that kind of thing"

    1. Re:Translation by bsDaemon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Unless someone who hated him uploaded some photos of someone else's kids in an attempt to frame him...

    2. Re:Translation by essinger · · Score: 1

      I think her really meant, "emails to a hooker, naked photos some random teenager, that kind of thing"

    3. Re:Translation by FlyMysticalDJ · · Score: 1

      Who would actually do that? That sounds highly unlikely to me.

    4. Re:Translation by phoenix321 · · Score: 1
    5. Re:Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be better than meaning "emails to the wife about photos of the mistress, that sort of thing"

  6. Web-Based Private Is An Oxymoron by Maarx · · Score: 4, Informative

    Web-Based Private is an oxymoron. Why does this have to be web-based?

    It would be pretty trivial to set up a Linux distro with two hard drives, one with the simple operating system and the other an encrypted drive with a passphrase, and set up the OS to nuke the second drive if the current time is ever greater than three months from the last time the passphrase was successfully supplied.

    1. Re:Web-Based Private Is An Oxymoron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Completely agree. Want it private? Keep it off the interblogotubenetspherez.

      Keep a small memo pad with you (you know, with a pen and paper), and a scrapbook/journal for organizing your personal memoirs. Print out and delete emails you want to keep private. Privacy is the opposite of accessibility in the computer world. A little tinfoil can go a long way.

    2. Re:Web-Based Private Is An Oxymoron by spazdor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Web-Based Private is an oxymoron

      Actually, they have this thing, "cryptography" now.

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    3. Re:Web-Based Private Is An Oxymoron by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      That won't keep things private forever, especially if people are trying to get access to it.

      And Whatever web based system you use - they write the method to encrypt your data, so all they need to figure out is your passphrase. Which, to a skilled decryptor, wouldn't take too long.

    4. Re:Web-Based Private Is An Oxymoron by Luke+has+no+name · · Score: 1

      No, it's not.

      Encrypt -> Internet.
      Internet -> Decrypt.

      If you have any faith in the host, encryption would be transparent.

    5. Re:Web-Based Private Is An Oxymoron by davidshewitt · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. If you do the encryption of the data client-side, with the server receiving only an encrypted blob and never the keys, you can have privacy while still taking advantage of the cloud. For example see Jungle Disk. https://www.jungledisk.com/

    6. Re:Web-Based Private Is An Oxymoron by Rakishi · · Score: 1

      What passphrase? You, of course, use a very long random encryption key. That key may have a shorter password on your local machine but no one online has access to that. I figure if someone is willing to run a cracker till the sun burns out they can have my data. Of course even a sufficiently long password is impossible to brute force in any sane amount of time.

    7. Re:Web-Based Private Is An Oxymoron by memyselfandeye · · Score: 1

      I figure if someone is willing to run a cracker till the sun burns out they can have my data...

      Or at least until the the bit rot sets in.. apparently either can happen soon.

    8. Re:Web-Based Private Is An Oxymoron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Web-Based Private is an oxymoron. Why does this have to be web-based?

      It would be pretty trivial to set up a Linux distro with two hard drives, one with the simple operating system and the other an encrypted drive with a passphrase, and set up the OS to nuke the second drive if the current time is ever greater than three months from the last time the passphrase was successfully supplied.

      So you're trusting the value of the clock?

      Any five-year old with time-locked software knew how to get around this one back in the days...

    9. Re:Web-Based Private Is An Oxymoron by mpe · · Score: 1

      Actually, they have this thing, "cryptography" now.

      How do you ensure that whoever is running the service will not have access to everything?

    10. Re:Web-Based Private Is An Oxymoron by Onthax · · Score: 1

      Just remember to change your CMOS battery before it gets old and reverts to 1970, or you may be a sad sad man or have a proper backup solution. The whole point of encrypting your data is you dont care if someone gets hold of the files so there no reason not to have a backup

    11. Re:Web-Based Private Is An Oxymoron by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      Your password is only stored on your local machine - but the algorithm to get the long encryption key from your short passphrase will have to be available to everyone - since it's on the web - thus rendering it a weak point in the system.

    12. Re:Web-Based Private Is An Oxymoron by Rakishi · · Score: 1

      Sigh, time to explain basic encryption. Why do people post when they know nothing of the topic and don't even bother researching for 5 minutes?

      The long encryption key is stored on your local machine (or on a usb key or a cd or whatever) in a file under a weaker encryption using your password. The only way to get it with the password alone is if you have that file. Otherwise an attacker needs to recreate the whole encryption key from scratch which is sun will die before then time consuming. That file and the encryption key never leaves your local machine. And if the attacker has that file it doesn't matter if your encrypted data is online or note, they have access to your local copy of the data anyway.

    13. Re:Web-Based Private Is An Oxymoron by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      So you're talking about encrypting it BEFORE it even hits the webservice - not the topic of the discussion.

    14. Re:Web-Based Private Is An Oxymoron by Rakishi · · Score: 1

      How so? It's an obvious solution and one used by a decent number of online backup products. So obvious that pretty much every reply to the original post in this thread mentioned it.

      Also, nothing I said requires the data to be encrypted before you send it although that's the most secure way of going about it. It requires the least assumptions of trust in a third party. If you do trust them then your encryption key is simply your password, you send it to your backup provider when you want to access data like you'd do with a password. They don't keep a copy. You have a passworded file with that key in it for convenience but your local system is assumed to be secure so that file's weaker password isn't too big a problem.

      It's also possible to do things like public/private keys so they can encrypt your data without your decryption key on their end but only you can decrypt it.

      But in the end if you're sending/receiving unencrypted backup data somewhere than someone cracking your password is a hilariously small problem. No one cares. Not worth the time. If they have your data than they can sniff your pass phrase as you access your data. They can silently copy data as you access it. They can do many other things.

    15. Re:Web-Based Private Is An Oxymoron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And unless all the "cryptography" is performed on your local machine then the webserver providers have the key to said "cryptography".

      So it's not *really* private.

  7. Work account? by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Solution: Don't do personal stuff on your work account...

    1. Re:Work account? by deathplaybanjo · · Score: 1

      Solution: Don't do personal stuff on your work account...

      better solution: host your own email server at home.

      yeah your electricity bill is going to increase and you'll need decent reliable internet.

      Personally, i use Gmail and expect no privacy.

    2. Re:Work account? by Kronos. · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed, a technical solution is not needed for this problem as far as I see it. A little common sense and separation of work and personal life would go a long way.

    3. Re:Work account? by grasshoppa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No shit. OP: Bad news, if it's on company equipment, IT has already looked at it. Your fetish for donkeys is now well known.

      As far as the personal stuff at home; who cares? Family means never having to explain the albino midget you keep in the closet.

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    4. Re:Work account? by bsdaemonaut · · Score: 1

      It can be pretty easily done and at very little cost. An email server doesn't require much in the way of hardware, and it's incredibly easy these days to build (or buy) yourself a computer that uses less wattage than a lightbulb. If you get yourself an mx backup server (which can be had for about $10/yr) most standard home broadband connections would be plenty stable.

    5. Re:Work account? by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Pay for a virtual private server somewhere. Tie it to a credit card or some payment method that you need to keep paying. You die? Payments don't get made, hosting provider nukes the virtual machine after X days for non-payment.

    6. Re:Work account? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, even the best encryption might not help if they install keyloggers now and then.

    7. Re:Work account? by Hohlraum · · Score: 1

      Preach on brother Beavis.

    8. Re:Work account? by Coren22 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Family means never having to explain the albino midget you keep in the closet.

      Dad?

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    9. Re:Work account? by Mitreya · · Score: 1
      Pay for a virtual private server somewhere. Tie it to a credit card or some payment method that you need to keep paying. You die? Payments don't get made, hosting provider nukes the virtual machine after X days for non-payment.

      Yeah, because whoever deals with your inheritance is not going to get those bills? Hosting provider will most likely be willing to provide a new password to whoever gives them a new credit card and your death certificate.

    10. Re:Work account? by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      Fine. If you're *that* worried, use a prepaid debit card you manually have to refill so it's not tied to an account anywhere. Or make sure they accept Paypal and let you manually pay your bills every month and not require a subscription payment setup.

    11. Re:Work account? by roman_mir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a better, more perfect solution.

      Don't die.

      (in the unlikely event that you do die, ask yourself a question: "why do you give a fuck what anybody finds out about you? Really?")

    12. Re:Work account? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a better, more perfect solution.

      Don't die.

      (in the unlikely event that you do die, ask yourself a question: "why do you give a fuck what anybody finds out about you? Really?")

      The same reason many monuments are built and awards given, why so many things get done, so man can make a name for himself that will last past his death. Vanity sure, but to many, your legacy is the only thing about you that will last and most want it to be positive as well as last long term so as to give some meaning, some worth, to their short time here.

    13. Re:Work account? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Dude, the only meaning is what you can make for yourself while you are alive. Once you are dead, there is no more meaning for you, no matter how many monuments can be built, don't fool yourself, there is no meaning after death, do what you can now.

    14. Re:Work account? by Dhalka226 · · Score: 1

      ask yourself a question: "why do you give a fuck what anybody finds out about you? Really?"

      There are good reasons to care what people find out about you. I remember a few years ago, Ted Haggard was head of the National Association of Evangelicals, railing against homosexuals and gay marriage. Then it broke that he was paying a male masseuse for sex and meth.

      Now in his case, he was still alive but imagine the same sort of thing comes to light after death instead. There's shame for his family (who presumably share his views), shame for his church, shame for the association. It destroys his credibility and undermines his church's and his organization's. Assuming he believes what he preached, it undermines his positions as well. You don't get to rail about how horrible homosexuals are, fuck your male masseuse, and claim to be some agent of God on the moral high ground.

      That's just an example, of course. The point is that even if you're dead, you can still have an effect on the world and especially on your family, friends and community. A man's wife finding out he cheated on her is going to hurt her whether he's dead or not (in fact, perhaps more if he is because of the doubts it would cast on the entire relationship). And for what? It may have mattered in life, but it certainly doesn't in death.

      Perhaps more to the point, that's not our decision to make. Dead or not, it's that person's life, that person's secrets. Most people won't care what people find out or think about them once they're dead, but some will -- and that's their choice. I'm not inclined to judge them for it.

    15. Re:Work account? by Dhalka226 · · Score: 1

      Just replying to myself because after re-reading that second paragraph it came off a little anti-homosexual. I didn't mean to imply that being gay was shameful or bad, merely that for people who already do believe that, that being associated with a gay person wouldn't be a good thing, especially given the specific circumstances of the situation I was referring to.

    16. Re:Work account? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      I repeat my question: do you think it matters after you are dead at all? REALLY? That's just very narrow vision. Once you are dead, it absolutely does not matter at all, even if it concerns your closest family or the entire world. You are dead, you are gone, you have no more input and no more output on any of this. There is no more input to you on any of this. To you nothing exists and you do not exist. The eternity == to infinity == to nothing at that point, all the time or space does not matter, it's all as if it never existed.

      The only real thing that matters is what you are doing while you are alive. Everything else is completely irrelevant and made up.

    17. Re:Work account? by mpe · · Score: 1

      There are good reasons to care what people find out about you. I remember a few years ago, Ted Haggard was head of the National Association of Evangelicals, railing against homosexuals and gay marriage. Then it broke that he was paying a male masseuse for sex and meth.

      In which case the solution is to either "practice what you preach" or "preach what you practice".

      Now in his case, he was still alive but imagine the same sort of thing comes to light after death instead. There's shame for his family (who presumably share his views), shame for his church, shame for the association. It destroys his credibility and undermines his church's and his organization's. Assuming he believes what he preached, it undermines his positions as well. You don't get to rail about how horrible homosexuals are, fuck your male masseuse, and claim to be some agent of God on the moral high ground.

      So you think hypocrits should be protected? (Possibly he should have been a member of the Catholic Church instead.)

    18. Re:Work account? by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      Some people actually care for the feelings and reputation of their loved ones. The question whether I am alive when they become hurt or have their reputation damaged would be irrelevant.

      Of course this would not be a problem for me: I do not have a transexual bearded midget fettish. I assure you I do not. Why don't you believe me? Those files are not mine! Who put them there?

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    19. Re:Work account? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      only realize that to a non-existing being, problems of existing beings are not their problems, all I am saying that everybody's life passes in an infinitesimally short period of time, which in fact does not even mean anything to a non-existing entity. To a non-existing entity infinity = 1 =0 = negative infinity. Anybody's problem is really irrelevant once you are not there. They'll get over it, and even if an entire civilization dies because of some information that came out after your death, even that is completely irrelevant to a non-existing entity.

      It only matters in your mind while you are alive and it only matters because you have a perspective, which non-existing entity does not. So, sure, it's your choice what you want or do not want to come out, but realize, once you are dead, things that you may not wished to come out, can STILL come out, but it's not important.

    20. Re:Work account? by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      I will not care then, because I would probably be unable to (or I'd be in hell and have other things on my mind). I do care now that my death will not reveal things that would harm them, in any way. They would already have to cope with the hangover of the party triggered by my demise.

      The best protection would be to prevent the causing of these things as much as possible, although this can be hard for some.

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    21. Re:Work account? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      I will not care then, because I would probably be unable to (or I'd be in hell and have other things on my mind).

      - I like your optimism.

    22. Re:Work account? by Nicolay77 · · Score: 1

      It destroys his credibility

      He never deserved it.

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    23. Re:Work account? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait. I'm confused. I was laughing cause it said Score:5, Funny, but does the "Dad" comment refer to the midget or the person keeping the midget in the closet?

  8. Well duh by Anitech · · Score: 1

    Here's an idea... Don't keep personal data on company assets. As an admin I can't stand having people store there wedding videos, "personal" music collections, and what have you on the company's network file storage.

  9. Why using company mail for private issues? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are you using your company mail to send/receive personal mail? There would be nothing to find if you separated your personal information from the company.

  10. Whats the surprise? by mschoolbus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They can already read your emails..

    1. Re:Whats the surprise? by keraneuology · · Score: 1

      Nuh uh - I ROT-13ed everything and they can't see nuttin'

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    2. Re:Whats the surprise? by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      Do it twice to be extra secure!

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    3. Re:Whats the surprise? by Attolia · · Score: 1

      Nuh uh - I ROT-13ed everything and they can't see nuttin'

      Ah, but IND-CCA2 much better. Must do many times. Risalah fi Istikhraj al-Mu'amma Subh al-a 'sha!

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  11. Umm... by tom229 · · Score: 1

    Personal gmail account?

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  12. Encryption by Vegemeister · · Score: 1

    Encrypt it. Don't write down the passphrase. If you're especially concerned, make a script to unmount the encrypted volumes after some amount of time with no user input. Say, three hours. This is also convenient if you are arrested.

    I recommend truecrypt, though I don't have experience with anything else. Also, I find it quite odd that your train of thought is:

    I don't want anybody to see this. --> Put it on the internet!

    1. Re:Encryption by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      The problem with Truecrypt is that the volume is portable and they can run a dictionary attack against the passphrase at their leisure. I roll with an IronKey, with hardware-driven AES encryption. After 10 unsuccessful attempts at entering the passphrase in a row, it destroys the key, never to be recovered again.

      Also on the subject of drive encryption, I have a server here at work I built with an encrypted RAID5 array using the GELI drivers in FreeBSD. The server has to be booted with a USB drive containing the encryption key if you want the drives to come back up when you reboot the server (alternatively, you can manually mount them -- point is, you need the USB key). It's a pretty nice arrangement, too.

    2. Re:Encryption by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      The problem with Truecrypt is that the volume is portable and they can run a dictionary attack against the passphrase at their leisure.

      Not that I have any sympathy for the asker in this case (just keep private stuff at home and you're good), but with any decent passphrase "at their leisure" could very well be measured in millenia for brute forcing a good password. If you're over 8-9 characters, with alphas and numbers, and not based on a dictionary word, then I can guarantee you that a) barring you having national security level info tucked away they're not going to care enough to even try to break the encryption, and b) even if they DID care enough, they wouldn't be able to brute force it in any sane timeframe.

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    3. Re:Encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If is worried about what you just suggested on basically meaningless (to other people) data, then he needs to take off his tinfoil hat.

    4. Re:Encryption by bsDaemon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I understand that it be a wicked long time before they crack the passphrase, and that a good passphrase is key. Mine is pretty amazingly awesome (long, case switching, numbers for letters, all that good stuff) but I still feel better knowing that there is a hard limit on the short side that prevents a successful attack.

    5. Re:Encryption by Vegemeister · · Score: 1
      I may have been unclear. I was using 'passphrase' figuratively. If a dictionary attack actually works, then the the OP clearly doesn't actually care that much about who sees what when he/she dies.

      I use a 20 character random alphanumeric string. I lent out my eee 701 to my mother, and as such I do not currently have a linux box to test this, but you should be able to generate such a 20 character string like this:

      head -c256 /dev/random | tr -dc a-z0-9 | head -c20

      It's kind of a hack to get it in one line, and there is a small chance of not getting 20 alphanumeric ascii characters out of 256 bytes. You may also want tho wiggle the mouse around a bit so it doesn't take so long. But you really don't need to generate strong passwords very often.

      I like the idea of key files on a flash drive, but I've misplaced a flash drive or two in my time and I'm not willing to risk my data on keeping track of something the size of a lighter.

    6. Re:Encryption by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      No, its understood. My passwords for all my online financial information, email addresses, user accounts and server root passwords are all randomly generated. They are stored in a keepassx database and locked with a passphrase that I know. The keepassx database is kept on my ironkey, which is locked with a passphrase that I know. I also have the passwords backed up in the IronKey password locker for when I'm on strange systems, especially those which use Windows, as those utilities on the IronKey only work with Windows (grr...).

    7. Re:Encryption by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 1

      The problem with Truecrypt is that the volume is portable and they can run a dictionary attack against the passphrase at their leisure. I roll with an IronKey, with hardware-driven AES encryption. After 10 unsuccessful attempts at entering the passphrase in a row, it destroys the key, never to be recovered again.

      Also on the subject of drive encryption, I have a server here at work I built with an encrypted RAID5 array using the GELI drivers in FreeBSD. The server has to be booted with a USB drive containing the encryption key if you want the drives to come back up when you reboot the server (alternatively, you can manually mount them -- point is, you need the USB key). It's a pretty nice arrangement, too.

      You can use a keyfile/password combination with TrueCrypt as well. That way they'll have to have both your keyfile (which could be any file on your system, USB stick, Dropbox account, etc.) and your password.

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    8. Re:Encryption by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      But what are the odds that anyone is gonna do a brute force attack for this guys emails to his wife/GF/whatever? Just as I'm sure if the NSA had possession of your IronKey they could probably desolder the chips and find a way around that 10 attempt lockout, but would they bother?

      It is like I tell folks here at the shop when they ask about such things, it is like security on your home. Sure you could spend 30k+ on laser tripwires and heat activated motion sensors, but deadbolts and a loud blasting alarm will work just as well against your average thief. So unless this guy is part of a spy ring or running a server that would draw the attention of law enforcement the odds that anyone would go to the trouble to run a brute force attack on an 8+ mix of letters/numbers/symbols is pretty much nil. Hell most of the flunkies I know working for IT depts wouldn't know the first thing about running a dictionary attack.

      So I'd say in this case truecrypt on a flash should be all he'll ever need. And if all he is worried about is his porn collection at home, so fricking what? He is a guy, he has a penis, he has a porn collection. Big whoop. Just have a relative you trust set up to clean out your effects when you are gone, and as a bonus it takes the burden off the wife who naturally is gonna be in no shape to deal at that time. when my uncle died suddenly of cancer (literally didn't have a bit of pain and was eat up with it) me and his other nephews went in and packed his effects into boxes for his wife. When we found his porn stash (after my cousin helped himself to the ones he wanted) we simply boxed it up and tossed it. So a little planning can go a long way and can more importantly help his wife through that tough time.

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      ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
    9. Re:Encryption by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      Well, I use my IronKey also for work stuff, which needs that level of security from time to time. Allegedly, the potting is meant to prevent the physical tampering that you describe, but I'm not going to take mine apart to see. At least I know it makes it waterproof for any reasonable amount of water that I'd encounter.

    10. Re:Encryption by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      After 10 unsuccessful attempts at entering the passphrase in a row, it destroys the key, never to be recovered again.

      If I was transporting a copy of the data across national borders, and I didn't want customs to get a copy... a self-destruct sequence makes a lot of sense. But to have a permanent sword of damocles dangling over the data by a thread... If I valued the data so much that I was willing to go to extremes to protect it... and then set it up to be irrevocably trashed that easily... I might as well just delete it now to save myself the aggravation.

    11. Re:Encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hardware or not it's still bits. I could take out your data and read it bit-by-bit, if need be it with a magnetic needle and a steady hand.
      Your 10 try's and i'll self nuke is snake oil. Anyone determined enough to try and break your AES will know it and bypass it. Everyone else will never break your AES and thus will always end up deleting your data. It's really a loose-loose for you and your data.

    12. Re:Encryption by electrostatic · · Score: 1

      The problem with Truecrypt is that the volume is portable and they can run a dictionary attack against the passphrase at their leisure.

      Then don't use a dictionary word or combination thereof.

      TC uses a unique salt that is generated when you initially create the encryption key. The salt hashed with your password and the result is hashed again 1,000 times. Use of a salt prevents the use of a rainbow table. Hashing it 1,000 times grievously slows down any kind of brute-force attack.

      The term "at their leisure" does not compare to even the most optimistic attack time frame.

    13. Re:Encryption by fineghal · · Score: 1

      I can just so easily see drunkenly trying to enter a complicated password...

    14. Re:Encryption by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying your IronKey isn't an excellent product and wouldn't stop all but the most determined (and wealthy) cracker, but as we have known since the 70s it ALL comes down to that "do you trust the compiler?" problem. Let us say for the sake of argument the NSA nabs you, and for whatever reason you manage to withhold your password under interrogation. I'm sure with the power they wield the NSA could simply go to the IronKey guys and say "give us your schematics and help us figure out how to break it or we shut you down" and they would help or else.

      So in the end it really comes down to "how much money and effort is that data worth?" and for both you and the writer of TFA the answer is most likely "Not enough to make the effort to break it worth it". After all the guy is (hopefully) not running a CP ring or is the money launderer for a major terrorist organization, so even the most basic of encryption should do just fine, as most folks, even IT guys, simply aren't gonna to the trouble of running dictionary attacks using distributed computing just to find out he was fucking around on his wife and likes midget lesbian videos.

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    15. Re:Encryption by tftp · · Score: 1

      Sure you could spend 30k+ on laser tripwires and heat activated motion sensors, but deadbolts and a loud blasting alarm will work just as well against your average thief.

      Laser beams and PIR motion sensors are used to silently alert you to the thief before the thief knows it. This gives you time to wake up, assess the situation, call 911, grab your firearms, etc. When a loud alarm starts screaming you should be already in position, ready to do whatever is appropriate. If you are asleep in bed when the siren starts, the attackers have an advantage - they can be in your bedroom just by the time when you wake up disoriented and scared.

    16. Re:Encryption by tftp · · Score: 1

      But to have a permanent sword of damocles dangling over the data by a thread...

      Nobody suggests that you have your only copy of that data on the IronKey. Have the data at home, secured by whatever you want there, and carry a copy of files that you need on the IronKey. If you lose the IronKey, or it self-destructs, it only means, for example, that you can't manage your bank account from work today.

    17. Re:Encryption by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Nobody suggests that you have your only copy of that data on the IronKey.

      Except that this sort of self-destruct is precisely what lots of people appear to be suggesting!! Including the original article submitter -- just read the summary, quoted below:

      "All my most private personal stuff in one place. [...] Best would be a service with a dead-man's switch, so that if I don't access it in, say, three months, it auto-purges. Any thoughts?"

      All my most private personal stuff in one place, with a dead-man's switch. Nuff said. :p

    18. Re:Encryption by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Actually as someone who has lived on the wrong side of the tracks more than once in his life I can say that thieves are like lions...they're lazy creatures that go for the easy kill. While it is true there are a few that can fast cut alarms and the like, the odds of running into one of those is EXTREMELY rare, and the rest will simply go pick an easier target.

      It really is like predators and prey when it comes to thieves. If one house has a loud screeching alarm and there are a hundred plus to choose from, why waste your time? The only time I have seen this not prove true is in regards to domestic violence, which in that case one should really have a restraining order and a gun anyway. And the funny part? Many thieves aren't afraid of guns, but they ARE afraid of dogs. I guess there is just something primal about an animal with its gums slicked back ready to pounce that spooks them.

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    19. Re:Encryption by tftp · · Score: 1

      Many thieves aren't afraid of guns, but they ARE afraid of dogs. I guess there is just something primal about an animal with its gums slicked back ready to pounce that spooks them.

      It's pretty hard to defend yourself against a determined dog. If there are several, things go downhill fast. Even a handgun is not a guaranteed way to disable an attacking dog; it might be on you in seconds.

    20. Re:Encryption by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      What I always thought was weird was I had a buddy that was a county cop. He said "Here I am with a 12 gauge, not even 30 feet from the guy. Odds of me not killing him? Zero. But would he get down? Fuck no. But then one of the K9 units lets loose the dog and his ass is screaming "I quit! Get the dog man, get the dog!"

      So I have to agree with him, that for some reason a human faced with a growling beast brings out a more primal response than a human with a gun. Because like he said "everybody knows we cops have to go through serious firearms training, and most of us down here are hunters as well. We DON'T miss" and yet they can let loose a single dog and get a guy to give up whereas three cops standing there with weapons drawn won't even phase the guy. Weird huh?

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    21. Re:Encryption by tftp · · Score: 1

      Weird huh?

      There is indeed that primal fear of a beast. An unfounded fear would disappear over time, just like today most people aren't afraid of Hell or demons or whatever other scarecrow of the past one can think of. But fear of animals remains. Why? Because it is far from being unfounded. A dog will literally tear you apart, bit by bit. The dog hasn't signed the Geneva convention, haven't read the Constitution and swore no adherence to a human law.

      I think a criminal in the situation that you depicted is clearly counting on the fact that the police officer is not going to execute him on the spot. (That happens only if you are unarmed and largely innocent.) So as long as he doesn't shoot, the LEO won't shoot either. The criminal has several options at this point - maybe he can escape now, maybe he can escape later, maybe his friends are coming, maybe the officer is injured, etc. In any case he doesn't risk much in a standoff, and the police also won't be taking risks as long as the suspect is cornered.

      But if the LEO sends a dog, the criminal can't negotiate with the dog, and probably can't even kill it before it bites him. It's a force of nature, like a hurricane. You don't negotiate with a hurricane, you do your best to escape. In this case escape is possible only toward the police. Otherwise the dog will tear him into little pieces, and the police then just sweeps the remains into a small plastic bag and calls it a day. If a dog kills or maims him, there can be no lawsuit against that dog, especially if you are dead by then.

  13. Actually... by gvoima · · Score: 1

    ...it raises a question, why would anyone keep their personal stuff that really is embarrassing or important on company email account? Or on that matter, ON a company laptop.

    1. Re:Actually... by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      I think you're almost right. I would've ended the sentence a little sooner, though: "why would anyone keep their personal stuff that really is embarrassing"

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  14. Don't send personal emails at work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    How about not sending personal emails using your work email account?

    Problem solved.

  15. Some thoughts by grahamsz · · Score: 1

    On a more serious note.

    1) Kill switch is unnecessary. If it's a paid service then it'll purge when you stop paying the bill

    2) I've been playing with tarsnap lately and i'm pretty impressed. You use it just like tar but it uses a private key to store the results on their server. They can't see what you store and it intelligently tracks diffs so if a file appears in multiple archives you don't need to transfer or pay for it after the first time.

    3) Something like mozy or jungledrive would surely be easier to use and should be able to offer a similar level of protection. Obviously you'll have to be a little cautious about who has access to your private key, but it should protect you from casual snoopers

    4) Stop storing personal stuff at work

    1. Re:Some thoughts by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      1) Kill switch is unnecessary. If it's a paid service then it'll purge when you stop paying the bill

      Two problems there. 1) It's highly unlikely that it'll immediately purge. It'll probably just disable access and keep the files around for a good while.

      2) Depending on his account setup (PARTICULARLY if he's autodrafting from an account that is shared with his wife), then the auto-bill could go on for a significant amount of time beyond his death. If on a debit card, then several years until it expires. If it's straight out of a checking account (I have some loan payments setup this way), then it could go for many, many years so long as the account has funds.

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    2. Re:Some thoughts by grahamsz · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure i'd want any kind of backup with an immediate kill switch. I know i'm online an awful lot, but i can think of situations where i'd not have access for quite a few weeks.

      Tarsnap is prepaid with paypal, so when your account balance drops to zero they'll wipe your files without any kind of additional charge.

      Though I am reminded of that japanese guy who'd been dead for 20 years in his apartment because his pension was going in automatically and his rent and bills were being similarly paid.

    3. Re:Some thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kill switch is unnecessary. If it's a paid service then it'll purge when you stop paying the bill

      That is true in theory. In practice, your files may well sit there for ages on a hard drive and even longer on a tape. Do not assume that they purge your files when they block your access. Odds are they did that when the business started and promptly ran into some POd customers who were late in paying the bill, so they changed their policy. Odds are even higher that they are simply slothful and only purge files when disk space gets really low.

      Personal story: I've been in my current apartment for over 3 years. The cable company has yet to disable the feed into my apartment even though I've never signed up with them and never sent them a penny. Free cable for 3 years: yep, they sure cut things off as soon as you stop paying.

  16. Why? by quarkoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've got to ask the question, but... why?

    I mean, if you don't want anybody to find this stuff when you're dead, why bother collecting it when you're alive?

    And for the 'pictures' of the wife, what's wrong with a Truecrypt store?

    1. Re:Why? by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Mod parent VERY insightful.
      If I die, i don't give a shit how people are going to perceive me if they find my not-that-secret porn collection or whatever they would loathe. Because I'm dead!
      What makes the poster ask such a question?
      Is it fear that his family will think differently of you post-mortem? Well, my friend, if you have such deep and ugly secrets towards your family, then sorry to say, doesn't sound like a family to me.
      Is it fear that society would make you a pariah post-mortem? Whet do you care? Death is forever, the last thing you'll do in your life :)
      I dunno, it seems to me that people think too much about how they are be perceived by others. So much that they cease to be themselves and become... masks? Puppets?
      The only thing that would make you try and hide some data is if that data is proof of something extremely illegal. So ugly that it'd cast a big and dark shadow over the ones you love. But that, my friend, is a good sign that you should either stop it or better yet, come clean with it and confess.
      In the end, we're stuck with a morality problem here.
      If you are an 250 pounds man who loves wearing pink stockings, then no need to make sure this stays hidden after you die.
      If you raped and killed 12 cheerleaders over the last 10 years, then it'd be best to confess that to the first police officer you encounter.
      Either way... they're not going to take you out of the grave and laugh at you / arrest you for anything they might uncover.

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    2. Re:Why? by stdarg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      After he's dead, he still doesn't want people to know because it'll reflect badly on him and make people he's close to feel bad or uncomfortable?

      I mean just because you'll be dead doesn't mean that you, now, alive, can't think of other people's feelings and how future revelations will affect them.

    3. Re:Why? by stdarg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is it fear that society would make you a pariah post-mortem? Whet do you care? Death is forever, the last thing you'll do in your life :)

      It might be uncomfortable for your still-living family. Why would you not care what happens to your family after you die? Do you also think people who buy life insurance are dumb?

    4. Re:Why? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      After he's dead, he still doesn't want people to know because it'll reflect badly on him and make people he's close to feel bad or uncomfortable?

      I mean just because you'll be dead doesn't mean that you, now, alive, can't think of other people's feelings and how future revelations will affect them.

      Then why is he creating the record in the first place?

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    5. Re:Why? by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      If he was truly concerned about those feelings and reactions, he wouldn't have anything that would generate them stashed on his computer.

    6. Re:Why? by ericfitz · · Score: 1

      I mean, if you don't want anybody to find this stuff when you're dead, why bother collecting it when you're alive?

      That was my first thought as well. If you don't want people to ever see something, then don't ever record it in the first place, and for god's sake, don't record it on the web using equipment that belongs to your boss.

      There have been court rulings (and probably will be more in the future) that allow bosses to monitor your communications on equipment that belongs to them. So just stay away from that.

      Also, the internet never forgets- if you don't want something visible in the future, then you better keep it off the web now.

      Crypto degrades over time as processing power and mathematical research improve, so it doesn't make sense to say " uses with , just use that". Who knows? The day after you die they might break the product implementation or the crypto algorithm or come up with a way to try the entire universe of key space in O(1), so encrypting something but leaving it lying around is not a safe thing to do.

      Better to never create the information if you don't ever want anyone to see it. Keep it in your head. There are lots of mnemonic tricks for remembering things that you want to recall later.

    7. Re:Why? by owlstead · · Score: 1

      You collect stuff when you are alive because you think that you or somebody else might take a look at it at some point in the future. That future does not necessarily include the period after the collector died.

      If your post was insightful then this post must be a revelation to the mods out there today.

    8. Re:Why? by phoenix321 · · Score: 1

      That's the an offensive rebuttal, because all kinds of people do and collect all kinds of weird stuff.

      You don't put photos on Facebook your mother wouldn't approve of, but that doesn't mean you don't KEEP photos your mother and grandmother wouldn't dare to look at.

      If your life is entirely PG-13, then fine for you. Mine isn't, and I don't want to change that. I still don't want to have someone rummaging around my stuff EVER.

      I don't store anything like that on my work computer of course. Only complete utter morons would store anything beyond the absolutely necessary things on anything related to business. (wife's phone number on the company phone, so you can call her easily if the private phone's battery went down etc.)

    9. Re:Why? by Burnhard · · Score: 1

      Isn't anyone around here a Solipsist?

    10. Re:Why? by mdenham · · Score: 1

      Why are you asking people who don't exist?

    11. Re:Why? by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Life insurance exists so that you can leave something to someone.
      I would care what happens to my family after I die, but I would care before I died, and if I do have skeletons in my closet, my family should have known about those firsthand.
      Oh and btw, gossiping and making fun or being disgusted by something you find out about a deceased person is disgusting by itself. Leave the dead alone, don't look in the shit. The dude is dead, gone and buried. So should his embarrassing perks be.

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  17. Easy by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

    Encryption + online storage. You can use openssl, truecrypt or whatever you like for encryption and, say, Jungledisk for online storage. Problem solved. Unless you think your colleagues will mount a 1 trillion entry dictionary attack against the file that they illegally recovered from your personal online storage after your death. In case of which you should perhaps look for new colleagues.

    1. Re:Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, just keep a couple years worth of prepaid hosting and let the provider delete it if you don't pay up postmortem. The cold hand of capitalism can flip your dead man's switch.

  18. You'll be dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Are you really going to care that much?

    1. Re:You'll be dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      In the same way a funeral is not for you, it's for your family or other people associated with you. They are going to be the ones to suffer when everyone learns about your octopus porn collection

  19. please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't understand how the old e-mails can embarrass YOU after YOU are dead. Please explain.

    1. Re:please explain by longhairedgnome · · Score: 1

      Think of the children !

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  20. Use a home server by Nadaka · · Score: 1

    Run a server out of your house. Use linux with truecrypt and SELinux enabled. Access it through ssh if you need to from a remote site.

    1. Re:Use a home server by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      A lot of companies don't allow ssh through their firewalls. In some previous workplaces, I had to use some program which tunneled SSH over HTTP. At my current workplace, even that doesn't work.

  21. Why make it complicated ? by germansausage · · Score: 1

    Do what I do. Store the unhallowed debris of your grimy little soul in a true crypt file. When you shuffle off to meet your maker the passphrase goes with you. Need web access, put it on dropbox.

  22. Completely Disagree by TehZorroness · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When you die, your writings and works are the only thing left of you. They are the only way for someone to try to dig deeper into your mind and build up an understanding of your true character. A lot of crazy shit happens in a lifetime, someone may really appreciate you leaving a book of your reflections behind.

    1. Re:Completely Disagree by theJML · · Score: 1

      You may not want everything in that book though. Don't want to slander yourself with something that may have only been a passing thought or thought exercise and is afterwards taken completely out of context.

      While I agree with you, it might be best to have an easily found diary/journal/captain's log/whatever for your relatives to find upon your passing, perhaps even including said location in your will.

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    2. Re:Completely Disagree by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      I don't see what people could be doing that is so embarrassing anyway. Unless you are taking photos of yourself dressing as a wolf and having sex with real sheep it's probably nothing that most the people around you aren't doing too. I really don't see the whole paranoid need for privacy. Who cares if everybody else knows that you're just like everybody else? It's probably healthy to stop worrying that you'll be found out.

      That said, why not just use an encrypted disk image? Mac OS and Linux have built-in encrypted disks and Windows can get something like TrueCrypt. I often keep my work encrypted while still in-progress to keep people from trying to help (we have some none programmers that wish they were programmers in management).

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    3. Re:Completely Disagree by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

      someone may really appreciate you leaving a book of your reflections behind.

      reading people's tweets would indicate otherwise. Unless you are a particularly talented writer, most personal reflections are the most turgid and self-indulgent nonsense imaginable.

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    4. Re:Completely Disagree by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

      I don't see what people could be doing that is so embarrassing anyway

      Well, you could be hoping for some revenge from "beyond the grave" by spreading lies (or even truths) about family members you disliked.

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    5. Re:Completely Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's many things I wouldn't want my family to see on my computer if I suddenly passed. My friends and family see me as a nice guy, I work (mostly) hard, and enjoy many hobbies. I create music and art, and will give my last dollar to a stranger (and have). I think I project a rather decent life.

      I'm also a closet ephebephile.

      I enjoy looking at pictures of teenage girls, 13-15 mostly, for sexual release. I'm a pervert. I know this, and would give anything to not have those desires. But, I am how I am. I wouldn't want to taint the memories of my family with that, so I keep it unbelievably encrypted and hidden.

    6. Re:Completely Disagree by Vahokif · · Score: 1

      And it's not like it'll have serious repercussions on your death.

    7. Re:Completely Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be careful. Maybe change your hobby from 13-15 to young looking 18 year olds in sexy R rated movies.

      I am a forensic investigator and you wouldn't believe the tools we have. Encrypting with TrueCrypt? (which is, by the way, the best out there) I can scan your drive and free space outside partitions for tell-tale entropy and sizes that indicate a possible TrueCrypt file or partition. I have tools that will try every combination of every word found on your hard drive both in files, in deleted space, and every word from every website there is a record of you visiting as a TrueCrypt key. Using keyfiles? I can also try every file on your drive as a keyfile and in combinations with passwords and other files.

      Think your fake coin with a micro-SD in it is safe? Nope. We'll look for that. Tiny NAS hidden behind your wall? We'll probe the network and we'll check records in your computer for access to networked drives.

      Don't put it past the 3 letter organizations to keep logs of the chans.
      Don't put it past the authoritah's to keep a log of everything coming in and out of your port at the ISP.

      Of course, none of this will be done if no-one suspects anything, but do you really want to live with that fear in the back of your mind? You won't get a polite letter, you'll get a bunch of testosterone-pumped cops breaking down your door at 4 am just because they can who just took a training course in tasers and are dying to try it out.

      Personally I don't see the harm in someone admiring beauty if they don't hurt anyone. Humanity has thought post-pubescent girls are sexy for 99% of it's existence. But I don't write the laws.

    8. Re:Completely Disagree by Angst+Badger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When you die, your writings and works are the only thing left of you. They are the only way for someone to try to dig deeper into your mind and build up an understanding of your true character.

      Thanks, but I don't owe that to anyone. Period. The very thought of someone having unrestricted access to my private writings makes me feel physically ill. And it's not because I have any unusual skeletons in my closet, it's because that access would be a total violation of my personal boundaries. You're welcome to what I choose to share while I'm alive, and I share quite a bit, but I don't belong to you or anyone else. Quite frankly, I like the idea that I'll be completely erased by death. Having spent my entire life with claims placed upon me by family, employers, government agencies, creditors, and countless social organizations, it is no small comfort to know that something will escape the insatiable demands of my fellow man.

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    9. Re:Completely Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Equally someone may really appreciate your lifetime's collection of german shizer porn.

    10. Re:Completely Disagree by hoggoth · · Score: 1

      Where I live in New York it's pretty hard to shock anyone. But I have friends in other parts of the country where anything out of the ordinary generates shock and outrage. Everyone's situation is different. I can certainly see why someone in Peoria doesn't want the neighborhood bible reading group to read your private thoughts on your gay son.

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    11. Re:Completely Disagree by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uhhhh...let me get this straight, maybe I'm misunderstanding you...You would WANT your family to know you were into Tranny Grannies and midget bukkake? Because lets be honest here, he is most likely asking the question because he has a fetish he has kept wifeypoo in the dark about and don't want her and the rest of the family to know about when he kicks the bucket. This isn't some deep dark poetry of his soul here, most likely one of your standard kinks you can get off any site like RedPorn.

      If I had to guess, based on what I've dealt with here at the shop, it will be either Trannies, B&D/S&M, or piss/shit related. Not exactly what you would want anyone trying to "dig deeper into your mind" to actually know you got a boner over bud. If I had to lay money I would bet on the trannies or B&D/S&M, as those two seem to be relatively popular yet people act like it was goat porn or something. I guess they figure it makes them "unmanly" or something, but as I tell my customers "As long as there is nothing illegal on the desktop I frankly don't care what you look at, because unless it is on the desktop on Windows folders or you specifically tell me to back up the folder you have it in I ain't gonna know about because I don't snoop". But folks act like they have to be some big deviant or something just because they have a porn collection. Big fricking deal.

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    12. Re:Completely Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > When you die, your writings and works are the only thing left of you.

      Let me guess: You don't have kids.

    13. Re:Completely Disagree by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      bigger question is: who cares about your reflections?

    14. Re:Completely Disagree by owlstead · · Score: 1

      I've lost quite a few people in my lifetime, and personally I would not want to know anything more than what I shared with them while they were alive. And unless there are certain enigma's tearing apart a family or something similar, I would highly recommend to not dig too deep. Remember the people like they were during their lifetime, not some image you get when you start digging into their writings.

    15. Re:Completely Disagree by blair1q · · Score: 1

      That's why I'm never going to die.

      I couldn't handle the embarassment...

    16. Re:Completely Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, now. There's nothing wrong with goat porn. At least, as long as the goat's aren't trannies.

    17. Re:Completely Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fortunately there are methods to produce keyfiles on-the-fly that would require monitoring the system generating the keyfile, or by grabbing a copy of the keyfile for the short time it exists on the target machine before being burned. They've got to want it really bad, and/or in advance, to get it from me, since it only exists when a volume needs unlocking and isn't going to be recoverable without a keylogger and an electron microscope after the operation is completed.

      That said, anyone with a bit of creativity can probably think of a number of possible ways to make it almost impossible for recovery to occur (not to mention that a practical recovery using scanning microscopy is still only theoretical). The only real risk is if you're already being monitored, at least if you're smart and careful.

    18. Re:Completely Disagree by Bagok · · Score: 1

      This. My wife of five years passed away last summer. I quickly realized as that much as I loved her, understood her mind and heart there was soooo much I didn't know about her. We didn't go through our personal papers together. It seemed we were always busy doing something else, time for that later. Once she was diagnosed years of life were about beating the fucking cancer and not let it stop our dreaming a future together. And then, seemingly suddenly, it was too late.

      But my baby was a packrat. She made hard copies of hundreds of emails, some of which were just a joy to read. She had every letter she ever received, letters she had written her mom from childhood through her mother's death (like mother like daughter). Hundreds of photographs I didn't know existed. Short stories, homework, failed little craft experiments, diaries and travel journals. Working through her papers and internet presence has helped. I am glad I'm still getting to know her.

      I pale in comparison, I realize I've let a lot of my past disappear. Teh speaks with a lot of wisdom here.

      --
      I'm not sure about faith moving mountains, but I've seen what it can do to skyscrapers.
    19. Re:Completely Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you die, your writings and works are the only thing left of you. They are the only way for someone to try to dig deeper into your mind and build up an understanding of your true character. A lot of crazy shit happens in a lifetime, someone may really appreciate you leaving a book of your reflections behind.

      I have to agree with that. You may have a descendant or other family member that would be given a lot of peace knowing you wrestled with a mental illness or something during your life. Your deepest darkest thoughts and secrets might break the chain of abuse, or allow some one to seek help for their own issues. It could also make the people who knew you remember you in a more positive light. ie "So that's why Bob was (fill in blank), he wasn't the spawn of satan, just misunderstood."

  23. Why web-based? by hcdejong · · Score: 1

    If you want to access the info anywhere, but keep the files private, you could store them on a USB drive instead. That eliminates most security holes, and you could easily encrypt the files for even better security.
    This also gives you the option to launch applications from the drive (I use FirefoxPortable, for instance), ie. applications that you control instead of the company. That still leaves the possibility of the company snooping on any connections you make, unless you encrypt those.

    Keeping personal stuff on a work computer is just bad informational hygiene.

  24. Just a though... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe you shouldn't use your work email for personal stuff?

  25. Use encrypted archives? by capo_dei_capi · · Score: 1

    Make a tar, zip, w/e archive of the stuff you want to backup, encrypt it and upload it to the cloud, eg. dropbox. Make sure sure that it's bigger than the free 2GB, so when you die and stop paying the storage fee, they'll delete your account. Was that so hard, or did I overlook something?

  26. this is silly by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

    First of all, keep your business and personal data separate, or at the very least keep your embarrassing personal data separate.

    Secondly, don't upload shit you want to keep private to any web service. They may not be honest, but even if they are they could still be hacked. Use truecrypt on a USB drive you keep with your car keys. For backups, upload the encrypted file container from your USB disk to any random online file storage periodically.

    Thirdly, don't worry about being embarrassed after you die. You'll be dead; you won't care.

    --
    A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.
  27. Lesson Learned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't use my work PC for anything personal besides browsing /., shopping for tech books on amazon, and anything else I deem SFW.

    On my PC at my last job, I had an excel budget that I updated during lunch for maybe a week before I gave up using it. Needless to say, I forgot about it months later when I left, and who knows who saw it. Not the worst thing that could happen, but lesson learned nonetheless.

    Also, I don't use my work email for personal stuff; that alone is reason for termination if the company needs one (using company resources for personal use).

  28. Re:His wife is great in the sack by couchslug · · Score: 1

    "I was fucking his wife last night and apparently he was hung like a toddler."

    She said you were a "form and fit replacement".

    --
    "This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
  29. Bittorrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Encrypt it - rename it gang_bang_naked_chicks.avi and post on your favorite bittorrent site. Unlimited storage free forever.

  30. web based storage? by vux984 · · Score: 1

    So, I'm looking for something to be absolutely private and secure...
    "So I was thinking that some sort of web-based storage for files..."

    Yeah. That was my first thought too. "Lets put them on the internet."

    How about,
    1) don't access absolutely private stuff at work.
    2) store it on an encrypted drive
    3) consider putting instructions in your will that it be destroyed

    Other than that, as for a dead-mans switch type thing. Seriously? You'd seriously prefer continually risking losing the documents forever over the slight possibility that someone might hack the encryption and see them after you are dead?

    Why not just delete them now and spare yourself the hassle?

  31. Um by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

    This is about the easiest problem in the world to solve. If you don't want corporate IT in your personal business, then don't do your personal business on those systems. You have no expectation of privacy on work computers. Anything you don't want them to see, do it AT HOME on your own system.

    --
    "People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
    1. Re:Um by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even easier: if you don't want your work place to access your private life, then don't work. All you guys are looking at this in far too complex a way.

  32. Internet == network of networks. by carton · · Score: 1

    A home router capable of running OpenWRT VPN packages, such as a Fonera or a Sheevaplug, and then store files on your home server. The Fonera has pretty control panels produced by funded developers, so the software is pretty good, but its radio has a blob driver, and its memory and CPU capability makes it seem like a ripoff compared to the Sheevaplug which has more than 4x of both.

    There are many different kinds of VPN: OpenVPN is probably best at busting through firewalls, while L2TP/IPsec has clients pre-integrated into proprietary operating systems.

    You will also need to set up dynamic DNS on this router, and worry about the un-neutral port blocking or no-servers AUP your ISP might do.

    I use a plain IPsec VPN based on proprietary Cisco software, which is something you can also do with eBay, but this is definitely not the wise approach for someone with no budget or experience, and a dynamic IP address.

    Once the VPN is done you can get to your files almost the same way you do at home, only slower, and ``browsing'' won't work. but ``map network drive'' and Command-K will work just as they do at home, if you use an IP address. There is no monthly fee, and you keep all the files in your possession where a dishonest or over-cooperative ``cloud'' company can't eagerly turn them over in response to secret police state letters, curious advertisers, or civil lawsuits.

    The internet should be connecting everyone together. It's not a service delivery platform for cloud providers, although you may think that if you read too many of the ads these companies post, and internalize too many of the un-neutral restrictions last-mile carriers place on your access.

  33. Just live a clean and pure life... by sgage · · Score: 1

    ... and you'll have nothing to worry about :-)

    I keed, I keed!

    First off, anyone who keeps incriminating material on a work computer is ot-nay oo-tay ight-bray.

    I do keep a series of rather personal and private journals on my home computer, password-protected. There is some stuff that I've written there that's not meant for anyone else to see, ever.

    Other than that, I don't think anyone would be too interested in the vast collection of stuff on my computer - some of which has followed me from computer to computer since CP/M days...

    Actually, some of it might be of historical interest

  34. Encrypted mail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just get yourself a nice gmail account, and install Thunderbird with the enigma extension. Send encrypted mails to it. Keep your decryption key private. Won't be accessible without the key anyway.
    Also, web based private stuff usually is an oxymoron but the security of web based storage is worth the exposure.

    Stop using work e-mail for anything unrelated to work. At the very least, use outlook but store config info for your private e-mail address on it also.

  35. Home Net by Frightened_Turtle · · Score: 1

    I never left personal files or data on the computers at work. I would shunt anything personal to a server I had running at home. For any personal journal writing or private data, I would SSH into the server and create it there. I went to great pains to ensure that I left nothing personal or private on the company's property.

    I'm not comfortable storing sensitive personal information off site with some online service. My preference is to store important data in a small RAID I set up in a fireproof area in my basement. Come tornado or conflagration, my data will still be accessible after doing a little digging with a backhoe. If the server was still alive, I could retrieve it wirelessly!

    If I really wanted off site storage, I would rather put it in a relative's house. They get use of a really good computer, and I have an off site server where I can mirror important files.

    --


    Whew! This water sure is cold!
  36. Use Gmail by dollarwizard · · Score: 1

    For any file up to 20 mb, you can create email drafts in Gmail and attach the files you want to save. Have the subject of the email be the name of the file you're saving to it. Then save it as a draft (don't send it to anybody).

  37. It's worse after you die? by Last_Available_Usern · · Score: 1

    They can already read your data and email now. Why is it more embarrassing for them to read the stuff after you die than before?

  38. Next on Ask Slashdot: What beverage to drink? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In deciding what beverage to drink on this warm summer day, I must ask the Slashdot community this fairly obvious "no-duh" question in order to get maximum return of "nothing but obvious choices" each unique to the poster while completely wasting everyone's time.

  39. The answer is simple by BigBadBus · · Score: 1

    Don't use your work email for private and personal stuff. D'oh!

  40. Discretion? by Xacid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm kind of surprised I haven't seen any comments on the bigger issue - the IT folks entrusted with this data who let data leak (or at least rumors of the content). As a system admin - if you're at that level you're already not trustworthy enough to keep that postion and would probably be reassigned depending on the severity. Understandably if it's something illegal then it needs to be report it but even still - discretion is still required. It's no one else's damned business.

    Compare this to your HR person - would you like them to spill your SSN randomly here and there? Just because the guy is dead doesn't mean his data requires less care.

    Anywho - as far as technical solutions 1) don't put personal stuff on a work computer, 2) even some web space and an ftp account should be nearly sufficient if you just need a place to store files remotely that isn't easily accessible.

    1. Re:Discretion? by SaDan · · Score: 1

      This is spot on. Mod this up to +10.

    2. Re:Discretion? by JumpDrive · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In our work area, what has happened is information has gone from the CEO to a VP and then to everyone else. Then IT gets blamed for the rumor.
      First time it happened, I was thinking "Do you think I'm a dumbshit", second time it happened I realized IT was going to be blamed for their knitting circle talk.
      After that I just started pretending I don't see it.
      But if it ever something seriously illegal, I'll tell law enforcement.
      Other than that I don't want to add to the knitting circle talk.

    3. Re:Discretion? by fermion · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I would have to respectfully, and completely, disagree. Work computers are for work. The company is responsible for the machine, and to some extent what is done with it. If the IT staff let a rumor fly, it may well have been strategic to remind the staff that what is on their computer is not private.

      Given the naivety of the question, it is clear such a reminder was justified. The question implied that no one knows exactly what was on the machine, porn, naked pictures of the spouse, naked pictures of a lover, love notes between the spouse and the lover, plans for a jewelry heist, communications with a wetware person to terminate the spouse or lover? Who knows. The content is not the issue. It is that a company-public computer may have extensively used for something that could be embarrassing to some people.

      As far as the comparison to HR, that is faulty. Again, the post strongly indicated that no details were released. A better comparison would be HR telling staf that person was no longer employed because they were in jail. This may be done so the staff know that a round of layoffs is not happening.

      --
      "She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
    4. Re:Discretion? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      He may be your sysadmin, but he ain't no priest of nobody.

    5. Re:Discretion? by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

      You haven't seen many comments about it because there aren't enough morally perfect IT people to go around. Even some priests blab about what they've heard in confessionals and that's like an express ticket to Hell. Obviously, the IT people shouldn't be blabbing but they're human beings so they'll blab eventually. Maybe only amongst themselves but someone will overhear and then the grapevine takes over. I worked for a company where the HR person was a horrible gossip. She eventually got fired for it but she was there for a couple of years before the hammer finally came down.

    6. Re:Discretion? by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I'm kind of surprised I haven't seen any comments on the bigger issue - the IT folks entrusted with this data who let data leak (or at least rumors of the content).

      Well it might just be a rumor that the IT people leaked stuff.

      Of course, IT people should be discreet and generally make efforts to keep personal stuff confidential. Still, this quote is striking:

      I have personal stuff in Outlook folders that I would not want someone in IT to see...

      This is just a terrible idea. IT departments will often have policies where anything stored on their computers or passing through their networks will not be considered "private". It will be monitored, and perhaps shared with HR or your boss. Right or wrong, that's the way it is for many businesses.

      I worked at a company where, if we saw an email containing evidence of illegal or unethical behavior on the part of the employee, we were required to go to HR and often then asked to send the information to that person's boss. That was company policy. We also had software that monitored all web activity, and would periodically be asked to send reports on employee usage to managers. The reports included approximations on how long each individual was browsing the Internet as well as which sites they were visiting.

      I would constantly tell people "Don't store anything on your computer or send anything through company email that you wouldn't want shared with both me and your boss."

    7. Re:Discretion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my experience the HR people are the top source for data leakage in any organization. They love to gossip and they know what everyone is up to. To make it worse, they often strategically start rumors to serve management interests.

    8. Re:Discretion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compare this to your HR person - would you like them to spill your SSN randomly here and there?

      They do anyway. HR people cannot be trusted with SSNs. They leak them to insurance companies, they leak them to the cleaning crew, they leak them when they lose their laptops, they leak them up the wazoo.

    9. Re:Discretion? by multiplexo · · Score: 1

      I'm kind of surprised I haven't seen any comments on the bigger issue - the IT folks entrusted with this data who let data leak (or at least rumors of the content). As a system admin - if you're at that level you're already not trustworthy enough to keep that postion and would probably be reassigned depending on the severity. Understandably if it's something illegal then it needs to be report it but even still - discretion is still required. It's no one else's damned business.

      No kidding. That sort of thing is corrosive, so corrosive that anyone in IT who even jokes about reading user e-mail or looking at user files should be smacked upside the head. The company I used to work for let users know that everything on their computer belonged to the company, we also let them know that we weren't going to look at it unless we absolutely had to and it was IT policy that anyone who snooped around on a user's computer without permission and supervision would be immediately fired. The few times we had problems with users, mostly guys who were hitting a lot of porn sites, which was being caught and logged by the proxy server it was locked down in IT and the only people we talked to about it were the HR department and the employee's supervisor, and gossiping about it, even within IT, was strictly verboten.

      --
      cheap labor conservatives - they want to keep you hungry enough to be thankful for minimum wage.
  41. LARTing is in order. by couchslug · · Score: 1

    Take the personal shit off, now, because you don''t need it there. Backup and store elsewhere.

    Don't put anything but business correspondence on business systems, and don't put anything unencrypted on email you don't want to see on 4chan.

    I don't use my workplace email. I use a webmail address so my correspondence follows me if I leave. Not an option for everyone, but nice so you can't get locked out by accident or intent. All my browsing at work is done using Firefox Portable, copied to USB key, and archived at home.

    --
    "This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
  42. Beating dead horse... by drumcat · · Score: 1

    "I have personal stuff in Outlook folders that I would not want someone in IT to see..." Stored AT your IT department. As 100 people here have said, solve that problem first.

    1. Re:Beating dead horse... by drumcat · · Score: 1

      When you're done with that, whichever program or setup you choose, get a good password. Do something you remember well, like your name. Then use the key to the upper-right of that key... so if your name was Jacque Strappe, you drop the space, and it's iwf284e65w--4 or something like that. Cool? Now go hide your blackmail stuff on a key. Use AES. If you have a mac, use knox.

  43. Why do you care? by h3llfish · · Score: 1

    You'll be dead, after all. We are all food for worms. Get over it.

    1. Re:Why do you care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does anyone buy life insurance? It's the same reason. We care today about what happens after we die, even if we are certain we wont exist to care then.

    2. Re:Why do you care? by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      "Why does anyone buy life insurance? "

      For backing mortgage?

      Ok, ok you want to assure the future of your family balh, blah ...

  44. SwissDisk by benmcollins13 · · Score: 1

    Check out http://www.swissdisk.com/ (Guilty, I started the company many years ago, but I don't own it anymore, just maintain the servers).

    1. Re:SwissDisk by drumcat · · Score: 1

      "Secure File Sharing - Using our "Temporary URLs" feature, you can ahare any file on your SwissDisk without giving access to your whole filesystem. You can designate how many days the Temporary URL can be used. You can even track how many times files have been downloaded." If they tell you to ahare stuff, I'm not sure I'd trust them. Miss one keystroke and your data is vapor. You better be better than that.

  45. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This really isnt anything new or a new idea, IIRC M$ were planning on creating a totally DB based filing system, just like the one exchange uses. But they created sharepoint...
    File duplicate (at a data level) was removed due to the referencing nature..

  46. Private Work Email? by leeosenton · · Score: 1

    Why would anyone think a corporate Outlook account wasn't being monitored by admins?

  47. personal email by fermion · · Score: 1
    I only do work stuff on work email. I have personal emails accounts to do personal stuff, all web based. Many people use gmail for this. It is not private, and after one dies it might not go away, but unless one is important no one will really have a reason to look at it. Certainly your local sys admins will not have access to it, unless they are just nosy and can get your passwords, but that is an issue with any solution, which is why the paranoid don't even use company machines for personal business.

    Apple has me.com which provides email and storage for $100 a year. Many people balk at the price and use the free servers of their work email, but the repercussions of that is the reason for the question. It is plug and play and friendly to the non-techie, with password protected space for all the things you describe. For about the same price, or a little less, you can get a shared server account, bluehost, terrabyte, dreamhost are the companies I have dealt with, set up a personal domain, and host your email, save files, do pretty much whatever. They will generally give you much more storage space and allow ssh access.

    I cannot imagine what someone is selling you $400 a year. Probably setting up and hosting an exchange server. A quick google search for MS Exchange hosting still seems to be les than $100 a year for small accounts.

    I am not sure if there is an in between for the free gmail and google docs account and the $100 a year shared server account, or if all this useless because Exchange is the only solution. In any case, $400 seems way too much.

    --
    "She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
  48. Web-Based Storage by ZippySquirrel · · Score: 1

    The lesson here is: Your work email isn't yours. We are constantly re-educating users here at work that the email isn't their personal property. It belongs to the company, and you should be aware of the fact that at any time, without you being aware of it, members of the IT could be reading your email. Generally speaking, we don't unless there is cause (instructed to by Management / HR as part of an investigation, your request, etc) but the possibity exists. I always advise people that if you don't want it shouted across the room for all to hear, don't put it in an email. Corporate email is NOT private, at least not within the company. As for storage, if it's web-based, you in theory have the same problem. An admin for the storage company would be able to access your data etc, in case of file ownership issues, or a court order, etc. The only truly secure way to store your files (and it would be an absolute pain) would be to copy them to an encrypted harddrive, and then physically store that drive in a safe / security deposit box. And that doesn't take into account the possibility of theft / equipment damage.

    1. Re:Web-Based Storage by stdarg · · Score: 1

      I applaud people who push the limits in using corporate email for their own private use. Whether "Your work email isn't yours" or not is a question for society, not you (no offense). These guys are pushing it in a direction I like. I think the world would be better if individuality and privacy were allowed to be practiced a bit more openly in corporations, which are really just a way to organize team work for the benefit of society.

    2. Re:Web-Based Storage by ZippySquirrel · · Score: 1

      None taken. As an IT professional, I don't mind (And completely expect people) to use their email for the occasional personal purposes. But most places (including where I work), have a policy you have to sign when hiring stating something to the effect of the company owns the email, can read it at any time, etc. Are we going to constantly read your email? Hell no.. I don't have that kind of time. And we won't without cause (say, you ask us to, HR launches an investigation, court order). But you need to be aware that the potential exists, and in essence, it's not private, as access is not restricted to you only. Unlike ISP email, where you are paying to have the address (in a roundabout way), at work, they're paying you to keep the mailbox.

  49. Why by koan · · Score: 1

    Why do you have things on your computer that you don't want people to see, and they aren't encrypted or otherwise protected?

    Sorry just can't get past that question.

    --
    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
  50. Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The greatest WTF!? when the NSA decrypts their insurance file and finds your personal stuff there

  51. Windows Home Server by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 2, Funny

    I recommend Windows Home Server. Of course, it integrates perfectly with your Windows machines (since you're running Outlook you have at least one) and is the best backup and recovery solution I've been able to find for home use (you can roll back individual files). You can have folders mirrored on different drives, and you can control who has access to what folders.

    Additionally, through the magic of dynamic DNS you can access your files through the Internet. You get a subdomain off homeserver.com which allows you to check the status of the server, upload or download photos, and if you have expensive enough versions of Windows on your machines at home you can control them via Remote Access.

    I've used other NAS solutions for years at home, and I don't regret switching to WHS at all. FYI, I built my own server and installed WHS myself - I didn't buy one off the shelf, though you certainly could if you're not into building computers.

  52. SpiderOak.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I use spideroak.com as it is convenient, multiplatform, synchronizes across machines, provides a backup and is secure through encryption on my local machine - and it is free.

  53. Why write it in the first place? by mattwrock · · Score: 1

    I would understand if you were keeping for posterity, but why write if you don't want it known? If they are private thoughts, keep them in your head. I believe everybody has some kind of wild, crazy idea that they don't want to share. That's why mine is in my head. Someday, when I don't have to worry about what others think about me to make money, I might share. These thoughts that you write would be very valuable to your family and others in the future. Historical correspondence has been a great way to understand WHY people did what they did. I suggest you leave it there.

    --
    "Ones and zeros were everywhere. I even think I saw a two!" - Bender
  54. Don't be so naiive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have zero privacy at work. Don't do anything embarrassing on their computers.

  55. Wuala by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can also try Wuala ( www.wuala.com ).
    It's encrypted :)

  56. Good God, only use work email for work! by stevegee58 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I only exchange emails with my wife and friends using my gmail account.

    Clean house in your work email and stop doing that.

    1. Re:Good God, only use work email for work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what I used to do before my company started blocking access to all non-work email. Forced to choose between being cut off from the outside world for 8+ hours per day or using my work email for personal messages, I chose the latter.

    2. Re:Good God, only use work email for work! by Kenshin · · Score: 1

      Get a smartphone. Even the most budget models have e-mail access.

      --

      Does it make you happy you're so strange?

  57. E-Mail = Hello World! by bluhatter · · Score: 1

    General rule of thumb: Never send anything in E-Mail that you don't want to appear on the front page of a newspaper the next day.

    E-Mail is stored unencrypted on several servers along its path, and due to some weird legislation is required to be stored that way for several years ( in case authorities "need to know" what you said ). Also, any one of those server's administrators could be bored and have bad ethical standards.

    If you are sending unencrypted personal E-Mail from work, there is no doubt that your employers can and probably do read some of your mail.

    --


    bluHatter
  58. Smart Phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a Smart Phones, data plan and VPN to your home server.

  59. I have the reverse problem... by MikeDaSpike · · Score: 1

    When I die I want everyone to be able to see what the hell I was doing when they weren't around. Hiding yourself after you die is just fucking pointless, you're dead. You no longer care (or do anything else).

    Probably you want your wife to be able to get those mails and pictures. Or your family might at last figure out why you were so could to them after they find out that you knew that they were a S&M troupe that made special shows every friday night and left you out of it.

    Yeah my life is kind of complicated.

  60. Amazon S3 + JungleDisk by ILuvSP · · Score: 1

    Works great. Can be encrypted on the client so no one can access it. Including you if you lose your keys. Rates are reasonable...usually a few dollars a month. I backup all my photos, videos, documents, etc... this way.

  61. Expandrive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can map network drives via SSH using Expandrive. Works well for me when I need to connect to my server at home.

    You could host a separate .pst on the remote drive for your outlook folders.

  62. PogoPlug by tagno25 · · Score: 1

    With PogoPlug, you control your file storage. If you buy a Sandisk Freeagent Dockstar then you get a free lifetime subscription.

  63. Strato HiDrive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I pay 9$ a month for 500GB online storage from Strato called HiDrive.

    Accessible via HTTP(S)/RSYNC/WebDAV/(S)FTP/SSH/VPN/basically everything.

    Plus you can do loads of cool things like have multiple users with public and private areas, create a one-time use link for another user or non-user to a certain file that expires after one day after creation... Same as you can have them mail you a hard drive (NTFS) - you fill up the drive and send it back and instantly have everything online...

  64. Carbonite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    www.carbonite.com Carbonite is a software that I use to backup my personal files online. Authentication is through email and password. It backs it up online and only I can access it.

  65. Pre-emption. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1
    Rule: Do not write down stuff you don't ever want anyone to read.
    (See U.S. Military vs. Wikileaks current events.)

    Corollary: Don't save porn/ you don't ever want people to find.

    --
    It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
  66. How about old fashioned measures? by mlts · · Score: 1

    Instead of using Web based measures, what about a cryptographic token and TrueCrypt? This way, someone had to have the token, know the token's password, and have the TC passphrase and volume. If someone guesses the passphrase on the token too many times, it goes boom and there will be no access for anyone, which may be what is wanted.

    Another option is to build a custom file server with Windows Server 2008 or Windows Server 2008 R2, enable TPM + PIN + USB flash drive, and use BitLocker. This way, for someone to bypass the file access, they will need an item, a passphrase, and to not have altered the computer (and some computers can be configured to have the TPM to drop all keys if the case is opened.) This way, data can physically reside on a decently secure machine.

  67. Plausible deniability harder to achieve than that by e065c8515d206cb0e190 · · Score: 1

    There are several articles on the topic, but I'll just link Schneier: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/07/truecrypts_deni.html

  68. You are an idiot by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

    If you are storing personal data on the company mail server you are an idiot. If you are accessing personal data from a company machine that is not much better.

  69. D-Day - 90 by westlake · · Score: 1

    Best would be a service with a dead-man's switch, so that if I don't access it in, say, three months, it auto-purges. Any thoughts?"

    Don't leave the country.

    Don't let an auto crash leave you in a coma.

    Don't be trapped on the Gulf Coast in hurricane season.

    Dead doesn't always mean dead-dead. It can mean nothing more than that you or your files have become temporarily inaccessible.

  70. Try Wuala by AlienBrain · · Score: 1

    Wuala has a java based client that links to local file folders when it's running. It's encrypted on your computer before being stored over the network, so only you can decrypt everything. And if needed you can access things through their website too. Lots of sharing options also if you wanted to. It's worth checking out. Wuala.com

  71. photos of the kids by gandhi_2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    photos of the kids

    If you are afraid IT will see pictures of your kids, either you got ugly kids or you took the wrong kinda pictures.

    1. Re:photos of the kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you've got wrong people in IT.

  72. the four basics of privacy at work by v1 · · Score: 1

    1) do not store anything private on company hardware, not on your pc on your desk, not on your laptop you take home, not on your blackberry. Doesn't matter if you encrypt or not. Do not do it. You have no right to privacy when using company hardware.

    2) regardless of where you store your private data, do not access it from company hardware, at home or at work. No form of security is effective if you're accessing it from hardware you do not control. Clearing cookies/history or using a "portable private browser" or even a live CD doesn't mean jack. You have no right to privacy when using company hardware.

    3) if you bring your laptop/smartphone to work and access offsite storage, use strong encryption. IMAP with SSL or HTTPS at the very least. "Company hardware" includes their routers and switches, do not pass unencrypted personal information through their hardware. You have no right to privacy when using company hardware.

    Some companies may have specific rules against using this option. Check with your BofH. Many companies don't allow information entering/leaving their establishment if they can't monitor it, to protect their IP. In those cases, accessing personal information from work may simply not be possible. See Rule #4.

    4) don't think you're clever. Don't use the pc on your desktop to RDC to your computer and home to access personal email, or do some other obfuscated method to try to cheat rules 1-3. The BofH is almost certainly more clever than you. You have no right to privacy when using company hardware.

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  73. Don't work at that company by hawguy · · Score: 1
    Don't work at that company until they get some more professional IT staff.

    and word is getting around that the admins who were given access to his Outlook account have found personal things that are embarrassing at best

    If any of my IT admins revealed any personal information about a mailbox they'd been given access to, they'd be looking for a new job right now. If they can't stop blabbing about someone's sex-change operation, why should I think that they can keep any confidential business data a secret?

    1. Re:Don't work at that company by leamanc · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points, I'd +1 you.

      It's well known that sysadmins or mail server admins can peek into employee mailboxes when needed. More than likely, it's in the corporate policy handbook. It happens often at the request of HR or the legal department. So no surprises there.

      But a sysadmin or mail admin who talks about doing it--regardless of why they are doing it--is freakin' dense in the head. Not only are they causing a PR nightmare for the already oft-despised IT department ("All those guys do is sit around and spy on us!"), they are losing the trust of HR, legal, the CIO, or whoever else asked them to do it. I would assume they asked them to perform the task with the expectation of utmost confidence. Do they expect anyone to ever trust them again?

      I've been put in the position of having to look at the mailboxes of both active users and employees who have left the company, but it will only be discussed with the person who had the authority to request it...and my boss, but only if he asks. Gaining people's confidence and trust is very, very hard in IT, and it is blown very easily.

      All that said, how can the guy asking the question expect any kind of security or secrecy with an Outlook server (or any other server) he doesn't host or administer?

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  74. A couple months deadswitch??? by No-Cool-Nickname · · Score: 0

    In a couple months, I will copy all your personal data to a public open FTP, photoshop the pics of your family to something inexplicably horrible and embarrassing and sold any other personal information to the highest bidder.

    STOP PUTTING YOUR PERSONAL CRAP ON THE COMPANY'S EMAIL.

  75. SpiderOak maybe? by NoBozo99 · · Score: 1
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  76. Use the Cloud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not just use Google, Microsoft or Yahoo? The all provide massive storage for emails. Google has Picasa, Yahoo has Flickr, Microsoft has ??. Anyway why not keep all of your stuff in the cloud?

  77. TrueCrypt container + any *nix server by Voxxel · · Score: 1

    Make a TrueCrypt container and store it anywhere in the world on an SSH-enabled server. Pick up a copy of ExpanDrive to mount the TC store over SSH as a drive letter if you are using Windows.

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  78. LA[MP]P+openssl by burnin1965 · · Score: 1

    A simple PHP application running on a LAMP or LAPP server can easily be created to upload files and encrypt them with a custom SSL certificate using openssl. I did a demo for something very similar for a client.

    Of course there are many avenues of risk between the upload to encryption path and the decryption to download path. Some of the risk can be reduced by choosing the right hosting method.

    The cheapest solution would be free web hosting for the application but I am not sure they will have an SSL connection available for the hosted application. A better solution would be to set up a private server on your home broadband connection to host the application and you could use a self signed SSL certificate.

    But either way you still have some risk at your end of the SSL encryption due to man in the middle attacks by your IT group or they can easily monitor all file activity at your PC after the encryption.

    As others have noted if you really don't want the information to get out then don't store it on a public server and don't use equipment at work to use or transfer the information. Other than that caveat there are some inexpensive options that can provide a significant level of protection.

  79. Use gmail by geekoid · · Score: 1

    for your personal stuff, not the companies email.

    Put your password in your will.

    Done. Of course, if it's just general run of the miles pictures and emails, I doubt anyone cares.

    If you have stuff that you want to keep secure for other reasons, then don't use company anything ever to keep it secure. If you also want it to not get to yuor wife for some reason, I suggest you talk to your wife more.

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  80. Encrypt it and post it anywhere? by edmicman · · Score: 1

    Dropbox or any other sort of remote file storage or web server, with an encrypted file(s)? Doesn't TrueCrypt do something like that?

  81. I'm just glad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That Sylvia Plath and any number of other former writers and thinkers didn't have this idea. Imagine if they had constructed boxes that would automatically burn their contents if the right combination wasn't entered every three days. What a horrible loss.

  82. A suggestion or two by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My dad once gave me great advice about dealing with stuff at the office. He said, "You might think that, you may even say it, but for goodness sake don't write it down." Basically, if you don't want your IT guy or boss to know about something, don't put it on the company's computer. IT can read your e-mail whenever they want, it's not safe now and it's not safe when you leave/die. Same for on-line storage. Even if you have a "kill switch" to delete this stuff down the road, people have backups. You can't stop that with on-line or work.

    What you should do is keep your work machine clean and make your own backups at home. If you have anything really personal, set up a safety deposit box or something similar with your bank. Make manual backups at home and store them in the box. Or, if you must use on-line storage, encrypt the files before they leave your computer.

  83. tinfoil hat? by WillyWanker · · Score: 1

    I think you're being paranoid. Keep your personal stuff separate from your work stuff. Problem solved.

    If you really need some kind of crypto-storage why not use a USB key with something like TruCrypt? Putting stuff on a remote web server isn't really my idea of privacy.

    But I still have to wonder what's so secret that you need to sequester it away. Your child porn collection or some equally unsavory and/or illegal content???

  84. When you're dead . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you're dead you won't care.

    If you think it will bother your survivors, then perhaps you should re-think what you keep in the first place.

  85. Work email accounts are for work email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Are we still discussing this today? Use your work email for work only. If you don't want it printed and put on the office wall, email from 1) the web using hotmail/gmail/yahoomail/etc. 2) use your personal cell phone 3) use a portable client on a usb drive to send via your personal account. 3) Connect to a pc at your home to send email via logmein/etc. By encrypting you are just going to get management and the IT admins pissed. I tell my users, that if they type it on a company computer then it belongs to the company. If you don't agree, you need to talk to your manager and get the "official" word.

  86. How about a NAS? by Artifex33 · · Score: 1

    You could buy one of the simple Network Access Storage machines that sits on your home network. Most of them have a dynamic DNS service that comes with the purchase so that you can access your stored files from anywhere over https.

    Evernote might be another good choice. You can store and access just about anything, and edit it on your phone with android or iOS.

  87. Wuala by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.wuala.com/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMfp4jTaqR4&feature=player_embedded

  88. You need a Porn Buddy by zerosomething · · Score: 2, Funny

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9gnexnnIDc

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  89. Simple by Lank · · Score: 1

    Don't die.

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  90. TL;DR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TL;DR
    So they made a Dung Beetle

  91. SpiderOak by Farlan · · Score: 1

    I can recommend SpiderOak. It is a fully encrypted web storage service, and the first 2GB are free! then its $10 a month for the first 100GB. I don't think you can beat that.

  92. +1 Truecrypt by Joce640k · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Mod parent up.

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  93. oxymoron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    web-based private storage is an oxymoron. The privacy of anything that is actually written down is a complete illusion. If you really don't want anyone else to know, do not write it down or say it, period. But never fool yourself that anything stored in an computer is private. Anything stored to a computer hooked to the internet being private....that's just crazy talk. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is trying to sell you something.

  94. NAS by DogDude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You could just put a NAS in a closet and use that. You'd have 100% control, and you could do it for $0 if you use something like FreeNas.

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  95. That would be telling, or, "Reversible obscurity" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have some storage set up, and not in the obvious places, with a dead man's switch such that it deliberately auto-publishes, loudly and reliably, all manner of things that people living and dead might wish it wouldn't.

    Call it an insurance policy. A proactive one.

  96. you wont care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you wont care, you'll be dead.

  97. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try Wuala (http://wua.la). I like them because data is encrypted on the pc before being sent out to the web (unlike DropBox) so no one but you can decrypt it. It has some other interesting features, although it is not as polished as DropBox. Works on Linux too.

  98. Encrypt *and* change mail host, BOTH. by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    I have personal stuff in Outlook folders that I would not want someone in IT to see if I suddenly dropped dead: emails to the wife, photos of the kids, that kind of thing.

    These are emails on the company's IMAP server? Ok, first off, WTF are they doing on there? Delete them.

    Ok, but let's assume you're talking about emails on your own IMAP server. IT still shouldn't be able to read them (even though you've lazily told your email client the login credentials) because IT doesn't know your PGP passphrase. And emails between a wife and husband? Yeah, that's private (as in: nobody else's business) so naturally of course they're encrypted, and since you have actually met your wife in person (I assume) you have cross-signed each other's keys without even having to use the WoT. This is one of those cases where secure communications is just plain easy.

    Now you still have the problem that since you're doing this on a work machine, it's possible that they do know your passphrase since they keylog, but I don't think that's a threat you're trying to defend against. (I don't blame you.) But seriously, the emails should be encrypted. That's just basic common sense.

    Beyond that, get an account at linode (I think that's the answer to the question you were really asking) for your email server. It costs considerably less than $400/year and you can deadman it or do anything else if you want to. But first, encrypting your email is both higher priority and easier than this part, so do the easy+smart thing first, before you spend time and money on your hosting issue.

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  99. DIY approach: webhosting + sshfs + Truecrypt by Tarquin+Sidebottom · · Score: 1

    1. Find yourself a web hosting provider that allows SSH login.
    2. Use sshfs to mount your web-hosting space as a drive.
    3. Use Truecrypt (or other) to run an encrypted file container on your web-hosting space.

  100. Google Docs by theNAM666 · · Score: 1

    100GB is $30/yr.

    Any of a number of solutions allow access as folders (Gladinet). ssh proxy via port 80 on an external machine, and you're done.

  101. DIY by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Just buy some hosting space ( like at bluehost, or pair, for example ) and either use their built in file services or write your own and run it there.

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  102. Suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try SDF

  103. My two cents. by istvaan · · Score: 2, Informative

    My thoughts are similar to those which have already been posted, but here's my two cents anyways.

    1.) Do something about that IT staff. Their behavior is unprofessional at best, borderline illegal at worst. As Network and Systems Administrators, we essentially have the "keys to the kingdom." As such, it is our responsibility to exercise professionalism and discretion at all times. We are entrusted with this data -- employee data, customer data, what-have-you -- because it needs to be managed, secured, transported, and we know how to do that. When I ponder this, it sometimes brings to mind a line from Angels & Demons: "Be delicate with our treasures." If management has asked that the late co-worker's email be opened and archived, and that email happens to contain pictures of him in a tutu and a snorkel dancing hip-deep in a lake, and IT happens to see these photos, it is their responsibility to maintain their professionalism, and to say nothing about it.

    2.) Do not, for any reason, store personal data on company resources. Period. Company resources belong to the company, and, as such, the company has the right to inspect any and all data which those resources may contain. My personal data on my laptop, and my personal mail (which sits on an IMAP server which I administer and to which I have physical access) are backed up to DVD every quarter, and those DVDs are placed in an envelope in a sealed plastic bag - along with a hardcopy of my password spreadsheet - in a safe-deposit box. My Will clearly states who gets access to that box if I should happen to fall under a bus, as does the paperwork at the institution which houses the box. It's not the fanciest solution, but it's effective, and I like it.

  104. Just use your phone by Romario77 · · Score: 1

    The phones now allow to keep a lot of data and keep records and all those things can't be viewed by the company unless you have a company phone. This way no one from work would even try to look into what was there. Your phone internet connection would be separate from work as well, so they can't monitor and disable websites. At my work almost all email / chat / data exchange sites are locked out anyway, so that would be the only option.

  105. I have personal stuff in Outlook by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Begs the question, "why?" That was mistake 1.

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  106. Delete? by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

    Just delete the friggin' e-mails you don't want anyone to see when you're dead. Is that so hard? What, you want to keep a detailed record of everything - for yourself? Is that narcissism?

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    1. Re:Delete? by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      Won't do any good if they are archiving emails.

      I hounded my family for months to stop sending me anything at work, including my wife.

      It will never go away, it is forever archived on tape once it hits the mailserver.

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    2. Re:Delete? by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      and anyway, you can't care what people think about you when you're dead. Right?

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  107. Dropbox by Noitatsidem · · Score: 1

    Dropbox is amazing. I'd highly recommend it.

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  108. Encryption by fluch · · Score: 1

    Ok, I didn't get through any of the posts here (I'm far to drunk at the moment and I am sure someone else said it already; and this does NOT justify a "+1 insightfull") but just encrypt your records wit GPG or any similar product and a private key only you know ... and soon as you die NOBODY else will have access to it.

    Simple as that...

  109. drop it like it's hot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    dropbox

  110. Drop.io by Archimagus · · Score: 1

    Drop.io is a good platform. It can be used for either personal storage or for sharing files. As far as I can tell it's secure (though I have not fully verified). The free version you can have up to 100mb per drop, or there are paid versions with more storage. And they do have a "dead mans switch" that you can set the time limit on (up to 1 year).

  111. Who cares. by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    You'll be dead.

  112. Tarsnap by alonz · · Score: 1

    Tarsnap (http://www.tarsnap.com) positions itself as an “online backup for paranoids”, but should be easily usable for simple web-based storage.

  113. The ethics of system administration by FoolishOwl · · Score: 1

    That's an excellent point. Here is an excerpt from the SAGE System Administrators' Code of Ethics:

    Privacy

            * I will access private information on computer systems only when it is necessary in the course of my technical duties. I will maintain and protect the confidentiality of any information to which I may have access, regardless of the method by which I came into knowledge of it.

  114. Keep personal stuff on personal computers.. by dj-nix · · Score: 1

    Speaking as someone who works in IT, I would like to remond you that IT reports to business, and there are all sorts of (legal) reasons why business can order IT to inspect your company owned PC and company owned email account. If you have private information on a work PC, you shouldn't. If you send private mail through a work email account you shouldn't. If you use a work telephone for private calls, you shouldn't. It is unethical on your behalf to use work resources for private business and you should have no expectation of privacy.
    To answer the second part of your question, you can easily use truecrypt, GPG or any other encryption program to store data on PC (that hopefully you own) and as long as you use a decent passphrase it would be very difficult for anyone to access should you die. Putting this on a $15 per month VPS is an excercise for the reader...

    1. Re:Keep personal stuff on personal computers.. by blair1q · · Score: 1

      It is unethical on your behalf to use work resources for private business

      Actually it's not, if using those resources doesn't cost the company anything. It may still be against company policy, but that's a contractual problem, not an ethical one.

      It is unethical to make the company pay for your time to do those things, though. To the point that it's criminal.

      So get back to work.

    2. Re:Keep personal stuff on personal computers.. by afidel · · Score: 1

      I'm salaried TYVM and get all my projects done on time even if it means working 12-16 hours a day like I have been for the last 4 weeks. Vacation next week can't get here soon enough.

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  115. Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use Truecrypt to encrypt everything you don't want public, and put in in a paid online storage account that auto-charges your debit/credit card monthly. Once you pass and the credit/debit accounts close, your data will be deleted.

  116. If it is about your image, change your view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once you are dead, you will be the first person to care nothing about what people think of you. If the moment you died, people thought that you were a rapist or a murderer, or a secret member of the Bush / Cheney infrastructure. Trust me, you will not give a damn, because your consciousness simply wont exist. However, if you have stuff that can cause your family any worry, then destroy it now. Or make sure you explain or distort the facts enough that your family is not troubled by what you have written.

    Worrying about your reputation in the time after your death is the stupidest thing to do.
    Thinking men sacrifice their lives to save others.
    Only fools sacrifice their lives for "glory" and "honor".

  117. Strongspace + Trucrypt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously? Is it that hard? If you want to pay a company like hushmail.com they will host PGP email for you with a file upload option (disclaimer: those guys have rolled over twice for the US feds, despite being a Canadian company - but if you just want to keep work out of it, that'll work). Those guys or a competing service will offer IMAP access as well, if you want everything to be available in one email client (though who knows what crap Windows caches, or any other OS for that matter, whole hard drive encryption is the only sane scheme if you truly need to keep folks out at all costs).

    According to your question, all you need is a small Trucrypt volume that you stick up on Strongspace or similar free hosting service, honestly.

    And the dude is dead, it is truly unprofessional to reveal anything on his machine to anyone but a superior that actually needs to know about something in particular. Regardless of that, who cares what people think of you once your meatsack is rotting in the ground or ashes? Do they somehow have some influence in his survivors' lives? Beyond life insurance I seriously doubt they do.

  118. Quit now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One word: Quit

    If CEO, VPs, whatever dumbasses can't keep quiet about personal matters, you'll experience even worse quite soon in that workplace. There's nobody else to limit them when the dumbasses are at the top, so it can only get worse.

    A boss isn't a boss when they're spreading rumors about employees, especially dead ones. These morons lack the maturity to have those positions they currently have. They'll eventually screw up or screw you over..

    Probably, they should've just nuked that Outlook file and have enough confidence in the rest of workforce to cope. These bozos have no clue. They could've even outsourced the dirty work. This is just plain incompetence, and they're going to blame someone else for it. For now, they're playing scare the employee, by attacking a dead guy. Wow, that's low..

    1. Re:Quit now by JumpDrive · · Score: 1

      Just as an FYI, while working with executive level of people I have found a large percentage who exhibit sociopathic behavior. So I'm not sure that just jumping to another job is going to do the trick.
      People like this often do rise to the top, sometimes they get in trouble and sometimes they don't. But if you are working a job like this you damn well better figure out who they are.
      Earlier in my career I met one who was flying to the top of the food chain. Through his badgering and insistence (manipulation) on a job being done a certain way it led to the death of someone I knew. The interesting part was the way people around and knew the situation reacted. Some were down right pissed and others blamed the victim (Should have known this wasn't the right thing to do). I was on the pissed side.
      You never confront these people head on. You may crack their ego, but you never are going to get them to become more self aware. They are always going to blame others, if they recognize that there is any blame. I have actually seen people get sent to psychiatrict counseling ( go to counseling or lose your job), when it wasn't them that was in need of counseling. Their issues were perfectly sane, they just didn't recognize what they were dealing with.

      But this is just my 2 cents to try and make people more aware of the sharks in the water.

    2. Re:Quit now by Securityemo · · Score: 1

      "In a 1976 study anthropologist Jane M. Murphy, then at Harvard University, found that an isolated group of Yupik-speaking Inuits near the Bering Strait had a term (kunlangeta) they used to describe “a man who repeatedly lies and cheats and steals things and takes sexual advantage of many women—someone who does not pay attention to reprimands and who is always being brought to the elders for punishment.” When Murphy asked an Inuit what the group would typically do with a kunlangeta, he replied, “Somebody would have pushed him off the ice when nobody else was looking.”"

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    3. Re:Quit now by JumpDrive · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but with global warming and all, you know how rare ice is becoming?

  119. Fire that system adminstrator. by FaxeTheCat · · Score: 1

    The thing that struck me most about the posting was that the sysadmin who got access to the private email actually told others about private stuff he found there. This is extremely unprofessional, bordering on reason to fire the idiot. I have worked many years as a sysadmin and the first rule is: What you see as part of your job as a sysadmin, you should not talk about. That goes for company information as well as private information you get access to. To me, this is an absolute. If you cannot trust your sysadmin to keep his mouth shut, fire him.

  120. Just Give Up by thethibs · · Score: 1

    If you've got private stuff on company servers you're too dumb to use any of the solutions proposed here. You'll just screw things up and make things worse, like moving it all to the web.

    Just stop putting private stuff in public places, if you can.

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  121. Re:Plausible deniability harder to achieve than th by obarel · · Score: 1

    You don't need to break the system. The fact that there is "plausible deniability" built into the system means that when the police asks for "the other password as well, please" and you say "but officer, I never used the option", they're more likely NOT to believe you.

    If we're not talking about the police, then you don't need any plausible deniability - just say you forgot the password and be done with it.

  122. How about by rikkards · · Score: 1

    don't use work resources for personal use. QESBNED (Quite Easily Said But Not Easily Done)

    1. Re:How about by FlyingGuy · · Score: 1

      I call bullshit

      right here right now. If you can't figure out how to have a cellphone of your own that you use for personal calls / photographs / email etc. etc. then you are to stupid to be believed.

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    2. Re:How about by tftp · · Score: 1

      It was indeed difficult ... in 1980. You probably had access to a computer only at work. But today you are correct, it is much easier to carry your own computer in a pocket than to worry about encryption, IT and other such things.

      I have a couple of personal files on my work computer; one of them is the desktop background, and the rest are of a similar nature. If anyone wants to read the latest HRO catalog, I have a copy there.

  123. Call me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For $399/yr I'll provide you with a "reasonable" amount of encrypted storage that you can remotely access. The amount is negotiable, but I'm thinking 500GB to start for that price. I'll need a 5 yr contract or you'll need to pay some "setup fees." I won't have the encryption keys and you can place anything you like there. You'll get completely personal service.

    Please let me know if you are interested.

  124. Re:Why? pix of the wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    after you're dead your wife is single. who better to take care of her than an over paid it guy who already can decide if she's a betty or not? riight?

  125. Re:Plausible deniability harder to achieve than th by e065c8515d206cb0e190 · · Score: 1

    I disagree. Non cooperation can still strain your relationship with your employer. It's much safer to actually open the archive and say "see, here is my grocery list and some personal budget spreadsheets" than "no, I won't give you my password".

    And for the former to work, you need plausible deniability, and it's not that easy to prove. Even without having a formal proof, it would definitely look better if your Word/Excel recent documents were pointing to that grocery list / budget spreadsheet your pretend is the sole content of your encrypted archive.

  126. Use Encryption or SSH home! by Samulus+Maximus · · Score: 1

    Any website that allows file uploading will do, what you wanna do is encrypt the files using something like Truecrypt or 7zip. (I suggest 7zip, easier and better for storage) 7zip will allow you to encrypt all your files into a .7z archive with AES-256, just make sure you have a long passphrase (not password) and it'll be impossible for them to crack. Alternatively you can set up a old pc at home (or build one) and install Linux on it. Then you can ssh to the pc from work and keep all your private stuff on the pc at home. That way if you suddenly die all of your stuff is at home and they can't ssh into it.Any website that allows file uploading will do, what you wanna do is encrypt the files using something like Truecrypt or 7zip. (I suggest 7zip, easier and better for storage) 7zip will allow you to encrypt all your files into a .7z archive with AES-256, just make sure you have a long passphrase (not password) and it'll be impossible for them to crack. Alternatively you can set up a old pc at home (or build one) and install Linux on it. Then you can ssh to the pc from work and keep all your private stuff on the pc at home. That way if you suddenly die all of your stuff is at home and they can't ssh into it.

    1. Re:Use Encryption or SSH home! by Samulus+Maximus · · Score: 1

      lol oops, repeated my self twice.

  127. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this truecrypt seems useful and affordable. open source. Oracle?

  128. Evernote by e3m4n · · Score: 1

    what about Evernote? would that do what you are looking for?

  129. TrueCrypt volume on DropBox web service. by Domini · · Score: 1

    Either create a TrueCrypt or Encrypted DMG on a DropBox shared volume.

    Free for up to 2Gb. (should be plenty)

  130. Deadman cron job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Write a simple script to purge your personal documents folders.
    Schedule a cron job or similar to to prompt you daily for a password.
    If no password is provided, run the purge script(s).
    Be sure to never create backups, CDs, USBs, tapes, or anything offline.

    Side note: IANAL, but I' pretty sure that under Canadian law, anything on or passing through a Company machine is technically the property and responsibility of the Company.

  131. Assertion failed... by amn108 · · Score: 1

    ...near "web-based" and "private" being used in one and the same sentence :-)

  132. uhm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...What makes you think you have to DIE before someone in IT can read your email? ...What makes you think ANY web service is secure?

    Keep your personal shit out of your work environment if you don't want it seen.
    Keep your personal shit off the Internet if you don't want to share.

    As many have already said, install TrueCrypt on your home PC/Laptop, create a TC container on your drive and work in there when you want to write your journal, export/archive your email, or download your porn.
    Get a good portable hard drive, create one or more TrueCrypt containers and backup your PC TC files there.

    Buy your IT guys a pizza and be nice to them, cuz they've probably already seen your stuff and you will want then to like you.

  133. store encrypted on google Docs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google docs now allows you to upload files that are binary... not just word & spreadsheet files.
    This means that google docs will keep the file available online for you without any cost and accessible only through the google login authentication process.
    If the authentication process is compromised, your files will remain secure because you have them encrypted.

    For encryption you can use passphrase encryption (AES type) or private/public key encryption (like PGP/GnuPG).

    I prefer PGP for single file encryption as the files can be signed and the public key can be shared out for others to encrypt things to you without compromising existing encrypted files.

    Another option is to install ecryptfs... which provides a Private/ directory in your home folder. It is unencrypted while you are logged in... so it is dead simple to use. Once you logout the directory is locked again. You can move the key for this to a USB stick so that sysadmins will not be able to open with both your PC and USB in their possession. Keep the USB on your keychain so this doesn't happen when you die. To get ecryptfs going... you just run these two lines from the bash prompt:

          sudo apt-get install ecryptfs-utils
          ecryptfs-setup-private ... now you are done. All files in ~/Private/... directory will be encrypted when you leave the office.

    * the above solution is for a debiansh (ubuntu) install. If you are just running windows because it came free on your existing PC/laptop... then I highly advise you upgrade to an operating system with commercial grade security like Ubuntu. If you are running a default or inferior OS like windows... then you have a lot more to fear about securing your data then making sure it is encrypted. There is a statisticlly significant chance that your PC is already infected right now with a virus that may be cleaned out in a month or so when the patch is released (if ever). You should not do anything requiring privacy or using private information from a windows box and never use Internet Explorer due to its proprietary feature set.

  134. wuala by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try this:

    --> http://www.wuala.com/

  135. Don't use work PCs for personal "business" by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    Avoid the problem in the first place.

    If you must though, you could:

      - Keep your stuff on an encrypted USB stick or hard disk
      - SSH or VPN Home (See also OpenVPN and IPCop)
      - Buy some online storage from someone
      - Colo your own server

    and more...

  136. Web Based = Not Private by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm getting tired of seeing people using the Web Based / Private oxymoron. The only way it's private is if the data is encrypted and decrypted on the client, which isn't web based at all. If you upload your unencrypted private data anywhere, it is no longer private the instant it pops out of the secure socket connection on the other end.

  137. You're dead, what do you care? by tomhudson · · Score: 1
    You're dead. You're beyond embarrassment. If you're that worried about something that may come out when you're dead, think of how much worse it will be for you if it comes out now, while you're still above room temperature?

    But nobody cares. You're gay or lesbian? Good for you - most people don't care any more. You had a sex change? Good for you - most people don't care any more. You cheated on your wife? Nobody cares, you dirty rotten sack of sh*t! You're a pedophile? SOMEBODY ALREADY KNOWS! And they have an ax to grind, so you can't control when the news comes out anyway.

    Seriously, if you have something that you think will make you die of embarrassment, confront it. You'll be better for it when you realize that nobody cares.

    1. Re:You're dead, what do you care? by cpghost · · Score: 1

      You're dead. You're beyond embarrassment.

      Perhaps it's not about embarrassment, and maybe it's not about selfish stuff. What about e.g. a journalist wanting to protect his sources even after he's dead? And that's just one example among many others.

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  138. Watch out for keyloggers/spyware by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 1

    Any corporate IT worth their salt will not be thwarted by your attempts to hide data on their own machines. Only if you have complete trust in your own system can you even begin to think about keeping what you do with it secret. If you can build your own box, stick Linux with LUKS or Windows with truecrypt on it, install virtualization software and run the "corporate image" inside the virtual machine. Don't do anything private in the virtual machine, and don't leave the box accessible when you're not present. That means, practically, shut it off or hibernate it to an encrypted volume. There are numerous hardware attacks to get encryption keys out of running machines, many of them simple and fast like firewire/pccard hacks. This still doesn't prevent simple hardware keylogging or a hidden camera if they really care to catch you doing something against their policies.

  139. tarsnap by antsquish · · Score: 1

    Tarsnap would potentially do the trick:
    http://www.tarsnap.com/

  140. wuala.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you tried http://www.wuala.com/ ? It's some sort of encrypted storage in the cloud, has a native client but also web access.

  141. TrueCrypt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Don't use a work computer for personal use.
    2. Buy an inexpensive laptop, install TrueCrypt which is free and encrypt the whole hard drive with a good password
    Problem solved.

  142. My question is this by djlowe · · Score: 1

    I have personal stuff in Outlook folders that I would not want someone in IT to see if I suddenly dropped dead: emails to the wife, photos of the kids, that kind of thing.

    So, given this statement, why would you choose to continue to do this? Why would you use a work account for personal matters, since you claim to be concerned about privacy?

    Seriously: This isn't rocket science, If you have personal stuff in your corporate Outlook folders, they are there because you CHOSE to put them there.

    You can also choose to remove them, you know.

    You can ALSO choose to NOT do this, in the future.

    Am I missing something?

    Regards,

    dj

  143. I don't understand why this is so difficult by bl8n8r · · Score: 1

    ssh + vi + gnupg

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  144. Hey - here's a thought by djlowe · · Score: 1

    Hey - here's a thought: Why not try NOT using your work account(s) for personal matters, and, later, figure out what works best for you, with regards to your personal "presence" on the 'net such as it is, based upon your own awareness? You know - actually taking RESPONSIBILITY for your own affairs? Once you've actually done so, you'll be in a MUCH better position to dictate what should happen, after you die.

  145. Recently, someone died in our company... by djlowe · · Score: 1

    Recently, someone died in our company

    ...

    And, what saddens the rest of us on Slashdot (or at least me)? You never mention that person's name, nor anything save to use their death to create what is basically a completely selfish, Karma-whoring post.

    "Hey, some person that I didn't give a shit about died, and it drove me to think about myself, and to submit an article to Slashdot. The editors accepted it, because they not only didn't give a shit about my motivation, but also didn't care about the person that died as well."

    NICE.

    You're a prince, you are.

  146. Private messages on work account by h0dg3s · · Score: 1

    Why in the hell would you keep private messages from your wife, etc on your work email account? What are you planning on doing if you get fired? Why wouldn't you have a separate personal account in the first place? It's not like there aren't tons of free ones.

  147. Thanks, all ... well, thanks most anyway by steve802 · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the (helpful) suggestions. Should have know that minds would jump to trannies and bukkake, but that's slashdot for you.

    I get all the issues raised. I don't know if the dead guy *actually* had anything rumor-worthy. Maybe, maybe not. What is a little horrifying to me is if these rumors get back to his family. I get that if I write an email to my wife from work, it is entirely possible that IT could have seen it, maybe even passed it around. That is less of a conern to me than some office interns getting access, with their possible lack of IT ethics. The rumors are all about admins (by "admins" I should make it clear I meant "adminstrative assistants"), not IT.

    As for the content, it doesn't even really matter if it is a naked photo of my wife or a picture of my kid blowing out birthday candles - it is not relevent to business and no one else needs to see it. "Company resources" yada yada yada ... I don't know many people who don't have personal stuff on their work computer embarrassing or not.

    So I'm dead, what do I care? Well, I don't even know the dead guy's family, and I care about the repercussions for them... why would I *not* care about my own family after my demise? Of more concern to me are my journals - they are my private thoughts, and if I can't control them, I don't want anyone, maybe even *especially* my own family, having access. Dead or not. Maybe if I were someone important, and my diaries could bring them financial gain after my death, I might care less about them surviving me. But no one is going to pay for them - and if my thoughts about family got out to everyone out of context (or even in context), there could be stress and anxiety they don't need.

    I'll read the upmodded replies with interest. Thanks.

    1. Re:Thanks, all ... well, thanks most anyway by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      Funny how you read all that stuff, and never got the point of much of it:

      DON'T KEEP PRIVATE STUFF ON YOUR WORK COMPUTER!!!

      You say that you don't know many people who don't have personal stuff on their work computer. REALLY? This leaves me speechless. In an era when a functional computer can be had for the price of a few dozen fast-food lunches, flashdrives are promotional toys, smartphones are ubiquitous, etc. etc., why would ANYONE keep personal stuff on a work computer? Ten years ago, I could see it. Five years ago, _maybe_, but mostly because work computers were faster and better connected than the average home PC. Nowadays, I could get my own laptop that outpaced my work machine by a huge amount for under $400.

      Seriously, why would you risk (a) your job, (b) your privacy, (c) your credibility, (d) your hiring potential (after getting fired for misuse of company resources), and (e) your family by putting stuff on a WORK computer? For gods' sake, use Gmail for email if you must.

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    2. Re:Thanks, all ... well, thanks most anyway by steve802 · · Score: 1

      It's not that I don't get it ... I GET IT. But as I walk by my co-workers' cubes, I see photos of babies and dogs and husbands pop up in wall paper and screen savers. Are you honestly saying that none of them should have any of that on their work machine? And, along the same lines, scheulding of the kids' orthodontic appointments should only be happeing in private email? That's just not realisitc and sometimes not even possible. Not realistic because Outlook is in our face all day long. Not even possible because our corporate firewalls block Gmail and all other popular public email services...

      The TrueCrypt solution seems like a good one, I'll definitely be checking that out. And if it works as it looks like it should, I'll recommend it to those who insist on having photos of their loved ones on their work computers.

  148. Dont do private stuff on work i the first hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simply dont do private stuff at work. Expect admins being able to see everything.

  149. Do it yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rent out a VPS(linode) and write your own code to do just this. Then sell it and make enough money to live off of. Then buy out linode ... wait, bad idea. They host my webserver >:|

  150. offshore safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What you look for is available offshore, i use this service since some time and like it very much: https://www.cryptorian.com/

  151. Memcache by fru1tcake · · Score: 1

    I hear memcache is a pretty secure and efficient away of storing data on the net.

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  152. Web based and private? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know the old saying, if two people know it, it isn't a secret, anymore? Okay, maybe we try to define privacy, eh? I guess you COULD try encryption, sure, and while you're at it, just flag the file "topsecretprivatepersonalcomeandgetitnow". Come ON, people, common sense, DON'T put ANYTHING you wouldn't want to explain to a paramedic or a room full of grade school kids and a peace officer into an online environment in any way, shape, or form! If it can be transmitted over an open line, you can bet someone else's tail that, sooner or later, someone, somewhere, will have a decrypted clean copy of your stuff that they can abuse at their leisure, who ISN'T YOU.

    Limit the content of your personal data, first off. Limit the exposure of that data to the outside world, secondly. This is where encryption figures in, but also basic physical security. Thirdly, limit access to that data by compartmentalizing it, if it's ALL in one place, it only takes some lucky accident to release it.

  153. Re:Plausible deniability harder to achieve than th by obarel · · Score: 1

    I just struggle to see the situation as you describe it. To be honest, if I had an encrypted file on my machine at work, my employers wouldn't know about it.

    But let's say they found out that I have some encrypted file and they're asking me what it is (maybe concerned that I'm storing company secrets there). Again - this is unlikely, because I can just push a USB stick and store whatever I want on it.

    So I look at the employer innocently and say "oh this is just my grocery list from 2008" (date on the file: 2010). Oh, now I have to maintain a fake encrypted grocery list just for plausible deniability.

    And then the employer says "oh this is TrueCrypt - I know this program, are you using two passwords on this file?"

    At that point the employer stopped trusting me. He doesn't know whether I'm lying or not, but he is paying me money for understanding technology. If I say "oh, I didn't know you can do that" he will *know* that I'm lying. If I say "nah, what do I need the second password for? It's only a grocery list" he still doesn't know - there's the file, I know how to use the tool, and just storing a grocery list in an encrypted file using a tool that allows plausible deniability sounds ridiculous.

    So no, unless plausible deniability is an undocumented feature that I somehow discovered (rather than one of the main advertised features), I don't think it would work.

    It's a bit like having a better lock on your garden shed than you have on your house. The police arrive and you open the "safe door" on the shed, and there's a shovel and a flower pot. You think the police will not demolish the shed to see where you've hidden the body?

  154. RTT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just have a google on mozy.com and it's alternatives.
    They use AES with a user-key.
    If you don't write down the key, your data will be secure and encrypted, even if you pass on.

  155. RDP/VNC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A lot of people here say to just not do personal things at work. It's silly; everyone does it, and everyone knows about it.

    So, what you do instead: pay your ISP to get a public IP for your home box. Then, depending on the OS you have at home and at work, set up either an RDP or a VNC server at home. Make sure the connection is encrypted (both support this). Then, whenever you need to read or send anything personal, connect to your home box, and do that.

    This will not prevent a targeted attack, such as e.g. a physical keylogger. But if you're under that much attention already, no encryption technique will help you, anyway.

  156. Relax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One you're dead, you'll likely not care so much anymore what happens to your data.

  157. purge personal emails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    purge personal emails, if you have to keep "memoirs", retype /store each email into another format (encrypted). now technically, you could forward every email you have to your gmail account, have the password really hard to crack. google is semi-private already, and i don't think anyone is allowed to divulge your personal details from google. (use an account that no one can trace it's yours). as for those files - as long as they are not huge (don't include videos, i hope) you can probably set up a system wherein there's this scheduled task to delete all my documents (force delete, no trace in recycle bin) if you didn't change some file for three weeks. there's got to be a way to record how long "you've been away" so to speak from touching your computer.

  158. -1 Obvious by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 1

    Well like a lot of people here have said; don't use your work account for personal stuff. Problem solved. Anything on a work system is open to scrutiny; I know because I build systems specifically designed to store this stuff. For example; email. Where I work EVERY email received or sent is stored in a database for 7 years in case of legal discovery process. This is a very common practice and access to this database is strictly limited. However, even if you delete it, purge your deleted items, whatever... that email is still in the system for 7 years whether you like it or not. So plain and simple; don't do it. I keep my personal email to my GMail account and even then I prefer to use face-to-face for completely personal stuff.

    As for personal files I have a 2GB USB stick with nothing on it but a Truecrypt store. It uses two key files, both accessible from separate online services in case I need to set up access on another machine... and a 30 character password. I periodically sync that store to my Drobo at home, and that in turn gets backed up to Mozy. The contents never get out unless I want them to. Sure the store is small but my REALLY personal files are not that big; Excel and Word documents mostly with a few text-only PDF's. Is it possible that someone could hack it? Yeah... no encryption is perfect. But they'd have to be REALLY determined to get to that data and if they're that determined then power to them. Chances are though that even the fact that the data is encrypted and just a simple password won't cut it will usually deter most.

    As for personal photographs and the like... meh. My perspective on that is if you don't want it getting out don't take a picture of it. As I said, no security is perfect and thus everything that is stored has the potential to be used and abused.

    And web storage? Forget it. I only use it for my keyfiles and non-sensitive data. Even then only I know where those keyfiles and stuff are so the really sensitive data gets protected. I know enough about how corporations work on the back end... and I've seen enough "secure data leaks" in my lifetime in IT that I don't trust my sensitive or personal data to anything I don't control absolutely. Like my USB stick.

  159. That would be great.... by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 2, Informative

    .... if companies didn't encroach in personal time.

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  160. misappropriation of company property ??? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    And how do you call it when companies force people to work over time without payment?

    Companies can have it any way they want it, but employees have to act subserviently and avoiding the most basic rules of common sense....

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    IANAL but write like a drunk one.
    1. Re:misappropriation of company property ??? by shentino · · Score: 1

      If it is done without consent (howeverso grudgingly obtained in a lopsided bargaining session), then it is a violation of labor laws, and your employer can be prosecuted.

      If you agree to it as a condition of employment, then there is nothing you can do about it.

      If it's an unconscionable contract you can probably sue.

  161. Bullshit. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Use common sense.

    If the company forbids all access, then why do they have internet access in the first place? (if you need access to a few website it is a piece of cake to restrict access elsewhere).

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  162. Having access does not imply ownership. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    They may have the right to check what you have up to, then can even fire you for wasting company's time, but sure as hell they can do whatever they want with the pictures of your family or the novel you were writing. (unless your company makes specific provisions for all this, otherwise it is not the default).

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    1. Re:Having access does not imply ownership. by FlyingGuy · · Score: 1

      Ever had a company issued laptop and been show the door ( aka fired )? No? Then let me tell you how it works. You show up to work one day and called in for a meeting. You leave your desk and then show up at the meeting only to find your boss AND the HR person there. At that point the IT folks are changing your passwords / disabling your account and fetching all company issued electronic items that are in your office / on your desk, including, if it is there, the company issued laptop. If you have a company issued cell phone it gets snatched in the meeting.

      You can ASK if you can get at it before they escort you out of the building and depending on how acrimonious the firing was they MIGHT let you touch it, but that is highly doubtful. If you don't have it with you ie: it is at home they are going to hold whatever severance you have coming until you turn it in at the reception desk.

      People, and it seems you, have this idea that because they issue you a laptop that it is yours to play with however you like. I know of at least two companies where laptops are turned in monthly and they are just re-imaged with the latest build of whatever OS and applications are required thereby wiping the hard drive and removing whatever encrypted data you might have.

      The bottom line is that the equipment, cell phone, laptop, cell wifi card whatever belongs to them, not you.

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  163. We are talking data that is transported physically by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Surely you would have a copy in a server (and the respective backups).

    What you don;t want is that a copy of *that* data that is in transit is easily accessible (did you seriously think that the copy in the drive would be the only one???).

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  164. Then get an SSL certificate? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    SSL authority: you.

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  165. Cheap Linux host + WebDAV + Truecrypt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could always get a cheap Linux host, mount a folder from the host over WebDAV and keep your truecrypt volume in there.

    Of course, you could buy a USB drive and do the same thing. Security only needs to be slightly stronger than the ability of the people who give a crap about it. For instance, your wife isn't going to try and brute force your truecrypt volume when you die. And those who could crack the truecrypt volume don't give a crap about your wife's titty pictures. We do, however; post those pics!

  166. Re:We are talking data that is transported physica by vux984 · · Score: 1

    (did you seriously think that the copy in the drive would be the only one???)

    This sort of self-destruct is precisely what the original article submitter suggested!! Just read portion of the article summary, quoted below:

    "All my most private personal stuff in one place. [...] Best would be a service with a dead-man's switch, so that if I don't access it in, say, three months, it auto-purges. Any thoughts?"

    All my most private personal stuff in one place, with a dead-man's switch. Nuff said. :p

    Maybe its not what -you- were suggesting, but it is exactly what the article poster was asking for, and which I think is demented. (and it would appear you agree)

  167. Web-Based Private File Storage by kit4short · · Score: 1

    I think when you have a computer at work it is almost inevitable that you will end up with personal stuff on it. Here are a couple of approaches; 1) Have a personal datafile for outlook that loads from a usb drive - that way you can copy incoming personal stuff to that location. 2) Create a personal file container on your hard drive using Truecrypt (excellent Open Source encryption tool) and store your personal stuff in there. The truecrypt container can be mounted as a drive when required. 3) I have heard that some personal cloud computing offerings actually allow encryption of the whole space or a partitioned section. Again Truecrypt would be excellent for this.

  168. My 6th grade teacher once said by jimnorcal · · Score: 1

    Back in the mid 80s when I was in grade school, my 6th grade teacher told the class one day "There's two important things I've learned in life. Don't ever say what you don't want heard and don't ever write what you don't want read.". Those words echo throughout my mind quite often whenever I consider doing one of those two things. I would suggest the same for anyone else as well. My favorite teacher (6th Grade male teacher, a rare thing) died over twelve years ago so I don't know what his opinion would be today considering all of our technology and encryption capabilities but I would imagine it would remain unchanged.

  169. Spideroak by SyntaxTerror82 · · Score: 1

    Guys you need to check out Spideroak. It's an online storage system offering a free 2GB which syncs between computers. It features zero-knowledge encryption - they store your data on their servers but the decryption is done on your machine. Definitely worth checking out. Excerpt from the site: Your SpiderOak data is readable to you alone. Most online storage systems only encrypt your data during transmission, meaning anyone with physical access to the servers your data is stored on (such as the company's staff) could have access to it. Or, even if your data is encrypted during storage, your password (or set of encryption keys) is often stored along with your data, thus making its easily decoded by anyone with local access to those servers. With SpiderOak, you create your password on your own computer -- not on a web form received by SpiderOak servers. Once created, a strong key derivation function is used to generate encryption keys using that password, and no trace of your original password is ever uploaded to SpiderOak with your stored data. SpiderOak's encryption is comprehensive -- even with physical access to the storage servers, SpiderOak staff cannot know even the names of your files and folders. On the server side, all that SpiderOak staff can see, are sequentially numbered containers of encrypted data. This means that you alone have responsibility for remembering your password or 'Password Hint' (which you can create to help you remember) allowing SpiderOak to create a true 'zero-knowledge environment' – keeping your data as safe and secure as it can possibly be.

  170. Don't put personal stuff on work systems. by hattig · · Score: 1

    " I have personal stuff in Outlook folders that I would not want someone in IT to see if I suddenly dropped dead"

    Don't use work systems for personal use. Certainly not the work Exchange server.

    However if work doesn't provide web access to any external emails solutions this can be very difficult to avoid.

    In the end it comes down to two things - one, work should honour personal emails when stored in a personal folder and just delete them, and two, sent emails should not be stored in a single sent email folder, but be split up into "work sent" and "personal sent", with the latter again being deleted without investigation by the business.

    Now things that your don't mind being seen by co-workers, like photos and the like in screensavers (a modern version of the photo-frame people used to have at work), might be personal, but then again, they're not *that* personal that you care - you'd previously have had them pinned to the partition wall anyway. Any sensible company allows its users to personalise to that degree.

  171. thebelltolls.com by cirejin · · Score: 1

    thebelltolls.com allows you to send instructions (incl user/pass) after you've passed away to someone you trust to get rid of the dirty laundry.

  172. Crashplan by Loki_1929 · · Score: 1

    Crashplan is about $4 a month and if you don't pay, your data goes out the window. Otherwise it's very securely stored off-site with a crypto key that you control.

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  173. What *really* are you hiding? by BaronElectricPhase · · Score: 1

    If I may ask... *what* is so personal that you would continue to *supposedly* care after your death?

    Plans for eventual family domination over the earth, and that somehow, pre-knowledge of that eventuality would prevent your offspring from doing so?

  174. don't call up what you can't put down... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    citing XKCD summons GOATKCD