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Drunken Employee Shoots Server
Target Practice writes "A drunken mortgage worker at RANLife Home Loans decided for unknown reasons to take out the company's $100,000 server with a .45-caliber automatic, blaming the damage on an imagined assailant who: mugged him, assaulted him with his own weapon, drugged him, and then broke into his office to shoot said server. According to acquaintances, he had threatened earlier that day to shoot the server and maybe himself."
Police did find a knife on the floor, corroborating his account that the server came at him first.
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Alcohol. Is there anything it can't do?
If libertarians are so opposed to effective government, why don't they all move to Somalia?
Is there a sysadmin among us that hasn't, at one time or another, wanted to shoot a server?
"Automatic" probably does not mean what you think it means.
"Automatic" weapons are typically ones that fire continuously as long as the trigger is pressed.
It can also mean "automatic" as in it resets for you. This second usage is a little archaic and is now commonly called 'semi-automatic'.
They always try to blame it on the hardware.
Has anyone considered that maybe the server deserved it?
I shot the server
(but I did not shoot the disk array)
"He's lost in a 'floyd hole"
A single $100,000 server? Must be a Sun errrr Oracle machine. You can buy a hell of a lot of Dell's for $100,000.
He should claim it tried to rack him.
A $100,000 server? At a loan company? Damn, $100,000 is a LOT of box for a Physics department at a large university.
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He could have had a MAC-10 or a Thompson....
Rumor has it that the server was seen holding what the mortgage officer thought was a weapon. The officer drew and repeatedly fired his weapon, pausing to reload 15 times because he believed his life was in danger. The server was fatally hit by 87 rounds, most of them entering through the rear of the chassis. No other weapon was found at the scene. The mortgage officer has been put on temporary desk assignment while an investigation is held.
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mugged him, assaulted him with his own weapon, drugged him, and then broke into his office to shoot said server.
Try imagining if that actually happened. I can't help but laugh at the mental picture.
As an aside, Why does a mortgage worker have a conceal and carry permit and a need to pack heat at his desk job?
Joshua Lee Campbell, 23, has been charged in 3rd District Court with criminal mischief, a second-degree felony; carrying a dangerous weapon while under the influence and providing false information to police, both Class B misdemeanors; and public intoxication, a Class C misdemeanor.
Utah is a CCW state. You would think that if he didn't have a permit, they would have thrown that charge at him as well. I guess the housing market is a lot scarier than I thought.
To the layperson, automatic can mean either semi- or full-. Austin Powers said, "I've got my 9 milli automatic!" If you're referring to a belt-fed weapon though, most people don't say it's an automatic. They said it's fully-automatic or full-auto.
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...nice shot.
You're supposed to shoot the server, THEN grab 2 beers and leave. This guy will fail at becoming the folk hero Steven Slater became. Now his post-mortgage plans of reality TV, book series, and magazine interviews are no more...
People not familiar with firearms tend to get confused on the difference between "automatic" and "auto-loader".
Automatic=1 trigger pull (and hold) and it fires until the clip is empty Auto-loader=1 trigger pull (and release) means one shot fired and the next round loaded in the chamber
I think it's a holdover from the "Roaring Twenties" - I don't think any reasonable person familiar with firearms has used that term in North America, in the last twenty years. The problem is that the media professionals (either intentionally or unintentionally) use the term to describe a particular firearm, neglecting to understand the ramifications of using an archaic term. I do believe that it's more a case of laziness more than overt anti-gun alarmism; but who knows. Think Edward G. Robbinson.
But some sysadmin just ends up shooting that pile of crap Dells until you buy him Sun^H^H^HOracle instead.
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he could have.
and a slashdot reader could have a girlfriend.
but let's not kid ourselves.
Netcraft confirmed it.
In better news, several banks of surviving ram and couple of hard drives have been salvaged and donated to a server that needs some upgrades.
The article didn't even mention if the server was ok or not.
As there was either a Panther, Tiger or some type of Leopard inside.
Should of had a HP sever
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What about a handgun that, when no more rounds are chambered, the slide stays back with the breech open so that when a new mag is popped in you can simply release the slide to chamber another round? As opposed to a pistol that needs to be cocked for every new mag inserted? Is there a name for that?
I just noticed that the story was submitted by user "Target Practice". Coincidence? I think not.
What could actually go wrong with that?
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The Colt 1911 Govt model is usually referred to as a "single-action automatic". It is chambered for .45ACP, the ACP being "Automatic Colt Pistol". It's the traditional term associated with this weapon.
Of course, on a military system I saw something in the software requirements about how the system software had to protect the computer from kinetic penetration. I asked if having the software raise Shields was an adequate software solution (leaving it to the hardware people to actually build those Shields: "Implementing this API in hardware is not a software problem....")
In the same document, by the way, was this tid-bit under environmental considerations: "The software shall recycle bits and shall make use of recycled bits to the maximum extent possible." In This Case, I found who wrote that requirement, and he admitted it was a joke he inserted to see if anyone was actually reading it. No owner for the 'kinetic damage' requirement was ever found (it was probably cut-and-paste from an unrelated system specification.)
I honestly wasn't trying to flame, I'm legitimately curious as to whether he shot a single $100,000 machine or that's just a number the authorities are throwing out there as the "intrinsic worth" of the machine, e.g., includes the cost of recreating the data stored, etc.
At that price it just sounds more like a huge Sun SPARC system or something, I'm just curious what.
actually, the gun manufacturers still use the terminology. several of my weapon's manuals have titles such as "Colt Automatic Pistol .45 ACP"
That's what slashdot wants to know.
Single Action. You first have to cock it before you fire the first round. Once you fire a round it will cock itself back again. The chief benefit is that the trigger is much lighter and responsive.
associated with many other weapons too, as there is .25 ACP, .32 ACP, .380 ACP, etc.
Once my boss walked in and found me with my finger stuck inside of the server. I was fired, and so was the server.
That's not exactly what I meant. I meant what is it called when, upon firing the last round in the magazine, the slide stays back, allowing you to load another magazine, and then hitting a button to release the slide forward, chambering another round?
> He could have had a MAC-10 or a Thompson....
He could have had a Tommy Gun too but in all likelihood he just had M1911 pistol or something similar.
Between anti-gun/anti-prole liberal media and the tendency to overhype stuff, there will likely never be an accurate account when it comes to firearms.
"automatic" just sounds more exciting.
Nevermind that it really doesn't conform to the vernacular understanding of that term (in guns or anything else).
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Booyakasha! That's the Law Of Karma for you, in form of a Crazed, Drunken Gunman/Sysadmin. Didn't they learn from the case of State Of California trying to get passwords from a Lonely Sysadmin, Terry Childs ? Sysadmins Are Crazy! They have to be, to make sense out of all that Chaos! Don't mess with them or be prepared to take the occasional bullet in your servers! ;) Anyway, a Loan Company probably deserved this after what they have done to drive people into economical crisises.
Relating to Terry Childs, http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/042710-admin-who-kept-sf-network.html:
"One of the reasons it was so expensive for the City to recover control of its network is because Childs had set routers to store configuration information in memory instead of on their hard drives, so any disruption of power would have wiped out this information. This made it very difficult for the city to reset the routers and recover administrative control of the network without reconfiguring the entire system." San Francisco spent about US$900,000 cleaning up the mess caused by Childs' actions, according to Assistant District Attorney Conrad Del Rosario."
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It's not "laziness". It's intentional and overt manipulation. They want to sex up the article.
"Man fires pistol into computer" just isn't sexy enough.
It sounds more like Alexander Hamilton losing his temper than Rambo. It's not exciting enough.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Was it german? You can't fault the guy for shooting a de-server.
Looks like he was suffering from the same syndrome as Don Quixote...
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that's called a semi-automatic pistol. they all do that. name one that doesn't, go ahead, i dare you.
The 1911 pattern .45 ACP is still produced today and is still one of the most popular and commonly-used pistols on the market.. Not archaic, just a classic.
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An M-16A1 is described by the USMC as a "semi-automatic". So clearly this generic use of the term "automatic" is probably a bit archaic as well as not being sufficiently precise (even for back in 1911).
THIS is the sort of nonsense that's killing them and has been since before the rise of the Internet Blogger.
OTOH, simply refering things to what that are (pistol,rifle,machine gun) goes a long way to clear this sort of stuff up. Journalists are supposed to be providing that information rather than obscuring it.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
What's the SNMP trap for "Oh on! I've been shot!" ?
There are some people that if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.
The police who responded immediately called for backup.
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Really? Because the A1 was a select-fire rifle with safe-semi-full modes. The A2 has safe-semi-burst modes, where one trigger pull fires 3 rounds.
Keltec p-11?
Haven't we?
Thompson = Tommy Gun
Generally, the media will call a semi-auto an automatic. It's much more sensational.
And it happens to be that the caliber in this case was .45 ACP, which stands for Automatic Colt Pistol.
Ruger lcp as well
When it comes to aggression versus servers, you can't beat the Gallery of Exploding Servers. Some serious mayhem inflicted upon hardware.
"Automatic" is a superset including selective fire, and semi-automatic weapons.
According to acquaintances, he had threatened earlier that day to shoot the server and maybe himself.
And that didn't sound the alarm?
Jesus had a UNIX beard.
Funny... I was just hearing from George Lucas that the server shot first.
FYI, a "Thompson" is a Tommy Gun. They are both references to the Thompson Sub Machine Gun. I agree, a 1911 (or a Glock, as they are common too) is probably more likely.
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>He could have had a Tommy Gun too Sorry to be a pendant, but a Tommy Gun IS a Thompson.
Yes, but a tiger is only efficient if someone's coming at you with a basket of raspberries.
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you (semi-)joke but I work w/a guy who's gone to burning man since the late 90s (think he's either there or on his way) who the other day was telling us about how it's evolved over the years as it's grown. one thing in particular that shocked me (no small feat coming from this guy) was that they used to have (at least according to him) a drive-by shooting range! booze+loaded handgun=bad but booze+100 deg heat+loaded handgun+DRIVING? wow...
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My dad has an old Walther PPK/S, and I think it may not. That could be a problem with the gun though. I have never shot any other PPK/S to know.
My favorite is how they usually describe the gun on the news as "black". "The man in the ski mask threatened the store owner with a black semi-automatic handgun" BINGO! I'VE GOT (scary buzzword) BINGO!"
As if the gun being chrome or blue or purple or pink makes any difference.
The irony. A guy bitching about accuracy in gun stories screwing up what a "Thompson gun" is.
This sysadmin is a HERO of our times!
He helped a server who wanted to die quick to relieve its pain, shame, and suffering!
Seriously, can you imagine spending your life operated by SCO/Unix ?
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Except that I wasn't boozed up. And luckily didn't have a gun.
That would have been cool if he had shot at the server with a MAC-10 like Jason Mewes shot at a winged Ben Affleck in "Dogma" yelling "Suck a duck!". Of course, you really don't need a reason to machine-gun Ben Affleck. Hey, maybe the guy looked at the server but saw Ben Affleck?
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"The full precipitating causes may never be known, but one February night in 1970 a McDonald Observatory employee (not a Texan, but an Ohioan newly hired from another observatory!) suffered a breakdown and carried a pistol to the observing floor of the 107-inch telescope. He fired a shot at his supervisor, and then unloaded the rest of the clip into the primary mirror. Happily, fused silica is more resilent than ordinary glass, and the big mirror did not break. The craters have been bored out and painted black to reduce any light-scattering effect, and the end result is simply a slight reduction in the efficiency of the telescope. It is now the equivalent of a 106-inch telescope. The incident made the national television news..."
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"I shot the server, but I didn't shoot no DVD"
No, the P-11 9mm locks back. The Kel Tec P-3AT .380 doesn't. The P-3 .32 ACP does, but when they made the .380, there wasn't any room for the slide lock.
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Please tell me that you meant to say 'Pendant' while you were being pedantic about the Tommy Gun. It makes it that much funnier for those that catch the flub.
Epic subprime mortgage, no one has credit and there's excess of inventory. You should not be in any type of mortgage company to begin with. He was too drunk to kill himself after shooting the server. What an idiot.
Probably just happened the be the max. amount they were insured for on their computer equipment?
I'm just saying ... when crazy stuff like this happens and the accused is clearly in the wrong, they sure don't tend to go to lots of trouble to report accurate figures of what the cost of damage really was.
I mean, ok, it COULD have really been a $100,000 server, but everyplace I worked, our rack mount servers were more like $5,000 - $14,000 each. You might double that if you've got an external drive array in there attached to it. But shoot, even the big Oracle database server we purchased in the late 90's at a previous employer was around $60K, if I recall correctly. $100K should buy you quite a nice server configuration -- and seems like more than a typical home loan place would need?
I'm impressed that he shot the actual server instead of just the monitor, thereby avoiding a classic rookie mistake.
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The slide staying back is referred to as "lock back".
As far as the reload I think you are referring to a "slide-lock" reload. Meaning you are manually disengaging the slide lock to allow the slide forward to chamber another round as opposed to the slide being in the forward position, putting in a clip and "racking" (pulling back and releasing) the slide to reload.
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I'm thinking someone is inflating the value of the server.
The price of the top line Dell server with all options is $21,590.00 that is without any software licenses that cant be shot up and destroyed.
So they are claiming $80,000 in lost productivity and backup restoration costs?
That is an insurance scam if I ever smelled one. and if you had lost money due to downtime... WTF are you doing running without a redundant server for hot backup?
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I am sure it had more than one core.
Sometimes companies get so greedy that they pressure workers and over work workers until the ugly jumps out and takes control. Give the man a vacation!
BROADCAST MESSAGE FROM USER root: The system will be shot down now!
Sounds like the system's not as bulletproof as claimed by the vendor.
umm...since when? I spent 6 years in the Marines and at no time was an M16 ever referred to as a semi-automatic. It was and is a select-fire assault rifle and believe me they drilled that shit into our skulls. The A2 was capable of burst mode, but was also a select-fire weapon. I don't know where you got the idea the USMC thinks an assault rifle is a semi-automatic, but whoever it was is dead wrong.
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The feature you are referring to is "slide-lock". Most modern semi-automatic pistols have it with the exception of some smaller "pocket" pistols. Some guns will release the slide and put a new round into battery automatically when the next magazine is inserted, and some require the slide release to be flipped to release it.
They are including the cost of running and maintaining Windows on it.
Maybe it comes from the name for the cartridge: .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol). The bullet could have been shot by anything from a Thompson, Mac-10, Glock, 1911, or any number of revolvers which use the round--and calling it .45 Automatic is technically correct on some level.
The confusion undoubtedly comes from the fact that the pistol was in all likelihood semi-automatic, or as they were called back in the day: auto-loading... One term of which is related to automatic, as in the context of a machine gun... The other is not.
Throw that at a journalist who knows fuckall about guns (or most anything else as is usually the case) and it's a recipe for delicious confusion.
Unknown reason?
Has the submitter actually, you know, worked with computers?
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It's traditional, at least in the US, to call a semi-automatic pistol an automatic. Does confuse laypeople sometimes, though.
I don't think people generally refer to their semi-automatic rifles as automatics, just pistols.
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No, your second example is actually in very common usage. Nobody I know calls their 1911 types (Kimber, Colt, etc) a "semi-automatic" unless they're being pedantic.
"The .45 ACP (11.43x23mm) (Automatic Colt Pistol), also known as the .45 Auto by C.I.P."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/45_ACP
A *lot* of people call them a 45 auto. It's because there was also a 45 single action in popular use at the time, often called a Colt 45.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Single_Action_Army
Example: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=45+automatic
A large majority of the hits show that most 1911s are referred to *still* as the 45 automatic (or 45 ACP)
An operating system should be like a light switch... simple, effective, easy to use, and designed for everyone.
Wouldn't a pink handgun make it easier to identify the individual?
I always assumed 'automatic' simply referred to the action used to chamber another round, to differentiate from manual operations like levers and pumps.
Highly doubtful this fellow was carrying any automatic weapon at a bar and around on the street. While it is a Constitutionally protected right to do so, it is illegal in many states to open carry automatic firearms. More than likely he used some sort of 1911 based pistol which he was probably legally carrying until the point of intoxication, at which point he should have no longer been carrying.
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My cheap 9mm plinker is a HiPoint and it does not do what you describe. It's not a bad gun but its cheap so you get what you pay for.
All in all I'd say everyone got off pretty lucky. A disgruntled employee brings a gun to the office and all that gets shot is a piece of equipment. That's a rare story.
The cartridge is called .45 ACP, Automatic Colt Pistol. It is understood by gun people that an automatic pistol is not full, but semi-automatic.
he was actually aiming for one of the VMs...
I don't why it matters if he had a PC or an Apple server? Or why the Media Access Control address of the device is important.
You mean semi-automatic? Like a revolver?
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That's not exactly what I meant. I meant what is it called when, upon firing the last round in the magazine, the slide stays back, allowing you to load another magazine, and then hitting a button to release the slide forward, chambering another round?
It's called a slide lock. When the last round is fired the slide comes back as it normally does but catches on a lock that is usually engaged by contact with the follower in the now empty magazine.
You can hit the "button" to release the slide lock as you describe but that's actually not the best way to do it. A better way to bring a pistol back into action after a reload is to pull back on the slide. This requires less fine motor skills than manipulating a small slide lock and also allows you to get the gun back on target faster.
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We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
I'm going to submit the details of this new DoS exploit to Microsoft if there isn't already a KB article on it.
My theory is that the guy was reading the current /. poll and got some crazy ideas from the comments on the poll.
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Also, it's not "cocking" the gun, it's charging.
Really the CountryWide Loan worker who was angry during the collapse of that bank. They just settled the class action lawsuit on this. I get free credit monitoring for years and years. No evidence any has been used yet.
Automatic could also refer to the bullet likely used: .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol)
Check again buddy. The base price on a Dell (m|R)910 server is about $28K. Fully maxed out these can approach 6 figures. Now consider a chassis pupulated with m910 blades...
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That's called semi-automatic
"Automatic" typically refers to (a) 3-round-bursts or (b) where you hold down the trigger and out comes a constant stream of bullets. You'll occasionally hear "automatic" referring to a semi-auto but not very often because of its ambiguity.
...and Freddie MAC-10?
Ok, not that I really care, but...
First; It was meant as a joke.
Second; It depends on what you mean. Something still being produced doesn't mean it's not archaic, or do you disagree with it having the "characteristic of an earlier or more primitive time"? Compare it to a modern Steyr or Glock for instance.
Actually the way the BATFE defines it (simplifying and paraphrasing) is that any firearm which discharges more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger is an automatic weapon. That includes guns like the M16A2, A4 and Beretta M93R which have a 3-round burst setting. I'm not saying I definitely agree with their definition -- I mean then isn't a shotgun (or furthermore a double-barreled shotgun) in essence a an automatic weapon since it discharges multiple projectiles with one pull? (well actually no, because I simplified the definition and did not describe cycling of the action)
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This also includes devices such as a shoe string or rubber band.
Behold, the yellow thing is a registered machine gun
ATF decision here
Forgot to mention about those shotguns.
After US vs Olofson Precedent was set that even if a firearm that was manufactured as a semiautomatic and malfunctioned so that more than one round was fired with a single pull of the trigger deemed the firearm to be an automatic machine gun. This also follows suit such that a shotgun that fires both chambered shells through the means of one trigger pull is thus an illegal machine gun. Yes, the ATF is on record saying that.
The server started the whole thing by saying "SHALL WE PLAY A GAME" The drunk guy lost the game and so he shot the server thinking he was saving the world.
I shot the server,..... but I did not shoot the drive named C:\,. Oh No!, I shot the server...... but I did not shoot no drive named C:\ Yeah! All around in my home town,
They're tryin' to track me down; They say they want to bring me in guilty
For the shooting of a drive named C;\,
For a drive named C:\.
I swear......
I'm afraid that most competition shooters would disagree with you about the "faster" part.
uninteresting, unless you're going to add that the server kept running after having the clip unloaded into it.
Oh, wait, that's a different story about a Pluribus and an army officer.
Uh, they start at $5k and the most I could get one to cost without going to 1TB of ram (64* mega expensive 16GB DIMM's) was $87k which is admittedly kinda close to 6 figure).
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I've also heard it called "last-shot hold open". The context was in a tube fed rifle (Marlin Model 60).
Competition shooting != self defense shooting. If you are under attack you will experience the flight or fight response. Part of that response includes the degradation of your fine motor skills. Those skills are required to manipulate small controls like the slide lock. They are not required to grab onto the slide and bring it back enough to release the slide lock. You can also do this without having to change your grip on the gun.
Ever handle a Glock? Their slide lock is difficult to operate by hand under the best circumstances. Trying to do it while fighting for your life is going to be that much harder. Glock's own literature recommends the slide-pull method of releasing the lock. It's really the best method of bringing a semi-auto back into action after a reload. If you doubt this, take some force-on-force classes sometime and try it both ways. After your way gets you "killed" a few times you'll see that I'm right.
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We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
I would respond that you haven't practiced that release method long enough. Or, favorably, that the "slingshotting" method is easier to learn.
Pulling a trigger and thumbing the slide release are similarly fine motor skills that no one seems to think are impossible to do under pressure.
Also, the Glock's slide release is notoriously difficult to hit under the best of circumstances. Some other designs do not have this issue.
If you've practiced to the point where you can do as quick of a reload as I have seen using the slide lock, I very much doubt you're going to suddenly lose those trained motor skills in a firefight. That said, I am entirely willing to believe you that if you haven't practiced, you're going to flub the whole thing up and be slower.
Glock doesn't care about how easy it is to hit the slide release because they feel that there is no reason to need to manually operate it under most instances. The only reason I can think of to manually manipulate a slide lock is when you need to lock the action open prior to setting a gun down on a table at the range.
The trigger is not a "similarly fine motor skill". You can operate the trigger without having to change the grip on the gun. Many people can not reach the slide lock on the typical handgun without changing their grip on it. Fine manipulation of the trigger does not come into play for self-defense with a handgun at typical ranges. Hell, most people interviewed after a self-defense shooting don't even recall seeing the sights, much less gently squeezing the trigger as a hunter or target shooter would do.
You keep doing it your way if you want. I'll keep doing it the way that I was trained. Pulling the slide back is a natural motion that's also used to clear malfunctions. It's much easier than trying to manipulate a small slide lock, particularly on those gun designs where the manual operation of that lock is not considered essential.
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
and take the icing of the cake with you.
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You sure the p-11 locks back automatically? I'll have to try it later but I've got access to a P-40 I can use.
I had one for several years, so I'm pretty sure. Here's a pic. The slide release is the big button.
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If he had to use an Apple server, he could easily claim temporary insanity.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
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.45 ACP is what he used.
ACP stands for Automatic Colt Pistol (and in this context, automatic means autoloading, not fully automatic). This is often also called a ".45 Automatic".
Ok buddy, I did by flipping to the page where I just built one for a MSSQL server that will be serving only 10,000 clients. Oh lookie UNDER $28,000. When was the last time you actually built a server? I ordered 2 of these things last month. a 910 is pretty darn cheap nowdays.
P.S. dont try the BS of giving it 1TB of ram.. Windows Server and all the server apps CANT use that much ram, so it's a waste. It would be useful IF we installed a linux on there and ran a bunch of VM's but then that would be stupid, running a rack full of blades is cheaper and higher performance than a single machine running VM's.
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>He could have had a Tommy Gun too
Sorry to be a pendant, but a Tommy Gun IS a Thompson.
>implying slashdot is a futaba board
I actually carry a revolver, so if fine motor skills are out the window and I have to do a reload I am *completely* screwed :)
that's called semi-automatic
That's no server, that's a space station.
Well, that's one way to do it. I would carry a revolver if I was any good at shooting them. I'm much better with pistols though. The weight distribution on a revolver feels all wrong to me.
Don't worry too much about the reloads. Statistics say that the vast majority of civilian self-defense encounters involve 3-5 shots. I only carry a spare magazine because of Murphy's law -- if the one in the gun fails for whatever reason I'm SOL without a spare.
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
"Drunken Employee Pops Cap in Server" By Lester Haines
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