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Just Where Is The Lincoln Memorial, Anyhow?
John3 writes "Searching Google Maps for the Lincoln Memorial is returning the location of the FDR Memorial instead. Conservative bloggers smell a conspiracy since Glenn Beck is holding his 'Restoring Honor' gathering at the Lincoln Memorial tomorrow (August 28). Notes for the map listing on Google state 'This place has unverified edits'; so, did someone claim the listing and edit the location?"
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REAL AMERICANS don't need a map to tell them where their landmarks are located. Anyone that needs to use google maps to locate this rally is a communist or socialist anyways.
Glen Beck and hos crowd are lost, anyway - right? And they're a cancer on our society, right. So let them play patty cakes on the grounds of the Washington monument. Maybe Beck can find a few more converts there; I hear the pigeons are looking for a leader.
Conservative bloggers smell a conspiracy
This isn't really surprising. Proof of narcissistic and paranoid personality disorders are required prior to becoming a conservative blogger.
So people who want to goto the Lincoln memorial cannot do so without Google maps? That's like saying
1. I live in Seattle and I need directions to the Pike Place market
2. I live in Orlando and I need directions to the Disney World Resort
3. I live in Arizona and I need directions to the Grand Canyon
now the best part
4. I live in Vegas and I need directions to the strip.
Follow the bloody directions on the road or...bear with me here....use a fucking GPS. Granted, what Google did here is silly and appears juvenile (if they did anything that is), but Glenn Beck and his fans can go fuck themselves.
Why the hell DOES it redirect to FDR memorial? http://www.google.com/search?q=lincoln+memorial
Looking at specific searches, searching for the Lincoln Memorial gets you the FDR Memorial, but searching for the Lincoln Monument gets you the Lincoln Memorial.
I would imagine that it's simply a matter of the word memorial being attributed to FDR more than Lincoln, for some reason.
Conspiracy or no, it sure is funny the way some things in politics tend to work out. Oddly these sorts of mishaps don't seem to happen when media figures who are more embraced by the mainstream want to hold an event.
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The memorial is about half a km north west of what google maps highlights. Google maps has been far more wrong before...
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Really, if a self-proclaimed conservative—a jingoistic, flag-lapel-pin-wearing, Go-America!-shouting patriot—a dyed-in-the-wool, red-blooded American doesn't know where the Lincoln Memorial is and can't remember a penny long enough to figure out what it looks like while in Washington, DC, he or she might as well give up right there and then, thrown down his or her misspelled, Obama-Iz-An-Atheest-Moslim-Commie-Crony-Of-Wall-Street-Not-Main-Street signs, exchange his or her copy of Going Rogue for a Socialist party membership card, and get in line to be shipped off to the FEMA internment camps, because some re-education is patently and sorely needed.
between the Lincoln memorial and the FDR memorial you have no business going to Washington DC.
However if you decide to go anyway, they do have still pre-printed maps checked for accuracy
that sell at any gas station or book store.
Ironically I did a search a few months ago after I read an article about the crumbling retaining wall. The old pilings didn't go deep enough so there's a retrofit going on to keep it from sinking into the bay. Sounds like recent tampering since my search went straight to it.
Get off the Metro at Smithsonian. You're probably facing the Capital. Turn the fuck around and go straight.
If you can't find the Lincoln Memorial without a map, you are too stupid to remember to breathe. Therefore, anybody for whom this would be a problem will pass out before they get there. Hopefully they won't be behind the wheel when it happens.
I'm not just saying this because I'm from that area. It's big. The land around it is flat. There are nice views of it from everywhere.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
Politics aside (Glen Beck is an idiot), this reeks of a dirty political trick. Without doubt many people here would be screaming bloody murder if the situation was reversed and it was a democratic party rally.
Google is just honoring him by being as disconnected from reality as Glenn Beck is!
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It's actually "Glenn"... not "Glen."
To the few people here who apparently believe paranoid conservative conspiracy theorists vandalized Google to obscure the location of this rally: are you completely insane?
I mean, follow the bouncing ball: you're so paranoid that you'd like to hide the location of a giant rally by desecrating Google maps, but you've scheduled said rally at a landmark so famous tens of millions could find it with no maps at all? And how are fellow paranoid conservatives supposed to find said rally? Does Glenn Beck's web page include coded directions, decipherable only by clues so small you'd never notice them if you hadn't read Ronald Reagan's autobiography twelve times?
You may think Glenn Beck listeners somewhat clinically paranoid and/or politically foolish, but you don't look any smarter, more rational, or less paranoid in believing them both smart enough and rationally motivated to vandalize the map but otherwise too stupid to tie their own shoes.
http://goo.gl/maps/MpJ6
Right on gmaps?
I smell a conspiracy to attempt to bring the US media's favorite vacuous ratings-boosting political flamewar to slashdot by dressing it up in a thin veil of tech.
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If you look for the Jefferson Memorial, the same thing happens. The Washington Monument and the White House work fine though.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
I mean, if google has scrubbed the Lincoln memorial from their maps, how else will Beck faithful be able to find it? If only there was a media outlet that hyped this event for the entire summer. Oh wait...
So, if a business does something they don't like, it's a conspiracy. When a business does something they agree with (and others do not), it's the owners of the company enjoying the fruits of "their" labor.
click on the edits and you'll see some one is playing a joke.
If you can't find the Lincoln Memorial without a map, you are too stupid to remember to breathe.
... which explains why you are listening to Glenn Beck in the first place.
Glenn Beck is the retarded hitler to his retarded racist brown shirts.
You know the saying - "In the land of total retardation, the half retarded man is king."
It's not surprising. Google Louisville, KY and you'll find the city but you won't see it labeled.
Like Nascar. Then people got two things to go to.
I went to DC on a school trip in 8th grade, and I didn't even know there was an FDR memorial. (Of course, this was a tightly structured and scheduled trip, so that'd probably be why.)
That aside, there's one little feature of Street View that blew my mind just now.
While you're around the Tidal Basin, drag the little Street View man out of his home on the little toolbar. You'll notice that there are a lot of single spots around the area. These are user-contributed images--and, since several are in the Tidal Basin itself, probably user-positioned as well.
Anyway, drag the little man to the southernmost spot wholly in the Tidal Basin. You'll see it's not actually a picture from the Tidal Basin, it's a picture of the Jefferson Memorial from the west side, across the water. Now, here's the cool part.
See that dot on the Memorial you get when you mouse over? Click it.
It warps you to another image of the Memorial from a similar angle. From this point, you can warp to four images.
It might just be because it's late, but it sure blew my mind. (Especially if it's computer-generated linking.)
There might be more or fewer Super Mutants there in the real world, depending on your political views.
Really, a tech site like this and nobody has pointed that out yet?
Know that it is the Washington MONUMENT. And that if you search google maps for the Washington Monument, it points right at it.
The Washington Monument was started while Washington was still alive, thus, it is a monument, NOT a memorial.
-Rick
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
Even If they have the best directions in the world they still wouldn't make it to the rally in time. That Beltway traffic is ridiculous. It is a conspiracy perpetrated by the road workers.
Heh, late night posting. I totally missread that as the Washington, not Lincoln. Oddly enough though, searching for the Lincoln Monument points to the correct place, even though it is a memorial.
Weird. And Sorry for my missreading ;)
-Rick
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
The Lincoln Memorial is where the blowhard will be shooting his mouth off this weekend.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/28/us/politics/28beck.html
It's a short walk from the Washington monument. It's best to walk it, just head east for about a mile or two. The ground gets damp but keep walking and you'll get there eventually. If you make it to Europe you've gone too far.
If you go to the map, at least for me, the marker seems to point at nothing, but right above it is the lincoln memorial, clearly marked! So is the Jefferson Memorial.
I think it is a conservative conspiracy, they wanted people to walk past the Korean War monument (which is also clearly on the map). We kicked those commie's asses in that one! Hell Yeah!
There is this old fashioned thing called a paper map that is generally available for example on the National Park service web site:
http://www.nps.gov/mall/planyourvisit/maps.htm
Its a pdf and not subject to random edits. There are many places around Washington that sell both guidebooks and maps.
Trusting google is not needed, there are other ways to find out. I suspect that few who attend the rally would use google, preferring
the tried and true method. Of course once you find the mall. (Look for the Capitol, and go there, then walk west)
Does anyone actually think that Beck is not either 1: totally insane or 2: ripping off MLK's legacy with exactly the kind of people who would have beaten MLK to a pulp in 1963 for trying this the first time, or 3: 1+2?
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Is that me or when street viewing around the monuments especially the Jefferson memorial reminds me of Fallout 3 gameplay ? :)
The .fortune at the bottom of the page showing this story say:
Slashdot has achieved artificial intelligence. Or it's another part of the same conspiracy hiding the Lincoln Memorial from Beck's zombie army. Or both, since "reality has a well-known liberal bias" (- Stephen Colbert).
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This is America, we measure in "yards", or "football fields", and by football, I mean American football, not that wussy European round ball game.
Er, the phrase is "for all intents and purposes,..."
Since when would a Beck fan know how to use the Google?
If you search on 'Abraham Lincoln memorial' it gets you the the right spot. It's the one with the big statue of Abraham Lincoln sitting in a very large chair and a large crowd of brainless idiot sheep gathering early Saturday morning.
Something similar used to happen for searches on "Nationals Park." The location was marked correctly on the map, but searches returned a location closer to RFK stadium, where the Nationals used to play, but even that location was misplaced by 8-10 blocks. About a month ago, I reported the problem, and it has since been fixed. I suspect the Lincoln Memorial issue has more to do with an imperfect algorithm for assigning search terms than it does with any conspiracies.
Disclaimer: My political views are somewhere slightly right of middle.
He's tremendously wealthy and powerful and he loves pulling histrionic stunts like this. In case you haven't figured it out, he's having the rally on the same day and location as the MLK speech because it creates an opportunity to claim the race card is being played against him. He loves stuff like that. Whaaaa! They won't accept that it's just a coincidence! Whaaaaa! Anything to play the victim, get racists all worked up into a lather, and blab on and on about some conspiracy theory.
I wouldn't surprise if they did this.
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My theory is that the search feature relies on street addresses. The Lincoln Memorial doesn't have one, but the FDR Memorial does. The US Capitol doesn't have a street address either. If you search for it, the first hit is the nearby visitor's center. The second hit is on the building itself, but the title is in Chinese for some reason.
This seems to me as a straw man argument to imply that "conservatives are paranoid". There are two links listed. As far as I can tell, the one doesn't say anything about a conspiracy. The other link seems to be the craziest anti-leftest they could find, so he at least is depicted correctly. However, to say that Glenn Beck supporters are all conservative or that conservatives are paranoid is a bit of a stretch. I don't think many Beck supporters will even notice the Google map, as they probably all have a paper map somewhere.
Many of Beck's supporters wouldn't vote for a conservative or a Republican to save their lives. If you recall, before Fox picked him up, he was on CNN's Headline News which could in no way be thought of as conservative. The liberal station loved him then while he was bashing George Bush and Republicans. Now, the liberals are in power and he's countering environmentalism and socialism. This time, it's Fox who likes him and CNN that hates him, but his basic message is the same.
His detractors use ad-hominem attacks and straw man arguments to refute him. They say things like "He cries on TV!" and "His supporters are rednecks!", but very rarely have I heard any arguments against his message. I think that many people have trouble agreeing on what part of his message they don't like. For instance if they say they don't like him because he didn't support Bush or McCain, their friend might have liked that, but dislike that he doesn't support global warming legislation. It's so much easier to just attack the man and people who like him.
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The Lincoln Memorial is practically within eyesight of Rivet City. Err, wait, that's the Jefferson Memorial. The Lincoln one is where you clear those Slavers, remember? It's on The Mall, but watch out for Super Mutants and Feral Ghouls in the area since they might be a nuisance if you're low level.
The Republicans found that Google Maps was incorrect and scheduled the rally there to allow them to charge Google with conspiracy
The US government have made it clear that we have no inalienable rights; any we do not defend vigorously will be taken.
All Glenn Beck wants to do is speak to us about how immigrants are destroying the United States, and tell us that Muslims should move their prayer centers far away from important landmarks. It's just a coincidence that he'll be preaching from the pulpit previously occupied by Martin Luther King Jr. And it if happens to be on an awkward date, he's not responsible. Damned liberals and their control of the media, and now the internet. Always standing in the way of progress.
... Ever since I took his innocence anally a few months ago.
Yes -- he cried.
When Slashdot people asked, "Why does nobody care about the police using GPS tracking without a warrant?", keep in mind that Beck cared and opposed it on his show last Wednesday. Just an FYI.
He sells lots of books, gets a lot of money for a TV show and has many, many minions. Wait, how is he an idiot again?
Look, I have no use for the guy, but he's accomplishing more than you or me. We may not agree with what he's accomplishing, but that's irrelevant. I wish I had thought of it. *I* want minions, dammit! I need to find an underserviced fringe of my own to cater to.
You really think he believes half the shit he says? He's playing to the hyper-right niche. Same with Ann Coulter, or Michael Moore for a lefty example. They have targeted an audience and feed them what they want to hear. If Sarah Palin has any brain at all she'll just play the lecture circuit for the rest of her days and put out more books.
Oh, and people like him *LOVE* people like you. Your dislike and insults just play to his cause and give him legitimacy in the eyes of his target market.
That man is my hero. I remember when the first such kinds of scams began when Thomas Jefferson and Bejamin thought-up a style of Union known as The United States of America to be used to extinguish The 48 united States of America. It died in a fire around 1812, but nonetheless it was copycat as trademark onto all the coins and banknotes to this day forth.
Is that MOST people suck at it. Europeans like to laugh at Americans because they generally know the correct locations of more countries... Forgetting that America is bigger than Europe and knowing the correct locations of some states would be the same relative amount of knowledge. Their geography outside of that area is usually fairly limited. Most know where the US is since it is large and in the news a lot, but often little more.
For example I guy I chat with online from the UK had visited Brazil and was thinking of visiting the US. He wanted to know where various people he knew lived so he could decide if he was going to try and visit. I knew there was a good chance he didn't know where Arizona was since it doesn't make the news a lot (the new anti-immigration bill non-withstanding). So I told him it was "Just east of California, and just north of Mexico." He said that didn't help. I though he meant he didn't know where California was so I clarified. No, he didn't know where MEXICO was. He thought it was in Central America, near Brazil.
Thing is, geography is just kinda boring. It is route memorization, and not all that necessary to most people. This is even more true now, what with maps online and so easily accessible. If you need to know where something is, from a countries down to a street, it is easy to locate.
I also get a little tired of geography snobs because it is exceedingly rare that someone can properly locate all the countries in the world. Never mind the amount of time spent, most people lack a memory that accurate. So when people get snobby about parts of geography but can't do other parts, to me that is just saying "What I know is important, what everyone else knows isn't."
Must be the same.
And since they're quite obviously the type(*) who would want to attend Insane Glenn's meeting ...
(*) morons
He'd be a Democrat.
I got the same result searching for Jefferson Memorial. Maybe someone just really likes FDR and is trying to trick people into going there in general.
He's completely insane. He fucking cries on TV for nothing. And he's obviously the type of people who would have supported Hitler or any kind of authoritarian leader.
That's the current definition of "concervative" in the US. Most of his viewers probably define themselves this way.
Its in the right place now. Crisis over. Move along.
Let's face it - The "Big Picture" is that anyone that regularly follows Glenn Beck is already lost to Reality. What difference would a few miles make?
Mr. Beck's message is a potage of lies, distortions and half-truths, probably intended to enrich him, with much damage to America carelessly created as a side-effect of his wealth-seeking behavior.
He is an anti-intellectual buffoon who can't spell, can't make logical deductions, can't understand complexity, and knows nothing about science (including the scientific method, which underlies every step forward humankind has ever made). This ignorance and lack of ability doesn't keep him from doing a great job of selling his opinions, regardless of their lack of relevance to the actual facts.
He fits into Fx News perfectly, since his boss Rupert just had News Corp donate a million bucks to the Republican Party.
He has started the first national beat whitey day.
Would so many on slashdot dismiss it so easily if it were a gathering of Democrats, liberals, and progressives?
tea party = phoney left /right wing paradigm
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I was looking at the Google map of Helsinki not too long ago, and they'd labeled the Parliament as the Cathedral.
Seems fixed now though, but looking at pretty much any major city it seems there's a good number of labels that are off.
That, or you read/watch nothing else.
There are TONS of "arguments against his message" all OVER the place. Start off with "arguments against Glenn Beck" in Google, and go from there.
I would simply say that Glenn Beck is a grandstanding pseudoreligious douchebag, but the man is a frickin' GENIUS the way he has so completely suckered the gullible masses of the conservative right with his so-called "message".
I bet you bought his book, too!
-SS "Teach the ignorant, care for the dumb, and punish the stupid."
Just double checked it's moved again it's at the4 vietnam memorial - I'm not sure where that is - I have not been to Washington in a couple of decades
Before healthcare reform conservatives/right wingers were bitching and moaning about "poor/cheap/unemployed/lazy" uninsured people bringing down the system and raising costs for insured citizens because they can always get healthcare, insured or not. This bill forces them to get insurance.
This bill forces everyone to buy insurance whether they want to or not, and worse, forces them to buy it from a private third party under penalty of law. Not even the most extreme reading of the Commerce Clause justifies that, and I look forward to your excuses when SCOTUS throws the mandate out as unconstitutional.
If complaining right wingers really want to fix the problem, they should propose a law banning all healthcare for uninsured citizens who can't pay out of pocket. See how well that goes over.
If we really want to fix the problem... to the extent that it can be fixed... then we'll propose what we've proposed for years... for Congress to use the Commerce Clause in what is actually a productive, Constitutional manner and ban states from restricting interstate health insurance competition, which most of them do. This is one of the few issues where the states are wrong about the 10th Amendment. The states don't have a right to tell me I can't buy from a company in another state, and opening up a national market would mean national risk pools. Health insurance would then become more like car insurance. If car insurance were restricted by the states in the way that health insurance is, then no one could afford to drive either. There's a real market for auto insurance, though.
As for your concern about the poor, I might be moved more if I didn't suspect that your solution was probably "let the government handle it". You can help the poor without screwing the rights of everyone else, which this "reform" bill did. Further, this isn't an issue of "the poor", and never was. The poor have had access to paid healthcare for years. That's what Medicaid is, after all. In addition to that, most states have a program for uninsured children if you don't meet the poverty criteria but still have limited income. In Alabama it's called AlKids. The real issue is affordable health insurance for the not poor-and yet-not rich. Which *gasp!* a real market would go a long way towards helping.
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Isn't the anti-tea-party-at-the-Lincoln-Memorial kind of a tongue in cheek tit for the mosque-at-ground-zero tat?
This level of irony can't be coincidence.
*fade to dramatic fanfare*
This is actually to root out communists, as any real American will not need a map, anyone who visits the FDR Memorial is clearly a commie.
My conjecture: Most of the tea party folks got involved because the president doesn't look like them. And that scared the hell out of them.
Disprove that.
So you accuse your opponents of racism, and then put the burden of proof on them... all while posting AC.
You're anonymous, but you're also truly a coward. Disprove that.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
I was trying to get directions to my friend's house the other day and Google maps kept giving me directions to the Milwaukee Public Museum. The address was right, and it would consistently give me the same, incorrect destination.
Just a little anecdote. I can't disprove a conspiracy, but there may be a simpler explanation.
The actual instructions for Tea Partiers says to avoid the Blue and Orange lines past Eastern Market. They can get to Smithsonian Station just fine. But if they're on the Red Line to begin with, then Farragut North is the better station to exit from anyway - no time wasted transferring and it avoids the cramped conditions (and innumerable clueless tourists) at Smithsonian. The only downside is they'll have to walk past a small park with a few scary, possibly ethnic homeless people. On the plus side, and quite ironically, a block later they'll pass near the White House.
P.S. The closest Metro station to the Lincoln Memorial is actually Foggy Bottom on the Blue/Orange Lines. But that means walking through seven city blocks (full of unpatriotic city folk) rather than a scenic walk down the Mall.
pool, in his front yard, You know that Big White House! the reflecting pool in his front yard, then the Lincoln memorial.. duh
Everyone has to make a living including those spouting poisonous and false doctrines. But Beck is simply a less talented version of Rush Limbaugh. Rush is dangerous but at least he is funnier at times. Now if they can just dumb down the school kids a bit more the next generation might actually believe these monkeys.
There is no intent to stir FUD by Google Maps.
I actually live at the Grand Canyon and most of the lodges, the National Park Service's Visitor Center, their HQ, and other points of interest are incorrect. Unless you know what you are looking at from a satellite image, you might get it rong.
Its as simple as that.
That's the current definition of "concervative" in the US. Most of his viewers probably define themselves this way.
OK, prove your assertion. Specifically what makes Beck... or conservatives for that matter... racist? What makes him a nutjob? Be specific. You're making the accusations. The onus is on you to prove them.
If you don't agree with conservatism or don't like Beck, fine. But if you're going to accuse them of these things, man up and prove it. I see you've been modded informative when the only thing you've informed us is that you've made a bunch of accusations... some of them serious...without any citations.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
You know, you can submit map bug reports to Google, and they respond. I've fixed two already, and they've replied about a third.
But I suppose submitting a Slashdot non-story is more fun.
Oh, ya, that guy with clinical depression with a touch of megalomania.
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The location is now correct for the Lincoln Memorial. The photo is still of what you see from the monument, not the monument itself.
The truth shall set you free!
Not anymore. The current penny has a Union shield instead of the Lincoln memorial.
It also helps that Bethsoft is located in Maryland.
Beck's fans use Google Chalkboard rather than Google Maps.
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Just make sure you don't send them any old, copper pennies by mistake, or you'll be vulnerable to false advertising!
IIRC, the switchover was in 1982, and there were some of each minted that year.
I bet it is unexpectedly flooded by vast quantities of slightly saline clear fluid
Captcha is 'cuckoos' - how appropriate
Can anyone send me directions to the Nixon monument? I can't find it on Google maps, and I've been searching around the national mall for hours.
In case you didn't notice.
Lots of Interesting, Insightful and Funny comments here. Not a lot of Informative.
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So, what is the Postal Address for the Lincoln Memorial anyway?
Does it have it's own zip-code+4?
Don't you think...? Or don't you?
The email leader said:
"Just Where Is The Lincoln Memorial, Anyhow?
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posted by timothy on Friday August 27, @23:28 (Google)"
For those who are unaware, Glenn Beck is an Independent NOT a Republican and his Honor rally was NOT political.
The thing that people fail to understand in general about Glenn Beck is that he dislikes the Republicans as much as the Democrats. He provides historical context for the fundamental ideas on which the US was founded. Then he goes on to report on how our leaders measure up against those ideals. And for those who just discovered him, he did the same to Bush.
It's like branding christians as violent extremists because of what has happened in northern Ireland.
Aside from Ireland, Christians ARE violent extremists. (I suspect that is why they are so critical of Muslims.)
Let's see:
- Spanish Inquisition (ahem!)
- Holy Wars (WTF!)
- Forced modern-day conversion during 'chairity' work.
- Forced religious conversion by the sword (Constantine)
- Repression of women, even in religious services (Catholics)
- Intertanglement with political government. I have heard many Christian priests dictate to their congregation that particular political propositions be supported or rejected...
- Belief that their organizational leader is completely infallible. [Hence the above must have been sanctioned by God]
I generally support religious freedom. But if we decide to get rid of it, I hope all of Christianity and Islam are banned together.
As an aside, people think Scientologists are crazy, but are Christians any better? Look critically at the stories from the Bible. Look critically at what is believed to happen during consecreation (during mass)... Hey, if everyone believes it then everyone else must be insane!
As for me, i was raised Christian and executed in Christian schools...
He cries on TV while drawing absurd diagrams on a blackboard.
If he's not nuts, he plays one on TV pretty convincingly.
He once called a woman on his radio show to harass her by making fun of her for having had a miscarriage. Among other things. He's nuts, he's evil, he's religious. The word for it is spelled c-o-n-s-e-r-v-a-t-i-v-e.
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must be shot to avoid further damage to the human race.
If you drive, you HAVE to have some working knowledge of some geography. Most Americans drive, so most have sufficient working knowledge of geography. At least local knowledge. Also, I'll point of that to get a pilot's certificate, you only need to answer 70% of the questions right. There is always going to be some random/oops type errors in multiple answer questions. A result of 96% correct, could mean that EVERYONE can do it. Obviously not possible since >0% of people are blind/impared/what-ever. But a nice result.
From Heartbreak Ridge:
"One dark and gloomy night he said 'you're oh one and one.' No wins, one tie, one loss."
Korea was a tie. We didn't win.
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