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Just Where Is The Lincoln Memorial, Anyhow?
John3 writes "Searching Google Maps for the Lincoln Memorial is returning the location of the FDR Memorial instead. Conservative bloggers smell a conspiracy since Glenn Beck is holding his 'Restoring Honor' gathering at the Lincoln Memorial tomorrow (August 28). Notes for the map listing on Google state 'This place has unverified edits'; so, did someone claim the listing and edit the location?"
Holy fucking hell is that irritating.
REAL AMERICANS don't need a map to tell them where their landmarks are located. Anyone that needs to use google maps to locate this rally is a communist or socialist anyways.
Why the hell DOES it redirect to FDR memorial? http://www.google.com/search?q=lincoln+memorial
Looking at specific searches, searching for the Lincoln Memorial gets you the FDR Memorial, but searching for the Lincoln Monument gets you the Lincoln Memorial.
I would imagine that it's simply a matter of the word memorial being attributed to FDR more than Lincoln, for some reason.
Maybe this'll teach Glenn Beck to not piss off Google? :D
Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. But light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
The memorial is about half a km north west of what google maps highlights. Google maps has been far more wrong before...
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I have a relative that lives several miles from the Grand Canyon, and told me the story of a local who one day ran into a lost tourist, looking for that gorge. He gave the tourist directions, and the tourist asked, "how is it?" The local had to reply, "I don't know I've never been there. I've been planning to go one of these days....."
They talked for a bit and soon found out the tourist was from New York. The local said, "Oh, I've been there. I visited the statue of liberty." The New Yorker said, "Oh, yeah. I've been planning to go there one of these days....."
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Don't be a toolbox. Red State makes no mention of a conspiracy, and WTH is "Moonbats" anyway? A real leading conservative blog there. Beck is an entertainer, not a serious voice, yet so many on the left and right moon over him. The summary is just a another smear of conservatives, and since that fits your world view filled with hatred you consider it valid.
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Really, if a self-proclaimed conservative—a jingoistic, flag-lapel-pin-wearing, Go-America!-shouting patriot—a dyed-in-the-wool, red-blooded American doesn't know where the Lincoln Memorial is and can't remember a penny long enough to figure out what it looks like while in Washington, DC, he or she might as well give up right there and then, thrown down his or her misspelled, Obama-Iz-An-Atheest-Moslim-Commie-Crony-Of-Wall-Street-Not-Main-Street signs, exchange his or her copy of Going Rogue for a Socialist party membership card, and get in line to be shipped off to the FEMA internment camps, because some re-education is patently and sorely needed.
between the Lincoln memorial and the FDR memorial you have no business going to Washington DC.
However if you decide to go anyway, they do have still pre-printed maps checked for accuracy
that sell at any gas station or book store.
1. I don't live in Seattle and I need directions to the Pike Place market
2. I don't live in Orlando and I need directions to the Disney World Resort
3. I don't live in Arizona and I need directions to the Grand Canyon
FTFY
Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
Get off the Metro at Smithsonian. You're probably facing the Capital. Turn the fuck around and go straight.
Politics aside (Glen Beck is an idiot), this reeks of a dirty political trick. Without doubt many people here would be screaming bloody murder if the situation was reversed and it was a democratic party rally.
It's actually "Glenn"... not "Glen."
To the few people here who apparently believe paranoid conservative conspiracy theorists vandalized Google to obscure the location of this rally: are you completely insane?
I mean, follow the bouncing ball: you're so paranoid that you'd like to hide the location of a giant rally by desecrating Google maps, but you've scheduled said rally at a landmark so famous tens of millions could find it with no maps at all? And how are fellow paranoid conservatives supposed to find said rally? Does Glenn Beck's web page include coded directions, decipherable only by clues so small you'd never notice them if you hadn't read Ronald Reagan's autobiography twelve times?
You may think Glenn Beck listeners somewhat clinically paranoid and/or politically foolish, but you don't look any smarter, more rational, or less paranoid in believing them both smart enough and rationally motivated to vandalize the map but otherwise too stupid to tie their own shoes.
http://goo.gl/maps/MpJ6
Right on gmaps?
I smell a conspiracy to attempt to bring the US media's favorite vacuous ratings-boosting political flamewar to slashdot by dressing it up in a thin veil of tech.
If you look for the Jefferson Memorial, the same thing happens. The Washington Monument and the White House work fine though.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
Oh shit they're on to us. Come on guys, like we said at the last meeting of the Evil Liberals Who Hate Freedom League, you got to be more careful. Today it's the bloggers, tomorrow it'll appear in forwarded e-mails in 80 point comic sans font, then we're really screwed. Before you know it, they'll break out the ALL CAPS, which as we all know everything is absolutely and unquestionably true if it appears in ALL CAPS.
Also remember: we're forcing people to get gay married and buy health insurance, not hide the Lincoln Memorial. Stay on message guys.
Good thing we have the voice of reason here! I mean you only suggested the OP should be shot for a comment! That's very reasonable. Why would anyone want to stereotype conservatives?
You bring up another great point too. Why on a site that is "News for Nerds" would people mock creationists? It's just not fair! Teach the controversy!
If you can't find the Lincoln Memorial without a map,
you are too stupid to remember to breathe. Therefore, anybody
for whom this would be a problem will pass out before they
get there. Hopefully they won't be behind the wheel when it happens.
I'm not just saying this because I'm from that area. It's big.
The land around it is flat. There are nice views of it from everywhere.
Give me a break. Let's say a person is coming from San Francisco, and they've never been in DC before - are you seriously suggesting the intelligent thing for them to do is drive randomly around DC and hope to catch a glimpse of the Lincoln Memorial?
Have you ever heard the phrase that begins with "people who live in glass houses..."?
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Moonbat is a far left crazy, they've been using the term for about 10-12 years.
If you live in the US and/or have ever seen a picture of the National Mall, reflecting pool, Lincoln Memorial, Washington Monument or a map of DC, you'd know where the hell the Lincoln Memorial is.
It's not surprising. Google Louisville, KY and you'll find the city but you won't see it labeled.
With the way DC is designed, if you drive around randomly, you'll probably run right in to the National Mall. The Lincoln Memorial is that big building pictured on the penny. It's across a reflecting pond from the building that looks like the Washington Monument. Sort of in the vicinity of the capitol building, the White House, all of the tourists, and a bunch of Glenn Beck fans.
I might add that on the Google map that comes up when you search for "Lincoln Memorial" and get the wrong answer, there's a dot a short distance away labeled "Lincoln Memorial". It's that one.
I went to DC on a school trip in 8th grade, and I didn't even know there was an FDR memorial. (Of course, this was a tightly structured and scheduled trip, so that'd probably be why.)
That aside, there's one little feature of Street View that blew my mind just now.
While you're around the Tidal Basin, drag the little Street View man out of his home on the little toolbar. You'll notice that there are a lot of single spots around the area. These are user-contributed images--and, since several are in the Tidal Basin itself, probably user-positioned as well.
Anyway, drag the little man to the southernmost spot wholly in the Tidal Basin. You'll see it's not actually a picture from the Tidal Basin, it's a picture of the Jefferson Memorial from the west side, across the water. Now, here's the cool part.
See that dot on the Memorial you get when you mouse over? Click it.
It warps you to another image of the Memorial from a similar angle. From this point, you can warp to four images.
It might just be because it's late, but it sure blew my mind. (Especially if it's computer-generated linking.)
Entertainers worry themselves with ratings. The fact that Fox News spends a chunk of their time bragging about their own ratings, says everything.
Glenn Beck is a national talk show host, trying to encourage out-of-towners to go to his rally this weekend. That's why this Google flaw is relevant to geeks nationally... it's showing how a political event can be disrupted by those who disagree with the event's sponsor with a simple misinformation attack on Google Maps.
Know that it is the Washington MONUMENT. And that if you search google maps for the Washington Monument, it points right at it.
The Washington Monument was started while Washington was still alive, thus, it is a monument, NOT a memorial.
-Rick
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
Even If they have the best directions in the world they still wouldn't make it to the rally in time. That Beltway traffic is ridiculous. It is a conspiracy perpetrated by the road workers.
Heh, late night posting. I totally missread that as the Washington, not Lincoln. Oddly enough though, searching for the Lincoln Monument points to the correct place, even though it is a memorial.
Weird. And Sorry for my missreading ;)
-Rick
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
Google tries to stay out of politics. Glenn Beck is getting the message not to piss off those who contribute to Wikis.
If you go to the map, at least for me, the marker seems to point at nothing, but right above it is the lincoln memorial, clearly marked! So is the Jefferson Memorial.
I think it is a conservative conspiracy, they wanted people to walk past the Korean War monument (which is also clearly on the map). We kicked those commie's asses in that one! Hell Yeah!
It took me 18 years of living in NYC before I finally went to visit the Statue of Liberty.
I was going for Funny there.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
If you drive around randomly, you'll probably end up in a random traffic jam.
Tell it to the parent! I'm not the one that lumped the two together as I whined about being treated unfairly.
The .fortune at the bottom of the page showing this story say:
Slashdot has achieved artificial intelligence. Or it's another part of the same conspiracy hiding the Lincoln Memorial from Beck's zombie army. Or both, since "reality has a well-known liberal bias" (- Stephen Colbert).
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Let's say a person is coming from San Francisco...
Come on now, it's pretty unlikely that any communist homosexuals would be coming to a Glenn Beck rally.
Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
Only Libertarian keyboard commandos believe in rights, amirite?
Er, the phrase is "for all intents and purposes,..."
And there's that again. Not one single time in a decade on forums have I ever pointed out that people are assholes to conservatives and creationists without everyone instantly assuming I was one and merely pissed off about being personally attacked. I am not either, sir, I'm just tired of the stupid, preening self-righteousness that slashdot has in abundance. And your cute sarcastic response is, at very best, the pot calling the kettle black.
Since when would a Beck fan know how to use the Google?
"it's showing how a political event can be disrupted by those who disagree with the event's sponsor with a simple misinformation"
Glenn Beck fans cannot be fooled by simple misinformation, they have no need for geographical facts, their gut instincts will lead them directly to the rally.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
They aren't nearly as bad as Linux users though, All of those guys are a bunch of nutters. Unix forever!
Wow. Put a label on someone and then you can treat them as sub-human. You're well on your way.
There's still a big difference between knowing where somewhere is on a map and actually getting to that location when you're on the ground in a possibly unfamiliar area.
The Statue of Liberty trip is practically an in-joke among New Yorkers. Many (most?) New Yorkers have never been to it, though everybody can see it when you're driving around the bottom of the FDR or West Side Highway. I actually have a beautiful view of it from my living room (I live right on the Hudson River), and have never actually taken the ferry to the Statue of Liberty proper, though I once took a ferry trip to Ellis Island, and that boat took us around the Statue for a fairly close look.
The lines to take the ferry to Liberty Island are ridiculously long on weekends (like 3-4 hours), I walk by them every weekend on my morning walks through Battery Park, so unless you have a weekday off in the city, it actually takes as long to go to the Statue of Liberty as it does to drive to Boston.
Same reason I've never been to the top of the Empire State Building - ridiculous lines.
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Fascism trolls keeping me up every night. When I starts a preachin', he HITS ME WITH HIS REICH!
Unlike the Panthers of Philly who intimidate voters, unlike the protesters at G-8 who smash and break things. You are a moron. I thought the Tea Parties were a bunch of red neck hicks until I actually attended one. You know what I found out, sure there were red neck hicks there, but probably less than 5% of the crowd were Hicks, but the rest were what you would consider hard working middle class folks. They left the rally or Tea Party in almost the same shape or cleaner that it was before they held it there, the people picked up the trash. I have been to rallies where a bunch people mostly of the liberal persuasion who left the place a complete and utter mess. Yeah, why don't you do a search on how many people get arrested at a Tea Party compared to any protest event held by people on the far left. Gee, The lawbreaking scum that are the Anarachists are pissed about the tea party because they make them look bad and expose them as the miserable human beings they are. That is why there is so much animosity against them.
My theory is that the search feature relies on street addresses. The Lincoln Memorial doesn't have one, but the FDR Memorial does. The US Capitol doesn't have a street address either. If you search for it, the first hit is the nearby visitor's center. The second hit is on the building itself, but the title is in Chinese for some reason.
No neither Wolf Blitzer nor Chris Matthews are "mainstream" news.
NBC Nightly News would be considered "mainstream" and it receives 10m viewers (3x as many).
I would say the "Mainstream Media" is:
NBC Nightly News, NPR, BBC World Service, US News and World Report, Newsweek and The New York Times.
This seems to me as a straw man argument to imply that "conservatives are paranoid". There are two links listed. As far as I can tell, the one doesn't say anything about a conspiracy. The other link seems to be the craziest anti-leftest they could find, so he at least is depicted correctly. However, to say that Glenn Beck supporters are all conservative or that conservatives are paranoid is a bit of a stretch. I don't think many Beck supporters will even notice the Google map, as they probably all have a paper map somewhere.
Many of Beck's supporters wouldn't vote for a conservative or a Republican to save their lives. If you recall, before Fox picked him up, he was on CNN's Headline News which could in no way be thought of as conservative. The liberal station loved him then while he was bashing George Bush and Republicans. Now, the liberals are in power and he's countering environmentalism and socialism. This time, it's Fox who likes him and CNN that hates him, but his basic message is the same.
His detractors use ad-hominem attacks and straw man arguments to refute him. They say things like "He cries on TV!" and "His supporters are rednecks!", but very rarely have I heard any arguments against his message. I think that many people have trouble agreeing on what part of his message they don't like. For instance if they say they don't like him because he didn't support Bush or McCain, their friend might have liked that, but dislike that he doesn't support global warming legislation. It's so much easier to just attack the man and people who like him.
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The Lincoln Memorial is practically within eyesight of Rivet City. Err, wait, that's the Jefferson Memorial. The Lincoln one is where you clear those Slavers, remember? It's on The Mall, but watch out for Super Mutants and Feral Ghouls in the area since they might be a nuisance if you're low level.
Put a label on someone and then you can treat them as sub-human
Really? Is that one of the new rules?
Thats awesome, Im totally going to walk around with a bunch of those "Hello My Name is ..." labels. When I find someone who I think should be treated as sub-human I'll just stick one of those on their foreheads.
The Republicans found that Google Maps was incorrect and scheduled the rally there to allow them to charge Google with conspiracy
The US government have made it clear that we have no inalienable rights; any we do not defend vigorously will be taken.
Being as these are Glenn Beck followers... what do you get when you type "linkin memoral" ?
The 60s as in "well after the southern strategy started" - besides, it's not what party they're from, it's what ideology they espouse.
How could you tell? Oh, that's right. They don't wear the white hoods during the daytime.
The eternal struggle of good vs. evil begins within one's self.
Good thing we have the voice of reason here! I mean you only suggested the OP should be shot for a comment!
No. A comment rating. That's serious business. Just think of how much better the world would be, if we put bullets in everyone who modded my trolls, "troll -1".
You do realize that they aren't censoring Chinese search results, right?
They were originally, like everyone else, but currently they are not. Google.cn just links you back to Google.hk for searches, and Google.hk is unfiltered. You still have to contend with with the Great Firewall, of course, so having uncensored results doesn't mean you can access censored material -- but at least you know what you aren't being allowed to see.
You are comparing apples to oranges there.
The NBC nightly news is one half hour while Fox News, CNN, MSNBC do a three hour block.
For the week of August 2nd, “ABC World News with Diane Sawyer” averaged 6.85 million Total Viewers and a 1.5/7 among Adults 25-54, according to Nielsen Media Research. “World News” topped “NBC Nightly News” by 90,000 Total Viewers on Friday, August 6. The total viewing gap between “World News” and “NBC Nightly News” shrank to the smallest margin of the season, and the demo gap was the smallest since the week of May 31.
So the NBC Nightly News got 6.76 million viewers over a half hour.
The cable channels get in prime time on a weeknight in the summer
FNC – 2,095,000 viewers
CNN – 568,000 viewers
MSNBC –832,000 viewers
CNBC – 181,000 viewers
HLN – 457,000 viewers
The mainstream TV media in the US I would say NBC/ABC(w/ESPN)/CBS/FOX/MSNBC/CNN. PBS and BBC are secondary and in the case of the BBC for American audiences very niche.
For radio media, NBC/CBS/ABC/ESPN for all things sports/NPR
For print, Time/Newsweek/US News, NYT, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal - NYT, WaPo, WSJ are your three "newspapers of record" in the US. In five years, Time/Newsweek/US News on dead tree will be gone.
He sells lots of books, gets a lot of money for a TV show and has many, many minions. Wait, how is he an idiot again?
Look, I have no use for the guy, but he's accomplishing more than you or me. We may not agree with what he's accomplishing, but that's irrelevant. I wish I had thought of it. *I* want minions, dammit! I need to find an underserviced fringe of my own to cater to.
You really think he believes half the shit he says? He's playing to the hyper-right niche. Same with Ann Coulter, or Michael Moore for a lefty example. They have targeted an audience and feed them what they want to hear. If Sarah Palin has any brain at all she'll just play the lecture circuit for the rest of her days and put out more books.
Oh, and people like him *LOVE* people like you. Your dislike and insults just play to his cause and give him legitimacy in the eyes of his target market.
Your correct the article that said they started censoring was later updated my bad
Which happens to be located in New Jersey.
I finally went to Crater Lake this year after living in Oregon for 14 years. Admittedly, it is a five-hour-plus drive.
...the future crusty old bastards are already drinking the Kool-Aid.
Is that MOST people suck at it. Europeans like to laugh at Americans because they generally know the correct locations of more countries... Forgetting that America is bigger than Europe and knowing the correct locations of some states would be the same relative amount of knowledge. Their geography outside of that area is usually fairly limited. Most know where the US is since it is large and in the news a lot, but often little more.
For example I guy I chat with online from the UK had visited Brazil and was thinking of visiting the US. He wanted to know where various people he knew lived so he could decide if he was going to try and visit. I knew there was a good chance he didn't know where Arizona was since it doesn't make the news a lot (the new anti-immigration bill non-withstanding). So I told him it was "Just east of California, and just north of Mexico." He said that didn't help. I though he meant he didn't know where California was so I clarified. No, he didn't know where MEXICO was. He thought it was in Central America, near Brazil.
Thing is, geography is just kinda boring. It is route memorization, and not all that necessary to most people. This is even more true now, what with maps online and so easily accessible. If you need to know where something is, from a countries down to a street, it is easy to locate.
I also get a little tired of geography snobs because it is exceedingly rare that someone can properly locate all the countries in the world. Never mind the amount of time spent, most people lack a memory that accurate. So when people get snobby about parts of geography but can't do other parts, to me that is just saying "What I know is important, what everyone else knows isn't."
Chill man, smoke some bud. You wanna shoot a bad mod? That's what m2 is for, try doing some if you want to contribute. Otherwise there's little need for further self-righteous judgment.
I got the same result searching for Jefferson Memorial. Maybe someone just really likes FDR and is trying to trick people into going there in general.
He's completely insane. He fucking cries on TV for nothing. And he's obviously the type of people who would have supported Hitler or any kind of authoritarian leader.
That's the current definition of "concervative" in the US. Most of his viewers probably define themselves this way.
Um, people *are* going to be forced to buy health insurance, per the Democrats' gift-to-the-private-health-care-industry-in-the-guise-of-health-care-reform plan.
Property is theft.
Glen Beck (Who I agree has gone kinda crazy over the past couple of years... he was much more subdued when he was on CNN) IS part of the mainstream. He's got one of the highest ratings on television right now. He may not be popular in the /. community but he certainly is mainstream in large parts of the country. It really is too bad though, the Tea Party movement was a good thing until establishment republicans got involved. Watch the "Bullshit" episode on taxes to see what they were like before republicans hijacked the movement.
Let's face it - The "Big Picture" is that anyone that regularly follows Glenn Beck is already lost to Reality. What difference would a few miles make?
Before healthcare reform conservatives/right wingers were bitching and moaning about "poor/cheap/unemployed/lazy" uninsured people bringing down the system and raising costs for insured citizens because they can always get healthcare, insured or not. This bill forces them to get insurance. If complaining right wingers really want to fix the problem, they should propose a law banning all healthcare for uninsured citizens who can't pay out of pocket. See how well that goes over.
Tired of being "punished" by the Slashdot $rtbl since 2002. I'm now over at http://soylentnews.org/ .
Nah, they just put them on trailers to have some sort of memorial-parade or something driving them 'round the country.
Lived in San Antonio for 21 years, went to the Alamo once. Lived in Austin for 10 more years, went to the Alamo once more when some relatives came from California to visit my mom. The Riverwalk, and the mall two blocks away from the Alamo, are much more visited by the locals. I've even eaten in the restaurant at the top of Hemisfair Tower three times. On the other hand, I've driven past the Alamo plenty of times, since it's along a downtown street that you take to leave the mall, which you can't exactly do with the Statue of Liberty.
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You should stop by the ESB on a week day evening sometime, especially on a clear though not particularly warm autumn night, and the lines will be almost non-existent. I avoided it for years until finally having a friend talk me into going up and we were up there in minutes. It's a bit chilly, but I wouldn't want to hang up there very long anyways. The views are stunning.
The Democrats of the 60s who wanted to beat Martin Luther King into a pulp became Republicans. They and the ones who joined them are the Republicans of today. Just as the Republicans of the 1860s who abolished slavery are ancient history.
Aveda King is there to explain to Beck's zombie army that abortion is murder, even though it isn't, and is instead a protected civil right.
You Republicans even hate Jews, otherwise why mention John Stewart's non stage name. Some things evidently don't change.
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king of the cable news market? that's like being the biggest fish in a bucket.
Snowden and Manning are heroes.
More details on how Alveda King says gay marriage is genocide, and other insane Christian Taliban talk that Martin Luther King would denounce. The woman is obviously a fraud, scamming along on her famous uncle without any merit of her own - the ultimate bigot:
The niece is clearly riding more "the color of her skin" than "the content of her character", spitting on her uncle's legacy.
There's also details on how Beck scammed a nonprofit into paying for this travesty event, while Beck keeps all the profits. You Republicans are such suckers, the only surprise is that you have any money left after you sank it all into a decade of Bush/Cheney like a bonfire.
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That, or you read/watch nothing else.
There are TONS of "arguments against his message" all OVER the place. Start off with "arguments against Glenn Beck" in Google, and go from there.
I would simply say that Glenn Beck is a grandstanding pseudoreligious douchebag, but the man is a frickin' GENIUS the way he has so completely suckered the gullible masses of the conservative right with his so-called "message".
I bet you bought his book, too!
-SS "Teach the ignorant, care for the dumb, and punish the stupid."
The statue crown was closed after 9/11, and IIRC was just reopened this year. They only allow 240 visitors a day, and tickets sell out early in the morning. The pedestal was closed from 9/11 to 2004. Liberty Island itself only closed for a few months at the end of 2001, but it definitely is open to tourists now (I've seen the lines myself).
Before healthcare reform conservatives/right wingers were bitching and moaning about "poor/cheap/unemployed/lazy" uninsured people bringing down the system and raising costs for insured citizens because they can always get healthcare, insured or not. This bill forces them to get insurance.
This bill forces everyone to buy insurance whether they want to or not, and worse, forces them to buy it from a private third party under penalty of law. Not even the most extreme reading of the Commerce Clause justifies that, and I look forward to your excuses when SCOTUS throws the mandate out as unconstitutional.
If complaining right wingers really want to fix the problem, they should propose a law banning all healthcare for uninsured citizens who can't pay out of pocket. See how well that goes over.
If we really want to fix the problem... to the extent that it can be fixed... then we'll propose what we've proposed for years... for Congress to use the Commerce Clause in what is actually a productive, Constitutional manner and ban states from restricting interstate health insurance competition, which most of them do. This is one of the few issues where the states are wrong about the 10th Amendment. The states don't have a right to tell me I can't buy from a company in another state, and opening up a national market would mean national risk pools. Health insurance would then become more like car insurance. If car insurance were restricted by the states in the way that health insurance is, then no one could afford to drive either. There's a real market for auto insurance, though.
As for your concern about the poor, I might be moved more if I didn't suspect that your solution was probably "let the government handle it". You can help the poor without screwing the rights of everyone else, which this "reform" bill did. Further, this isn't an issue of "the poor", and never was. The poor have had access to paid healthcare for years. That's what Medicaid is, after all. In addition to that, most states have a program for uninsured children if you don't meet the poverty criteria but still have limited income. In Alabama it's called AlKids. The real issue is affordable health insurance for the not poor-and yet-not rich. Which *gasp!* a real market would go a long way towards helping.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
Isn't the anti-tea-party-at-the-Lincoln-Memorial kind of a tongue in cheek tit for the mosque-at-ground-zero tat?
This level of irony can't be coincidence.
*fade to dramatic fanfare*
Google tries to stay out of politics.
As another poster pointed out with the China angle, your statement is laughable, sir. It would be more accurate to say that Google tries to downplay politics, but the company is neck-deep in politics every day.
Glenn Beck is getting the message not to piss off those who contribute to Wikis.
We're all getting the message that some Wiki contributors are throwing a temper tantrum because Glenn Beck is, horror of horrors, holding an assembly in front of the Lincoln Memorial. You know, like other people have been doing for years. What a crime, eh?
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
Glenn Beck fans cannot be fooled by simple misinformation, they have no need for geographical facts, their gut instincts will lead them directly to the rally.
I imagine they'll simply have enough sense to ask for directions.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
This is actually to root out communists, as any real American will not need a map, anyone who visits the FDR Memorial is clearly a commie.
I was trying to get directions to my friend's house the other day and Google maps kept giving me directions to the Milwaukee Public Museum. The address was right, and it would consistently give me the same, incorrect destination.
Just a little anecdote. I can't disprove a conspiracy, but there may be a simpler explanation.
The actual instructions for Tea Partiers says to avoid the Blue and Orange lines past Eastern Market. They can get to Smithsonian Station just fine. But if they're on the Red Line to begin with, then Farragut North is the better station to exit from anyway - no time wasted transferring and it avoids the cramped conditions (and innumerable clueless tourists) at Smithsonian. The only downside is they'll have to walk past a small park with a few scary, possibly ethnic homeless people. On the plus side, and quite ironically, a block later they'll pass near the White House.
P.S. The closest Metro station to the Lincoln Memorial is actually Foggy Bottom on the Blue/Orange Lines. But that means walking through seven city blocks (full of unpatriotic city folk) rather than a scenic walk down the Mall.
pool, in his front yard, You know that Big White House! the reflecting pool in his front yard, then the Lincoln memorial.. duh
Everyone has to make a living including those spouting poisonous and false doctrines. But Beck is simply a less talented version of Rush Limbaugh. Rush is dangerous but at least he is funnier at times. Now if they can just dumb down the school kids a bit more the next generation might actually believe these monkeys.
That's the current definition of "concervative" in the US. Most of his viewers probably define themselves this way.
OK, prove your assertion. Specifically what makes Beck... or conservatives for that matter... racist? What makes him a nutjob? Be specific. You're making the accusations. The onus is on you to prove them.
If you don't agree with conservatism or don't like Beck, fine. But if you're going to accuse them of these things, man up and prove it. I see you've been modded informative when the only thing you've informed us is that you've made a bunch of accusations... some of them serious...without any citations.
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This bill forces them to get insurance.
Yes, and us right-wingers will still complain about healthcare reform, because forcing people to buy insurance doesn't reform the healthcare industry, it gives money to the insurance companies. For a lot of people, the cost of healthcare insurance is so high, that it is crippling. Before I cancelled my policy at work, I was paying $800 a month for insurance. Of course, with copayments and coinsurance, if we went to the doctor, we would still owe another hundred dollars or more still. So we cancelled the insurance, and just pay for the doctor out of pocket. When you look at the cost of paying out of pocket versus paying the premiums and the coinsurances and copayments, it is cheaper to pay out of pocket. Unless you are a genuinely unhealthy person who has a lot of doctors bills, of course. But that is not what insurance is for. Insurance is for "what if", not the unfortunate reality of a health condition.
If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
You know, you can submit map bug reports to Google, and they respond. I've fixed two already, and they've replied about a third.
But I suppose submitting a Slashdot non-story is more fun.
Oh, ya, that guy with clinical depression with a touch of megalomania.
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The location is now correct for the Lincoln Memorial. The photo is still of what you see from the monument, not the monument itself.
The truth shall set you free!
Not anymore. The current penny has a Union shield instead of the Lincoln memorial.
Not only that but I think you have to put in reservations for a spot to the crown on the Statue of Liberty many months ahead.
I was there a couple days after they reopened it around 4th of July and asked the park ranger about it, he laughed and said the waiting period is many months(8+) and growing. So you have to put in for a spot to get up there, but there is another lower platform spot below her that is accessable and I think that is the one they only give 240 tickets per day.
Mehhh thats what its like at any national park or famous monument from having to get a spot for Half Dome 8 months ahead to the Washington Monument having to get on the waiting list; the only thing that irks me is that foreigners get just as equal access as Americans.
I think Americans should get first pickings at spots and than foreign tourist can go second, that was the one thing that pissed me off when I got there with my family is the huge Chinese tour groups who have representatives who buy up all the reserved spots.
Beck's fans use Google Chalkboard rather than Google Maps.
"We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers." Carl Sagan
Before healthcare reform conservatives/right wingers were bitching and moaning about "poor/cheap/unemployed/lazy" uninsured people bringing down the system and raising costs for insured citizens because they can always get healthcare, insured or not. This bill forces them to get insurance.
If complaining right wingers really want to fix the problem, they should propose a law banning all healthcare for uninsured citizens who can't pay out of pocket. See how well that goes over.
Well that's why conservatives don't like it, because whether you are "poor/cheap/unemployed/lazy" or not doesn't mean the government should be forcing you to buy a product or service. Which is what they are doing. We are a FREE nation and we have the right of freedom of choice.
If the decisions an individual makes over the course of their lives leads them to a state where they are poor, unemployed and without health insurance, that's THEIR OWN DAMN FAULT and it's not my job or my responsibility to provide for them. If I choose to do so on my own, then that is my decision. But I should have the choice.
I thought Liberty Island is/was closed for tours after 9/11*. Has it opened again?
Yes. Old news. Is it really so hard to enter 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty' into a browser?
I've lived in Seattle for almost 20 years and just recently visited the Space Needle. But that was only because a friend's wedding was there.
There are a huge number of yeast infections in this county. Probably because we're downriver from the bread factory.
That's an interesting observation, but I suspect that if anything like that did happen with something more mainstream that it wouldn't be nearly as notable and nobody would be spinning conspiracy theories about it.
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A moonbat refers to the followers of Reverend Sun Myung Moon, the guy who supported Nixon during Watergate, went to prison for filing false taxes, has presided over mass weddings of his followers and fittingly enough founded the Washington Times. I lean conservative so don't take this as a "smear" but if you don't know the history of this guy you should stop worrying about scary liberals and realize any time people blindly follow people, whether it's Beck or Obama or whoever, they put themselves in a position to be manipulated.
It's still open? I haven't been up for over a decade.
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Forcing them to get insurance? That's a great idea. Take it a step further but invert the idea. Ban all health insurance period. Then, when the insurance companies disappear and aren't paying the current high costs (which they currently negotiate down in private agreements due to their collective bargaining power), and the people setting the costs receive no business since no one can afford the current prices, the providers will HAVE to lower prices across the board to have a hope of attracting any business that has a realistic expectation of paying.
Net result? Prices come down and the same thing happens: most people will be able to afford health care and a segment of the population still won't be able to afford it. The percentages will change some, but probably not too drastically. If people can't afford $100 a month a prescription, they won't be able to afford $100 a month for insurance that reduces the copay of a prescription to $10. I base the dollar amounts on the rates I paid at previous jobs.
Not when it is across a reflecting pool from a giant white spike surrounded by open land.
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Same problem with the Sears Tower. I took my kids up there, on a weekday. The line was out the door and out onto the sidewalk. We waited in line for about 45 minutes before getting to the front and the elevator took us down to line number two, the line to get tickets. That was another 45 minutes. The ticket prices were outrageous, too. Then after that line, there was about a 45 minute line to wait for the elevator to take us up to the top. By the time we actually got up there, the kids were in no mood to look around and I don't blame them. I had to force them to spend about 15 minutes up there looking around.
We had planned to spend the day in Chicago visiting multiple sites like Navy Pier, Water Tower Place, and other stuff, but instead we spent 3 hours waiting in line at the Sears Tower, ate a late lunch, and went home.
If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
Um, people *are* going to be forced to buy health insurance, per the Democrats' gift-to-the-private-health-care-industry-in-the-guise-of-health-care-reform plan.
Jeeze, the Dems can't win, can they? They're damned for trying to offer a public option for insurance as commie socialist freedom haters, and when the Republicans block it, they're damned for the only compromise they can get through, mandated private health insurance, as corporate whoring freedom haters.
That's the kicker. You are providing for them already with higher healthcare costs to subsidize those who can't pay.
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That all sounds great on paper until you get some devastating and expensive to treat disease like cancer or have a car accident that puts you in a wheelchair for the rest of your life. Most people don't have $100K-$1M lying around. The end result: only the wealthy will survive bad illnesses or be rehabilitated after accidents. Instead of showing your insurance card when going to the hospital, you can bring your bank statements and credit report.
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The reality of insurance is that you have to have a pool of healthy people to support it. Naturally, if it's all sick people, the model will fail. All people, even those who are perfectly healthy right now, get sick sooner or later and need care. You're a liability to the system because you cancelled your health insurance. Now if you get a severe illness, hospitals have to treat you. If you don't pay out of pocket, people like me who pay for health insurance have to subsidize your care.
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Can anyone send me directions to the Nixon monument? I can't find it on Google maps, and I've been searching around the national mall for hours.
That's an interesting observation, but I suspect that if anything like that did happen with something more mainstream that it wouldn't be nearly as notable and nobody would be spinning conspiracy theories about it.
Right or wrong, the reason for that is easy to sum up: since when did anyone firmly within the mainstream with a very large national audience ever advocate anything like a small-government libertarian (lower-case 'l') position?
Instead you find people like Hannity who talk a big game about freedom but have a million passionate excuses for abdicating it anytime there's talk about a terrorist threat.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
I had to re-read your last sentence to make sure you weren't saying that Glenn Beck is embraced by the mainstream. Because if you were (and if, somehow, that were true) I would weep for my countrymen. And then I'd slap the shit outta 'em.
It's trendy to hate on people like Glenn Beck precisely because they are a bit more genuine. Beck is more likely to tell his audience what he really believes. The fact that people like you so strongly dislike him and look down your nose at him is proof that he's not altering his message to be as agreeable as possible and please as many people as possible. That's a good thing. No one should bow down and kiss your ass like that and anyone who does that is a phony, not that you'd care because the illusion is that they are serving you by so doing.
The average news anchor is more likely to tell his audience whatever is written on the teleprompter. Whatever that is comes from an organization and is based on what is good for that organization. It might be based on polls, market research, an undisclosed agenda, or a political desire to emphasize some things and deemphasize others. It is not an individual's honest perspective.
I for one can get over my disagreements with Beck's politics and appreciate this difference. It wouldn't matter if I disagreed with every position he has ever taken. I'd still want to see more figures in media who do things this way.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
Does not follow.
There are lots of individuals out there with lots of poorly researched conspiracy theories. (The earth is flat, faked moon landings, etc.) They tell their audiences what they really believe, regardless of trying to please as many people as possible. Some even offer "proof" and "independent research." Is that still a good thing? Sure, it's freedom of speech; and sure, people have the right to buy into it if they choose. Some do, because it's easier to just accept it and follow the rest of the sheep than it is to do the research for yourself. If more and more Americans bought into a flat-earth theory because it was explained in a way that made sense to them using a white board and lots of gesticulating, do I still get to weep for my countrymen? I should hope so.
I choose to get the occasional political commentary from Rachel Maddow and Jon Stewart, the twice a month I care to look for it.
By the way, I should be thanking you for posting so late in the game; because of your comment I happened to see my "-1 troll" mod, the first time I think I've ever received that distinguished honor.
In case you didn't notice.
Lots of Interesting, Insightful and Funny comments here. Not a lot of Informative.
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So, what is the Postal Address for the Lincoln Memorial anyway?
Does it have it's own zip-code+4?
Don't you think...? Or don't you?
The Democrats are still damned by the Republicans for their "compromise", which is so pathetic, so serving of the industry it's supposed to be reforming, that I doubt a Republican administration could have got away with passing it. Only a Democratic administration could have convinced Democrats to hallucinate victory in the face of such defeat.
The Democrats are "corporate whoring freedom haters", as you put it, so I hardly care if they can't catch a break.
Property is theft.
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For those who are unaware, Glenn Beck is an Independent NOT a Republican and his Honor rally was NOT political.
The thing that people fail to understand in general about Glenn Beck is that he dislikes the Republicans as much as the Democrats. He provides historical context for the fundamental ideas on which the US was founded. Then he goes on to report on how our leaders measure up against those ideals. And for those who just discovered him, he did the same to Bush.
It's like branding christians as violent extremists because of what has happened in northern Ireland.
Aside from Ireland, Christians ARE violent extremists. (I suspect that is why they are so critical of Muslims.)
Let's see:
- Spanish Inquisition (ahem!)
- Holy Wars (WTF!)
- Forced modern-day conversion during 'chairity' work.
- Forced religious conversion by the sword (Constantine)
- Repression of women, even in religious services (Catholics)
- Intertanglement with political government. I have heard many Christian priests dictate to their congregation that particular political propositions be supported or rejected...
- Belief that their organizational leader is completely infallible. [Hence the above must have been sanctioned by God]
I generally support religious freedom. But if we decide to get rid of it, I hope all of Christianity and Islam are banned together.
As an aside, people think Scientologists are crazy, but are Christians any better? Look critically at the stories from the Bible. Look critically at what is believed to happen during consecreation (during mass)... Hey, if everyone believes it then everyone else must be insane!
As for me, i was raised Christian and executed in Christian schools...
Are you talking Sean Hannity? *shudder* I just watched when he interviewed Jesse Ventura, and it was kind of funny.
Jesse was the best thing to happen to MN for a long time. He isn't much of a fan of government, but he's also a big believer in pragmatism and using the tool that's there. Minneapolis has a fantastically successful light rail line because of Jesse. One it needed for years, but nobody had the gumption to put in.
I'm reluctant to call myself a small 'l' libertarian anymore. I do think government needs to be vastly smaller. But I also think it needs to be much more effective at its job. I think the free market can frequently fail because large companies wield so much power. And I also think it can fall into local minima and need a kick in the pants in order to jump out and find even more efficient solutions, for example reliance on non-renewable energy sources. And I think the environment is an unrealized externality in so much of our economic activity and that needs to change in a big way.
I would like a government that's much smaller, and regulates by tweaking free market forces into pushing companies towards desired behavior instead of trying to forbid or regulate it directly.
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This bill forces them to get insurance
And yet, does nothing to ensure insurance is available to them. Get a "pre-existing" condition in there and poof. No insurance for you.
The Insurance Company Revitalization Act won't accomplish a damned thing.
Considering that the "compromise" pretty much inverted the stated intention of the bill, damning them for it is entirely warranted. They needed to appease their stupid cheerleaders, so they adopted the flawed "doing something is better than doing nothing" philosophy, even though they were wrong. Doing nothing would have been better than what they did.
He cries on TV while drawing absurd diagrams on a blackboard.
If he's not nuts, he plays one on TV pretty convincingly.
He once called a woman on his radio show to harass her by making fun of her for having had a miscarriage. Among other things. He's nuts, he's evil, he's religious. The word for it is spelled c-o-n-s-e-r-v-a-t-i-v-e.
There's somewhere between 34-45 million people of 300+ million people without health insurance now, according to the census data website. Even with health insurance, treatments for conditions like Cancer and/or rehabilitation goes way over the $250k per sickness/per year that most people have. If the health insurance was abolished, most people, barring the 5-10% of truly rich, wouldn't be able to pay today's listed prices. Costs would HAVE to come down for the medical providers to not lose out on that other 75% of their business.
Would there be this horrible period of price adjustment? Oh, sure. It'd be painful (literally) for a while. But for businesses not to fail, prices several steps up the cost chain, such as R&D, marketing, distribution, personnel wages, cost of student loans for doctors, etc. would all have to adjust to meet the reality that without insurance, a majority of people wouldn't be able to pay at all. It'd be mass deflation across several industries, which is never popular because people feel that their worth is decreasing, when in fact the unit of measurement is changing. As of now, insurance has a (correlative so far, causation being hard to prove) inflationary effect on costs since it was popularized in the past 60 years.
If the decisions an individual makes over the course of their lives leads them to a state where they are poor, unemployed and without health insurance
Yeah, us crazy people with congenital heart defects, who cannot buy insurance on the market at all, should have to find some company that provides health insurance (Assuming any of those still exist) and work for them the rest of our lives.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
David Garrow, a civil rights movement historian at the University of Cambridge, said that Martin Luther King Jr. was unambiguously progressive.
I wanted to show up at Beck's rally holding a big banner saying: A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.
I'd leave it unattributed, although I'd suspect they'd guess. I want to see what the tea party would make of that quote.
"King was not only not a Republican, he was well to the left of the Democratic Party of the 1960s," he said. "One could make a very strong case that King thought of himself as a democratic socialist. It's also well-documented that Dr. King was a strong supporter of Planned Parenthood, and it's well-documented that one of his five or six closest advisers, Bayard Rustin, was gay."
The worst thing the right has managed to do over the last four decade is make King's message entirely about race. He was also incredibly anti-poverty and incredibly anti-war. (Hence the quote above.)
We've made a lot of progress on race over the decades. We've made almost no progress on not having pointless wars, and we've gone backwards on poverty.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
King increased his message's scope beyond just Black people to include all poor people (as it always had, though Black people had always been his focus, for obvious rhetorical and practical reasons). By 1968, he was organizing far beyond just Black people and others sympathetic to them. His movement was snowballing, including more and more White people and spawning other movements (like "Brown Power" Latinos and the American Indian Movement) that themselves were naturally social justice movements more than racial ones. The power of King's message was that it did actually move past racism by transcending race. Because race is just a tool of class, which is a tool of political economy. America's political economy has been distorted since perhaps the beginning, born in war, but increasingly so since the Founders themselves died, funding a standing army constantly deployed first to conquer the US continent, then to keep it, and immediately to protect access by the US and its global trade/finance partners to cheap resources and labor. King raised consciousness across the board about all that, from general truth telling to specifically railing against the Vietnam War.
Which is why they killed him in 1968. Whether James Earl Ray was just the first murderer among a seething backlash of Establishment White people to succeed, or whether Ray was either organized by mafia/CIA or just allowed to succeed even though King should have been protected by a legitimate government, it was King's increasing threat to the military industrial complex that caused people from FBI's Hoover to Ray to say he was "Communist", and to want him dead. And dead he was.
Though as a martyr he only returned more powerful than they could possibly imagine. Yet not powerful enough, yet, to lead us truly out of the injustice that underlies all our problems.
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Yeah, us crazy people with congenital heart defects, who cannot buy insurance on the market at all, should have to find some company that provides health insurance (Assuming any of those still exist) and work for them the rest of our lives.
Pretty much any reputable company provides some level of health insurance. I am 26-years old making 15 an hour. How the hell would I afford health insurance if the company I worked for didn't cover a vast majority of the cost? Plain and simple: I wouldn't.
We all do what we have to do in order to survive. I am sorry that you have a heart condition, I really am. But perhaps instead of using it as a crutch or an excuse to get other people to take care of you, you should use it as motivation to better yourself and your situation. Would show that you have a strong character and self-motivation.
No offense, but right now you sound like someone who expects the world to take care of you because of something neither them nor you can control.
Pretty much any reputable company provides some level of health insurance.
Did you just call 40% of all companies in this country disreputable?
Here, at last, we see the right's actual face. They have essentially told me I can never start a small business, I can't work as a contractor, I can never even work for a small business. I must find some large company offering some sort of health insurance, and stay there until I can get on medicare, because if I don't I'll lose my insurance, and the magical free market won't sell to me. (And I mean won't sell, not 'won't sell at a price I like'. I am uninsurable.)
Pro-small business my ass. They want us to be goddamn wage slaves our entire life for the fewer and fewer corporations that are large enough to actually negotiate a reasonable rate with insurance companies.
But perhaps instead of using it as a crutch or an excuse to get other people to take care of you, you should use it as motivation to better yourself and your situation.
I'm not using it as 'crutch', I'm paying for my health care costs just fine. (And I'm paying five times as much as the health insurance companies are, so I'm subsidizing you.)
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
Hey, I thought I was supposed to disagree with you.
Yes, King figured out that racism, in this country, as just a way for the lower class to be pitted against each other.
Which is why they killed him in 1968.
Speaking of assassinations, I'm still of the opinion that the most plausible Kennedy assassination theory is that James Jesus Angleton had him killed because of Golitsyn crazed lies about the KGB. I think Angleton thought Kennedy was a Soviet mole.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
Looks like the Teabagger zombie army is back from Beckistan, long enough to trollmod my post explaining with citations that Alveda King is a travesty who Martin Luther King would have abhorred for lying in his name.
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I don't know why you're supposed to disagree with me :).
I think Kennedy was killed by Elvis in jealousy over Marilyn Monroe. Even though everyone knows the joint operations of the CIA/mafia killed him for getting in the way of their joint crime wave in guns, drugs and general mayhem that the Republican Party was busy embracing in Nixon/Bush/Reagan.
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A few things.
First, I most certainly do not represent an entire political party. So to imply as such is just silly.
Second, I never once made any distinction between small or large business being "reputable". I absolutely support small businesses.
It is also foolish and naive to assume that no small business is able to provide health care for their employees. There most certainly are small businesses that can; and quite a large number of them.
Finally, I never said anything about "wage slaves". Everyone's situation is different and they each require their own unique steps to get a solution.
P.S.
None of us are able to control the unexpected things in life. Again, it comes to the strength of character and motivation of the individual to weather difficult times.
My sister was diagnosed with cervical and uterine cancer at 29. She had to have a hysterectomy and had to do 4 months of chemotherapy. This happened while she was studying to get her Masters Degree in psychology.
The university offered her everything they could to put her mind at ease about focusing solely on her treatment. She would obviously not get her Masters until a later date, but they wouldn't penalize her in anyway. She stuck with it, and successfully defended her Masters on time and is continuing on to her PhD.
One final thought, everyone dies at one point or another. No one knows when that day will be or how it will happen, nor can we control it. Be happy for what you have and the life you have lived. A lot of people never even make it to my age.
It is also foolish and naive to assume that no small business is able to provide health care for their employees. There most certainly are small businesses that can; and quite a large number of them.
If by 'quite a large number', you mean 'about a third', sure.
Of course, they're paying 15% more or so for said insurance compared to large companies.
My sister was diagnosed with cervical and uterine cancer at 29. She had to have a hysterectomy and had to do 4 months of chemotherapy. This happened while she was studying to get her Masters Degree in psychology.
So let's break this down. Did she have insurance at the time?
Was it employee based, or did she have her own insurance.
Or was she uninsurable because of some heart defect?
You've apparently mistaken my statement I can't get insurance for some sort of sob story, and thus think you should top it with some other sob story. I am not asking for sympathy, or a handout, I'm POINTING OUT I CAN'T GET INSURANCE.
I am a web designer. There is no such thing as a 'large' web design company anywhere around me, and none of them offer insurance. To find an job in my actual career that offered health insurance, I'd have to move, and take a job with a large corporation, and constantly stay on my toes to make sure I was employed until I was 65 and can get medicare.
No startups for me. No saving up money and striking out on my own. The only way I'll ever have insurance is if I find some company that will have me, and then do whatever they say for the rest of my life, or hope I can find another company before COBRA runs out.
This is the 'pro-small business' perspective of the Republicans. Americans must innovate...at least, if they're rich enough to cover ever possible medical expense. Everyone else, fuck off. Or, better yet, work without health insurance...don't worry, I'm sure money will magical appear if you get sick.
Or, at least, that was the story. Luckily, now, in 2014, I'll be able to buy insurance myself, thanks to the mostly teethless 'reform' that was just passed.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
Which happens to be located in New Jersey.
The island it's on (Liberty Island) is part of New York state, though surrounded by New Jersey waters. That said, while Liberty Island (and therefore the Statue of Liberty as well) is in New York, all the land is owned by the Federal Government.
Ceci n'est pas un sig.
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If by 'quite a large number', you mean 'about a third', sure.
Of course, they're paying 15% more or so for said insurance compared to large companies.
My point is that they are out there.
So let's break this down. Did she have insurance at the time?
Was it employee based, or did she have her own insurance.
Or was she uninsurable because of some heart defect?
She had insurance, but it wouldn't cover the cost. The cancer institute only deferred it until she was done with treatment. She is more difficult to insure because she has lupus.
You've apparently mistaken my statement I can't get insurance for some sort of sob story, and thus think you should top it with some other sob story. I am not asking for sympathy, or a handout, I'm POINTING OUT I CAN'T GET INSURANCE.
Or, at least, that was the story. Luckily, now, in 2014, I'll be able to buy insurance myself, thanks to the mostly teethless 'reform' that was just passed
Yet you are giving a sob story. I understand you can't get insurance, but now in 2014 you will, but at what cost?
You say, "I'll be able to buy insurance myself" as if you will have a choice. You will be forced to buy healthcare whether you can afford it or not.
If you still can't afford it and don't buy it, you will be fined.
So you are willing to sacrifice the freedom of choice for yourself and for the rest of the country so you can "guarantee" yourself to get healthcare; when you don't really know whether or not you will be able to afford it come 2014. Prices haven't been announced.
Playing devil's advocate, say come 2014 you can't afford to get insurance? Would you just say, "well, it was worth a shot supporting this."? Or would you feel regret?
Or, let's now say that it works. Flawlessly. Great, right? Still don't have a choice in it. Which you may not care about. Certainly doesn't seem like you do. But you think it will stop at the health insurance? No.
What will happen is everybody will have all this faith and belief in the government again. They don't have to worry about healthcare. But wait, we still have terrorism, global warming, the war, crime, the economy. And they have convinced us that these are "national security" risks.
What will happen is the people will easily turn over the solution to the government on those issues as well. And what we'll get is the end of net neutrality and anonymity online. If you don't do anything bad online thats a small price to pay, right? But what comes from that loss of privacy? Justification to abolish warrants.
Justification to ignore the 1st amendment by shutting down anti-liberal and anti-global warming blogs. Which, btw, the Obama administration has already tried but failed. But not if they can get you afraid of it enough to abolish the 1st amendment.
What will happen is we will get to a point not that different from the imagining of 1984.
Times are scary. Who wouldn't be scared? War, terror, disease. There are a myriad of problems, but they are being conspired to corrupt our reason and rob us of our common sense. Fear is getting the best of us, and in our panic we are turning to our federal government. They are promising us security, they are promising us peace, and and all they demand in return is our silent, obedient consent.
"Those who would give up essential liberties for a little temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security" - Benjamin Franklin
You will be forced to buy healthcare whether you can afford it or not.
FORCED: Noun, compelled by necessity or force.
Yup. I'm forced to buy healthcare. Right now I am, and I will still be later. It is a necessity.
Good job pointing that out, but I think we all understood that heathcare was a necessity. it's like food. People must have it, or they die.
Playing devil's advocate, say come 2014 you can't afford to get insurance?
Then I will use the subsidies that the new health care law provides. Um, duh.
Do you not know about this? Have you been listening only to Fox News?
Or, let's now say that it works. Flawlessly. Great, right? Still don't have a choice in it. Which you may not care about. Certainly doesn't seem like you do.
No one has a choice in healthcare. It's not an either/or option. You can't live without it.
What will happen is everybody will have all this faith and belief in the government again. They don't have to worry about healthcare.
Yes, instead of the government succeeds, the government should fail and people should die. That'll show people who think the government can solve problems!
You America-hating conservative, get the hell away from me and go live in Somalia.
But wait, we still have terrorism, global warming, the war, crime, the economy. And they have convinced us that these are "national security" risks.
What will happen is the people will easily turn over the solution to the government on those issues as well.
I'd like you to explain how exactly terrorism and the war have non-government solutions. In fact,I'd like to you explain what sort of non-government options exist with the war at all. Or crime, for that matter.
Oh, wait, all your rants just got mixed together and you sounded even dumber than you meant. 'My god, the government is trying to run the war! Oh noes!'
But, basically, pretending you were just really stupid, it basically comes down to two kinds of people. The people who believe that America can solve problems, and the people who don't.
The people who don't think America can solve problems as well as, say, France, don't even have any sort of solution to the health care problem.
I want people to read this guy's posts carefully, and see what he actually says I should do. His 'solution' to the problem is that everyone should work at jobs that provide health insurance, which is a) in stark contrast to the 'small business' encouragement the right is claiming, and b) clinically insane, as only about 70% of businesses offer such insurance, meaning he just functionally created an unemployment rate of higher than 50% as, presumable, jobs without health insurance aren't 'real' jobs. There's nowhere near enough jobs with insurance to actually get everyone coverage.
Oh, oh. All the uninsurable people can work at jobs that come with insurance, and all the insurable people can work at jobs that don't, and buy their own. I'm sure insurance companies won't start raising rates when that happens, and I'm sure all the moderately-healthy people with those benefits will quit so us uninsurable people can get in.
Let me guess. In your universe, everyone has whatever job they want. And when Republicans say that unemployment benefits are encouraging people not to work, what they actually mean is that people can just magically find not only a job, but one with benefits?
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
Nice how you ignored a whole other section to what I said.
Also, I never aligned myself with the left or the right and I am certainly not anti-american. I am anti-socialism.
So basically you made all too known that you don't mind if the government forces you to buy healthcare or not cause it's "essential". Granted, it may be, but that still does NOT justify it being forced down our throats.
You clearly only watch CNN, which btw is just as unreliable a news source as Fox News. The two are identical to each other except for the obvious fact that they stand on either side of the two-party spectrum.
If we continue to grant the federal government more power, the closer we will get to a totalitarian state. Sad to see that someone who appears to be so intelligent could be so easily fooled and brainwashed into believing the rhetoric simply because it satisfies your needs.
You also imply that you support American ideals, well, forcing your citizens to do something against their will is not an American ideal. So congratulations you are your own contradiction.
Both parties need to go away. Neither the Republicans or the Democrats are doing anything to truly help us. They both are only giving the illusion of trying to help. The sooner more people get over themselves and realize this, the better chance we have to remain free.
You should really read more rather than blinding believing what your TV tells you.
"Those who would give up essential liberties for a little temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security" - Benjamin Franklin
Nice how you ignored a whole other section to what I said.
You mean your stupid fantasy about how the government providing for the citizenry will result in facism.
Yeah, here's a shock for you: No one but you believes that, and it's just your damn opinion, and not very well supported by facts.
You're living in your own little universe where government is the problem, and you know what? Fuck that. This is America, we are very smart, and we can solve problems, using the government as a tool.
Also, I never aligned myself with the left or the right
Yeah, idiots on the far right always say that.
and I am certainly not anti-american.
Yes, you are. You think our system of government cannot function if it provides slightly more services. You have no faith in our system of government, you have no faith in our people, you have no faith in America. You are anti-American.
I am anti-socialism.
In other words, you don't know what socialism is.
Hint: Socialism is the government operating the means of production of goods. It is not the government providing services. Socialism is the government making goods, and selling them. (And communism is giving them away.)
The government is supposed to operate services. That is the point of the government. To provide services for our safety and happiness, within the restrictions we've laid out for it in the constitution.
So basically you made all too known that you don't mind if the government forces you to buy healthcare or not cause it's "essential". Granted, it may be, but that still does NOT justify it being forced down our throats.
A much better plan would have been for the government to just pay for health care, but your side, and, yes, you're on the far right even if you refuse to admit it, your side refused to even allow them to come forward. (With the, I will admit, complicity of Democrats.)
You clearly only watch CNN, which btw is just as unreliable a news source as Fox News. The two are identical to each other except for the obvious fact that they stand on either side of the two-party spectrum.
Yes, because I have no health insurance and can't purchase it, I clearly watch CNN. Of course, I don't watch CNN, as I just have basic cable, but whatever.
If we continue to grant the federal government more power, the closer we will get to a totalitarian state. Sad to see that someone who appears to be so intelligent could be so easily fooled and brainwashed into believing the rhetoric simply because it satisfies your needs.
That is not how totalitarian states work, and that's not how 'government power' works either.
The idea that the government can pass laws requiring people to 'do things' is not some slippery slope to totalitarianism, because totalitarianism does not lay in that direction. The direction of totalitarianism is silencing voices, it is creating larger barriers to dissent, it is removing rights from people, not requiring them to wake up each morning and dance a jig.
You cannot get to totalitarianism via 'rules' because people won't go along with it, and will instead elect dissents. Asserting 'new taxes' leads to totalitarianism is akin to asserting that carrying a microwave around in your trunk leads to your car overheating. A does not lead to B! That is not why cars overheat!
It is not some slippery slope to overheating, even if you imagine we'll start carrying elephants around. Yes, that would cause overheating, but that is not actually the way overheating happens in the actual world people live in.
You also imply that you support American ideals, well, forcing your citizens to do something against their will is not an American ideal. So congratulations you are your own contradiction.
Sure it is an American ideal. 'He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unles
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
Well I am sorry you see it that way. You are only fooling yourself. Your concept of America is NOT how it was set up to be. The federal government was never meant to have as much power as it does. Your willingness to just accept it for what it is shows your complete lack of education of the principles and set of checks and balances our government was founded on.
I pity your ignorance.
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Protip: if visiting friends in NYC, don't ask them to take you to the World Trade Center site. If you feel the need to go hang out at a giant pit in the ground, find it yourself; if you DO manage to get your friend to take you downtown, don't insist they take your picture in front of the fence.
And don't call it "Ground Zero," either. Just...don't. :/