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Sony Lawyers Expand Dragnet, Targeting Anybody Posting PS3 Hack

markass530 writes with this excerpt from Wired: "Sony is threatening to sue anybody posting or 'distributing' the first full-fledged jailbreak code for the 4-year-old PlayStation 3 gaming console. What's more, the company is demanding that a federal judge order Google to surrender the IP addresses and other identifying information (PDF) of those who have viewed or commented about the jailbreak video on a private YouTube page. The game maker is also demanding that Twitter provide the identities of a host of hackers who first unveiled a limited version of the hack in December."

437 comments

  1. Might as well get in on the action by HungryHobo · · Score: 5, Informative

    erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
    riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
    pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
    R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
    n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
    K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
    Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

    1. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Issarlk · · Score: 4, Funny

      You b*stard! Now I'm going to get sued!

    2. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Skatox · · Score: 0

      Now sony will demand Slashdot

    3. Re:Might as well get in on the action by clang_jangle · · Score: 4, Funny

      erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
      riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
      pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
      R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
      n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
      K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
      Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

      Oh see how irresponsible you are, now it'll be easier than ever to find it with google!

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      Caveat Utilitor
    4. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How about creating a twitter message ring?

      "C0CE FE84 #C227"
      someone else posts
      "#C227 F75B #D07A"
      and so on.

    5. Re:Might as well get in on the action by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've used my secret decoder to decipher your message. It says "Hello Streisand Effect, Goody Bye Sony".

    6. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ironically, if you ROT13'd your posting, you'd defeat their searches for instances of it on the web.

    7. Re:Might as well get in on the action by galaad2 · · Score: 5, Informative

      direct download link, always contains url of the latest sony firmware:
      http://fus01.ps3.update.playstation.net/update/ps3/list/us/ps3-updatelist.txt

      currently it points to v3.56
      http://dus01.ps3.update.playstation.net/update/ps3/image/us/2011_0127_6e070c96e0464e993aaf9deac3660863/PS3UPDAT.PUP

      this firmware update can be installed without having to have a PlayStation network account or having to agree with the PS Network ToS & User Agreement

      http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110202220600258

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      root@127.0.0.1
    8. Re:Might as well get in on the action by sosume · · Score: 2

      mmm
      erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
      riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
      pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
      R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
      n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
      K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
      Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

    9. Re:Might as well get in on the action by robthebloke · · Score: 1

      Strange. My decoder comes out with some garbled message about sharks, blu-ray lasers, and duct tape?

    10. Re:Might as well get in on the action by snookiex · · Score: 2

      Actually, they're trying to get to those who published the jailbreak video or detailed information on the hack.

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    11. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cmon at least make a song about it....

    12. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Howard+Beale · · Score: 5, Funny

      And Bing will have it in a week thanks to my toolbar!

    13. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ironically, if you ROT13'd your posting, you'd defeat their searches for instances of it on the web.

      Why's that ironic? That's exactly what you'd expect to happen, which is the exact opposite of 'irony'.

    14. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
      riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
      pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
      R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
      n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
      K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
      Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

      Oh look! Slashdot helps me being an evil, pirating terrorist by providing a convenient button to copy this highly illegal information by merely clicking "Quote Parent"! For shame! Corrupt politicians to the rescue!

    15. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. I'm sure glad someone as level-headed and even-tempered as you is in charge of sending out DMCA takedown messages.

    16. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sue American websites to take down material, sue the same sites to identify American 'infringers'. I guess Google will become Doe 25... for "aiding and abetting DMCA terrorists" or some similarly dramatic nonsense. They have plenty of links to...

      http://gitorious.org/ps3free/ps3keys http://gitorious.org/ps3free/ps3publictools

      But just try suing Gitorious in Norway or me wherever (even when I'm unemployed, I might try) I get bandwidth to host a mirror - if a NorCal court tells me to jump, I'll tell them to fuck off. If a NorCal court tells my DNS registrar to jump, they'll be told again to fuck off. If a NorCal court tells my non-US provider to cough up the goods, they'll be told the DMCA doesn't count here in the slightest.. then to fuck off.

      See the emerging pattern, Sony?

    17. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Moryath · · Score: 1

      That's because you got your decoder out of a Cracker Jack box rather than mailing in for the official Little Orphan Annie decoder from Ovaltine...

    18. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Barryke · · Score: 1

      The sharks aren't random enough.
      http://xkcd.com/221/ (how part of PS3 security was implemented)

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      Hivemind harvest in progress..
    19. Re:Might as well get in on the action by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Steisand effect?

      Personally I prefer the Tyrant Effect: "Off with his head!" Remove the head of Sony, and his replacement will be scared shitless that the same can happen to him. He will be much more compliant to the wishes of his customers.

      And no I'm not being extreme. Someone who makes it his mission to destroy the lives of the citizens deserves nothing less then his OWN destruction. Like happened with Mussolini. And Nicolae CeauÅYescu: "Demonstrators stormed Ceausescu's palace and he and his wife tried to flee Bucharest but they were captured by military forces who had turned against them." - BBC

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      "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
    20. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
      riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
      pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
      R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
      n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
      K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
      Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

      I didn't quite hear you the first time, could you repeat that please?

    21. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Heres the EU address. Are all firmwares equal?
      http://fus01.ps3.update.playstation.net/update/ps3/list/eu/ps3-updatelist.txt

    22. Re:Might as well get in on the action by ultral0rd · · Score: 1
      So if I press this here "Quote Parent" button, I'm going to get sued?

      erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
      riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
      pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
      R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
      n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
      K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
      Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

      Oops!

    23. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it says "be sure to drink your ovaltine"

    24. Re:Might as well get in on the action by heptapod · · Score: 0

      It's hilarious that OP had the brass balls to post the jailbreak code and attribute it to them.

      need a night in a prison cell

      You speak from experience? Is it considered a faux pas to ask Bubba to spit on his cock so it doesn't hurt so much? Or do you just blow him to grease up his joint with your slobber?

    25. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hang on a minute. Did you just say

      erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
      riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
      pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
      R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
      n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
      K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
      Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

      ?

      Oh, I thought so... Facebook status update time!

    26. Re:Might as well get in on the action by overlordofmu · · Score: 1

      You, Howard, are fucking hilarious. That was fucking cute. I will be chuckling all day. Thank you, sir.

    27. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Schadrach · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but you could claim that their decoding it constituted a "copyright circumvention device". =p

    28. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      You may possibly be an evil bastard. Just possibly. I'm not real sure yet. NOTE: Sometimes, an evil bastard is just what the people need, LOL

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      "Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
    29. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Dammit - either gitorious has been slashdotted, or Homeland Insecurity has beaten me to it!

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      "Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
    30. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Hatta · · Score: 2

      Is that the "full fledged jail break code" mentioned in the article? It's unclear whether they mean the key, or the source code to CFW or whatever.

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      Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
    31. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey! Retarded Sony Lawyers! I CAN HAZ LAWSUIT TOO? I r commenting about jailbreak code!!!!111oneone111!!!

      Proving yet again that you don't have to be all that bright to be a lawyer >.

      *facepalm*

    32. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Careful or Sony will say you "hacked" into their network! After all, accessing publicly available URLs is against the law, at least in some countries.

      I can't find the URL at the moment, but someone was sent to jail in Europe somewhere (Sweden?) because they linked to direct download links of some TV broadcaster. The broadcaster argued that the links were "hidden" and what that person did was "breaking into their website", even though all they did was look at the HTML that the website sent.

      There was another case where modifying a query in an URL was also considered "hacking". Basically changing &uid=1234 to &uid=2345 and accessing someone else data (because the website was retarded and didn't check user inputs)

    33. Re:Might as well get in on the action by tsm_sf · · Score: 1

      erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
      riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
      pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
      R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
      n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
      K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
      Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

      Is that you, Mrs. Streisand?

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      Literalism isn't a form of humor, it's you being irritating.
    34. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    35. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

      I dunno, personnaly I'd ROT13 it twice to be sure.

    36. Re:Might as well get in on the action by pyrosine · · Score: 2

      Not so - those "who have viewed or commented about the jailbreak video on a private YouTube page". Of course, If they succeed, it would only expand to encompass google giving the IP of anyone searching and clicking any page hosting the hack

    37. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Technician · · Score: 1

      Wow, the Strisand Effect was swift on that one.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

      After the DECSS issue, they are slow to learn.

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      The truth shall set you free!
    38. Re:Might as well get in on the action by pakar · · Score: 2

      Even more that that... "All documents related to *any* service that you have provider to the owner of the "geohot" account identified in Request No. 1 above at any time" I read that as.. Google, send all information stored about this use. Web-searches, gmail-account(?) with all mails, any google documents stored... logs of all stuff he might have viewed on youtube.. Logs of all comments, private messages etc.

    39. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Maudib · · Score: 1

      erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B

      riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D

      pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19

      R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17

      n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1

      K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D

      Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

      Oh see how irresponsible you are, now it'll be easier than ever to find it with google!

      OMG TERRORISTS!!!!!!

    40. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, I really didn't give a shit about this before, but now that Sony has gone fully Nazi I copy-pasted those keys into a text file on my desktop. Maybe I'll work on helping out the community with some PS3 hacking tools (my day job is basically reverse engineering, I just never had reason to put Sony in the crosshairs before).

      Way to go Sony -- new challenges, always fun.

    41. Re:Might as well get in on the action by galaad2 · · Score: 2

      i tested both the EU and the US firmware files, they are identical

      File: PS3UPDAT_US.PUP
            MD5: 2a52196399a4b96ea568aafa65d1a27e
        SHA-1: c372ce26267590dc851eec66b73a162a8cac76ea

          File: PS3UPDAT_EU.PUP
            MD5: 2a52196399a4b96ea568aafa65d1a27e
        SHA-1: c372ce26267590dc851eec66b73a162a8cac76ea

      the _US file is the file downloaded (and renamed) from the US url, the _EU file is from the EU url

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      root@127.0.0.1
    42. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Strange. My decoder comes out with "Be Sure To Drink Your Ovaltine." A crummy commercial? Son of a bitch!

    43. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't even have a PS3 and I want to download this now.

    44. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's meta-irony

    45. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Threni · · Score: 2

      Sorry, does that install the illegal Sony rootkit which gets ignored because the law is manifestly not designed to go after rich/powerful people/companies, or uninstall it?

    46. Re:Might as well get in on the action by abigsmurf · · Score: 2

      Knowingly skipping the User Agreement has never been a loophole that stops it applying. I've forgotten the exact term but if you've knowingly operated under the terms of a contract and the other party has it on reasonable faith that you agreed, it doesn't matter if you signed/agreed it or not.

      I don't have a link to it but I'm pretty sure that Microsoft took someone to court who thought he was immune because he patched out the EULA. He thought wrong.

    47. Re:Might as well get in on the action by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 2

      You mean the EULA that by Canadian law (not sure about elsewhere) has been defeated on it's own ground of "implying a restriction AFTER the time of contract (sale)".

    48. Re:Might as well get in on the action by bored · · Score: 2

      Guess I might as well stop opening the bottoms of the paper sleeves/boxes to avoid breaking the "by breaking this seal you agree to" seals.

    49. Re:Might as well get in on the action by greed · · Score: 1

      You skip the PSN agreement. You do not skip the firmware license.

      The PSN thing is important because it is PSN that Sony is using to justify the California court.

    50. Re:Might as well get in on the action by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 1

      Quick, everybody go buy a PS3 to hack, that will teach Sony to mess with us. Streisand Effect indeed!

    51. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I better start making that worm that replaces EULAs with the GPL. It's not "knowingly" when you don't know you've been infected.

    52. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The above key is now my facebook status.

    53. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this firmware update can be installed without having to have a PlayStation network account or having to agree with the PS Network ToS & User Agreement

      The terms and conditions are presented as part of the installation process of the firmware. You cannot complete installation of the firmware without agreeing to them.

    54. Re:Might as well get in on the action by JarinArenos · · Score: 1

      The problem is that the intimidation tactics are working. It's getting more difficult to find a copy of the hack. Out of curiosity (I don't even own a PS3), I started looking for a copy of the file. It took me a good 10 minutes to locate a link to a good download. Now, you can say I suck at searching, and that may have some truth, but it means that Sony has made strides in preventing Average Joe Luser from jailbreaking his or her console.

      It occurs to me after the fact that I should have probably been searching torrents instead of looking for a download from a website. Indeed, that search takes all of five seconds to bear fruit.

    55. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Step 1: Plug a USB stick into your computer
      Step 2:Download PS3UPDAT.PUP file.
      Step 3:Create folder PS3 and then create folder UPDATE inside it.
      Step 4:Unzip Jailbreak.zip to PS3UPDAT.PUP and put PS3UPDAT.PUP filein /PS3/UPDATE/ folder of your USB drive.
      Step 5:Power down you PS3 console and put USB drive.
      Step 6: Now press and hold the power button, the system will startup and shutdown again.
      Step 7:Release the power button, then press and hold power again, you’ll hear one beep followed by two consecutive beeps.
      Step 8:Release power then follow the on-screen instructions. You’re now in the recovery menu.
      Step 9:Connect the USB device and select “System Update.”
      Step 10:Choose Update via Storage Media
      Step 11:It will say it found Version 3.55-jb
      Step 12:Choose OK
      Step 13:Accept Conditions and Install Update
      Step 14:After less than a minute, your PS3 will update, beep 4 times then shut down.
      Step 15:Power up your PS3 (You will have to do it on the console and not by the controller)

      Geohot rar Hash: b813ff51300c42d7c3b96992edfd6746 *PS3UPDAT.PUP

      mirror: http://www.xup.in/dl,57897311/PS3UPDAT.rar/

    56. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Maestro4k · · Score: 1

      I've used my secret decoder to decipher your message. It says "Hello Streisand Effect, Goody Bye Sony".

      Damn, Sony's programmers couldn't even spell the secret message right, no wonder they the got the public key encryption implementation fatally wrong!

    57. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
      riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
      pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
          R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
          n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
          K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
        Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

      NO! I'M SPARTACUS!

    58. Re:Might as well get in on the action by giuda · · Score: 1

      Better if you buy an used one. Like I did.

    59. Re:Might as well get in on the action by Haeleth · · Score: 1

      Microsoft took reasonable care to ensure that its EULA would always be presented. There is nothing they could really do to prevent people patching it out, and you cannot patch it out without knowing it exists.

      Sony has not taken any precautions at all to ensure people view the EULA before downloading PS3 firmware. There are many trivial things they could do to block direct download links; they have not done any of them. And you can easily follow such a link with no idea that any EULA exists.

      See any difference there?

    60. Re:Might as well get in on the action by atisss · · Score: 1

      The another case was in LV, but the person "hacking URL" of tax database is still waiting for trial. And the hack was basically:

      wget https://eds.vid.gov.lv/getResp.aspx?id={1..7000000}

    61. Re:Might as well get in on the action by pakar · · Score: 1

      And in large parts of the world so called "shrink-wrap licenses" don't mean shit... Here in Sweden all contracts or obligations needs to be presented before the actual purchase or the licenses/contracts are not valid.

  2. Would Slashdot reveal the IPs .. by Idimmu+Xul · · Score: 0

    of those criticizing Sony?

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    1. Re:Would Slashdot reveal the IPs .. by jarbrewer · · Score: 1

      Maybe CmdrTaco will only reveal the IPs of those criticizing slashdot

      We love CmdrTaco!

    2. Re:Would Slashdot reveal the IPs .. by Lil'wombat · · Score: 1

      Better to be safe than sorry. Google and slashdot should release the complete list of all ips that have every visited their sites.

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  3. Your order is coming right up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would you like fries with that?

  4. Remember the css_descramble.c Shirt by syntap · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I still have mine, sounds like we need someone to post code snippets on the back of a T-Shirt, with "only Sony wants Root" on the front, and the proceeds can go to legal defense.

    1. Re:Remember the css_descramble.c Shirt by witherstaff · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Those were fun shirts. "This is an illegal circumvention device" were a common sight around the office for awhile. A "Sony wants this shirt off my back" would be good too.

    2. Re:Remember the css_descramble.c Shirt by shadedream · · Score: 1

      They really should do a modern reprint of those shirts. Wore mine constantly in high school (I either just admitted to being really old or really young...) and consequently wore it out.

    3. Re:Remember the css_descramble.c Shirt by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      Could work on obese guys but if you put that message on a hot babe it would sould like an ad for Sony...

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    4. Re:Remember the css_descramble.c Shirt by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Make the shirt show some cleavage, then:

      On the front: "Sony wants to cover this up" or "Sony doesn't want you to see this"

      On the back: PS3 root keys, blu-ray keys, etc

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    5. Re:Remember the css_descramble.c Shirt by mldi · · Score: 1

      You, sir, are a marketing GENIUS!

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    6. Re:Remember the css_descramble.c Shirt by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      A *marketing* genius? Well thanks...I think... :P

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    7. Re:Remember the css_descramble.c Shirt by duguk · · Score: 1

      A *marketing* genius? Well thanks...I think... :P

      I'm not sure that ever could be considered a compliment on /.

    8. Re:Remember the css_descramble.c Shirt by McD · · Score: 1

      Dave Touretzky, of the "Gallery of DeCSS Descramblers" fame, is already on it - although he seems to be taking a more cautious approach while he's out of town right now.

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    9. Re:Remember the css_descramble.c Shirt by Myopic · · Score: 1

      Awesome, I still wear mine. Every time I wear it, people ask me what the heck DVD CCA is, and I give them the brief version.

    10. Re:Remember the css_descramble.c Shirt by mldi · · Score: 1

      I meant the idea, not necessarily the shirt. So.... "great at getting an idea across effectively" instead, maybe?

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  5. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, If we are making outlandish requests... I demand that a federal judge order Sony to turn over a detailed list of all financial transactions for the company and its 150,000+ staff. I just want to make sure that they are not doing anything illegal with their property (their money).

    Fair's fair.

    1. Re:Well... by loners · · Score: 1

      You mean your money.
      Just because they gave you a console for it doesn't mean you can't keep control over the money.

      That is what they are saying, right?

    2. Re:Well... by pakar · · Score: 1

      Yep... and suddenly you will issue a patch that will transform their $100 bills be a $50. If you they dont want that they can always skip the patch but then they can only use it as 5x$10 bills.

  6. Just for viewing? by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 2

    Sony is going to run into a full Streisand Effect backlash with this new attempt to expunge the net of any trace of the very mention of this hack existing. And what is it about asking for the IP address of those who VIEWED it? Are they planning to go the RIAA route and send blackmail letters to those people, threatening to sue them for millions unless they pay several thousands of dollars?

    1. Re:Just for viewing? by noc007 · · Score: 2

      I wonder what they actually hope to accomplish/gain with this. I agree, Streisand Effect will be going into full force.

      Personally, I think I'm done with Sony products. After the rootkit installing CDs and there other antics with the PS3, I don't feel like they actually want to keep me as a customer.

    2. Re:Just for viewing? by queBurro · · Score: 1

      me too but what will you/I play 'call of duty' on then? I'm not buying an xbox.

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    3. Re:Just for viewing? by gomiam · · Score: 1

      Erm... on a PC, perhaps? It's not like you are posting at Slashdot from your PS3, is it? I don't know, though, if CoD allows you to use a mouse on the console version. That might be the only sane (for me) explanation for someone playing it on a console :)

    4. Re:Just for viewing? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      me too but what will you/I play 'call of duty' on then? I'm not buying an xbox.

      That big funny box you used to type that message, perhaps?

    5. Re:Just for viewing? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      It took you this long to decide? Really? They lost me after the second rootkit...

    6. Re:Just for viewing? by queBurro · · Score: 1

      my PC's old and cheap, I justified the purchase of the PS3 as a media client. I've been pwned (is that the term? I'm old) plenty of times playing quake because my pc-hw can't display more than 10fps. 200 notes at the time seemed a wise way to have a bit of fun shooting people / level playing field etc.

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    7. Re:Just for viewing? by Custard+Horse · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I never thought I'd like console gaming but after getting a (free) xbox360 I am pleasantly surprised with the gameplay. Black Ops is excellent and I know that the 360 is good for many years without constant upgrading.

      My AMD Socket A PC was great for Counterstrike Source but couldn't cope with Halflife 2 thus ending my PC gaming experience.

      Sure, I have enough money now to build a new PC that will cope with new games but the cost of the GFX card alone is more than the entire 360. If you are a serious gamer it is probably worth the investment but otherwise consoles capture both the serious and casual gamer markets not least due to ease of use.

    8. Re:Just for viewing? by queBurro · · Score: 1

      the PS3's a level playing field, I can't (actually I can) afford a piece of HW good enough to keep me competitive just to play CoD. I like my old/current hw, it's perfectly good enough for prn browsing needs.

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    9. Re:Just for viewing? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      the PS3's a level playing field, I can't (actually I can) afford a piece of HW good enough to keep me competitive just to play CoD. I like my old/current hw, it's perfectly good enough for prn browsing needs.

      If your principals are not worth a few hundred dollars, or a slight hit in gaming performance, that is a different problem. At least we know that you will fight them to the death, as long as you don't have to get out of your chair.

    10. Re:Just for viewing? by Issarlk · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure a 100$ graphic card can run PC games... err, console ports as well as a 360 can.

    11. Re:Just for viewing? by inviolet · · Score: 1

      Personally, I think I'm done with Sony products. After the rootkit installing CDs and there other antics with the PS3, I don't feel like they actually want to keep me as a customer.

      Me too. I have not purchased a single Sony product, EVER, since seeing a list that somebody posted of their many attempts to lock the world into another wacky Sony proprietary format. Starting all the way back with BetaMax, then DAT, minidisc, ATRAC, MemoryStick, UMD, etc.

      And that is ON TOP OF the evil connector conspiracy that Sony has naturally been a part of. Sorry Sony, I'm done with you... I'll give you another try in my next lifetime.

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    12. Re:Just for viewing? by queBurro · · Score: 1

      harsh, I'm out of my chair. I was hoping for an answer such as "buy a Wii, they're ethical". I'm willing to give up CoD to make my own personal PS3 point.

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    13. Re:Just for viewing? by mldi · · Score: 1

      Sure it can, but not at the same level of graphics quality (not with a $100 graphics card, anyway). Also, with a console, you're guaranteed to be able to play a giant library of games at full quality and they'll all just work. Furthermore, for those of us who prefer laptops geared more for development and less for gaming, constantly upgrading hardware isn't an option. And then there's the fact that consoles are absolutely dirt cheap compared to a gaming rig that needs constant updating.

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    14. Re:Just for viewing? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      I'd not really played video games much since the old days of Descent on the old PC. I recently got a PS3 to play with...I figured hey, $250 or so...for a 3D blu ray player, streams netflix, and can play games on too...would be a decent investment.

      Trying to play the games...MAN...do I ever feel old these days.

      So many damned buttons on the controller...having a hard time to memorize which button to do for what, expecially in the heat of battle. I'm trying to do Red Dead Redemption..fun game but I keep getting killed, and this is not even online stuff.

      :(

      I do miss my mouse and keyboard...but will keep going till I figure this out.

      One other thing that sold me on the PS3..was that the online playing was free vs having to pay for xbox and wii...

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    15. Re:Just for viewing? by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 1

      I justified the purchase of the PS3 as a media client.

      A PS3, even a mini, is too noisy to play music disks or movies in your living room. A PC, preferably running Linux, is a far better media client. More connectivity and much quieter. Also you can use a network enabled amplifier, Onkyo for example, to get the PC into the next room. Of course you could also do that with a PS3 if Sony had not retracted the Other OS option.

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    16. Re:Just for viewing? by Atriqus · · Score: 1

      So whatever you do, don't go to this CS professor's university page; there's a directory link on it that makes Sony unhappy.

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    17. Re:Just for viewing? by bamf · · Score: 1

      A PS3, even a mini, is too noisy to play music disks or movies in your living room.

      Mine isn't. I can hardly hear it at all when it's on, and that's with it sat about 8ft in front of me under the TV.

    18. Re:Just for viewing? by queBurro · · Score: 1

      me too, the slim's aren't as noisy as the old ones. As for connectivity my ps3's detected everything I've thrown at it, e.g. mediatomb, tversity, also connects to iPlayer etc. No complaints there.

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    19. Re:Just for viewing? by Nadaka · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not the case any more. a $100 graphics card will get you a Radeon 4850 or Radeon 5750. That is enough to play just about anything at default settings. Bump it up to the $150 to $200 range and you can play anything with higher settings.

    20. Re:Just for viewing? by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 1

      If you think your PS3 is too loud, you need to crank up the volume on your amp.

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    21. Re:Just for viewing? by smelch · · Score: 1

      Buy a 360. They're just plain better in terms of user experience and online capability (which you do pay a premium for but come on, its $12/month). I have 2 Wiis, 3 360s and one PS3 in my house and the PS3 never gets used unless I've rented a blu-ray disc. On the other hand, my 360s are usually all on, with 2 serving as media devices most of the time and one a primary game console. The Wiis never see any action either really.

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    22. Re:Just for viewing? by Inda · · Score: 1

      I read all this sort of stuff and probably only understand 10% of it. I find it all fasinating.

      I have viewed some of this PS3 hacking stuff and didn't understand much of it. I don't even own a PS3, nor do I want one.

      Lock me up and throw away the key?

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    23. Re:Just for viewing? by nschubach · · Score: 1

      The link you speak of was "edited" to point to us.playstation.com on Jan 27 unless I'm missing something.

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    24. Re:Just for viewing? by gknoy · · Score: 1

      1/27/2011 Update: Judge Illston has granted the TRO against George Hotz despite the venue issue still being contested by Hotz's attorney. And I'm out of town. Since CMU has a west coast campus in California and is therefore potentially subject to Judge Illston's jurisdiction, I have disabled my mirror until I can get back to Pittsburgh and look more closely at the current state of things.

      It looks like he's not currently mirroring it? I didn't notice an update after that saying it was back up. Also, it looks like Geohot's website now links to a jailbreak.zip again? I thought the injuction prevented that but I could be wrong.

    25. Re:Just for viewing? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I would say I was going to boycott Sony over this, but the truth is that I started boycotting Sony almost a decade ago after they told me it would cost several hundred dollars for a replacement part for a camcorder that was worth half that. The part was a two inch by three inch piece of plastic case with the power switch and start button on it, and nothing else. It should have cost about a dollar, if that.

      It was at that point that I realized that Sony not only built crap products (I was already steering clear of their products to some degree because of the number of pieces of Sony hardware that suddenly stopped working for no good reason), but also weren't willing to stand behind out-of-warranty products with reasonable service. In short, Sony was cutting corners left and right *and* screwing the customer when those corners inevitably led to their hardware falling apart, cranking up repair part costs to ridiculous levels to force people to buy more poorly built crap.

      I've been boycotting them ever since.

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    26. Re:Just for viewing? by AtomicJake · · Score: 1

      I wonder what they actually hope to accomplish/gain with this.

      Let's call it "guerrilla marketing".

    27. Re:Just for viewing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After the PS3 fiasco, and a Sony Camcorder that uses a lot of proprietary formats that they no longer maintain and I can't upgrade to (such as a 4MB 'memory stick'(tm) ...what am I going to do with 4MB?)... I have traded Sony in for Samsung. Products at least as good in design and quality, no sukky proprietary lock-in, no Rootkit bullshit, no degrading products after the fact to better suit the needs of the company, rather than the customer. I *WILL* pass on the hack, and I *WON'T* be buying anything else from SONY!!!

    28. Re:Just for viewing? by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      The only thing Sony I am currently paying for is an EverQuest 2 subscription. However, once Guild Wars 2 comes out, I will be dropping EQ2 (as I can only afford to support 2 MMOs at a time, with City of Heroes being the other.)

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    29. Re:Just for viewing? by gomiam · · Score: 1
      That's strange. I have an AMD laptop with just 1.5GB and a Mobility Radeon X700 (five year old computer) and I don't seem to have too many problems playing games that have a few years on them (which excludes Black Ops, but I consider it too expensive anyway). Are you perhaps trying to play what's essentially a FPS with full resolution? Perhaps you should consider not worrying about that so much, it's a FPS, you are not there to watch the scenery ;)

      An anecdote doesn't make an statistic, but I find that PCs have more casual gamers than consoles, and I postulate that it is because you can use a PC for other things, besides playing with it. Can you do that with a console (PS3 Linux mode excluded)?

      When you buy a console you buy something to play games, and only to play games (oh, yes, and perhaps play some movies if you don't already have a DVD player). When you buy a computer you can play games, watch DVDs and do lots of other things (from office work to video editing, from CAD to software development, from composing music to learning mecanography...). And you can play RTS and FPS better. I have only found the consoles being better when playing games that require gradual joystick control (racers, fliers and the like) and if you really want to play one of those you can always buy a joystick or a gamepad if needed.

      This last paragraph is my personal opinion on the matter, and not supposed to be the end-all of the neverending debate about what platform is better. But, IMO, the facts point to PC being it.

    30. Re:Just for viewing? by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

      Sony is going to run into a full Streisand Effect backlash with this new attempt to expunge the net of any trace of the very mention of this hack existing.

      Sony, WTF, Remember the 80's? Remember when Sony was sued for helping people infringe copyright by selling Betamax VCRs?
      Sort of like how the "Beta can be used to make illegal copies" lawsuit alerted more people that such could be done and Sony sold a bit more units because of this newly publicised use-case.

      Sony Inc. v Universal Studios:

      The Court's 5-4 ruling to reverse the Ninth Circuit in favor of Sony hinged on the possibility that the technology in question had significant non-infringing uses, and that the plaintiffs were unable to prove otherwise.

      On the question of whether Sony could be described as "contributing" to copyright infringement, the Court stated:

      [There must be] a balance between a copyright holder's legitimate demand for effective - not merely symbolic - protection of the statutory monopoly, and the rights of others freely to engage in substantially unrelated areas of commerce. Accordingly, the sale of copying equipment, like the sale of other articles of commerce, does not constitute contributory infringement if the product is widely used for legitimate, unobjectionable purposes. Indeed, it need merely be capable of substantial noninfringing uses....

      So, now the tables have turned. Hotz is assumed to be "contributing to copyright infringement", however the technology in question has significant non-infringing uses -- (See: The US Air Force's PS3 Supercompter) I would dare the plaintiffs to attempt to prove otherwise.

      And what is it about asking for the IP address of those who VIEWED it?

      Anyone with the same info that Hotz has is capable of "contributing to copyright infringement" by way of re-publishing the info as Hotz did. Perhaps one of those folks has redistributed the info, and actually has agreed to the PSN terms -- Perhaps they would be easier to sue because of their voluntarily accepting the TOS's legal neutering.

      Of course Hotz's case doesn't hinge on whether or not what he does has significant non-infringing uses, but If I were Hotz's lawyers I would be sure to make reference to the Betamax case -- Hotz, much like Sony, has made available something that could help people infringe copyright; In neither case does Hotz's how-to video or Sony's Betamax cassettes require that the users infringe copyright. If someone does infringe copyright using Hotz's info or a Betamax cassette then you don't hold the creator of the tools they used responsible.

      For fuck's sake Sony, could you be any more evil and two-faced?

    31. Re:Just for viewing? by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that Sony is a member of the RIAA.

      The other three of the big four are EMI, Warner, and Universal.

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    32. Re:Just for viewing? by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      You *think* you're done, at this point? Good for you, what took so long?

      I've been Sony-free for years now. The CD rootkits was what did it for me. Nothing that I've seen since then has done anything but drive them deeper into the red. On the other hand, I have to go clear back to my childhood to remember a time when I thought Sony was a good brand. Ever since I've actually been paying attention to tech news they've been getting a darker and darker reputation, and it didn't take to much to push them into Do Not Buy category.

      The only way they're going to stop this bullshit, short of regulation from higher authority, is if it hits them in the finances. If they only stop because they've gone into bankruptsy, I'm totally OK with that.

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    33. Re:Just for viewing? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Or remember where the name Sony comes from:
      Soni-Tape, which was a preferred medium for bootlegs

    34. Re:Just for viewing? by Hamoohead · · Score: 1

      me too but what will you/I play 'call of duty' on then? I'm not buying an xbox.

      As far as COD, they're all available on PC except 3. On a side note, I'm not a console gamer, but was seriously considering buying a PS3 after spending xmas visiting family and watching Netflix and BD on one. This will not be happening now. I wouldn't care if Sony came up with the ultimate dick sucking machine and had an exclusive patent on all the pussy on the planet. They have PERMANENTLY lost my business.

      . . .demanding that a federal judge order Google to surrender the IP addresses and other identifying information (PDF) of those who have viewed or commented about the jailbreak video on a private YouTube page.

      Way to go, Sony! If the rootkit fiasco didn't already push you over the top, you have now become the most heinous tech company on the planet.

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    35. Re:Just for viewing? by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 1

      the slim's aren't as noisy as the old ones

      That's true, but still way too noisy for my taste. And in particular, way noisier than even a cheap standalone player. Which I'm ordering forthwith because I'm tired of hearing the PS3 (slim) buzzing away in the quiet spots of music and movies.

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    36. Re:Just for viewing? by Fallingwater · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, are you from the past?

      1) You can spend even less than $100 and get a perfectly OK card that'll play Crysis at close to full detail
      2) You do development work on a laptop and you can't be bothered installing the occasional driver update and/or game patch? It's not much different than upgrading your console's firmware, a couple clicks is all it takes.
      3) Constantly upgrading hardware hasn't been necessary for a while now. I've been playing Just Cause 2 and Assassin's Creed 2 on my old Q6600 with its HD4770 card and having a blast, no performance issues whatsoever.

    37. Re:Just for viewing? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      The Wiis never see any action either really.

      Just had to capture the ultimate quote for Slashdot. :)

    38. Re:Just for viewing? by mldi · · Score: 1

      I guess I am. Haven't done PC gaming in a few years.

      But I've got another reason for consoles: us poor Linux guys who don't want to dual boot just to play games. As a response to your point #2: my development laptop doesn't require high-end graphics, and that was the point of saying that. It's not about driver updates at that point, it's about hardware. I can't take desktops everywhere with me so I generally don't use them (except for retired ones I turn into servers). Consoles, especially at their price points, are the best answer for a lot of people.

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  7. WHAT?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IS it me or is this totally crazy? Even people who has commented? what is going on here?

    Dont they need a cort order and then make the police get ip adresses if anything at all?

    This is scaring me...

    1. Re:WHAT?! by Teknikal69 · · Score: 1
      That is completely insane you are not wrong.

      Sony is just making themselves less and less endearing I wish they would stop it as I want the NGP and I won't be able to justify buying it if they keep doing stupid things like this.

      I think it's even crazier they want IP's from people who only viewed the video though for all I know I could have seen it embeded somewhere or other and never even took it in.

    2. Re:WHAT?! by snookiex · · Score: 1
      Yep. That's what the article says:

      the company is demanding that a federal judge order Google to surrender the IP addresses and other identifying information (.pdf) of those who have viewed or commented about the jailbreak video on a private YouTube page

      The claim is, of course, stupid. But they're using the legal channels

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    3. Re:WHAT?! by shentino · · Score: 1

      Why shouldn't they?

      They're bought and paid for...

      Just like the f**king consoles they're suing people for hacking!

    4. Re:WHAT?! by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      >

      This is scaring me...

      About time! The only limits on Sony are what they think the can get away with. And they are awfully confident in themselves getting away with a lot.

    5. Re:WHAT?! by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

      I think it's even crazier they want IP's from people who only viewed the video though for all I know I could have seen it embeded somewhere or other and never even took it in.

      However, if they can get law to say you are responsible for what you view, regardless of how... Think of the CP e-mail bomb the CEO would get! Ooops... :)

    6. Re:WHAT?! by Schadrach · · Score: 1

      Just buy one used, so Sony doesn't get a dime from you for it?

      Maybe wait until it's been hacked, then grab a hackable one from a pawnshop for cheap. Install the hack (even if you never plan on using it) if for no other reason than to mock those bastards.

    7. Re:WHAT?! by AlecC · · Score: 1

      Lawyers making work for themselves. Once they have got all those IPs, they will get junior, just qualified legal staff to check laboriously through them. Said staff are paid $50/hour but billed at $250-500/hour. $$$ PROFIT $$$ for the partners in the legal practice.

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    8. Re:WHAT?! by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 1

      Just buy one used, so Sony doesn't get a dime from you for it?

      Even better, have nothing to do with Sony at all. I for one will not buy another game for the PS3. Sony was already banned in my home except for that.

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  8. Goodbye Sony, for good !!!! by macpacheco · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The only Playstation I ever had got sold 3 years ago, and now I have absolutely no interesting in purchasing ANY whatsoever Sony product.
    Don't need to bother with my IP address, if I still had a sony product, I would throw it into the garbage right now.

    1. Re:Goodbye Sony, for good !!!! by steelfood · · Score: 1

      I used to buy Sony almost exclusively. Every MD player I bought was Sony, as well as corresponding earbuds (E-888) and headphones. Every TV. I even had a PS2. And the recommendations I made to friends and family were often Sony products. Hell, even the CD's I used to buy were all put out by Sony Classical Records.

      I've refused to purchase Sony branded stuff for many years now. It was one fiasco after another. The rootkit in their music CD's is the most memorable of their PR disasters, but my boycott started even before that.

      Today, anything they make, I can easily find a competitor that makes something comparable or even better. And if not, well, I'll deal. I can do without spending another grand, and Sony's lawyers can do without my extra grand in their pockets.

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    2. Re:Goodbye Sony, for good !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a sony home theater reciever, anyone got jailbreak codes for that?

    3. Re:Goodbye Sony, for good !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately not enough people care enough to do this, so as far a Sony is concerned they won't even notice losing a few thousand customers. Nevertheless, I applaud your effort and commitment.

    4. Re:Goodbye Sony, for good !!!! by losttoy · · Score: 1

      Exactly my sentiments. It is shenanigans like these that made me stop buying Sony products. Anyways, most of their products are crappy and over priced. The cameras look interesting but again, I boycott Sony on principle. Plenty of choice out there to avoid Sony.

    5. Re:Goodbye Sony, for good !!!! by macpacheco · · Score: 1

      You're correct that us Linux users aren't enough to cause a dent in Sony's market share. But If each one of us convinced 10 other potential customers not to buy Sony, that might be noticeable.

      But I don't think we're a few thousand customers, more like many tens of thousands of actual customers of open software + sony.

      There's only one effective way to go about this issues, principles, principles, principles.

      Just like it's been 10 years I haven't purchased a single MS product. In the 10 years since then I never hesitate to tell anyone how bad their stuff is.
      Now with flightgear I don't need to stinking MSFS anymore. Pure bloatware. No more Windows desktops or servers. The only non-linux OS I use is Symbian, because those came free with my mobile plan and they have a very good native SIP client. Just waiting for Android phones to come free with a 2 yr voice+internet 3g plan.

      Don't underestimate the power of a customer with a deep, justified grudge. Those typically last for a lifetime. In that lifetime, that particular customer alone might cause the XYZ evil corporation to loose US$ 100k in revenues considering the negative advertisement cascade effect.

      Now back to my master plot to remove windows and microsoft office from all my customer networks. About 300 desktops. All Windows servers already gone.

  9. This has been done before, and it failed. by mnslinky · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Did something like this go down when the HD-DVD key was found? Didn't it just cause MORE publicity, or something that's now know as the Streisand Effect? Good luck with that Sony, really.

    1. Re:This has been done before, and it failed. by mnslinky · · Score: 1

      Sure, after I press submit I see someone posted something similar already.

    2. Re:This has been done before, and it failed. by bughunter · · Score: 1

      Yes, the DVDA attempt to prosecute anyone who even linked to a host of the deCSS "liberated" decryption key was the first case of the Streisand effect. It evoked an outraged response from the community, including a very effective EFF Blue Ribbon campaign for Freedom of Speech Online, which is still active. I still own several t-shirts with the CSS key printed on the back. This was way back in like 1999 or something.

      But it wasn't named the Streisand Effect until Barbara Streisand sued the California Coastal Records Project (an awesome site) for publishing pictures of her estate on the coast of California. When this news hit the web, the pictures were copied far and wide in support of CCRP. And Streisand lost her lawsuit.

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    3. Re:This has been done before, and it failed. by staticneuron · · Score: 1

      People are really looking at this from a very simplistic point of view. It is humerus to read some of these quotes. Chances are they aren't really convinced they can stop it, but they must at least show effort and they are going to try to set a precedent. It is doubtful that piracy can kill the console.

    4. Re:This has been done before, and it failed. by BigSlowTarget · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They want the Striesand effect. If it becomes widely distributed and known that people who hack PS3's get sued into oblivion the lesson is clear: mess with Sony and you lose your house. This is especially true for the people who had the talent and interest to do it the first time and it's probably going to slow down future hacks. The population of skilled hardware/software/firmware/microcontroller hackers capable of jailbreaking PS3's out there is probably large, but not infinite and they're reducing the pool.

      Sony is planning for the PS4,5,6,...

    5. Re:This has been done before, and it failed. by mldi · · Score: 1

      It is doubtful that piracy can kill the console.

      Considering you need to buy one to hack one, I think that's a universally agreed upon statement. I think maybe what they're afraid of is that since they're letting these machines go for almost no profit (or even a loss?) that you'll use it for something other than games, which is where the money is really at.

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      If you aren't suspicious of your government's actions, you aren't doing your job as a responsible citizen.
    6. Re:This has been done before, and it failed. by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 2

      I think the question is: does making sure everyone know the PS3 can be used to run whatever you want it to run, increase sales or decrease sales? Not everyone who uses the Streisand Effect is necessarily stupid.

      It's been out for several years now; maybe it needs a little extra publicity.

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      "Believe me!" -- Donald Trump
    7. Re:This has been done before, and it failed. by wamatt · · Score: 2

      They want the Striesand effect. If it becomes widely distributed and known that people who hack PS3's get sued into oblivion the lesson is clear: mess with Sony and you lose your house. This is especially true for the people who had the talent and interest to do it the first time and it's probably going to slow down future hacks. The population of skilled hardware/software/firmware/microcontroller hackers capable of jailbreaking PS3's out there is probably large, but not infinite and they're reducing the pool.

      Sony is planning for the PS4,5,6,...

      Well, if that's really their thinking, then they are going about it completely the wrong way. All that action is like to do, is to induce the opposite behaviour in the hackers, causing those anti-rebellious types to want to hack it even more. Even if it's just for the thrill of pissing off Sony some more.

    8. Re:This has been done before, and it failed. by Mekabyte · · Score: 1

      The Blue Ribbon Campaign pre-dates DeCSS by more than three years, back to 1996, and was originally formed to protest the Communications Decency Act.

    9. Re:This has been done before, and it failed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the margin on PS3 consoles these days? Is it still a loss-leader for games? Because if so, increasing sales of consoles without a corresponding bump in game sales is a remarkably terrible idea.

    10. Re:This has been done before, and it failed. by staticneuron · · Score: 1

      I say it because if the installed base. They are loss leaders, so piracy would harm them at the starting gate but not now. The people that purchase the software far outstrips those that pirate.

    11. Re:This has been done before, and it failed. by Drgnkght · · Score: 1

      I think maybe what they're afraid of is that since they're letting these machines go for almost no profit (or even a loss?) that you'll use it for something other than games, which is where the money is really at.

      I think you are only half right. I think what they are really afraid of is that companies that would otherwise have to pay them license fees in order for Sony to sign their PS3 games will start signing their own games. As long as they don't use Sony's SDK, I think it would probably be legal. That is what I think Sony is really worried about.

    12. Re:This has been done before, and it failed. by Idbar · · Score: 1

      In my old school classes, I remember that population grows exponentially. While I don't expect people to join the hacker community at the same pace, I'd say that if it's linear with a higher slope than sony's lawsuits, it's still very likely their plan will not succeed, as the pool of capable people outside the range of Sony's lawyers may increase faster in the following years.

    13. Re:This has been done before, and it failed. by Maestro4k · · Score: 1

      They want the Striesand effect. If it becomes widely distributed and known that people who hack PS3's get sued into oblivion the lesson is clear: mess with Sony and you lose your house. This is especially true for the people who had the talent and interest to do it the first time and it's probably going to slow down future hacks. The population of skilled hardware/software/firmware/microcontroller hackers capable of jailbreaking PS3's out there is probably large, but not infinite and they're reducing the pool.

      Sony is planning for the PS4,5,6,...

      Pissing off the hacking community, even threatening them with lawsuits and criminal charges (and jail time) has never stopped it before. There's just too many people out there, many of which take it as a challenge when they're threatened. This is going to backfire on Sony big-time, they've probably painted the largest target in the world on themselves and any product they make for many, many years. People are going to make it a priority to hack Sony's products just to piss Sony off in the future. I seriously doubt they'll have anywhere near the lag-time on the PS4 until it's hacked that they did with the PS3

      Sony's going to find out the hard way you can't stop people hacking your products, and pissing them off/threatening them just makes more people start hacking them.

  10. Am I doing this right? by abigsmurf · · Score: 5, Funny

    erk: I left my phone at home
    riv: Thames
    pub: The Royal Oak
    R: Me 'arties
    n: o spells no
    K: mart
    Da: da daa da da da daaaa da daa daa daaaaaa

    1. Re:Am I doing this right? by Moryath · · Score: 1

      erk: hidden in a crate labeled "top secret" in a giant government warehouse filled with identical crates.
      riv:Mississippi.
      pub: a place operated by a publican. Not to be confused with a (re)publican, which is a species of brainless human.
      R: harr fiddle de dee, being a pirate is alright with me...
      n: e way you want it, that's the way you need it, any way you want it...
      K: O.
      Da: dweeee da da da Dweee dao!

    2. Re:Am I doing this right? by Moryath · · Score: 1

      Alternate possibilities.

      erk: Ask Noah. Be prepared to scoop a lot of petrified animal shit.
      riv: Colorado.
      pub: Med.
      r: The Dread Pirate Roberts never takes prisoners!
      n: protons 7, electrons 7, add neutrons to taste.
      k: makes a really lousy fake table salt when added to chlorine.
      da: DAAAAAAAAA!

    3. Re:Am I doing this right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Da: da daa da, da da daaaa da, daa daa daaaaaa

      gooooodbbbyyyyeeeee!

      FTFY :)

      {on a side note, that's pretty magical how I could decypher that. For instance, if I went: doo-doo doo doo doooo diiiii dooo, diii diii diii dii dii dii-doo di-dii doo, how many of us gamer nerds would be like "omg he's trying to do super mario bros."? Or how about doo-dooo doo-doo dooo diii dooo, dooo diii dooo. Will the movie nerds be like "omg imperial march!" }

    4. Re:Am I doing this right? by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      erk: home planet of Merk.
      riv: Ohio.
      pub: in my home directory, where I keep shared stuff.
      r: me hearties!
      n: a partridge in a pear tree.
      k: a konstant, equal to 17 in this case.
      da: da da dum da dum da da dum

      --
      You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
    5. Re:Am I doing this right? by Vernes · · Score: 3, Funny

      erk: Darmok on the ocean
      riv: Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
      pub: The beast at Tanagra
      r: Kadir beneath Mo Moteh
      n: Kiteo, his eyes closed
      k: Temba, his arms wide open
      da: Temba, at rest

    6. Re:Am I doing this right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For instance, if I went: doo-doo doo doo doooo diiiii dooo, diii diii diii dii dii dii-doo di-dii doo, how many of us gamer nerds would be like "omg he's trying to do super mario bros."?

      I don't know, I read legend of zelda: oracle of the ages

    7. Re:Am I doing this right? by c0mpliant · · Score: 2

      Gilgamesh and Enkidu at Uruk

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      There is no -1 disagree
    8. Re:Am I doing this right? by Moryath · · Score: 0

      Oh look it's my stalker. What happened, run out of mod points to attack my karma with, so now you just have to run around posting AC troll attacks at me?

      I'd ask you politely to stop, but apparently you stalkers never listen.

    9. Re:Am I doing this right? by EllisDees · · Score: 1

      >Da: da daa da da da daaaa da daa daa daaaaaa

      Is that the Rapping Duke?

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    10. Re:Am I doing this right? by smitty97 · · Score: 1

      <quote>Da: da daa da, da da daaaa da, daa daa daaaaaa</quote>

      In my head it sounded like "Smoke On The Water"

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      mod me funny
    11. Re:Am I doing this right? by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 2

      When the walls fell?

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      This is the sig that says NI (again)
    12. Re:Am I doing this right? by sortius_nod · · Score: 2

      When the walls fell!

  11. no more sony products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hey sony, way to go - with that attitude i'm done buying your products! i'm sure i'm not the first one.

  12. PS3 has not been turned on in 6 months by TheFakeMcCoy · · Score: 1

    With Netlix trying to go away from mailing out DVD's I don't see any reason to fire the old bird up now...... what's that you can play games on it, nonsense!

  13. Why mistreat your customers? by maclizard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For years I have been planning to get a PS3, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna give a penny to a company that is going to use the money to sue me and my peers... Guess I'll just have to buy used.

    1. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by royallthefourth · · Score: 3, Informative

      Buying used still increases the scarcity of PS3's, allowing Sony to keep the price of a new unit high.

      Not that individuals acting alone have any impact anyway...

    2. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by yotto · · Score: 1

      I'll be damned if I'm gonna give a penny to a company that is going to use the money to sue me and my peers...

      So they're you're peers, eh? As in peer to peer?

      Aaaaaaand here's a lawsuit.

    3. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by maclizard · · Score: 1

      SSSHHHHH!!

    4. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by Vectormatic · · Score: 1

      Someone better tell sony/RIAA/MPAA that in the US, a jury is also supposed to be comprised of the defendant's peers!

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      People, what a bunch of bastards
    5. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by maclizard · · Score: 1

      Buying used still increases the scarcity of PS3's, allowing Sony to keep the price of a new unit high.

      Agreed, and realistically I would have no reason to buy one now that the Other OS option is not supported.

      Not that individuals acting alone have any impact anyway...

      Also agreed, however I feel rather confident that I'm not the customer Sony has lost over this.

    6. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>Guess I'll just have to buy used.

      But an Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii. Together they have all the same games as the PS3, minus a few exclusives that are crap and you would not want anyway.

      --
      "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
    7. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Not that individuals acting alone have any impact anyway...

      A mob is just a group of individuals... Lots of posters have said they are done with Sony, so this may have an effect. That said, what took so long? This is Sony business as usual...

    8. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Someone better tell sony/RIAA/MPAA that in the US, a jury is also supposed to be comprised of the defendant's peers!

      So seed generously! http://www.xkcd.com/553/

    9. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by noidentity · · Score: 1

      Buying used helps Sony as well. It raises the price of used consoles, making a new one more attractive to some people. This also makes it more attractive to sell one's console (and perhaps buy a new one). Sure, it's a small effect, but so is buying a new one. I never understand these arguments that the used market is disconnected from, or only negatively influences, sales of new consoles.

    10. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by Barryke · · Score: 1

      Seconded.

      I own a PS3 (won a contest) and can say tell you that all its software sucks.
      (Except for LittleBigPlanet and Lemmings demo. Also, Gran Turismo = halfbaked-bloat fail)

      I use it mainly as a DNLA client, as which it does a fairly decent job.
      I'm not updating my firmware and am waiting for someone to enable Linux for my PS3 Slim.

      Would not win Sony again.

      --
      Hivemind harvest in progress..
    11. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by Stolovaya · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that if you no longer want to give Sony money, you'll have to stop buying/using a number of products.

      Beyond Playstation, this includes Blu-ray, movies (Sony owns Columbia Tristar Motion Picture Group, Columbia Pictures, Sony Pictures Classics, Screen Gems, TriStar Pictures, Columbia Pictures Film Production Asia, Columbia Films Producciones Espanolas, Columbia Pictures Producciones Mexico), music (Columbia/Epic Label Group, American Recordings, Columbia Records, Epic Records, Roc Nation, Star Time International, RCA/JIVE Label Group, Arista Records, Battery Records Black Seal, J Records, Jive Records, LaFace Records, Polo Grounds, RCA Records, Verity Gospel Music Group, Volcano Entertainment, Provident Label Group, Beach Street Records, Essential Records, Flicker Records, Reunion Records, Sony Music Commercial Music Group, Legacy Recordings, MASTERWORKS, RCA Red Seal, RCA Victor, Sony Classical, Sony Music Latin, Day 1, Sony Music Latin, Sony Music Nashville, Arista Nashville, BNA Records, Columbia Nashville, RCA Nashville, Music Choice Video and Mustic Network, Sony/ATV Music Publishing).

      Sony's Wikipedia page has a pretty comprehensive list of companies and technologies that they've created.

      I'm not saying it's impossible, but you have to really think about what you buy. It's pretty easy for me not to buy a PS3 considering I'm an Xbox fanboy, but the movies and music gets a little harder.

      With all that said, fuck Sony.

    12. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by Bert64 · · Score: 2

      Yes and no...
      A used PS3 might have been bought when sony lost money on their sale, therefore buying a used one prevents the sale of a new unit that would make sony a profit.

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    13. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except purchasing on the secondary market still supports the primary market.
      If you buy a PS3, new or used, you're helping Sony.

      I think that they need to teach more economics.

    14. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should have got one a couple of years ago when they were still selling consoles at a loss... That'd show them!!!

    15. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      You could also go for a gaming PC, they're more expensive of course but then you get a lot of the good PS3 and Xbox360 games (often with better graphics), plus all the PC games ever made and the ability to run emulators.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    16. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they're you're peers, eh? As in peer to peer?

      "So they are you are peers, eh?" almost makes sense WRT the PtP reference...

    17. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      However, buying a used PS3 means that you're giving money to someone who was willing to give Sony money before.

      If you want to have a PS3, steal one. And I don't mean pirate one, I mean physically commit the crime of theft, by depriving a store of that property. (No, this isn't a serious suggestion. The serious suggestion is, live without the PS3.)

    18. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      minus a few exclusives that are crap and you would not want anyway.

      You mean like Disgaea 3 and 4, 3D Dot Game Heroes, and Demon's Souls, just to name a few?

      If you don't like them, that's fine, you are free to do so. But don't be surprised when you get modded troll for your attitude that anyone who holds different values from yourself is stupid or lying.

      Citations provided.

    19. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beee Esss! It's been out for over 4 years. If you had any intention of getting one, you'd have done it by now.

    20. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep in mind that if you no longer want to give Sony money, you'll have to stop buying/using a number of products.

      Beyond Playstation, this includes Blu-ray, movies (Sony owns Columbia Tristar Motion Picture Group, Columbia Pictures, Sony Pictures Classics, Screen Gems,
      TriStar Pictures, Columbia Pictures Film Production Asia, Columbia Films Producciones Espanolas, Columbia Pictures Producciones Mexico), music (Columbia/Epic Label Group, American Recordings, Columbia Records, Epic Records, Roc Nation, Star Time International, RCA/JIVE Label Group, Arista Records, Battery Records Black Seal, J Records, Jive Records, LaFace Records, Polo Grounds, RCA Records, Verity Gospel Music Group, Volcano Entertainment, Provident Label Group, Beach Street Records, Essential Records, Flicker Records, Reunion Records, Sony Music Commercial Music Group,
      Legacy Recordings, MASTERWORKS, RCA Red Seal, RCA Victor, Sony Classical, Sony Music Latin, Day 1, Sony Music Latin, Sony Music Nashville, Arista Nashville, BNA Records, Columbia Nashville, RCA Nashville, Music Choice Video and Mustic Network, Sony/ATV Music Publishing).

      Meh, most of that stuff can be downloaded ;-)

    21. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by Narishma · · Score: 1

      Even if all of slashdot's users were to do the same I doubt it would make a difference in the grand scheme of things.

      --
      Mada mada dane.
    22. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and buying PS3 games means Sony continues to get to charge game developers more for their kit.

      And using their online services still gives them yet more clout against other companies like Netflix.

      If you're dead serious about not giving your money to Sony, you'll need to suck it up and just not get a PS3. Otherwise, it's just talk.

      --
      "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
    23. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by man_the_king · · Score: 1

      minus a few exclusives that are crap and you would not want anyway.

      You mean like Disgaea 3 and 4, 3D Dot Game Heroes, and Demon's Souls, just to name a few?

      If you don't like them, that's fine, you are free to do so. But don't be surprised when you get modded troll for your attitude that anyone who holds different values from yourself is stupid or lying.

      Citations provided.

      I don't think he/she will get modded "Troll" - probably "Informative" or "Insightful". But that's par for the course for ANYBODY who hates on Sony on Slashdot. He will probably get modded up for being an XBox fanboy.

    24. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by Labcoat+Samurai · · Score: 1

      How does it prevent the sale of a new one? I mean, maybe you didn't buy a new one, but you could have driven someone else to do so.

      If the alternative is to not buy a PS3 at all, then you leave the used one for someone else to buy rather than leaving someone else with no choice but to buy new. That's what he means by increasing scarcity. If you buy PS3s on the used market, you decrease the size of the used market, ultimately driving people, potentially, to the new market. Of course, it makes no difference if there aren't any people who are willing to buy new in the absence of used hardware, but I doubt that's the case.

    25. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by Maestro4k · · Score: 1

      Yes and no... A used PS3 might have been bought when sony lost money on their sale, therefore buying a used one prevents the sale of a new unit that would make sony a profit.

      Unless you plan to pirate every game you play on it, Sony will make money off of every game you buy. You can probably go with used games only to offset that for the most part, but if you buy anything off of PSN, Sony will get a cut. If you really want to stick it to Sony, buy an Xbox360 or a Wii instead, and make sure Sony gets not a penny off of you.

    26. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      However, buying a used PS3 means that you're giving money to someone who was willing to give Sony money before.

      That depends on where you buy it. If you get it at Goodwill, then Goodwill never paid Sony anything. Sure, the person who donated it paid Sony (most likely), but they get nothing from Goodwill except a thank you for their donation.

      Granted, I haven't encountered any used PS3s at Goodwill yet (plenty of PS2s though), but it's only a matter of time.

      My local GW recently had a pair of 360s under the glass at the Collectibles counter for around $60 each. Unfortunately, they came and went before my tax return arrived, so I had to skip them. So since 360s are already showing up at the thrifts, it's only a matter of time before PS3s start showing as well.

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    27. Re:Why mistreat your customers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But NOT buying a used one means there's another used one on a shelf somewhere waiting to be bought by someone who would've otherwise had to buy a new one.

  14. Complete misunderstanding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sony fails to understand that once information is available it is impossible to remove it again. Not even the US government or the former KGB have succeeded and now Sony think they can do it?

    And in the process they will alienate any customer base they already have, most likely.

    Once you start suing your customers for using your own product, the end is not far away, just take a look at the music industry.

  15. No New Sony Products for Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Gee Sony, guess I won't buy one of your TVs to replace my aging flat screen. With over the top demands like the you can go fuck yourself.

    1. Re:No New Sony Products for Me by Apple+Acolyte · · Score: 1

      I have to agree. I like my two PS3s, but with Sony acting like this I probably won't buy any Sony consoles in the future.

      --
      Part of the hardcore faithful who believed in Apple long before it was cool again to do so
  16. DEAR SONY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello Sony, if I paid $400 for a PS3, tell me, Who owns the console?

    The answer is: MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. This means I should be able to do whatever I want with the console, whether I want to modify it to run a computer system... or do robotics... or even smash it with a hammer if I felt like it. Telling your customers that they can't do what they want with their consoles is bad for business I would think. Suing and threatening your customers? Now that's even worse.

    1. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 0

      Yes, you own the console, and Sony has been kind enough to grant you a license to use a certain bit of their software on it. Remove all their software (and anything else with a legally-binding contract limiting its use) and you'll be able to do whatever you want with it. That also includes the chip firmware, so you'll have a lovely paperweight that might barely have the functionality to turn on a LED, but it will be all yours.

      If I paid $1000 for rent this past month, who owns the house I live in? THE LANDLORD. I still can't do major changes to the house or property, can't burn it down, can't use it as security for a loan... and I have to abide by all the terms I agreed to in the lease, which is a legally-binding contract just like the software license you agreed to. You did read it, didn't you?

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      You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
    2. Re:DEAR SONY by tophermeyer · · Score: 1

      This means I should be able to do whatever I want with the console,

      You can. Sony is trying to prevent people from distributing modified versions of their software, for which you received only a limited license when you purchased the PS3.

      I get you, I really do. But your anger is directed at the wrong point. If you want to be able to receive or redistribute Sony's code than you ought to be seeking changes to IP law & practices.

    3. Re:DEAR SONY by Fnord666 · · Score: 2

      If I paid $1000 for rent this past month, who owns the house I live in? THE LANDLORD. I still can't do major changes to the house or property, can't burn it down, can't use it as security for a loan... and I have to abide by all the terms I agreed to in the lease, which is a legally-binding contract just like the software license you agreed to. You did read it, didn't you?

      Interesting analogy. To make it a bit more correct though, we need to add the following things.

      1. There are only two rental complexes in the entire city.
      2. You have to pay two month's rent in advance, non-refundable, before you can see the lease agreement.
      3. The Landlord can change the lease agreement at any time that he choses. If you don't like the change you can feel free to move out.
      4. The Landlord of the other rental complex uses the same lease agreement as yours
      5. One day you may come home to find that your two bedroom apartment is now just a one bedroom apartment. The landlord has walled off the second one to use as a storage area.
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    4. Re:DEAR SONY by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 1

      Also, the landlord happens to own any physical object that enters through the front door. Any idea you have within his complex? By default, it's HIS intellectual property. He can also film inside your home with closed cameras, and use the footage for any purpose without your consent.

    5. Re:DEAR SONY by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      obviously!

      it's like how I only have a licences to the words in the books I buy.

      If I want to create a derivative work by doodling in the margins all I have to do to avoid a lawsuit from the author is remove all the copyrighted words from the book first using white spirits and bleach.

      And don't get me started on those fucking photocopier manufacturers! supporting book piracy! death's too good for them!

      When you took that pen and signed your name to the line at the bottom of the paper on that contract agreeing to the software license it became legally binding.

      I mean it's clear as day to anyone!

    6. Re:DEAR SONY by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      I get you, I really do. But your anger is directed at the wrong point.

      No it isn't.

      The law might permit this disgusting behavior, but Sony in no way is obligated to actually do it. It's their choice to be assholes, as well as it's their choice to use restrictive licensing, and thus it's entirely their fault.

    7. Re:DEAR SONY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and I have to abide by all the terms I agreed to in the lease, which is a legally-binding contract just like the software license you agreed to. You did read it, didn't you?

      Lease terms are signed, in person, in some cases with a witness signature as well, with the landlord watching, before any exchange of currency has occurred (with the possible exception of a deposit so the landlord will hold the apartment for you), and certainly before you move in. Those lease terms are binding on both the tenant and the landlord for the full term of the lease, and changing them requires the signed consent of both the landlord and the tenant. They are also, generally, a couple pages of easy to read English, at most.

      A EULA is presented to the user after they have already purchased the equipment/software, by an automated system, with no guaranteed witnesses. These terms are (supposedly) binding on the end user only, the company can change their minds at any point in time, they can change the EULA at any time they want, and they can force the end user to agree to the new terms to continue using the software/hardware to its full capabilities (games that only run on newer firmware, access to the PSN, Netflix, etc). The latest PS3 license agreement is 4 pages of legalese, while the terms of service are another 18.

      Clearly equivalent.

    8. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      If those are all terms you agreed to, then sure. Why not? That's pretty similar to what's in most employment contracts. If you don't like a contract, don't agree to it. Don't buy Sony's products, and encourage others to do the same.

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    9. Re:DEAR SONY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Say I download a copy of the latest firmware (which I can do without agreeing to an EULA). I then modify the file to change the agreement that appears so that it says "I agree that I can use this however I want" (which I can also do without agreeing to an EULA). I then begin the installation on my PS3, and up pops "I agree that I can use this however I want." I click "I agree."

      What then?

    10. Re:DEAR SONY by commodore64_love · · Score: 0

      >>>Yes, you own the console, and Sony has been kind enough to grant you a license to use a certain bit of their software on it.

      I have a license agreement too.
      It says Sony has to service my willy at least once a month. If they don't agree to these terms, they may refund my $700 and come to collect the PS3.

      End.

      Or eat a bullet. I'd like to see the CEO commit suicide. It would make me sad, but then I'd remind myself "he was going to die anyway" so it really doesn't matter in the long term.

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    11. Re:DEAR SONY by TFAFalcon · · Score: 1

      You forgot:

      6. All of these points are only revealed once you've paid your rent (non refundable), as they are written on a wall inside the apartment.

    12. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1
      1. Only two rental places right downtown, but a place down the street that will build you a lovely custom mansion toward the edge of town.
      2. That's before you can see it while sitting inside your rented apartment. The agreement itself is publicly available
      3. That's one of the conditions in the lease that you agreed to. If you don't like a change you can continue to live there, but the landlord won't be responsible for basic maintenance any more.
      4. But if you build your own house, you get to make your own terms.
      5. If that's in the lease agreement, you should expect it. If not, sue.
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    13. Re:DEAR SONY by HungryHobo · · Score: 2

      Absolutely!
      Don't go signing any contracts saying you agree to such things.
      Stop and think before you put pen to paper! Once it's down in ink on paper it's serious!

      On a related note now that you've read my post please retroactively agree to my conditions that you must send me all your Christmas presents next December.
      If you don't agree to this you are required to delete all copies of the data from your computer, from your ISP's buffers, from your own mind, from the fabric of space if you read this with your curtains open thus violating my copyright by creating a copy of the text moving through space at the speed of light and immediately relinquish all original thoughts you've had since reading my post.

    14. Re:DEAR SONY by cHALiTO · · Score: 1

      Ah but he didn't RENT the PS3. He BOUGHT it. And as for them being 'kind enough' to 'allow me' to use their software, fuck that. They sold him a console with a copy of their software on it (yes, they SOLD him a copy of the software), and I couldn't care less what they say we can do with it. We can do as much as copyright laws allow, and it doesn't say anything about tinkering with the stuff.
      Copyright is fundamentally about right to distribution (COPY-Right), but somehow these thugs have convinced people that just because they stick a little piece of paper with demands and limitations on the cd, they get to tell you how to use your stuff once they've sold it to you (and yes, that copy of the software is SOLD, not rented. the only limits we should respect are those in copyright law itself, not the "license"). If they want to RENT their stuff under specific conditions to retain the right to take away the product if we don't abide by those conditions, they should clearly state so when we pay, and also of course assume all the responsibility it implies to be providing a rental service instead of selling a product. Renting is very different than selling. When it suits them, it's a sale, when it doesn't, they're 'licensing'. You can't have your cake and eat it too

      Of course this is a personal opinion based on what I understand of IP laws, but IANAL, so any lawyers are welcome to correct/corroborate/discuss

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    15. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      I'm not reading your post. I'm reading Geeknet's retransmission of your post, which does not carry those terms. You agreed to their terms when you posted.

      If I were actually bound by your terms, I could sue to have the objectionable items (probably all except deleting from the computer) nullified.

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    16. Re:DEAR SONY by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      And I don't, but this gets hard when there are only a few options are available and all of them have the same terms.

      The "don't buy it" solution works when talking about a commodity and when you know where the product is coming from. If you're buying nails, there are probably hundreds for suppliers. For consoles there's just a few, and all of them have annoying policies. It comes down to choosing the least evil in the best case.

      For other things, you can't not buy from a supplier. For example it turns out gas gets mixed somewhere before getting shipped to a station, so you can't not buy from BP.

      Unfortunately consoles are a very high tech expensive good, and as such only huge companies can realistically compete in the field. That drastically limits the amount of competition and insulates the companies from consequences. That's why we need to resort to laws that limit the damage.

    17. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      You're not the first to point out the difference in signing. There's already a solution, by making electronic agreements equivalent to a signature.

      The EULA is available online, as well as included in the box. If you don't like it, you can return the unused PS3 to the store. Like all contracts, it is binding on both parties. The fact that it grants the company the ability to make changes is just another term that you're agreeing to, along with surrendering use of certain features if you don't update. To continue the analogy, you won't get to use the new in-apartment garbage chute if you won't let the maintenance guy in to install it.

      Relatedly, I recently had an apartment lease that was 27 pages, including addenda. It had two pages relating to pets, about 7 for lead paint, a few for asbestos, one for "criminal activity", and a bunch of other trivial stuff that I no longer remember.

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    18. Re:DEAR SONY by HungryHobo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And you see no problem with the fact that you would have to sue to get rid of those other terms?

      my post was essentially what most EULAs are.
      A wishlist of things that the company would love with no reference at all to whether it's even vaguely legal.

      And they all essentially say the same thing: "we can do anything at all we want, we have no obligation to you at all, you should be happy we allowed you to give us money ,you can't do anything though we may not enforce our right to stop you from doing stuff if we feel like it" and plastered all over it because they know very well that most of what they write isn't even vaguely legal: something along the lines of "if any part or parts of this agreement are invalidated or illegal all the rest still binds you but not us"

      I absolutely agree to abide by any contract I sign but the thing is that I've never in my life signed a contract for software.
      All I've ever done is click "OK" to company wishlists after I've already bought my property from them and our business is done.

    19. Re:DEAR SONY by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      well if you ask someone who desperately wants copyright to apply then they'll just tell you it doesn't count.
      although which step I'm not sure they can point to.

      Copyright deals with making/distributing copies and editing a copyrighted work falls under it about as much as drawing breasts in the margins of books.

      They'd probably waffle about how if you edited it out then you knew the agreement was there and by not agreeing to it you agreed to it.

      And if they're really crazy they'll argue that displaying the bytecode on the screen is making a copy, or reading the file into memory to edit makes it a copyright issue or reading the bytecode with your eyes makes a copy in your brain thus bringing copyright into it.

    20. Re:DEAR SONY by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Which is why the idea of licensing software is ridiculous...

      I can buy a piece of hardware (or most types of physical good, eg clothing), dismantle and modify it in any way i choose, i can even sell it on in modified or unmodified form as i see fit. What i can't do is produce clones of the hardware and sell them as if they were original articles (this is known as counterfeiting).

      Software should be no different, i should be able to use a piece of software i purchased for any purpose i see fit, providing i don't distribute copies. I should also be free to sell the original copy i bought, providing i don't retain any copies myself, and should be free to publish instructions showing other people how to make useful modifications themselves.

      Incidentally, counterfeiting only occurs when the original is sold at a price disproportionate to its production cost. Factories in china can churn out armani suits for the same price as cheap unbranded ones, yet the retail price of the armani suit will be many times higher than an unbranded chinese suit.

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    21. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      Doodling in the margins to produce a derivative work would then have the use of the book be governed by fair use, which typically involves the copyright holder liking the use (and issuing a separate license for that use), or a judge deciding if the use was appropriate.

      Photocopiers are legal because they have significant legal use, such that their primary function is not copyright infringement. Relatedly, I recall back in the early 90's when there was a news story about a publisher using paper that wouldn't copy correctly in most copiers. Fun times.

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    22. Re:DEAR SONY by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      and still I have never once put my electronic signature to any agreement.
      I have one, I can sign emails with it to guarantee that they came from me.
      It could even be witnessed by a trusted third party or at least documented.

      but all I ever see are those silly little "ok" or "I agree" buttons, no witness, no proof that it's not in fact my neighbour, 5 year old nephew or cat which agreed to it.

      I'd be quite happy to accept an electronic contract as valid.
      Just have it witnessed, signed either with a public key or sign it with a touchpad and have it actually bind both parties to do something.

      I'm curious but does their eula bind Sony to do anything whatsoever? I can't see anything that isn't prefixed with "may" from a quick read. as far as I can see it doesn't bind them at all.

    23. Re:DEAR SONY by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      Really? so you're saying that should I draw a picture of a cat on page 57 of the book in front of me the author would be able to sue me and my only defence would be fair use?
      And not in the sense of "you can sue for anything" but rather that they'd have an actual case?

      I feel the urge to pick at this like an oozing scab.

    24. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      It's much simpler than that. Sony never agreed to the modified contract, so there is no mutual assent, and it's not a valid contract. Then you're stuck without a license to use the software.

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    25. Re:DEAR SONY by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      well with the engine it would be patents you'd be infringing so unless you stuck some companies logo on it it wouldn't be counterfeiting.

      Same with the clothes, they have every right to churn out the cheap suits as long as they don't stick an armani logo or brand name on them.

    26. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      He bought the PS3 hardware itself, but not the software inside. At most he may have bought a copy of the functional form of the software, but that's still an open issue.

      Regardless, it's still governed by copyright law, which grants the copyright owner the exclusive right to perform/display the work (which, as I understand, is how "using" falls under copyright. Since he wouldn't have the right to use the software, it just makes a lovely paperweight until he agrees to Sony's license contract or removes the software completely.

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    27. Re:DEAR SONY by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      Well isn't it nice that they already sold me a copy and took my money in exchange then.

      They really should have told me they wanted to apply additional restrictions before they accepted my payment and gave me the goods shouldn't they.

    28. Re:DEAR SONY by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      ah I see. So they sold a functionless block of silicon (but advertised it as a games console) and then out of the goodness of their hearts included a completely separate free pile of software to go with it which the consumer in no way paid for.

      really someone needs to sue them for absolutely blatant false advertising.

    29. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      I see no problem whatsoever with suing when terms are found to be unreasonable after the fact. Once again, if you don't like terms, don't agree to them in the first place. Yes, clicking "OK" counts.

      Not all licenses say the same thing at all. There are some licenses that are better, some that are worse, and some that are just plain weird. Licenses usually protect the interests and rights of the copyright holder, and it shouldn't be surprising that most companies have similar interests.

      Now, IANAL, and this is certainly not legal advice, but if there's some term of a contract that's outright unreasonable, I'd say go ahead and break it. Don't complain when you get sued, but by all means, drag the contract through court and fight it out. Get that unreasonable term invalidated!

      The "one part invalidated" clause protects the company against having the whole contract thrown out by a jurisdiction who finds some small part unacceptable. Usually, that protection is provided by legislation anyway, but it's not hard to imagine a jurisdiction's laws containing wording like "Any contract that requires X is invalid".

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    30. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      Yep. They sold you a nice chunk of hardware. Once again, the terms are online. Go look them up if you're concerned, before you buy something. Is that so hard to think about?

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    31. Re:DEAR SONY by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      Reading further: I still see nothing whatsoever in sonys EULA binding sony in any way shape or form.
      isn't there some kind of requirement that to be binding at all a contract has to offer something concrete to both parties even if it's trivial but everything I've read so far of it is "we may do this... if we feel like it and we reserve the right to take it away at any time for any reason and we are not obligated in any way" which is exactly nothing.

    32. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      Or you could just not buy a console. Not to start a decades-old flame war, but PCs are much nicer in this regard: There are freely-licensed software solutions for pretty much everything you need, and you can have complete control of what you run. Sure, you'll miss out on an ultra-exclusive game, but is it really so important that you have that particular game on your own legal terms?

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    33. Re:DEAR SONY by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      oh but they advertised that they were selling a gaming system.

      Are you saying that they only sold a useless chunk of silicon and gave the rest away free?
      absolutely blatant false advertising right there then.
      They claimed to be selling something they were not: namely a system which could play games.

      and it doesn't matter if the EULA was on their website of if their chief executive went around with it printed on his T-Shirt.
      it wasn't printed on the outside of the box when it was sold and it wasn't agreed to before money and the goods were exchanged.

    34. Re:DEAR SONY by cHALiTO · · Score: 1

      As long as he didn't sign any leasing contract, he did buy a copy... and as for it being an open issue, that's what I meant when I said it was my opinion, and you can see where I stand on that matter.
      I'm not aware that using the copy of the software you bought falls under anything different than watching a DVD that you buy.. over which, say, universal, has absolutely no say outside of specific copyright law restrictions (like not playing it in a public performance, or for commercial purposes, etc)

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    35. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      Yes, they can. You can take the book, draw the cat, and display it in a museum as a work of art. They can sue, which would cost them a few thousand dollars, and you can just send the court a note saying "it's a derivative work of art that displays one page of the book."

      It should be obvious to a judge that you're using merely the book itself, and not so much the literary work it contains. You're not affecting the market for selling the book, and using/publishing only the minimum amount of the book that you need. That's three of the four tests of fair use (commercial use, nature of work, amount used, and effect on market) passed with flying colors. The judge will probably dismiss the suit between fits of laughter.

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    36. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      That "ok" button is enough. Make sure your computer is locked when you're not there. If your signature is forged, no matter how easy it is to do so, you have other legal issues to work through.

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    37. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      Good luck getting them to agree to that. If you're successful, let me know. I want to see it. No, really... I despise Sony's tactics as much as the next guy, so if you can get them to agree to something like that, I want to see pictures. It would make me happy.

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    38. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      They sold you silicon and a license for software, which when combined as instructed make a games console. In Slashdot tradition, I present a car analogy: You go to a dealer, buy a car, then leave the engine in the parking lot. It's your own fault the car doesn't run.

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    39. Re:DEAR SONY by cpghost · · Score: 1

      Ah but he didn't RENT the PS3. He BOUGHT it. And as for them being 'kind enough' to 'allow me' to use their software, fuck that. They sold him a console with a copy of their software on it (yes, they SOLD him a copy of the software), and I couldn't care less what they say we can do with it. We can do as much as copyright laws allow, and it doesn't say anything about tinkering with the stuff.

      Sorry to nitpick, and IANAL, but they didn't sold a copy of the software. They sold a license to use said software, and by using that software, he agreed to the license terms. Yes, licenses are even more virtual than a copy, but that's the way it is. Take another example: you can download a copy of Solaris 10 anytime you want for free... and you can use it for free under certain conditions. That's because the license permits it. As soon as you want to use that Solaris 10 copy that you downloaded for free for purposes outside the freeloader license, you need to cough up $$$$ to Oracle... not to get a new copy (you already have a copy!), but to get a new license.

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    40. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      You don't want to get rid of licensing, then. You'd want a transferable license with no restrictions on use. Getting rid of licensing entirely would mean that either copying would be unrestricted, or restricted so tightly that you can't even use what you've bought.

      Licensing, like all copyright law, is intended to protect the interests of the author. In this case, that's Sony. If you don't like it, don't agree to the license, and don't buy Sony's products.

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    41. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      I suggest you never buy something labeled "some assembly required." You're in for a very bad surprise.

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    42. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      There is no such requirement in any jurisdiction I've looked at. A contract is just a formal agreement between parties. It can be a note on a cocktail napkin signed in a bar, and it's still legal (though drunkenness/competence affects the validity, but that varies by jurisdiction). There are some limits, but they're usually defined vaguely and differ for each jurisdiction. A contract requiring you to pay a friend $10,000 each day for no reason and no return is probably legitimate. A contract requiring you to change your name to Bob and move to Madagascar is probably not legitimate everywhere.

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    43. Re:DEAR SONY by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      Or you could just not buy a console.

      And I didn't. All I own is PCs running Linux, and a N900, running Linux.

      But the point still stands: my not buying of a console doesn't matter much in the end, as there's too little competition. If at some point it becomes impossible to buy a PC without this kind of restrictions, what would you recommend, leaving modern society and living in a hut?

      Sure, you'll miss out on an ultra-exclusive game, but is it really so important that you have that particular game on your own legal terms?

      No. What is important to me is the idea of that I absolutely own and control the things I paid for. Just voting with my dollars won't do, because I believe this is owed to me by virtue of having paid for the product, whatever the product that might be. As a result, currently I won't buy, but on a longer term I will support legislation that shifts people in my favour.

    44. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      "This DVD is licensed for private home viewing only. It is not licensed for any other use. Any public performance, copying or other use is strictly prohibited. All other rights reserved."

      A movie, being clearly an audiovisual work, can only be displayed in any form anywhere by the copyright holder or the entities that the copyright holder has licensed to make such a display. That exclusivity is one of the basic provisions of copyright law.

      You can buy any DVD you want, and it has a copy of the movie on it. You can't display the movie, even within your own home, without the proper license.

      If software were sold, you'd just be granted the additional right to make an archive copy, resell it to someone else, and a few other trivial things. It's not that big a deal, because you certainly aren't being sold the copyrights to the software.

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    45. Re:DEAR SONY by HungryHobo · · Score: 2

      There's exageration and then there's just plain lying through your teeth.
      You can't have it both ways.

      either you buy both the hardware and the software as a *system* or you buy one and the other is a completely seperate thing which you get free and which the company may withold if they feel like it.

    46. Re:DEAR SONY by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      This is what I was thinking of:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppercorn_(legal)
      it can be small, even a peppercorn will do but both parties have to promise something concrete. So your example of 10,000 each day for no reason wouldn't be a legal contract unless you were also required to give your friend something in return. Sonys eula binds them to do exactly nothing for you.

    47. Re:DEAR SONY by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      I honestly have no idea what you were trying to protray with that analogy.
      Perhaps where you buy the car, it gets delivered to your house and then you open the hood to find a contract stuck to the inside of the bonnet reading "by opening this bonnet you agree to never ever alter this engine in any way and ford maintains ownership of this engine and you agree not to look at it, buy fuel from a non-ford liscenced petrol station or ever get it serviced at a non-ford liscenced mechanic or we will sue you"

    48. Re:DEAR SONY by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      I was talking about altering my property myself in my own home for my own enjoyment.

      Who said anything about putting anything up on display etc?

    49. Re:DEAR SONY by MasterPatricko · · Score: 1

      Your point just shows how ridiculous software licenses are. Despite what vendors would have you believe, if you have a fully-functioning copy of the software on your own computer, trying to restrict what you do with it is technically and morally ridiculous.

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    50. Re:DEAR SONY by spells · · Score: 1

      There is no such requirement in any jurisdiction I've looked at

      I'm not sure which jurisdictions you've looked at but you may want to look again. Usually there are five elements of a valid contract:

      1. Valid offer and acceptance
      2. Legally competent parties
      3. Consideration
      4. Genuine intention
      5. Lawful object

      Consideration is exactly what the gp post was talking about. Of course, never take legal advice on slashdot.

    51. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      The nominal consideration would be that you get to use the software.

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    52. Re:DEAR SONY by cHALiTO · · Score: 1

      http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#106

      Subject to sections 107 through 122, the owner of copyright under this title has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the following:

      (1) to reproduce the copyrighted work in copies or phonorecords;

      (2) to prepare derivative works based upon the copyrighted work;

      (3) to distribute copies or phonorecords of the copyrighted work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;

      (4) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and motion pictures and other audiovisual works, to perform the copyrighted work publicly;

      (5) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images of a motion picture or other audiovisual work, to display the copyrighted work publicly; and

      (6) in the case of sound recordings, to perform the copyrighted work publicly by means of a digital audio transmission.

      These are the basic exclusive rights of the owner of the work. It says nothing about performing (i.e. Playing a record, dvd, whatever) in private. You have all the right to reproduce privately a legally owned copy of a copyrighted work, regardless of what any piece of paper attached to it might say. It's reproduction (copying), (re)distribution, PUBLIC performance, etc that are exclusive to the owner of the original work.

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    53. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      Agreed. The computer landscape is a bit different, for now, mostly because of the effort of open-source advocates with the same position as you and I. For what it's worth, I also have no consoles, but I do keep a Windows XP machine around for occasional use. I know exactly how little I can do with it, and I stay within those bounds.

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    54. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      I might have misunderstood you... Regardless, I think there's a misunderstanding here.

      If your doodle could, as a whole, be separated from the literary work contained with it in the book, then there would not be any infringement. You do own the book. Since you do not own the literary work that the book contains, any use of that work would be derivative.

      When I read your post initially, I took it to mean that the picture and page 57 would be a work of art together. Since page 57 would likely contain words, those words (and the part of the literary work they represent) would be an inseparable part of the cat picture, and could be reasonable justification for a lawsuit.

      If you draw the picture such that it is separable from the words and story (such as in the margins then torn out), there is no copyright infringement.

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    55. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      Let's (hypothetically) get rid of licensing, then.

      I'm a software developer. I write a program, and sell it (in a legal sense) to one customer. He turns around, copies it at no cost to himself, and distributes it for free. Since I sold him the original, I'm screwed. I can't sell my work anymore. So much for eating next week. Maybe I should just keep producing. I'll make another program, and have the same experience. Now, this one took me three months to make, but at least I made $10 off of it. That ought to help well with the three months of food and shelter. I could go get a different job making something physical, but then why would I bother programming anything significant?

      Or, I could keep copyright control of my work, and license it to each customer. Since I maintain exclusive control of each product, i don't have to worry about rampant copying.

      The key difference between a creative work and a physical work is the cost of copying. An exact replica of a physical object still costs a significant amount to copy, just for raw materials and manufacturing. A creative work costs effectively nothing to reproduce today, and hasn't since the invention of the printing press. Following basic economics, that leads to rampant devaluation of the works, to the point where nobody can make a living producing them.

      Fortunately for me, society has decided for the past few hundred years that creative works are valuable, and deserve protection from assholes.

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    56. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      They sold you silicon and a license to use the software, just like they said they would. If you choose to reject half of what you bought, it's not their fault.

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    57. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      That's assuming you own the work in question. You do not own the movie. You own the DVD that contains the movie, so you can copy and display that. Then there's also the issue of how closed a home has to be to be considered private, but even I'm not going to go there...

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    58. Re:DEAR SONY by smallfries · · Score: 1

      Why exactly would I need a license to use a piece of software?

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    59. Re:DEAR SONY by Sarten-X · · Score: 0

      Because someone else wrote it, so they have exclusive rights over its use.

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    60. Re:DEAR SONY by cHALiTO · · Score: 1

      I'm not following you. What I quoted above refers to the exclusive rights of the owner of the work (say, Sony). That means that the rights listed above are the ones granted ONLY to the owner. Any other rights not mentioned there (or in the rest of the bill), are NOT exclusive to the owner of the work, and may be enjoyed by anyone. The right to privately perform (or play) a dvd, cd, etc is one such right, as it's not mentioned above.
      The definition of 'privately' is usually a matter of common sense, and if you end up in a situation where it's not clear, then it's up to a jury or a judge to decide.

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    61. Re:DEAR SONY by cHALiTO · · Score: 2

      No, he bought a copy. The fact that it might be accompanied by a license is another matter, open to discussion as Sarten-X pointed out. But when you go into a store, pick up a dvd, a game or a cd, you're BUYING a copy. It doesn't matter what papers the company puts in the box, it's your copy, and as long as you don't violate copyright law (or any other law, like the DMCA), you can do anything you want with it.
      Some of those laws say that you can't perform publicly, redistribute, etc. but nowhere at all it says you can't privately use what you bought, or that they get to dictate how you can or cannot use your own stuff outside of what the law says. And yes, that copy is your own stuff.
      Even if EULAs are considered a legal contract, no contract can strip away any of your legal rights. Law is above contracts, just as the Constitution is above Laws.
      Licenses can give additional rights to the consumer, but they cannot take away any rights.

      "A software license agreement is a contract between the "licensor" and purchaser of the right to use software. The license may define ways under which the copy can be used, in addition to the automatic rights of the buyer including the first sale doctrine and 17 U.S.C. 117 (freedom to use, archive, re-sale, and backup)."

      (...)

      "Some copyright owners use EULAs in an effort to circumvent limitations the applicable copyright law places on their copyrights (such as the limitations in sections 107-122 of the United States Copyright Act), or to expand the scope of control over the work into areas for which copyright protection is denied by law (such as attempting to charge for, regulate or prevent private performances of a work beyond a certain number of performances or beyond a certain period of time). Such EULAs are, in essence, efforts to gain control, by contract, over matters upon which copyright law precludes control.

      In disputes of this nature, cases are often appealed and different circuit courts of appeal sometimes disagree about these clauses. This provides an opportunity for the U.S. Supreme Court to intervene, which it has usually done in a scope-limited and cautious manner, providing little in the way of precedent or settled law.[citation needed]"

      I recommend reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_license_agreement#Enforceability
      Especially the part about Enforceability of EULAs in the United States, near the bottom.

      I'd love it if Lawrence Lessig saw this thread and gave his opinion. He knows this stuff like the palm of his hand, plus he's good at explaining it :)

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    62. Re:DEAR SONY by cHALiTO · · Score: 1

      Licensing is not law, it's a form of contract (to simplify things). Getting rid of licensing wouldn't make copying unrestricted. Copying is restricted by Copyright Law, which allows for private use perfectly well.
      Authors have some exclusive rights to what they create. Once they sell a copy of that to someone else, they don't get to dictate how that someone else uses that copy outside of copyright law.

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    63. Re:DEAR SONY by cHALiTO · · Score: 1

      Completely wrong. You don't need to license at all to restrict redistribution. Any original work of yours is automatically copyrighted (though registration is encouraged and can save you a headache), and you hold the exclusive right to (re)distribution. Even if there's no license, no one obtaining a copy is allowed to distribute any further copies without your permission. That is your right under copyright law. Licenses have absolutely nothing to do with that.

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    64. Re:DEAR SONY by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      and you still seem to be implying that without any copying or sales of work that copyright kicks in despite copyright being about *copying*

    65. Re:DEAR SONY by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      it only says they *may* allow me to use it.
      they promise nothing whatsoever.

      so there is no nominal consideration, there is nothing promised. As written you could follow every single rule and they could simply not provide any service of any kind.

      so there is no contract.
      only a company wishlist.

    66. Re:DEAR SONY by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      They sell me a system.
      later they try to pretend that no they didn't really sell me it *after* they've claimed that they're selling me a whole system and *after* they've already accepted my money.

      do you honestly see absolutely nothing dishonest or generally scummy about such attempts to change a bargain after the fact?

    67. Re:DEAR SONY by Pikoro · · Score: 1

      How about you take their licence agreement, cross out the parts you don't like, sign and date it, then place it, with a copy of your own EULA stating your preferred terms for use of the console, into an envelope and send it via registered mail to SCEA. Don't forget to include something along the lines of "by opening this envelope, you agree to be bound by the terms of this EULA..." :)

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    68. Re:DEAR SONY by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      Yes, you own the console, and Sony has been kind enough to grant you a license to use a certain bit of their software on it. Remove all their software (and anything else with a legally-binding contract limiting its use) and you'll be able to do whatever you want with it. That also includes the chip firmware, so you'll have a lovely paperweight that might barely have the functionality to turn on a LED, but it will be all yours.

      If I paid $1000 for rent this past month, who owns the house I live in? THE LANDLORD. I still can't do major changes to the house or property, can't burn it down, can't use it as security for a loan... and I have to abide by all the terms I agreed to in the lease, which is a legally-binding contract just like the software license you agreed to. You did read it, didn't you?

      I just fired up my 3 most modern consoles: Wii, PS2, and XBox (don't own a 360 or PS3). None of them presented me with any sort of license that I had to agree to before I could use them. That means that the only thing I am bound by is actual copyright law. By using the software "hardwired" into the hardware, I am agreeing to not copy and distribute it without the manufacturer's permission. Nothing more, nothing less. If they have a problem with that, they can go fuck themselves. If they want to try to enforce a non-existent license, they would have to attempt to physically confiscate my property, which would require forceful entry into my home. Fortunately, I have 2 security devices to discourage them: one 7mm and one 9mm.

      So, does the PS3 present a license agreement that you have to click through every time you boot it up, or do you just boot right to whatever game you have inserted?

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    69. Re:DEAR SONY by commodore6502 · · Score: 1

      >>>Yes, you own the console, and Sony has been kind enough to grant you a license to use a certain bit of their software on it.

      I have a license agreement too.
      It says Sony has to service my willy at least once a month. If they don't agree to these terms, they may refund my $700 and come to collect the PS3.

      End Of Line. ----- I'd also like to see the CEO die. He is getting pretty old, and maybe the new one won't be a dick.

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    70. Re:DEAR SONY by smallfries · · Score: 1

      Nah. Doesn't follow. I have made up the number 1222884, does this grant me exclusive rights over its use?

      I have invented the equation x=1/27y, again do I get exclusive rights over its use?

      If you think that code is different - then why? What law would grant it this particular status, and in which jurisdictions?

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  17. In breaking news by Geminii · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sony is also demanding "A bajillion kajillion dollars, all the chocolate in the world, and a pony."

    1. Re:In breaking news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where is their lawsuit against Google, Yahoo and Bing?????

    2. Re:In breaking news by Linker3000 · · Score: 1

      A Sony pony? Baloney!

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    3. Re:In breaking news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unicorns are way cooler nowadays....

    4. Re:In breaking news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A pwny?

    5. Re:In breaking news by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sony is also demanding "A bajillion kajillion dollars, all the chocolate in the world, and a pony."

      Well, I don't have a pony to offer them, but I do have an ass. It's hairy, and Sony is cordially invited to kiss it.

      I don't understand Sony. Back in the 80's and 90's, when I needed some electronic thingie, I would just walk into the store and ask what Sony had to offer. I have a CD player from 1989 that refuses to do, despite years of abuse from a dumb-ass like me. My camcorder from 1998 is still the toast of the town, for all the features that it has. It also refuses to die, despite my drunken friends at parties, dropping it, spilling beer on it, etc.

      As a child/teenager, back in the 70's, I used to read my father's copy of . When they had stories about top executives, I used to think, "Wow! Those must be really intelligent guys, to be running a big company like that!" Now, I look at Sony, with their root-kit action, and now this, and I ask, "How did such dumb-asses get to be running such a large company? Don't they realize that they are pissing their customers off with stuff like this?"

      Well, let me join the chorus. The next time I buy some electronic thingie, instead of asking, "What does Sony have?", I will ask, "What can you recommend?" Sorry Sony, I just seem to not have much trust in you anymore.

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    6. Re:In breaking news by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Sony is also demanding "A bajillion kajillion dollars, all the chocolate in the world, and a pony."

      I have a pony for them... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-prMb6BdNs

    7. Re:In breaking news by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      I have a CD player from 1989 that refuses to die, despite years of abuse from a dumb-ass like me.

      There, fixed that for me . . .

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    8. Re:In breaking news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's alright, I cracked their Pony code, so now you can have a Phoney Sony Pony (no Baloney) for free!

    9. Re:In breaking news by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

      I feel sorry for the pony.

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    10. Re:In breaking news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They might feed it into their Pony Slaystation.

    11. Re:In breaking news by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 1

      We're still wondering what you used to read your father's copies of :-).

    12. Re:In breaking news by c++0xFF · · Score: 1

      As a child/teenager, back in the 70's, I used to read my father's copy of Playboy. When they had stories about top executives, I used to think, "Wow! Those must be really intelligent guys, to be running a big company like that!"

      There, fixed that for you.

      Er, maybe. Kinda hard to tell sometimes.

    13. Re:In breaking news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does your cat smell pretty?

    14. Re:In breaking news by losttoy · · Score: 1

      And, they are pouting, hands folded and all, till they get the goodies.

    15. Re:In breaking news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a CD player from 1989 that refuses to do

      Refuses to do what? The conga?

    16. Re:In breaking news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every enterprise goes through stages, kind of similar to Elizabeth Kubler-Ross's stages of grieving. There are innovative entreprenerial stages, which are wonderful and exciting, and result in dramatic growth for those with good models who can execute their plans and strategies well, and there are exploitive, pathetic, repressive stages, which are characteristic of a mature organization, which can throw off cash for a long time, but is ultimately doomed. Sony has jumped the shark.

  18. The plan by CityZen · · Score: 1

    Must be to get everyone into a courtroom, hold up a neuralizer, say "Please look into the light", ... wait, what do you mean there's no such thing as a neuralizer?

    1. Re:The plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wait, what do you mean there's no such thing as a neuralizer?

      See? It worked!

    2. Re:The plan by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      I believe neuralyzer is another word for television.

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  19. Cutting into Sales by Fnord666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sony claims the hacks will eat into game sales for the 41 million PS3 units sold.

    Dear Sony,
    You know what will really cut into sales? Being total douchebags towards your customers. That's what is really going to cut into sales.
    thxkbye

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    1. Re:Cutting into Sales by nateand · · Score: 1

      Hasn't hurt them much so far. I wish that weren't the case, but there are too many people out there that just don't know better or care.

    2. Re:Cutting into Sales by Scott64 · · Score: 1

      But they can prove it by comparing games sold per xbox 360 without taking into account the number of PS3s that were sold to people just looking for a cheaper blu-ray option who had no interest in gaming. There are also people like myself (I think we're a pretty small minority) who CAN'T buy new games now without upgrading firmware beyond 3.15 and losing Linux. My priorities pre-purchase were: blu-ray, media player, Linux, and "oh it can play games? neat!".

    3. Re:Cutting into Sales by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Why? It hasn't hurt them so far? I mean I hope this does, but they have been real bastards for a long time. If the first two rootkits didn't get your attention, what will?

    4. Re:Cutting into Sales by Tisha_AH · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am amazed that Sony is persisting in being a BUNCH OF JACKASSES. When I purchased a PS3 several years ago most of the appeal was the "Other OS" feature. Sure, I have bought my share of games (>20) and enjoy those too. Selling something (Other OS) and then taking it away makes many of us just think that Sony management is full of Mother-Fuc&ers.

      Sony should be embracing the Other OS crowd and giving us more options to use the platform for high end computing.

      Hey assholes, you made the news as a forward thinking company when you gave us the Other OS feature. Now you are making the news for being just as backwards and ignorant as Micro$oft.

      What the result will be (for me) is that I will enjoy the games I have but will not spend another dime on PS3 games. Guess what, I am doing that just to spite you.

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    5. Re:Cutting into Sales by DaFallus · · Score: 1

      Dear Sony, You know what will really cut into sales? Being total douchebags towards your customers. That's what is really going to cut into sales. thxkbye

      I know, right? With all the fan/customer alienation going on at Sony, you would think George Lucas was their CEO!

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    6. Re:Cutting into Sales by Duradin · · Score: 1

      "Sony should be embracing the Other OS crowd and giving us more options to use the platform for high end computing."

      I'm sure you'd pay the unsubsidized-by-games cost of the hardware for that, right?

    7. Re:Cutting into Sales by gknoy · · Score: 1

      I'm just waiting for Penny Arcade to come up with a new unified console system. Less jackassery towards fans, and it'd make juice, too!

    8. Re:Cutting into Sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IIRC they fired the manager (Kutaragi?) that pushed for other OS inclusion...

    9. Re:Cutting into Sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one am gonna follow this path:
        - buy / play all games on the xbox
        - unplug the PS3 from the network
        - jailbreak the PS3 to eventually pirate^H^H^H^H^H^H play the 2 or 3 sony exclusive this year

      That's 10 sales a year less for them, not much but still...

    10. Re:Cutting into Sales by Myopic · · Score: 1

      If this were true, then the market theories underlying libertariansim would be valid. But it's not true; this kind of corporate behavior does piss off consumers, but does not alter customer behavior on any large scale.

    11. Re:Cutting into Sales by purpledinoz · · Score: 1

      Sony is blackballed on my list of manufacturers I buy from. When my friends and family seek my advice for electronics, I never recommend Sony. In fact, I always tell them to stay away from Sony, and they do. So F-U Sony.

    12. Re:Cutting into Sales by auLucifer · · Score: 1

      I doubt it but I'm sure that Sony are making more then enough from the gamers to subsidize the nice gesture.

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    13. Re:Cutting into Sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PS3 was just a trojan horse for BluRay.. Why would they care about frills once their trojan horse succeeded?

    14. Re:Cutting into Sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idiots. I don't even have a PS3, but I sure as shit have all the keys and tons of tools for hacking PS3 many ways after reading about this. Being free rocks!

    15. Re:Cutting into Sales by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      Sony claims the hacks will eat into game sales for the 41 million PS3 units sold.

      Dear Sony,

      You know what will really cut into sales? Being total douchebags towards your customers. That's what is really going to cut into sales.

      thxkbye

      Quick quick! Someone dial Whine-1-1! Sony needs a visit from the Waaaaaahmbulance.

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  20. So... anyone wanna buy a first generation PS3? by Grimbleton · · Score: 1

    60GB with full hardware backwards compatibility...

    1. Re:So... anyone wanna buy a first generation PS3? by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Sure! Just provide the link to the Ebay or Amazon auction, and I'll start bidding.

      'k thx :-)

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    2. Re:So... anyone wanna buy a first generation PS3? by Schadrach · · Score: 1

      You running 3.55 or lower, and how much?

      My nephew could certainly use a spare PS3. He doesn't have a blu-ray player of any variety, and well, buying one used is less money in Sony's pocket. =p

    3. Re:So... anyone wanna buy a first generation PS3? by drewm1980 · · Score: 1

      ... and superior space heating capacity!

  21. Ah yes! by Grand+Facade · · Score: 1

    Sony has been reading the SCO playbook....

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  22. Seems Overkill. So I guess that means.... by Falsify · · Score: 1

    They have to know what each accused user eats for breakfast too?

    1. Re:Seems Overkill. So I guess that means.... by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      They have to know what each accused user eats for breakfast too?

      Frivolous lawsuits!

  23. Old Generation ? by sap.de · · Score: 1

    Sony used to be innovative , I have sony products : but is this action really excusable ?

    The world has moved on, popular culture encourages that people hack everything from their toaster to the PS3.
    SONY wake up - you are doing the opposite of what you should be doing.
    This will hit the main press and it will look so bad.

    Change your ways to embrace the new world - not even Apple makes such a fuss about "the inevitable"
    All Steve worries about is keeping his "one more thing" a surprise.

    1. Re:Old Generation ? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      The world has moved on, popular culture encourages that people hack everything from their toaster to the PS3.

      Can you open me a portal to the universe you're in? I'm stuck in this shitty one where the most popular devices are totally locked-down and hacking is something only done by a tiny and shrinking community of uber-geeks.

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    2. Re:Old Generation ? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      The world has moved on, popular culture encourages that people hack everything from their toaster to the PS3.

      Can you open me a portal to the universe you're in? I'm stuck in this shitty one where the most popular devices are totally locked-down and hacking is something only done by a tiny and shrinking community of uber-geeks.

      Make it big enough for two please.

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  24. Don't blame Sony by snookiex · · Score: 1

    Blame the lawyers (yeah, I don't like lawyers :P)

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    1. Re:Don't blame Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blame is not enough. A guillotine or an electric chair have to be involved.

  25. In all seriousness by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    Post it on wikileaks, and make it available to all from there, as they are already in hot water, and will not be shut down at any cost.....this way it will get mirrored by all who support such things, and the openness of information. Screw you SONY!

  26. I was going to buy a PS3... by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 1

    ...but now I refuse. My 7 year old will be disappointed but someday he'll understand because I'll raise him to know that we vote with our wallets. I'd rather he be a PC gamer anyways.

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    1. Re:I was going to buy a PS3... by trollertron3000 · · Score: 1

      You should probably go Amish then because every corporation on the planet acts like this.

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    2. Re:I was going to buy a PS3... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cheers man, screw up the freaking consoles and especially SONY as**oles

    3. Re:I was going to buy a PS3... by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 2

      I personally wouldn't ever buy a console, I hate them, but my 7 year old recently expressed an interest in the PS3 because he wants Little Big Planet. I considered giving in to him until I read this article. Occasionally some people make decisions based on morals or ethics.

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    4. Re:I was going to buy a PS3... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, there are plenty of corporations that behave ethically - treat their people well, embrace competition in the marketplace, serve market demand, and roll with the changes technology introduces to their market niche. You know, basically the total opposite of what the SONY collective will behave like, if SONY isn't driven back under their rock.

    5. Re:I was going to buy a PS3... by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      11 years after the fact, Sony still sells PS2s, and quite a lot of them.

      So, the "I was going to" argument definitely works.

    6. Re:I was going to buy a PS3... by sjames · · Score: 1

      This is the sort of thing that can really wipe out a corporation (and should). Parents explaining to their young children that Sony are bad people who should go to jail but haven't.

  27. So what does Google actually log? by martijnd · · Score: 2

    What's more, the company is demanding that a federal judge order Google to surrender the IP addresses and other identifying information (PDF) of those who have viewed or commented about the jailbreak video on a private YouTube page.

    The INTERESTING bit here is in finding out how much, and what, Google actually logs and stores.

    So does Google actually log visits by IP adress to a private YouTube page?

    1. Re:So what does Google actually log? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      such as /var/log/apache2/access_log ?

    2. Re:So what does Google actually log? by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      Uh yes... Why wouldn't they?

    3. Re:So what does Google actually log? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google logs everything to the point where they know what you are eating and drinking while watching the video. They know your favorite color, your favorite song, the color of the hair on your ass. They are Google..thats what they do, they know...

      and yes i love my android phone

    4. Re:So what does Google actually log? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much every web server on earth logs all requests made to it with their IP, time, what the request was (such as "GET /x/x.html"), etc. Even if Google normally doesn't care much for those logs, if a court ordered them to they could probably have someone grep the server logs for requests to the private youtube page in question.

    5. Re:So what does Google actually log? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To some degree - if you've got an account, you get video recommendations based on the videos you've watched in the past, so there's a log of activity somewhere to support that. Even if they don't have direct IP logs for each video, they'll have IP logs from when you signed into your account (in order to track and block spammers), and matching the two logs would give a lot of potential IP's - although you'd still need to subpeona ISP's to convert those to usable identities.

      Google probably doesn't match them normally as it has no interest - it doesn't matter one iota to Google what your ISP is unless you're getting flagged up for spam, and I'd expect Google to fight this anyway on the basis of relevance - viewing a video does *not* make one guilty of a prosecutable crime.

    6. Re:So what does Google actually log? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever heard of Apache logfile ?

    7. Re:So what does Google actually log? by iammani · · Score: 1

      Of course it does. It cost nothing to log every meaningful request from any user/ip.

    8. Re:So what does Google actually log? by MooseTick · · Score: 1

      Are you serious? Google is all about collecting as much information as possible. Do you think they throw anything away?

    9. Re:So what does Google actually log? by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Yes.

      The real question is, how long do they store them for. There's a world of difference between 1 hour, 1 day, and 3 months.

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    10. Re:So what does Google actually log? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for sure. By default any webpage will log the IP Address of a visitor and what they visited - even a basic CPanel administered website.

    11. Re:So what does Google actually log? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's more, the company is demanding that a federal judge order Google to surrender the IP addresses and other identifying information (PDF) of those who have viewed or commented about the jailbreak video on a private YouTube page.

      The INTERESTING bit here is in finding out how much, and what, Google actually logs and stores.

      So does Google actually log visits by IP adress to a private YouTube page?

      Google logs everything for advertising.
      What Google does NOT do is give anyone any of their info. NO ONE gets anything like that from Google.
      Although there is all their analysis stuff, that doesn't give info which could be used to track you down.

    12. Re:So what does Google actually log? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's more, the company is demanding that a federal judge order Google to surrender the IP addresses and other identifying information (PDF) of those who have viewed or commented about the jailbreak video on a private YouTube page.

      The INTERESTING bit here is in finding out how much, and what, Google actually logs and stores.

      So does Google actually log visits by IP adress to a private YouTube page?

      I might as well get on the list. I don't own and will never own a PS3. But out of disrespect for Sony, here is an idea. Widely post a sexy looking image with a caption like "get your game on" and have it link to the video, then make it catching enough that they will get millions of viewers who don't own a PS3 and it will completely waste the time of detectives tracking down bogus suspects.

    13. Re:So what does Google actually log? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last time you fucked with us. ...Hiroshima happened!

    14. Re:So what does Google actually log? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why wouldn't they?

  28. fsck sony by killmenow · · Score: 1

    Just the simple fact that they're going berserk like this makes me want to go find the exploit info and post it in as many places as possible...behind 7 proxies.

  29. Last console for Sony? by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

    The PS2 was very easily hacked to play pirated games. And yet the PS2 was the most successful console of its generation. The Gameboy line of handhelds have all been very easily hacked, and yet Nintendo sells tons of games and hardware.

    I'm not advocating piracy or saying it has zero effect, but I honestly believe that threatening to sue anyone who even viewed the content (with no proof they hacked their console, or distributed the information) is really going too far. I've long been a Sony supporter. I bought a PS3 instead of a 360 to specifically support Sony. With it I purchased a new Sony surround system and Bravia.

    But I can't imagine every supporting them again for any reason. And why would any consumer want to buy a future console from a company that sues their customers? The key won't kill Playstation, but Sony's behavior will.

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    1. Re:Last console for Sony? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the tip of a very large iceberg. Where have you been for the last ten years?

    2. Re:Last console for Sony? by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      There was this, and the music rootkit fiasco. I've seen first hand that in mammoth corporations, one division really has no clue what another division is doing. So I gave Sony one pass for the rootkit, because the rest of the company shouldn't necessarily be judged by one action the music division.

      What else am I missing?

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    3. Re:Last console for Sony? by sjames · · Score: 1

      The really crazy thing is that it means they would be suing the merely curious who don't game and don't own any console and never intended to.

  30. Youtube Video by psergiu · · Score: 1

    Can someone please put a link to that youtube video ?

    Thanks.

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    1. Re:Youtube Video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Psst... buddy, here you go...
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

    2. Re:Youtube Video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0U6zvvYcTo

    3. Re:Youtube Video by squallbsr · · Score: 1

      You sir are very funny. Of course the GP was pretty much just asking to be rick rolled.

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  31. Reality check fail for Sony lawers by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

    I believe that Sony's lawyers failed miserably in reality check ... What will they do, forcing everyone (on the entire planet) to forget that the hack exists? These guys forget that the reality is quite different from the fairy tale where they live...

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    1. Re:Reality check fail for Sony lawers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what do you expect from the liars. It is their bread and butter. It does not matter if Sony wins or loses, they make their cut for every court filing of soon to be recycled paper. The Sony executives who drive this product are the ones failing the common sense check. First they welcome users to their product with tantalizing features and then take it away which in itself is a breach of trust. Secondly the product is a computer by all mean even if they tout it to be a gaming console and anyone should be able to run any operating system on it if they can make it work. The defense lawyers should remove this ambiguity and make it a class of computing device for entertainment purpose. If the said product is purchased the user may use it in any manner , I would like it to teach my roomba cleaner to be even smarter. The licensing model only can be applied to software and any one should be able to replace it in totality for an alternative.

      The cat is out of the bag and this litigation will tarnish Sony's brand image so much that it will loose potential customers in the long run. I sure would like to know who is having so much stake in Sony's litigation.

  32. Would we put up with this from a Chinese company? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who finds it a little creepy that a foreign company can come into the U.S. and just wantonly try to violate the 1st and 4th amendment rights of our citizens (and presumably, many other citizens around the world)? As big a bunch of tools as Google are, I would hope they would at least tell Sony to go to hell on the identities of commenters and viewers of a web video. And, if they do hand these over, I think the FBI should be investigating THEM.

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  33. I cannot understand Sony's rationale by Goodl · · Score: 1

    We have just discussed this round the table on our lunch break in work (Server Engineers), not a single one of us can think of how this can possibly end well for Sony, In fact I have seen this 'Streisanding' across the office as beta geeks from the service desk etc. come and ask us what all this 'Jailbreaking' on the PS3 is all about and why they are so upset about it. This is such a dumb move that anyone with an ounce of technical knowledge would have advised against. This behaviour has repercussions far beyond its intended target and its scary. I just hope they get slapped down and slapped down hard.

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    1. Re:I cannot understand Sony's rationale by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, this is not being decided by network engineers. It's being decided by rich, corrupt, lawyers and judges. The technical merit of the situation is irrelevant.

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    2. Re:I cannot understand Sony's rationale by Goodl · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, this is not being decided by network engineers. It's being decided by rich, corrupt, lawyers and judges. The technical merit of the situation is irrelevant.

      that's what I think we are all afraid of

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  34. The jailbreak is legal in Spain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember: in Spain, the jailbreak is legal. Guess who is putting pressure on all those ACTA weasels to push those rulings through international bodies.

    Disgusting scum. Bah.

  35. Bah...posting it on /. is lame. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come get me, assholes.
    http://www.awkwardgenius.com/the-good-stuff/

  36. Sue me, motherfucker. by Montezumaa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have all the software and code to hack the PS3. I will also make it available to anyone that asks for it, by emailing me at montezumamd@gmail.com. Seeing as everyone that wants it can get it, Sony will have a hard fucking time suing me, or anyone else. There is also the fact that I am dirty-fucking-poor, and have no money to my name. Also, seeing how I cannot be put in jail for providing what is already publicly available, Sony can do nothing to me.

    I was going to try and comment on that YouTube video(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkLSXsCKDkg), but alas, it is private. So, I will just comment here and say that, if that video is pertaining to hacking the PS3, then good job.

  37. Tada! Comon Sony you bunch of shitheads! by Fysx · · Score: 2

    COME SUE ME SONY, I GOT NO MONEY, AND IM ON SSI HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA TAKE THIS AND SHOVE IT erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19 R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17 n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1 K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

    1. Re:Tada! Comon Sony you bunch of shitheads! by Fysx · · Score: 1

      Forgot to fomat it with html :) COME SUE ME SONY, I GOT NO MONEY, AND IM ON SSI HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA TAKE THIS AND SHOVE IT
      erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
      riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
      pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
      R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
      n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
      K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
      Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

  38. not the right code... by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's the key information for the console, not the program to actually jailbreak it.

    Anyone have a link for GeoHot's jailbreak.zip?

    1. Re:not the right code... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, but I do have a link to a git clone of the code that has been taken down from both Github and from Gitorious.

      http://rapidshare.com/files/446044378/ps3free.tar.bz2

    2. Re:not the right code... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks, but that one is fake.

    3. Re:not the right code... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://appgamesiphone.com/jailbreak-ps3/jailbreak-ps3tuto-fichier-geohot-jailbreak-3-55/

    4. Re:not the right code... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you mean that link in particular or the Gitorious repositories the files inside claim to be cloned from are fake?

    5. Re:not the right code... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't bother.

      Hotz's jailbreak was a half-assed attempt and doesn't work so well.

      What you really want is Kmeaw's CFW for 3.55. Grab that, install it, and a recent version of Gaia/Open Manager.

      -AC

    6. Re:not the right code... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about this page?

      http://portal.kirashi.ca/post/2710879756/ps3jailbreak-zip-geohotz

      click on "Download those PUP’s!"

    7. Re:not the right code... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hash: b813ff51300c42d7c3b96992edfd6746
      *PS3UPDAT.PUP
      http://www.xup.in/dl,57897311/PS3UPDAT.rar/

      File was hash checked and verified by PSXscene:
      http://psx-scene.com/forums/f118/geohot-3-55-jailbreak-zip-down-75476/

      Mirror away.

    8. Re:not the right code... by qirtaiba · · Score: 1

      The best page to link to is hosted on Tor, where Sony won't be able to discover where it is located or by whom. Also, this link is the only one that contains Geohot's source code, as well as his binary: http://wdnqg3ehh3hvalpe.onion/ (obviously this only works if you're connected to the Tor network), otherwise: https://wdnqg3ehh3hvalpe.tor2web.org/

  39. .. of those who have viewed or commented .. by arisvega · · Score: 1

    What are they going to do, send thugs over? [pumps shotgun]

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  40. This is stupid by Dogun · · Score: 1

    Sure, now Sony will have to evaluate new DRM for new games. Big whoop. By antagonizing like this, all they're doing is digging the hole deeper. Adding back the OtherOS option would have been reason enough for the fail0verflow folks to quit.

  41. Re:Would we put up with this from a Chinese compan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sony Computer Entertainment *America* LLC v. Hotz et al

    Foreign owned subsidiary, but an American company. If anything, it's worse that America is imposing its will on the world.. this case in NorCal has a judge who's all too happy to let SCEA sue people who neither live, work or are from the USA.

    If I threw up a mirror they'd try to sue me too, so I'm in that boat. Not that I'd listen to Susan Illston from this side of the pacific ocean.

  42. DoD Playstations? by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know if the US defence dept are still using a cluster of PS3s as a supercomputer? No I realise they'd never be so daft as to connect the cluster to the interwebs, and so never had the other-OS feature removed, but I'll bet there's somebody on the project who's looked into the option of cracking it...

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  43. Here's hoping my new GFYSONY tag catches on... by Assmasher · · Score: 1

    Go **** Yourself SONY...

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  44. Jailbreak is used for cheating by velco · · Score: 0

    Many would attempt to portrait jailbreakers as independent thinkers and tinkerers, while much more likely the majority are 12 yo kids cheating in online games.

  45. Sony, did you not see wikileaks? by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 2

    Exact same thing.
    Wikileaks had been out for awhile and no one cared. Suddenly the government got it's knickers in a twist and tried to shut it down. Suddenly everyone started paying attention.

    As someone who's been a sony customer for quite some time and i've never held interest in hacking or jailbreaking or whatever consoles, I just ignored this whole key fiasco when it first started. Then over and over again you're getting your getting all butthurt about it, pushing everyone into lawsuits over it. Guess what I'm doing when I get home now? If you said "go home and jailbreak my ps3", you're right!

    A big giant "screw you Sony" from a previously loyal customer.

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    1. Re:Sony, did you not see wikileaks? by dk90406 · · Score: 1
      In in best wikileaks tradiation Sony decided to sue the one responsible. It will not get the cat back in the bag, but Sony will feel happy to see the culprits in jail.

      Just as the UK government (and probably other) would love to see Julian Assange disappear from the surface of the Earth. Hence the trial in London today over the dubious rape charges from Sweden.

      Did you BTW noteic how Intel handled the HDCP master key disclosure affair? Basically a statement "Yep, that is they right key. Guess we lost that one. Too bad." (unless I have missed something). Granted that key isn't *that* useful.

  46. Re:Would we put up with this from a Chinese compan by kramerd · · Score: 2

    Am I the only one who finds it a little creepy that a foreign company can come into the U.S. and just wantonly try to violate the 1st and 4th amendment rights of our citizens (and presumably, many other citizens around the world)? p>

    Its just you.

    The rest of understand that freedom of speech doesn't mean consequence free speech. If Sony suffers damages from your speech, they can sue for those damages. Then, you get the opportunity to defend your actions in a court of law.

    There is absolutely no unreasonable search and seizure when you post something on youtube.and Sony sees it. In fact, the posting of something on youtube creates probably cause to search the poster's property provided that a judge issues a warrant. Sony has done nothing wrong in acting in its own best interests. They simply asked a judge to create a warrant so that they can legally search for those whom Sony believes has actually harmed them.

    I assume you lock your door at night, and even if you leave your door unlocked one night, it doesn't excuse theft. However, if someone were to post a youtube video showing specifically how your brand of door lock can be picked, it could be judicially warranted to extract the information of people who subsequently linked to schematics showing where you store valuables in your home, posted when you left for vacation, or otherwise recorded a method of breaking into your house.

    As big a bunch of tools as Google are, I would hope they would at least tell Sony to go to hell on the identities of commenters and viewers of a web video. And, if they do hand these over, I think the FBI should be investigating THEM.

    Obviously youtube has already refused to turn over user information, which is why Sony is asking a judge to overrule them. No need for the FBI here.

  47. sony m$ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's incredible how asinine the behavior of Sony can be when we have lambasted M$ for years here, they can really put M$ to shame.

    When my original 360 died recently, there was a short debate (in my head, which means it was really brief) as to do I replace it with a slim 360 or a ps3. Slim won out, and I know I made the right choice.

    I'll be damned if I give another penny to Sony at this point. I may have to take some electrical tape and cover the logo on my TV, which uselessly, lights up "SONY" for 30 sec when I turn the TV on. Fuck them.

    Sammy or Panny will be getting my dollars for the next TV.

  48. One guy keeps turning up in the logs by fnj · · Score: 4, Funny

    And what is it about asking for the IP address of those who VIEWED it?

    "Gee, this Tor guy is really active!"

  49. Re:Would we put up with this from a Chinese compan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one who finds it a little creepy that a foreign company can come into the U.S. and just wantonly try to violate the 1st and 4th amendment rights of our citizens

    It sure sounds like English is not your native language. I wonder just who the foreigners are here :P

    Plus, do you not realize that Google is one of the few companies that does NOT give any information over to the government?
    Recall the wifi packet capture data being demanded by every state?
    Recall the warentless wiretaps?

    Stop being such a tool.

  50. obligatory stripes parody by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    Sony Francis says "You just made the list, buddy. Also, I don’t like no one touching my stuff. So just keep your meathooks off. If I catch any of you guys in my stuff, I’ll kill you. And I don’t like nobody blogging about me. Any of you **homos** blog me, and I’ll kill you."

    1. Re:obligatory stripes parody by I+Am+JAFI · · Score: 1

      Lighten up, Francis.

  51. oblg profit / new business model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Old business model:

    1. Sell product
    2. Hack computers of people who purchased it
    3. ?
    4. ?
    5. Profit! ...
    6. Abused customers push back, force Sony to stop criminal behaviour :(*

    New business model:

    1. Sell product
    2. Sue people who purchased it
    3. ?
    4. ?
    5. Profit!

    There is a point where the people under an abusive dictator push back.

  52. What will sony do with the PSP phone? law says you by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    What will sony do with the PSP phone? law says you can hack a phone for any app and any network! SO I don't sony can get away with sueing to keep the info on how to hack it off the web.

  53. Serendipity by SethThresher · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Serendipity by gknoy · · Score: 1

      What is this? I was thinking maybe it had the keys coded in the URL or GPS coordinates, but ... the numbers seem to small.

    2. Re:Serendipity by SethThresher · · Score: 1

      It's Barbara Streisand's house ;)

  54. mirrored on random.org by slblink · · Score: 1

    Seems that random.org is hosting the keys at http://www.random.org/cgi-bin/randbyte?nbytes=16&format=h Hopefully sony will not sue them!!!!!11

  55. dont forget this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://news.cnet.com/2100-1023-983560.html

  56. yup... by corp769 · · Score: 1

    erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19 R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17 n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1 K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70 I have it too; just want to put it out there, just to let sony know. :)

  57. fb group by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fuck-you-Sony/101743006570296?ref=ts&v=info

  58. Guide to alternate products, or Good bye Sony! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Throwing away the only Sony product in my house - headsets! And never, never looking at Sony again! And why should I, if there are so many great products, exceeding very poor stuff from Sony:
    TVs - Samsung
    Mobile - Nokia / HTC / etc
    Photo and Video - Canon
    Projectors - BenQ
    Computers - Asus
    Car Audio - Alpine
    Computers - Asus
    MP3 Players - Sandisk
    Games - XBox

  59. if you insist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    erk it!
    C to the 0 to the C to the E to the F to the E to the 8 to the 4 to the C to the 2 to the 2 to the 7 to the F to the 7 to the 5 to the B to the D to the 0 to the 7 to the A to the 7 to the E to the B to the 8 to the 4 to the 6 to the 5 to the 0 to the 9 to the F to the 9 to the 3 to the B to the 2 to the 3 to the 8 to the E to the 7 to the 7 to the 0 to the D to the A to the C to the B to the 9 to the F to the F to the 4 to the A to the 3 to the 8 to the 8 to the F to the 8 to the 1 to the 2 to the 4 to the 8 to the 2 to the B to the E to the 2 to the 1 to the B
    fuck you sony!
    riv selecta!
    4 to the 7 to the E to the E to the 7 to the 4 to the 5 to the 4 to the E to the 4 to the 7 to the 7 to the 4 to the C to the C to the 9 to the B to the 8 to the 9 to the 6 to the 0 to the C to the 7 to the B to the 5 to the 9 to the F to the 4 to the C to the 1 to the 4 to the D
    fuck you sony!
    down the pub!
    C to the 2 to the D to the 4 to the A to the A to the F to the 3 to the 1 to the 9 to the 3 to the 5 to the 5 to the 0 to the 1 to the 9 to the A to the F to the 9 to the 9 to the D to the 4 to the 4 to the E to the 2 to the B to the 5 to the 8 to the C to the A to the 2 to the 9 to the 2 to the 5 to the 2 to the C to the 8 to the 9 to the 1 to the 2 to the 3 to the D to the 1 to the 1 to the D to the 6 to the 2 to the 1 to the 8 to the F to the 4 to the 0 to the B to the 1 to the 3 to the 8 to the C to the A to the B to the 2 to the 9 to the B to the 7 to the 1 to the 0 to the 1 to the F to the 3 to the A to the E to the B to the 7 to the 2 to the A to the 9 to the 7 to the 5 to the 0 to the 1 to the 9
    copy my lyrics, you'll do hard time!
    gettin ready for R!
    8 to the 0 to the 6 to the E to the 0 to the 7 to the 8 to the F to the A to the 1 to the 5 to the 2 to the 9 to the 7 to the 9 to the 0 to the C to the E to the 1 to the A to the A to the E to the 0 to the 2 to the B to the A to the D to the D to the 6 to the F to the A to the A to the A to the 6 to the A to the F to the 7 to the 4 to the 1 to the 7
    i'm just gettin' revvin'!
    get down with the n!
    E to the 1 to the 3 to the A to the 7 to the E to the B to the C to the 3 to the A to the C to the C to the E to the B to the 1 to the C to the B to the 5 to the 6 to the C to the C to the 8 to the 6 to the 0 to the F to the C to the A to the B to the D to the B to the 6 to the A to the 0 to the 4 to the 8 to the C to the 5 to the 5 to the E to the 1
    not long now, almost done!
    party wit' my special K!
    B to the A to the 9 to the 0 to the 5 to the 5 to the 9 to the 1 to the 6 to the 8 to the 6 to the 1 to the B to the 9 to the 7 to the 7 to the E to the D to the C to the B to the E to the D to the 9 to the 2 to the 0 to the 0 to the 5 to the 0 to the 9 to the 2 to the F to the 6 to the 6 to the C to the 7 to the A to the 3 to the D to the 8 to the D
    once again, fuck you sony!
    la dee dee, la dee Da!
    C to the 5 to the B to the 2 to the B to the F to the A to the 1 to the A to the 4 to the 1 to the 3 to the D to the D to the 1 to the 6 to the F to the 2 to the 6 to the D to the 3 to the 1 to the C to the 0 to the F to the 2 to the E to the D to the 4 to the 7 to the 2 to the 0 to the D to the C to the F to the B to the 0 to the 6 to the 7 to the 0
    hope y'all enjoyed the show,
    now it's time to GTFO!

    1. Re:if you insist. by Xserv · · Score: 1

      This reeks of Jay-Z's H to the Izzo! Fo' shizzle my nizzle used to steal code from tha' Son-ay...

      ...Ok, so it was a stretch....

      --
      "I love lamp."
  60. List of IPs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could Google just respond with 0.0.0.0/0 ?

  61. Going over old ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry to reiterate this, but,

    erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
    riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
    pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
    R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
    n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
    K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
    Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

  62. how is this a DMCA issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The DMCA makes it either a civil or criminal offense to traffic in wares meant to circumvent devices protecting copyrighted works.

    IANAL, but how is the PS3 hack circumventing a device that protects a copyrighted work? Sure it allows you to use an already-hacked work, but the PS3 isn't doing to the copyright protection to begin with.

    1. Re:how is this a DMCA issue? by omglolbah · · Score: 1

      The PS3 does various validations of the software being loaded.
      This hack breaks that validation.

      That makes it a circumvention device in that it circumvents the checks/validation.

      Oh.. and "device" in this case can be a piece of software too, not just hardware.

    2. Re:how is this a DMCA issue? by russotto · · Score: 1

      The PS3 does various validations of the software being loaded. This hack breaks that validation.

      No, it doesn't. It creates images which pass the validation.

    3. Re:how is this a DMCA issue? by omglolbah · · Score: 1

      Let me rephrase:

      "I creates images which pass validation without the explicit permission of Sony. This would circumvent the protection."

      I personally dont agree that the code should be any kind of illegal, but I do see Sony's side of it and I hope the courts will come down on the side of the consumer and not Sony.

    4. Re:how is this a DMCA issue? by russotto · · Score: 1

      Let me rephrase:

      "I creates images which pass validation without the explicit permission of Sony. This would circumvent the protection."

      That's something the lawyers can argue about all day. Personally I'd argue it isn't circumvention, any more than opening a safe by entering the combination is circumvention of the safe lock. I doubt it'll ever make it to court, though.

  63. Uhmm.. What Happen to the Rights of the People? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is scary...Seriously fucking scary. A company is trying to make another company release the PERSONAL information of individuals simply because they commented on a Youtube video! There is something seriously wrong with this....

  64. In light of the iPhone decision by HikingStick · · Score: 2

    In light of the iPhone decision (that allowed "jailbreaking"), I wonder if they really have a leg on which to stand. Or is it that the iPhone decision only pertains to opening it up to additional software choicese (does the PS3 break imply more)?

    --
    I use irony whenever I can, but my shirts are still wrinkled...
    1. Re:In light of the iPhone decision by luther349 · · Score: 1

      no it does not. sony pulles this stunt with every system and lose every time. they seem to think the rules dont apply with every new system.

  65. sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i dont know why every major electronics company, sony, microsoft, etc has to be asses about something that encourages the gaming community to purchase and use products they made. Its almost as if they dont realize that people a spending their earned money for a luxury item, yet when people start hacking and cracking their own property to better the experience for themselves they almost instantly try to sue everyone connected to the hack. sony fuck you, (and your couch you sit on) personally i feel that this is going to end up just like the iphone/touch jailbreak situation that happened. Because of cydia you can get apps like app cake and installous, and from the you can get just about any app found in the app store. I find it interesting that they try to protect their materials so much and yet they end up hurting themselves in the process. like when the mac version of the app store HOSTED a cracked version of an app already in the app store...

    Sony, do i really have to say anymore, oh shit i saw the code posted in the comment section what are you gonna do sue me for something posted on a INFORMATIONAL/NEWS site... seriously go fuck yourselves with a cheese grater

    1. Re:sony by luther349 · · Score: 1

      sony and apple seem to think the fair use rules done apply to them. so we get a legile mess to deal with and in the end they wind up losing. they knoe this will happon but they have to look good for there investors. being when the jailbrake got relesed there investers probly started dumping stock on sony. so sony response we will wast the courts time to looks good to the investers for the short term wile they are short selling there stock to make some quick bucks. being when they do lose the case there stock on the ps3 is gonna sink. lets not forget game devs that aruldy hated working on the system now have a excuse for not relesing anything for the ps3. its all smoke and mirrors.

  66. In Their Defense, You're Not A Customer by Petersko · · Score: 1

    "For years I have been planning to get a PS3, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna give a penny to a company that is going to use the money to sue me and my peers... Guess I'll just have to buy used."

    Shouldn't you have moved beyond the planning stage by now?

    In any case, the complications arising from moving to the more complex used market combined with your historical performance record mean hopefully you'll get one some time in the 2020's - but I wouldn't count on it.

    1. Re:In Their Defense, You're Not A Customer by maclizard · · Score: 1

      I guess I should have mentioned that I have been a devote PlayStation, PS2 and PSP owner as well as various other Sony products. I'm just not an early adopter, and now I have kids so gaming is less of a priority, thus a longer justified wait for the PS3. So, I am a customer; a customer that Sony worked hard to get through years of fantastic innovation and marketing, and in my eyes they have let a law firm throw all that away.

  67. And today's NewEgg "Product Spotlight" is... by gregthebunny · · Score: 1

    ...ironic?

    SONY Playstation 3 Console 160 GB Black $50 promotional gift card with purchase, ends 2/14
    1. Re:And today's NewEgg "Product Spotlight" is... by Scott64 · · Score: 1

      Coincidental

  68. Idiots. by Big+Boss · · Score: 2

    I was already done with Sony. They don't even make high quality stuff anymore, it's all disposable junk they charge a premium to put their name on. The last straw was a BluRay movie, a $10 one, refusing to play on my PS3 without a firmware upgrade. WTF?!?!?! It's a PAID FOR MOVIE. Fuck you. Not only that, I think I'm going to start pirating all my media. I don't have to deal with this shit on pirated movies/games.

    1. Re:Idiots. by luther349 · · Score: 1

      blueray sucks no matter what player you use. the entire useless push for it is due to the fact dvds are easily decrypted. lucky the masses where to smart for it and pretty mutch everyone stuck to dvd dispite the short lived desprit attempt to relese a cuple movies as blue ray only. gotta rember the ps3 is still the top selling blueray player and most people dont even own a blue ray movie for it. and ps3 sales are not even that great.

    2. Re:Idiots. by Ninth+Marion · · Score: 2

      Yep, this happened to me with the first Blue ray (and last!) I ever bought, at the worst time. We'd been working our asses off packing for a move, took a break on the last night to watch a movie we'd been waiting for before packing the TV—one that I'd bought that morning (on Blue ray since the DVD wasn't in stock, I'd even made sure it was region free)—and the ps3 said we had to update the key to watch it at all. The internet had just been disconnected which meant the disc was as good as a coaster for our purposes. Seriously, this shit only hurts customers; if I'd snatched it from the internet, which I could have easily, we'd have had no hassle. The only way not to feel like a sucker is to pirate, a much better experience.

  69. bring it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have viewed the code, the instructions, etc. as I like to read and know more. I do not own a PS3. Sue me for having a brain and wanting to fill it with useless knowledge, be my guest, and good luck with that.

  70. try and fail by luther349 · · Score: 1

    dunno why they think they can stop the hack. not even microsoft whent this crazy when the orignal xbox got softmodded. not that it effects me any i dont own a ps3 nor plan on ever owing one. heck when the ps2 got softmodded sony didnt say a word. what is there hardon with the ps3 there worst system ever relesed.

  71. Interpretations by martinux · · Score: 1

    PART ONE - PerkS OF LANGUAGE:
    Couldn't zero
    Can't Eat
    Feeling Evil
    ate for
    Central too

    two seven
    Found seven
    five Bees
    Done nothing
    seven Agreements

    seven Extrapolate
    Bound eight
    for six
    five none
    nine Felt

    nintey three
    Beat two
    three ate
    Except seven
    seven zero

    Digital Artifact
    Censored Blocks
    nien Faults
    Fortune for
    Alas three

    eight ate
    For eight
    one too
    forty ate
    to Burst

    Eventually two
    one Broken

  72. Just curious, but where is Penny Arcade? by Maudib · · Score: 1

    With PAX East coming up, it might be a good time for PA to weigh in on Sony's attack on gamers property rights. This was once the sort of stuff they would be all over. Would there be a more powerful statement against Sony then Pax banning any presence of the PS3 or PSP?

    Yet PA silently stands by while free speech and property rights are raped by Sony.

  73. BOYCOTT SONY by scharkalvin · · Score: 1

    Someone should start a bonfire of burning PS3's right in the middle of Times Square.
    Throw in a bunch of other Sony products while you're at it. Burn pictures of Sony's CEO and stick
    pins in a voodo doll that looks like him. Sell their frag'n stock short.
    There, I feel better already.

  74. Sony says: In the year 2101 by Delight-Delirium · · Score: 1

    All your firmware are belong to us!

  75. mirrors? by Tom · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The last few times things like this happened, /. was one of the places where you'd find list of mirrors, and every 3rd comment was someone posting his mirror.

    Now, it's all complaining, whining, and crying.

    It may finally be time to let this site die.

    --
    Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
    1. Re:mirrors? by yeshuawatso · · Score: 2

      Maybe not mirrors, but a slew of comments with the key. It isn't really hard to use a key in a home brew application for handshake authentication, so the most important snippet is the key.

      Furethermore, owners of the PS3 didn't really care for hacking it themselves, but apparently do care when Sony takes the ability from their friends and neighbors who are willing to void their warranties and do cool things. I own a hacked wii and I constantly show off my ability to delete and backup the same game over and over to my friends and family. When they ask me if I download games off the net, I point them to the scratched DVDs from mishandling by the four year old and the file size of some of the games and let them know it's cheaper to simply buy the game used off ebay than it is spend the time and frustration necessary to download a wii game. After that discussion, I show them all the games I made for IOS compiled for the wii since it's not that hard to use the libraries. They generally seem impressed and we move on to another topic. At the end of the day, they have no more interest in hacking their wii than when we started the conversation. They do have an interest in me being sued for using a device in a way that extends the original manufacture's design for my own purposes.

      That's what all the fuss is about. If my brother, a PS3 owner, was sued because he watched a video about hacking his hardware, my other brother that owns an xbox, our friends, and myself would be concerned that buying a console and watching what OTHERS do with their hardware can result in being sued, even though he didn't actually hack the device himself. This place a cost on us because if he can't afford to pay his bills, loses his job, or generally loses his wages for the rest of his life because he watched a video, then the harm is multiplied to those who have to help our loved ones. That's why this seems so atrocious in the first place.

    2. Re:mirrors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is one low UID mate. I threw my low number away as it seemed to attract fan-boi types. When /. started to attract the I had better fan/friend that dude as he has a low UID I started to feel sad for the future of /.

      Just in the last couple of years I have been stunned at the number of comments modded +5 informative/insightful/whatever that are completely devoid of any value whatsoever and I have attempted to contact the powers that be with my ideas for new methods of moderation that might increase the signal to noise ratio but all to no avail. I feel much the way that you appear to. It was a good ride my unknown friend.

    3. Re:mirrors? by Tom · · Score: 1

      That is one low UID mate. I threw my low number away as it seemed to attract fan-boi types.

      It does, but I have enough controversial opinions and not enough fear to post them and that combination keeps the numbers low.

      When /. started to attract the I had better fan/friend that dude as he has a low UID I started to feel sad for the future of /.

      Indeed, I held back for several years on setting anyone on fan or foe myself, because just like Facebook I find that a too binary, too simple, too undifferentiated qualifier. But I've long since given up hope that someone will give us a better set of options. Hey Facebook, if you're listening, at least make the diffference between "I know this person" and "he's a friend". *sigh*
      (and no, groups is not the same thing, as it doesn't show publicly)

      ideas for new methods of moderation that might increase the signal to noise ratio but all to no avail.

      I think the problem is in the numbers. A fixed number system is nice and easy to understand and code - but it doesn't scale. Especially when you encourage moderators to prefer modding up over modding down. In a sufficiently large crowd, you will find 5 people who think you're genius.

      That said, it does work fairly well. I find the selection of comments (I browse at +4) better than at any other site, that's one of the reasons I'm still here - most articles I couldn't care less, but the comments are often good.

      --
      Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
  76. PS3 has no games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PS3 still has no games fyi

  77. Re:Would we put up with this from a Chinese compan by aiken_d · · Score: 1

    Yes, you are the only one who:

    - Doesn't know that Sony is a Japanese company
    - Doesn't understand that the First Amendment applies to government regulation of speech
    - Doesn't understand that the Fourth Amendment applies to government search&seizure, and does not make subpoenas illegal
    - Doesn't understand that the First and Fourth Amendments don't apply to "other citizens around the world"
    - Doesn't realize how idiotic it sounds to want the FBI to investigate a company should they comply with a subpoena issued by a federal judge

    Your heart is in the right place. But your brain, well, it could use some work.

    --
    If I wanted a sig I would have filled in that stupid box.
  78. One more reason not to buy Sony products. by Larry_Dillon · · Score: 1

    It's such a shame. Sony used to be the best consumer electronics company. The problems started when Sony added Sony Music, which had the side effect of Sony not launching a MP3 player until years after other companies. Sony Music didn't want Sony Consumer Electronics making a device that might allow music copying. It got worse when Sony added Sony Pictures. They could have made the killer set top box but Sony Pictures didn't want Sony CE making a device that might hurt DVD sales. Now we have Sony suing people who are ostensibly trying to get back functionality that they took away. This sue your customers business model has got to stop.

    --
    Competition Good, Monopoly Bad.
  79. New game for youtube by gochomoe · · Score: 2

    Instead of rick-rolling we need to start ps3 hack-rolling and give them some real numbers to try suing. I want to see them sending out millions of lawsuit letters to everyone who thought they were gonna see the new Beiber video.

  80. Re:Would we put up with this from a Chinese compan by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    Doesn't know that Sony is a Japanese company

    Uh, that was kind of my point.

    Doesn't understand that the First Amendment applies to government regulation of speech
    Doesn't understand that the Fourth Amendment applies to government search&seizure, and does not make subpoenas illegal

    Who do you think *approves* the subpoena...McDonalds?

    Doesn't understand that the First and Fourth Amendments don't apply to "other citizens around the world"

    Yes, because no other country has any laws protecting privacy and offering protection against search and seizure.

    Doesn't realize how idiotic it sounds to want the FBI to investigate a company should they comply with a subpoena issued by a federal judge

    The issue was whether they would comply *without* a court order. And whether or not a court would (or, rather, should) issue such an order.

    --
    SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
  81. We are starving! by SuperTechnoNerd · · Score: 2

    We here at sony have the right to make money. All you hacker, crackers, and slashdotters think you are all so smart. Remember we have to feed our families and put bread on the table. For every hack posted, more of our families are starving. So to all of you hacking, thinking of hacking, dreaming of hacking, watching others hack, or talking about hacking - we will find you and destroy you to keep food on our table. You may have purchased a PS3, but we still own it, every last one. We have the law on our side. We will hunt you down, your children and mothers. We will sue anyone in our way or in our line of sight. You are all guilty of grievous actions. We will make you pay for starving our families. You think you can do what you want, but we are in control. Thees are our game consoles. We are collecting your IP address and are sending subpeonas to slashdot and your service provider as we speak.

    With that out of the way, please indicate below if you want to sign up for a %10 discount coupon for our new PS4 and be one of the first to receive this new and best playstation ever. ________________

  82. Really? by P.+Legba · · Score: 1

    Viewed and commented upon a YouTube video?

    Really?

    For sale: 1 PS3.

  83. Wish Sony Execs would open their eyes by Tharald · · Score: 1

    Sony has been acting seriously consumer hostile for at least a couple of decades. I personally stopped buying their products after I bought an "MP3" player that would only play ATRAC, not MP3. Event though they have had some good tech, I consequently don't even look at their products. Most tech savy people i know feel the same way and we nerds have a lot of sway when it comes to influencing other people buying tech.

    Sony need a total change of leadership, so they can start focusing on selling customers things they need instead of screwing their customers. Or maybe its best they just go down in flames. For me they are nothing but an annoyance everytime they come up in the news with some new pathetic scheme.

  84. I viewed it, here's my IP: by mamas · · Score: 0

    I viewed it, I hereby turn myself in. Here's my IP: 127.0.0.1

  85. There's always another hacker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is how you can see such a disconnect between the intelligent, hardworking people who *make* and the boneheads who decide. The people who made this platform, flaw and all, are damned clever. they put heart and soul into bringing forth something which can bring joy to millions.

    Then somebody up top decides to lock it down, act like the manufacturer still owns a purchased piece of hardware, with all of the benefits and yet somehow none of the drawbacks (like replacing it for free forever).

    Some member of the public works around this artificial limitation so that their own purchased hardware is once again their own - the "fix" is explicitly built in such a way as to not allow piracy, although such a hack means that somebody *else* can quite probably work off it to produce something new again, but that's another question.

    Then the people who decide accuse said member of the public of doing the unthinkable - using *math*. They also accuse him of doing something he didn't.

    Now, the people who make don't only work for Sony, they live all over this big beautiful globe we call "the earth" and they don't always live under the same rules or within the legal reach of the company that likes to have it's cake and eat it, and yet the people who decide *just don't get it*.

    They can create a chilling effect on the homebrewers, the guys who unlocked their own hardware and taught others too, but they cannot legally stop every single hacker on the planet. There are always other people out there willing to pry open locked-down systems for the pure fun of it, and a damn sight mass of them aren't bound by the terms of the DMCA. If they scare off the homebrew crowd, like they have, the only guys left will be those out for less wholesome intentions.

    Moral of the story: look both ways before crossing the street. or, don't be a dick to your fanbase.

  86. Sony's failure & obligatory mirror by Cito · · Score: 1

    Sony is trying to fight a losing battle with this one and of course obligatory mirrors http://sites.google.com/site/eclement/ps3jailbreak or http://qoaa.blogspot.com/2011/02/ps3-jailbreak.html

  87. Sony also demanded by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    access to all the Kings' horses and all the Kings' men...

  88. Sony, get a life! by joerog · · Score: 1

    "Hackers" are GOOD for business. Pay attention to what they are doing. They are showing you new ways to use your product. If there was no demand, nobody would do it. So consider the 'hackers' as a freebie addition to your R&D department. There are so many good minds out there with original ideas and they will make money for you if you would just loosen up a bit!