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Punish Bad Users With Drupal Misery
If you're sick of banning or deleting troublemakers on your Drupal website, you might want to check out Misery, the module designed to give trolls a taste of their own medicine. Creating a random length delay for a user, redirecting them to a random page, presenting them with a 404 error, and crashing their browser if they're using IE6 are just a few of the things you can make users endure with Misery. I'm still waiting patiently for a Punch In the Nose module, but this is a good start.
When I read the title I thought it was about being forced to use Drupal at all.
If Misery isn't enough for you, you can try the module "Crime Against Humanity". It forces the trolls to admin a site that runs Drupal.
What code are they using to crash IE6?
I always thought the most effective way to combat trolls would be to silently flag their account, allowing them to post and continue viewing the forums as normal, but everything they do is completely invisible. The system could also generate fake replies to their replies and threads, also completely invisible.
By serving 40% of your malicious users with a delay, you actually spend more resources (mostly memory) on trolls. Sure, in 60% of the cases, you spend nearly nothing, but it sure opens possibilities for DDoS attacks: open accounts, troll a lot, get miserable and simply troll harder.
Bad idea.
All it will do is generate hundreds of bug reports.
And. It doesn't really address the problem. If 'Misery' can auto-magically detect trolling why not just auto-ban or auto-suspend and give an explanation?
That assumes of course that 'Misery' can detect trolling reliably -which I doubt- so realistically it's going to annoy 'normal' users, ie the ones your web site presumably wants to keep, who will just think your web site is badly written and buggy.
In short: it's a stupid idea and a stupid plugin.
Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
I wonder who I pissed off! :-)
No, "crashing their browser if their using IE6".
FC Closer
"browser if their using IE6" in the original post is incorrect. It should be 'they are'.
Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
Behold, we have a Luser Attitude Re-adjustment Tool.
"Place me in the company of those who seek Truth, but deliver me from those who believe to have found it."
Users are an asset(unless your site is purely a hobby for your amusement); but, in sites that feature any sort of user interaction, some assets have a net negative value.
If a user is bad enough to drive others away, getting rid of them is the strategy that maximizes the size of your userbase. Once you factor in the fact that users vary in level of quality, terminating the undesirables starts to look even more attractive.
For websites that are of the simple 1 user interacting with some interface/body of data/whatever, sure, it doesn't make sense to drive off anybody who isn't actively destructive. If community dynamics come into it, though, you will quickly run into the fact that some people will bleed a community dry and then tubgirl its shriveled husk. If you want a userbase, you don't want them.
I think AC was refering to this bit:
if their using IE6
Is there a way I can enable this, like, sitewide by default, punished user or not?
Really? Thank you so fucking much. Nobody knew that at all. It certainly couldn't have just been a slip, it had to come from ignorance. I'm so excited that I can come to this free internet to learn about grammar from such excellent minds as yours.
If I can just reach out with my words and touch a butthole, just one, it will all be worth it.
So "if their using IE6" is correct in what dialect of English? Brain-dead retarded?
FC Closer
designed for Admins who are as childish as the trolls.
You beat me too it.
-- tonybaldwin.me
...with the IE6 crashing thing. Granted, it's turned off by default which is a good thing. Looking through the other options, they all affect the way the troublemaker interacts with the site, so essentially are all within the realms of the site owners responsibility.
Crashing a browser is actively and knowingly interfering with the users local software and could have unknown consequences, moreso if it manages to take their entire machine out.
Other than that, it's a nice and interesting way of messing with your online nemeses.
DailyKos has a better way to deal with Trolls. Enough downvotes and the system makes all their posts invisible to the rest of the users. The troll still sees them so he/she wouldn't know they're essentially locked out (at least not right away).
Harming your users doesn't seem to me a good idea at all. Adding more bad behavior to the Internet is unlikely to improve anyone's situation. And crashing their browsers? That crosses an ethical line, in my opinion. What's next, infecting them with malware out of spite?
[Sir Garlon] is the marvellest knight that is now living, for he destroyeth many good knights, for he goeth invisible.
I would assume AC is complaining about "if their using IE6".
If you can't convince them, convict them.
This is pretty funny in theory, but in practice, as others have noted, it's not really very professional or a good idea..
Better off just banning them, using CAPTCHA, etc.
Not to mention redundant. The first their tells us who the subject is. There is no reason to reference them again with another they.
"crashing their browser if using IE6" is sufficient.
She is, do you have a point?
The primary problem with trolls is that they get fed. Other users MUST feed trolls - They're powerless to resist. You can scream DON'T FEED THE TROLLS at the top of your lungs yet time after time after time yet they'll still be fed, everywhere, all the time. If you could somehow figure out how to address the other users who feed the trolls, the trolls would eventually starve and die off. Of course, getting rid of spam would be easier than this, as it goes against human nature, but if it could be solved the troll problem would go away...
Except, in theory we have these people called editors whose job it is to actually, you know, edit the submissions for some semblance of grammatical and spelling goodness.
In theory, these people even get paid for this task, which is intended to actually cause them to do it instead of blindly clicking.
But, hey, snark all you want ... why should Slashdot be any different from the mainstream media, where spelling and identifying which homonym to use is also going by the way side.
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It is if they're using IE6.
No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
silently flag their account, allowing them to post and continue viewing the forums as normal, but everything they do is completely invisible.
That's the Graklaw Pan Jones Module...
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/groklaw-accused-of-censorship/7826
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I think AC was refering to this bit:
if their using IE6
Heh. One of the features could be to randomly search and replace 'their' for "they're" and cause a 404 to come up when they try to reply to those posts.
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Personally, I believe that heckling the hecklers is the better way to go. It actually adds to the show and can draw a good crowd. Verbal abuse should be taught as a martial art in the schools.
For justice, we must go to Don Corleone
I'm not saying they shouldn't correct it, but explaining it to an editor is the kind of thing a butthole would do. Do you honestly think they didn't already know the difference? You said it yourself, they get paid for this. They know the most basic grammar. It's irritating watching all these posts about one typo, acting as if they're telling something the editor didn't know. But if your little lesson in 3rd grade grammar makes you feel like you're contributing go ahead. Be honest, if you were typing and somebody was reading over your shoulder and told you "Oh, by the way, knew with a 'k' is the past tense of know with a 'k' (as opposed to N-O, the opposite of yes) but you typed 'new' as in not old" wouldn't you think that guy was a total ass? I certainly would. The difference between "its" and "it's" is more reasonable to explain since people are legitimately confused by it.
If I can just reach out with my words and touch a butthole, just one, it will all be worth it.
If a user is bad enough to drive others away, getting rid of them is the strategy that maximizes the size of your userbase.
Then just ban them. There is no reason to get vindictive.
Sure there's a reason; it's called being an insufferable manchild. Plenty of Slashdot users should have firsthand experience with that one...
That and I doubt that it will curve their behavior, they will just figure your site is just crappy. It reminds me a of the old SysOp fuction on the old BBS Software ( WWIV) that allowed you to disconnect a user and make it look like line noise. It was good in the aspect that you could kick them off without them being personally offended, but it made it look like your line wasn't high quality and often will not go back to your site.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
But if you ban them they just clear cookies, change their IP, and register a new account.
See the recent Slashdot re-design for an example.
No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
Slash should totally highlight troublesome words in the editor view. The worst ones on the web are:
Loose / lose
There / their / they're
Definately (sic)
Its / it's
Lead / led
I've seen lots of 'loose' used for 'lose' especially. The iOS (helpfully) corrects 'its' to 'it's' every time, leading to more of these errors. I have no idea why people think 'lead' is the past tense of -uh- 'lead' nor why 'definately' is such a common mistake, but generally most people are pretty bad spellers, not to mention we have varying degrees of dylsexia.
-- thinkyhead software and media
What if my goal in running a website is personal satisfaction rather than profit? I believe that using such a tool to screw around with an unwanted visitor could be deeply satisfying.
Or at some startup company that is trying to make a profit, but where the atmosphere is more fun and exciting than professional (and the pay is probably commensurate), this could be a way to let your admin blow off a little steam.
Just because it would never fly at your company doesn't mean that there are no situations where this plugin is acceptable to use. At the end of the day it's the owner's website, and they can do whatever pleases them.
And how could I forget 'to' / 'too'?
-- thinkyhead software and media
Didn't know ... didn't fix it ... didn't care ... same difference. The net effect is that the editor didn't edit, and one of the countless pedants on Slashdot pointed out that it was wrong.
Your account ID is high enough that you might not actually realize that pedantry and being a grammar-nazi is a sport around here. Pointing out something that only a butthole would ... well, yeah.
If you're going to get worked up every time it happens, you might die of stress-induced factors by the end of the week. You can pretty much count on it, every day, in most stories. It's been like that for a long time, and you pissing and moaning about it won't actually help.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
I want to see a module that would let us know how much money /. gets anytime it publishes one of these Drupal articles, can you do that?
Irregardless, your gay and I could care less.
What may be better is to use the cave module, or Beehive's "worm mode".
If you ban a severe troll, they will run around creating new sock puppet accounts. However, if you turn on code that allows them to post, with nobody else ever seeing it, they will happily run around flaming people left and right... then get their hackles up because they see nobody responding. Finally, the troll puts up a "bah, you guys suck" notice and leaves for good.
Really dedicated trolls can get around bans [1]. The trick is to make them waste so much time spinning their wheels with their existing user, where it is easily watched, and on an extreme case, law enforcement can be notified.
[1]: Of course, one can have manual user registration approved by an admin, but it is hard to tell a troll hiding behind a VPN address from someone genuine who is new to the board.
It was good in the aspect that you could kick them off without them being personally offended, but it made it look like your line wasn't high quality and often will not go back to your site.
Isn't that even better? That way trolls will just leave without trying to get back at you or other asshattery, and the good users won't see any disruption, so you probably wouldn't gain much of a reputation as an unreliable site. Is there a downside I'm missing?
Maybe you didn't realize you were dealing with a butthole-nazi. And I don't need to solve all of Slashdots problems over night. If I can just reach out with my words and touch a butthole, just one, it will all be worth it.
If I can just reach out with my words and touch a butthole, just one, it will all be worth it.
You should of ;-) included then/than.
No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
homonyms actually
-- thinkyhead software and media
Alright alright, I apologize for my knee-jerk, anti-butthole reaction. Sometimes you focus so much on finding buttholes, that you don't notice the one in the mirror.
If I can just reach out with my words and touch a butthole, just one, it will all be worth it.
Except, in theory we have these people called editors whose job it is to actually, you know, edit the submissions for some semblance of grammatical and spelling goodness.
Or the editors get paid extra to troll the users? ;)
After all more comments makes their stats look better and maybe generates more ad impressions.
This isn't a 'posting', it's a headline.
It's on a major web site and it's supposed to have gone through an editor and/or screening process before we get to read it.
No sig today...
I think you've found your new sig. ;-)
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
If 'Misery' can auto-magically detect trolling why not just auto-ban or auto-suspend and give an explanation? That assumes of course that 'Misery' can detect trolling reliably -which I doubt- so realistically it's going to annoy 'normal' users, ie the ones your web site presumably wants to keep, who will just think your web site is badly written and buggy. In short: it's a stupid idea and a stupid plugin.
I agree: stupid assumptions lead to a stupid premise which results in one coming to stupid conclusions.
TL;DR: RTFA
I keep expecting we'll get rid of all that just because most people hate it. I predict eventually it's all be something like "itz" and "thayr". Definition is generally definable from context.
I am no way endorsing this, BTW. I happen to like English as it is very much, but it does have a history of relatively rapid change. With the confluence of so many people learning ESL and the younger generation being less tolerant of complicated grammar, usage, and spelling than us older folks, I think a lot of those rules will be simplified in the next decade or two.
Caveat Utilitor
While that completely violates Hanlon's Razor ... I like your ideas, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. ;-)
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
ah, poop.
Caveat Utilitor
Anyone who's ever read Dailykos, even briefly, would have noticed much disagreement among the users. From the split between Hillary and Obama supporters in 2008, toward opinions regarding things like the Health Care bill, the site is far from any sort of "group think." The premise of the site is "electing more and better Democrats", all conversations start from that premise but hardly arrive at a consensus of opinion. But it's true, the site doesn't allow debate on things like repealing Social Security; it's antithetical to the premise. I'm sorry that such a simple concept is confusing to you.
You call that a sentence?
Who is glad? who are you helping? are you helping yourself?
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
I vote that we just abolish the contraction form of both words. If everyone just started writing out "they are" and "it is", then the contraction would go away and there wouldn't be as much confusion.
And if we wanted to completely eliminate the confusion, we could always change the word "there" to "thar". We could start one "talk like a pirate day", and then just keep doing it.
Check out my sci-fi/humor trilogy at PatriotsBooks.
Letting yourself get defined by narcissists (and sociopaths) is The American Way. It's a staple of public schooling, higher education, and the corporate ladder.
What are you, some kind of un-American pinko commie?
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
No worries, it happens to the best of us.
If you don't ban them, but instead start F-N with them, they will "...just clear cookies, change their IP, and register a new account..." and then start a vendetta to get back at the F-N bastard that had the audacity to do something that underhanded and cowardly.
It's the board equivalent of upping a verbal pissing match into a knife fight. Only the really stupid do that.
Could I use it on spammers?
Guess you made your point. It's fixed now.
And this thread will look silly to anyone reading it with the correct veresion in place.
Don't forget Rouge / Rogue
MCSE? No, sir...I don't do Windows. Yes, I am an idealist. What's your point?
They could just make their website as impossible to navigate and use as Slashdot has made theirs.
Most people seem to be using spelling and grammar checking programs which are notorious at getting certain things wrong. Other than that, only grammar nazis give a rodents donkey about a their/they're mix up on an internet forum like slashdot.
If you want to complain about my lack of capitalization of nazis, go right ahead, it's intentional. They are definitely not a proper noun in my opinion.
From Misery documentation:
# Delay: Create a random-length delay, giving the appearance of a slow connection. (by default this happens 40% of the time)
# White screen: Present the user with a white-screen. (by default this happens 10% of the time)
These events do not occur x% of the time but, rather, have an x% chance of occurring.
$random_number = rand(0, 100);
if ($chance >= $random_number) {
return TRUE;
}
If you don't ban them, but instead start F-N with them, they will "...just clear cookies, change their IP, and register a new account..."
Assuming they can figure out that the site isn't just broken.
and then start a vendetta to get back at the F-N bastard that had the audacity to do something that underhanded and cowardly.
Good luck with that. So they get flagged again.
It's the board equivalent of upping a verbal pissing match into a knife fight.
Actually, attempting to circumvent or break the board's security mechanisms could result in legal actions being taken, which would be more like upping it into lobbing a live hand grenade in their direction if they do decide to escalate the matter.
Time is limited. If a group is trying to develop a consensus of opinion or discuss the nuances within an issue, it would be self-defeating to waste time having conversations that are off-topic. Just as an anti-abortion blog isn't going to discuss the merits of making Plan B prescriptions available to women, a blog that is devoted to electing Democrats isn't going to waste it's time discussing another party's platform: that discussion has already been had by the very definition of people already deciding that they want to be part of a group dedicated to electing Democrats. Why would they waste their time discussing an issue that they've already reached a conclusion on? By your logic, at the next townhall I go to, I should raise my hand and ask my rep "So, are we sure we've thought this revolt against King George through? Belonging to the British empire, does have it's merits...
That one got me for the longest time. I actually put myself on a self imposed ban from even using that word for a while. That is why I say that it is a bad idea to complain to much about spelling and grammar. We all make mistakes, and on the odd occasion that I have decided to have a spelling/grammer debate with the Nazi of the day, it always ends with them making spelling and grammer mistakes. If enough words are written, even the best spellers and grammer...ers(?) will make mistakes.
Hanlon's Razor is self referencing.
...give them admin privileges.
Hermes (old Mac BBS program) had that as well. There was one annoying user whom we ended up kicking off multiple times via this method.
Said user whined at a local gathering about how bad $BBS was and how often he got kicked off for line noise. It made him look bad about his complaints, because nobody else had one single issue.
Even more funny was the fact that if he had a MNP3 or MNP5 modem (coupled with the fact the BBS had HST modems at the time that worked with anything), it would be VERY suspicious that he would be kicked off by line noise, had he had any type of clue. Mainly because both of those protocols dropped corrupted frames in hardware, so line noise would just mean no traffic, rather than stuff garbled.
If your admin would blow off a little steam by intentionally screwing with users, you should fire them immediately before you get in too deep with them. Today, they may feel that the internet troll is the one who deserves the sabotage. After their next review, it might be the company that they feel needs to be put in their place.
I have no idea why people think 'lead' is the past tense of -uh- 'lead'
Probably because 'read' is the past tense of 'read'.
I'll except it :)
Alright alright, I apologize for my knee-jerk, anti-butthole reaction. Sometimes you focus so much on finding buttholes, that you don't notice the one in the mirror.
The willingness to admit that definitely qualifies you as "not a butthole". There is no uncertainty about that. I wish that kind of honesty were more common.
It reminds me of that saying, "an error doesn't become a mistake until you refuse to correct it".
To answer your previous post... the use of the English language and its grammar comes quite naturally to me. The correct use of words like "they're" and "their" and "there" is effortless and automatic. It requires no conscious thought; the correct word just seems to fit. I would have to deliberately go out of my way to use them incorrectly. Someone looking over my shoulder as I write would see that I touch-type -- since I am looking at the screen the entire time, I correct any typos and such on-the-fly. It's not so much that I am trying to look for them; it's more like they stand out as something that immediately doesn't look right to me. They get my attention on their own.
Now, do I do that perfectly without ever making a mistake? No, I'm a human being. For just that reason I'd give it a beginning-to-end proofreading prior to submitting it to an audience of many thousands. I would do that to account for the fact that I'm not perfect. I'd bother to account for that because I believe that something worth doing is worth doing well, not to mention that being involved, giving a damn, and doing a good job provides a certain satisfaction that can be difficult to find elsewhere.
I'm not claiming special status here, only that people have strengths and weaknesses and this is one of my strengths. The point I am making is that if I seriously struggled with things like this, and had no intention of doing whatever it took to change that, then I would have no business taking a job as an editor. I would consider myself incompetent and unqualified. That's alright because everyone can't be skilled at every task, but the skills I do and don't have definitely determine the tasks I consider myself competent to handle.
If I were the editor, I would consider myself personally responsible for a discussion where the first few dozen posts are off-topic references to my poor editing that thousands of users must now sift through to get to the topic at hand. What I wouldn't do is expect someone to pay me for work that is unprofessional and mediocre. I think the vast number of comments about it are because it's such a regular event. It's not the occasional error that slips through the cracks, which would be understandable.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
In each case, the apostrophe's signifying a contraction trumps its signifying possession.
Not exactly. We do not use the apostrophe for its, their and your for the same reason we do not write hi's and her's.We use an apostrophe-s to change a non-possessive to a possessive. Its, their, your, his, and hers are already possessives, without the need for an apostrophe.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
"If you don't ban them, but instead start F-N with them, they will "...just clear cookies, change their IP, and register a new account..." and then start a vendetta to get back at the F-N bastard that had the audacity to do something that underhanded and cowardly."
People told me that about screwing with "crackers" trying to ssh or telnet into my servers. I wrote a "screw with them" honeypot back in 1999 that insulted the hell out of them after wasting a lot of their time. I then added a firewall drop rule for their ip address after they logged off or dropped off. It was great looking through the logs of what the script kiddies tried to do.
Today I run one of the fun current honeypots at home just for entertainment. I love how you can modify them and watch as the same idiot tries to download the bait files over and over but they always tend to have a error and abort the download....
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
One of my car hacking websites has this... It's called the troll bin. All the users that get marked as troll can post all they want but nobody but themselves or another troll see it. If you get a rep level above 20 (20 people liked your post) it appears visible to you and you can go and browse the troll bin for reading fun.
I have wasted many hours laughing at how the trolls get all pissed that nobody is responding, then another troll responds, and they troll each other. Every once in a while they figure it out and leave, but some are still there after 4 years.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
I invite the public into my place of business. If some of those people become unruly and disturb others in a way I consider wrong, I have the right to ask them to leave, convince them to leave, tell them to leave, or, if they refuse to leave of their own free will, force them to leave. No force is necessary on the Internet, as in order to "be there" they have to continuously enter the door to collect data to present to themselves on their client machines. But I can use any means to convince them to leave. Personally I'd stop short of damaging their equipment, but feeding them content that fills their page cache, clogs their link history, and bloats the allocated memory of their browser, causing it to thrash in swap? They allow for that by running their browser. Heck, I can name a few facebook games that do it as a matter of course. And if my content happens to interact with known bugs in their browser to stop them from browsing, so be it.
But before it gets to that point, fucking with their minds would be only a fitting response to their behavior.
In short, if you want me to remain a solicitous proprietor and gracious host, you know what not to do.
At one point BBS programs like that started to be able to use CallerID. I had a set of nice US Robotics modems that did callerID and automated callback that allowed me to blacklist users by simply issuing a pickup/hangup as soon as their number appeared on the CID stream.
I loved the callback function... call and log in, ask for admin functions and it drops your call, then calls back to a predetermined phone number for admin access. Significantly reduced hacking at the expense of having to do all admin work at home.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
It's far less effort to check the "misery this miserable fuck" box than it is for them to do all the things to become a miserable fuck in a different mask.
It doesn't matter if it's the same troll or a totally different person trolling. They all look alike after awhile anyway, and dealing with them is pretty much a fixed cost.
So either they'll eventually tire of being fucked with and flicked away, or they'll not, which is more expense to them than it is to me.
You call that a sentence?
Who is glad? who are you helping? are you helping yourself?
No, it is some person named "Glad I" who could help.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
In theory.
In reality, I have seen them edit my submissions, in particular to un-hyperlink some things for which the hyperlinking is redundant. And capitalization. They seem to deal in that.
Not so much for grammar, though, and there's some sentence structure I rushed and wish I had to do over again. I think they may leave those in just to...fuck with us...hmm...
Of course, the Internet being what it is and website owners being what they are, this tends to end up getting used as a way of silencing posters that are entirely reasonable but write facts or arguments that the site owner would rather not see. For example, comments pointing out the ethical problems with the site owner secretly taking money for front-page articles on a post by said site owner about that (Fark did this, and other things). Or comments that mention another popular competing site that the owner is worried about using their clientele to (Fark again did this repeatedly, as apparently did Groklaw).
Oh, and obviously some of your regular commenters might choose to go elsewhere if they knew this was happening - so use this feature to help stop them finding out too! Pretty much every abuse of it tends to involve this tactic.
About the only site I know of that's used this trick and does not appear to abuse it spectacuarly is Reddit, and even then I might just not have heard because they've made it so that I can't see the posts of anyone who's talked about the abuse.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAA!
Seriously?
On my browser (right now it's FF 3.x on RH 5.x) the edit box doesn't even bound the text. I have to guess what words are under the right edge of it, or compose in another window and paste into the box. Honestly, on this browser/OS combo, /. behaves like incredible crap.
Asking the thing to have more features to screw up? Might as well ask it to crash on cue.
No post can even be in the running for "dumbest post ever on Slashdot" without at least an ascii-art goatse and GNAA sponsership. Sheesh.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
On the web, everyone is a CEO.
it's supposed to have gone through an editor and/or screening process before we get to read it
You must be new here.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
There have been english simplification movements in the past, this is why the Red Sox spell their name with an 'x'
Snowden and Manning are heroes.
On my browser (right now it's FF 3.x on RH 5.x) the edit box doesn't even bound the text. I have to guess what words are under the right edge of it, or compose in another window and paste into the box. Honestly, on this browser/OS combo, /. behaves like incredible crap.
And yet it works beautifully on IE for Windows. This from the folks who refused to fix the page-widening bug for months because it only affected IE, and who cares about those losers. I have to chuckle at the irony every time I read the modern complaints.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
You call that a sentence?
Who is glad? who are you helping? are you helping yourself?
No, it is some person named "Glad I" who could help.
I'm pretty sure Glad I is dead by now, otherwise he would be known simply as "Glad". The reason they call him Glad I is to differentiate him from his successor, Glad II.
And THAT ladies and gentlemen, is why sites like Kos need to implement things like this. "socialists" and "goose-stepping" in the same post. Wow! Who wants to read this kind of drivel? I'm just waiting for the slashdot system to kick in. Come on mods...
Even if one is a master in heckling the hecklers, there are more hecklers than there is time.
Learn to love Alaska
Crap. Where's the duc[tk] tape? My brain just exploded.
Just 'insure' you get it right next time...;-)
"I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
Yew beet me two it?
The Quirkz Handbook of Self-Improvement for People Who Are Already Pretty Okay
-1 Muphry
^ This is awesome... must have for my next web project.
"This should be fun, and by fun, I mean a wholly depressing insight into the cognitive ability of some grown adults."
Not every website is a business.
Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
Two sides to that - if the resident troll is driving people away, he's bad for the web site and the community.
On the other hand, trolls have a way of getting people engaged and keeping them way -- both those reading, and those participating in the conversation. It's a bit of a balancing act.
Asshole. (See what I did there?)
Great post, but then you missed it on dylsexia.
My first Journal Entry ever, in 8 years! http://slashdot.org/journal/365947/aphelion-scifi-fantasy-horror-poetry-webzine
Oh, I see... they mean "Somebody who says things we don't agree with", or "Somebody who is winning an argument with us", or "Somebody who can actually think and question things, and that scares me..."
Seriously. We now have the ability to talk about anything in the world, with thousands of other people, anonymously, so that we can say what we really feel. But idiots who use the word "troll" are doing everything they can to prevent free speech- because they themselves are too stupid to be able to actually debate important issues. You see it all the time - somebody goes on a forum and dares to mention the fact that European countries (i.e. white countries) are being invaded by millions of third worlders, who are clearly going to turn those countries into the same as their own countries - i.e. third world countries, and you are labelled a 'troll', and the Leftwing idiots think they have achieved something...
Slash should totally highlight troublesome words in the editor view.
Check out The Oatmeal
Here's a whole series devoted to grammar.
Always informative and amusing.
"I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
Just like you...stagnant is your middle name.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
I have done a few drupal sites, nothing overly complex. I did come into it later so didn't touch the early releases. I recently needed a CMS and used 7.x. I was pleasantly surprised at the ease of use. As it's an easy site and I haven't had to look at any programming I can't speak for under the hood, but for this easy one I'm impressed.
affect/effect
whois gawk date unzip strip find touch finger mount join nice man top fsck grep eject more yes exit umount sleep dump
Earlier than that it was done in MUD (Multi User Dungeon ; command line itnerface RPG for you youngling). We had a special prison room, where you could not recall, you could not suicide, you could not die, you could not use any channel or send any tell. Once there your perso was in effect in Lymbo without anyway to go out but the good grace of the admin. usually reserved for AFK macro'er (you would call them botter nowadays) and abuser or repetitive breaking of rules. Naturally there was the IP perma ban ...Usually not used unless one was relatively sure the Ip of the user was always the same.
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crashing their browser if they're using IE6
For the longest time I thought this was a built-in feature of IE6.
I haven't used it for a wihle so forgive me if it's gone; but Slashdot has historicly given you the ability to ignore posts below a certain rating. Yahoo forums do this now too.
I've always thought it would be interesting to have more than one dimension to the ratings. Let's say you have a preference for "Funny Troll" posts. Instead of Funny+, Troll-, the equation would be something like (Funny AND Troll) ? (Funny-Troll) : (Funny+Troll);
It could be really flexible if you gave users the ability to enter a small snippet of code, which would be eval'd. Surely there is some Perl regex line-noise that would let you enter a simple equation and not something dangerous.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
You call that a sentence?
Who is glad? who are you helping? are you helping yourself?
No, it is some person named "Glad I" who could help.
I'm pretty sure Glad I is dead by now, otherwise he would be known simply as "Glad". The reason they call him Glad I is to differentiate him from his successor, Glad II.
Glad I isn't dead. He just abdicated.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
Yes, good old Glad... he invented cold pressing for olive oil you know... That's why they called him "Glad, the Impeller!!!"
I, even as a hardcore Drupal fan for many years, can perfectly understand what you mean and confirm that dubness is not necessarily involved if you failed to achieve your goals with Drupal. To Drupal's defense I would like to mention three points:
On se Internetz nobody noes your German.
Glad I isn't dead. He just abdicated.
I see. He abdicated to marry a divorced woman and became a duke.
No, I'm a British Royalist out to reconquer everything in the name of Charles vi Brittania!
He really has a good platform.
You oughta meet Lord British. He's good on a number of platforms.
Don't tell me to get a life. I'm a gamer; I have LOTS of lives!
So I'm sorry, someone basically took the Miserable Users hack for vBulletin originally released in 2004 and -- 7 years later -- ported it to Drupal??
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=59727&page=8
Astounding. Neither original, nor news, nor particularly interesting.
There are many powerful, easy-to-use and easy-to-develop for open source CMS systems available; Drupal is not one of them.
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Yes, it's also why we don't speak King James' English anymore. :)
Caveat Utilitor
You've been around here long enough to stop whining about it by now. Seriously.
Aggressive way to punish these people, making their experience miserable(er) surely won't do much to fix their attitude or directly make them feel unwelcome... Then again, I guess website developers aren't here to police the web for everyone else...
That's easy to remember: Rouge is a color, and Rogue is the class that gets snake attacks while flanking.
Grammarian.
system that some people would not stop using when the new system went live. He wanted to make it such a pain to use the old one that they would just start using the new one. The more you used it, the worse it gain.
"Don't teach a man to fish, feed yourself. He's a grown man. Fishing's not that hard." - Ron Swanson
You're not alone. I'm the webmaster for several 501(c)3's, including one that I helped found, and everyone clamors for Drupal. I looked at the documentation on 4 or 5 occasions and said "No thanks, I'll roll my own much more quickly"
Drupal is crappy and so is WordPress, it is being constantly hacked the problem is chmod. If you think it is going to go away think again PHP safe on is a must, geo location is also important, if you do not understand the basics you have no business.
All cows eat grass!
I've often commented that the Drupal community is a piranha pool. Many Drupal developers come off as arrogant, and do little to help newbies, instead nibbling away at their desire to learn Drupal. This whole idea of Misery seems to be conceived by the ideals of the Drupal community. Instead of just being straight out and banning someone, they are going to make their websites a real pain to use. I get the bad feeling some of them won't just be using it on trolls, but ordinary users as well.
Exactly my point.