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Don't Fly If You Just Had Surgery!

mcgrew writes "The Chicago Tribune is reporting that the TSA is now worried about surgically implanted bombs. Are they trying to get everyone to stop flying entirely? I know there's no way they'd get me in an airliner these days. I'll drive, even though it is far, far more dangerous."

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  1. This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    This was from some B movie? any have a name?

    I think it was on the scifi channel I don't think the airplane part was in it but the surgically implanted bombs was.

    1. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by GuJiaXian · · Score: 1

      The Dark Knight.

    2. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was from some B movie? any have a name?

      I think it was on the scifi channel I don't think the airplane part was in it but the surgically implanted bombs was.

      The Dark Knight had a surgically implanted bomb, didn't it?

    3. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by danlock4 · · Score: 1

      Wrong Is Right with Sean Connery?

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    4. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      So what should the TSA do here? Have a TSA surgical team prepped to slice people open and check things out, give them the grope from the inside?

    5. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by SerpentMage · · Score: 2

      Shhhhh Don't give them ideas!!!

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    6. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, they should be disbanded and we should go back to the old security methods. They are clearly just security theater.

    7. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      No - wait... the TSA should actively WORK in every OR in the country to make sure no doctors are implanting bombs in someone who may then fly at some later time, which the doctor knows, and for which he could then set the timing apparatus...

    8. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Impostor, from 2001 had robots with bombs in them: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0160399/

    9. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 2

      MI5/Spooks had an episode where the woman had a bomb implanted in her, and she was supposed to blow up a bunch of dignitaries.

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    10. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Nexus7 · · Score: 1

      Didn't "Hurt Locker" have it (the kid the hero is soft on)?

    11. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by CelticWhisper · · Score: 1

      What was that Schneier was saying about "movie plot threats" again?

      We've had security theater since 2002, now it seems like they're trying to base their approach to security on his "Shit you never, ever do" list.

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    12. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by cfeedback · · Score: 1

      This was from some B movie? any have a name?

      There was a surgically implanted bomb in The Hurt Locker which was hardly a B movie.

      This comment does not imply support of the TSA in the slightest.

    13. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 1

      I think they put the bomb in the kid posthumously in an attempt to bomb the people who would be recovering the body.

    14. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Increasingly intrusive and stupid security theater, but then what do you expect when the average employee makes less than $20/hr.

    15. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by tripleevenfall · · Score: 2

      Jobs program!

      Scalpel ready project!

    16. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by hypergreatthing · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The outer limits had an episode where aliens abducted a human couple (wife and husband) while they were camping, made them into complete replicants with the same memories and all, except when they got near a trigger person (the president or whomever) their hearts would turn into a nuke and blow up. The antagonist was a security officer who's solution was to capture these replicants before they detonated and extract their beating hearts. He even mentions in the episode something to the fact that the last five humans (who were afterwards found out to be non replicants) died for a just cause.

      Fast forward to the end, the husband escapes to the park they were camping in to find the alien ship to prove his innocence. They suspect his wife is the replicant and shoot her before she can explode. They find the original body of her in the alien ship, and then in a twist they also find the dude's body. When learning that he is a replicant he self destructs and explodes killing the security office.

      I can't wait until we get heart extractors in airports.... you know, to find the terrorists.

    17. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fortress. Second best Kurtwood Smith blowing people up role evar.

    18. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imposter is one such movie.

      It's based in the future, a guy turns out to be an alien replicant that has a bomb inside of him. His trigger is like the president or something, when he gets near it he'll go boom. I just watched it a few days ago, and it looks like the TSA did too.

      http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Impostor/60001613

    19. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      Isaac Asimov's short story, "Let's Get Together". Wikipedia says 1957. Androids were substituted for scientists who had attended conferences overseas; plan = when they all attended a major conference which would be addressed by the President, they would get together . . . reaching critical mass.

    20. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Riceballsan · · Score: 1

      The Dr. Who Spinoff torchwood did that kind of. Torchwood's base was destroyed by a extremely powerful bomb placed inside of Jack Harkness.

    21. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't know Christopher Nolan's "The Dark Knight" with Heath Ledger and Christian Bale was a B-movie

    22. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by m4ktub · · Score: 1

      That was the exact movie that poped in my mind after reading the headline and thinking "How can it be undetectable?". But if the TSA starts taking ideas from movies they will not sleep after seeing Transformers or Snakes on a Plane. The last one for different reasons...

    23. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      It was also done in the Dark Knight and used by the Joker to escape jail.

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    24. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      Dance in the Vampire Bund

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    25. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      This was from some B movie? any have a name?

      There was a surgically implanted bomb in The Hurt Locker which was hardly a B movie.

      Fine C+.

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    26. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by SpongeBob+Hitler · · Score: 0

      No, they should be disbanded and we should go back to the old security methods. They are clearly just security theater.

      Yes, just like the East German government thought "You know, this whole STASI thing is getting out of hand. Maybe we should replace it with an organization that is at least mildly sane, instead of one that frigging suspects *everyone* and even takes smell samples in case the hounds need them!" I wonder how that worked out...

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    27. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by DikSeaCup · · Score: 1

      Story was also used in a movie with Gary Sinise named IMPOSTOR.

    28. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by MacGyver2210 · · Score: 1

      There was an episode of Stargate SG-1 where they put a nuclear-sized device in the chest of a little girl, and then tricked the SG-1 folks into rescuing her and bringing the bomb home.

      At least that security theater was entertaining.

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    29. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasn't this in The Dark Knight?

    30. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

      No - wait... the TSA should actively WORK in every OR in the country to make sure no doctors are implanting bombs in someone who may then fly at some later time, which the doctor knows, and for which he could then set the timing apparatus...

      Hmmm... Picture a mostly-washed minimum wage security drone in the OR, picking his nose while staring into the patient's opened chest and shedding dandruff all around. It would certainly shift the focus of malpractice lawsuits away from the surgeons.

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    31. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by turtledawn · · Score: 1

      My grandfather was on a body recovery team in France and Germany during WW2 and they encountered at least one, and possibly multiple, booby-trapped corpses. He didn't like to talk about his experiences very much so I only heard this from my dad.

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    32. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

      "THIS is what democro-surgery looks like!"

      How's that hope and cha...aw, crap! Forget it!

      I can't.

      It's not clever or even remotely funny any more...just very...sad.

      And scary.

      Particularly when you can be labeled a "security risk" and tossed off a flight without a refund (and likely added to some government list) for snapping a pic of a rude airline employee's name badge with your phone.

      Strat

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    33. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by vlueboy · · Score: 1

      Oh that's easy :)
      But to exercise some pedanticness... Let's say this passes, ruling out 300 million American citizens. Facebook has 600 million, so we need to go after them because they're actively engaged in communications with the millions of Americans. So you might as well go for the whole other 5 billion humans on the planet, just to be safe. And we'll solve the employment problem for sure!

      More seriously, though: what about operations that implant stable electronics like pacemakers? can't a bomb be made passive so that a person may house it for months or even years, provided it won't leak and kill the "warrior" prematurely in a very slow chemical death (breast implants, anyone?)

      Almost forgot the point of that: not all bombs are time-based. Who is to say that the bombs can't be synched to a cellphone call, or to the Colorado Time server reaching the entire USA?

    34. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe not The Outer Limits, but more likely the UK series "Out of this World", which did an episode based upon the very famous Philip K. Dick's short story "Imposter."

    35. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      ooohhh great, you just had to drag PKD into the muck!
      meh, he probably invented the TSA and had VALIS beam the idea into John Ashcroft's head, serves him right

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    36. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was Impostor

    37. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Ricochet · · Score: 1

      Last Action Hero - Louie the Fart

      I should probably add a smiley but no one will take that seriously, will they?

    38. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...some pedanticness...

      that's pedanticity

    39. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Well the first example that came to my head was the cranium bomb from Shadowrun. Useful for keeping runners in line.

    40. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasn't it the Trojan Horse in Greece?

    41. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Aztec priest robes optional?

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    42. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      The TSA is citing Netflix use as security briefings?

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    43. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a move called "Imposter" that has the exact same storyline.

    44. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Chris+Tucker · · Score: 1

      By publicly implying on a notorious "hacker" website, that you may have seen The Hurt Locker, you will shortly be sued for illegally downloading, copying and distributing the aforementioned motion picture, because, Internet!

       

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    45. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by sjames · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If they can continue to grope a pre-schooler who is clearly terrified and screaming "NO DON'T TOUCH ME!", they clearly already have a working heart extractor somewhere.

    46. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost, but not quite. We should analyze the weaknesses that lead to the attacks, and plug the holes. 1. Restrict cockpit access. 2. Don't allow IDs issued by local DMVs to be used to gain access. 3. Extra screening for people of certain nationalities and organizational affiliations, no matter how much they bitch. Note, that doesn't mean all Muslims--but if the agency knows you're a member of some radical mosque, then yeah, we're screening you. Tough noogies.

    47. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Script+Cat · · Score: 1

      The Trojan Horse was in Troy.

    48. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 2

      It fueled the unrest that led to the collapse of East Germany ... so it actually worked out pretty well in the long run.

    49. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      I can't wait until we get heart extractors in airports.... you know, to find the terrorists.

      Apparently, they've already been testing them at TSA H.Q. Just look at Janet Napolitano,John Pistole and Blogger Bob if you want to know how they work -- it's already pretty obvious that they've got no heart.

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    50. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm... Picture a mostly-washed minimum wage security drone in the OR, picking his nose while staring into the patient's opened chest and shedding dandruff all around. It would certainly shift the focus of malpractice lawsuits away from the surgeons.

      No, it'll either be actual xray machines or, with an opt-out of two full body xrays a week for the average business traveler, full-on strip searches with cavity probing. Look it up, they are all ready for "inside-the-body scanners"

    51. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're thinking of the movie, "Impostor", based on a PKD story, starring Gary Sinise. Outer Limits? Don't think they did that story.

    52. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dark Knight!

    53. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 1

      Your right , you would have to upgrade Hurt Locker for it to be a B grade movie.

    54. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Apothem · · Score: 1

      One of the movies that come to mind that had that in it would be Spawn.

    55. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've just described the movie "Imposter", which is based upon a Phillip K. Dick short story. No idea if it is an outer limits episode.

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0160399/

       

    56. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Security Theater 3000?

    57. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Movie

    58. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by treeves · · Score: 1

      Pedantry. Get it right!

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    59. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by TheTyrannyOfForcedRe · · Score: 1

      If they can continue to grope a pre-schooler who is clearly terrified and screaming "NO DON'T TOUCH ME!", they clearly already have a working heart extractor somewhere.

      They borrow the Vatican's.

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    60. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In "The Dark Knight Returns" one of the dirty cops has a bomb implanted in him that's activated by a cell phone.

    61. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      How about they just disband? 45,000 people die on American highways every year. I'm far more worried about the idiot in the SUV sending text messages when he's supposed to be driving than I am of terrorists.

      The number of deaths per passenger mile on commercial airlines in the United States between 1995 and 2000 is about 3 deaths per 10 billion passenger miles. while there are 1.3 deaths per hundred million vehicle miles for travel by car.

      They need to disband the TSA and spend that money improving road safety. 3 per ten billion? Your odds of being struck by lightning are higher.

      Only an idiot is afraid of terrorists.

    62. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by tgatliff · · Score: 1

      Wooooohhh... You are talking about racial profiling!!! NO WAY!!! Thats ILLEGAL, and our highly respected government officials say that kind of thing does not work... The only people who do dumb things like that are the Europeans, Israelis, and basically every other country in the world, but what do they know about security anyway???? Nope, our super high tech equipment, high paid TSA agents can smell out any problems with their multi-billion dollar budgets and super high tech scanning equipment.... Sleep safe on that flight while the TSA is on duty burning thru those greenbacks. In fact, what do the people in Europe and especially Israelis know anything about bombings anyway? I mean when I was in London last month one of the security people laughed at me when I started to take off my shoes... I recall him saying something like "dumb ass american".... I didn't worry, though because I KNOW he is the dumb one because our TSA people are the experts after all because we had Sept. 11...

    63. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was this movie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impostor_%28film%29. It was actually well done

    64. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by SpongeBob+Hitler · · Score: 1

      Hhmmm... Apparently, the STASI is still around. And they have mod points!

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    65. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was a Phillip K. Dick story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impostor_%28short_story%29

    66. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by bgowing · · Score: 2

      From that exact Wikipedia article, you can see the airlines FUD. Of course the airlines want you to believe that planes are safer than cars - but only measured by distance. And planes can travel ~8 times faster than cars and have large, enforced distances between them, less people transported per year, etc., so they should be safer, right?

      However, the deaths by journey stats show that you are 3 times MORE likely to die in a plane than in a car. That is, if you take 1000 car journeys and 1000 plane journeys, you are much more likely to die in the plane.

      However, if you ride a motorbike, please carry an organ donor card so that some benefit can be had by others from your death wish.

    67. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Per journey, yes. Not per passenger mile, which affects you as a passenger (counting a driver as a passenger).

      And yes, it doesn't get much more dangerous than a motorcycle.

    68. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by n1ckml007 · · Score: 1
    69. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      It was even a Star Gate episode, except the bomb formed over time, so was much harder to detect.

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    70. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might have been this...? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impostor_%28film%29

    71. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The movie was named "Impostor".

    72. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by bgowing · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's what I said. 3 stars for reading comprehension. Per mile is a crap stat, IMHO. Consider that NASA's space program has a fantastic safety record when measured per mile. Yet, they also have a 6% astronaut death rate, which is not so good.

      I'm waiting until we all have flying cars. They're bound to be safer because flying is much safer, right? Right? And then Hertz-AirCar rental gets sued for racial profiling...

    73. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I'm waiting until we all have flying cars. They're bound to be safer because flying is much safer, right?

      LOL! Loved that one!

    74. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps you were thinking of the movie Impostor (perhaps solely) from Philip K. Dick's short story "The Impostor". Good film, underrated.

    75. Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? by swalve · · Score: 1

      But we don't measure anything in "journeys". We use transportation to go distances. Therefore, measuring injuries per distance makes sense.

  2. No shit. by chemicaldave · · Score: 2

    The next logical measure is to conceal contraband internally, be it through surgery, or more probable, up the butt. I can't wait for someone to be detained with explosives in their bum so we can get our mandatory anal probes.

    1. Re:No shit. by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Bruce Schneier had an article on his blog about someone trying to blow up a Saudi prince using the old "bomb up the butt" technique recently.

    2. Re:No shit. by Zeek40 · · Score: 3, Informative
    3. Re:No shit. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      Prior Art.

      Taco Bell!

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    4. Re:No shit. by couchslug · · Score: 1

      Old Colonic IED is old:

      www.strategypage.com/downloads/iedsrectalcavities.pdf

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    5. Re:No shit. by poity · · Score: 1

      Human flesh can absorb quite a large percentage of the force of an explosion -- for example the soldier who saves his buddies a meter away because he threw himself on a grenade. The damage from an implanted bomb should be far less than one that's carried. So a small implant would probably not cause much harm, which would mean terrorists resorting to implants larger than what they would normally carry. These would be very uncomfortable, perhaps enough such that behavioral indicators (how one bends or sits down) can be used effectively to narrow the profile of such people without resorting to physically checking everyone for scars. Forcing them to take up implants would make the back scatter machines rather useless, but it might have the side effect of making previously less useful detection methods more effective.

      Also, bombs are easy to make, but not many can perform successful surgery, which means their support network will further depend on specially trained people, in which case their level of dependency goes up and decentralization goes down, making them more vulnerable to detection in the planning stage should they choose to go down this path.

      Just my apolitical 2 cents.

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    6. Re:No shit. by poity · · Score: 2

      http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20090902_aqap_paradigm_shifts_and_lessons_learned?utm_source=SWeekly&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=090916&utm_content=text

      After al-Asiri entered a small room to speak with Prince Mohammed, he activated a small improvised explosive device (IED) he had been carrying inside his anal cavity. The resulting explosion ripped al-Asiri to shreds but only lightly injured the shocked prince

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    7. Re:No shit. by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      These would be very uncomfortable, perhaps enough such that behavioral indicators (how one bends or sits down) can be used effectively to narrow the profile of such people without resorting to physically checking everyone for scars.

      Oh great - after you've had to take your shoes and belt off and deal with putting your laptop in the separate tray and put up with the obnoxious tone of the TSA employee who waved you through the metal detector and gave you a pat-down anyway, you get a calisthenics program! Do 10 sit ups, 10 jumping jacks, and bend over to touch your toes 10 times to see if you're moving adequately WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU HAVE OSTEOARTHRITIS - Jack, get the cops here, we've got a terrorist....!

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    8. Re:No shit. by unil_1005 · · Score: 2

      1. It doesn't take a big boom to take a plane down.

      2. Just blowing up and splatting guts all over will drive everybody ape-shit.

      3. Successful surgery (long term survival) is not necessary:
      a. make a small hole in abdominal wall
      b. stuff stuff in.
      c. seal with crazy glue
      d. trigger while pressed against fuselage wall
      e. pick up aircraft pieces with net.

    9. Re:No shit. by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Shocked, SHOCKED I say!

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    10. Re:No shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haha Land of the free home of the brave and anally probed!

    11. Re:No shit. by muridae · · Score: 1

      Long term survival isn't necessary, but have you ever had your abdomen cut open? It hurts, and there is very little room internally unless some other pieces are removed. If some person decided to just implant something under the surface of the skin, it would be an obvious bulge. If it is planted behind the abdominal wall, the incision will be large enough that walking the next day will be difficult, and survival past just a few days would require a skilled surgeon to insure that the bowel and kidneys did not kill the bomber. Any small incision, like for appendectomies or other laparoscopic surgeries, would not provide access to place enough explosives.

      Hell, if the surgeon just nicks the intestine, living for long enough to wake up from anesthetic and walk to an airport would be difficult. And hemorrhagic pain from the decompression of the airplane? Security would stop the guy for babbling and being incoherent; the amount of morphine required to walk without pain after a surgery like that would keep a person out of their mind for few days.

    12. Re:No shit. by enrevanche · · Score: 1

      Precise timing is likely to be difficult. It would immediately set off an explosive detector and probably over-excite any nearby bomb sniffing dogs.

    13. Re:No shit. by unil_1005 · · Score: 1

      Have had my abdomen cut open: twice.

      As for incision, I can grab & pinch at the side of the waist side to exclude internal organs, then cut there. Or would it be easier to use as fat guy, and bury it in the abdominal fat?

      Cut the explosives into small enough portions to fit the hole, and push a lot in, followed by the wireless detonator. It will be enough.

      Pain is largely in your head. It's easy to train people to endure lots of it; women are best at this. Add a local anesthetic, bleach her hair, give her a bit of pot to mellow out and the chick will pass for an American.

      Decompression is not a problem. There's no reason to wait to blow up the plane -- doing it at low altitude insures a greater body count.

    14. Re:No shit. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      "I told you fellows we wanted a public revolt to stop this TSA nonsense."

      "But Mr. President, no matter how stupid and obnoxious we act, the American public sees it as us protecting their safety!"

      "Well, try harder. That's an order."

    15. Re:No shit. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      have you ever had your abdomen cut open? It hurts, and there is very little room internally

      Bullshit, there's plenty of room. Ever seen a fat man? But you still wouldn't bring an airplane down. This wouldn't be meant to explode on a plane, it would be meant to explode in the security line. As I said in TFS your greatest risk is driving to the airport, but your second greatest is pilot error, third mechanical failure, but fifth is the security line; that's where the next attack is most likely to be.

      As to the bulge, it could be disguised as a fetus, the scar could look like a c-section scar and could sit there for months. You don't think Al Quaida could hire competent surgeons? They could leave the bomb in long enough for the incision to heal.

      As to nicking the intestine, a woman I once knew walked around with a hole in her intestine for over a month. Another woman I knew had a cancer on her gall bladder bigger than the gall bladder (she died 4 months after being admitted to the hospital), had been complaining of pain for half a year or more. My old drinking buddy Ralph had a burst appendix, the stubborn old coot wouldn't go to the ER for two days (he died three months later). He was 86, a WWII vet.

      People are tougher than you think. Some of us are, anyway.

    16. Re:No shit. by gay358 · · Score: 1

      If one is ready to become a suicide bomb(er), small amount of pain isn't probably that big obstacle. I have had once abdomen surgery and for me the pain after surgery wasn't more than some soreness during tensing of stomach muscles. I was offered a free taxi back to home on the following day, but I saw no reason why not use public transportation and so I used bus instead.

      I just wish this terrorism hysteria stops. The risk of dying because of terrorism is really small compared to flu, icy roads, cancer, heart disease, car accidents etc and you can never make world 100 % percent safe place.I think Benjamin Franklin said quite correctly: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

    17. Re:No shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That explains everything. The Grey aliens aren't conducting experiments. They're just performing mandatory security checks for the vacation to Sirius we just won!

    18. Re:No shit. by gknoy · · Score: 1

      1. It doesn't take a big boom to take a plane down.

      Why would someone specifically care to target a plane? The only reason planes were used in 9/11 was to deliver a spectacular amount of explosive (fuel) to the WTC, and because at the time people thought the proper response in a terrorist situation was to wait to be rescued once you landed in Elbonia. Anyone wanting now to actually cause fear and chaos would target large groups of unsecured, squishy people. I'm surprised we haven't seen an attack on the line to get through TSA.

    19. Re:No shit. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      The resulting explosion ripped al-Asiri to shreds but only lightly injured the shocked prince

      [in the voice of the moustachio-ed MythBuster]

      "If in doubt, use more C4"

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    20. Re:No shit. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      1.9 Inject selected bomb delivery person with AIDs, hepatitis of various sorts and any other nasty incurables you can find (SIV?). Do this shortly (hours only) before going to the airport to avoid the bomb delivery person developing symptoms. Oh go on - give him an hour with a houri who's got a severe dose of clap too, why not?

      2. Just blowing up and splatting guts all over will drive everybody ape-shit.

      And the bat-shit craziness as the injured and uninjured start realising that they're all infected from the mist of blood, guts and bits of bomber they breathed in.

      At which point it becomes better to have few to no actual casualties on the plane itself. The terror comes from the months of stories of death and disease. So set the bomb off once the plane has loaded : the confined space is better for making sure the infection spreads comprehensively. So ... set the bomb off on the train going to the airport.

      Everyone in a public place of any sort will be absolutely petrified.

      Result !

      .

      .

      .

      The eco-terrorists could use this too, and wouldn't even need to kill anyone while developing the terror they desire (if not the support). All they'd need would be some moderately radioactive material - say some Fukushima cooling water - and a delivery device like a commercial firework. Take firework to a large plaza in the middle of a large city; launch and contaminate the entire city; walk away. The economic damage would be in the billions of whatever currency ; thousands would be killed in the rush to evacuate.

      Total terror.

      Very high benefit:cost ratio.

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    21. Re:No shit. by swalve · · Score: 1

      And my god, the smell.

    22. Re:No shit. by swalve · · Score: 1

      Just get a fat guy. Replace falafel-gut with bomb.

  3. Great now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the backscatter machines will be replaced with full-body MRIs

    1. Re:Great now... by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      And you think those lines are long today...

    2. Re:Great now... by hypergreatthing · · Score: 2

      Why? A more sane solution is to just kill everyone trying to fly. That will show the terrorists we mean business.

    3. Re:Great now... by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      I have a pacemaker, you insensitive clod...

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    4. Re:Great now... by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Not to mention anyone with surgical pins, shrapnel wounds, or, worse, unknown pieces of metal accidentally left behind by surgical malpractice. Subjecting all airline passengers indiscriminately to MRIs outside of hospital settings where immediate emergency medical care is available WILL kill more people than all the terrorist incidents in history.

  4. Security checkpoints by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

    Well the security goons already have the gloves - Just give 'em a box of scalpels and a bottle of iodine and let 'em do their inspections! Make sure you allow a few extra hours in your travel plans and don't eat or drink anything for at least twelve hours before arriving at the airport.

    =Smidge=

    1. Re:Security checkpoints by Tanktalus · · Score: 1

      Don't forget to make the claim that it's not actual surgery, so no MD license is required. Nor really any training.

    2. Re:Security checkpoints by dwillden · · Score: 1

      And if you call ahead they can perform any needed exploratory surgery while processing you for security. Verify if that lump is cancerous, explosive or benign.

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    3. Re:Security checkpoints by hamburgler007 · · Score: 1

      Also it's entirely safe, no risk whatsoever.

    4. Re:Security checkpoints by bberens · · Score: 1

      This new screening qualifies as a doctor's visit under Obamacare. Why yes, there will be a copay.

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    5. Re:Security checkpoints by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      After all, every patient eventually stops bleeding and becomes stable. 0/0 is a stable blood pressure. That's my favorite OR joke for when things are going wrong. My colleagues love me.

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    6. Re:Security checkpoints by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well if it's not actually surgery, how can I file a claim with my insurance company?

    7. Re:Security checkpoints by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free medical exam with everything flight. Universal healthcare here we come!!!

  5. This was the logical end by tmosley · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This was the logical end of this stupidity. Face it folks, you can't be 100% safe, no matter how many liberties you give up.

    1. Re:This was the logical end by mr1911 · · Score: 2

      Face it folks, you can't be 100% safe, no matter how many liberties you give up.

      Mod parent up.

      Of all the days to be without mod points.

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    2. Re:This was the logical end by Cinder6 · · Score: 2

      No, the logical end is to give everyone who flies a sedative.

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    3. Re:This was the logical end by sstamps · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It was precisely what the terrorists wanted in the first place.. to make us so fearful that we started to treat people even worse, on average, than most third-world dictatorial/theocratic regimes do. They hated us for our way of life (rightly or wrongly.. doesn't matter at this point), and they succeeded in making it worse by proving that our high-and-mighty principles of liberty and privacy weren't as high-and-mighty as we kept saying they were to the rest of the world.

      The only thing the TSA (and our government as a whole in the same vein) has done is to encourage the terrorists even more.

      I'm with the OP, though. I'll take a bus, train, ship, or drive myself before I will subject myself to their degrading and humiliating treatment.

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    4. Re:This was the logical end by rlwhite · · Score: 2

      The end? Nah, next is bombs triggered by brainwaves. Let us control your mind, or don't fly! If you're not guilty, why should you mind?

    5. Re:This was the logical end by mroracle · · Score: 0, Redundant

      They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. --Benjamin Franklin

    6. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      remote detonation/timer

    7. Re:This was the logical end by base3 · · Score: 1

      The only thing the TSA (and our government as a whole in the same vein) has done is to encourage the terrorists even more.

      While you can. The TSA has already set up shop at train and bus stations to test the waters. Driving is safe from groping and the nude-o-scope. For now.

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    8. Re:This was the logical end by erroneus · · Score: 2

      You think this is the end? This will keep going because people will keep flying and travelling. In all of this time, I don't think there has been a serious decrease in air travel... at least not one easily attributable to the security measures anyway. It won't end until something bad happens to legislators personally to make them reconsider what has been going on. And this is rather like the healthcare system problems -- they never feel the effects of the healthcare system so they simply have no interest in actually making it better.

    9. Re:This was the logical end by pesho · · Score: 1

      Not if you sedate the passengers for about a month and transport them at a random time point while they are sedated.

    10. Re:This was the logical end by houghi · · Score: 2, Funny

      So that is what they are doing: Testing it on luggage.

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    11. Re:This was the logical end by countertrolling · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It was precisely what the terrorists wanted in the first place..

      Stop with the script reading, please... With its credibility in the shitter, it's what the government wanted in the first place. They had to use the terrorism angle to get us wimps to go long without questioning anything and distract attention away form its other abuses. Anybody who disagreed was immediately tagged.. Worked like a charm.. Exploitation of natural instincts always does

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    12. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once you have a timed bomb implanted, they'd be doing you a favor giving you a sedative and it wouldn't change anything about the detonation.

    13. Re:This was the logical end by houghi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They hated us for our way of life

      They did not hate us how we live our lives. They hated us because we told them how to lead THEIR lives.

      That does not mean they are not happy if all others do stoopid stuff. Makes them feel important, like feeding a troll.

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    14. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up. There's just nothing else to say about this. Life is a risk, nothing is guaranteed.

    15. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the logical end is to give everyone who flies a sedative.

      Unrelated, but your comment reminds me of The Jaunt.

    16. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > You can't give up enough liberties, no matter how unsafe you are.

      There you go, fixed that for ya.

    17. Re:This was the logical end by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      This was the logical end of this stupidity. Face it folks, you can't be 100% safe, no matter how many liberties you give up.

      I disagree. Just think of the potential advances. A full body CT scan and a colonoscopy for each passenger/patient. The potential for improving colon cancer detection alone is just mind boggling.

      Really guys, this could go a long way to dealing with the problems of cancer screening. Add a mammogram, a Chest CT (for lung cancer), a bit better backscatter machine that can find melanomas, a prostate exam and you're golden. I guess the pap smear could be an issue (TSA would have to be able to differentiate between men and women) but that's a small price to pay for the country's health.

      Stop being so negative!

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    18. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That they 'hated us for our way of life' is a myth spread on Fakenews and other main stream media outlets. "The terrorists" clearly stated, and keep doing so that they want us to stop our support for Saudi Arabia's royal family and Israel and it's anti-human terrorizing of the Palestinian people.

    19. Re:This was the logical end by ShavedOrangutan · · Score: 1

      Driving is safe from groping and the nude-o-scope. For now.

      But driving can still result in a mandatory blood test.

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    20. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Small thinker. Kill all the passengers and resurrect them at the other end.
      Side benefit is that you can carry them as cargo and fit more in.

    21. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, they'll probably make it a suppository.

    22. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      No one hates freedoms, quit repeating tired old government propaganda.

    23. Re:This was the logical end by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      This was the logical end of this stupidity

      I must protest to the usage of both words "logical" and "end."

      Honestly, does anyone believe that they won't get any stupider?

    24. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, put them all in stasis. What could possibly go wrong? Oh yeah, I remember, I saw this in a movie... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1188729/

    25. Re:This was the logical end by tmosley · · Score: 3, Funny

      You have obviously never met Dick Cheney.

    26. Re:This was the logical end by snarkh · · Score: 1

      > The only thing the TSA (and our government as a whole in the same vein) has done is to encourage the terrorists even more.

      TSA needs the terrorists (or, more precisely, the threat of terrorism) to justify its existence.

    27. Re:This was the logical end by Missing.Matter · · Score: 1

      I see the logical conclusion as murdering all the passengers as they step through the scanner, piling their bodies on the plane, then detonating the whole damn thing on the runway. Because otherwise... we just can't be sure.

    28. Re:This was the logical end by Pope · · Score: 0

      Golly, I didn't realize the founding fathers enshrined the right to take a plane ride in the Constitution. Must've been in one of the lesser Articles.

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    29. Re:This was the logical end by NetNed · · Score: 1

      The TSA tested suppositories and came to the conclusion that for all they did they would have been better off shoving them up their ass.

    30. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was precisely what the terrorists wanted in the first place..

      Stop with the script reading, please...

      The grandparent poster didn't write the script.

      "I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The US Government will lead the American people - and the West in general - into an unbearable hell and a choking life."

      Osama bin Laden wrote the script, and we - to collective shame - played along exactly as he predicted we would.

    31. Re:This was the logical end by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      Obviously, he hasn't been shot in the face with a shotgun.

    32. Re:This was the logical end by pesho · · Score: 1

      Hey, I didn't say it has to make sense, as long as it makes business sense: This way you can 'safely' transport passengers at higher density and eliminate costs associated with flight attendants.

    33. Re:This was the logical end by X.25 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They hated us for our way of life

      You still don't get it.

      Noone hates you for "your way of life".

      They hate you because of the things your government has done and is still doing.

    34. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure, the majority of Americans aren't fearful. Aware? Absolutely. Afraid of living? Gimme a f#@%ing break! The majority of fear is coming from the Government, not the citizens.

      Keep up with the freedom trampling reminders though. I'm pretty sure if I go to fly, I'll be well aware of how afraid I should be going through all the unneeded security, knowing full well that a terrorist is picking the least effective method to kill Americans by choosing an airplane! Oh, yea! That's right. It isn't about killing. It's about terrorising. And they've won. Well, they've at least beaten the US Government.

    35. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Timed explosives.

    36. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd agree. Knock me the fuck out before flying. If I wake up at my destination, great!

    37. Re:This was the logical end by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 1

      Merging Obama's health care reform plan with the TSA?

      No, there's NO POSSIBLE WAY that could end badly, is there?

    38. Re:This was the logical end by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You both are right. We tell them that they should let their girls be sluts and dress like freaks and boys to be wimpy girlie men. The men should all watch pornos and get drunk. And everyone should be gay. All images from American/Western Media.

      The problem with this is that the left all think that it is our Government's fault, while the truth is, it isn't the government, it is all of us that is at fault.

      And this is why the whole idea by the left that we should be "nice" and they will "like" us is a load of crap. We were very nice to Saudi Arabia and yet it was a bunch of guys from there that blew up three buildings and nearly destroyed another on 9/11.

      Ultimately, you're wrong though, in the same way that blaming our Government or just "us" for Tim McVey's wacked out views and excusing his blowing up the building in OK City is wrong.

      There are nutjobs in the world, that are just willing to blow shit up and kill others simply because they are crazy, like the Unibomber, McVey, and the group that did 9/11. YOU cannot blame others for the actions of these. It is wrong to blame others.

      They hate us because we aren't them, and that is enough to blow shit up. That is the difference between them and us (ostensibly at least).

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    39. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was precisely what the terrorists wanted in the first place.. to make us so fearful that we started to treat people

      The terrorists and your government too. They certainly have a common goal when it comes to this. So, it's a win-win situation if you exclude the rest of the people, which don't matter anyway.

    40. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was precisely what the terrorists wanted in the first place.. to make us so fearful that we started to treat people even worse, on average, than most third-world dictatorial/theocratic regimes do. They hated us for our way of life (rightly or wrongly.. doesn't matter at this point), and they succeeded in making it worse by proving that our high-and-mighty principles of liberty and privacy weren't as high-and-mighty as we kept saying they were to the rest of the world.

      I don't think hating a way of life has ever been a goal behind terrorism. It's always been about achieving a stated aim. It's kind of like a really nasty type of extortion. Do you know the aims of the big Islamic terror goups?

    41. Re:This was the logical end by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Yeah because there are NO complications involved with sedation. You know, anyone can do it. You don't need any skill or equipment. Doctors are just lying to everyone else about the risks to prevent others from cashing in on their lucrative business.... /sarcasm

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    42. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. I could use an implant timed to go off.

    43. Re:This was the logical end by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      Simple solution, put in a computer with the mission details, and leave a couple of trusted crew awake in case something breaks. Oh wait... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062622/

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    44. Re:This was the logical end by Skidborg · · Score: 1

      Saying that "the terrorists" are a force with a single is goal is like trying to put a face on Anonymous. There may be ones that would be satisfied if we surrendered those things but there are also plenty who wouldn't.

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    45. Re:This was the logical end by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      With its credibility in the shitter, it's what the people who control the government wanted in the first place.

      FTFY

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    46. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was the logical end of this stupidity. Face it folks, you can't be 100% safe, no matter how many liberties you give up.

      No it isn't. They won't be happy until we're running through the woods dodging searchlights, attack dogs and heavily armed guards. Just to get into Atlanta.

    47. Re:This was the logical end by idontgno · · Score: 2

      It's a risk, but it's worth it. Travel can continue, airlines can generate revenues, taxes are paid (not the companies... travellers), and (as noted earlier) flights have a higher head-count and lower customer service needs. The occasional death is unfortunate, but a minor consideration in the cost/benefit analysis, since no one that actually matters bears that risk; just the individual traveler, and those costs can be mitigated through the mandatory and binding liability waiver required to travel to begin with.

      No real downsides. Expect this within 15 years.

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    48. Re:This was the logical end by bberens · · Score: 1

      I'd start off with the fourth amendment. I would argue the interstate commerce clause should make it difficult to justify these types of screenings before travelling across state lines in any transportation method. Saying you can choose to walk/drive/ride a bike is not justification for limiting inter-state travel. Of course, IANAL and I actually care more about being left alone than fake security... but whatever.

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    49. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They hate you because of the things your government has done and is still doing.

      A perfectly believable assertion on its own, depending on exactly who "they" refers to.

      Noone hates you for "your way of life".

      But that's just bullshit.

      Do you really not see a particular subset of christians hating gays for their way of life? Isn't their justification simply that they don't live the way their holy book says they should?

      Do you think muslims are such superhuman beings that there's no corresponding subset who also hate anyone who doesn't live the way their holy book says?

    50. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You both are right. We tell them that they should let their girls be sluts and dress like freaks and boys to be wimpy girlie men. The men should all watch pornos and get drunk. And everyone should be gay. All images from American/Western Media. The problem with this is that the left all think that it is our Government's fault, while the truth is, it isn't the government, it is all of us that is at fault.

      Oh get the flying fleece out. "All of us"? What happened to "a child is born into innocence"?

      If you want to attribute cause so badly to yourself (and I don't disagree), please have the guts to say it out loud: economic imperialism backed by an aggressive diplomatic stance. No other country is so ruthlessly hell-bent on establishing franchises in other countries with complete disregard for the local society (the latter is common among colonialists btw -- something that Europe abandoned early 20th century).

    51. Re:This was the logical end by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      If you also restrained the passengers you might not need to sedate them exactly. You just need to drug enough that they can't execute any sort plan. There are drugs that could be safely used to do this.

      We could srap the passengers down real good to some sort of wheeled dolly like device while in the terminal, pump them full of LSD and then just load'em on the planes like cargo.

        You can't do much serious harm with it. It binds chemically to parts of the brain and once those sites our full up more of the drug floating around has little effect. So you can get the dosage grossly wrong and still incapacitate people for a long period of time without exposing them to much risk of overdose.

      I think the TSA could manage it.

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    52. Re:This was the logical end by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

      I always did it, with heavy doses of beer and wine. Some time ago, there was a big pressure drop, and the plane went strongly down for minutes with strange noises. I have never seen the flight attendants actually getting so nervous as I saw this time, and most passengers I could see around became snow white. I just laughed and said "fuck!!!"

    53. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being in Disaster Recovery sometimes I have no choice than to fly because I have to be at the disaster recovery site (cold site) within 48 hours, no matter what.

      Until I can take a train to get to anywhere in the US within 24 hours flying is the only choice.

      Needless to say I DO NOT FLY on my vacations thanks to the Tourism Suppression Agency, that is what TSA stand for, right?

    54. Re:This was the logical end by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      It was precisely what the terrorists wanted in the first place.. to make us so fearful that we started to treat people even worse, on average, than most third-world dictatorial/theocratic regimes do. They hated us for our way of life (rightly or wrongly.. doesn't matter at this point), and they succeeded in making it worse by proving that our high-and-mighty principles of liberty and privacy weren't as high-and-mighty as we kept saying they were to the rest of the world.

      No, they don't hate you for how you live. They hate you for how the US government forces *them* to live. For the support it give to the regimes that oppress them. For the thousands of Iraq's the government has murdered. Yes, al qaeda are religious nutters, but the reason they can continue to exist as anything substantial is because the people who aren't radical want you dead too.

      Al Qaeda *wanted* us (I'm in canada) in Afghanistan, they went so far as to declare war, and they kept trying to goad us into a fight, sept 11 got what they wanted. We've sure shown them how wrong they were, or something. Just because they have bad plans doesn't mean they don't have plans. They don't care about blowing up airplanes. It's a tool to goad us into more fighting, more oppressing *them* (they don't care what the TSA does to non-muslim people, as long as it costs money it's a win for them, what they really want is to see the TSA offending religious sensibilities of the muslim world, which drives more mainstream support to them). Al qaeda couldn't care less if the TSA wants to anal probe a 90 year old grandmother who can't walk and wears a diaper. But if the TSA does that to a rich arab man, or ask his wife or daughter to uncover her face in public that weakens your case for being 'tolerant and respectful' in the arab world, and builds their support, they want a newsreel of a Saudi prince walking past the TSA to show the disconnect between the leaders of the Muslim world, and the people they lead. They want to create an environment where they are the only organized muslims who stand up to this tyranny. Where the House of Saud holds hands with the president and the egyptians make friends with israel and let US warships through the Suez to bomb more muslims they are not friends of the muslim world - and Al qaeda is trying to strengthen it's case that the US is the root of the problem, and only by showing how offensive supporting the US is will they restore the caliphate and a great muslim nation or some nonsense.

      The problem of course, is that they're half right. You can be right about feeling the treaty of Versailles was too harsh to germany, and wrong about thinking the solution to that is to kill all the jews and invade everyone you can get to. Al Qaeda is right that the US does some bad things in the world, and there are a lot of people, even in the US who don't support those bad things. And they're wrong about wanting to build a transnational conservative muslim state (although we are faced with the problem that as time has gone oh, since the 60's that idea has gained more and more support). But you have a group (and I wouldn't attach a single political party to it), who've bought into the narrative that muslims are evil because they don't like all the terrible things the US does (the idea that the US is right because it's the US, just from a different point of view). That group, who are basically anti islam, are constantly being tempered by people who are too far on the side of 'treat everyone equally and we'll all pet butterflies!' as though the TSA screening a 6 year old is somehow a sensible fair treatment. The TSA is the mess that is it because geo-politically the US is trying to solve the problem from the wrong direction. If you want people to like you, treat them better (and there's a strong under current of people who support this in US politics, again, without any particular party affiliation) - the TSA still has a role, bomb sniffing dogs, possibly armed guards on airplanes, control of ph

    55. Re:This was the logical end by w0mprat · · Score: 1

      Actually don't really like some aspects of way of life - the food and suffering and death from diabetes, heart disease for example. Oh and Reality TV, that's unforgivable.

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    56. Re:This was the logical end by tmosley · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but suddenly everyone will want to fly again! You could say the public is...addicted!

    57. Re:This was the logical end by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      well as you see we obviously have that under control ...

    58. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Naaah, it's more complicated. They hate you because they are rightfully afraid that their children will like your way of life.

    59. Re:This was the logical end by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Until the policeman stops you for suspicion of running a redlight and then "suspects" that you have marijuana in the vehicle. At that point, you will be groped, everything in your vehicle removed, and thrown in disarray.

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    60. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They hated us because we told them how to lead THEIR lives.

      Yeah! Who are we to ask them to stop killing families because they're Jewish and dare to live in the West Bank? Who are WE to tell them not to drive the Jews into the sea? An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, and death to the naysayers!

    61. Re:This was the logical end by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      it doesn't even need that, it just needs depressed people, vendetta is a very engaging past time no matter what you construct it around, even for a fictional, or just so vague that it's borderline fictional, reason. all you need is wackos who got nothing better to do, this is one reason why isreali's policy is a failure and why you have the most terrorism in countries where you have most oppression so by chance they'll group in those countries.

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    62. Re:This was the logical end by njvack · · Score: 1

      The problem with this is that the left all think that it is our Government's fault, while the truth is, it isn't the government, it is all of us that is at fault.

      We're a democracy -- one with many flaws in its implementation, but a democracy nonetheless. In a very real sense, the government is us.

    63. Re:This was the logical end by operagost · · Score: 1

      Al Qaeda *wanted* us (I'm in canada) in Afghanistan, they went so far as to declare war, and they kept trying to goad us into a fight, sept 11 got what they wanted.

      Well, gee... what would they have done if we hadn't responded? After all, there wasn't an earlier incident that may have indicated an escalation of hostilities.

      let US warships through the Suez to bomb more muslims

      OK... I assume you're referring to Desert Storm. Arabs were attacking Arabs. Are we supposed to pick sides, or not?

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    64. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was precisely what the terrorists wanted in the first place..

      Stop with the script reading, please... With its credibility in the shitter, it's what the government wanted in the first place.

      Oh c'mon, now who's reading a script? I think it's fine to accuse the government of overreacting, but this grand conspiracy nuttiness is the stuff of Hollywood. Really, this is what the gov't wanted? - to be able to feel up everyone taking a flight and hassle travelers? Mission accomplished, I guess...

    65. Re:This was the logical end by operagost · · Score: 1

      The "interstate commerce" clause died when the Supreme Court declared that crops you grow for your own use could be regulated because it was POSSIBLE to sell them across state lines.

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    66. Re:This was the logical end by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Funny that. You'd better tell those non-believers who were cutting off, raping, and burning down churches over in norway, malaysia, egypt, and india(as a starting example). That it's because it's "things your government has done" instead of it being because of the masses of intolerant muslims.

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    67. Re:This was the logical end by element-o.p. · · Score: 2

      Was GPP wrong? Do you have anything intelligent to say to contradict him? No? Then kindly STFU. Thanks.

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    68. Re:This was the logical end by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      Cool. Don't fly, then. Meanwhile, all of us who value the 4th Amendment right to be secure in our persons and effects, even if flying on a commercial airliner, will still enjoy our liberties.

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    69. Re:This was the logical end by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      The "risk" involves death or permanent disability. And you are advocating that this risk is acceptable for something as simple as travel. Dear sir, where were you when they were handing out ethics? You are prepared to actually kill people to support your crackpot idea. You're just as bad as the terrorists.

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    70. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you added what to the conversation?

    71. Re:This was the logical end by Archwyrm · · Score: 1

      Only Norwegians burn down churches in Norway. Makes good album covers.

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    72. Re:This was the logical end by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      I wasn't exactly clear. But you'll be happy to know that in norway all of last years rapes were by non-westerners. And nearly 3/4's of them used islam as a reason why they could, and did rape.

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    73. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Golly, your scholarship fucking sucks.

      Go read the constitution, and the past two centuries of case law. Or, you know what, don't. If there isn't a statement "the right to fly on an 'airplane,' which has yet to be invented, shall not be infringed" next to a full-color drawing of a bunch of happy people on an airplane, you are SURE you are right!

    74. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you'd still need to take off and nuke it from orbit

    75. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We tell them that they should let their girls be sluts and dress like freaks and boys to be wimpy girlie men.

      What the fuck.

      We do not tell them to let their girls be sluts; we tell them that to let their girls go to school. And choose who to marry. And we suggest gently that possibly, if your daughter is unfortunate enough to be raped, you should perhaps try to comfort her and prosecute the rapist who raped her, instead of murdering her for the terrible act of being the victim of a dishonorable crime.

      We are not trying to impose American culture on the rest of the world. To the extent that we are trying to impose anything, it is respect for the most fundamental of basic human rights, rights that have been recognised upon by the leaders of practically every culture and are preached by most scholars of every religion.

      Yes, we have done bad things along with the good. We have invaded countries on flimsy evidence; we have killed civilians; some of our soldiers have even committed outright atrocities. All these things are sparks that extremists have been able to fan into flames of hatred. Every terrorist who attacks America has, at the core of his hateful creed, a valid grievance, some bad thing we did that he believes justifies a violent response. But that doesn't mean that everything we do is bad, or that we should stop trying to spread freedom to the oppressed.

      Damn, this is getting off topic. Back to the subject: the TSA are moronic asshats and should be disbanded.

    76. Re:This was the logical end by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      Just because they wanted us to invade afghanistan doesn't mean it was a good plan on their part. The nazi's really clearly definitely decided they really really really wanted to invade russia after all. We just haven't done a great job of showing the world that we can be both gracious and terrifying at the same time - we've managed to do both badly.

      Um... US warships go through the suez on a regular basis. To bomb iraq, threaten iran, bomb yemen, deploy to afghanistan etc. Whether you think those are valid goals or not is separate from the fact that al qaeda has a propaganda coup on its hands claiming that the egyptian government (including the new one) are basically in bed with the US allowing their ships transit through the canal. If they really wanted to be a pain about it the egyptians could ban all US ships through the suez as long as there are americans in iraq for example, they could open the borders to gaza (which they are doing), they could insist on ignoring the blockade of gaza etc. There's a long way from where they are, to where a lot of the arab street wants them to be (and a lot further still to where Al qaeda wants them to be).

      Don't get me wrong, Al qaeda are nuts. But they have some legitimate grievances which is what is keeping them around. Desert storm and Iraq the first time is what actually fostered Al qaeda in the first place. The idea that a bunch of christians from across the world would be brought in to defend the wealthiest muslim country on earth made them mad. That the US continued to stick around for a decade made them REALLY mad. Which is a good example of their combination of nuts and legitimate grievances. The US defending Kuwait I think, was, on the whole reasonably agreeable to most of the muslim world - in a modern context that would be siding with the Libyan rebels. There are things the coalition there could have done better about including more muslims troops (including volunteering mujahadeed like Al qaeda) but most everyone was reasonably content with it. Al Qaeda's being pissed at not being 'the base' of the coalition is just foolish. That a decade later the US was still bombing iraqi's, from saudi arabia (who should damn well be able to defend themselves at that point) offends pretty much everyone, american taxpayers, muslims, human rights groups, the iraqi's themselves etc. That was a sort of legitimate gripe.

    77. Re:This was the logical end by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      It'd going to be funny when we hit the point that domestic terrorists start attacking things like the TSA in order to liberate us.

    78. Re:This was the logical end by qwijibo · · Score: 1

      And when those passengers get off the plane thinking they can fly without a plane? I suspect this would have an adverse affect on repeat business. Even worse, all of the people who fly for business would be forced to take the bus so they're remotely functional when they get to their destination.

    79. Re:This was the logical end by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      This is not a government "reaction" There's nothing new or particularly odd about the idea of dividing the opposition to its policies and getting people to turn on each other. Business needs a compliant workforce. The government is doing its part to supply that through intimidation and propaganda. Hollywood dramatizes it, yes, but it's far from being entirely fictional.. And you're right about one thing.. "Mission Accomplished"

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    80. Re:This was the logical end by nihongomanabu · · Score: 1

      They hated us for our way of life (rightly or wrongly.. doesn't matter at this point)

      This is a fallacy created so the real reason terrorism exists, America's heavy-handed-holier-than-thou foreign policy, doesn't come to light. If we would treat other nations and their populations with something resembling respect, terrorism would recede to mere background noise. Then maybe we could start focusing on stuff that matters, but talk like that doesn't get any votes.

    81. Re:This was the logical end by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      You both are right. We tell them that they should let their girls be sluts and dress like freaks and boys to be wimpy girlie men. The men should all watch pornos and get drunk. And everyone should be gay. All images from American/Western Media.

      Your characterization of American/Western media is grossly distorted, but even if true, we are not telling them that. They don't have to watch our films and read our books, you know. If they choose to do so themselves, why get offended at us?

      And this is why the whole idea by the left that we should be "nice" and they will "like" us is a load of crap. We were very nice to Saudi Arabia and yet it was a bunch of guys from there that blew up three buildings and nearly destroyed another on 9/11.

      Um, that bunch of guys from there blew up buildings precisely because US is very "nice" to Saudi Arabia (in reality, US is nice to its authoritarian rulers, not to its people at large). Bin Laden and friends believe that Saudi Arabia is bowing down to infidel US and dancing to their pipe (which isn't really untrue), and they were considered criminals in Saudi Arabia long before 9/11.

    82. Re:This was the logical end by mjwx · · Score: 1

      remote detonation/timer

      An internal explosive will not be detonated by the implantee. that would defeat the purpose of trying to hide it. The simple solution is to set up a receiver to detonate the device and an automated transmitter with a limited range, so the receiver detects the heartbeat from the transmitter, when it can no longer receive the heartbeat, boom.

      But to take off my geek hat and think sensibly about this, what does someone have to benefit from blowing up an airliner miles away from nowhere and aren't there more cost effective way to cause suffering that can be linked more easily to your terrorist organisation?

      Also, not like there is an abundance of doctors who will even be willing, let alone capable of performing this kind of operation. Even the broken ones who have lost their medical licenses (read: ships medic) have a sense of ethics. Plus the body will likely reject the foreign object, the possibility the patient may not even make it to the gate makes such a project a good waste of resources.

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    83. Re:This was the logical end by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      You don't even have to run a red light, just park in the wrong neighborhood. It's happened to me!

    84. Re:This was the logical end by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      While I will grant that the people can control the government, what we are really seeing is a massive psychotic reaction on their part. Behavior modification is a well documented science, and it scales very well, in fact, the more the merrier

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    85. Re:This was the logical end by glodime · · Score: 1

      To sum up, you are saying that it is possible for someone to be justified in their dislike for something and totally batshit insane and wrong in their reaction to that disliked thing.

    86. Re:This was the logical end by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Nah you just unload them and leaving them still strapped to the carts until they sober up. Half of them won't really even remember the "trip" so to speak.

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    87. Re:This was the logical end by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Even if the US decided to do it no-where else would. Can you imagine flights from the EU sedating their passengers?

      The US has already tried to get other countries to beef up security to its levels because by the time they get international incoming passengers to the nude scanner they could already have carried out their evil schemes. Most places refused. The UK did jump on the bandwagon for a bit but seems to have lost interest now - they were not scanning shoes last time I went through Heathrow.

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    88. Re:This was the logical end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, you're confusing two things.

      One, there's the very real hate of Western life by islamic fundamentalists. This is rare, but with a billion muslims the absolute numbers add up.
      Two, there is a widespread dislike of the West, and then specifically of the US. These people are unlikely to engage in terrorism directly, but will support the real terrorists, or at least turn a blind eye. A change in behavior by the US government would decrease this support, and thereby the effectiveness of terrorism.

      A similar thing could be seen in Northern Ireland. The terrorists there did get quite a bit of support from the US, but no direct involvement. 9/11 has been a big blow to the IRA, as the US is now much less willing to tolerate them.

    89. Re:This was the logical end by idontgno · · Score: 1

      That's the funny thing about Slashdot. No matter how extreme, over-the-top, and sarcastic you try to make a humorous (or darkly worst-case) post, someone will take you seriously.

      Goodness. I wasn't trying to troll, but I guess no matter how evil I try to pretend to be, someone will think I'm not pretending. Sheesh. Maybe next time I'll add a "pinky-to-corner-of-the-mouth" emote, or something involving ill-tempered sea bass.

      As I recall, people thought Jonathon Swift was serious when he wrote this.

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    90. Re:This was the logical end by fuzznutz · · Score: 1

      Golly. I didn't realize that all of our rights had to be enshrined in the Constitution in order to be valid.

      Dumbass

    91. Re:This was the logical end by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Can you walk down the street of any city in America and not be bombarded with images of objectified women on the billboards and newsstands? I know I can't.

      It isn't porn per se that they complain about, it is the objectification of women (even if THEY do the same thing with the burkah). We object to their treatment of women as much as they object to our treatment of the same. The statement I made was only slightly exaggerated to make the point. One that seems to escape people like you.

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    92. Re:This was the logical end by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Can you walk down the street of any city in America and not be bombarded with images of objectified women on the billboards and newsstands? I know I can't.

      I haven't seen any billboards (or newsstands) within two miles of where I live. So, yes.

      It isn't porn per se that they complain about, it is the objectification of women (even if THEY do the same thing with the burkah).

      No, not at all. The thing that the people you're talking about are complaining about is precisely porn (or, generally speaking, "impropriety"); they couldn't care less about "objectification", and would probably be unable to even explain what that is. As far as they are concerned, propriety laws as set by their religion are universally binding - you don't have to be a Muslim for them to apply to you in their entirety.

    93. Re:This was the logical end by Geminii · · Score: 1

      Because implanted bombs can't have timers. Or inertial altitude detectors.

    94. Re:This was the logical end by swalve · · Score: 1

      Who is Noone?

  6. Wasn't there... by rekoil · · Score: 1

    ...a bomb in the 80s that was left aboard by a woman who snuck it on...um..."internally"?

    1. Re:Wasn't there... by PPH · · Score: 1

      ... a bomb in a box?

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    2. Re:Wasn't there... by Verdatum · · Score: 5, Funny

      I remember in the 80s, Sonny Bono himself managed to get a bomb onto a SPACE SHUTTLE without really needing to hide it anywhere! In fact, he bought it in the airport gift shop!

    3. Re:Wasn't there... by WeatherGod · · Score: 1
      Wow! A senator (or was he congressman?) managed to get a bomb onto the space shuttle? Who can you trust these days?

      Thanks for the Airplane 2 reference.

    4. Re:Wasn't there... by dwillden · · Score: 1

      Don't know about that, but last year there was an assassination attempt on a Saudi Prince that used an internally carried bomb. It obviously killed the bomber, and made quite the mess, but the Prince was not harmed. So this has been tried at least once unsuccessfully. Not on an airplane, where the over-pressurization is an issue, but it has been done and recently.

      I just wonder why the genius's at the TSA has taken more than a year to consider this a "Threat".

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    5. Re:Wasn't there... by rekoil · · Score: 1

      It was TWA 840. Not finding any references to the bomb being carried in a body cavity, but I remember hearing it in news reports at the time.

    6. Re:Wasn't there... by Sectoid_Dev · · Score: 1

      A snuke in her snizz.

    7. Re:Wasn't there... by imric · · Score: 2

      I saw that documentary too!

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    8. Re:Wasn't there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either way he should have stuck with bongs.

    9. Re:Wasn't there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just don't mention the terrorist's impotence.

    10. Re:Wasn't there... by owlstead · · Score: 1

      LOL, Airplane II a documentary. Come to think of it, it explained what the sun was, how to live on the moon and how to survive a vacuum, so I guess you must be right.

    11. Re:Wasn't there... by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      I just wonder why the genius's at the TSA has taken more than a year to consider this a "Threat".

      They had to wait for the populace to grow accustomed to the AIT scanners before rolling out the next security scanner. I can't wait to see how expensive and degrading it will be </sarc>

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    12. Re:Wasn't there... by saratchandra · · Score: 1

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083530/ A great documentary indeed!

  7. Should thank the TSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We should thank the TSA for spot checking the Dr.'s did not leave anything behind during the surgery.

  8. Driving is far, far more dangerous by DrJimbo · · Score: 1

    Especially those trans-continental trips!

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    1. Re:Driving is far, far more dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You aren't kidding. Just try crossing this in a vehicle. Supposedly there's a road that covers most of the trip from the tip of South America to Prudhoe Bay, Alaska.

      I assume you weren't talking about Asia to Europe or Africa ;-)

    2. Re:Driving is far, far more dangerous by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

      There was an old japanese couple who travelled by land all the way from china to brazil to see their family who left japan during the war. They did it in an old yamaha 70 or 90cc. The only parts they did by ship were from japan to china and panama to colombia, and some really short part in alaska (and they waited for the winter to avoid ships as much as possible). The guy was well over his eighties.

      I remember reading it in some motorcycle magazine in the 80s or 90s. They didn't make the return trip, as the old man died soon after arriving.

  9. What about ... by Tiger+Smile · · Score: 1

    People chemically altered slightly to become human bombs. No, wait, that was a B-movie also.

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    1. Re:What about ... by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

      It was also an episode of Fringe titled Fracture.

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    2. Re:What about ... by jockeys · · Score: 1

      And also an episode of The Venture Brothers (Goliath Serum)

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    3. Re:What about ... by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      It was also the first plot arc of schlock mercenary

    4. Re:What about ... by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Yes. Terrorists are being trained to spontaneously combust. It's the latest rage!

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  10. TSA by applematt84 · · Score: 1

    TSA is a czar and needs to be shut down!

    1. Re:TSA by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Czars should be sent to Russia. I'm sure they remember how to deal with them.

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    2. Re:TSA by strength_of_10_men · · Score: 2

      needs to be shut down!

      Why would they shut it down when they've gotten 80% of Americans to approve of the invasion of our privacy?

      Apparently, Americans deserve neither liberty nor safety

    3. Re:TSA by Drgnkght · · Score: 1

      Anyone know what percentage of the US population has never flown on a plane in their entire lives? I'm curious if such a statistic has ever been calculated. (Assuming that the parent post's figure of 80% approval of the TSA is correct, I have a hunch I could make a pretty close guess...)

    4. Re:TSA by applematt84 · · Score: 1

      Why would they shut it down when they've gotten 80% of Americans to approve [cbsnews.com] of the invasion of our privacy?

      Apparently, Americans deserve neither liberty nor safety

      The average American is easily brainwashed into believing what the media or politicians with personal agenda's want them to believe. As a friend and co-worker of mine says (on occasion), "Common sense isn't too common any more."

  11. Security theater... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All you tough and manly Americans with your guns and SUVs just shiver and quake at the slightest hint of a ghost. Boo! Bunch of pussies.

    1. Re:Security theater... by Montezumaa · · Score: 1

      I own firearms and drive a Jeep Wrangler. I am actually quite manly, and I carry at least one firearm(a handgun) with me at all times. Of course, I could just as easily kill a person with my hands as I could with my firearm(s), but I choose to both exercise all of my rights, as a United States citizen, as well as a citizen of the great State of Georgia, and provide myself with all means necessary to defend myself from whatever situation might be presented to me. I do not need anti-firearm people, and/or foreigners(depending on who, exactly, you are) telling me how evil or vile I am. I am actually a quite decent human and good, law-abiding citizen.

      I choose not to rely on a third-party to protect my family, my girlfriend, or me; I am more than capable of providing all the personal security that me and those around me need. I was trained by the US Government, as well as the State of Georgia, to properly handle a firearm, but that does not mean that I believe anyone needs government training to handle a firearm. There are numerous examples of idiot government agents handling firearms in a negligent manner, including the mighty BATFE.

      Ghosts do not scare me, nor do "pussies" that hide behind their computer and the Anonymous Coward label to denigrate people that are law abiding and exercising their right to defend themselves. Perhaps you should submit that statement and attach your username(if you have one) to it.

      What does scare me? Actually, not much. I am scare of armed criminals harming those that I care for or anyone else, for that matter. I am scared of government agents that abuse the authority given to them and not giving citizens the means to defend themselves from such abuses. After all, that is why the Second Amendment exists.

      Still, I do not understand what this topic has to do with the issue discussed in the article.

    2. Re:Security theater... by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      Not all of us. But speaking of the majority...yeah, you're right. Sigh.

      --
      MCSE? No, sir...I don't do Windows. Yes, I am an idealist. What's your point?
  12. Semantics... by Electrawn · · Score: 1

    "CNN is reporting, via Chicago Tribune" is the correct way to attribute the link in the story.

    Here is the Chicago Tribune version: http://www.chicagotribune.com/travel/la-pn-tsa-implants-20110706,0,1632570.story

    From the basement of Trib Tower...

  13. Re:Sniffer Dogs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My brother's dog is already a crotch rocket, so it's just an extension of their natural behavior to go for the groin.

  14. is driving more dangerous? by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I mean, your chance of death from crash is lower sure, but thats a pretty narrow definition of "danger".

    What about the "Danger" of being detained and missing your flight? The "Danger" of irradiation from newfangled machines that the TSA lied to the public about wrt safety and safety testing? How about the danger of having property taken from you? Forgot that little credit card tool with the knife in your wallet? fuck you, gone.

    The danger that you will run afoul of some new secret rule?

    I suspect the danger of being a victim of the TSA tips the scales in favor of driving.

    --
    "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    1. Re:is driving more dangerous? by artor3 · · Score: 1

      I think I'll go ahead and weigh the risk of death as a tad more important than the risk of a confiscated water bottle. The only people who are really put in danger by the TSA are those poor saps who work next to the x-ray machines all day.

    2. Re:is driving more dangerous? by cosm · · Score: 1

      But we got BIN LADEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhh. He's laughing in his cave--erm...sea grave as we get groped on each flight. Who woulda thought so much government regulation could go into a commercial enterprise. How long until cavity searches are required at sporting events, malls, greyhound buses, cruise ships, fishing expeditions, skydiving, airplane tours, E3, WWDC, etc. The fascination with airplane security theater is just a ploy for the good 'ole boys club to rake in the dough. Its like building a 100 meter tall cement wall around your sheep, but letting your children go play in the buffalo heard. But those are some really safe sheep!!!!! Promise!!!! You are never 100% safe. Get the fuck over it people. How about everybody in the US take a couple self-defense classes, get trained up like the Spartans, and know how to use your body as a weapon. There's only so many of us the 'terrorist' can kill on buses, planes, bathroom stalls, etc before they get a judo chop to the larynx anyhow

      --
      'We are trying to prove ourselves wrong as quickly as possible, because only in that way can we find progress.' RPF
    3. Re:is driving more dangerous? by david.given · · Score: 1

      I believe it's possible to show statistically that TSA searches cause enough people to opt to drive instead of flying that about an extra 737-load of people die in road accidents... every year.

    4. Re:is driving more dangerous? by sjames · · Score: 1

      The danger of being provoked into goose stepping or a hearty Sieg Heil or beating a TSA agent within an inch of his life for groping children in public...

    5. Re:is driving more dangerous? by cosm · · Score: 1

      According the the NHTSA, on avg about 40,000 people die in car accidents every year. So you would have to crash four fully loaded 737's into the dirt every single week for the entire year to equal the number of people killed by car accidents. But really!!! The billions are worth it!!!!! Good 'ole boy network....

      --
      'We are trying to prove ourselves wrong as quickly as possible, because only in that way can we find progress.' RPF
    6. Re:is driving more dangerous? by sqldr · · Score: 1

      yes,, driving at sea is very dangerous

      --
      I wrote my first program at the age of six, and I still can't work out how this website works.
    7. Re:is driving more dangerous? by Derkec · · Score: 1

      At most airports you have the option of mailing that little credit card tool with a knife in it back to yourself. But you probably got it for free at a trade show and would rather bitch about government abuses than pay 6 bucks to mail it to yourself.

      Well, at least that's how I felt when the bastards took mine away.

    8. Re:is driving more dangerous? by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Why should i have to pay the $6 though?

      Lets be serious here. There is no legitimate reason to not allow them on the plane. Period.

      I have better odds of death by lightning strike than of terrorist attack. That $6 is worth more than the benefit of the entire policy, collectively, to everyone, since.... as of 9/12 boxcutter plans became obsolete. No plane full of passengers is ever going to do what a few guys with knives tell them, ever again.

      The entire exercise is asinine.

      --
      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    9. Re:is driving more dangerous? by swalve · · Score: 1

      The odds are only that good BECAUSE of the high enforcement/deterrent level. Odds don't just come from nowhere. Make it easier to bring a plane down, and the odds will go down.

  15. RICK SPRINGFIELD DIALS 911 TO REPORT DRUNK DRIVER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hisself !! Then says it was a mistake !! Right you are !!

  16. I finally figured it out! by c.r.o.c.o · · Score: 5, Informative

    The TSA operation manual is actually Nineteen Eighty-Four.

    Whoever mods me Funny, please don't. It's not a joke.

    1. Re:I finally figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

    2. Re:I finally figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoever mods me Funny, please don't. It's not a joke.

      Oh, but it is... Big cruelty joke perpetuated on the populace along the lines you're mentioning here.

    3. Re:I finally figured it out! by artor3 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm pretty sure it is a joke. Perhaps one of those "funny because it hits close to home" jokes, but still a joke. The TSA can't be using 1984 as a manual. Even in 1984, they didn't require people to assume a submissive position while being photographed naked.

    4. Re:I finally figured it out! by antdude · · Score: 1

      So, we need to a Fahrenheit 51 on this manual. ;)

      --
      Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
    5. Re:I finally figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well they were asked to do moves in front of a telescreen unless my memory fools me. Now that I think of it....the "we were always at war with Bin Laden" sounded awfully familiar when I first heard it.....

    6. Re:I finally figured it out! by Reziac · · Score: 1

      They're using an updated version. When 1984 was published, such actions would have been censored as too pornographic.

      --
      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    7. Re:I finally figured it out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note to self: stop posting while stoned.

  17. Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somebody over at TSA just got wise that $1million backscatter machines just push the problem internally.

    Next stop: "Sleeper Cells" where the C4 is implanted in the pacemaker, just waiting for the right time and place... The person wouldn't even be aware.

    1. Re:Finally! by Nexus7 · · Score: 2

      Ya got to wonder how competent these people are. They should've realized this even before they deployed the back-scatter machines. On the other hand, if they were aware of it, and they're doing likelihoods - figuring that the back-scatter machines just increased the level of difficulty for terrorists, meaning they're being smarter about it, then they've no reason to have grandmas remove their diapers (as they did last week), because again, they operating on likelihoods.

      Either way, all is not right in the upper stories.

    2. Re:Finally! by Duradin · · Score: 0

      The TSA's got to keep tap dancing around the fact that they can't use methods that work, namely profiling, no, not just racial or religious profiling, because then "everyone" would be up in arms about how they discriminate so they need to keep up the appearance of anticipating every crazy attack vector.

      Real security means some people feel uncomfortable. Unfortunately we'll only tolerate something if it makes everyone uncomfortable, otherwise you're some sort of -ist.

    3. Re:Finally! by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      It's just your regular mission creep. They'll keep expanding as long as people let them as bureaucracies are wont to do.

      --
      If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error.
    4. Re:Finally! by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Racial and religious profiling don't work. The underpants idiot was black, the next one will be a recent convert if need be. Real security can't exist, the next threat may be from a white Christian, like OK city. We need to stop wasting money on the TSA, not find new ways to waste it.

    5. Re:Finally! by artor3 · · Score: 1

      The back-scatter machines were about money. Robbing the tax payers to the tune of millions of dollars, for a snake oil fix that wouldn't have even caught the terrorist it was deployed in response to.

    6. Re:Finally! by locallyunscene · · Score: 1

      Oh they're supremely competent... at gradually upping the invasiveness of their security theater. Scary passenger-thwarted shoe bomber! Take off your shoes. Scary passenger-thwarted underpants bomber. Go through this untested machine that takes naked pictures. Scary fictional pacemaker bomber! Defense contractors* profit.

      *With connections to Chernoff.

    7. Re:Finally! by scot4875 · · Score: 2

      The TSA's got to keep tap dancing around the fact that they can't use methods that work, namely profiling, no, not just racial or religious profiling, because then "everyone" would be up in arms about how they discriminate so they need to keep up the appearance of anticipating every crazy attack vector.

      Yeah, it's all the PC liberals' fault that we can't *really* go after the terrorists. If it weren't for them, we could actually achieve true security.

      Nevermind that the false positive rate is so high that profiling is also useless, but I wouldn't expect you to know what false positives are given that you buy into this tripe. They aren't looking for a needle in a haystack. They are looking for a needle that may or may not be in one of the hay fields in Idaho.

      --Jeremy

      --
      Jesus was a liberal
    8. Re:Finally! by Duradin · · Score: 1

      "no, not just racial or religious profiling"

      What part of that don't you understand or did you just see profiling and went frothing mad?

    9. Re:Finally! by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      That there is no kind profiling that works.
      You said not just, which sounds like you think you should use it and other forms too.

    10. Re:Finally! by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      Just wait for the $1million mecha-surgeon, built by a third cousin to one of the TSA chairmen, that you will be required to go through soon.

      --
      Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
    11. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Real security is "whenever a passenger tries to light the fuse sticking out of innocuous item X, the other passengers beat him to a pulp. Refusing to comply with highjackers (and securing the cockpits completely) are the lessons we should have learned from the plane highjackings in 2001.

    12. Re:Finally! by Duradin · · Score: 1

      El Al does pretty good with their behavioral profiling.

    13. Re:Finally! by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Define good. It costs a lot would be unfeasible in a decent size country with a reasonable travel load and their biggest threat is from people who can't afford airplane tickets.

  18. Great... by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2

    I've got a metal box in my chest for a nerve stimulator, TSA is going to have fun with me when I fly next week.

    1. Re:Great... by cosm · · Score: 1

      Tell them to fuck off.

      --
      'We are trying to prove ourselves wrong as quickly as possible, because only in that way can we find progress.' RPF
    2. Re:Great... by Dan667 · · Score: 1

      make sure to opt out of the naked scanner.

    3. Re:Great... by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      Tell them to fuck off.

      They love that.. They all have the best senses of humour.
      BTW: Try calling them "Bitches" They love that too.
      Or try telling then that You pay their salary. They are always happy to meet a taxpayer.

      --
      If I were God, wouldn't I protect my churches from acts of me?
    4. Re:Great... by cratermoon · · Score: 1

      Oh the lovely VNS. My friend has one of those. She's paranoid about MRI machines.

    5. Re:Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're going to be the one having fun, when they ask everyone to turn off the electronic devices :S

    6. Re:Great... by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1

      Tell them to fuck off.

      They love that.. They all have the best senses of humour. BTW: Try calling them "Bitches" They love that too. Or try telling then that You pay their salary. They are always happy to meet a taxpayer.

      Aha, but if you do, they might perform extra-invasive tests and searches on you as punishment. However, the supervisors don't like it when they use procedures in a punitive manner, since that kinda confirms that the procedures are, in fact, punitive. It sort of spoils the whole charade if they admit it's all just to cow us and piss us off.

      So you tell the TSA supervisor that you were subject to extra harassment as a retribution for calling the agents a name, etc. Peon gets a stern talking to by unhappy supervisor.

      I wish I were a bigger person and didn't feel the need to vent on the lowest people on the org chart. But I'm not. I've written my congressmen and letters to the editor. It doesn't work. So "Plan B" it is.

      --
      I am not a crackpot.
    7. Re:Great... by corbettw · · Score: 1

      I've got a metal box in my chest for a nerve stimulator, TSA is going to kick me out of the airport after interrogating me for two hours when I try to fly next week.

      FTFY.

      --
      God invented whiskey so the Irish would not rule the world.
  19. They'll use a *Hand* Grenade by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

    Anyone's who's seen "DeathRace 2000", would know how this works.

    --
    All ideas^H^H^H^H^Hprocesses in this post are Patent Pending. (as well as the process of patenting all postings)
    1. Re:They'll use a *Hand* Grenade by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >>Anyone's who's seen "DeathRace 2000", would know how this works.

      I prefer the cranium bombs from Diamond Age and Shadowrun.

      Waay more classy than "butt bombs". You'll never go triple platinum with a name like that.

    2. Re:They'll use a *Hand* Grenade by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Hey now... Don't hate.

      The Backwards-Utilized Tracking Torpedo is effective against just about anything shy of an Ur-Quan Dreadnaught or Kor-Ah Marauder.

  20. Jumped the shark ... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    If this is the level of security paranoia they're pushing for, all passengers will be required to travel while naked, bound, and with a bag over their head.

    I realize for some people, that's the sign of a really hopping Saturday night ... but for the rest of us, it means that security has reached a level where commercial air travel involving the US is impossible.

    Quite frankly, I can't see the rest of the world being willing to accept any more "enhanced tools" ... as it is, I have no intention of getting into one of those scanners.

    --
    Lost at C:>. Found at C.
  21. The DKR already did it! by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Harvey Dent :

    he said "Twice as big as you can imagne"

    Tell me that 9/11 isn't just a cheap ripoff of a comic book from 1986.

    Why does the Joker hate our freedumbs?!!!

    --

    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

    1. Re:The DKR already did it! by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Why does the Joker hate our freedumbs?!!!

      Because, the Joker is/was an anarchist and a terrorist. His goal is/was to break down some of the things that keep society working, and generally mess up things that would cause as much discomfort to as many people as possible.

      In a lot of ways, maybe some overlap in goals ... though, with more randomness and chaos thrown in for good measure. Less intent to "create" anything or to bring about a specific goal, much more intent to disrupt as broadly as possible and generally make life miserable and scary.

      It's a schemer who put you where you are. You were a schemer. You had plans. Look where it got you. I just did what I do best-I took your plan and turned it on itself. Look what I have done to this city with a few drums of gas and a couple bullets. Nobody panics when the expected people got killed. Nobody panics when things go according to plan, even if the plans are horrifying. If I tell the press that tomorrow a gangbanger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will get blown up, nobody panics. But when I say one little old mayor will die, everyone loses their minds!! Introduce a little anarchy, you upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I AM AN AGENT OF CHAOS. And you know the thing about chaos, Harvey. It's fair

      Nihilism and chaos with a malicious streak and some cheap gags thrown in.

      Oh, was that a rhetorical question?

      --
      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    2. Re:The DKR already did it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the TSA is most CERTAINLY operating as a cheap ripoff of a comic book from 1986.

    3. Re:The DKR already did it! by u17 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Tell me that 9/11 isn't just a cheap ripoff of a comic book from 1986.

      No, as a matter of fact it was a rip-off of a novel by Tom Clancy (read the last paragraph of the plot summary).

    4. Re:The DKR already did it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? It's a perfect reason to fondle those silicone breasts.

    5. Re:The DKR already did it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Eww!

      Real or GTFO!

    6. Re:The DKR already did it! by Bahamut_Omega · · Score: 1

      I suppose could always ask for a bill to have the TSA changed to Terrorist Scoundrels of America.

    7. Re:The DKR already did it! by slabberman · · Score: 1

      Tell me that 9/11 isn't just a cheap ripoff of a comic book from 1986.

      No, as a matter of fact it was a rip-off of a novel by Tom Clancy (read the last paragraph of the plot summary).

      Also there was an episode of 'The lone gunmen' (a short-lived spinoff from X-files) that aired in march 2001:

      "The plot of the first episode, which aired March 4, 2001, involves a US government conspiracy to hijack an airliner, fly it into the World Trade Center and blame it on terrorists, thereby gaining support for a new profit-making war."

  22. What about a butt-bomb? by jasno · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They've been ignoring the threat of butt-bombs for years now, even though a terrorist actually used that technique in 2009: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6862247.ece

    They also continue to ignore the fact that a liquid ban is ineffective when several travelers could combine their 3oz containers past the security checkpoint.

    We reinforced the cabin doors, and that's all we ever needed to do to prevent another 9/11. The fact that we've allowed our government to waste billions while molesting innocent citizens is just sickening.

    --

    http://www.masturbateforpeace.com/
    1. Re:What about a butt-bomb? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Terrorists have been using it long before then. The palestinians were doing it back in early 2000's, and muslims in pakistan and the philippines have been doing it since mid 2000's. That doesn't even touch on the terrorists strapping remote explosives, or using using the mentally handicapped as walking bombs either. They've been doing the first more recently, 2 cases of schoolgirls. One in India, and another in Afghanistan. And the latter for nearly a decade as well.

      --
      Om, nomnomnom...
    2. Re:What about a butt-bomb? by hierophanta · · Score: 1

      what about everyone's laptop battery? to put it mildly, those things are very volatile

    3. Re:What about a butt-bomb? by steelfood · · Score: 3, Informative

      We reinforced the cabin doors, and that's all we ever needed to do to prevent another 9/11

      But such a simple solution won't make companies any money. And you know it's all about making companies money these days. Especially when the top administrators can get a kickback in the form of a high-paying lobbying job once they quit the TSA.

      --
      "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
  23. A Friendly Reminder.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For you to be afraid. Be VERY AFRAID.

    Your friends at the TSA

  24. Ma'am by PPH · · Score: 1, Funny

    "We're going to have to inspect those breasts. To make sure they're real, of course. I'm going to have several of my colleagues provide their opinions as well."

    "Hey guys! Cop a feel on aisle 4!"

    --
    Have gnu, will travel.
    1. Re:Ma'am by Huckabees · · Score: 1

      Chest bombs would be highly impractical. They'd attract too much... attention.

    2. Re:Ma'am by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With new "enhanced" breast searches, we could get tens of thousands of volunteer TSA agents. Or would they be T&A Agents?

    3. Re:Ma'am by cosm · · Score: 1

      +1 Sadly Hilarious

      --
      'We are trying to prove ourselves wrong as quickly as possible, because only in that way can we find progress.' RPF
    4. Re:Ma'am by PPH · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, we could be laid low by a J-Lo.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
  25. Useless body scanners anyone? by pesho · · Score: 1

    So what are they going to do with all these microwave and X-Ray-scatter body scanners that were installed all around the place? Anything that is surgically implanted will not be visible to them, because they have very little penetration. Are going to get 'upgrades' for another couple of billion $$?

    1. Re:Useless body scanners anyone? by imric · · Score: 1

      Pile 'em on top of the metal detectors for shoes, and cover them over with bottles of liquid more than 6 oz no purchased inside the gates.

      --
      Paranoia is a Survival Trait!
    2. Re:Useless body scanners anyone? by SethJohnson · · Score: 2
      I wholeheartedly agree with you. TSA is a very expensive security theater troupe creating a ridiculous Maginot line around our airports.

      Not only will these expensive body scanners not be effective against internally-hidden explosives, even if the TSA cat-scanned passengers, the screeners would need a medical degree to recognize the difference between explosives and artificial joints, plates, etc.

      The explosives hidden in the printer cartridges were x-rayed and eluded detection. Consider this from Wikipedia:

      Both parcels in the 2010 cargo plane bomb plot were x-rayed without the bombs being spotted.[40] Qatar Airways said the PETN bomb "could not be detected by x-ray screening or trained sniffer dogs".[41] The Bundeskriminalamt received copies of the Dubai x-rays, and an investigator said German staff would not have identified the bomb either.[40][42] New airport security procedures followed in the U.S., largely to protect against PETN.[15]

      The Maginot Line metaphor is especially valid as none of the recent airplane bomb plots have originated from within the US, so installation of expensive body scanners domestically does little to prevent bombs aboard inbound international flights.

      Seth

    3. Re:Useless body scanners anyone? by NetNed · · Score: 2

      Silly rabbit, those were not about safety. Those were about money and companies that got the contract to install them being linked to prominent political figures that stood to make a financial gain by their installation.

      Wait for some other device that can detect bombs in a cavity in the body next that just happens to have a present or ex politician as CEO or some other top level position with the company.

    4. Re:Useless body scanners anyone? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      The Maginot Line metaphor is especially valid

      The Maginot Line metaphor is especially invalid as the event the Maginot Line was constructed for did eventuate.

      The scenario's the TSA is targeting are not likely to eventuate. Even regular hijackings (hostage taking) are now doomed to failure simply because the passengers will now fight back. Hamas et al. who used to use hostages like this to extort concessions/prisoners out of western nations are now proper fucked as the easiest source of innocent people will no longer be passive.

      --
      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
    5. Re:Useless body scanners anyone? by SethJohnson · · Score: 1

      I think we're both on the same side of this issue and only splitting hairs at this point.

      As for 'eventuations', we've had a shoe bomber and an underwear bomber succeed in smuggling explosive PETN past the TSA's Maginot defenses. In both cases, the bombing attempts were foiled by flimsy detonation systems. As much as other passengers seemed to have intervened, a competent plan wouldn't have provided any opportunity for passengers to respond. For instance, had either bomb-carrier attempted to detonate the concealed PETN while in the lavatory, no one could have recognized what was happening.

      TSA's huge investment is equally elaborate as the Maginot line, and equally as simple to circumvent. The only difference is that the buffoons who have to date attempted, made other errors in their execution. The errors are so trivial, that it further illustrates the limited resources and intelligence required to circumvent the TSA security system.

      Seth

    6. Re:Useless body scanners anyone? by swalve · · Score: 1

      Even if the passengers do fight back, the damage is done.

  26. Wait until the TSArseholes see this: by haruchai · · Score: 1

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104743/

    Live Wire, with Pierce Brosnan

    --
    Pain is merely failure leaving the body
    1. Re:Wait until the TSArseholes see this: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They did, why do you think they don't allow water bottle past TSA checkpoints.

    2. Re:Wait until the TSArseholes see this: by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Because 9\11 gave them an excuse to allow the airlines to charge you $3 for bottled water in flight?

      --
      Pain is merely failure leaving the body
    3. Re:Wait until the TSArseholes see this: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They also don't allow cocaine past TSA checkpoints, but apparently some have figured out how to package it such that it can pass right through, so to speak.

  27. What about spontaneous human combustion? by toonces33 · · Score: 1

    Maybe they shouldn't allow people on aircraft. Too dangerous.

    1. Re:What about spontaneous human combustion? by imric · · Score: 1

      Hear here!

      Think of the children! The innocent, flammable children!

      --
      Paranoia is a Survival Trait!
    2. Re:What about spontaneous human combustion? by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Hear here!

      I'm not generally one to go out of my way to point out grammatical errors, but I'm pretty amused you managed to get 50% of that phrase correct and yet fell prey to a homophone for the other half.

    3. Re:What about spontaneous human combustion? by imric · · Score: 1

      ROFL. It was on purpose, directing you to "Hear here". I write the phrase that way because it makes more sense that way. (Not that doing it wrong on purpose is any less jarring than doing it wrong by accident...) You are the only one I can remember calling me out on it!

      *shrug* I looked it up and it's derived from "Hear him!", apparently. Heh. Still think my use makes more sense... *grin*

      --
      Paranoia is a Survival Trait!
  28. X-rays.. no, make that fullbody CT scans by airfoobar · · Score: 1

    And publicly-funded colonoscopy exams by the TSA. Rawr, the terrorists must be really scared now!

    1. Re:X-rays.. no, make that fullbody CT scans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  29. I'm afraid you're going to have to come over here. by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

    We're going to need to give you a cavity search.

    *straps passenger to table, puts on gloves, grabs scalpel*

    A deep cavity search.

    --
    It's better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.
    - E. Debs
  30. No snakes on planes either... by tekrat · · Score: 1

    Que Sam Jackson shouting "I am sick of these muthaf'ing bombs on this mothaf'ing plane!"

    Alternate joke: After just having watched some anime, the TSA is worried about Psyonic attacks on planes, so they will be detaining and searching cute, underage girls with long wavy hair and large eyes.

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    1. Re:No snakes on planes either... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The word you want is "cue". Que is not a word. What you're using is some bizarre, ignorant combination of "cue" and "queue", which are totally different words and mean totally different things. I suggest reading a few books, so that you familiarize yourself with your native language.

    2. Re:No snakes on planes either... by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      Qu'est que se?

    3. Re:No snakes on planes either... by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      "Que" is most certainly a word. It is a rather common French pronoun. It is just not an English word.

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  31. There is nothing they can do.... by gweihir · · Score: 2

    There are some surgeries that leave objects they cannot reliably distinguish from bombs without removal. Now that the TSA seems to slowly begin to understand what it takes for the to actually provide security, they may discover that they cannot.

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    1. Re:There is nothing they can do.... by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Or they might continue to insist on more ridiculous security theater until nobody flies anymore.

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    2. Re:There is nothing they can do.... by deadhammer · · Score: 1

      They'll discover nothing! When the day comes that they crack somebody open and tear out their brand new pacemaker to "inspect" it, do you think that they'll let something like a mere gruesome passenger death at the hands of incompetent boobs stop them from "making America safe"? Can't you just hear the excuses and justifications flying even now?

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    3. Re:There is nothing they can do.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever they discover, they won't admit it. Ever. After all, the public might lose confidence in them.

    4. Re:There is nothing they can do.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The people in charge of the TSA know very well they don't provide any real security. They're there to give government handouts to the corporate buddies and keep the population in line.

    5. Re:There is nothing they can do.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They already knew, this has always been an illusion of safety.

    6. Re:There is nothing they can do.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The TSA was never intended to provide security. Their mission is to placate the politicians that believe there should be limits to freedom while providing a revenue stream to the makers of the equipment the TSA uses.

    7. Re:There is nothing they can do.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In theory, sure; In reality, they'll just amp things up another notch.

      Logic is not something that has ever been a key concern in TSA decisions.

    8. Re:There is nothing they can do.... by cleepa · · Score: 1

      There are some surgeries that leave objects they cannot reliably distinguish from bombs without removal. Now that the TSA seems to slowly begin to understand what it takes for the to actually provide security, they may discover that they cannot.

      I had surgery like that this year. At first, the prospect of making all the lights flash on their machines was amusing. It isn't anymore. I think I could have taken the grin and bear it approach to an enhanced pat down (not that it justifies them), but this is too much. An enhanced pat down does at least allow you to satisfy the TSA that you are not any kind of threat in accordance with their stupid rule book. However, if they are going to add an innocent person to their watch list without giving that person a chance to prove their innocence, then their system is well and truly broken.

      Having said all that, it's interesting how a situation that affects you personally makes a difference. By my argument, the TSA's system is already well and truly broken. For example, there are people who are on the watch list simply because they have generic names.

      What a load of BS.

    9. Re:There is nothing they can do.... by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      As long as the gruesome passenger death follows all the proper TSA protocols and is done 'by the book' then I'm sure everyone will understand.

  32. Flying after surgery has always been a bad idea by acidradio · · Score: 2

    I used to work in the airline business in Minneapolis. Rochester, MN, home to the Mayo Clinic, is just a small commuter flight away. A lot of people would fly there for hospitalization from around the country and around the world. We regularly had trouble with people on their way home from Mayo who would get to Minneapolis then require an ambulance upon arrival because of problems with blood clots, lung function and other issues resulting from flying in a small seat on an airplane in a lower-pressure atmosphere.

    If you have surgery for some reason wait until you go flying.

    1. Re:Flying after surgery has always been a bad idea by AngryNick · · Score: 2

      then require an ambulance upon arrival because of problems with blood clots, lung function and other issues resulting from flying in a small seat on an airplane in a lower-pressure atmosphere.

      INAMD, but I think the primary risk is with being immobile during the flight and not so much the lower pressure. A friend of mine died from a clot that formed as a result of a leg injury followed by a long flight.

      This site says you're at risk for 4-6 weeks after surgery.

  33. It's a good thing by overshoot · · Score: 1

    ... that you can't introduce foreign objects into the human body without leaving obvious surgical wounds.

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    1. Re:It's a good thing by The+Moof · · Score: 1

      You'd be surprised what you can do with some creative Laparoscopic surgery.

    2. Re:It's a good thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I introduce foreign objects into my body without leaving any wounds everyday. It's called eating.

  34. Need to keep their funding! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TSA is just trying to justify their existence, and keep the funds flowing. Just wait, once they finally figure out that the body scanners dont work and that terrorists aren't really stupid enough to walk through security with easily detectable weapons, it will be "Cavity searches for everyone."

    K

  35. A bomb with a timer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course, the surgically implanted bomb could have a timer that would go off even if the terrorist is sedated. IT WON'T WORK!

  36. movie. plot. threat. by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

    *sigh*

  37. Not enough by zAPPzAPP · · Score: 1

    Put every single passenger into their own kevlar-sack, then stack them in those bomb proof freight containers.
    It's the only way to be sure.

    1. Re:Not enough by Stone2065 · · Score: 1

      ...and I thought nuking the site from orbit was the "only way to be sure"...

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  38. scare tactics by snarkh · · Score: 1

    This seems to be a pretty blatant attempt by a very unpopular organization to scare people into accepting restrictions on personal freedoms.

  39. Drug everyone by tekrat · · Score: 1

    The TSA is going to eventually get to the point where they determine that passengers are too dangerous to let on planes, but people have to fly, so the only solution (without having everyone fly naked) is to drug all passengers.

    Airlines will love this idea, no more water, peanuts, or stewardesses needed. They will save a fortune, and the drugs to put everyone to sleep will be funded by your tax dollars. Profit!

    And of course, the drug will be manufactured in the home state of whatever Senator proposes this idea, and it will turn out that he's a major shareholder or on the Board.

    Meantime, since the drug is being administered by below-minimum-wage illegal immigrant workers (i.e, the TSA), there will be a flurry of overdose deaths, particularly concerning kids, but, as the Supreme Court has ruled, you can no longer sue the government for wrongful death. What an "interesting" time we live in.

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    1. Re:Drug everyone by Stone2065 · · Score: 1

      You know... that used to be a Chinese curse... "May you live in interesting times...".

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  40. tsa needs to be disolved and defunded by Dan667 · · Score: 1

    if you are too scared to leave your house then stay home. People don't need naked scanners or to be groped at the airport.

  41. I'm glad TSA is here it keep us safe by makubesu · · Score: 1

    because the trillion dollars we've spent on our adventures in the middle east sure isn't going to.

  42. I am tired of this.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Only a retarded terrorist will try another plane bombing. It's ineffective.

    A smart one would strap a few hundred pounds on themselves and go to the airport, when they hit the scanner, "for ALLAH!" and BOOM! take out more people, cause far more panic plus you make people afraid of the security checkpoints so you will cripple air travel overnight. Far easier to get to your target with no security at all because you are blowing up the security checkpoint. Side benefit you will also destroy the terminal building so that airport is out of commission for a while. Do this at LAX or Ohare and you will effectively cripple the entire network.

    Honestly, TSA is worthless and only there for another reason, to foster complacency in the populace of invasive searches. Or are we banking on that terrorists are really, really stupid and will try the same thing over and over and over again?

    Heck you dont even have to enter the building. 99% of all airports let buses pull up to the gate building. a stolen greyhound full of explosives would level nearly all the airport buildings.. Yet they are not checking every vehicle that pulls in. there is ZERO security at airports that is there for the sake of security.

    I though up this stuff in 10 minutes and I'm not even clever about tactics. Honeslty, what gives?

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    1. Re:I am tired of this.... by Pope · · Score: 1

      Step away from the keyboard, citizen! You will be detained shortly.

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    2. Re:I am tired of this.... by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      I have thought of similar things, but far more devastating than strapping explosives to yourself would be a roller bar suitcase full of explosives and ball bearings. You would be able to carry in far more explosives and no one would wonder about the heavy coat.

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    3. Re:I am tired of this.... by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

      You've touched on part of the problem, the longer you have to think about what can go wrong the more you'll come up with. The US Government and TSA have had just under 10 years to come up with everything that can kill and/or terrify people, they just seem to be picking something off that list every now and then to keep themselves relevant and give the impression that they're still doing something about it.

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    4. Re:I am tired of this.... by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      And that is the problem the TSA hires idiots that are nothing more than rent-a-cops that do what they are told without thought.

      Instead they need to hire people that sit and think, if I wanted to do X what would I do....... and then follow up on that. things can be done to solve a lot of the issues without violating the constitution like they are now.

      Which makes me believe that security is NOT the point of all this. They don't want to do things in a way that preserves freedom. They want to get people used to being fondled, searched, required to show your papers, explain why you are here, be used to intimidation.

      Air marshals are the right way, drop the sucker with a shot from that AR-15. in fact if you have ONE highly visible air marshal on every flight and one that is plain clothes, just the presence of the visible one will stop 99% of the problems. Nutjob #897 will think twice about taking a person hostage or take over the plane if he knows that the next step is a couple of rounds through his head, and the marshal has no hesitation of making those rounds travel through the hostage. This solves the problem on the planes, no need to be fondling everyone and it preserves the rights and dignity of everyone on that aircraft. Will it stop a bomber who sets off his tampon bomb that he shoved up his ass? no. but nothing they are doing right now will stop that either.

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    5. Re:I am tired of this.... by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Well, no, you don't even need that. Sealing the cockpit from the passengers ensures that a jet won't be controlled by any passengers. As assured as you can be of anything when it comes to security. That mitigates the risk and turns a national security issue to a horrible terrorist attack.

    6. Re:I am tired of this.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh. How many they'd take on on a plane depends on the plane. But since they'd be pretty much guaranteed to kill everyone on the plane, it's likely going to be 100-400. That's hard to do on the ground even with very dense crowds; the Madrid train bombings killed less (though injured many others).

      Probably what helps the most is a completely different factor: there just aren't many (remaining, after 9/11) terrorist agents in the US. And to do any kind of suicide bombing, they also need to figure out the 'bomb' part. The lack of bombings - for a whole decade! - is a pretty strong indicator that they haven't got bombmakers here (or enough elsewhere to risk sneaking some in here), and/or haven't got agents left to spend. The lack of sabotage or arson is pretty strong additional evidence that they haven't got many agents here. If they did, they'd be doing all those things at once.

    7. Re:I am tired of this.... by gknoy · · Score: 1

      And that is the problem the TSA hires idiots that are nothing more than rent-a-cops that do what they are told without thought.

      Instead they need to hire people that sit and think, if I wanted to do X what would I do....... and then follow up on that

      I think it might be better to hire actuaries to actually look at the risk of death from each attack vector. And then compare them to all the other ways we can die (car accidents, heart disease, child drownings, etc), and think carefully about where we should be spending our money to optimize death prevention.

    8. Re:I am tired of this.... by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      [...] and it preserves the rights and dignity of everyone on that aircraft.

      Well, everyone except that hostage the air marshal shot threw...

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  43. Alright so... by dkuntz · · Score: 1

    Terrorist A: Surgically implanted detonator in penis...
    Terrorist B: 2 pounds of C4 in his rectum...

    But would they get their virgins after what they had to do to detonate the bomb...

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  44. One Big Experiment by Draconis183 · · Score: 1

    I think the TSA is one big social experiment to see just exactly how much crap we'll put up with.

  45. Bite the Bullet by WhoBeDaPlaya · · Score: 1

    We should just bite the bullet : http://www.forward.com/articles/122781/

  46. Won't somebody please think of the children? by lmnfrs · · Score: 1

    Eventually a boy will say he has a fart bomb which will cause girls to scream and run away, which will cause panic all around.

  47. FTFA by deadhammer · · Score: 2
    Fucking... really?

    Measures may include interaction with passengers, in addition to the use of other screening methods such as pat-downs and the use of enhanced tools and technologies, he said.

    We're talking about implanted bombs. Pat-downs won't help.

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    1. Re:FTFA by Nadaka · · Score: 2

      They will pat real hard.

    2. Re:FTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to look for the real reason you look for the keyword. In this case it's "technologies," meaning they want shit load of money to spend on crap that doesn't really do anything.

    3. Re:FTFA by Patman64 · · Score: 1

      Thank you, you made my day. XD

  48. The logical path by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

    So, anyone with half a brain has realized by now that there are ways to get around these backscatter devices, whether it's with surgically implanted devices, sticking devices up an orifice, or simply being in the other line at the checkpoint. If we go down the rabbit hole a bit, the TSA will doubtless try to push things further over time in order to "protect" our security against additional threats (let's pretend that there isn't popular outrage for a moment), meaning that they'll start rolling out ideas like having passengers disrobe, doing body cavity searches, or bringing in full-power x-ray devices so that internals can be seen. Let's think about this a bit.

    Logically:
    1) The TSA has demonstrated that, left to itself and its own ways, it will attempt to enact policies that are as draconian as possible.
    2) Surgically implanted devices cannot reliably be detected except with full-power x-rays of a passenger's internals.
    3) Full-power x-rays will never be permitted for use on everyone, due to radiation exposure concerns.
    4) As a result, the TSA can never hope to detect all devices, and is thus incapable of defending against all attacks.

    Any intelligent person should then be able to see that none of the flights are safe because the TSA cannot stop a dedicated terrorist from accomplishing his or her task once they are in the airport already. Therefore, the question shouldn't be, "how do we stop them from getting in once they're at the gate?" Instead, it should be, "what's the most effective way to identify them before they get anywhere close to the gate?" We all have heard the ironic fact that the TSA has never actually stopped a single terrorist, but rumors seem to indicate that the various three-letter government groups have managed to stop several plots in the last few years. Why not double-down on something that works and is flexible enough to adapt to new threats, and ditch the useless security theater that can only react to threats we've already seen?

    1. Re:The logical path by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      That is the problem, the TSA isn't intelligent, or logical therefore to them it makes perfect sense.

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    2. Re:The logical path by camperdave · · Score: 1

      All it takes is a stinger missile launcher near the airport and you can bring down a plane without being caught.

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    3. Re:The logical path by swillden · · Score: 1

      So, anyone with half a brain has realized by now that there are ways to get around these backscatter devices, whether it's with surgically implanted devices, sticking devices up an orifice, or simply being in the other line at the checkpoint

      Another option is to use plastic explosive and taper the edge so it blends smoothly into the skin. The backscatter machines can't distinguish between plastique and skin.

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    4. Re:The logical path by mescobal · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of Minority Report. They would end with something like pre-crime. The proof that there was a plot is that the crime never ocurred!!! Brillant. Like locking yourself and throwing the key.

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    5. Re:The logical path by Geminii · · Score: 1

      If it was a real issue, terrorists wouldn't waste time blowing up the plane from the inside. They'd detonate bombs at the security checkpoints, having them triggered by backscatter radiation, X-ray or neutron sensors etc. As a bonus, any such detonation would probably shut down a chunk of the airport and disrupt dozens of flights.

      Cue checkpoints being redesigned to process one person at a time inside a blastproof cell. Better get there four hours early. Until the bombs start being detonated right in the middle of the security checkpoint queues before the machines come into the picture. How are the TSA going to stop people lining up in front of the checkpoint? Put checkpoints at every airport door? And when there's only one checkpoint operating, and people are lining up in front of it...?

  49. Eff It by WillgasM · · Score: 1

    Y'know what, fuck it. If the "terrorists" are willing to go to such great lengths to blow up a plane, then let them have it. At that point they deserve it. Downing an airliner would cause no more collateral damage than bombing a bus at rush hour or a restaurant around dinner time. Just to make sure there's no confusion: I'm advocating less security at airports, not free peepee touches at the chinese buffet.

  50. Just move to Texas by JCota · · Score: 0

    When I read this it made me very happy to live in Texas, the TSA's power has been greatly decreased here and this is why http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/06/28/137474796/texas-legislature-approves-anti-pat-down-bill

    1. Re:Just move to Texas by Montezumaa · · Score: 1

      My understanding was that Texas dropped the measure after the US Government pressured them to drop it. I believe it also failed to pass for a second time, rather recently.

      As, yes, I found it: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/07/anti-groping-bill-fails-pass-texas-second-time

      The DoJ threatened to shutdown flights to Texas, if the bill passed, the first time. The second time, the votes could not be found in time. Texas should have told the US Government to go fuck itself to start its own airline authority.

  51. I dont condone by nimbius · · Score: 1

    terrorism, hijacking, or suicide bombings at all...but after experiencing something like the TSA, i can understand why people do it.

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  52. Safety... by aarongadberry · · Score: 1

    It isn't TSA's fault that they can't keep us safe, just that they keep chasing after an impossible goal.

  53. Dealing with the TSA by umask077 · · Score: 1

    Remember to always take the manual search. Don't forget to wear loose pants and no underwear. Give that pat down guy a suprise.

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  54. TSA Agent: No, you damn fool, put your gun away! by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

    I said her ass was "da bomb", not...(facepalm)

    (also relevant - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CORwMq9MG-c&feature=player_detailpage#t=55s)

    .

  55. It Was Never About Your Security by cosm · · Score: 1

    And always about your compliance with the nanny state. For all the wild-ass right-wingers chanting about 'Obama wanting to form a civilian defense force--one as powerful as our military' -- this is a little too close to that once far out mark. But I will qualify that statement with the fact that it was Bush and company who allowed for these sort of bureaucratic atrocities to begin with.

    For those who fly frequently, I don't know how you do it. The last time I flew it was the first time in about 2 years, and I was blown away at how militaristic those TSA goons are. Goose stepping around in their little blue uniforms with their big scary DHS logo's. WTF USA. Terrorist 1. USA -65535 and counting. I requested the enhanced patdown in lieu of the rad-machine, and was basically coerced into the scanner because 'they didn't have the time'.

    Not the America I grew up in...

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  56. CONGRATULATIONS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are the one millionth customer to post this exact same comment.

  57. Devil's avocado by XiaoMing · · Score: 1

    It pains me to say this, but as much as I hate the TSA, I think this summary, especially its title, was a misleading pile of trash.

    First off, TFA itself very reasonably states that the TSA is simply worried about this, due to recent intelligence from U.S. officials. Anyone remember the Bin Laden hard drives full of data? Honestly, this is probably the most credible source of anything yet.

    Furthermore, the only thing thing at all in the article, that mentions any tangible implementation by the TSA that we'd notice and be encumbered by, consists of:

    "As a precaution, passengers flying from international locations to U.S. destinations may notice additional security measures in place. These measures are designed to be unpredictable, so passengers should not expect to see the same activity at every international airport," Kimball said.

    Sanity check? Pass.

    Why point this out? Because the summary headline is dumb enough to say something to the effect that we will not be able to fly if we've had an official surgery from a US hospital because TSA is reacting to a common sense threat. Well they're not, it was simply an article reporting on an official briefing, and TSA stepping up their current (albeit often distasteful) methods.

  58. Terrorism is Amazingly effective! by Script+Cat · · Score: 1

    Look they don't actually have to do anything. Just say it and win the war. The enemy just jumps off a cliff while pissing his pants. This is what the the TSA is all about. We just piss and jump.

  59. So.... by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    When they find a person who recently had surgery what do they do?

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  60. Not particularly by overshoot · · Score: 2
    Bear in mind that the standard technique for hysterectomies has been transvaginal for the last several decades.

    However, it's not really even necessary to do that much. A woman who has recently given full-term birth has quite a bit of uterine capacity and a well-stretched cervix, plus all of the other indications of advanced pregnancy. Room in there for a LOT of HE.

    So now the TSA can get really suspicious of every woman with a bulging tummy.

    Next on the list: apple pies.

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  61. obligatory quote by rcb1974 · · Score: 1

    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Ben Franklin Man... The TSA folks need to get laid off so that they can lay off us all. If people want to feel 100% safe about flying then they should just not fly.

    1. Re:obligatory quote by ArcCoyote · · Score: 0

      obligatory, overused misquote. Die in a fire.

  62. Just eat it by Holammer · · Score: 1

    This is nothing but outlandish scaremongering that sounds *great* in the media. There is however, a far more down to earth method of doing it; just swallow it instead. There's plenty of space in your stomach and guts without having to resort to invasive surgery to produce a usable cavity. Plus it's easy to detonate it using a timer or a more sophisticated phone setup. ... also, if you need to postpone your martyrdom it's easy (relatively) to pass it naturally.

  63. Don't they ever drug test the TSA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, this ridiculous level of absurd paranoia they exhibit is consistent with the symptoms of meth abuse.

  64. Loose the hands! by bodland · · Score: 1

    Pat down all D cups or greater. Palpate for wires or external triggers hidden in brassiere.

  65. Dude, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The terrorists didn't give a rat's ass about our way of life. They hated us for our foreign exchange policies and abuse of our position of dominance in various global markets. THESE things were causing real pain to their lands and families....not our freedoms.

    You drink up the propoganda like a sponge. They had good reason to be pissed at us, and many of the people they killed were in fact responsible for some of their pain.

  66. A Gov that doesn't trust its Citizens is called... by unil_1005 · · Score: 1

    ...totalitarian.

    For extra credit, give three examples from yesterday's newspaper.

    (Jon Stewart references not accepted)

  67. KGB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    KGB - Komitet gosudarstvennoy bezopasnosti. English translation: Committee for State Security.

    Notice any similarities?

  68. New question at the security checkpoints... by egranlund · · Score: 1

    "Mamn, are those boobs real?"

  69. leeloo dallas, mullllllllti pass by TiggertheMad · · Score: 1

    No, the logical end is to give everyone who flies a sedative.

    That has also been done before in a movie: The fifth element. Interesting to note the movie depicted other elements of a police state, such as the 'multi pass', and 'police controls' I AM A MEAT POPCICLE!

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    1. Re:leeloo dallas, mullllllllti pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dingleberry, the sedative was because the journey from Earth to Frustrum Parallax was soooo long. And the proper quote is "Negative, I am a meat popsicle". Spoken, not shouted.

      Irregardless, Milla Jovovich sure is hot.

  70. Example please by Bardwick · · Score: 1

    How are we telling them how to lead thier lives?

    1. Re:Example please by FatSean · · Score: 1

      Remember the 70s/80s when the USA trained rebels to foment civil war in Afghanistan because the Russians had more influence than we did? We trained Bin Laden and then sold him out when the Russians left the country. Our actions started civil strife that resulted in the destruction of much of the Afghani infrastructure and allowed the Taliban to rise.

      9/11 was revenge.

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    2. Re:Example please by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      We paid a bunch of people to do a job. When the job was done they were so pissed we didn't continue to employee them that they decided to blow up two buildings in New York, part of one near DC and attempt of one in DC?

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    3. Re:Example please by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      That's not strictly correct.

      By removing the Russians, there was indeed a power vacuum left in Afghanistan. That did not mean that we started any sort of civil strife. Indeed, we did what a lot of people sort of wanted us to do in Iraq and Afghanistan today: win the war and leave.

      The Afghans could have easily chosen to not murder one another and start a bloody civil war. The problem is that they were not inclined to be peaceable. If we hadn't given them weapons, they would have done it with muskets or bows and arrows.

      I agree that there were positive actions we could have taken to help stabilize things, but they wouldn't be much different that what we are doing now anyway. Although it would have been many times better for us to have taken action in the 80's, I have trouble believing that we could have done it without a military presence in-country even then.

      In the end, it is the Soviets who are entirely to blame for the situation as it stands. It's they who could not keep their hands off of Afghanistan, and the fact that we thwarted them does not mean that we are now responsible for the whole debacle. If the Afghan people did not want to be free of the Soviets, they would not have rebelled and would not have accepted the weaponry. We granted them the means to secure the freedom to make of their country what they could, and they themselves decided to turn their country into an even bigger shithole.

      Even though the French helped us win the American Revolution, no one believes that they had any responsibility to make the United States work, and indeed, we didn't need their armies or constant monetary support to do so. There is only one reason that the Afghan people aren't living in a peaceful country today... themselves, or at the very least, their own leaders. The world was unhappy about the Taliban, but was willing enough to let them alone as long as they limited themselves to blowing up priceless works of history inside their own country. Once they decided to harbor terrorists, however, they opted to use their free will to antagonize the US and the West when they did not have to.

    4. Re:Example please by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I agree 100% with what you said, but you make a lot of great points (I especially liked the analogy about France and the American Revolution), thanks.

      The mismatch of tribal cultures interacting with bureaucracies is a factor.

      There also may be larger factors like the way money for things like natural gas pipeline corrupts governance.

      There are probably other roots going back a lot further with colonial interventions.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Afghanistan#British_invasion_and_Barakzai_dynasty

      When you start deeply analyzing all this, like you are doing, there are many interwoven historical factors to why any place is the way it is, with lots of blame to go around.

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  71. Scalpel! by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    That is going to be one invasive TSA search... oh well I guess they already got the gloves...

  72. Can driving be made safer? by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 1

    I understand that on average driving is more dangerous than flying. However, there are two factors that make me wonder how accurate this is for long trips.

    First, on a long trip you spend most of your time on the freeways outside of crowded urban areas. The accident rate on the interstates outside of urban areas is much lower than the urban accident rate, and it is the former that should be compare to the flying accident rate, not the later in this case.

    Second, you have much more control over the time and route of a car trip. That is, you can specifically chose routes that are safer, and you can chose times to drive when accidents are less likely. This should let you ensure that on your particular trip, your chances of a safe trip are much better than average. With flying on the other hand, you have much less control, so you risk is much closer to the average risk.

    It would not surprise me if these two factors were sufficient to make it possible to arrange for a drive of a few hundred miles or more to actually be safer than commercial air travel.

    1. Re:Can driving be made safer? by White+Flame · · Score: 1

      Right, most accidents are in more populated areas. It's a combination of not paying attention because the area or route is very familiar, and needing to get across a short distance quickly thus taking risks.

      On longer trips, you're through unfamiliar territory, so you're going to be more conscientious about your surroundings and probably take things a little more carefully. However, an additional problem is monotony of sensory inputs across large empty areas and fatigue, but those are much more noticeable, so can be handled much better. Take a break, see some sights, stop at a restaurant, etc.

    2. Re:Can driving be made safer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Second, you have much more control over the time and route of a car trip. That is, you can specifically chose routes that are safer, and you can chose times to drive when accidents are less likely. This should let you ensure that on your particular trip, your chances of a safe trip are much better than average.

      How does one compare and contrast various routes? Not trying to be a dick, I am actually curious, and Google doesn't seem to provide a long-term incident map.

  73. this is not hollywood fantasy by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    this is not a lame movie plot rip off from "the dark knight" or "total recall"

    this is real:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_al-Asiri

    i do think the TSA is overreacting, but we really do live in a world where people will stick bombs up their ass

    most of the derision in the posts here really should be in the form of depression that we have to worry about this kind of thing in the world. not worry about to the extent the TSA is, they are overreacting, but anal cavity bombers are a genuine threat to high profile targets

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  74. Monkeys running the zoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, this is yet another reason that I refuse to fly... you have the goddamn monkeys running the zoo here. The TSA gets some hairbrained idea as to how someone could blow up a fucking plane, they put in NEW rules to remove civil rights of the paying customers, and poof. Another video hits YouTube. If/when I travel cross country, I use alternate methods. I drive, take a bus, take a train, etc. About the ONLY way I will fly, is if I'm flying myself. If I have to deal with the TSA in any form, I'm not travelling that way.

    Here's another thing to consider... honestly, how many actual BOMBS has the TSA caught? And I mean by an independent count, not their own skewed numbers? Less than half a dozen? In a DECADE? Yeh, they're fighting off those horrible terrorists at every turn, 24/7, aren't they?

    Fuck TSA.

  75. Remember startdate 44246.3! by Rogue+Haggis+Landing · · Score: 1

    Anyone who remembers the Star Trek: TNG episode "Reunion" (season 4, episode 7) knows that surgically implanted bombs are an actual threat. The old "bomb in the bodyguard's forearm" technique would have worked perfectly for Duras, except that he made two mistakes: he used Romulan technology that was traceable back to him, and he then beat Worf's girlfriend to death. Think of the chilling implications. Worf' s girlfriend is already dead, so the terrorists can't screw up on that count, and they don't even have access to Romulan tech, do they?

    We're doomed.

  76. I want REAL security! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Personally, I won't feel safe on an airplane with anything less than full-body MRIs for all passengers and crew! Before flights and during layovers!

  77. Here's an idea by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

    Hey guys, this might be "out there", but how about we try to act in such a way that no one would want to try and blow us up? That would only leave crazy people to worry about and they're usually not that resourceful.

  78. Yup. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People shat their pants and bent over like sissies after 9/11 killed a paltry ew thousand people. Rage for revenge and demand for perfect safety seemed to rules the public discourse at the time. Those who pointed out that we had been attacking these peoples' countries for decades, and that two drawn-out unwinable wars were not the answer were regarded as traitors and troop-haters.

    The flag-waving cowards cleared the way for the TSA we have today.

  79. Hope they don't start hiding butt bombs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or we will be getting an anal probing every time we try to board a craft. In fact, "Board a Craft" will probably be what the kids call anal sex.

  80. Mod Parent Up FTW by billstewart · · Score: 1

    But the TSA itself is a pastiche of bad comic book plots, and their no-fly database was adapted from a bad imitation of Kafka.

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    1. Re:Mod Parent Up FTW by AvitarX · · Score: 2

      It actually is a pretty effective imitation of Kafka I think.

      Were it effective it would be a bad imitation.

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  81. Not the government. by FatSean · · Score: 1

    It was the pants-pissing pussies from the conservative fly-over states who demanded these insane forms of action. 9/11 did not merit two endless wars, nor did it merit the absurd level of "security" we have. But if you spoke up against the war or the security, plenty of Real Americans would shout you down.

    No son, the government did what the loudest crybabies demanded. And now the crybabies are upset. Go figure!

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    1. Re:Not the government. by enjerth · · Score: 1

      It was the pants-pissing pussies from the conservative fly-over states who demanded these insane forms of action.

      Citation?

      Nobody I know has any real fear of terrorists, here in this "fly-over" state of Nebraska. You know why? Because we're a fucking "fly-over" state.

      Check your facts, dickweed.

    2. Re:Not the government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you post here on /. if terrorists manage to nuke Nebraska and kill everyone? I'm pretty sure the mainstream media won't bother to tell us about some calamity that happens in a place that is way too flat. So it'll be up to you to tell us. If you don't, we'll presume everything is a-ok over there.

    3. Re:Not the government. by Duradin · · Score: 1

      I don't have citations but one easy experiment will prove who's right: point to the sky and shout "airplane", or perhaps even "Air Force One" and count how many people are on the ground in the fetal position in a city in Nebraska and in New York City (or point lite brites at people if in Boston). My bet is that it will be the East Coasters that are on the ground in droves.

    4. Re:Not the government. by enjerth · · Score: 1

      Pick any 5 of your conservative fly-over states. Add up their seats in the house of Representatives. New York has 29. How do the fly-over states compare to New York?

      Are you seriously suggesting that, for instance, Representatives of New York are representing the demands of conservative fly-over states?

      Don't you dare blame the direction of this country on your fly-over states. We don't have the representation to do much of anything.

    5. Re:Not the government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how will that prove that Nebraskans are the ones demanding the enhanced securitations, exactly?

    6. Re:Not the government. by Duradin · · Score: 1

      It will prove that it's not the fly over states that are the "pants-pissing pussies".

  82. rubber gloves by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    The fingers on the white rubber gloves just keep getting longer and longer....

  83. I agree... by p4nther2004 · · Score: 1

    -- but anal cavity bombers are a genuine threat to high profile targets The problem is that we're NOT talking high profile targets. High profile targets should fly on private planes - NOT public aircraft (Got that Boehner? All of Congress should fly on private aircraft....or you go through security like the rest of us...right now you're putting us in danger) Any time you talk about security, it's a risk vs reward type thing. We've made flying more difficult....spent billions (trillions?), and haven't caught anybody....demanded diapers....and allowed people with fake boarding passes to get onto planes.

  84. Arrgh! Seriously?? by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

    When do we just say that there's always some acceptable risk in any form of transportation and stop being so freakin' paranoid about every possibility?

  85. oh i agree, it's a total overreaction by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    my point was more that it is depressing that we live in a world where someone will voluntarily stick a bomb up their ass, for whatever cause

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    1. Re:oh i agree, it's a total overreaction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could do a movie about zombies with bombs up their asses. That would be great.

    2. Re:oh i agree, it's a total overreaction by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      LOL

      i love you man!

      my very own stalker

      i feel so loved

      *sniff*

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  86. Interesting diversion tactic by OrangeMonkey11 · · Score: 1

    It look like the TSA is trying to distract the public from their failure of allow a Nigerian to sneak onto a plane with expire boarding pass and fake IDs.

  87. Dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you know *anything* about the abuses our government has heaped upon them and theirs?

    They have very good reasons to hate us apart from us being different than they are.

  88. Drive? by jschmitz · · Score: 0

    That's hardly practical if you travel a lot -

  89. Airlines Maintenance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there any more stringent checks on the airlines, themselves for stricter maintenance and who is overseeing that? It seems that there are far more accidental crashes than terror related crashes in the friendly skies, am I hearing an Amen out there?

  90. Yes shit. by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 1

    It's already been done.

    Bomb in the Rectum? Sounds like the name of a good Mexican Restaurant.

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  91. Because we supported their oppressors? by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    "They hated us for our way of life"

    Well, technically, even though people tend to say:
          "They hated us because we were free",
    the truth seems to be closer to:
          "They hated us because we supported their oppressors",
    so, ironically, just the reverse of what many people try suggest about what has been going on.

    If by "way of life" you meant "democracy at home, imperialism abroad", then, yes, I guess there would be a lot of truth to that.

    According to a long ago New Yorker article, almost all the hijackers were Saudi males who were disenchanted with the Saudi regime the USA helps keep in power (to keep oil profits flowing to the right people).

    Related:
        "Bush Admits 'Majority' of 9/11 Hijackers Were Saudis"
        http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/01/16/bush-admits-majority-of-911-hijackers-were-saudis/
    "The breakdown was 15 Saudis, one Egyptian, one Lebanese and two from the Union of Arab Emirates (UAE).
    None were from Iraq. Despite this fact -- and the fact that Saddam Hussein was a secular despot who was despised by Osama bin Laden, a right-wing religious fanatic -- a poll two years after the attacks, and six months after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, 70 percent of Americans believed Iraq was responsible for the 9/11 attacks."

    See also:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Center_for_Democracy_and_Human_Rights_in_Saudi_Arabia
    "The Center for Democracy and Human Rights in Saudi Arabia (CDHR) is a (501)(c)3 non-profit organization established to promote timely and irreversible transformation of the existing Saudi autocratic institutions to a system whereby all Saudi citizens are empowered to chart a peaceful, prosperous, tolerant and safe future for themselves and for their religiously and economically influential country. CDHR was founded by Dr. Ali Alyami, executive director, in May 2004.[1] [2]"

    I'm not saying the hijackers were for democracy; I'm just saying they were unhappy about their prospects in that society. You can ask how people like that get radicalized, and an oppressive environment (one the USA helped sustain) contributes to that.

    See also:
        "Blowback, Second Edition: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire"
        http://www.amazon.com/Blowback-Second-Consequences-American-Empire/dp/0805075593

    And:
        "War is a Racket" by by Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient, Major General Smedley D. Butler, USMC, Retired
        http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

    I agree what is going on in airports is degrading security theater. Here is how we can create real security:
        http://www.pdfernhout.net/recognizing-irony-is-a-key-to-transcending-militarism.html
    "We the people need to redefine security in a sustainable and resilient way. Much current US military doctrine is based around unilateral security ("I'm safe because you are nervous") and extrinsic security ("I'm safe despite long supply lines because I have a bunch of soldiers to defend them"), which both lead to expensive arms races. We need as a society to move to other paradigms like Morton Deutsch's mutual security ("We're all looking out for each other's safety") and Amory Lovin's intrinsic security ("Our redundant decentralized local systems can take a lot of pounding whether from storm, earthquake, or bombs and would still would keep working"). "

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  92. Takes a lot to bring a modern plane down by jeko · · Score: 2

    Actually, it does take a fairly big boom to bring a modern plane down. Even an explosive decompression doesn't bring the plane down.

    The funny thing is that the guys who design and build planes would prefer they not fall out of the sky, so they tend to be big believers in redundancy. The sort of bombs you could smuggle on planes -- grenades, exploding shoes and underwear, binary explosives mixed up in the bathroom and other assorted nonsense -- don't pose much of a threat. You can relax. The sound you'll hear as your plane falls out of the sky is not going to be "Allahu Akbar" with incredibly annoying ululation.

    Nope, the sound you'll hear in dramatic time-shifted voiceover as your plane falls out of the sky will be "Well, Bill, I'm not really seeing the ROI justification for this maintenance schedule. I think a more reasonable approach would be to set the maintenance schedule to what the vendor certified as MTBF. The engineers are paranoid, and that's what we pay them for, but they don't really understand the real-world business impact..."

    You want a thought to make you break out in a cold sweat as you sit crammed between the fat guy and the screaming kid?

    Here's one. The same sort of guys guys who decided to blow up the Space Shuttle Challenger and the Deepwater Horizon set the maintenance schedule on your plane and also decided just how much fuel your plane should be loaded with before takeoff.

    You're not going to die because Achmed the terrorist got to sit down on your plane. You're going to die because the airline lobbyists got to sit down with your senator.

       

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    1. Re:Takes a lot to bring a modern plane down by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      After Lockerbie some tests were done on the cargo containers they use for hold luggage. It turned out that you can easily build a bomb-proof container, but the materials cost is a lot higher. When I say "bomb proof" I mean strong enough to resist the explosion of the sort of bomb you could sneak on in a maximum size suitcase.

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  93. "Revolt in 2100" by jhumkey · · Score: 1

    I guess someone in the TSA finally caught up on their Heinlein reading. "If I can just arch my shoulder blade back in the right position to hit the detonation switch . . ." So now what . . . X-Raying to see through our cloths isn't enough. Now we'll be required to have MRI's before boarding for internal scans as well? (sigh) . . .

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  94. It was in a movie so it is true by fantomas · · Score: 1

    Quite clearly if it was in a Hollywood movie then it must be true :-)

  95. Ma'am: The amazing expanding boobs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aren't breast implants suppose to explode when planes undergo decompression? At least the in plane video should be interesting.

  96. less goes around the less you make it go around by Onymous+Coward · · Score: 1

    Better not to fear others for being different. Mostly people aren't interested in hurting you just because they're different.

    And you might read up some on the motivations for things like 9/11.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FatawÄ_of_Osama_bin_Laden

    Bin Laden's 1996 fatwÄ is entitled "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_for_the_September_11_attacks

    Most people understand that just because another person is different doesn't mean that that other person is evil and needs to be fought. It's kind of ironic, actually... See, if you fear others, it makes you more suspicious, more likely to "protect" yourself by gearing up for a fight, more likely to condemn them, more likely to attack them. If you fear people who are different, you become the thing that you fear.

    Quit being so afraid. It makes trouble for us all.

  97. Yes, they -are- trying to stop flying entirely. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, they -are- trying to get everyone to stop flying completely. It's too simple for people to move around the country/world. "Control the movement of the populace." Shades of 1941 Germany: no movement without proper papers.

  98. Important Safety Information. by Roachie · · Score: 1

    I think* the terrorists are going to start smuggling explosives into the safe zone in the anal cavities of TSA agents. We cant have these unsecured rectums wandering around in a secure area. Its for the children.

    There, its out there, did my part. Spread the word.

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  99. Children or seeing-eye dogs more likely to pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone who KNOWS they have a bomb in them will have to train hard or be a total psychopath not to seem suspicious.

    Implant a bomb in a seeing-eye dog or an innocent, ignorant child and they won't seem suspicious.

    Double-bonus points if the people the animal or child is traveling with are also in the dark about the bomb.

    Eventually we'll all get screened before travel like in Total Recall.

  100. want to fly? full body cat scan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    problem is that you can only fly twice a year.

  101. Imposter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  102. I'm flying in two weeks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I doubt I will have to deal with any of the bullshit you idiots predict. I've flown plenty of times and never once had an issue. Try being polite and helpful instead of whatever attitude you think you have a right to in the security line. All you're doing is being a nigger and annoying travelers.

    Like you ever leave your parents' basement anyway.

  103. They missed a couple by one-egg · · Score: 1

    Obviously, the TSA is slipping, because there are several threats they missed in the current warning. For example, I heard that the bad guys are planning to kidnap the President, replace him with a robot, and hide a nuke inside. If that doesn't work, they're going to hijack a rocket, land on an asteroid, and divert it to crash into New York City. Expect porno scanners for astronauts to be announced in the next few days.

  104. P. K. Dick: Impostor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also, check out P. K. Dick's "Impostor".

    "The blast was visible all the way to Alpha Centauri."

  105. TSA and women by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

    We already have instances of TSA workers pulling women for additional screening by the "nude photo scanner" (for our safety, of course). Are they now going to claim that any large chested woman be "examined in detail" to make sure her breasts aren't hiding bombs? "Ma'am you can either take off your shirt and bra and let us feel up your boobs... for safety... or you are confirming that you are a terrorist that hates America. Which is it?"

    I just wish I was joking. I wouldn't put it past some TSA folks to do this.

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  106. Oh really by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    Yes, doctor take out one of my lungs, and a kidney please, i got to make room for all this c4...dont worry ...i know i wont be able to play sports ever again, but then again i wont be living that long either...
    come on.....who at the FAA would have thought of this crap???

  107. There was a scene in The Dark Knight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The bomb wasn't hidden well, but it was under the skin. The hiding of drugs in body cavities is old news, was this obvious concern just held to spread out the fear to add more government welfare for corporations like the company that makes the scanners?

  108. Bet it's cheaper by jeko · · Score: 1

    I bet the bombproof cargo containers are a lot cheaper than the TSA body scanners.

    And that's why strong cargo containers and flight deck door locks don't get implemented. They don't make the right people rich.

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