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Digital Generation Rediscovers Analog Wristwatches
Hugh Pickens writes "As recently as a half-decade ago, time seemed to be running out for the wristwatch; the mechanical device was declared to be going the way of the abacus. But now the NY Times reports that the 'sundial' of the wrist is experiencing an uptick among members of the digital generation, particularly by heritage-macho types in their 20s and 30s who are drawn to the wristwatch's retro appeal, just as they have seized on straight razors, selvedge denim and vintage vinyl. 'A cool machine that is all moving parts has got to be intrinsically interesting to someone born into this generation,' says Mitch Greenblatt, an online retailer of design-forward watches who is seeing a surge in business, 'because there's just nothing like that in their life.'"
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The train conductor/robber-baron look is coming back
I'm 36 and I own an analog wristwatch. I've owned several over my lifetime as well. My 5 year old son is familiar and will continue to be familiar with analog wristwatches as most everyone in his extended family wears one. How is this retro, unique or something terribly interesting because it has moving parts and is not digital? Watches have always been fashionable and (IMHO) will continue to be for all generations for the rest of my life. It's not like we're talking about 8-tracks, cassette tapes and to some extent vinyl for example. Those devices will definitely be retro to my kid as they have never (and probably never will be) a part of his life.
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I still think that digital watches are a pretty neat idea.
(Besides I have some difficulties to read analog watches).
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The term 'mechanical' would be more appropriate, though I guess mechanical is still analog. I hope TFA is about mechanical watches not watches with a digital core driving mechanical hands. Anyway a good mechanical wristwatch is a masterpiece of precision design and engineering and there's something intrinsically cool about it being able to measure time almost as precisely as you could by simply dividing down the signal from a quartz oscillator. I see nothing wrong with it, plus it doesn't need batteries, which can be a plus in a postapocalyptic scenario / finding-oneself-stranded-on-a-mountain-with-no-batteries-nearby-just-as-soon-as-they've-run-out-type situation.
Is this news? I'm a mid-twenty-something and everyone I know -- EVERYONE -- wears and has worn true analog watches. Seriously, I know people who would sooner wear tennis shoes with their work clothes than a Casio or Timex watch. Nearly a quarter of my friends wear watches that need to be wound. I would have been more surprised to read that the digital generation was moving back to retro digital LCD watches.
There are some things I like retro because I believe they are better (like DE safety razors) in some utilitarian way.
Analog watches aren't exactly one of them. Compared to a digital: they worse at keeping accurate time, most don't update themselves like "atomic" watches do, and some (like Rolex) may need some maintenance after a while. It's like a Japanese vs. German car - Japanese car is more practical overall, and German cars are often overengineered - but they're important to people who care about making a fashion statement. And I respect watchmaking as an art/science but there are enough old ones around unused that you don't need to buy new.
That said, I find most digital watches ugly. They need an Apple-like brand in terms of design that gets in there and promotes nice materials like a sapphire crystal face, clean lines, and minimalism. A digital watch almost always has ugly styling or just has too much going and is too busy looking. In fact, maybe an iWatch wouldn't be a bad idea.
If you build me a hard drive in a transparent enclosure, so I can see what's going on, damn straight that'd be pretty cool. As is, it's a grey box bolted to a grey frame inside a black plastic box. It could be filled with bricks, for all your average consumer cares.
As a rule, digital watches tend to look cheap and tacky, I've had analog watches of one sort or another for most of the last 15 years (nothing too fancy, all sub-£100) and they just look better.
Digital wristwatches, which are rarely stylish, are being replaced by cell phones and the litany of other devices with clocks built into them. I don't wear a watch namely because I have no need. If I need to know the time I look at my phone. Analog watches are used for stylistic purposes nowadays, thats pretty much it.
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I inherited a lightly-worn 1962-ish Omega Speedmaster a few years ago and quite enjoy wearing it (though not every day, b/c it's so damn heavy). The Speedmaster is now marketed as the "moon watch" because it was worn by the Apollo astronauts. The Speedmaster was a good choice because of the plastic crystal that wouldn't shatter and cause problems in zero-G. It cost me a few hundred $ to get a new main spring and pushers, and works as well today as it did 50 years ago.
I like it because it's a good reminder of what you can accomplish without the latest and greatest technology. Sure you have to wind it every day or so, and sure your $5 Casio keeps better time, but it was good enough to help get people to the moon. Astronauts literally trusted their lives with this thing - the watch was used to sequence maneuvers, estimate oxygen levels and time spacewalks walks. And all this was done with a spring, some gears and highly-precise engineering. If anything, it's a reminder that if you are going to build something, build it right.
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Hipsters have discovered analog wristwatches.
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That's really good news. i was starting to worry that there would soon be no way to explain which way things turn. In a digital world, which way is "clock-wise"?
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Watches are, for me, completely useless, as I have a damn phone to get the time, weather and ... Pretty much all I need to know on everyday life. Analog or not, it's not useful for me (and I don't need/like jevelry)
And right now, I have my Dad's old analog on my wrist.
And ok, get off ... etc etc...
"The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes" - Winston Churchill
With smart phones becoming cheaper and larger more people have phones that are difficult to pull out from your pocket and have less than reliable battery life.
This makes having the time on your wrist much more convenient to a potentially time consuming task of getting the time from your smart phone.
Bricks?
That's been done.
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"Digital Generation Rediscovers Analog Wristwatches"
It was on my wrist this whole time!
Or cars.
Exactly. There's also another facet to it, though.
People graduating with employable degrees into high-pay positions will immediately find themselves back in that yuppie culture that seems to die off (or at least subside) every decade before being brought back to life with each economic recovery. Part of this includes status symbols, so what better way to justify the purchase of a status element than to buy something that most others in their generation aren't accustomed to seeing? Most in this generation look at mechanical items and think "wow, this is how stuff was done before electronics got involved!" and that's immensely fascinating, so the 4 figure payment suddenly has extra "merit."
(for the uninitiated, yuppie = a young urban professional. The term could be constrewed as derogatory, though I never saw it that way)
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An analog (not mechanical) watch would be interesting. How would that work I wonder? Truly would be news for nerds.
...reading an analog clock is a lost art with many of our young people. I often find my high-school students asking me "Mister, what time is it?" while staring directly at the analog clock in my room. It took me a while to figure out that they do not know how to read time on a clock with hands. So now, at the start of the year, we have a clock-reading activity that I stole from a 3rd-grade workbook.
Seriously.
This story feels a bit like one of those "suits are making a comeback!" stories.
How in the hell are you suppose to load Linux on one?
They don't make gold digital watches.
That's always frustrated me. I would love to wear a classy-looking (ladies) watch, but they don't make them with digital displays! Why on earth not?
Ever since I got my first digital watch as a kid, I've never looked back. Now I'd be hard pressed to find a digital watch that doesn't show me time in 24-hour format, show me the month/day/year, show me time in different time zones, allow me to set multiple alarms or chime on the hour or converts to a stopwatch if I ever need it (okay, I rarely use that, but it's handy when I do need it)...what's the benefit to analog watches again? You can replace the numbers on the dial with chips of diamond to mess people up even more, and call it 'high end'?
So I wear something like this clunky looking thing, which may not be bling, but at least it's got the bells and whistles I want. I just long for something a bit prettier for everyday wear...without sacrificing efficiency and (many) features, that is.
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"I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
I'm an old guy - 46 - and I prefer dial/analog watches - although most are quartz.. I can read them faster. With just a glance, I know the time. And, I can't find it, there was a study that showed most people can read the analog time faces faster. IIRC, it has to do with seeing the digital numbers, interpreting them, and it requires extra thought. Try it. Compare the digital readout with the analog readout on your computers clock.
Did Rolex ever make a digital watch?
When I look at a timepiece it's rare that I want to know what time it is. Much more often I want to know "how long since" or "how long until" something. An analog display gives me this info much more quickly than digital.
It's not so much that these "heritage-macho" types are using straight razors so much as they don't really have a lot to shave.
They might own a straight razor, and have it placed just so on their dresser next to a bone-handled shaving brush, but they are certainly not using them.
Wristwatches never went out of style. It's much easier to tell time with a device on your wrist than with a device in your pocket or on your belt.
I'll bet that wristwatches were much less popular in the 60's than they have been since 2000.
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this story sounds very plausible, as I'm 26 years old and only a week ago I ordered a self winding wristwatch that features clear view on the mechanics from the front. not having to charge something ever does seem weird to me :)
I think it'd just be a motor with a feedback loop to keep the back-emf (and hence the speed) constant, used to drive the hands. Or an analog oscillator with a "tick" circuit, though now you almost have a digital watch (is the LM555 an analog or a digital IC? A little of both...). But then, true mechanical watches, with their escapement mechanisms, seem almost "digital" in this respect as well. And if you're going to go through that trouble, why not use a quartz crystal (at which point you've arrived at a Timex). I imagine there are thousands of amusing ways to build a (probably not very precise) watch.
Just by coincidence I am wearing my "Flintstone" watch instead of one of my analogs. Well actually this one *is* truly analog:
A Fossil sundial watch.
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why do you dipshits keep posting stories that are behind a pay wall, what is the NY Times stroking your junk?
... that they no longer think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.
They have started going back to analog.
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You're not understanding the retro-ness of wearing watches because your fashion is completely outdated. The general population stopped wearing watches (myself included) while you were stuck in a dimly-lit cave all this time. Your response is just as amusing as someone saying "How can bell-bottom jeans be back in style when I never stopped wearing them?" LOL at you.
Since it's a monstrous 45mm wide you'd better hope the current big watch craze doesn't die down soon.
I hate wearing things on my wrist. I used to carry a pocketwatch before cell phones were common, then I started scratching my cellphone every time I pulled my pocket watch out by its chain. I eventually just started using my phone to tell time because it remained accurate to the minute whereas the watch sometimes was off (and the date was often off too).
Speedometers in cars are analog exactly because of that: it takes no time to interpret analog hands/dials with respect to reading and understanding a 3 numbers figure.
And that's not going to change anytime soon since it's how our brain works. Numbers need to be made sense of, oblique lines don't.
(Besides, doesn't anyone feel that 4s representation in 7-segment displays is wrong?)
I used to wear a watch all the time. When my then-current watch died, I got new one. It didn't last 6 months. I got a different brand, and it, too, died within 6 months. (My previous watches never broke, I just got tired of them after 5 years.) These were all digital watches from Timex (2) and Casio (1). All crap. I then tried a purely mechanical watch (that was more expensive, of course), but it was just too heavy and huge.
So, I stopped wearing one and I really don't miss it. I have my iphone with me almost all the time and it conveniently also keeps time.
Another case of everything being made in China do bare-minimum standards and designed to fail. The watches I bought that died within 6 months weren't the $10 ones, but $40-$50. I figure for that kind of money, they better last more than a year.
Either the band broke (which I'd replace, and it would break again) or I'd wear it out in the rain and it would get water inside despite being "100M water resistant".
I don't know, but it works for me.
Stupid ass british aristocrat telling people that 'shaving your face' is manly. Pft.
Actually that would have been Alexander the Great, a Macedonian aristocrat from 300-something BC if I recall Iron Maiden lyrics correctly. :-)
There are at least two demographics at work here: the hipsters you describe, and another group sometimes referred to as "young fogeys." The latter group tends to be interested in things of yore because they were better, and not just because they are old, e.g. writing calligraphy with a good fountain pen on nice paper, mowing the lawn with a reel mower because it leaves nicer edges, and yes, shaving with a straight razor because it gives a better shave.
In addition to the superior performance (at the admitted cost of vastly increased hassle) there is a sense of pride in learning to do something inherently difficult and potentially dangerous. For more information check out my tutorial videos on youtube, username = jockeys41
I'll also add that it's easy to spot a strait razor poser as he/she will only have one razor, whereas someone who actually shaves with them every day (as I do) will have at least half a dozen in rotation to reduce the honing burden.
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How quaint.
This is hilarious to those of us who grew up when everything was analog. Having both a wristwatch and a cell phone is a little... don''t know how to put this...
LMAO at the kids! Now if they really got retro and started using slide rules I'd be impressed.
That said (*blush*) I have an analog clock on my wall. Just saw an article on CNN today that said cassettes are making a comeback -- that's even funnier!
What's next, black and white CRTs?
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It's not so much that these "heritage-macho" types are using straight razors so much as they don't really have a lot to shave.
They might own a straight razor, and have it placed just so on their dresser next to a bone-handled shaving brush, but they are certainly not using them.
Check out the shaving forums (yes, there are such things!) Plenty of guys actually use straight razors on a daily basis. Many more have gone the Double Edge route though.
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Cell phones are known for having other functionality as well as being able to tell the time. I've never seen the point of strapping a somewhat functional piece of jewelry to my arm when I have a small device in my pocket that tells the time, as well as doing a hundred or more other things that I find useful.
My analog display watch enables hands free operation and is water resistant to 100m. Its a far better choice in the rain or when scuba diving. When hiking/backpacking/camping my cellphone is generally powered down and in a dry bag, reserved for emergencies. "Never seen the point" is taking an otherwise reasonable argument too far.
Nonsense. You can get a nice watch for $30 at any department store. Comfortable, durable, and featureful. The only thing it doesn't do is serve as an ostentatious display of status, but there's nothing nice about that at all.
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however I have rocked a Swiss army wrist watch for evar and a day
it is full of win
what time is it?
look at watch
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which pocket is smart phone in? dig phone out unlock it to see the god damned time.
also as a left handed person I like the subtle "Hey I'm Left Handed" announcement my watch on my right wrist makes. I can't speak for other lefties but I will sometimes scan for my lefty brothers with watches on their right wrists ....oh btw righties don't wear your watches on the right it is OUR THING =p
actually I am happy to see you, however that is in fact a banana in my pocket.
Cheap digital watches and cell phones are not rugged enough. Rado Diastar for me. Carbide case with sapphire crystal. Drop on a tile floor? Crash into glass doorknobs? Drop into ocean? No problem. Now if Panasonic made a Toughbook watch, I might switch.
Sorry, but gray text on gray background is making my eyes bleed.
My cell is in a holder on my belt with the screen blacked out most of the time. My watch is on my wrist where I can check the time in about a second. It probably takes me at least ten times that long to pull out my phone, turn on the screen, check the time, and put the thing away.
I'll admit I don't have to shave that often, but I resent the "heritage-macho" label, and further resent the implication that I bought my razors out of a sense of fashion. I could go the hipster route by saying I bought my razors back when it wasn't cool (which I did), but I mainly bought them as a way to reduce waste, reduce my bills, and I *hate* shopping (haven't bought or charged a razor since), and as sort of a mini-hobby. I do like sharp things, and being able to put a sharp edge on things even more. Hence the straight razors and nice kitchen knives. Shaving properly with a straight razor also tends to irritate my face less than other methods.
I admit, I only wear a wristwatch while exercising, and that's because it's an HRM. I do have a windup pocketwatch, which I used to wear all the time in lieu of a wristwatch because I don't like the feel of wristwatches on my skin, but it would get scratched too much, and the smartphone serves the timekeeping purpose well enough. I mostly keep the pocketwatch (which again, takes no batteries) for showmanship at the big band dances I play at (for checking the time for countoff). The ticking is also comforting to me.
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Analog watches will always succeed as time pieces because the picture conveys the "meaning" of time(keeping).
Analog watches convey information more efficiently than digital watches, just as a picture of, say, the bison in Yellowstone, conveys more meaning than a descriptive paragraph of the scene.
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I used to be an analog snob until I saw an engineer at our company use the calculator on his wristwatch (before everyone one had smart phones) during a meeting to come up with a few figures... at the time I was doing a lot of grilling and timing is crucial... a digital watch worked much better, so I got one. After that, it's been great - I coached a few teams (academic and sports) and had the stop watch; the alarm clock has been great, and lot more convenient than my smart phone when I'm running down the field with my team...
You know, they do make watches with slide rules on them. Yeah, I've heard plenty of jokes about these from people who've never used one, but they're actually pretty cool, and easy to use—here are some instructions for Casio models.
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Digital watches are the fad, analog watches have always been around, and never went away, except in the minds of retailers.
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I've always liked analog watches just because it's hard to find a sophisticated/respectable-looking digital watch. Though, admittedly, I'm also one of those people who has a (Perhaps overdeveloped and almost nerd-like) appreciation for the form of things, and so they do appeal to me for various other reasons as well. But I think it's mostly that I can't find digital watches I like.
Earlier this week, I was considering the possibility of making a project out of crafting myself an analog wristwatch once I have my own machine tools. It turns out there's tons of sources on eBay for new watch movements, hands, and the tools you need to assemble/craft your own.
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FWIW, you can always go "high-end" in the digital watches for bling. For example: http://www.thetimecomputer.com/ or http://www.ventura.ch/
Or instead, you might consider going classic and find an older "pre-owned" digital watch or maybe a more recent watch that is still widely available like the Timex T2N3129J...
I've been using one of these for years.
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My son uses a half hunter pocket watch. He says it is a great conversation starter especially with the ladies.
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MICHAEL WILLIAMS, who runs A Continuous Lean, a men’s style blog, ditched his Timex when he got his first cellphone in 2001.
Tyler Thoreson, the head of men’s editorial for Gilt Man, the flash sale Web site, often kept his forgettable watches stashed in a drawer.
And Eddy Chai, an owner of Odin New York, a downtown men’s boutique, gave up wearing watches regularly in his mid-20s, when he outgrew his Casio.
But after going watch-free for much of the last decade, the three men — all in their 30s and considered style influencers — are turning back time. Mr. Thoreson, 38, is shopping for a vintage gold IWC with a white dial or a Rolex GMT-Master. Mr. Chai, 38, has been wearing a vintage Rolex, loosely dangling around his wrist, “not as a timepiece, but as a piece of jewelry,” he said.
And Mr. Williams, 32, splurged on three watches: an IWC Portuguese, a Rolex GMT-Master II and an Omega Speedmaster, also known as the “moon watch,” since that is what Apollo astronauts wore.
“The men’s-wear set has recently rediscovered the joy of proper mechanical timepieces,” Mr. Williams said. “Right now there is no clearer indication of cool than wearing a watch. If it was your grandfather’s bubbleback Rolex, even better.”
As recently as a half-decade ago, time seemed to be running out for the wristwatch. With cellphones, iPods and other clock-equipped devices becoming ubiquitous, armchair sociologists were writing off the wristwatch as an antique, joining VHS tapes, Walkman players and pocket calculators on the slag heap of outmoded gadgets.
The wristwatch “may be going the way of the abacus,” declared a news article in The Sacramento Bee in 2006. The Times of London had it “going the same way as the sundial.” The Boston Globe, in a 2005 lifestyle feature, was more definitive: “Anyone who needs to know the time these days would be wise to ask someone over the age of 30. To most young people, the wristwatch is an obsolete artifact.”
Or, not.
The “sundial” of the wrist is experiencing an uptick among members of the supposed lost generation, particularly by heritage-macho types in their 20s and 30s who are drawn to the wristwatch’s retro appeal, just as they have seized on straight razors, selvedge denim and vintage vinyl.
"It’s an understated statement about your station in life, your taste level,” Mr. Thoreson said.
He got a taste of the pent-up demand last fall, when Gilt organized a high-end vintage watch sale with Benjamin Clymer, 28, who runs an online magazine for watch enthusiasts called Hodinkee.com. (Mr. Clymer, a former UBS manager, said his site attracts 250,000 unique visitors a month, more than half of them under 40.)
Fourteen of the 17 watches, with an average price of $4,800, sold in the first six hours. Gilt now holds a watch sale every month. “In certain circles,” Mr. Thoreson said, “if you don’t have a substantial timepiece with some pedigree, you feel like you’re missing out on something.”
To be fair, the doomsayers were not entirely wrong. Few people actually need a watch to tell time anymore. Melanie Shreffler, editor in chief of Ypulse, a Web site and market research company that tracks youth trends, observed, “even the high school and college students who wear watches usually pull out their cellphones to check the time.”
But that’s the point. A watch these days may strike some people as an impractical, frivolous and often costly way to express individual style. But that is just another way of saying that it’s fashion.
“Considering how casual most people dress on a day-to-day basis, a glamorous watch is one of the few accessories that can be at once sporty, luxurious and utilitarian,” the designer Michael Kors wrote in an e-mail. Mr. Kors has a line of oversize chronographs, manufact
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Bullshit. But anyone spending that much on a watch either spending someone else's money or has more money than sense. From a distance, nobody can tell what type of watch you have on.
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funny thing is most "analog" watches are battery powered electronics, replace lcd with hand and bobs your uncle!
To be fair, you can get some classy and yet functional digital watches, but you'd be hard pressed to find that combined with all the other features that you're looking for. Utility vs beauty alas remains a compromise.
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I'm currently using an all plastic casio, a remake of one of the digital watches that popularized them. It's pretty useful, watertight. I think they've upgraded the wristband too, it does not dry out as fast, and I'm pretty sure they've replaced the light as well. Otherwise, it's the same thing.
It's a bit of a statement with all the huge analog watches by now. It tells people that I don't need to buy an expensive watch. It's very functional, cheap, watertight and pretty nerdy too. I bought it for 7 euro 50 cents, but I've seen it advertized for a while for a measly 2 euro and 50 cents. But the best thing compared to these analogue watches is that it *can actually tell you what day it is* - don't you hate things that don't do their main function well?
And you resent the "macho" label?
What's your instrument, sport? You guys play the standards? I love hearing about other slashdotters who are real musicians. I've written some arrangements for a big band here in Chicago, but have mostly been focusing on film music since 2003.
Let's see...npsimons...you're an alto sax band leader, right? Smooth Johnny Hodges-esque counting off Big Noise from Winnetka? Some Fletcher Henderson tunes? I can see it in my mind's eye. Or maybe a mellow trombone Dorsey-style?
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Hell, I would consider a pager more retro than a wristwatch these days...
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Good point. I do know a few of you types. I have a friend who I believe doesn't own anything made after 1966. You walk into his house and you think you're in some Frank Tashlin movie.
I would try a straight razor, but I fear my wife might get mad at me someday and wait until I go to sleep...
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That's one ugly watch, but it's really hard to find a nice looking digital watch even for men IMHO. Nixon makes some attractive watches and so do Diesel. They tend to skew to style over features though, "back to basics" is the thing now in digital watches.
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I have thought about it. A sundial is an analog clock.
I'm mid 30s. I have a very nice and fancy looking Titanium analog watch. The crystal was, apparently, notoriously fragile and it got a "scratch" after a bump and then after a 2nd bump a few weeks later it cracked clean in half. I retired it.
Annoyed by the fragile nature of the "fancy" watch I dug out my ORIGINAL and PRE-INDIUM Timex Iron-Man watch, (complete with replacement wrist band) put in a fresh battery, and wear that when I need a watch. Now THAT is retro. Takes a lickin and keeps on tickin.
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Where I live, in Europe, only some engineer would dare sport a digital watch, which would be considered quite bad taste by almost everyone else. This, at least, since mid '80s. Cheap Swatches () may have something to do with that.
I volunteer as an EMT. In the field it is much faster to take vitals with a dial watch. My BOB has one too, I take that everywhere I go that has the potential to be stuck in the wilderness.
They come in the dark, only in the darkest.
Don't forget "classicness" and correctness.
Classicness - Gradnpa's or Dad's watch (smuggled in teh azz of a fellow soldier for many years as a POW, etc). I've got my Dad's that he bought in Zurich before he left the service in ww2.
Correctness - In my '65 Porsche I want an mp3 player since my original radio is AM/FW/SW and not the worlds best. Speakers are easy, there are some cheap radio shack ones that are 6v and the right size to put in. I've got an original radio, and I plan on gutting it and putting a mp3 player board similar to this one into the guts of it. The preset knobs could still be used to shuffle forward/back/etc wtih a little work.
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Mate, chill out. For most people it's not about a status display. You can find plenty of hobbiests who love mechanical watches and enjoy sharing their latest finds which only cost them $50, and are sufficiently obscure that only a fellow enthusiast will have any idea what it is. Most people can't even recognize a mechanical watch just by looking at it. How is that any different from someone whose hobby is retro gaming?
I have a Breitling Aerospace (Titanium and Gold) which is all digital but does have analog hands and an LED space for dress occasions and Casio G-Shock for work.
My next watch is going to be a Casio AMW330D-1AV Dive Chronograph and in two years I'll get an Omega Speedmaster for a 40th birthday present to myself.
Someone had to ask. Clockwise will no longer make sense when we all go digital. I'm sorry to sound like a scratched record when I say things like this about the loss of language phrases, btw...
"The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes" - Winston Churchill
A cool machine that is all moving parts has got to be intrinsically interesting to someone born into this generation,' says Mitch Greenblatt, an online retailer of design-forward watches who is seeing a surge in business, 'because there's just nothing like that in their life.
Cars anyone? Hard drives? Cameras? I don't see what this guy is getting at.
I'm a 43 year old scientist, and recently started working in New York City. I discovered analog mechanical watches back in the early 1990's and really liked the idea of a self-winding accurate time piece due to not requiring a battery, appreciation of mechanical engineering, and a little style. Now working in New York City and receiving some fashion style advice from a coworker helping to increase my chances of finding Mrs. Right, she has steered me in the right direction. Guys, girls notice you how you look too, and this includes the clothes you wear, your confidence, the shoes you wear, and the watch you wear. Yes, wearing a watch in times where everyone has a cell phone is redundant but it also says some about YOU, and the ladies will notice this. Go buy a good analog mechanical time piece and pass it along in the family for a few generations. Take very good care of it and it won't necessarily go down in value either. I have a nice small collection of vintage American pocket watches, one of which is a Waltham Appleton Tracy & Co. railroad watch. American railroad pocket watches are rather accurate time pieces for the time period. I would like to get a watch with a Tourbillon, but these are out of my price range. Here are some helpful links: http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Price-Watches-Cooksey-Shugart/dp/1574324594/ref=dp_ob_title_bk http://www.zenith-watches.com/en/#/home/ http://www.iwc.com/en-us/ And for the financially successful Geek with money to burn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AlD0cMHGIM Enjoy your new watch and appreciate the design, time, and engineering that went into making it. It might even help get you a girl.
I do honestly think that an analog face on a watch can be more artistic and more attractive that a LCD. Battery or spring behind the face regardless.
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Once upon a time, having not worn a wristwatch for years, I bought a digital watch. After about two years, the battery died. When I went to get it replaced, it transpired that the watch had also died. I repeated this scenario twice. Finally I thought that enough was enough, and that if I ever bought another watch, I'd get something worth keeping, and repairing if necessary. Because you wear your watch every day, and you get used to having it there when you need to tell the time.
Well, I've had a long career in the software business, and I think that I've been through its many annoyances throught the years; stuff that was written in a hurry, stuff that was just simply half-arsed and stuff that was the work of a true professional (I'm talking about other people's work here); that was both elegant and delightful to read back over.
And I kinda like that stuff - done by someone who was an artist as well as just getting the job done. Things like that are just a delight and a pleasure to work with.
There is such a thing as "just feels right" - probably not something you could measure in any rational way, but you can feel it if it is there. I would think that if one had unlimited cash, there are many "good" things one could afford to buy - a Saville Row suite, a Porsche 911, a LearJet, even a big, fuck-off yacht like Larry Ellison.
I bought a Rolex. I could have paid more, but I couldn't buy better. 21 years on, it still does fine - it is the most perfectly engineered little machine, I can wear it on my wrist, and it even tells the time! Yeah, somewhat indulgent, but so what. A small and pleasing luxury which puts the daily grind in a different perspective. Something to remind me that I will aways be something more than a cog in a machine. If something else floats your boat, then do that thing, and I hope it gives you the same small pleasure every day as my silly little watch gives me. One day, it will be my son's, and given care, his son's or daughter's also, and it will still be as cool as fuck. I'll settle for that.
"young fogeys."?
They sound like douchebag nerds.
I'll also add that it's easy to spot a strait razor poser as he/she will only have one razor, whereas someone who actually shaves with them every day (as I do) will have at least half a dozen in rotation to reduce the honing burden.
No, the guy with multiple razors is just a poser with tons of money.
What a sad, insecure little man.
Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.
"I'll also add that it's easy to spot a strait razor poser as he/she will only have one razor, whereas someone who actually shaves with them every day (as I do) will have at least half a dozen in rotation to reduce the honing burden."
You should be touching up the razor before each use (and during use as necessary) so having multiple razors doesn't reduce the "honing burden". If you can't tell a freshly honed and stropped blade from one a few shaves old I dare say you shouldn't accuse anyone of being a straight razor poser.
... when these day every damn thing that has electrons coursing through it has a gratuitous clock built in.
If you disagree with me on social issues, then it's pretty clear that you are a narrow-minded bigot.
When I look at a timepiece it's rare that I want to know what time it is. Much more often I want to know "how long since" or "how long until" something. An analog display gives me this info much more quickly than digital.
I agree, though I think that personally I am usually looking for what time it is *not* (not time to go home yet, not time for the meeting etc).
It's funny to ask people what time it is immediately after they have looked at their watch.
Most of the time they will have to look at it again, because they don't actually process the time but only notice what time it is not.
That's the ugliest watch I've ever seen. Clearly, you harbor delusions to protect your mind from the realization that you spent $12,000 on a watch with the weight and diameter of a golf ball.
I used to have a self winding Oris watch but it was a bit flakey.
Right now I've got one of these
http://www.amazon.com/Casio-Chronograph-Multiband6-Japanese-Eqw-m600db-1ajf/dp/B004P5NX4G
I got mine for 11500 TWD which wasn't too bad. It looks analog but isn't really - it is radio controlled, solar powered quartz. I can see the time in both Europe and Asia pretty easily which is handy when I call people. You can swap the home and world time zones with a couple of button presses when you get on a plane.
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It's just a matter of what you're used to.
All of the watches I've owned are digital, and as a consequence, I think of time in digital terms. When I see an analogue clock it takes me noticeable effort to convert the angles of the hands into hours:minutes.
Calculating a time difference for me is a matter of adding and subtracting modulo 60, not visualizing hand positions.
I have 5 wristwatches that I regularly wear, only one is digital and that is because it's a dive computer with a dot matrix display. My backup dive watch is good old analog. I remember when digital watches came out in the 70's as a kid. They were black Casio's and a couple other brands, and you had to push a button to light up the red 7-segment LED's to see the time, otherwise they were just a black face. They were sort of cool at the time but not very convenient. I believe there are repro versions of these sold today.
How about an hourglass? Looks analog enough to me. Just not very practical to carry around on your wrist.
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More and more companies and schools are forbidding folks from having their cell phones on most of the day. Frequent flyers might be coming to the same conclusion. That, and even if well-hammered, it isn't really possible to drop ones wristwatch (as opposed to a three-figure talkie box).
And you resent the "macho" label?
What's your instrument, sport? You guys play the standards? I love hearing about other slashdotters who are real musicians.
Not a real musician, but still a slashdotter :-)
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I totally agree with you.
It's to the point when I glance at my watch and 2 seconds after someone asks me the time, I have to look again because I don't know what time it is exactly, just that it's "close to" something.
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No, the guy with multiple razors is just a poser with tons of money.
That's another indication that the person has no idea what they are doing. Most new production razors are very much inferior to razors you find in antique stores that are 50-100 years old. A serious straight razor enthusiast will have bought most of their razors on the cheap and restored them.
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Anyone who's seen Casio's line of digital watches over the years note that much of their line still has analog watch dials as their primary means of displaying time. As such, I think it's more like people who are used to analog dials on watches still wanting them there even though watches now have digital innards.
You should be STROPPING the razor every time you use it. If you have to hone it every time, you are doing something wrong. A properly honed razor will not need to be honed again until it has given months of shaves. If the blade does not maintain it's edge with only stropping to freshen it, across multiple shaves, the blade is inferior steel. You should not need to strop during use either, having to do so indicates an improper blade/skin angle or a blade with inferior steel.
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I have 8 razors I cycle through and although whichever blade I shave with must be stropped each morning, collectively I only have to hone them (with japanese water stones, barber hones, and finally paddle strops pasted with chromium oxide) about twice a year. When I was first starting out I only used one razor and it had to be re-honed after three dozen shaves or so, a little over a month. Even then, the honing is more of a minor blade refresh (start out on a 15000 grit stone and move up) than a proper honing. Once the razor is sharp it is inclined to stay that way unless misused.
Stropping, strictly speaking, isn't honing at all (unless a pasted strop is used, and that's still more akin to deburring than actual honing) it's more a straightening of the edge; the steel along the edge can become wavy after use, this is amplified by poor shaving technique. Myself and several of the others on Straight Razor Place have undertaken many studies of razor's edges via microscopy and there is a general consensus as to what makes a razor sharp and what makes it dull. I'd invite you to head on over to the website and learn and ask questions. From the sound of your experience it sounds as if you've been given one of the metallurgically deficient blades from China, perhaps a Double Arrow or similar, and have erroneously concluded that razors have to be honed every time they are used, which is very much not the case with a correctly tempered and hardened blade (over 60 rockwell) that will hold it's edge.
If you have any further questions or misconceptions please ask, I'm happy to evangelize on the subject
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A computer chip driving a few stepper motors to control the hands. All logic is in the chip; the motors and hands are merely a display device.
Festina makes some models like this, don't know about other manufacturers. The hands can be repurposed - e.g. the second hand can be switched to show the day of the week instead.
I've always preferred a watch with hr, min, sec hands to digitals. Digital watches never look nice to me. They look like a calculator on your arm.
But I am a geek, so here's my current watch
I have an analog watch. Its an accessory, jewelry that men can wear without feeling weird.
I had a digital watch. Then cell phone were invented, and the actual "need" for a watch to tell time evaporated if you are going to carry a cell around with you. Its already digital, and it updates its time automatically. If I need to set my analog watch, I take out my iPhone. I don't really need the watch, I could just take out my iPhone. The time it saves me by looking at my arm, as opposed to removing my iPhone from my pocket is negligible. I wear a analog watch because I think it looks cool. I would be that most men fall into this category.
I like analog watches better than the digital ones. Watches don't stay accurate to the minute anyway, so who needs the digital display telling you the exact second it is when that is different from what your dash in your car is telling you. Analog gives you a feeling of time slowly flowing, rather than the start and stop of the digital time.
One thing I found interesting after I started wearing a binary watch (The One), it seems more analog than digital. With a quick glance I can see the hour and that the minutes are somewhere near 15 for example. If I wanted to study the lights closer I could see it is actually 18. So like looking at the minute hand of an analog watch and seeing it is a little past 15, I see the same thing in the lights. The other interesting point about it is that the easiest numbers to notice are in base 2 amounts. Seeing it is 8:32 is easier to notice that 8:30. Although 30 is pretty easy also: 011110, the middle four light on.
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I used to wear a wristwatch religiously, but haven't for about 20 years now. I wanted to get back into wearing one, but never could stand it for more than a day. I agree with you about pocket watches. I used to carry one because I liked the look and feel of it, but it was totally impractical and got scratched a lot. My smartphone is my watch (and many other things) now.
I have nothing against analog watches, but the industry behind them is trying to make them a status thing. Rebranding them as "timepieces", questioning a person's (typically focused on males) class, tying social status to particular models. This has been done since the dawn of the wrist watch, but spam and mall displays reinforce this, which in turn gets reinforced by the consumers who matter to the young upstart go-getter. (executives and other professionals typically -not- in a tech industry) This is the perpetual motion machine which has kept said antiquated industry afloat.
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A razor blade is only as good as it is sharp.
Absolutely true. Perhaps I should have said, a straight razor gives a better shave WHEN it has been maintained meticulously and your technique is perfect and you are willing to spend 30-45 minutes doing the prep work and shaving.
I fully agree that using a straight is WAY more hassle than dragging a disposable across your face, but if done correctly, I have found it to give a better shave.
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Yeah, those are definitely nicer than the one I have! I still wouldn't call them very 'ladylike', though...
I'm not sure why it seems to be such a challenge to wrap a nice gold or silver bezel around a digital display, then put a fancy metal strap on it, something like this. I know they make the displays small enough, since I've seen kids and tweenie 'jelly' digital watches smaller than that...and the control buttons could be easily recessed, or capacitive touch, to preserve the overall look...
Bah. It's just one of my pet peeves. Maybe I should design and sell these, then I'd get the watch I want! ;)
"I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
Utility vs beauty alas remains a compromise.
True that, at least for watches. They're starting to get the idea with other technology, though, as evident by the rise of the iDevices and competing products. People want their technology to be more portable, to do more, and to look good while doing it...I just wonder why this has not seriously been applied to wristwatches, other than those uber-geek PDA-on-your-wrist things that take up half your forearm and have so many buttons they put a 747 to shame...
That Rosendahl watch you linked to does look cool, though. Much better than mine!
"I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
That's one ugly watch, but it's really hard to find a nice looking digital watch even for men IMHO. Nixon makes some attractive watches and so do Diesel. They tend to skew to style over features though, "back to basics" is the thing now in digital watches.
Yeah. I've seriously scanned through the local mens digital watch selections, trying to find something that doesn't actually inhibit the motion of my wrist when I try to wear it...no go. I'm not sure why, but it seems the style for all mens watches these days, even the analog versions, is to go as big / clunky as possible! The ones you linked to don't seem too bad, but on a woman's wrist, unfortunately, they tend to look like a big flashy manacle, and usually don't even close tightly enough to keep them from flopping around. :(
*sigh* the quest continues...
"I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
your $5 Casio keeps better time
This is a misconception. Your $5 Casio will be off by a tiny fraction; e.g. 1/2 a second per day. But, it will *always* be off by the same amount, so that the error will accumulate - it will be ~3 minutes off after a year.
An analog/mechanical watch such as a Speedmaster - particularly those that are "Certified Chronometers", which are individually tested to a fairly tough standard - will drift. In hot weather they will tend to gain time, in colder weather they will tend to lose (the lubricant changes viscosity with temperature). Time will also vary depending on how often they are worn, and how active the wearer is, and how often and how much they are wound (the more wound they are, the faster they run - only by a microscopic amount, but it is measurable). So, a quality mechanical watch may vary forward and backward by more in a single day than the cheap Casio - but the errors will very often cancel themselves, so that after a year, the Omega may well keep much better time.
If you think more carefully about this, what this tells you is that the quartz watch is actually a better tool for measuring time accurately. Why? Because if its rate error is truly consistent, it can be measured and then used to correct the reading.
This method is how the old mechanical marine chronometers in ships were used to determine longitude. These clocks were designed to eliminate the rate inconsistencies you mention. Each chronometer was calibrated, set, and tested to ensure that the rate error was small and consistent, and then marked with its difference from GMT at testing date and measured rate offset. The users of the clock kept a log of the accumulated daily errors and used this to correct the clock's readings.
The point is that "keeping correct time" is not the same thing in all circumstances; change the criterion, and the quartz clock is more accurate than the mechanical one, precisely because its rate is more constant.
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Nice mechanical watch are a work of art, I have a 17 jewels Waltam watch from 1930 and each gears are decorated with spirographic looking pattern, she is beautiful.
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Maybe it's hearkening back to my teen years in the Cold War, but I cheerfully note that the analog watch on my wrist is self-winding, shockproof/resistent, supplemented by stem winding and therefore I will (until it breaks) know the time/date regardless of power source.
And, if I have a rough idea where the sun is, I'll also know which way north is, forever.
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show me time in 24-hour format, show me the month/day/year, show me time in different time zones, allow me to set multiple alarms or chime on the hour or converts to a stopwatch if I ever need it (okay, I rarely use that, but it's handy when I do need it)...what's the benefit to analog watches again?
Thing is.. I can program a digital watch to do all that for me. I can design the silicon to do all that for me. It's fairly trivial.
Now, designing a mechanical clockwork device that can do all that? Inventing the new materials needed to make it? Creating the parts and using them to build the finished item?
There's a reason such watches cost 5-6 digit sums, and it's not because they're made of gold.
I have a taste in watches that seriously outclasses my salary, and it's got fuck all to do with chips of diamond.
Everyone, please note that "analog" should usually only be used to refer to an electronic device containing analog electronics.
Bullshit. Most watches (even now) have analogue displays. Whether that display is powered by digital, mechanical or analogue electronic means is irrelevant.
show me time in 24-hour format, show me the month/day/year, show me time in different time zones, allow me to set multiple alarms or chime on the hour or converts to a stopwatch if I ever need it (okay, I rarely use that, but it's handy when I do need it)...what's the benefit to analog watches again?
Thing is.. I can program a digital watch to do all that for me. I can design the silicon to do all that for me. It's fairly trivial.
Er, that was kinda my point. There's no comparison between digital and analog as far as features and convenience is concerned...digital for the win, every time. So why, in this day and age of people shopping for their tech toys on the basis of looks as much as convenience/features, are they all still so bleeding ugly?
Yes, there are a few designers that are trying to make 'stylish' digital wristwatches (most are still clunky and boxy looking, IMHO), but nobody seems to be trying to make them prettier, especially ladies watches. It frustrates me to see racks and racks of nice, dainty ladies dress watches, with fancy metal bands and lovely bezel surrounds...only to see that not one of them is digital. WTF? It's like some form of analog snobbery, since LCD has a certain look and feel, we're not even going to try dressing it up...
"I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
You can get innovative, stylish and expensive digital watches. They aren't necessarily bad, but you missed my main point: They aren't mechanical clockwork.
That carries an engineering challenge way beyond the current state of electronics, which no amount of gold plating can mimic. The Urwerk UR-202 isn't worth as much as my house (even though that's what it costs) but the engineering that went into it and the difficulty of manufacturing and constructing it means they couldn't sell it at a profit for less than the cost of a nice car. Making a quartz movement with that display mechanism wouldn't be trivial either, but doing it completely mechanically, with that level of accuracy has an engineering elegance that justifies a significant price premium over any digital or electronic watch.
Hmmm...did I mention that one of the things I love about digital watches is the ease of use? ;)
Yes, that Urwerk watch is definitely intriguing in looks, and I do find it interesting to read about the engineering challenges in generating such a complicated mechanism using purely mechanical engineering, no electronics here...but it a) doesn't even provide half the features available to even a $1.50 digital watch from the Dollar Store, and b) isn't very intuitive to read (I guess until you get used to it). Like binary clocks, it's more of a conversation piece than any sort of improvement in actual function...although I will give it points for innovative design. It definitely does represent elegance in engineering, as you said. The drawing set for this watch would sure be something to see!
It begs the question, though: why aren't people designing / paying top dollar for rotary-dial or steam-powered cellphones? Because the electronic versions do the job ever so much better! (sorry, I'm an EE, so I guess my natural bias is showing a bit...;) I can appreciate the design challenges and complexities in creating a full-featured analog watch, but to my mind the right tool for the wristwatch job is digital*. Digital watches can already provide all the functions that mechanical can, plus features that no amount of mechanical engineering could ever squeeze in. It's just too bad that the design community hasn't worked as hard on making them pretty as they have on making them useful, long-lived and practically indestructible...
*Of course, this posits a world where electricity, and specifically watch batteries, are available. In a post-apocalyptic world, I concede, mechanical wristwatches would win out over digital...eventually. As long as people remembered to wind them.
"I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
Well, as mentioned elsewhere on this discussion, I own three solar powered quartz movement watches, two of which have both an analogue and digital readout. All three watches are more accurate than my mechanical one, and yet - despite my general techno-lust - none of them are quite as beautiful and elegant.
On my wrist, one of them actually looks just as nice as the mechanical watch that cost (literally) ten times as much, uses atomic clock radio signals to stay accurate and can draw enough power from the sun even in a nuclear winter, so it should be reasonably functional. It just doesn't quite inspire me in the same manner as precision clockwork.
For pure function, my mobile phone does everything my watches can, lots more besides, and is generally within a few feet of me at all times. It's an altogether more impressive beast, and I'd get distressed with one I had to wind up. So the watch is a vanity item, intended to demonstrate visual elegance while providing internal joy that something so archaic and functionally outclassed has been created nonetheless.
I guess it's an emotional thing, but I'm not an EE :)
why aren't people designing / paying top dollar for rotary-dial or steam-powered cellphones
http://rotarymechanical.tumblr.com/
I love the looks, but don't think it'll have sufficient specifications to replace my current phone..