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Peter Adekeye Freed, Judge Outraged At Cisco's Involvement
puppetman writes "Ars Technica has an article relating the recent release of Peter Adekeye, a former Cisco employee who was arrested in Canada on trumped-up charges that appear to have been fabricated by Cisco. Slashdot covered the story back in April, 2011, during which time Mr Adekeye was still being detained. In the ruling, the judge squashed the US extradition request, rebuked both the Canadian and American authorities for 'an appalling abuse of process,' and goes as far as to say that the criminal proceeding was launched on behalf of Cisco, to mirror the civil proceedings that Mr Adekeye had launched against the powerful Cisco." The full judgement (PDF) is quite readable and damning.
Great. It's "damning". Yay.
Will we see any penalties for Cisco breaking the law?
*crickets*
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there are still actual judges on this planet after all .....
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tell it to businesses, but its not likely to happen
id like to see the US and Canada fine them or whatever the hell is appropriate for bullshitting two national governments in order to handle your private affairs for you.
By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. -- George Carlin
First, I heard about the layoffs
Then I overheard a conversation about them being clipped at both ends of the stick by stiff competition; Juniper on the high end and some Chinese company whose name I forgot on the low end
And now this
Perhaps Netflix, whose price hikes were the subject of another Slashdot story; about three stories ago; could be in a position to buy Cisco out and then use them as their in-house infrastructure provider?
Most Respectfully Yours Mark Allyn Bellingham, Washington
Hey, Peter -- if you get sick of Switzerland, think about moving to Canada. I'd be happy to have you as my neighbour.
Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
years from now, maybe 10, maybe 20, there will be other cases like this.
the defense attorneys will go "Look, what the courts already ruled in 2011. Look what the judge said."
Judges in the US often rely heavily on precedent, and the future judge will go "oh. . . wow. that judge was pissed. dismissed with prejudice!"
> bullshitting two national governments in order to handle your private affairs for you.
There was no bullshitting. The governments are only too happy to do as they are told,
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BOYCOTT Cisco
You know, there are other reasons as well, and not just an overpriced product.
The one that comes to my mind first is the prevalence of Cisco hardware in many of the world's most oppressive regimes "great firewalls".
Of course there are many whores in the high-tech world, not just Cisco...
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
This is just another sad statement showing the "End of America" and the dream it was, under Bush/Cheney civil liberties became secondary and Obama/Biden has done nothing to restore justice.
If we in the US isn't careful we'll start blaming our countries problems on the poor/sick/gay, which is only one step away from rounding up groups and shipping them off in rail cars.
The same company that's all but leading the charge to lower the corporate tax rate in the US, while simultaneously shipping jobs overseas?
Whatever for?
Thank God for Canada. This case illustrates exactly why the trend internationally to reduce the role of the courts in extradition to mere rubber stamping is so dangerous (for eg, the EAW and the removal of the need for a prima facie case to be made to the responding court in new extradition treaties).
Bureaucrats have long viewed the need for anything other than a simple request for extradition to be produced to the other country as an annoying inconvenience and, arguing that extradition is merely an 'administrative' and not a criminal procedure, have secured changes in the law in some countries. But how can anything resulting in the removal of someone's freedom *not* be a criminal procedure? Were it not for the fact that some civil law states in Europe absolutely refuse to hand over their own citizens to any other State (I suppose with the exception of within the EU under the EAW), we would rapidly be heading towards a world where any government hands over any person to any other government on flimsy grounds. This is the case already between certain countries.
Wow, and to think I had lost faith in the Canadian extradition process.
Cisco - you can buy better, but you can't pay more.
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In these sorts of cases, where the defendant (Cisco in this case) has to resort to character bashing to salvage their legal position, someone will end up getting egg on their face for playing the part of the thug. In many cases, this ends up being US law enforcement or the justice department. But here, it appears that with the assistance of our INS, they managed to move this onto Canadian soil. And they made the RCMP look like the heavy.
Thankfully, the judge saw through this and threw out the extradition request. And it appears that Adekeye has won his civil case. But let this be a lesson for other foreign jurisdictions. The US is always looking for some dumbshit to do their bidding and take the fall. Better to consider this before even signing the treaty, let alone rubber stamping the paperwork.
Have gnu, will travel.
Corporations are not individuals, do not behave like them, and, most importantly, are not governed like them. Corporations can get away with things that would send away individuals permanently. This case is mice nuts compare to other corporate actions (e.g. News Corp.) and will not even be a footnote once corporations are automated. We are still in the early stages, but software that manages schedules, meetings, agendas, and corporate policies will eventually create a corporate consciousness that will be self preserving. Imagine you could create a new being that is not governed by the same rules as humans. Frankenstein was a novice by comparison.
Its a company, what do you expect them to do? Ask for higher taxes? Ask for more job regulations?
linuxrocks points out that Canadian courts will look at this precedent, even if American's don't.
however the DOJ has to deal with courts in other countries. especially in extradition cases, of course.
cases like this are embarassements. when other countries completely trash our justice system, it looks bad, it makes the US look bad, and it makes the president look bad. this is not some crazy anti-american judge in a dictatorship, this is an ordinary canadian judge, whose justice system largely derives from the same source (english common law) as ours does.
its not just about the precedent in US law... the DOJ has to look at what a Canadian court is likely to do, before it orders extradition. So the US prosecutors will be looking at the history of Canadian law, and deciding whether or not they have a chance of extraditing someone, before they spend all of the time and money, and risk embarassing losses, to actually try to do it.
Does anybody know the FBI stance on this? Despite some shady things done in the War on Drugs front, the FBI is actually pretty good about investigating corruption of even the very highest political elite.
And there's the rub. "They're a company, so, of course they're just a big sociopath" isn't really an excuse, is it?
I know that I, and I hope that everyone else on this board, will never buy a Cisco product again.
EVER.
In fact, I will go out of my way to make sure that all of my friends in the tech industry NEVER EVER BUY their stuff AGAIN.
And I know a lot of folks who buy a lot of network equipment.
Cisco, you are evil with a capital E.
"There are laws that enslave men, and laws that set them free. " - Sean Connery as King Arthur
Peter needs to submit a complaint to the California bar, because the corporate counsel that signed off on these actions need to be disbarred for ethical malfeasance.
Actually, they need to be in jail, but disbarred is probably the best that can be done.
"There are laws that enslave men, and laws that set them free. " - Sean Connery as King Arthur
Can anyone initiate a complaint? Cisco is in California, so that seems to be the logical place to see if this can be done. Any lawyers out there who have a clue about this?
Why is Snark Required?
> The full judgement (PDF) is quite readable and damning.
Yes, it is well written, and readable. Justice McKinnon deserves applause for clarity, and common sense.
Quite a text for young lawyers on both sides of the 49th parallel.
The coverage in the "lower 48" seemed a bit thin, though... until now. :-)
What a pity that an honest businessman and his family have suffered over a year of separation and distress; for what? ...the Justice's point!
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the CFAA (18 USC 1030) was the law they attempted to use against Adekeye
this law is seriously flawed and possibly unconstitutional.
Lori Drew, Thomas Drake, Peter Adekeye, George Hotz, all of them allegedly violated it. What kind of law outlaws such a broad range of things?
Corporate Death Penalty
Since the US treats corporations as individuals this is not a bad idea and has the huge benefit that nobody actually dies. Just shut the corporation down, all property is confiscated and sold to recompense the victims and any excess donated to relevant charities and all IP is released the to public domain (to repay damage to society the company caused). Executives get nothing - all pay, bonues, pensions etc cancelled (and they may be liable for further criminal charges/penalties if warranted) and most importantly even the shareholders get nothing so that they are very strongly motivated to not turn a blind eye if they suspect something is rotten.
Of course we will never see anything like that actually happen because the corporations are far too powerful but wouldn't that be an amazing deterrent to corporate misbehaviour!
http://cantbeunseen.com/what-has-been-seen/17323-picture
And George Carlin reminded us again not so long ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q
Well, the NotW was killed and before the corpse was even cold all the bleeding hearts on the right and left were crying about the poor innocent victims of it all.
The newspapers will call for thougher measures against drunk driving to save the children but when the a drunk driving mother is sentenced to jail those same newspapers cry out about her poor children.
The world has become controlled by bleeding hearts and nimby drones to the point nothing can get done anymore.
Simple test, EVERYONE who has expressed outrage at this has committed themselves to never by CISCO again. Wanna bet nobody who sayed Cisco should pay is willing to make them pay?
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Linksys being a brand much more likely to be found in your average home, for those who want to protest with their wallets - an act which I highly encourage in this case.
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From paragraph 10 of the ruling: "This seems to be the start of a series of misadventures that could only be the subject of a Joseph Heller novel."
It never a good thing to be the subject of a judge's humor.
Go not unto/. for advice, for you will be told both yea and nay (but have nothing to do with the question)
he's a black foreigner, so it doesn't matter.
the judge squashed the US extradition request,
Extradition requests are frequently quashed, seldom squashed.
~Loyal
I aim to misbehave.
Er, not wanting higher taxes doesnt make you a sociopath. For various reasons, _I_ dont much want the government taking even more of my money; that hardly makes me a sociopath.
To be fair the Canadian system is pretty messed up as well. However every now and again one witnesses a small ray of hope that not all is lost.
That IS outrageous and I'm going to write my congressman about this. That is not nearly enough boxcars with shackles for the US populace, and I am going to ask him to sponsor legislation requiring FEMA to buy substantially more boxcars with shackles.
Would probably be more beneficial than Church and State at this point. The corporations and their involvement in government affairs are the sole reason for the collapse on the US economy, yet when it collapsed we gave those same financial institutions bailout money in which case they paid all of their big wigs millions in bonuses. At the same time they have taken none of the blame and taken little if any of the after effects. Instead that is felt by the people, while the government is trillions in debt. A debt it added to when it gave of 16 trillion dollars in "secret" bailouts that were not even brought to light until this week after an investigation in to the federal reserve. It is sad that what was once the most powerful government in the world is now a mere puppet.
Just because you are wrong and I called you out on it doesn't mean I am a Troll.
I posted this because the /. population has such power over hardware purchasing decisions. This was a travesty. I am going to write my Member of Parliament to ask that a committee be set up to investigate, and possibly lay charges.
This is how the corporations are going to take over the world, because nobody takes action to stop them. The only possible solution for this is to dismantle CISCO, no matter the consecuences, youll say, oh but what about peoples jobs. well, it looks like if you work at cisco your job isnt worth much to begin with, this is about the long run, if measures are not taken to ensure that companies cannot abuse the power they already have, then there will come a point where there is no stopping them.
I'm always right, except when i'm not.
The people who hacked phones broke laws and will be prosecuted. Anyone who the government can prove was complicit will be prosecuted. And all they did was invade the privacy of some people.
Cisco misused two criminal justice systems to try to ruin a guy's life and pervert justice in the US civil courts. The corporation, and its officers and attorneys individually, will see no criminal penalties whatsoever. The complicit government officials will also face no criminal penalties.
In case anyone is wondering, and didn't want to have to read that article, what these morons are talking about are actually automobile carrying train cars. The 'shackles' are just the stupid rings down the side used to strap in the cars.
These train cars, which have existed for decades, have now have started getting stacked in unused sidings by the dozens as the economy has taken a turn for the worse and less new cars are made and shipped.(1)
And the people reporting these 'death cars', are, of course, complete idiots, and have been so for decades. If we're talking about suspicious things, I'm finding that a little suspicious. They clearly would be unable to feed themselves, and, yet, somehow, manage to still be alive.
1) The real fun in that article comes from people who insist that cars are too wide to be carried by train. Uh, what? Cars have always been carried on trains, you utter idiots. Heck, cars fit in standard shipping containers, which are eight feet wide, while cars tend to be six feet wide. (Although using standard shipping containers is impossible, unless you want the person who drives it into the container to ride inside them, as they can't open the car doors enough to exit it. The specialized car carriers have some trick, I think they put the car in neutral and use the 'shackles' to winch it inside, and then strap it in place.)
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
I wonder if the US will extradite the corrupt Justice Department officials when Canada asks for them to be extradited?
Doing that punishes far more innocent people ... than it does guilty.
That is not necessarily true. You also have to take into account the innocent people that are will be affected if you do not remove toxic corporations from society. In addition many of the "innocent" people may be innocent in that they, themselves, did nothing wrong but it is hard to see how some of these large corporations get away with such appalling behaviour without others knowing, or at least suspecting, what is going on.
At the moment shareholders and employees have little to benefit by pointing out suspect behaviour and a lot to lose if they do: their profits and/or jobs are potentially on the line. However if the result of not speaking out is a potential corporate death sentence then it makes the consequence of staying silent just as bad, if not worse.
Perhaps someone in California ought to file a complaint with the state Bar Association about the statements Richard C Cheng of the US Attorney's office in San Diego made. From to the decision: ...
Quoting the Cheng submission: [...] The United States denied each and every
The judge: This allegation is simply not true.
[snip]
Again, this is simply not true.
[snip]
This statement was completely untrue.
From the California Bar Rules of Professional Conduct (Section 5-200):
In presenting a matter to a tribunal, a member:
[snip]
(B) Shall not seek to mislead the judge, judicial officer, or jury by an artifice or false statement of fact or law;
Looks pretty straightforward to me. It wasn't a US court, but it clearly was a "tribunal" and one that he was communicating with in his official capacity as a lawyer and as Assistant US Attorney.
He should be fired from the US Attorney's office at the very least, if not disbarred.
An argument here is that the officials working with Cisco may have been similarly uninformed or misled by statements from Cisco attorneys. I would hope that is the case.
I was in a slightly similar situation with a small start-up company, where some detective from Los Angeles was trying to act on behalf of one of our "customers" (they turned out to be a competitor) and made some inquiries about our company from the local police department and had even supposedly filed an extradition request (we were in another state) for an arrest of our company president. Unfortunately for this poor detective, our CEO was a former police officer who knew the local police department real well and had lived in the area his whole life, so not only did that extradition request backfire, but it nearly got that detective arrested instead. The local PD asked a quick question as to what was up, and in about 30 seconds they dropped the matter entirely with a question of what to do next against the idiot. The CEO basically said to drop the matter, which is what happened.
Yeah, this is standard par for the course when working with certain people who have no moral compass and will do anything to get a buck or win. As it appears that the prosecutor involved had been working with Cisco on other matters, perhaps he was getting just a little bit too friendly with the Cisco staff and treated what was a questionable request more as a routine incident and something reasonable. He may be "on the take" to Cisco or it could be otherwise innocent on his part. Regardless, the Cisco legal office knew full well what was going on and they bear culpability, at least if what I read in that legal brief is factually correct.
I find it offensive that this guy could form a company (Multiven), employ himself, and then file for an H-1B visa for himself. That is not supposed to be allowed under the enabling law. It appears to me that ICE caught on to this, and when they investigated Multiven, they found that he was in fact sponsoring himself -- which was the reason that all of his visas were revoked. That being said -- there is no doubt that Cisco is acting like a punk in this case -- somehow they found a useful idiot to perform for them, and they trumped up a bunch of civil charges.