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Happy System Administrator Appreciation Day

alphadogg writes "It's the last Friday in July. Have you hugged your system administrators today? Bought a cake? Picked up the tab for lunch? There's still time to show your thanks for the unsung heroes who keep corporate desktops, servers and networks running. Today is System Administrator Appreciation Day, an annual event thought up by IT pro Ted Kekatos. A company picnic and an old HP advertisement sparked the idea for the first SysAdmin Day, now in its 12th year."

220 comments

  1. Happy Self Esteem Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I appreciate myself!

    1. Re:Happy Self Esteem Day by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Have a day of YouTube, on us! Make sure to send funny links you find out to everybody!

      Sincerly,
      Management.

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    2. Re:Happy Self Esteem Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you hugged your system administrators today?

      Really, have you smelled our sys admin?

  2. Happy System Administrator Day by cosm · · Score: 2

    The servers are down.

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    1. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by BlueMikey · · Score: 2

      I would appreciate it if my company fired the current sysadmins and hired someone competent.

    2. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, actually I do have a server down right now. :)

    3. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I was fucking in last night at 00:15 when we lost power. And I was here until 03:30 when power had been back on for an hour and I brought the servers up in their proper order. I then slept in a hotel room on my own dime, because I was back in at 07:20 today.

      I'll work until 17:30 today. We've had so many storms in the area that I have gotten 7 hours or less sleep every night for the past two weeks. This means I give up my hobbies on the weekend, as I am too fucking tired to compete safely.

      But does anyone give a rats ass about this? No. They are pissed off that I missed the first 20 minutes of a company wide meeting because I was monitoring circuits that had wet Smartjacks in order to make sure that the branches stay up.

      Fuck system admin day. I'm going back to school.

    4. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      :(

    5. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it not balanced by days where there is very little to do?

    6. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays...

    7. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunatly I work in a ISP/Corp-consulting firm. There is always some fire to put out or some project that's had it's deadline moved up.

    8. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by tverbeek · · Score: 2

      My mother told me that good servers don't go down.

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    9. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why don't you leave that shit hole and work some place that has UPS and generators, and doesn't have a leaking roof?

    10. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I've deleted your e-mail invitation to the picnic. And your home drive. And the backups. Still working on your Google accounts.

      Love,
      Your Incompetent SysAdmin

    11. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      poor baby, sounds like every day of my life since i've started a family... i haven't had a good night's sleep in 3 years! :-b

    12. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      Might I suggest nursing school? The hours are often weird, but that's not always bad (e.g. three 12-hour days on, four days off). And demand will only go up, no matter how fixed-up or fucked-up the health care system gets. Not a great choice if you can't handle body fluids or you got into tech because you hate dealing with people, but for some people it's the perfect career if they need to get out of one they hate.

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    13. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by dasherjan · · Score: 1

      hehe

    14. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by archen · · Score: 1

      That's one of the things that often sucks most about IT: You often don't get to choose the server, software or support, but you get stuck fixing it all the time. Oh, and you still get blamed for how much it sucks.

    15. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No matter how many failed disks you have to swap or backups you have to restore, at least at 3am your servers aren't screaming at you until you clean up their feces and feed them.

    16. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      on Friday?

    17. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't be the only sysadmin here who reads this and says, "Funny, that's 10 times better than I have it."

    18. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by geekoid · · Score: 2

      why would he want a cut in pay and worse hours?

      Plus, who wants a nurse as whiny as he is?

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    19. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I've deleted your e-mail invitation to the picnic. And your home drive. And the backups. Still working on your Google accounts.

      Ah ha! Proof you're not the admin he's talking about. Had you been the administrator, you wouldn't know how to do those things. Perhaps you have a paranoid chip on your shoulder and should be fired too.

      Your Incompetent SysAdmin

      "Your paranoid, delusional, malicious, SysAdmin who wasn't being discussed."

      There, fixed that for you.

    20. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by new2_60605 · · Score: 0

      @ archen - TRUE STORY ! I always find it amazing they hire engineers to design these systems and ref./cold rooms to do X Y and Z but they NEVER ONCE consider maintenance or repair. I once worked at a place where they had the equipment installed before the inside of the building even finished construction so once it was all done, they had to knock down a wall and shut down 100+ servers to get to the encapsulated equipment (Cooliing Unit) when repairs were needed. You should ALWAYS consider the opinion of the 'repair guy' and the costs of repairs or service. For example, I am a huge fan of open source, but it rarely comes with enterprise level support, most cases the best you can do is a a forum or IRC Channel (try getting the standard office drone to understand that = brain bleeding). So Yes you will save 1000's on licensing costs (THANKS BSA!), but you will spend 40K a year on an IT guy to provide support.

    21. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Synerg1y · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All your doing is making it worse for you and your co-workers. My servers go down at 1 am and i'm not working on them thus its not my fault? I wake up shower, shave, and then come in to work, bring up the servers and boom, god status. I'm not going to ever do work for people I don't care about if they won't appreciate it. The best way I can put it is a job's a job, not your life, if it's your life, you better be rich. If they fire you for not working at 1 am in the morning, you really don't want to work at a place like that.

      On that note, once you do it a few times ( get up at 1 am to bring stuff up) that becomes the expectation of ignorant suites and your stuck.

      Welcome to corporate politics young padawan, IT can play too.

    22. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Might I suggest nursing school? ...

      And after you get tired of wiping (patient's) and kissing (doctor's) butts, your background as a nurse will automagically qualify you to be an IT Analyst, Director, or even CIO. Then when the long hours, short staff, and lack of budget money (or just the pesky "technical" nature of IT) start to wear you down you can just jump back into a nursing job, especially a few weeks before the big go-live (you know - the one that requires the around-the-clock IT staffing, you gotta dodge that bullet!). After things stabilize feel free to rejoin IT - they'll always take you back because you have "clinical perspective" that professional IT staff will never have.

      It's win win!

    23. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Your IP addresses have been logged. Please remain seated until the unmarked van arrives to ferry you to the nearest Assessment Center"
      -- Your Friendly Government System Administrators

    24. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "why would he want a cut in pay and worse hours?"

      Because he hates his job and is miserable. Money isn't happiness, and if you're already putting in 12-hour days, having four-day weekends is not "worse hours".

      "Plus, who wants a nurse as whiny as he is?"

      My employer hires lots of them. Trust me: I'm the person they call for tech support. A nurse who knows how to change his/her own password and can figure out how to reboot a computer without instructions would be a godsend. Seriously: a licensed nurse who knows technology will stand out in the applicant pool, because hospitals need them desperately with the move to Electronic Medical Records.

    25. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by MrSenile · · Score: 2

      Sadly, you can only do the 8-5 shift and deal with it situation on corporate entities that don't require 24/7 uptime.

      And you can only play this type of hard-ball if your direct IT management are in your corner.

      Where I work, that's not the case. Their mantra is 'We do it because we're the ones who care the most'. My thoughts is I really don't give a rats ass when someone else should be responsible for it, and we're being turned into martyrs, but no one listens to me.
      Ownership on this company. The last person who touches it owns it. We now 'own' most of the company, applications, databases, networking... see the problem? Sure, responsibility is nice, but not when the hours and responsibility grow, but not the head count.

      And who in their right mind wants to 'own' Tibco and SAP?

      So, anyone have a good decent job for a Lead System Architect on a nice 8-5 job? :)

    26. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Xeleema · · Score: 1

      at 3am your servers aren't screaming at you until you clean up their feces and feed them.
      Sounds like someone's shop doesn't use Windows...

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      "When I am king, you will be first against the wall..."
    27. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Xeleema · · Score: 1

      you will save 1000's on licensing costs (THANKS BSA!), but you will spend 40K a year on an IT guy to provide support

      Odds are good you're sporting an IT guy's salary already. Just slip "software support" into his job description and don't tell him till the annual Performance Review!

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      "When I am king, you will be first against the wall..."
    28. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by cforciea · · Score: 1

      For most sysadmins, those days don't exist. See, the people up the line never like to see people sitting around with nothing to do. So rather than budget time such that your sysadmins with variable workloads try to average out to 40-45 hours a week, people like to make sure on weeks where everything is running smoothly, we hit 40 hours so they are never paying us to "just sit there" (although usually "just sitting there" includes some portion of our pro-active behind the scenes maintenance, as well). Then when the excrement hits the spinning implement near the ceiling, we get work until 4am getting everything back online and then come back to work bright and early the next day because we still have work waiting for us.

      There is a decent chance that the sysadmin playing World of Warcraft on his work computer is actually on his lunch break and is tired of leaving for lunch and getting a panicked phone call right after he orders his food. Or he could be the dead weight in his department that is causing his colleagues to be even more miserable, only he is clever enough at putting on a show for his non-technical goon of a manager (and was probably got hired in the first place because he knows the VP of somethingorother) that he can avoid having the axe come down on his head. The ones that are actually keeping your company running very rarely sitting around doing nothing.

    29. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The parents lament is what I saw when I was a sysadmin of a 911 call center. It was always 'hyper critical' that everything keep running. But as I was part of a larger organization within the city, I was always confronted with 'well we don't have callouts on weekends or after hours: it can wait till the next day, no biggie'. I was always pressed with maintaining things 24/7 and they never had any hesitation calling at 2:45 AM for even minor problems, (I even got: "oh, it just fixed itself" ....at 2:45 AM!!!). It was forever a case of "you are on 24/7, but the people who are in charge of systems you rely on aren't on 24/7, so if things cock up, suck it up!" I rarely could get paid for disaster overtime. Budgets are tight, and hard disks only last 10 years before they start to die, yet any server outage 'makes a black mark on your performance record'. I don't work for them anymore, I work for myself now. You can't get Shakespeare out of an idiot, and you can't get rational thoughts out of business administrators and bean counters who don't understand basic machinery, let alone computers. They are prone to repeat mistakes over and over (and from what I've heard, they have over and over). But they will hire legal counsel to fend off lawsuits rather than relinquishing power and letting someone with enough smarts to do the job be in charge. Brainless Fucks!

    30. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might I suggest a company that values its employees instead/as well.

    31. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same problem happens daily on a smaller scale with the scourge known as "cable management". Managers who want system racks to look neat and tidy spend money on gear to hide all the cables, and even semi-permanently attach them to the walls and racks. Then some poor tech needs to fix or change something in the cabling, and the job takes 10 times as long because he can't see, touch, move, or replace the cables.

    32. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, I am the Incompetent SysAdmin and I was fired. The Even More Incompetent SysAdmin that replaced me never revoked my credentials.

    33. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Xeleema · · Score: 2

      Money isn't happiness
      I agree. Money can be used to purchase goods and services, from the likes of...say...a few talented, well-endowed ladies at your local gentlemen's club.
      Two hours in the back-room with a few girls that don't know how to use a mouse and couldn't eject a DVD out of a drive without a remote can be quite relaxing.
      Yeah baby!! Pull my token rings when you resync that array!! Just like that! DO IT!

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      "When I am king, you will be first against the wall..."
    34. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by ginbot462 · · Score: 1

      For system administrators, everday is monday.

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    35. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by black+soap · · Score: 2

      Actually, right now there is a glut of nurses, and recent nursing grads are having trouble finding work. With the economy down, existing nurses are working more hours, going from part time to full-time, and delaying retirements (often because a spouse is getting less work). According to a news story I heard, lots of people out of work means lots of people without health insurance, so planned medical procedures are down - (yeah American healthcare - put it off until it is an emergency) - so hospitals are getting less business, and generally the first cuts at hospitals are to nursing staff. That, combined with the recent aggressive expansion of nursing programs means that many of the recent nursing grads are going unemployed, when a few years ago that was unthinkable.

    36. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by slartibartfastatp · · Score: 1

      We've had so many storms in the area that I have gotten 7 hours or less sleep every night for the past two weeks.

      You don't have any kids, do you? I dream about having 7h sleep. Someday maybe... =)

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    37. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's OK, we would appreciate it if they fired the current users and hired someone competent.

    38. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your fault for going into IT ...

    39. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by surferx0 · · Score: 1

      And demand will only go up, no matter how fixed-up or fucked-up the health care system gets.

      Is that what your guidance counselor told you? Because it's a total lie. Nursing schools are churning out many more nurses than there are jobs for. My singificant other and most of her family are nurses or nursing school graduates and many of them are either unemployed or have had to look for work in completely unrelated industries. Hospitals are hurting as well in this economy. Nursing staff gets cut like in any other industry, meaning the poor suckers who managed to keep their jobs are now left to deal with double to triple the workload.

      This little IT sob story has nothing on the demanding, gruesome, and unappreciated duties nurse is expected to perform on a daily basis. So the manager gave him a stern talking to for being 20 minutes late to a meeting? Try working in a hospital when staffing levels are as low as they are now, with hundreds of patients in unstable emotional states and physical pain taking out their aggressions on the nurses because their needs aren't being attended to as quickly as they desire.

      Seriously, staying up late every once in awhile and bringing a server back online is a freaking vacation compared to what you'd have to deal with every single shift as a nurse. To suggest going to nursing school to "escape" anything, most especially a fairly low key IT job, is completely ridiculous. Go to nursing school because you are interested in health, the human body, and caring for others. Do not fool yourself into believing it is an escape in any way, shape, or form.

    40. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by geekoid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Money IS happiness. Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to either get money from you, or trying to feel good about their current financial predicament.

      It sin't the only thing that bring happiness, but to say it doesn't is pretty delusional.

      If he is unhappy about his hours why would he be happy working the hours elsewhere?

      "Seriously: a licensed nurse who knows technology will stand out in the applicant pool, because hospitals need them desperately with the move to Electronic Medical Records."

      I know. I know several IT people who went into nursing, and I was in IT in the medical industry. Nursing in no way solves what THIS poster is talking about.

      I will point out, that it may be a mistake for have IT experienced nurses stand out in the application pool. From what I here they end up getting pulled into all kinds of computer issues instead of doing nursing because calling IT is a pain in the ass. Hire nurse to nurse, hire IT guys to deliver high quality IT services for the nurse.

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    41. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by geekoid · · Score: 1

      yeah, but in the next 20 years demand is going to sky rocket because of the boomers. After which it will collapse, just like every industry that did after boomers past there prime buying age.

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    42. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Actually, look at the boomer generation and what age they are going into. THAT is why there will be more demand.

      However, if you don't want grueling, high pressure, exhausting job, then don't go into nursing.

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    43. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by geekoid · · Score: 1

      wrong. You absolutely can do the 8 hour shift thing in a 24/7 environment.

      And you play that kind of hardball. Maybe you win, maybe not. Not trying doesn't fix the problem for you.

      I WANT to own SAP. After a year I could write my own ticket at any other company.

      The problem is you do not know how to properly convey the problem, and you don't know how to properly maneuver to get more staff.

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    44. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by jcoy42 · · Score: 1

      It's not the roof that leaks, it's the air conditioner. AND IT'S FINE. That's what the garbage can is for.

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    45. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by denobug · · Score: 1

      Okay you got some point. But I can tell you from experience cable management is not as trivial as you describe. I have personally seen "rats nests" made out of unorganized cables and at the end of the day you can't do jack with all the cables. Any time a cable is in question they are being replaced by another cable, adding more to the problem already existed.

      Moral of the story? Someone has to put his foot down and demand certain level of cable management and documentation. Without them you are lost in the long run.

    46. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by arbulus · · Score: 0

      at 3am your servers aren't screaming at you until you clean up their feces and feed them.

      Sounds like someone's shop doesn't use Windows...

      QFT

    47. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by dyingtolive · · Score: 1

      Tibco

      I thought that shit went out with the dinosaurs.

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    48. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps the admins are competent, and you're not!

      Admins can't fix EBKAC - at least not legally.

    49. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by operagost · · Score: 2

      I believe you'll get your ass kicked for saying something like that, man.

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    50. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck system admin day.

      Now there's an idea for a holiday!

      No fat chicks, please.

      CAPTCHA: helpmate

    51. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by operagost · · Score: 1

      We have the benefits of technological solutions for most of the problems that cause a sysadmin to come in at 1 AM to restart servers. UPS and backup generators are obvious, but admittedly expensive ones. But they have to understand the concept of risk. Is it good for the databases to be dropped all the time? It takes the sysadmin time to get into the physical location, and downtime costs money, so why not invest in reliable remote access solutions (yes, they have to be on UPS too) so that a flaky server can be hard rebooted? In addition to mitigating the power issue, they have to mitigate the personnel issue. What if the same bad storm that takes out the power takes out the one poor sysadmin who's always asked to come in? Who will reboot everything? What if you're simply unreachable? What if you win the lottery, and just quit? You need a backup person, and the tools to keep the system as uncomplicated as possible so that the survival of the company does not rest on you handling these routine events.

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    52. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by surferx0 · · Score: 1

      The next 20 years being completely irrelevant to anyone currently looking for work. Those are jobs for a whole new generation of people who have barely been born.

    53. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      Amen.

      Some manager decides he's going to buy this awesome new application that's designed to do 123 running on XYZ. He then decides that since he wants the application only for this one little function he wont need all the suggested hardware. After it's deployed (in about 1/5th the time a rational human being would ask that it be deployed in) that manager decides that function #2 could be quite beneficial and asks you to turn that on too. Then he says that function #3 is really close to another application's function, and if we could modify the new application to do the old application's job we could eliminate that old application. However, by modifying the base functionality of the new application you are outside of any warranty and all issues are entirely your problem. Through all this no one will approve funding for additional hardware even though the original scope was underfunded, and has been tripled, and you've killed your support mechanisms.

      The application limps along on life support, cobbled together with duct tape and bailing twine, and you (the sys admin) are a moron because this service performs so poorly.

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    54. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Petaris · · Score: 1

      For system administrators, everday is monday.

      That should be on a T-Shirt or poster or something. :)

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    55. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      Poetry.

      I think I may have induced a stroke from laughing so hard.

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    56. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by AragornSonOfArathorn · · Score: 1

      For system administrators, everday is monday.

      That should be on a T-Shirt or poster or something. :)

      Someone whip up a design and submit it to shirt.woot.com, or cafepress or something.. I'll buy at least one.

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    57. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ditto

    58. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried to send certificates of appreciation to about 5 sysadmin types at my corporate office, but i had to do it from my personal email, as i could not access corporate email (i couldnt get their email addresses at first, until an IT person helped me find a phone list webpage on their company website with peoples namesf and job descriptions, and all our corporate email addresses have the same format based on their name. so they all got certificates, along with a note that my email was down. one person passed on the service request to IT, then noticed my attachment and emailed me she liked it. I only hope no one thinks i was being sarcastic.

    59. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      :) A day in my life....
      "The Internet's down, folks in Sales aren't able to access their quoting system, and the production server is printing every third page of the floor travelers. You've really got to get on top of this. Remember, it's your job to multi-task and support this institution. Everyone is depending on you. You've got to be able to follow through with great attention to detail. By the way, I'm taking a 3 hour lunch today - you'll need to cover but I'm not authorizing overtime. I noticed you reading e-mails addressed to "Webmaster" last week. That's something I've been meaning to address- you know you're supposed to forward those to the Marketing Department - we are a Sales-driven organization and THEY are our Webmasters - it's on their business cards if you'd care to look. Did you notice that the men's room is out of paper towels? Remember we don't have secretaries or janitors here. Everyone has to do their part, umkay? No, wait, stop. I said stop.(Snaps fingers) Drop what you're doing, you can go back to that Exchange console later. I need you over here. I can't get this funny cat video to work on YouTube."

      Happy Sysadmin Day, boss.
      Love,
      Front office materials technical support

    60. Re:Happy System Administrator Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was fucking in last night at 00:15 when we lost power.

      So? Just continue fucking in the dark.

  3. Re:And... by Y2KDragon · · Score: 0

    This!

  4. Re:And... by jaguar5150 · · Score: 1

    Not a single fuck was given.

    Speak for yourself!

  5. Are they worthy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We have several people in our department who are much more competent than our sysadmins. It seems like a constant battle. We often have to explain to them how the best way to do things is and why they are not doing it correctly. They probably need to pay the position more money so that competent people will choose that career path and not the more lucrative one that is our primary business and what butters our bread.

    1. Re:Are they worthy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, I mean, I once met a secretary who didn't give me a message, so we should cancel Secretary's Day while we're at it. And my buddy's mom is serious bitch, so there goes Mother's Day. Obviously I don't know your sysadmins, but I think the reason sysadmins deserve a day is much the same why secretaries and nurses have one: we work long fucking hours for shitty pay and have to listen to assholes like you who are certain our job is easy and they could do it better.

    2. Re:Are they worthy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said!!

      Devs call you an arsehole cause you won't let them have full admin rights to run some shitty script, go crying to management, the mangement then tell you to open it up! You try to state why you said "No" get told you're being difficult, getting the way and "incompetent"! Bollocks! I get paid to protect the system and keep it in a consistent state so it works 99.9% of the time. If devs had their way security would be an after-thought, what am I saying, it often fucking is when they're involved!

    3. Re:Are they worthy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, you have separate sys admins and developers? Like, as in two people? WOW! Some people are soooo lucky.

    4. Re:Are they worthy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if i don't have FULL admin rights on my computer, you better shackle my hands, and poke my eyes, because that's how i feel when i sit on such a shitty computer.

    5. Re:Are they worthy? by Feyshtey · · Score: 2

      Pay is only half of the issue.

      You would just be paying people more to come to work to listen to "more competent people" tell you to just shut up and do what they are asking you to do while explaining why it has to be done that way, but :
      - dont understand you are doing exactly what your boss (and theirs) tells you that you're required to do by company policy.
      - have no clue that their code sucks ass and has massive resource leaks that caused the problem in the first place (not POS servers with shitty administration).
      - are asking you to changing routing and code in such a way that it's sending everything in triplicate and saturating the network which is the source of the latency (not a POS network managed by idiots).
      - have no clue that if you comply with the request and give them some minor convenience or allow them to avoid actually having to design a solution, you will break the 10 other business unit's that use the same servers and/or network.
      - have no clue that what you're asking is an inherent security risk, and telling me that it's such a hardship for you to keep track of two whole passwords instead of one doesnt make it any less of a risk.
      - have no clue that just because Windows will allow you to do it, doesn't mean it's smart to do it. (Yes, I suppose you could nest directories 100 deep, but I'm not an idiot because I wont try to figure out how to make the anti-virus scans run faster on it just because you have the orginazational skills of a baboon in heat.)

      I could probably spend the rest of today writing more of these... I really have to start a blog.

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    6. Re:Are they worthy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      organizational skills of a baboon in heat

      Dear Sir;
      I would like to inform you that I have just used this phrase in a company-wide email, as it was a) currently copied to my clipboard, and b) was the only phrase that I could find to properly describe the root-cause of a recent 14-hour long Production outage in one of our major applications.

      Thusfar, it has been met with what can only be described as positive feedback. Even from our HR department.
      Thank you.

    7. Re:Are they worthy? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      On your *own* computer, you should have rights if you can handle them. On shared environments like integration, QA, staging and, of course, production, there needs to be control.

      And no, being a developer does not automatically make you a systems expert.

    8. Re:Are they worthy? by Jozza+The+Wick · · Score: 1

      No. Find a manager or someone senior you like / likes you and start to explain this sort of thing to them one small piece at a time. Couch it in terms of value to the business. Explain that you could make some cheap changes and improve efficiency. Put together a powerpoint if you have to. Find a mentor in management, and say you have a proposal to make some improvements. Try and get them behind you and start to push for change. Show the value to the business in what you're proposing. Estimate the cost of a downtime / slow network and compare to that the cost of your suggestions. Either push for change with some convincing arguments (which it seems you have a lot of) or look for a new job. Don't waste your effort on a blog. Try to change the situation instead.

    9. Re:Are they worthy? by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      And we're back around to the "more competent people" using small words to explain to the idiot sys admins how to do their jobs.

      Allow me to reciprocate.

      The lead developer comes to me to tell me that I must go to my management and procure funding for network upgrades because it's all fucked up, and while I'm at it I should ask if there is any training I might benefit from. I say, "No, we need you to justify the amount of data coming from your application. Do you see this list of IPs? Those are your servers running the latest release of your application. Here is the amount of data sent/recieved from these servers in the last 24 hours. Please come to me with a justification on why you need this kind of network utilization, and if justified please inform your business unit that you will need to procure funding to upgrade the network to your needs."

      The lead developer then goes to his management with a complaint that I'm uncooperative. His management comes to my management with that complaint, and they come down to chat with me about what the hell is going on. The above is reiterated. My management goes back to the lead developer's management and says "Why the fuck is your application saturating my network and crushing the productivity of the 10 other business units at the site? Here, look at his data." The lead developer's manager goes to the lead developer and says "How the fuck are we supposed to sell and application that saturates a network like this and why the fuck didnt I know?" The lead developer tells everyone on the development team that IT are a bunch of uncooperative and incompetent idiots, and because they cant figure out how to fix the network the development team is now forced to redesign the application to work on a shitty network."

      And thus, the myth of the incompetent Sys Admin is propogated.

      And by the way, I'm not a sys admin anymore. I'm a senior systems engineer, architect and integrator. My job is now to shove condescending bullshit back down the throat of the IT consumer and make them actually do their job. I am the person that makes sure stupid situations like the above land squarely on the shoulders of the people that deserve it, and it's almost never the sys admins.

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    10. Re:Are they worthy? by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      LOL! Outstanding. You've returned the humor in full.

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    11. Re:Are they worthy? by arbulus · · Score: 0

      Every one of my clients thinks that each and every user must have domain admin rights and be able to do whatever they want. But at the same time, they tell me they want me to make sure employees aren't downloading things and to block social networking sites and such. But whenever I try to explain networking security to them, they get irritated.

      A large number of my clients are medical facilities. Give people anything more than just basic rights to logon and run their medical software and you expose every single one of their patient's private info. (Which begets another rant on idiot fucking developers who write their EMR or practice management software so that it must run with admin rights.)

      You can do whatever you want on your home computer, but in a business environment, you don't get that privilege.

    12. Re:Are they worthy? by QuantumRiff · · Score: 1

      I'm sure my developers say the same thing about me. I mean, their Silverlight app works fine when they run it on their test server on the same subnet as them. But somehow, when I forward to it with our load balancers, it breaks. Apparently, my load-balancers are crap, and i should just put their IIS machine right in the DMZ.. They have decided that I don't know what I'm talking about, and their app searching for http://hostname/ is going to magically resolve on the internet, since it works in their office..

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    13. Re:Are they worthy? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      The "myth" of incompetent SysAdmins is propagated in my company by the Sys Admins saying things like "3 days of backups is good enough", "VNC is a huge network hog, and that is why the system runs at 100% CPU utilization", "running the exact same software environment on a separate piece of hardware doesn't tell you anything about the first piece", "The fact that every single piece of software that runs on the system pegs the CPU and bogs down the system including just running a 'DIR' listing doesn't mean there is something wrong with the system. It must be your code that isn't loaded that is the problem.", "Keeping the test environment separate from Production is too much of a hassle, so we will just put Test into the Production domain, and name it Test", etc. etc., etc.

    14. Re:Are they worthy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mod this shit up!

    15. Re:Are they worthy? by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      Are there idiot sys admins? You betcha. But the biggest reasons for that are that the good admins:
      1) get paid for shit, and look for better jobs.
      2) work shitty hours (on-call 24x7, working after hours and weekends to patch/upgrade to reduce impact to IT consumers but damn well better be there during regular hours to provide support too), get burnt out and quit.
      3) get treated like shit by arrogant assholes that think they know everything, and quit.
      4) get pulled in 100 directions at once by 100 different people that all think their problem is the problem that admin has to solve RIGHT GODAMN NOW, and quit.
      5) get hung out to dry by IT managers that are kissing up to the IT consumers to retain business, and allow false blame to go to the admins, who get pissed and quit.
      6) get blamed for absolutely everything, even the things 100% out of their control and even things that dont actually exist, get fed up, and quit.

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    16. Re:Are they worthy? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      If what you are saying is true, then there are only a statistically insignificant number of competent sys admin in the field at any time, and it is unlikely that any of us will ever meet one.

    17. Re:Are they worthy? by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      Actually there are a lot of them. But if they are both competent and remain in sys admin roles they have likely developed the learned response of just not giving a shit anymore as a sanity self-defense.

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    18. Re:Are they worthy? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      You've changed your story. No matter, your new story just says that many of the incompetent sys admins are willfully incompetent. It doesn't change the fact that your statements indicate that virtually all active sys admins are incompetent.

    19. Re:Are they worthy? by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      And the fact that you are nitpicking off-hand remarks as statements to be used in some if/then/else logic exercise is exactly the kind of petty childish bullshit that sys admins deal with day in and day out. I would bet that many you have worked with will have become willfully incompetent because your behavior is precisely the stupid shit that forces someone to not give a shit just so that they dont choke the life out of you.

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  6. Re:And... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not a single fuck was given.

    Or had.

  7. Hmmm by Legion303 · · Score: 5, Funny

    My wife always comes to me when the computers act up. I think I can leverage this into a blowjob.

    1. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, I gave my sysadmin a hand job for doing well.

      You know, there are times I hate being my own IT guy.

    2. Re:Hmmm by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 1

      As long as you don't have a floppy disk ;)

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    3. Re:Hmmm by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      >> when the computers act up

      It's amazing how this always happens on Friday at 3:30.

    4. Re:Hmmm by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      You said "wife"? Odds are not in your favor.

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    5. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      amen

    6. Re:Hmmm by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 1

      It's worked for me several times....if you're wife is willing to do it for me then you shouldn't have any problems, either.

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    7. Re:Hmmm by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 1

      *YOUR wife. Not YOU'RE. That's what I get for typing whilst getting a BJ from your wife.

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    8. Re:Hmmm by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Happy System Admin day! Every day!

    9. Re:Hmmm by adolf · · Score: 1

      Some of us appreciate our sysadmin several times a day.

      (it takes some getting used to, but it does stop chafing once the calluses start building up.)

    10. Re:Hmmm by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      Lucky you -- I didn't even rate one for getting her an iPhone 4 upgrade and an iPad within two weeks.

  8. Re:And... by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2

    Like a solider, you are appreciated once you are no longer around to do the job. It sucks, but that's often the only way any of us gets appreciated.

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  9. Posters by epdp14 · · Score: 1

    Anyone have a pdf of a poster I can place on my office door? I need to remind the cretins in the accounting office outside.

    1. Re:Posters by Pvt_Waldo · · Score: 1

      Don't put up the posters unless you've got the guts to call them cretins to their faces. And don't be surprised at the reaction you get.

    2. Re:Posters by epdp14 · · Score: 2

      I call them cretins every day. I am not sure if they know what it means, however. I try to confuse them by saying it in a light, cheery tone like "How are my cretins doing today?"

    3. Re:Posters by cforciea · · Score: 1

      Your comment has made me smile.

  10. needs a hallmark card by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    it isnt a real day until it has a hallmark card.

    1. Re:needs a hallmark card by suso · · Score: 2

      Maybe the sysadmins at Hallmark could help us out on this one.

  11. Also National Chicken Wing Day in the US by kenrblan · · Score: 1

    I don't think it's a coincidence. System Admins deserve some free chicken wing love today.

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    1. Re:Also National Chicken Wing Day in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hooters here I come!

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  13. Pieday Friday is useful now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ill hug the one guy that does everything, the 4 useless ones will get a pie in the face.

  14. Thanks! by somaTh · · Score: 1

    Happy SAD to you too.

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    1. Re:Thanks! by NevarMore · · Score: 1

      Its OK. Most sysadmins deserve to celebrate both of those holidays.

    2. Re:Thanks! by somaTh · · Score: 1

      Fine. Happy SAAD to you, too!

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  15. I got to drive the company car for the first time by sandytaru · · Score: 0

    2005 xTerra. It was an experience. I also brought in cookies for everyone else in the office to share with me.

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  16. Face it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Face it. Nobody likes you. This "holiday" is a sham. It is worse than national frozen food month.

    1. Re:Face it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I though National Frozen Food Month was SysAdmin Day? What am I supposed to do with all these Hot Pockets, pizzas, and burritos.

  17. Hugging a sysadmin? by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

    No, I haven't hugged my sysadmin, and I probably won't do so - something about not wanting to get multicolored greasy stains on my shirt.

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    1. Re:Hugging a sysadmin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they should just hug themselves (posted from ubuntu client which didn't have traceroute installed)

    2. Re:Hugging a sysadmin? by geekoid · · Score: 2

      I would like to hug my sys admins neck with my hands.

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  18. Better include a nice card by paiute · · Score: 1

    I would do both the cake and the lunch for this guy. And then change your password just to be safe. http://bofh.ntk.net/BOFH/

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    1. Re:Better include a nice card by lostfayth · · Score: 1

      He's the bofh, he does not need your password. Your home directory is gone. The backups? Lets see, intermittent environmental interrupt problem... I can work with this.

  19. Dude, don't do it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Fuck system admin day. I'm going back to school.

    For what? Nursing? Things suck really bad for them too and if you take in consideration all the nurses that have been pumped out lately, there will be a glut soon - because of the cuts currently happening, jobs are hard to come buy (my wife is a nurse who was just let go: all these people out of work have no insurance and therefore medical is suffering too).

    Dental school? I know a dentist who was laid off and he had a HUGE problem getting a job.

    Law school or Med school? Good luck with that.

    MBA?! NFW. I got one and it was the most worthless waste of time and money in my life.

    Yeah, I know it sucks and there's a lot of bullshit and nighttime shit, but the grass only looks greener on the other side. You got a job and sys admins are still enjoying some job security. Take it from me: suck it up and take it because I don't know of any profession that's doing well now - other than CEO of a multinational corporation.

    1. Re:Dude, don't do it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apply for elected office. They always seem to get paid more every year and they never have layoffs.

  20. Re:I got to drive the company car for the first ti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Did you really just brag that you drove an old Nissan SUV? Set your sights a bit higher and you might crest 60k IT drone.

  21. Never met my system admin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ext. 26492, from 8:30 am to 4:30 pm, he doesn't even seem to take a lunch break, that's all I need to know.

  22. SA is the BOFH by Creepy · · Score: 2

    I think my SA is the BOFH... a hug may get me killed... or committed. I'll stick to the Code Hack zone, where it is safe I think.

  23. Does this mean by Grand+Facade · · Score: 2

    I'll get fair pay,

    and an 8 hour day?

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    1. Re:Does this mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paul, get back to work and stop complaining for the thousandth time! Make sure those TPS reports are on my desk by COB too.

    2. Re:Does this mean by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Find a job that treat their employees better. Or get a labor lawyer t give you an opinion of what salary means in your state. Tenh sue for back OT, and settle for company policy that sys admins get OT. Suddenly all those little daily emergencys aren't as important.

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    3. Re:Does this mean by noc007 · · Score: 1

      Unlikely at your current job. I suggest looking for employment elsewhere. There are companies that are willing to pay the right amount given you have the necessary skills and experience. It took me a little over half a year to find a company. I was seriously considering taking a job that was strictly for VMWare or Exchange, but this one came and will leverage my existing repertoire along with managing new technology.

      The thing that drives me crazy is a SysAdmin is expected to be an expert at everything under the sun, but they're only willing to pay $45k for it. Oh and you should feel appreciated that you're now making $50k after tailing for us for five years. Then they hire an "expert" (you actually know more than them and have to help them constantly) to support one little platform and they pay them $80k+.

  24. Just give me a bonus by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

    A small bonus can't help to show some appreciation.

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    1. Re:Just give me a bonus by PPH · · Score: 1

      Where I work, its already management policy to bone us.

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  25. SysOp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was a kid, back in the days of BBS's and their SysOps's. I allways wanted he title of SysOP, now they call it SysAdmin.. bummer. I was a reall BBS SysOp fora year or so though way back when..

    1. Re:SysOp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ops are different than Admins.

    2. Re:SysOp by NetNed · · Score: 1

      Sort of. The sysop usually would have people who used the BBS they OPerated be sysadmins of certain parts of the BBS. That didn't mean that the sysop didn't do any administration though, as most times it was the sysop that created or ok'ed new accounts and gave permissions. Maintain the BBS for the most part came down to the sysop also. Sysadmins were really akin to moderators on forums now.

  26. Thanks! by HaZardman27 · · Score: 1

    As much friction as there can be between sysadmins and developers (devs not giving proper instructions, sysadmins not notifying us about "scheduled" server maintenance, the hassle of trying to get production logs...) I can still appreciate it that it's not my ass on the line when servers go down in the middle of the night. Thanks, and I hope you have time tonight to enjoy a beer!

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  27. Everyday is SysAdmin day by Uloi · · Score: 2

    You always have to kiss their butts to do anything. 1/2 the time they are in the server room playing WOW.

    1. Re:Everyday is SysAdmin day by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Install some Wow hacks on their machine, then report then to blizzard.

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    2. Re:Everyday is SysAdmin day by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 1

      If you can hack into his machine and install random shit, he wouldn't be a sysadmin in the first place.

    3. Re:Everyday is SysAdmin day by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 1

      Wow I don't know what country you are in, that has sysadmin playing WoW. Here in the U.S. we have to sit in a 90 degree server room because the company have no $ to fix the A/C, and we are forced to use our student loan money to play in the Wall Street Casino in normal business hours because otherwise we have no $ to pay for basic food such as ramen.

    4. Re:Everyday is SysAdmin day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey! If you can think of a better way to monitor network latency, I'm all ears!

  28. Re:Do you know by RazzleFrog · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Do you realize that the concept of "swear" words is completely ridiculous, arbitrary, and vary greatly from culture to culture?

  29. Re:Do you know by h4rr4r · · Score: 0

    It's a fucking occupational hazard.

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  31. Re:I got to drive the company car for the first ti by sandytaru · · Score: 1

    It was a fun adventure and an excuse to get away from my computer. Also a much nicer car than my ratty old 97 Honda Accord.

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  32. Nick Burns Proclaimed by NetNed · · Score: 1

    oh and YOU'RE WELCOME!!

  33. ***Blow Me A Rasberry*** by tunapez · · Score: 1

    Another 'special' day, oh joy. I like how every day is special anymore. Mom assures me I'm special, too
     
    Tomorrow is 'Cat Walkers' Day! Grab a leash it's gonna be special!

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    1. Re:***Blow Me A Rasberry*** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suggest you wait for National Grammar Day.

  34. Give 'em a hug by chomsky68 · · Score: 1

    but not for stinky ones!

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    1. Re:Give 'em a hug by PPH · · Score: 1

      I would. But he's always on his hands and knees under some secretary's desk. Fixing network cables I think.

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  35. It's kind of difficult... by DangerOnTheRanger · · Score: 1

    ...to hug myself...

  36. Artificial appreciation days by grimmjeeper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If sysadmins were more consistently good, we wouldn't need to manufacture a day to "appreciate" them. One of the reasons sysadmins are under appreciated is because a non-trivial percentage of them aren't worth spit. Sure, I've worked with some incredible admins and appreciated every second of their time. But I've worked with some pretty clueless idiots who had no business whatsoever coming anywhere near a computer. Nobody remembers the good admins because everything just works and no one needs to call them. Unfortunately, that means that the only admins you really do remember are the ones who couldn't figure out how to pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel. And that is what is really not fair for the good admins and why they are under appreciated.

    So, for all the good admins out there, kudos to you. You should be appreciated on more than just one day arbitrarily chosen out of the year. For the rest, well, mother always said if you didn't have anything nice to say don't say anything. I don't have anything to say to you.

    1. Re:Artificial appreciation days by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      Good sys admins are generally smart enough to quit so they can find work that doesnt involve hand-holding clueless jackasses.

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    2. Re:Artificial appreciation days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the *issues* that people see with Sysadmins are manufactured by management.

      Problem identified.

      #1 Submit problem identified, why you think it's a problem, what your proposed solution is, how much it will cost, how much down time is involved, and we'll get back to you.
      #2 - wait 3 weeks to 3 months for management to get back to you, in the mean time, the problem has raised it's ugly little head 13 times, but you cannot implement the fix.
      #3 - okay, we agree there is a problem, we've constructed a committee to analyze the problem. 13 people with no technical background will get back to you on their proposed solution.
      #4 - wait 3 months - meanwhile the rate of failure is increasing, still, you cannot implement your fix.
      #5 - okay, we disagree entirely with your solution, here's our plan, which doesn't even touch the servers with the problem
      #6 - write up the change request to implement the committee's designed fix, and get it submitted right now, cuz you've been sitting on this problem for 6 months now.
      #7 - wait while we discuss your change order
      #8 - we don't agree that your change order will work, please re-write with your original fix plan
      #9 - wait 10 or more days so that it's not an emergency fix, because that would make us look bad
      #10 - implement fix, taking all of 10 minutes, with no down-time, problem fixed
      #11 - what? are you kidding me? you let us waste 6+ months on something that could have been fixed in 15 minutes? you're fired!!!

    3. Re:Artificial appreciation days by arbulus · · Score: 0

      This is a bit backward.

      Yes, good sysadmins do keep things up and running, but there are things that inevitably break down. It happens: drives fail, a rat chews a network cable, somebody downloads a virus, whatever. And people freak out. So you always get calls from people who are frustrated, angry, etc., and want their shit fixed. The problem is that in the mind of the users, you are akin to a janitor or a plumber. You get called when things break or when people who THINK they know what they are doing screw things up even worse than they were before because they didn't want to call you. No one pays any attention to the sysadmins when things are working, and then suddenly they start blaming them when things aren't working.

      Granted, there are people out there in IT who have no business doing what they are doing. But they aren't the problem.

    4. Re:Artificial appreciation days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to disagree for exactly the reasons you stated. Great sysadmins are rarely acknowledged as such, unless that are replacing a poor one. And even then, once people become accustomed to everything running smoothly, they quickly forget how bad it can be. Its a bit someone spontaneously acknowledging the amount of effort that goes into making sure your electricity keeps flowing, it just works. I cannot remember its origins, but dug up a version of a fable I heard in a college class that stuck with me.

      There were three brothers and all were doctors. The youngest brother was a very famous doctor. He was well known for curing the most life threatening diseases. It was said, he could bring people back from death’s door.
      The middle brother was also well known, but not as famous as the youngest brother. People said the middle brother could cure diseases that did not cause death, but limited one’s ability to enjoy life.
      The oldest brother, no one knew. He was not famous at all. His patients never became sick.

      A great sysadmin keeps everything running smoothly, without drama, and so is largely forgotten. I say if this made up holiday can get just few of these great sysadmin some kudos, not harm done.

  37. Meh by Osgeld · · Score: 0

    every company I have ever worked for has had some douche clown in that position

    one cause the guy knew how to install a hard disk
    one cause the guy installed the bosses surround sound
    and the last one cause he knew how to install windows, and the company just moved cross country

    so no, fuck the admins, they are worthless dolts that take 6 fucking weeks to run 1 god damned phone line and then they just twist two wires together covered with masking tape keeping me out of a real position

    1. Re:Meh by IANAAC · · Score: 1

      ...they are worthless dolts that take 6 fucking weeks to run 1 god damned phone line and then they just twist two wires together covered with masking tape keeping me out of a real position

      Ex sys admin. here.

      I got out of the field because of this attitude. You might want to look at the bigger picture. Maybe you'd realize that sys admins rarely dictate the schedule of anything. When I was a sys admin,, the obscene amount of paperwork that traveled from department to department requiring signatures from everybody was usually the reason for holdups. Oh, and meeting upon meeting to discuss it all, too.

    2. Re:Meh by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      attitudes like mine? sorry if MY JOB depends on my phone working and the "IT" guy is too busy avoiding it cause he doesn't want to string a wire through a pipe

      I only got my phone line cause I bitched to the CEO which in return the "IT" guy dumped a box of cable on my desk and told me to call him when it was done (with no working phone) it took less than an hour and then another 3 days for him to punch it in the wall right where the old line was.

      you can blame meetings and paperwork all you want and that MAY be true, in my experience its a shallow excuse for laziness apathy and ignorance (well we had a meeting to discuss how to solve your problem cause fuck if we know, we hired someone like you to install the phones in the first place, but we did decide we dont care that much and we will get to it sometime just muddle by)

    3. Re:Meh by IANAAC · · Score: 1

      attitudes like mine? sorry if MY JOB depends ...

      I only got my phone line cause I bitched to the CEO ...

      you can blame meetings and paperwork all you want and that MAY be true, in my experience its a shallow excuse for laziness apathy and ignorance (well we had a meeting to discuss how to solve your problem cause fuck if we know, we hired someone like you to install the phones in the first place, but we did decide we dont care that much and we will get to it sometime just muddle by)

      Ah. The picture is a lot clearer. Nobody wants to deal with you personally. Can't say I blame them.

    4. Re:Meh by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      HA there we go, there is a classic IT attitude, yes sir YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT and there is never any point in trying to hold a discussion with you cause your fucking Jesus Christ the IT Admin!

      Thank you for backing me up

    5. Re:Meh by IANAAC · · Score: 1

      HA there we go, there is a classic IT attitude, yes sir YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT and there is never any point in trying to hold a discussion with you cause your fucking Jesus Christ the IT Admin!

      Thank you for backing me up

      Actually, no. In my original reply, I gave a couple different reasons why there would be a huge delay. You at least acknowledged they could have been reasons, but then proceeded to say it was because of laziness, apathy and ignorance because it fit better with your somewhat offensive rant.

      Not trying to be "ALWAYS RIGHT", just looking at your wording and attitude. That's why I say nobody wants to deal with you personally.

      I haven't been a sys admin for quite a few years now, BTW :-)

    6. Re:Meh by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      yea yea blah blah blah never your fault, quick with the excuses and the old its not my problem, and no one wants to deal with you cause how dare you suggest someone get off their worthless ass for a couple hours and run a phone line

      listen chief, we all have mountains of paper work and pointless meetings to attend, why is it the IT crew gets to use that as an excuse to not do their job but yet it does not work with any other department? Its cause the IT guys are usually useless ass hats with excuses and attitude.

    7. Re:Meh by Fned · · Score: 1

      Osgeld, everything you type here makes it appear that the IT guy takes forever to do stuff for you because, in between his meetings and paperwork, he's busy helping other people in the company who aren't gigantic suppurating assholes.

      I'm not saying that's the case, I'm just saying that's the case you're doing everything you can to hard-sell to the reader.

    8. Re:Meh by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      or he could be playing angry birds on his mac laptop all day as I was not the only one, here is is 6 months later and my phone is the only one working in the second building, we have no fax and our T1 is still dead running a cooperation on a 768k dsl line cause of 1 rain storm and his shitty wiring

      after I pulled my own fucking phone line and punched it in myself I was rewarded with a write up from him and backed by management

    9. Re:Meh by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      You're just one of the legions of jackasses that think your problem is the priority of the sys admin. In just the last 24 hours that admin has probably heard 20 reasons why the problem of personX is the one that takes precedent. But in IT one of the very small saving graces is that you have the ability to put the biggest jackass at the bottom of the list. It sounds as though you've perfected securing your place in line.

      The impact of the way you treat your sys admin is much like the impact of the way your treat your waiter or bartender. Piss them off, and there's just no telling what they put in your food....

      --
      "But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it,..." - Nancy Pelosi
    10. Re:Meh by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      im so sorry one guy cant keep less than 2 dozen computer working at a full time job, goes back to lazy apathetic and attitude

      cry me a river a sysadmin has to do something during his busy days

    11. Re:Meh by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      Depending on the level of stupidity, one person is fully capable of consuming 100% of an admin's time. It's actually relatively common for there to be "that guy" that is constantly fucking something up that the admin has to constantly fix. We actually have a new verb in our office in honor of "that guy". When you have to fix John Jackson's fuckups, you have been Jacksoned. (Name changed to protect the stupid.)

      It's also pretty common for company's to buy absolutely shitty hardware, or incompatible hardware, and then blame the IT guy because it doesnt do what it was never designed to do in the first place, let alone do it well. The same can be said for applications and services. The ideal admin could spend every waking moment on 10 shitty servers running 1 piece of incompatible software utilized by 1 complete dipshit, and never make any headway.

      Are you your site's John Jackson?

      --
      "But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it,..." - Nancy Pelosi
  38. And once again... by EvilStein · · Score: 1

    not a single fuck about us was given that day. But god forbid you forget "Secretary Appreciation Week" or whatever it is. :/

    Back to the basement, cube trolls!

    1. Re:And once again... by Kaffien · · Score: 1

      In honor of this day go home early and watch 'the IT crowd' it will speak to you I'm sure.

    2. Re:And once again... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Did you tell anyone? Did you get it on the company calendar? No? well then how the fuck will anyone know?

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  39. Good administrators by OhEd · · Score: 2

    We are down to one part-time sysadmin, and she does a terrific job. I've seen lousy sysadmins, and know well to appreciate a good one. Now if only management appreciated her as well!

    1. Re:Good administrators by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Management won't appreciate anything unless it is properly spelled out i a report, along with costs and saving.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  40. About the budgets, people forget by Quila · · Score: 1

    The DoD has a $19 billion space budget too.

    This includes the GPS system, weather satellites and communications.

    1. Re:About the budgets, people forget by cosm · · Score: 1

      Good to know, I'll probably adjust those statistics accordingly. They're a bit rough around the edges and averaged from multiple sources. Still, even knowing there's an additional 19B, it doesn't stack up against all the other programs (military and entitlements), and hence my intended point about long term priorities.

      --
      'We are trying to prove ourselves wrong as quickly as possible, because only in that way can we find progress.' RPF
    2. Re:About the budgets, people forget by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      What is included in your "war budget"? It gets really frustrating to look at those numbers because all too often insanely dumb things get lumped together which actually are not related to the war budget at all. For example, all too often people lump in costs which would exist regardless of the current war operations. Sometimes their cited numbers are off by 50%. So are your numbers accurate or just once sided political lies?

    3. Re:About the budgets, people forget by cosm · · Score: 1

      They're pretty close to raw numbers, and I try not to take things out of context, those numbers are straight from the horses mouth and also extrapolated from 3rd party analysis:
      http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Overview/
      http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget
      http://budget.house.gov/fy2012budget/
      http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/budget/budget12/index.html
      http://www.whitehouse.gov/files/documents/budget_2012.pdf
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_federal_budget

      If you find any one sided political lies or gross and blatant misrepresentations, I will gladly adjust accordingly.

      --
      'We are trying to prove ourselves wrong as quickly as possible, because only in that way can we find progress.' RPF
    4. Re:About the budgets, people forget by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      Please don't misunderstand, I'm not accusing. I would have taken your word at face value had you said you made a good faith effort to calculate the numbers, as opposed to simply parroting someone's propaganda.

      Honestly I wasn't expecting references. Kudos for providing them.

    5. Re:About the budgets, people forget by cosm · · Score: 1

      No problem. "So are your numbers accurate or just once sided political lies?" is pretty accusative, and looking to start a partisan fight. Not enough room in the signature field to provide any more than what I got in, maybe I'll throw in a tiny url or something with full sources. What frustrated me by your comment is how it seems people automatically assume any political rhetoric is partisan these days. Gotta love what the media has done to us Americans.

      Cheers

      --
      'We are trying to prove ourselves wrong as quickly as possible, because only in that way can we find progress.' RPF
    6. Re:About the budgets, people forget by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      is pretty accusative

      That's hyper sensitive. It was a direct question, nothing more, nothing less. And given the political and media landscape and the hyper-biased user base here, its an extremely reasonable question.

      and looking to start a partisan fight.

      Considering I never sided, that's not true. Hell, my follow up even stated my leaning was to take your reply at face value without any references. I mean come on... You're a little too sensitive, IMOHO.

      Insulting you was not my intent. But honestly, if your feel slighted from someone asking and direct question about your political leaning when offering obviously politically charged information, that's on you. I meant no offense and certainly did not take sides; rather showing contempt for the all too common political leanings/bias and misinformation. All of which seems to especially permeate /. these days. Hell, its exceptionally rare to even have an intelligent exchange on /. these days.

      If you're mad at me, its completely misplaced. You should be mad on media (which you seem to agree), the /. user base, and the political landscape as its become today. It is what it is. Accordingly, you need to excuse my well justified cynicism.

    7. Re:About the budgets, people forget by cosm · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the rebuttal, I am always glad to actually have engaging conversation on /. I originally felt the wording of your inquiry was instigating for the fact that your question was so direct by only leaving room for the either/or answer, with the latter assertion begging the question of honesty, which is accusative when directly questioning one's motive. Perhaps I took it too sensitively, but going around enough forums its hard to tell genuine inquiry from ad-hominem attacks. Never took it as an insult, it just seemed a bit aggressive. I do appreciate your response and in all likelihood will probably change the wording so that it will seem more informative than inflammatory.

      In retrospect, your cynicism is well founded, and I can fault you none for it for the same reasons I used as defense in the above paragrapg, so, in effect, touche! In the end, it is all about the search for truth and knowledge. :)

      Cheers

      --
      'We are trying to prove ourselves wrong as quickly as possible, because only in that way can we find progress.' RPF
  41. we're celebrating in the office by nimbius · · Score: 1

    by going out for pizza!!

    after this resilvering finishes and someone figures out why the sql replication for the dedicated masters is latent but sometime a little later than the cron jobs for the reporting run and hopefully before anybody finds out we're not going to be in the skip-level meeting for the transition team that will probably prevent us from fixing that mailqueue inode issue brent reported yesterday but mira hasnt bugged yet because dev pushed new changes to the production environment ticketing system yesterday that we need to roll back sometime this evening.....

    after the pizza i guess...or before?
    argh, hang on someone just hit me up on jabber about that mysql lag thing again.

    --
    Good people go to bed earlier.
  42. Think Geek's Contest by wbav · · Score: 1

    Getting my admin on this list.

    Yup, that'll do.

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    Unix is very user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are.
  43. I'll show him appreciation when by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    He stops laughing and just tells me where the "any" key is.

    --
    I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
    1. Re:I'll show him appreciation when by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

      After I "hit" the enter key, I'm waiting for a new keyboard myself. I wonder if this one will come with the any key too...

    2. Re:I'll show him appreciation when by Xeleema · · Score: 1

      You don't have one on your keyboard like this?
      Better call the helpdesk and get a replacement.

      --
      "When I am king, you will be first against the wall..."
  44. Re:Do you know by tverbeek · · Score: 2

    Do you know how to interact with people without lecturing them?

    In this context, some coarse language is socially appropriate.

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    http://alternatives.rzero.com/
  45. Re:And... by Xeleema · · Score: 1

    you are appreciated once you are no longer around to do the job

    Reminds me of "Emperor's Syndrom"...

    Emperor: "Ah, that coup went better than expected. Let's look at the budget...1,000 Ninjas?? Fire half of them!"
    Underling: "Yessir! But please keep in mind, the previous Emperor had 2,000 Ninjas...they were the only force warding off the assassins."
    ...Six Months Later...
    New Emperor: "Well, that coup went well. Let's look at the budget...Ahhh!! 500 Ninjas?! Fire half of them!"
    Underling: *sigh*

    --
    "When I am king, you will be first against the wall..."
  46. Yeah for Sysadmins by WankersRevenge · · Score: 5, Funny

    But seriously guys ... it's been seven years now ... can I finally have root access now?

    1. Re:Yeah for Sysadmins by ulzeraj · · Score: 1

      The interesting part is how the discussion was changed to legal age and pedophilia.

    2. Re:Yeah for Sysadmins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

  47. Re:Do you know by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

    Why the fuck would I want to?

  48. Let me guess what's not your new career choice by Quila · · Score: 1

    Counselor for people with Tourette syndrome.

  49. Re:Do you know by harp2812 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Do you know how to speak without swearing?

    Have you *met* a SysAdmin?

    --
    I've found that nurturing one's Zen nature is vital to dealing with technology. Violence is pretty damn useful too.
  50. It's a happy day indeed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I left my job as a sysadmin more than a year ago, and I couldn't be happier. If you're an unappreciated underpaid overworked sysadmin, do what I did. LEAVE! Say goodbye to psychopathic executives, only-slightly-less-evil managers, and clueless-by-choice users. You can solve complex problems with no help and no budget, what the f*** are you doing getting reamed out by people too dumb to figure out how to plug in a printer? Run your own consulting business like I do, and bring home 3x what they were paying you. They want you to keep their servers running 24/7/365? Sure, no problem, as long as they pay you a bucketfull of money.
    If you're as smart and hardworking as most sysadmins I've met, you're wasting your life working for them. LEAVE!

  51. Working 6 AM to midnight, plus weekends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm right there with you. For the past three weeks I've been getting in at 6:00 AM and working until midnight (or until I fall asleep at my computer), in a futile attempt to try to avoid having to log on to the computer on weekends.

    I completely agree: Fuck Sys Admin Day!! I mean, after all, they think they're the only ones busting their asses and still getting shit on. Why should they deserve any special recognition?

    You don't hear me screaming for an Accountant's Day, do you?

  52. Re:Do you know by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    Do you realize that the concept of "swear" words is completely ridiculous, arbitrary, and vary greatly from culture to culture?

    Who gives a flying cholaflazwhyng about that? Plymble off and get back to work - juznuxer!

    The fact that parent was downmodded implies that swear words are from context, not the mere words themselves. Bravo, Anonymous Coward.

  53. What about Us? by ZaskarX · · Score: 1

    "Happy System Administrator Appreciation Day"

    I don't think I know any Happy System Admins, can't we have a Disgruntled System Administrator Appreciation Day? Nobody ever does anything for us!

    1. Re:What about Us? by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      Disgruntled System Administrators Day seems a bit redundant.

      --
      "But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it,..." - Nancy Pelosi
  54. Re:I got to drive the company car for the first ti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As someone who drives a ratty old 97 Ford Ranger, I can relate. It was pretty cool the first time I got to drive the 2005 Ford Taurus with our logo on the doors.

  55. Point of order by Xupa · · Score: 1

    Can I call it SysOp day? Is that OK with everyone? It's inaccurate, but so is SysAdmin day. (for NetAdmins, anyway.)

    1. Re:Point of order by arbulus · · Score: 0

      What about Webmasters?

  56. Re:And... by kernelphr34k · · Score: 0

    Right!

    co-workers don't appreciate me anyways, so what's another day?

    If I appear 'not busy' then I must be goofing off. Only when I'm running around fixing servers is when I'm truly working? pfff.

    It's when sys admins are goofing off is when everything is running smooth! Luckly that's how my weeks go! :)

  57. Put In My Resignation by noc007 · · Score: 1

    I am celebrating today because I put in my notice. Current Chief Idiot Officer doesn't understand WTF I do, doesn't care to try and understand, and is quite content with paying peanuts for it.. So I found some place that's actually willing to pay a decent rate. I'm essentially getting a 65% raise. Bummer is I'm going to have to wait a month to start seeing that extra money.

    1. Re:Put In My Resignation by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      See my other comments on the reasons for the many idiot admins. The good admins are smart enough to move out of such a shitty position.

      --
      "But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it,..." - Nancy Pelosi
  58. Re:Are they worthy? Well said by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    clap/clap/clap....{ bows down respectfully to the master....}

  59. Re:Do you know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Despite those being true, you wouldn't argue the same for any tradition, custom, or even simple habit you uphold. Either you are autistic or have contempt for politeness and decency, you fucking nigger. (That's okay in my culture.)

  60. Calling FUD by petit_robert · · Score: 1

    >I am a huge fan of open source, but it rarely comes with enterprise level support, most cases the best you can do is a a forum or IRC Channel

    I second that. Most cases, that is actually the best you can do : very competent, often instantaneous support. No charge

    >So Yes you will save 1000's on licensing costs (THANKS BSA!), but you will spend 40K a year on an IT guy to provide support.

    Hahaha! Right... that, my friend sounds like pure FUD to me, because in my experience (software for government organizations) quite the opposite is true.

    Proprietary software actually very rarely sells at the official listed price, discounts of 80% being common. But the maintenance contracts are for a percentage of the *official price*. Those contracts can run for much for than what you quote. I do not see that the service provided by the very expensive executives that promote them is better than the forum you mentionned above. Quite the opposite, in fact.

  61. why? by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    I'm still wondering why we have a 'System administrator day', we don't have a janitor day or a mechanic day.. what's so special about a system administrator compared to anyone else who is doing their part in the working place.. And don't say 'he/she keeps everything running', because without all the other people there wouldn't be anything to keep running, so you should thank them for getting you work. ;)

  62. Free copy of Admin Mag today by louiebeth · · Score: 1

    Admin Magazine is giving away free downloads of their newest issue today at http://www.admin-magazine.com/News/Happy-Sys-Admin-Day. Kind of a cool way to thank SysAdmins, eh?

  63. Happy System Administrators exist? by anomalous3 · · Score: 1

    I parsed this incorrectly as a day to appreciate Happy Sysadmins, but I'm not sure I believe in them. I'll appreciate the regular ones though.

  64. Hope, you've celebrated SysAdminDay at your best! by Famatech · · Score: 1

    Just let me remind you that in honor of System Administrator’s Day, we present our special holiday contest, “Try your luck with Radmin”. Every tenth participant will be seent a free Radmin license, and the winner will get the first prize - external hard drive for 1 Tb. The contest will be held up to the 12th of August. Good luck! www.radmin.com/sysadminday