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Russian Official Implies Foul Play In Mars Probe Failure
Back in November, Russia launched the Phobos-Grunt probe on a mission to return a soil sample from Mars' largest moon. Sadly, the probe malfunctioned, and never left orbit. It's due to crash into the Indian Ocean this weekend. An anonymous reader points out some interesting comments from a Russian official, Vladimir Popovkin, who obliquely suggested that interference from other countries was a possible cause of the failure. Quoting:
"Mr. Popovkin’s remarks to the newspaper Izvestia were the first high-level suggestion of nefarious interference. A retired commander of Russia’s missile warning system had speculated in November that strong radar signals from installations in Alaska might have damaged the spacecraft. 'We don’t want to accuse anybody, but there are very powerful devices that can influence spacecraft now,' Mr. Popovkin said in the interview. 'The possibility they were used cannot be ruled out.' ... Mr. Popovkin did not directly implicate the United States in the interview. But he said 'the frequent failure of our space launches, which occur at a time when they are flying over the part of Earth not visible from Russia, where we do not see the spacecraft and do not receive telemetric information, are not clear to us,' an apparent reference to the Americas."
You want to fuck with us, fine. Build your own rocket, yankees.
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... Phobos Grunt? We all know what happens on Phobos when you get a grunt up there. IDDQD, Russia, IDDQD!
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Russia should just admit to its failures, and move on. From what I've read, Russia's high-technology infrastructure is held together with band-aids® and chewing gum. They should concentrate upon repairing their space exploration foundation, then make the attempts to explore Mars.
Most likely, someone came back in a time machine to sabotage the launch to prevent the return of samples to Earth that are contaminated with Martian Hemmorhagic Fever and save billions of people.
'the frequent failure of our space launches, which occur at a time when they are flying over the part of Earth not visible from Russia, where we do not see the spacecraft and do not receive telemetric information, are not clear to us,'
We are to believe that the Russians are completely blind when the spacecraft are on the other side of the Earth? They have no satellites relaying telemetry? Laughable. (Apparently, so is their space program).
The Russian official is referring to the HAARP array -- yes, the one in all the conspiracy theories about how the US is going to burn off the Earth's atmosphere -- and the history of the CIA sabotaging Russian projects during the Cold War. Until there's any evidence that happened in this case, he's just giving the engineer's opinion that CIA sabotage cannot be ruled out and/or he's talking out his ass. This is a non-story.
And with that goes blaming everyone except yourself for your public failures.
When science from another country fails, it is still a tragedy to the US. We are not in a cold war any more - the loss of a sattelite, or a probe, is a huge loss for everyone. Russia may be upset but unfortunately it would not be in US interests to intentionally destroy a probe that we cannot ourselves replicate (due to lack of funds or lack of interest.)
Occasionally living proof of the Ballmer peak.
Maybe just poor coordination? I believe HAARP is supposed to notify local air traffic control when they are busy heating the upper ionosphere, maybe they aren't notifying the Russians? It is my understanding that this thing is the radio analog to a laser.
Maybe this also account for the 20 feet of snow Alaska is getting too.
-- By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out.
Whenever one is dealing with sending rockets to Mars, particularly Phobos, once has to take into account some pretty basic facts about Phobos:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leather_Goddesses_of_Phobos
Once you deal with that, then you can start blaming Eskimos in North America for downing your rocket.
You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
"It's a feature of space launch trajectories that orbital adjustments must be made halfway around the first orbit to circularize and stabilize subsequent orbits," the article
If they can't make friends with antennas, is it really that hard to put boats in international waters to listen to their spacecraft over every part of the Earth?
That submarine? Pipelines? The military planes which crash and burn at every air show in the world?
Russia still can't get over the fact that, in terms of being some sort of global player they're about as important as Spain. They didn't have any problems when they were sealing dogs in rockets and bunging them into orbit - that's about their level.
One of my co-workers is Russian, and he still keeps in touch with friends and family back home. We've been discussing the recent anti-government protests in Moscow, and he says that the government-controlled media (which includes all of TV and radio, and many of the newspapers) has gone into overdrive accusing the U.S. for being behind almost everything that's currently going wrong in Russia. In his words, "Blaming America is all they have left."
Implying that the U.S. is responsible for their spacecraft failure is just part of that game. Russia has been launching spacecraft for decades, and it is silly to think that they didn't learn how to deal with contingencies such as deliberate jamming long ago.
Attempting the most ambitious interplanetary mission ever with low budget, insufficient testing and no recent interplanetary flight experience.
Russian President Medvedev threatened to prosecute those responsible for the space failures. No surprise that the individuals in question are now looking to blame someone else.
Interference among the RF spectrum occurs all the time. I don't doubt that something some country or another has done could interfere with it. Now whether it was the US, China, or some other organization, it still might be accidental.
Those who live by the sword, get shot by those who live by the gun...
On Nov 9, 2011 I unintentionally pointed my new 5mw green laser pen into the sky.
Sorry Phobos-Grunt, I didn't see you there.
Perhaps we should help them to have communications with their birds all the way around the earth.
I blame the failure of the Mars Climate Orbiter on the French insistence of forcing the world to go metric. "The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it."
Regrettably, the russians have gone back to that silly Cold War mentality. Their own propaganda tells them constantly that they are unique, superior to the others, and surrounded by vile enemies that miss no chance to do harm to russia. Recall that when their submarine Kursk exploded and sank, the first instinctive reaction of the regime and its propaganda was to blame a US sub for colliding with, and thus sinking, Kursk.
Spacecraft, especially those destined for deep space, have very sensitive receivers and antennas. When they're close to the earth, such as during launch and low earth orbit these instruments can easily be damaged by high power RF signals from a variety of source. Significant effort is made, at least in the US space industry, to map these sources and appropriately protect the instruments, sometimes to include changes in the ascent and early orbit trajectory. The Russians know there is lots of high power RF coming out of certain locations in Alaska - has been for 50 years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_Air_Force_Station). If they didn't take measures to secure their spacecraft in this known environment, then it's on them.
the problem with these are, first of all you'll be hard pressed to maintain the same exact location on high ocean. you cant just drop anchor in a 8,000 m deep part of the ocean. so, the ship that carries the equipment to do the telemetry would need to be checking out its own location continually itself. and then it would need to compare this with the location received from the craft and analyze it. or send both to the central system (or whatever) they have to analyze it.
leaving that aside, any kind of weather conditions at the point the ship is would affect what you get. ranging from storms to overcast skies. these also affect land based systems, but land based systems do not need to seek evacuation from a storm - they just shut in most of the time. also, other land based locations would make up for reduced efficiency of the one afflicted - to do that in sea you need to keep many ships out, and it would be expensive. in addition, the frequency and mobility of storms for land based installations would be lower since a lot of land features stop or prevent storms (high mountains, different geographical areas) whereas a sea is an open environment in which storm can go anywhere depending on current and atmosphere.
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He must be referring to the dark side of the Earth.
You can't be ahead of the curve, if you're stuck in a loop.
someone else's responsibility!
That's childish!
Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
and why there are lots of high power RF coming out of alaska, a desolate place of the world, again ?
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No press conference from K'Breel, speaker for the council ?!
Must not be true then.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Because it's a good place to put missile warning radars if you're concerned about that sort of thing.
We've been discussing the recent anti-government protests in Moscow, and he says that the government-controlled media (which includes all of TV and radio, and many of the newspapers) has gone into overdrive accusing the U.S. for being behind almost everything that's currently going wrong in Russia.
hasnt it recently leaked that u.s. secret services were behind orchestrating the 'arab spring' that happened around middle east - which hit all of the countries that had u.s. unfriendly governments, but conveniently skipped u.s. backers like jordan, saudi arabia (the hellhole), bahrain and so on ? the minor protest that ensued at the end of all arab spring in bahrain was suppressed violently by saudi arabian forces which bahrain govt. requested. but nothing happened. in contrast, entire arab spring started from a single street salesman burning himself in tunusia ?
i dont think it necessitates any explanation now. we have discussed innumerable articles with news on how the u.s. secret services were using social media, internet as a weapon against unfriendly countries in slashdot.
you can rest assured that there is some u.s. friendly clique that is funded by u.s. in russia, just like how there was the muslim brotherhood, an u.s. backed islamist organization, behind ALL the 'revolutions' in all the arab countries, without exception ; they were working for it for 10 years in libya. they were the main force behind egypt's. and in both cases they immediately called for sharia law and also moved to appease certain u.s. interests with awards of contracts.
unfortunately it is a dirty world.
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Exactly. /me rubs nose at you, knowingly.
But he said 'the frequent failure of our space launches, which occur at a time when they are flying over the part of Earth not visible from Russia, where we do not see the spacecraft and do not receive telemetric information, are not clear to us,' an apparent reference to the Americas.
It is thought inducing. Specifically:
1) Reference(s) please to 'frequent' failures without known explanation.
2) Most of the Earth is not visible from Russia. Are these 'frequent' failures all over the same part of the Earth, or is he playing with words?
3) Why do they not receive telemetric information there? They have other satellites to transmit to. A relay should not be difficult to establish. Are these things getting fried there, or could they download this data when the probe is back over Russia (or at least visible from Russia...) if they had saved the data? The probe under discussion is still in orbit- is it still communicating? The BBC article says it "went missing shortly after takeoff in November is due to crash land on Earth this weekend". I'm not sure how the BBC puts those conflicting details in the same sentence, but keep up the typical good work BBC.
4) Do they launch with different trajectories? What is the success rate of those launches?
5) A radar pulse powerful enough to fry a rocket would be detectable far beyond the vicinity of the rocket. Have they detected evidence of such a pulse? Have they failed to detect such evidence during a failed launch?
6) If their probe is not designed to withstand strong EM radiation, why are they a) launching it over a known source of strong EM radiation, b) sending it to Mars in the first place?
7) If it is known that the probe has design problems, and will probably fail its mission, sabotaging the launch is an excellent way to CYA.
Their own propaganda tells them constantly that they are unique, superior to the others, and surrounded by vile enemies that miss no chance to do harm to russia
that was exactly the case. the moment revolution happened in russia, the leader of the FREE world, great britain, landed with 18 other 'free' countries to suppress the 'rebellion' of the people and reinstate tzar and aristocracy in russia.
when they failed, they withdrew their military forces, and this time started to fund the white russians (Royalists) with arms and gold. to kill their own countrymen. when they were beaten too, they started to set up alliances and surround the country, leading to the cold war. the only intermediate pause was in between 2 world wars, and that was thanks to nazis.
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he is. the other side of the world, is closed to russians due to being anglo-american aligned. that's why nato has echelon stations in new zealand, whereas russia does not have a listening station in south africa.
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Yikes!
it's a great place to put high power HF, VHF and UHF for probing atmosphere and van allen radiation belts, which is what HAARP is for. Every dumb ignorant wingnut blames HAARP for hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes....nice to see Russian official sink to that level of brainlessness.
It's not thought-inducing at all. It's Russia being Russia. They have a history of covering up their failures or blaming the United States especially when it comes to space.
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if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13237153
It's stupid and transparent and will ultimately backfire.
I've got news for Mr. Santayana: we're doomed to repeat the past no matter what. That's what it is to be alive.
Well, I dont know anything about it being used to damage satellites but... My father used to be a Radar tech for the airforce in the 60s/70s and worked on bases all over the world. For a while he worked up in Alaska and said the radar installations there were orders of magnitude more powerful than anything he'd ever seen. According to him the old wives tales about cooking a chicken in front of a radar dish are generally BS, but certainly true in Alaska. I guess radar arrays have giant magnets in them (for what purpose I do not know) but the magnets they used in Alaska were so large/powerful that he brought a damaged one home and set it by the door to keep the dog from getting outside. If the dog came anywhere near it the thing would yank on its collar and scare the crap out of it. That's a strong magnet...
Again, I don't know about using them as weapons, but the radar we have in Alaska is certainly powerful.
Blaming HAARP for weird weather isn't brainless. That's how the program was sold to the US military, unless you want to admit that the Pentagon was brainless. The reality seems to be that the scientists wanted funding and knew that the military is gullible.
Think globally but act within local variable scope.
That obviously doesn't include Sarah Palin's house.
(iKid, iKid I know Palin didn't really say that, it was Tina Fey)
Right. Now, how did we manage to get the satellite to point it's solar panels away from the sun?
I thought the theory as to why the spacecraft is in a stable, albeit backwards, orientation was simple: there are enough air molecules in that orbit to apply pressure to the large solar panels, which causes drag and thus rotates the craft so the panels are towards the back. Just like a shuttlecock in badminton.
Better known as 318230.
But only I can have it, nobody else! If somebody dares to get in it, I'll shoot them down with my radio equipment. If they prevail, like the England often do, I shoot the Space instead. I'm a jealous type of a Space lover.
Scientific instrumentation is usually available for rent on a timeshare basis once a proble's initial mission is done. So if a US team wanted to run an experiment on a live probe, they could pay a fraction of the cost to rent the time from Russia. This is the difference between an experiment getting done and one not getting done. From a scientific research perspective, deliberately sabatoging someone else's work is also shooting yourself in the foot. Pay Russia a million bucks to rent two day's time in the Martian atmosphere, or pay a billion bucks to send your own problem with no guarantee it will succeed...
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A problem for Mr Popovkin's blame-game, is that Phobos-Grunt did not pass over Alaska until several hours after it failed.
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I doubt Putin has much to do with it. Conspiracy theories have always been very popular in that part of the world. It's unusual to see a publich official spouting off in that manner, but it's not particularly surprising either.
So Medvedev plans to prosecute............who! As they should know, China didn't just suddenly acquire their space technology overnight. They, like Russia, used every opportunity to hack, spy, bribe, and whatever they needed to get their own space agency just as Russia did. They should be embarrassed to even voice their excuses for their failure. After all, they've been losing space objects from the 50's, long before we perfected our own space shots, but, we had the decency to announce our losses. They didn't. And, how did Russia acquire their own technology? They used every serupticious means to acquire OUR technology but the joke is, they were so pleased to get up into orbit, they didn't get the information to get it back!
He's just trying to get a job on the Russian version of US talk radio
Someone was just sitting there with a powerful space toy, by themselves, as the boss was out, with no orders or anything and went to his coworker.
'Hey..pssst..hey..hey look..it's that Russian space probe..watch this. No really, just watch. I'm going to point our radar at it..shhh..quiet...okay shh...heh heh...okay...watch. (sets to full power.,..bwaroongwwwrerrooonng) 'Omg omg it's backwards, look! (lots of giggle, snickering and almost falling over) shh don't tell anyone we'll get in so much trouble...okay quiet quiet, supervisor is coming from break.
Supervisor: Anything happen while I was gone?
Guy who fapped satillite: (Barely holding laughter) No..no nothing at all...just..you know..scanning n stuff...
...that doesn't apply in politics. Politicians will happily refuse to understand something if a lobby asks them to (and gives them enough money).
Of course it's not their fault. Why take the responsibility when you can blame some unnamed country with radar installations in Alaska! At least when we crashed a several planetary exploration satellites, NASA admitted they goofed and used kilometers instead of feet (or something like that). Rockets and satellites are fairly common, but it still is rocket science and malfunctions do occur. Too bad the US stopped the shuttle program, for a fee they could have retrieved it for the Russians.
Something not working out at home? Blame either the US, Israel, or Islam if you're one of the first two.
Fail at anything = Blame America.
Offer up some kind of evidence or we'll just respond that actually it was your mother.
That's right... your mom. There's just as much evidence backing that... eg none.
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The Russian official is understandably upset. Several crashes in a relatively short amount of time are likely not a coincidence. The American HAARP (if that's what this official is referring to) has been in service (as I understand it) for quite some time. If the technology was new, it would be a likely cause. But its been there for a long time. Likewise, Russia has an excellent view of the airspace over Alaska, its almost like they have a large piece of land immediately west of Alaska. The Russian space program *has* had a very long string of success. Their rocket designs are quite old, tried, tested, proven, and very very reliable. You can blame it on the US if you are just making noise, but I would suggest other places to search before making accusations. If the detailed investigation leads to the US and their HAARP system for some reason, then it becomes a known provable issue, at which they can either modify their design to not be affected by the American signals (Faraday Cage), or ask the Americans to temporarily shut down their systems during launch, or both.
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RE:"2) Most of the Earth is not visible from Russia. Are these 'frequent' failures all over the same part of the Earth, or is he playing with words?" Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house..
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I can't help but wonder why they want to blame the failures on the use of the HAARP site in Alaska. There was much to be gained from that dirt they were going to collect and bring back. When we went to the moon during the Apollo 11-16 missions and collected moon rocks, we shared those with scientists around the world. I would find it hard to believe that Russia would have not done the same thing with the soil / rock samples it would have collected from this mission.
America now also uses Russian rockets, this setback in the Russian space program hurts them just as much.
it never ends. I lived in the EU last decade and remember listening to Russian English news after one of their subs sank. They were hysterical that a US sub that arrived in the area to help was actually only pretending to help to cover up the fact that it had secretly sunk the sub itself. There is a significant faction still in power that blames everything that goes wrong on sabotage by the West. They are not friendly.
"I didn't spend six years in Evil Medical School to be called 'Mr.Evil,' thank you very much!"
It's not always about us... he's clearly trying to Blame Canada.
Actually it's just Vlad the impotent laying the ground work to start the cold war all over again. Just in time for him to ride to the rescue... ...jooost vait and ze comrade...
People still harping about the evil that that place supposedly does.
Undetectable Steganography? Yep, there's an app fo
What's next? The Zionists have a base on the dark side of the moon to shoot down probes that are successfully launched?
It couldnt' possibly be HAARP. HAARP was destroyed when Remo Williams broke into the facility it was being developed in. And it never worked anyway.
TFA is firewalled, so I only have the quote to go by, but the first thing I have to ask is, why? If it's truly a Mars mission designed to land on a moon and return as advertised, what possible reason would any other country have to prevent that?
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
That's what they want you to think!
approach is failing. Creating an enemy to be angry at helps politician create a them to use for FUD.
Its a ridiculous proposal. The US has nothing to gain, and need to Russians to keep send stuff to space. There is no win in doing this.
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Before they go about implying such things, they might want to put an idea out there.
What is on Mars, or Phobos?
3) ... The BBC article says it "went missing shortly after takeoff in November is due to crash land on Earth this weekend". I'm not sure how the BBC puts those conflicting details in the same sentence, but keep up the typical good work BBC.
Not exactly conflicting. By "went missing", they mean they weren't able to establish a communications link with it. It was then subsequently found both visually by amateur astronomers and by radar tracking stations. This allowed an orbital trajectory to be determined, and also indicated that it was tumbling. So while they aren't able to communicate with it, they know exactly where it is and where it is going.
that is urban legend bullshit. the purpose of HAARP is well known, and was funded for that purpose: ionospheric research. The experiments are open, researchers and students come their from all over the world without security clearance, there are open house tours for the public.
the problem is, see, despite u.s. has an extensive satellite network, it still uses ground based monitoring stations to monitor even the shuttle. at least, it did. so, apparently there are some important stuff that cant just be done through satellites.
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what were the purposes of various secret programs of the past, now declassified, you think ? you will find even stupider excuses for those programs, totally irrelevant to what they were made for. just go through the disclosed stuff.
actually proposing that high powered electromagnetic fields cannot affect the weather whereas the entire planet is an electromagnet maintaining a huge magnetic field itself, is stupid.
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The Russian government has problems with their space craft and routinely blame America for it...
The Russian Mafia seems to be able to consistantly out maneuver the US Government and law agencys bilking millions of dollars a year from citizens around the world with simple online scams and complex hacks...
Seems to be the Russian Mafia is more tech savy than the Russian Government... Just turn the space agency over to them to run for a few years and Russian will be colonizing Mars before the end of the decade...
Other countries? You've got to look at who would really have benefited from the failure. Who also caused the problems with other Mars explorers. Metric v. Imperial? A good excuse, but who managed to make sure the units weren't converted correctly? Who ensured that the "successful" Mars rovers landed on particularly uninteresting parts of the planet? There's really only one choice: The Martian Intelligence Service. Clearly they don't want us Earthlings to know what they're cooking up out there. Probably because it's some kind of world-destroying weapon poised to turn Earth into a second asteroid belt.
or is it because there has been an attempt to set up a clique to control russia just like the cliques set up in entire middle east and balkans ?
just a few years ago, russian government has shut down all operations of a turkey based islamist 'charity' organization - hundreds of schools, dormitories they set up in russia were closed and taken into russian ministry of education's control in one day. in contrast, the governments of tunusia, syria, egypt, libya were not able to do that, or have not done that. all of them were exclusively toppled by the organization named 'muslim brotherhood' - which orchestrated all the revolution and all the digitization that went with it, apparently prepared beforehand for the eventuality.
in the wake of these, it is naive to say that the opposition in russia is just there because of the need for opposition. russia, and china are the only two countries on this planet in which american corporate interests do not have a clout to have what they want done.
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Hmm.. knowing how the military plays with acronyms I always had a gut feeling that HARP was used to stimulate the ionosphere. Have you ever seen what's constructed there ?
Or it could be the shoddy quality of everything that Russia produces.
As we all know, the Nazis have a base on the dark side of the moon since the end of WW2.
They used one of their UFO's to interfere with Phobos-Grunt, as they are scared of Russia confirming existence of their secret base when the probe passes by on its way to Mars.
They're not worried about the US as
a) The US already found out when Werner Von Braun joined the US "paperclip" project.
b) With the demise of NASA's Apollo and space shuttle projects, the US no longer qualify as a space-capable government.
The moon nazis are now however significantly worried about the British, specifically Richard Branson. Wait for all the mysterious UFO sightings and technical problems during the first flights of Whiteknight2/Spaceship2.
That cute Russian fella thinks a sophisticated technology is what's killing his junky space Yugo. Sooo adorable. It's like a small child wandered into space exploration and now his soup can space rocket don't work and he don't know what's going on. Awwwwwww!!!
Is that America is longer concerned with Russia. Russia is not considered a real force by the American government, neither military or economic.
Sweden is a more serious competitor to American interest than Russia.
This is completely unacceptable to Russian pride, but eventually Russian society will have to come to terms with reality.
It's fair turnabout after the torsion field induced crashes of shuttles Challenger and Columbia...
As long as they guy is talking the usual soviet era nonsense, let's talk about one of the times I know of where Russia actually sabotaged an American planetary probe. Does anybody remember the incident where the Deep Space Network is listenening to the probe play back data (or maybe for some reason it was coming back in real time, I dunno.) And all od a sudden the faint transmisiion of the probe is blown away by the soviets using that frequency, that nobody buy guys who are gettimg messages from Jupiter would ever use. And this goes on for half a day or more. I remeber it because it was news. Real news, this was a time when there was intennet, you had exactly 90 minutes of news a day. Local at 6pm, National at 6:30pm, than local at 11pm. That was it. And nobody gave damn about space back then, so if Conkrite was talking about an unmanned probe, it was actual news.
Then the Russians stiooped, NASA said it's usual happy lie, "Well, it's not ideal, but we got 90% of the data we wanted." And that was that.
I did a 20 second Wiki search nothing jumped out. And it may have been one of Pionner's to the Gas Giants, not a Voyager. But I know it happened. It's been burned into my brain. I was a little kid, and I was bitchin and moaning and asking why we hadn't gon Defcon1 over this and such . . . so it happened.
The irony is this guy complaining about US sabotage might have been a part of this sabotage of a US program.
We have shot dead at least 1262 Hydrogen powered USA CIA Agents. Just watch this execution of a CIA agent Amir Mirza In Iran. This will be shown to American's live on TV as a warning.
If you value life; China, Russia, Poland, North Korea, Syria, Palestine, Afghanistan and and Iraqis are backing Iran. Who do you think will win?
The United Skates of America are playing with fire..... and as we say you might have won the war but your never won the battle.
Just do not go there.
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"Members of the Council, the Blue World denizens are only now waking up to the role played by our eight fallen warriors in stopping the Phobos-Grunt invader before it could leave Blue World orbit. Let us again grunt our glee at their success!"
When a Council guard failed to grunt his glee loudly enough, K'Breel had the guard seized and his gel-sacs sauteed. The Council then proceeded to grunt its glee again for a solid hour.
What Mr Popovkin is suspicious of is the fact that the failures occur during the time the spacecraft is flying over US territory. And if for some reason the US wanted to damage the receiver of the satellite, that is possible using HPM (High Power Microwave) unless the receiver is specifically designed to defend against that by using limiter diodes between the receiver and the antenna. The only issue is that these protection techniques introduce additional loss, usually on the order of 1 or 2dB, which makes the receiver's front-end preamplifier less sensitive and directly adds to the receiver noise figure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_figure
There are other naturally occurring HPM events though, such as lightning strikes in the Earth atmosphere. The satellite antenna looking down on the Earth receives those broadband HPM events too, if they occur within the beamwidth of the antenna (or the antenna sidelobes).
But why would the US want to damage a Russian Mars probe? That doesn't seem to be something that would be in the US's interest.
How else do you think it is possible that their space program is making progress while ours stagnates at present levels?
Marvin the Martian, of course!
but it only takes a strip of cloth to stop an American satellite.
Their they're doing there hair.
Did I do that?
The factuality of moon landings depend on race. Only WASP (white anglo-saxon protestant) males claimed to step on the Moon or fly around her. There is zero reason any woman, negro, redskin, slavic or an asian person should believe a redneck or a yankee guy.
Any future humanned Moon mission should include multi-gender and widely multi-ethnic crew as a proof of veracity, because all experience and proof is necessarily subjective, thus you only believe what your brothers attest to, not some pale-face!
When you screw-up, blame "nefarious outside forces."
Works every time.
Regards;
i didnt say i was hypothesizing. i described what happened in turkey in the last 15 years. and it had no exaggerations or metaphors in it. not only that, but it didnt happen outside my social circle, my own direct life experience either - a lot of it was experienced first hand, through relatives or friends or classmates. all of these were being openly discussed and criticized in national newspapers until 5 years ago. 5 years ago the current islamist party then in power started to come down on any media outlet that was discussing these openly, and foreclose on their assets through dubious tax investigations, then selling them to prominent islamist figures from their own community through 0 interest, very long term loans from government's lending bank.
currently prime minister of turkey regularly calls the remaining media holdings' execs to meetings and tells them what he does not want to be discussed in media. and everyone obeys.
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