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The eBook Backlash

Hugh Pickens writes "The NY Times reports that people who read ebooks on tablets like the iPad are beginning to realize that while a book in print is straightforward and immersive, a tablet is more like a 21st-century cacophony than a traditional solitary activity offering a menu of distractions that can fragment the reading experience, or stop it in its tracks. 'The tablet is like a temptress,' says James McQuivey. 'It's constantly saying, "You could be on YouTube now." Or it's sending constant alerts that pop up, saying you just got an e-mail. Reading itself is trying to compete.' There are also signs that publishers are cooling on tablets for e-reading. A recent survey by Forrester Research showed that 31 percent of publishers believed iPads and similar tablets were the ideal e-reading platform; one year ago, 46 percent thought so. Then there's Jonathan Franzen, regarded as one of America's greatest living novelists, who says consumers have been conned into thinking they need the latest technology and that e-books can never have the magic of the printed page. 'I think, for serious readers, a sense of permanence has always been part of the experience. Everything else in your life is fluid, but here is this text that doesn't change.'"

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  1. That's why I like the basic Kindle by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Keep your tablets and Fire, thank you very much. I like the fact that a basic Kindle allows for NO distractions while you're reading. Even the ad-supported model will only show ads during menu screens, never while you're reading. The e-ink looks a lot crisper than anything on a conventional tablet too. And a single 3-hour charge can last for weeks. I imagine the basic Nook has a similar setup too.

    The only advantage I can see with a tablet is for reading comic books or other books with lots of large, color-intensive graphics. Otherwise, you'd be a lot better off just spending the $80 for an actual dedicated e-reader. The text won't give you a headache, there are no distractions, and you won't be constantly recharging it.

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    1. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by DarkOx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I completely agree with you. One thing you left out that I think people who have really not compared the experience on both types of devices is that e-ink really is a vastly better way to read lots of text. I can read much faster and more comfortably on my Kindle than on the iPad. The quality fonts etc is very good on both but there is something to be said for reading on a display that is not backlit. Especially if you try to read out doors.

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    2. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I agree. For novels I always use the Kindle, and it's perfect at that. Although I use the iPad for computer science PDFs. IMHO syntax highlighting and diagrams require a color display and a higher res.

    3. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Guspaz · · Score: 4, Informative

      We'll probably eventually get decent colour out of e-ink, although I doubt the refresh rate will ever be fast enough for real-time motion. The whole "physically moving around ink capsules" probably would prevent that sort of thing. And you know what? That's fine. I don't need fast refresh rates on my e-reader, just fast enough to make page turns workable. The current speeds are good enough, although I wouldn't complain if they got bumped up anyhow.

      I'm much happier reading on my Kindle 3 than a "real" book, particularly when comparing to a hardcover. My kindle is a fraction the weight and size of a hardcover. I can slip my kindle into a pocket or backpack, while a good sized hardcover is not nearly as portable. My kindle is also far easier to read in bed than a hardcover.

      The advantages are less when comparing to paperbacks, but there are still size advantages there, not to mention durability; a lot of my older paperbacks are pretty worn out from re-reading, while an eBook (particularly a DRM-free one from Baen) will never wear out.

    4. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by casper75 · · Score: 1

      Your reasonging was true for me as well. I got the Nook Simple Touch for Christmas. It was exactly what I wanted- I can download a new book (instant gratification) but I'm not distracted by the ability to go on reddit/slashdot/facebook/whatever. I just read the book I wanted to read. The display is really nice and as you said, the battery lasts for a LONG time. It was a good choice.

    5. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      If I had a vote to give, I would vote you up for this. Saying that full-fledged tablets are not ideal for reading is one thing, using that to bash the ebook idea entirely is another. Kindle (and similar, I assume) eReaders provide a very book-like experience for me. I still buy hardbacks for my favorite authors because I like to have their books on my shelves, but the Kindle has been great for reading and discovering new series.

    6. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I agree, I got my 11 year old daughter a Nook for Christmas (the Nook is not ad-supported). We talked about multi-tasking and I told her a got her the Nook specifically because it's a SINGLE-tasking device, and she got it.

      I hope the next generation develops some sort of immunity to distraction because, whoops, here I am on slashdot again.

    7. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by franciscohs · · Score: 1

      Completely agree. When people ask me about the kindle, and if it has internet, or other features I tell them it doesn't (although it does in a very primitive way) and that I wouldn't like it to have them. Keep it as simple as it is, I don't want new features, just fix the image viewer and other bugs.

    8. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Theophany · · Score: 0, Troll

      Can't say I've ever had a problem reading books on my iPad. But then, I don't have the attention span of a Ritalin-addled toddler.

      If the book is any good, distractions shouldn't be an issue. People getting distracted from reading your book? Perhaps that's more a reflection on the quality of your writing, rather than any other convenient excuse...

    9. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For $7 you can buy the paperback that you never have to plug in deal with DRM or annoying ads unless you're reading magazines. Those subscription cards that get int he way of flipping pages, and fall out at your feet are almost as bad as Flash ads with sound.

    10. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by NotNormallyNormal · · Score: 1

      I agree. I use a kobo now and I doubt I will rarely buy a paper book again. Tablets are too big and bulky - my wife even dumped her iPad for reading and bought a kobo too. Colour would be nice if you read magazines or something, but for printed word, the straight eReader is great - Compact, light weight and I will never lose my bookmark!

    11. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 1

      I agree with you 100%. I have a 3rd-gen kindle dedicated e-reader with e-ink while my Galaxy Nexus functions as both my tablet and smartphone. Seeing as I do so many things on the Galaxy Nexus (phone, email, notes, to-do list, web surfing, games, etc) it would be WAY too much of a distraction for reading. Besides it (Kindle e-ink) is much easier on the eyes and allows my Kindle to last for a month on a single battery charge, whereas my Galaxy Nexus has to be recharged every day.

    12. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by TheGreatOrangePeel · · Score: 1

      I agree with parent, but have no mod points to give. Really the title on /. should read more like, "The backlash against reading eBooks on tablets" which TFA got right ("Finding Your Book Interrupted ... By the Tablet You Read It On") but the mark got missed on /. because it gets more attention this way.

    13. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by centuren · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Slashdot headline & summary is a little misleading. The article isn't about an ebook backlash, it's about people reading ebooks on tablets and the ease of distraction. It's no surprise people are getting distracted trying to read a book using ebook reader software running on a tablet that's meant for checking Facebook, email, watching videos and the like. Ebooks can be read on computers, tablets, and smart phones. I read ebooks using Aldiko on my Android phone for a couple years before I finally bought a Kindle Touch, and my Kindle is approximately as likely to distract me from my reading as a paperback. The phone has always been a successful platform on which to read ebooks, but I never expected the notifications, messages, etc that are a big part of the reason I own a smart phone to go away (and let my level of distraction be on my own head).

    14. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by b0bby · · Score: 1

      The only times I get annoyed with my nook are when there are illustrations like maps and photos and there's no way to zoom in to get a decent view - right now I'm reading 1493 by Charles Mann, and most of the maps are essentially unreadable. Mostly though, it's great - easy to read, long battery life, no distractions.
      Magazines on tablets, on the other hand, are also great - the color and the interactivity are a plus there, and with shorter articles the interruptions aren't bad. You can also turn off most notifications if you don't want to be pestered.

    15. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      It's not a problem with tablets or ebooks, it's a PEBCAK problem. If your email client isn't open, your email won't distract you. If your IM client is closed, your IM won't distract you.

    16. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by stephencrane · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mod up. This is primarily why I got the Nook Simple Touch. (That, plus it can be rooted, reads epub, and there are already lots of easy ways to buy from Amazon.) Dedicated single-purpose devices, so long as they are inexpensive enough, tend to have the advantage over multi-purpose devices. I have an iPad, and they're two totally different animals. I only read pdfs on the ipad.

    17. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm writing this from my tablet as we speak, but personally I don't get why 'distractions' are such an issue. I'm quite content to simply read an ebook and I have enough discipline to avoid distractions if I want. Usually however simple distractions like an IM from a friend are equally distracting on my tablet and for a real book. I may opt to answer a message or not on either, but those simple distractions are not really bothersome to me either way.

      On the other hand a tablet makes a very nice computing device for other things I may want or need to do and not just for reading books. The fact that I don't need to own multiple computing devices that can only handle a single function is very important to me.

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    18. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by _KiTA_ · · Score: 1

      Keep your tablets and Fire, thank you very much. I like the fact that a basic Kindle allows for NO distractions while you're reading. Even the ad-supported model will only show ads during menu screens, never while you're reading. The e-ink looks a lot crisper than anything on a conventional tablet too. And a single 3-hour charge can last for weeks. I imagine the basic Nook has a similar setup too.

      The only advantage I can see with a tablet is for reading comic books or other books with lots of large, color-intensive graphics. Otherwise, you'd be a lot better off just spending the $80 for an actual dedicated e-reader. The text won't give you a headache, there are no distractions, and you won't be constantly recharging it.

      I have a Gen 2 Kindle, and am seriously considering a FIre. Why? The Gen 2 Kindle (not sure about the later e-ink models -- would love to know for sure) simply don't handle PDFs very well, at all. And all the textbooks I use in class? Most easily available in eBook form as PDFs.

    19. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the same reasoning for me. Plus I don't want to stare at another LCD screen when reading the book. The e-ink is simply more comfortable to read from.

      For me, a tablet is good for complicated things - magazines and pdfs and such. That's about it. Definitely not books.

    20. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by steelfood · · Score: 3

      There's still one thing you can't do on a printed book: retcon.

      Imagine if Lucas took all of your Star Wars VHS's (including the ones you recorded off the TV) and made Han shoot first in all of them.

      Give me a printed page any day.

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    21. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a counterpoint, I've switched solely to my tablet for reading. (Have physical books sitting around to read, but never get to them.) Specifically, I'm reading on an Asus Transformer TF101, using Google Books for purchased stuff, and a mixture of Overdrive, Kindle, and Aldiko apps for library books depending upon the type. And no, you couldn't persuade me to switch to a Kindle. I have more than enough devices to carry around already; my tablet is used for far more than just book reading, so I won't be ditching it. If I have to have a dedicated device, there's no advantage to me over just carrying a book. (I don't switch back and forth randomly between books; I read them sequentially.) As for readability, I find my tablet's screen with antialiased text to be significantly easier on my eyes than the likes of Kindle. And to be honest, there are distractions in real life too; if you can't avoid the distractions on the tablet, you can't avoid them in real life either. (Not to mention you can squash most of those distractions simply by turning on Airplane mode.)

    22. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by shadowmas · · Score: 1

      The best reader for me is my computer, Desktop or Laptop. I find both much easier to read than any other device or even dead book format. Maybe it's just me, but I don't get distracted when I'm reading unless I want to be distracted (i.e. boring book). I can easily read a book on a PC for a couple of hours, and in some cases I have downloaded a copy off the internet, after having bought the physical book because it's just more convenient to read on a PC.

      The problem for me is reading ebooks are the lousy eBook reader software. What I do is decrypt the books and extract the HTML, then read them through the browser. I have a couple of bookmarklets which does some nice formatting to the text. Gives a very nice format with my preferred fonts in my preferred size hence no eyestrain.

      If you think about it almost everyone is already doing most of the reading on the PC when browsing the net, and yet they find it difficult to read a book on it. I think this is more of a psychological barrier than a physical barrier. In my mind whenever I read a physical book I try to press Ctrl+F to find stuff and groans when I realize 'yeah it's a deadtree format'.

      Only special case for having a printed book is useful is for something like a datasheet where you need to keep referring to a page while having other stuff open in both your monitors. But then this is only due to limited monitor count/space.

      But maybe that's just me.

    23. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Even on the iPad, illustrations and maps are pretty substandard. That's my biggest beef with Amazon's offerings. They seem to use some horribly compressed jpg that doesn't scale to the full reader screen, much less above that. It's a real problem with anything other than pure text.

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    24. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love my Kindle 4 for all those reasons, and because there's a Calibre plugin that lets me strip the DRM from ebooks I buy. That's all I ever wanted - a reasonable price, good selection, convenient delivery, and the freedom to do what I wish with my files.

    25. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The advantages are less when comparing to paperbacks, but there are still size advantages

      One big size advantage is the size of the text. For many of us, the fixed size of test in printed books is not a problem. But for people who's eyesight has diminished, it can be the difference between being able to read for any significant amount of time and not. My mom is a lifelong, voracious reader. But about 8 years ago, her reading dropped significantly because she had eyesight problems. When the original Kindle came out, I got her one and showed her how to make the text larger. It has (forgive the pun) rekindled her interest in reading. She's now got 3 Kindles, is back to the 1+ book/week pace and loving it again.

    26. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by jaca44 · · Score: 0

      The great advantage of the eBook to me is when I travel. As a voracious reader on, say a 2 month trip, book weight/volume used to make up a lot of my flight allowance, so the (basic) Kindle in particular is great, with my HP Touchpad a clear 2nd; keep that for magazines and vids. My complaint is that non fiction is not well represented in eBook format and that, given the saving to the publishers and distributors, the price is still high.

    27. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by na1led · · Score: 1

      I use both my HP Touchpad and kindle. For reading a book, nothing beats a simple Kindle, even enjoying audio books is nice.

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    28. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by spd_rcr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Completely agree.
      I'm reading way more now on my Kindle Touch than I was before. While the cost of books is about the same regardless the format, physical vs e-book, I only like to keep really good hardcovers in our library. With the Kindle I can find a quiet seat almost anywhere and immerse myself because I can carry it anywhere and when one book is finished, I just select the next book and carry on.

      Tablets are not e-book readers, they're little computer screens. I don't like reading anything for very long on the computer, even code I want to go over, I'll print out to review. If it's not interactive,

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    29. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by lymond01 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Completely agree on the text. After reading a few books on my iPhone, reading on the Kindle is like reading a normal book page. I can go for hours without any eye strain. One thing that sold me on the Kindle was the "Free Sample" you can get with most books. Could be anything from 10 to 100 pages of a book, but especially in the dodgy-writing realm of Sci-Fi/Fantasy, it's key to be able to sample the writing before buying. Bookstores let you do that, and the Kindle does as well. There are also authors giving away free books which opens up a whole other world.

      Chris

    30. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      Don't forget animated and/or interactive "books" like this ones to the list of better-in-tablet books.

      Being meant for a media so easy to distract you will call for a do-not-disturb background app/mode, in fact, wonder if some of the book reading apps don't have a setting to disable all distractions... trying to watch a movie and getting a notification will do similar harm as reading books.

    31. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      Basic e-ink readers are fantastic for reading things in one direction start to finish. Things like novels, biographies, etc.

      I love my simple kindle.

      E-ink devices suck at anything with diagrams or text books that need flipping through back and forth. They definately have uses- but they are not a solution for all things book.

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    32. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by vonshavingcream · · Score: 1

      I do not have any of the problems reading a book on the Fire that this article suggests. In fact I read more now than I did, because I can carry one item along and read many books.

    33. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by hal2814 · · Score: 2

      Indeed. The Kindle is for people who like to read. The Kindle Fire is for people who like the idea of reading.

    34. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      I completely agree with you. One thing you left out that I think people who have really not compared the experience on both types of devices is that e-ink really is a vastly better way to read lots of text. I can read much faster and more comfortably on my Kindle than on the iPad. The quality fonts etc is very good on both but there is something to be said for reading on a display that is not backlit. Especially if you try to read out doors.

      This is really something to consider - lighting. When I read in bed a bit of backlight would be good, but when I'm sitting in my car (only place I can find peace and quiet) during lunch, no backlighting is required, but ability to read in full, partial sunlight or shade would be desireable.

      As it is, I'm still hooked on dead trees editions because they require no battery and survive treatment I wouldn't subject any kind of e-reader to.

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    35. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by AJH16 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, I believe this article belongs in the "No Shit" category. Tablets are back lit devices that are not well suited for lengthy reading to begin with, let alone the fact that such a multifunction device is distracting to use. That said, I think they are fantastic for research reading, where having quick access to a variety of sources of information is ideal. For casual or relaxed reading however, e-ink is the go to technology if you are looking to lose the paperback.

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    36. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by bhagwad · · Score: 1

      Yep. I do NO reading on my tablet. My nook is all I need. The ONLY thing I use my tablet for is reading comics...which I have to admit is the best comic reading experience I have ever had.

    37. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Han *did* shoot first, nerfherder!

    38. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, I didn't have the opportunity to make the right choice. Grandma bought my son a Kindle fire because she thought it would allow him to play games on a bigger screen than the ipod touch.

      I filled it full of books and I have to police it like a maximum security facility to ensure he actually _reads_ on it once in a while.

    39. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by DrgnDancer · · Score: 2

      There's tradeoffs either way. I love the fact that my Nook (I use the Color and don't personally have any trouble with headaches or distractions, though I can see how people might) has dozens of books in one place. When I moved recently I literally had hundreds of paperback that I donated, gave away, and generally had to get rid of. Even after that culling I have four large shelves (and a few smaller ones) full of books in an apartment that's really too small for it. Since then I have bought all e-books, and they all fit into my one Nook. I'll still go for the dead tree on a few specific authors and series that I have in all hardback, but for my habit of consuming a paperback in three days, e-books are much more efficient.

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    40. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by aqui · · Score: 2

      The Publishers and book sellers are their own worst enemy.

      I've found I use my tablet extensively for reading, but I've stopped using kobo and other vendor supplied readers because of their built in advertizing spam / preview "features" that couldn't be turned off. One reader went as far as to start downloading "sample" books on my 3G connection. At that point I had to firewall the app to keep it from wasting my data plan bytes. The app was shortly replaced shortly after that.

      I use my e-reader exclusively for: 1) portability, 2) the convenience of getting either library books online or public domain works freely available.

      I bought a few e-books in the beginning but found myself often wishing I could lend the book to someone and share it. That meant in some cases I had to buy a second book.

      At this point I don't plan to buy any more e-books (unless they are DRM free) except in special circumstances where I use the book as a reference so much that portability (it weighs nothing extra and I can have it with me anytime I have my tablet) out weighs all the negatives of DRM.

      We've seen content platforms "turned off" before, or lost with the old device as well, and the slight loss in portability of a paper book is outweighed by the ability to share, or resell the book.

      As for using a tablet to read: I want a tablet for other things as well, and having an integrated device with multiple functions just makes sense (As long as the applications are configurable I can manage the distractions with self discipline, and/or by turning notifications OFF), the idea of carrying 2 devices is just nonsense.

      If they could make it possible to share books, (aka loan them to someone) and would make them DRM free enough so that I can be certain I will have them even if the publisher goes out of business or my device dies (aka I can copy them and they are in an open standard document format) then I will likely buy lots of e-books simply for the convenience of use and portability over paper (plus they take up a lot less room).

      I ride the subway daily, and in an informal survey I would say well over 70% of people reading with an e-reader are not using a dedicated e-reader but a more capable tablet (either i-pad or android based tablet).

      I use my tablet as an e-reader daily for at least 1-2 hours if not more.

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    41. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      It really depends on how/when/where you read. If you like to knock out a chapter whenever possible, it's great to be able to use your phone as an e-reader... I'm loving my Galaxy Nexus for this. That doesn't prevent me from having an E-Ink reader on my bed-side-table though - the lack of synchronization options is what's preventing that. Yes, Kindle + Kindle Apps are perfect in this regard, but can I continue to use all my old morally grey (buy the paperback, read digitally) TXT, LIT and EPUB files? No ****ing way I'm buying all those books again (I like to re-read a lot)...

      Other e-readers are much better in terms of file format compatibility, but I haven't seen any with the synchronization options offered by the Kindle ecosystem...

      Any suggestions?

    42. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I love eink readers. I love them. The display is incredible, the battery life is great, and they come much further than any other device to emulating the experience of reading printed text.

      I have one problem, though, and that's that current eink readers really can't handle complex formatting very well, and especially can't actually handle pdfs very well.

      They can technically display pdfs, but until they can reliably display a randomly selected IEEE Transactions journal paper pdf, or a Proceedings of the National Academy of Science paper pdf, I can't rely on them for the sort of reading I do on a regular basis.

      I suspect this will change in the future, but now it's the one thing that keeps me from jumping into eink completely. I use my Nook for reading all sorts of simple text (where it's *just* text, maybe with isolated images), but it's not quite there yet for the full range of documents I encounter.

      Color is nice, and maybe I'm showing my age, but I lived for a long time where B&W photocopies were pretty common--so it seems like a luxury more than a necessity. Displaying tables, formulas, images, etc., however is a necessity for me.

      The pdf display is the one reason I think about LCD tablets. Other than that, I'd stick to my laptop or notebook. I understand why people like the LCD tablets, but for me they just don't allow me to get enough work done. Having an eink device display pdfs when I just want to read something, and having a full-powered mobile device for everything else would be ideal, but I don't think we're quite there yet.

      I also don't think printed text is going anywhere. No digital device will be able to replicate the quality and permanence of a good printed text. I suspect temporary products, with a short shelf-life (magazines, newspapers, etc.) might disappear, but for something I really love, I'll continue to shell out the extra money for a nice printed edition (or get it from the library).

    43. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We'll probably eventually get decent colour out of e-ink, although I doubt the refresh rate will ever be fast enough for real-time motion. The whole "physically moving around ink capsules" probably would prevent that sort of thing.

      When an elderly and distinguished scientist says something is impossible, he's usually wrong. What hope have you got?

    44. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's far easier (at least with a new book) to determine approximately where you were reading if you fell asleep and the book fell out of your hands onto the floor (there tends to be a "discontinuity" in the pages when looking at the end, due to the likely slight crease in the spine where you were last at that isn't in the pages you haven't read yet) than going back through on a Kindle because you fell asleep pushing the "Next Page" button, and it's zoomed all the way to the end of the book... I also find it a bit easier to scan the pages to jog my memory where I could have been close with a book than on my Kindle...

      That being said, loading a Kindle up with a bunch of e-books is easier to lug about than a backpack full of the physical books...

    45. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Cinder6 · · Score: 2

      The basic Kindle is great. I was a holdout for years, but I finally broke down and got a Touch a couple weeks ago.

      That said, I still just can't bring myself to trust either the publishers or device makers (in this case, Amazon and Apple) not to try to screw me. I look at these Kindle ebooks, and the vast majority of the ones I'd be interested in buying are full retail price. I'm not saying they should be free--far from it; authors deserve compensation, publishers have to pay for marketing, etc.--but they should, at the very least, subtract the cost of actually printing and shipping the book to the retailer. I have a hard time justifying paying full price for a digital item that could, at any moment, be remotely deleted from my device (which has happened before).

      What I've been doing is downloading unprotected MOBI files from other sources, but only for books I already own and have paid for--I see nothing unethical in that. And since I like having physical books (which are superior in some edge cases), I plan on continuing this practice when I buy new books. In the rare event that I can get a (very) cheap used copy, and the Kindle book is priced low enough to justify it, I'll buy the Kindle version for the X-Ray and Text-to-Speech features (the former being very useful in some cases, the latter marginally so).

      On the hardware side, I wish that the Kindle had better resolution and higher contrast. I'd wish that it was in color, but since none of my textbooks are ever available on the Kindle, it's something of a moot point. I also wish they could find a way to solve the lighting issue. You don't get reflections, but it can still be nigh unreadable in direct, artificial light. Light diffuses across the screen and creates significant glare.

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    46. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by HereIAmJH · · Score: 2

      Have you tried using Calibre to convert the PDFs to MOBI? Depending on the type of book it works pretty well. If the PDF is published text, as opposed to scans or images, it works good. I struggled with PDFs too, fonts too small and page sizes wrong, etc. Most of what I want to carry on my kindle converts well.

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    47. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by ghostdoc · · Score: 1

      It doesn't work like that. You use a library manager to manage your books and that stops anyone else being able to mess with them (cos they're just files on your PC once off the device).
      Your canon is safe :)

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    48. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      Keep your tablets and Fire, thank you very much. I like the fact that a basic Kindle allows for NO distractions while you're reading. Even the ad-supported model will only show ads during menu screens, never while you're reading. The e-ink looks a lot crisper than anything on a conventional tablet too. And a single 3-hour charge can last for weeks. I imagine the basic Nook has a similar setup too.

      The only advantage I can see with a tablet is for reading comic books or other books with lots of large, color-intensive graphics. Otherwise, you'd be a lot better off just spending the $80 for an actual dedicated e-reader. The text won't give you a headache, there are no distractions, and you won't be constantly recharging it.

      I wholeheartedly agree.
      However, I don’t see the problem with comic books and the like. Not in the long run. Color e-ink is just around the corner, and I should think I’ll be replacing my Kindle once color e-ink screens become the norm. I’m more than happy with my Kindle Keyboard, though, so I’m in no hurry. But once it happens, I’ll be waiting.

      I don’t care about tablets. Not in that way, at least. I might use a tablet if I were given one (I’m not in the mood for spending my own money on one), but only for surfing and other computer-related stuff. If I want to read, I’ll get my Kindle. And if I find something on the internet that I want to read later, I’ll use klip.me to send it to my Kindle. Not to mention Calibre and its news-fetching capabilities.

      So yeah. Keep your tablets.

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    49. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by DogDude · · Score: 1

      What in the world does "recon" mean?

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    50. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also agree here. The Kindle Fire is a great tablet, but it goes to be more of a media consumption device as opposed to a dedicated e-reader.

      As a compromise, I've found the venerable Kindle Keyboard 3G the best for an e-reader. No, it isn't good for detailed, colored charts. This is far better handled by a tablet or a computer. However, for sitting back and reading a novel with no distractions (no E-mail pop-ups, no whistles about incoming texts), it is unparalleled. If I want something more to read, it is pretty easy to download something from Amazon, or perhaps E-mail some PDFs to the device.

    51. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      Holding down the Kindle's "next page" button will go forward a single page, no matter how long you hold it down for. At least, this is the case on the Kindle 3.

    52. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a kindle fire (typing this on it) and a regular kindle v2. I kept the eink one because it thought I'd hate the fire for reading. As it turns out, the back light makes all the difference.

    53. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by hrvatska · · Score: 2

      I bought a few e-books in the beginning but found myself often wishing I could lend the book to someone and share it. That meant in some cases I had to buy a second book.

      This is my biggest problem with my Kindle. I enjoy giving away and lending books that I found worthwhile and think someone else may also find worth reading, the Kindle doesn't provide a convenient means of doing this. Yes, I've used Calibre to strip away DRM, but it really shouldn't have to work like that. Additionally, I frequently give books away to people who aren't prone to reading books on the computer. When my Kindle was new I purchased books for it. After a while I grew frustrated with not being able to give them away. These days I rarely purchase books for my Kindle; most of what I have on it is free public domain works. I enjoy my Kindle, I think it's great for reading fiction, I just don't care to purchase books for it.

    54. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      ...except DRM ensures that you are never actual in control of anything. You can't simply copy things. Your "library manager" is there to make sure you're not a pirate. It's not there to do your bidding. It's there to do Amazon or Apple's bidding.

      The DRM authority could revoke your rights at any time or revise works without your consent or knowledge.

      It's not just an electronic copy that's trivial to change. It's an electronic copy that's trivial to change that isn't even in your control.

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    55. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      Well, I expect touch models to develop some better bookmarks; that’ll solve the flipping back and forth. Diagrams, images and color will have to wait for color screens and larger screen sizes.

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    56. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Keep your tablets and Fire, thank you very much. I like the fact that a basic Kindle allows for NO distractions while you're reading.

      I have no problems with distractions when I'm reading a book on my Fire. I have enver had anyhting pop up, nor do I ever get teh urge to switch to something else on it. I think it all comes down to whether or not you enjoy what you are reading, or even enjoy reading in general. If teh book is interesting enough, it will keep you from getting distracted. I don't get much time to read anymore, so when I do I am reading to relax. When you are in the frame of mind to just relax, it makes focusing on reading even easier.

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    57. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by erpbridge · · Score: 1

      Well, actually... it is a problem of both. With my WebOS tablet (and Android GB and now, ICS Cyanogen install on same tablet), the native email client is always running in the background, and making a ding when a new email comes in. Same with my iPhone. For the phone, same goes for the native text messaging application. (I would imagine an iPod to be similar.)

      Granted, I could turn off the data connection on both, or remove the configuration totally for the email client. This may not be an option in the future, though (similar to Orwell's 1984 vidscreens, which don't come with an off switch... just turning volume down.) Obviously powering the phone/tablet off defeats the purpose of using it to view an eBook.

      As to IM, I use a third party app that has unified IM, and can at a touch logoff all IM networks.

      The ultimate answer lies in the type of society we are in... need to learn that just because a device CAN have interrupt requests, and can have multitasking, does not mean you HAVE to acknowledge incoming items or go use these multitasking functions... its a matter of focusing on the singular task at hand.

    58. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by rhsanborn · · Score: 1

      I have both a Sony PRS-505, and an iPad. I use both, for different types of reading. The Sony is wonderful for novels and any other book that reads linearly and requires little backtracking/browsing. I use the iPad for reference, technical, and text books. The resolution and super fast refresh are much better for non-linear reading, studying, etc. That said, because I tend to have the iPad with me anyway, I do quite a bit of novel reading as well. I far prefer the reading experience on the Sony, but you're more likely to read on a device that you have with you, and if I have only the option of bringing one, I'll bring the device that is more flexible. All of that said, try to read an iPad in the sun, then pull out a Kindle ... ++Kindle

    59. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Hatta · · Score: 1

      I don't understand this at all. Many people spend a large portion of their day reading the web on a CRT or LCD. But somehow when it comes to reading a book on a CRT or LCD, all of a sudden "eye strain" is a problem.

      How long do you have to read a book on a CRT before you get eye strain? I was reading PDFs for research on my CRT for over 12 hours yesterday and never felt a bit of eye strain.

      If anything, a CRT is better for eye strain. You can adjust the brightness/contrast/gamma however you want it. With paper you have to adjust the external lighting if you have problems.

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    60. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      6" e-readers are not really designed for journals or magazines anyhow. That's the sort of thing the 9.7" Kindle DX is better at, both because of the larger size (6" -> 9.7") and the higher resolution (800x600 -> 1200x824).

      In terms of the quality of printed text, eInk readers have generally surpassed paperback print quality already (higher contrast ratios anyhow). The only place that you might argue they're not quite there yet is DPI, and that'll improve over time (eInk has already showed off significantly higher resolution displays). If they improve the contrast ratio, I expect it will surpass the quality of higher and higher quality print.

    61. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don know they make large print editions just for that reason. My Wife usually gets them from the library because there usually isn't an waiting list for the popular titles.

    62. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by PlatyPaul · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I read for 8+ hours per day on an LCD. If I'm going to be reading at home, I'd prefer that it not involve more backlight.

      This is the same reason why TV is much less appealing for me on a workday.

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    63. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It seems to be about a number of things:

      Ebooks on dedicated readers vs. general purpose devices: Shockingly, a 'book' that keeps throwing notifications in your face may not be the best for your sense of focus. Luckily, the e-ink brigade now has quality offerings under $100, with fairly fast refresh and crazy-long battery life.

      Publishers 'cooling': There's a shock. Publishers, because they simply couldn't accept the thought that this might be the end, held a cargo-cult belief that something had to save them, and if tablets were the flavor of the month, it must be tablets! Wake up and smell the reality, chaps. It has been plausibly suggested that the ease of purchase and transport makes owners of dedicated ereaders somewhat heavier readers than they were previously. However, the self-selected "Yeah, I like reading enough to buy a reader device" market is rapidly saturating, since they've gotten so cheap, leaving them to knife-fight with Angry Birds and Facebook for the attention spans of the rest of the population...

      Some novelist waxing nostalgic: Books die. A lot. There are a few very lucky winners, lovingly maintained by archivists and preservationists of various stripes; but the attrition is massive. Texts survive because they are easy to copy. Assuming DRM insanity doesn't get us all, ebooks are even more booklike that books. Sure, your reader widget will probably be in the landfill in five years; but electronic texts can be copied in the blink of an eye.

    64. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't understand this at all. Many people spend a large portion of their day reading the web on a CRT or LCD. But somehow when it comes to reading a book on a CRT or LCD, all of a sudden "eye strain" is a problem.

      Uh, yes. How often do you go to a web page and read a 100,000 word document from beginning to end without switching to another page, looking at images, or whatever?

      I was reading PDFs for research on my CRT for over 12 hours yesterday and never felt a bit of eye strain.

      I would guess you're not in your 50s and don't do that every day.

    65. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by icebike · · Score: 2

      I can read much faster and more comfortably on my Kindle than on the iPad. The quality fonts etc is very good on both but there is something to be said for reading on a display that is not backlit. Especially if you try to read out doors.

      Nook owner chiming in to fully agree.

      I recommend the cheapest E-reader you can by that has wifi for downloading. I prefer not to have any other capabilities built into the device, I have other toys for that.

      Spending the big bucks for color and backlighting is just a waste of time, and money unless you are limited to owning a single device. I've tried reading on the tablet, just don't like it as much. Reading on the phone is a non-starter given my prescription. Darkened room is the only place I switch to the tablet. Even the, its with white text on a black background.

      The entry level Kindle or Nook Simple reader has everything that you need to read with, and nothing you don't need. I had a first generation nook, still use it occasionally, but traded "down" to the much cheaper Simple reader and find it far more convenient (smaller, lighter, faster, fits in a jacket pocket). Same would be true of the Kindle.

      I also use Calibre (free ebook management software) to side load ebooks from other on-line book stores onto the nook.

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    66. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Binestar · · Score: 1

      Retroactive continuity. Essentially things in the past are changed to be more in line the present.

      Re-writing history as it were.

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    67. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by JobyOne · · Score: 1

      Actually, I bet they WILL have solid refresh rates soon. Enterprising Android hackers have already written custom software for Nooks that gets them decent refresh rates (enough to badly play Angry Birds). It comes at the expense of grey scale range and battery life, though. See: http://liliputing.com/2012/02/nook-touch-hack-speeds-up-e-ink-shows-why-its-not-ready-for-tablets.html

      Don't forget that tradional LCDs also function by physically moving around the molecules of liquid crystal to change how it polarizes light. It's not like there are tiny motors moving around the e-ink display components. Both are just electromagnetic fields moving around microscopic things. The only big difference is that the microscopic things in e-ink stay where you put them when the field is removed.

      Give it time. We're a clever bunch, humans.

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    68. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Yep. I have a kindle fire and love it, but it's not a great reading platform for the reasons mentioned here and in the story. The e-ink kindle is great though, and the experience is 99% as good as a regular paper book.

    69. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by aslagle · · Score: 1

      retcon: retroactive continuity

      Rewriting history. "No, it's always been that way!"

    70. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. The Kindle has a web browser, but it sucks so much (as expected) that I'll never touch it again, so when I set out to read on the Kindle, it's just as if I was reading a printed book (plus you just have to love eInk compared to backlit LCD screens when reading for extended periods).

      I do have an iPad which I need to keep away - it is indeed tempting to "just check my e-mail" and end up spending 30-45 minutes browsing. I can definitely see this being a problem if you use it as an eBook reader.

    71. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does she need 3 kindles?

    72. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Score+Whore · · Score: 1

      a) it's "retcon."
      b) it's "nocter" backwards.

    73. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We'll probably eventually get decent colour out of e-ink, although I doubt the refresh rate will ever be fast enough for real-time motion.

      Here's a youtube clip of video playing on an eink screen. It's not color, but it's a good first step: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24srQXX81Oc

    74. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by b0bby · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the crappy quality of the layout, typesetting etc of lots of e-books are a whole other kettle of fish - so many seem like just an afterthought, run through some crappy converter & not even proofread. Hopefully that will change as they become a larger & larger part of the market.

    75. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Ihmhi · · Score: 2

      We'll probably eventually get decent colour out of e-ink, although I doubt the refresh rate will ever be fast enough for real-time motion.

      I predict the next big hipster thing will be "flipbook" Tetris on their Color E-Ink Kindle:

      To rotate L block left 90 degrees, go to page 12,587.

    76. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      They're rather larger, those eInk capsules, though. Refresh times on colour eInk are about a second. Maybe they will come down eventually, but they'd need to come down more than an order of magnitude to be useful for real-time stuff. Part of the long refresh times comes from having to invert the pixels to reset them to avoid ghosting. You can get substantially faster refresh times by skipping that, as stuff like the Kindle browser does, but at a large cost (the ghosting).

      Yes, it is faster to update Pearl displays in full-on monochrome mode, as the guys you mentioned did, but that's not terribly useful (or anything special or new). The resolution on these displays isn't high enough that you can forsake antialiased font rendering yet.

    77. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      This is exactly what I wondering. I have a ton of PDFs, some home made. Two summers ago, I had a Sony eBook reader that simply couldn't display many of them correctly, or at all, for that matter (I returned it). That's why I'm leaning towards a tablet. Unless the latest generation of readers have improved in this aspect?
      I still love paper books, but I'd like to give the ebook approach a try again. I'm pretty sure I'll love the search feature.

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    78. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention that it is also far easier to sneak it into the bathroom while at work. Not that I'd ever do such a thing.

    79. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by DES · · Score: 2

      One thing that sold me on the Kindle was the "Free Sample" you can get with most books.

      All books, actually; it's auto-generated. You get the first 10% of the book, up to a certain number of pages. The problem is that with large works (such as collections or compilations) with detailed ToCs, the auto-generated sample might turn out to contain only the cover, the title page, the ToC and (if you're lucky) the first few paragraphs of the foreword.

    80. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by alexgieg · · Score: 2

      At this point I don't plan to buy any more e-books (unless they are DRM free) except in special circumstances where I use the book as a reference so much that portability (it weighs nothing extra and I can have it with me anytime I have my tablet) out weighs all the negatives of DRM.

      You know that stripping the DRM out of any ebook you purchased is trivial, right? There are scripts out there to do that with minimum effort. In fact, these scripts are even available as 3rd party plugins to calibre, in which case the DRM stripping becomes transparent (you'll have to Google around though -- for obvious reasons they aren't officially supported). Add to this calibre's ability to freely convert DRM-free (and DRM-stripped) e-books from one format to basically any other format, and everything that was wrong with e-publishing has in practice been solved.

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    81. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by icebike · · Score: 2

      This is so true.

      If reading any history that involves maps, or technical manuals with tables and illustrations, with an ereader (e-ink or otherwise) the need to frequently refer to maps, or illustrations the jumping around is pretty painful, unless the device has a good book marking capability. Even then, its not the same as having a finger in the book at the reference page and being able to flip back and forth quickly.

      I've noticed that I had unconsciously gravitated away reading this type of subject matter on any e-reader. I previously read a lot of history, specifically major war history. I figured out the frustration with maps was the problem. I now open these books on the computer version of the e-reader software, and screen shot the maps, print them, and fold them into the cover of my e-reader.

      But the E-readers for technical material is still a big pain, and unless or until they start making full book-size page ereaders as cheep as the Nook or Kindle this is going to remain problematic just to actually read the tables, let alone reference them quickly.

      Some ebooks do have hyperlinking, but often not where you need it, and getting back to where you were reading never seems to work right. (links seem to all be one way, with no "Back" capability.

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    82. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by DadLeopard · · Score: 1

      I second that, though my reader of choice is the Sony Reader! You just can't beat E-ink display for a read anywhere you could read a paper book experience! Nice thing about the Sony is I can also have my family picture display as a slideshow to bore people with, and listen to my music with a head set while reading, though that does shorten battery life quite a bit, otherwise I charge less than once a week! Figured by the Kindle and Nook method it will last at least a month!

    83. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 0

      having a device for each different thing I do is wasteful, its just more money have to spend on buying a bunch of special use devices. I would rather just buy one and have it do everything I need to do, including check mail, and then just turn off the check mail notification. Also consider the huge environmental cost in having all of these special purpose computers, such as game system, DVR, etc, which are all totally inflexible with software that makes it impossible to multipurpose use them or do what you want them to do when you in fact paid for the hardware. many of these devices could be replaced by a general purpose computer. I do see 3 different device classes with different usage, such as a smartphone for use when one is mobile or walking, a laptop for use when one is able to sit down and a desktop computer for use at home for serious work and play such as writing, taxes, game playing and for work. I think we would see a best scenario when these devices can be interconnected and work together.

    84. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 2

      Yes, but with a reader, ALL titles are now large print editions.

    85. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by DogDude · · Score: 1

      a. Yeah, I realized that as soon as I hit submit. Typo.

      b. That clears it up. I really hate nocter, so I'd probably like retcon!

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    86. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Your "library manager" is there to make sure you're not a pirate. It's not there to do your bidding. It's there to do Amazon or Apple's bidding.

      My library manager is Calibre. Neither Amazon nor Apple even know I own an eBook, much less have any control over the content of my eBooks.

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    87. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by DES · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is really something to consider - lighting. When I read in bed a bit of backlight would be good, but when I'm sitting in my car (only place I can find peace and quiet) during lunch, no backlighting is required, but ability to read in full, partial sunlight or shade would be desireable.

      You don't want backlight. You think you want backlight because for decades there was no way to make a decent display unit that wasn't either emissive (like CRTs, VFDs and LEDs) or transmissive (like LCDs), so you grew used to having the display throw light at you. What you actually want is a reflective display (like electronic paper) and sufficient ambient light to read by. Amazon sells covers with integrated reading lights for 3rd and 4th generation Kindles; they work beautifully, and don't require separate batteries, as they draw power from the Kindle itself through the latches that attach it to the cover. They do shorten battery life somewhat, but not enough to be a problem—you just have to charge your Kindle once a week instead of once a month.

      I'm pretty sure that it's only a matter of years before we have full-color 600 DPI electronic paper with no noticeable refresh delay, although I don't know if we'll ever be entirely comfortable watching video on reflective displays, and there will probably always be applications (such as cell phones, or their future equivalent) where emissive or backlit transmissive displays are preferrable to reflective displays.

    88. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 1

      You are in your mid-30's and can't understand why a 50-year-old Kindle Fire user would call it distracting.

      You also don't get why the Forrester Research analyst who did the study, which asked publishers which platform was ideal for eBooks, said that publishers think some platforms are distracting.

      You have not talked to Allison Kutz who says âoeIâ(TM)ve tried to sit down and read it in Starbucks or the apartment, but I end up on Facebook or Googling something she said, and then the next thing you know Iâ(TM)ve been surfing for 25 minutes,â

      I have a Kindle 3, and it doesn't have distractions. I can see how tablets might be distracting. I can also see that people who don't have problems with distractions might not "get" people who do.

    89. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      One advantage I find with a 6 inch e-ink reader is that you can read them standing up on the bus. There's not always a seat on the bus, especially in rush hour. Having a book that you can read no matter the situation is quite nice. Getting the laptop out to read when you don't have a place to sit can be quite problematic.

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    90. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in total agreement. An e-reader should be a special device that's particularly good for reading. It shouldn't do other stuff (or do it so poorly that I won't want to anyway). And that's why I love my old fashioned original nook. It's better than printed books because it solved the main problem: The discomfort of holding poorly sized books, and most books I read are poorly sized (usually too thick, or too tall).

      It also solves the issue of "I can't get a copy of this book." And the "I have to drive somewhere, or wait a week, to get this book."

      I was afraid this is what would happen with LCD e-readers. People get them because you can read, and do more! Then they discover that they're poor reading devices and they give up on e-readers altogether...

    91. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how about an app that stops all distractions while you are reading. duh

    92. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Junta · · Score: 1

      Not merely tablest failing to save them, perhaps publishers jumped on the bandwagon only to belatedly figure out the ebook bandwagon largely obsoletes the role of publishers as they exist today, and it's easier to fight change than adapt.

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    93. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by shadowmas · · Score: 1

      One advantage I find with a 6 inch e-ink reader is that you can read them standing up on the bus.

      True enough.

      Unfortunately my daily commute is usually so crowded, it wouldnt allow me to read a book in any form. Fortunately it's a short journey in anycase. Most of my reading is done at leasure and usually on my desk or bed so I have a wider set of choices. Regardless I find reading books in electronic form much easier than printed 'legacy' variety :).

    94. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Solandri · · Score: 2

      Backlights are absolutely not a problem if you have them set properly. If you set them so their brightest white is no brighter than any other white object in the room, it's impossible to tell that it's actually backlit, and there's no eyestrain.

      What causes eyestrain is setting the backlight too bright indoors, or the backlight being unable to compete with the brightness of sunlight outdoors. Outdoors, the transreflective displays I've used were easy to read in sunlight. Indoors, people have somehow been sold the notion that brighter = better. No it's not. Set the brightness to match the ambient lighting and your screen can be indistinguishable from a piece of paper.

      You've probably seen this already with LED billboards along the freeway. When they're set too bright, they hurt your eyes, especially at night. But if their brightness is set just right, they're indistinguishable from a regular printed billboard. Until the picture moves.

    95. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by StikyPad · · Score: 2

      You don't want backlight. You think you want backlight because for decades there was no way to make a decent display unit that wasn't either emissive (like CRTs, VFDs and LEDs) or transmissive (like LCDs), so you grew used to having the display throw light at you.

      Indeed. I stare at pictures of stained glass and fires instead of the real things for similar reasons.

      No wait. I don't do those things and I *do* want backlight thanks.

    96. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Firehed · · Score: 2

      I'd like an integrated light on the Kindle (and other e-ink devices) for nighttime reading, but I do not want a backlight. It's far less straining to read something lit by a reflected light source - like you would get with any paper book - than to read off the illuminated source itself. While I'd certainly like something less clumsy than a clip-on gooseneck LED, I definitely prefer that to looking at a glowing screen at night. They could probably integrate a couple of low-profile LEDs just above the display to side-light the thing nicely while still avoiding an actual backlight and keeping the device slim and aesthetically pleasing.

      Compare reading the wattage marking on a light bulb when the bulb is on (even at very low power) with when the bulb is off and there's some other light source in the room. Same general idea, even if not nearly as severe.

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    97. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by wordsnyc · · Score: 1

      The Nook Simple Touch lets you read ePub books -- the Kindle doesn't (unless you convert them).

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    98. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like highlighting a section by running my finger over it, then setting a note, or copying a word into google to reference it (or a specific obscure date reference.) Sometimes it's really really handy having all those other features available by clicking a button and tapping out a few words. I've read dozens of books on tablets, I don't see it as a distraction to have the other things available, I find it convenient that I can read the subject and know it's not important enough to actually open the whole thing up.

    99. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. I got my 10 year old a Nook Simple Touch for his birthday - I set up an account for him and we purchase books or check out books from the library on it. We take it on trips or even short rides in the car while we run errands. He loves it. Plus I use Calibre to strip the DRM and archive it so we have DRM free copy for personal use if we someday use a different device.

    100. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not always. I was looking free Software as a Service online course, and they were publishing an ebook to go with it, the sample of which on Amazon has all the way up to the end of the first chapter exactly. It seemed longer than other samples I've read, and the cut off point seems far too precise to be auto-generated, which leads me to conclude that authors/publishers can have some say in what the sample consists of if they wish.

    101. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never had a distraction while reading on my Kindle fire, but that may be because I don't have ADD.

    102. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations on being the pigeon that "won" a game of chess by knocking over the pieces, shitting on the board, and strutting around.

    103. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by AugstWest · · Score: 1

      I use my iPad for everything from checking my email to composing classical music, from playing games to using it onstage to improvise a funk Hammond B3 solo.

      That said, I have never in my life read as much as I have since I picked it up. I've burned through more books than I did when I was a Literature major.

      As an ADD person, getting to the library to get books was hard enough -- returning them on time was nigh impossible. Getting to the bookstore would never happen. But buying books that I want to read as soon as I hear about them? Win.

      I don't get the argument here. I mean, I understand it, but I've never had that issue. All the arguments for e-ink are bunk for me, I have no problem reading on my ipad for hours. Barth, Pynchon, even Faulkner.

      Battery life's never been an issue, I've never gotten a headache, all this FUD is pretty lame, IMHO. I'm glad you like your paper book, I'm glad you like your old-school Kindle, I'm in favor of anything that gets people to read more, but really -- it's a non-argument to me.

    104. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by freman · · Score: 1

      I used to think "poor suckers, can't afford a tablet or decent phone" when I saw people reading on ebook readers on the train...

      After getting headaches while reading on my phone and test driving a co-workers kindle...

      I bought myself a Kobo Touch - now I feel like a right flaming idiot!

      I will never go back to reading on the phone, or my touchpad.

      Long live the ebook reader!

    105. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by pruss · · Score: 1

      It's a matter of taste. I much prefer the way text looks on a backlit, properly subpixel antialiased display (not the Kindle Fire which screws up the subpixel antialiasing in three of four orientations), with good backlight brightness control (which on many devices requires a third-party app--I make one of them myself) and a good range of color choices (I particularly like reading green on black in the dark, and black on yellowish in daytime), instead of the grayish background and need for good ambient lighting of an e-ink screen. I don't like to read outdoors, and I don't like to have to turn on the light in whatever room I am reading in. Plus I much prefer scrolling to paging, and it's hard to do scrolling on e-ink.

      Maybe it's just a matter of what one is used to? For the last eight years or so, most of my pleasure reading has been on backlit screens (mostly PalmOS 5 devices--yeah, I know, there was no subpixel antialiasing, but I wrote an app that at least did grayscale antialiasing). My daughter has an e-ink Kindle, which she loves, but I find reading from it not as nice as a backlit screen.

    106. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by tadas · · Score: 1

      ...except DRM ensures that you are never actual in control of anything. You can't simply copy things. Your "library manager" is there to make sure you're not a pirate. It's not there to do your bidding. It's there to do Amazon or Apple's bidding.

      1) Install Calibre
      2) Install DRM removal addons from http://apprenticealf.wordpress.com/2011/01/13/ebooks-formats-drm-and-you-%E2%80%94-a-guide-for-the-perplexed/
      3) ???
      4) Profit!

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    107. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Courageous · · Score: 1

      I suppose a small amount of backlight on my Kindle would be okay. But I'll tell you. The e-ink on the kindle is so incredibly, shockingly, daaaarkly black. When I first got my kindle, it was in that screen saver mode with some famous author on the screen. I thought this was a piece of plastic with printed ink on it pasted to the front of the screen, and spent about 5-10 seconds trying to lift up the corners with my finger nail.

      The Kindle is vastly superior to paper; only disadvantages are: 1) would be nice to have slightly larger screen, 2) formating sometimes gets garbled, and 3) the barrier to entry to ebook authoring is a lot lower than paper, so you have to watch out or you'll get drivel for an ebook.

    108. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by RandomJoe · · Score: 1

      At least for the iOS devices, you can certainly disable automatic checking of mail. I have mine set so they only check when I manually open the mail app. Settings -> Mail -> Fetch New Data. Turn off Push, set Fetch to Manual.

      The only items I can't easily avoid on the phone are texts and phone calls, but I don't generally get deep in a book when using the phone - it's for filling a few minutes here and there while waiting on something / someone else. The iPad doesn't have messaging set up, so no annoyances there.

      But then having the occasional notification pop up wouldn't bother me. I can even happily ignore a ringing phone, it's funny how hard it is for most people to do that. (In public I'd silence the phone, of course. The office desk phone doesn't have that feature.)

    109. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Endo13 · · Score: 1

      I love my Nook for all the same reasons, as well as that (for me at least) the e-ink is about as close to a real book as you'll get on a digital device. In fact it's so much like a regular book that I've found myself at times trying to flip the page, only to realize I'm reading an e-book. I might get a tablet eventually but it won't replace my Nook.

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    110. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Abalamahalamatandra · · Score: 1

      Read books on your phone, as I do with Aldiko on my Android phone, and there's nothing to sneak.

    111. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Can't you disable everything by putting the phone in airplane mode?

    112. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Man+Eating+Duck · · Score: 1

      I have both a Sony PRS-505, and an iPad. I use both, for different types of reading. The Sony is wonderful for novels and any other book that reads linearly and requires little backtracking/browsing. I use the iPad for reference, technical, and text books. The resolution and super fast refresh are much better for non-linear reading, studying, etc. That said, because I tend to have the iPad with me anyway, I do quite a bit of novel reading as well. I far prefer the reading experience on the Sony, but you're more likely to read on a device that you have with you, and if I have only the option of bringing one, I'll bring the device that is more flexible.

      All of that said, try to read an iPad in the sun, then pull out a Kindle ... ++Kindle

      We recently got an iPad 2 for testing purposes at work (publishing company). I brought it when visiting family at Christmas, and when I found myself without a reading light in the improvised bedroom, I started reading my current book on the iPad... and soon found out that it worked better when used as a nightlight for my E-Ink reader :)

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    113. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Randle_Revar · · Score: 1

      Hey, another Kobo owner! I love mine, most of my library will be migrating as fast (or rather, slow) as my wallet can handle. Certainly most new stuff will be there.

    114. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After two years of using the basic Kindle, I dumped it in favor of a 7" Android tablet which I use exclusively for reading. Primarily because:

      - All e-readers are tied to their specific e-book stores (except of course for DRM-free books). I wanted to get books from other stores but couldn't on Kindle. Similarly Kobo, Nook, Sony and other e-readers.
      - Browsing through a book is an absolute pain on e-ink based readers. I often like to flip through books and search my favorite passages to read again. It is simply impractical to do so on all current e-ink based devices. And I'm not complaining about the page refresh speed but the absolute miserable way you are forced to use to navigate to different pages.
      - During the two years that I had the basic Kindle, I read about 40 books. Mostly science fiction. However, I was amazed to realize that I couldn't remember the titles or authors of most of them afterwards. I feel that the way Kindle presents books, once you start reading a book, its title and author are mostly hidden. As opposed to a physical book, where whenever you pick up the book, you look at the title and often the author. Reading books on a color tablet comes a bit closer to real books in this regard.

      If there was a generic e-ink based reader that supported all e-book stores and had a better interface for flipping through pages, I would dump my Android tablet primarily because of battery life.

      One thing that absolutely drives me insane is the number of typos in e-books. If I'm paying the same as for a physical book, why can't the publisher at least pay a small amount to have someone proof read the book? I assume that all e-books are scanned from physical copies. Don't publishers have electronic copies to convert to e-books? I am amazed why more people haven't complained about this.

    115. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Ever looked at the PDF file format? It's useful for describing how to print a page, but it encodes very little semantic content. I've had real problems trying to convert PDFs into something readable on the Nook.

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    116. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Theophany · · Score: 1

      I'm being serious, I don't troll... :/

    117. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just keep you own damn copy of the ebook, to ensure you can do this don't buy books that use DRM, if you must buy books with DRM, find the appropriate tools to strip the DRM.

      It's not like they'll hack into your computer just to modify your personal copies.* Just don't give them permission to do it by using any restrictive ebook management software.

      *And if you really are paranoid enough to believe they might, burn backups on DVDs, they can't alter a write-only medium.

    118. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      I was reading PDFs for research on my CRT for over 12 hours yesterday and never felt a bit of eye strain.

      If anything, a CRT is better for eye strain.

      Wow.

      When I worked on CRTs (and yes, I had a very expensive, high end CRT from Iiyama), I was bleary and teary eyed by the end of the day. Even a cheap LCD was a great relief.

      Back on subject, having used all of the devices you mention, e-ink is by far the easiest on the eyes - even easier than paper because there are always slight printing imperfections with ink on paper that don't happen on e-ink.

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    119. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by gnume · · Score: 1

      agreed. that's why i got my pocketbook pro 902 and not something more advanced.

    120. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by DES · · Score: 1
    121. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by awyeah · · Score: 1

      I have a 3rd gen Kindle (Kindle Keyboard). I've been told it's a shitty tablet. When I respond "it's not a tablet, it's an e-reader," people get it.

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    122. Re:That's why I like the basic Kindle by awyeah · · Score: 1

      I've had terrible luck with PDFs on my Kindle. I've tried to convert them with various utilities and they always come out horrible looking. The problem is the screen size, and the fact that the Kindle basically displays them as images. Maybe the big Kindle DX would be better for them.

      The Kindle is totally awesome for eBooks, but I just print PDFs if I need them to be portable.

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  2. Newsflash! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Self discipline is dead.

    1. Re:Newsflash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      tl;dr

    2. Re:Newsflash! by Megahard · · Score: 4, Funny

      So what we need is a game that pops up a bunch of buttons, links, ads, and challenges the user not to click on any of them.

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    3. Re:Newsflash! by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think it's more to do with environment than virtue. If you took a guy off a 19-th century farm where there was NOTHING but chores to do and gave him an iPad, he would probably forget to eat for the next 4 days. Look at how they went overboard with alcohol and religion back then.

    4. Re:Newsflash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      definitely... "oh no, i can't read on my tablet because it's alerting me that i have mail!"

      i have a feeling these are the same kind of people that take up an entire booth at insert trendy restaurant name here with a cup of water and their mac.

    5. Re:Newsflash! by ISurfTooMuch · · Score: 2

      I wouldn't say that. How much would anyone be distracted if they were constantly interrupted by a phone ringing, a doorbell ringing, or someone tapping them on the shoulder?

    6. Re:Newsflash! by vlm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Self discipline is dead.

      I'd disagree in that the hidden assumption of the cruddy article is reading is a virtue and puritan style self denial of the much more fun alternatives is the only reason anyone reads anything. F that bad idea. I'm a big boy and no one tells me what to do in my spare time and if I wanna look at boring youtube videos I do so, and if I wanna read, I read, because I want to. I just finished Stross's laundry series and most recently Halting State. No I'm not being paid to astroturf and yes those were entertaining kind of light hard science fiction and I didn't read them out of some desire for hair shirt denigration but because I greatly enjoyed them.

      If I'm reading and I want to stop reading, I'm a big boy, I can just stop, I don't need some far fetched explanation of how its all the devices fault that the email app zapped out of cyberspace like a bad ST:TNG episode and pulled me away while wearing a Sherlock Holmes costume. Its very much like people who blame the gun after one gang member shoots another, instead of blaming the person who intentionally pulled the trigger. Lame.

      Once you operate and excise the lameness from the article, there's sadly not much left to it. Whoops.

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    7. Re:Newsflash! by jduhls · · Score: 2

      Amen. My first thought was that this article is FUD created by the paper industry.

    8. Re:Newsflash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then there's Jonathan Franzen, regarded as one of America's greatest living novelists

      Who?

    9. Re:Newsflash! by idontgno · · Score: 5, Funny

      So what we need is a game that pops up a bunch of buttons, links, ads, and challenges the user not to click on any of them.

      Especially the beautiful shiny button. The jolly candy-like button. Will he hold out, folks? Can he hold out?

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    10. Re:Newsflash! by robmv · · Score: 2

      I don't know about others, but my tablet has an option to disconnect from Wifi and 3G enabled Android tablets has the option to disable data. When I really want to read I disable Wifi (no 3G version) and read. Probably it is difficult for some people to use that options, but it should not be hard to write an Ebook reader app with an option to activate a "Do not disturb mode"

    11. Re:Newsflash! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Informative

      So what we need is a game that pops up a bunch of buttons, links, ads, and challenges the user not to click on any of them.

      Yes! And we can call that game "Facebook".

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    12. Re:Newsflash! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well played.

    13. Re:Newsflash! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2

      Another angle is that I'm reading a novel, some historical event is mentioned, and I pop over to Wiki or something to fill in any knowledge gap. I learned something. Yay.

    14. Re:Newsflash! by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have a condition where my eyes cannot easily follow straight lines. This makes reading books very hard for me. While I am reading a screen I tend to highlight the line that I am reading otherwise my eyes will drift to words in the next line and adding confusion, causing me to reread the line over again.

      I prefer to read off of a screen for it makes it easier for me to follow the line... First I don't have the curve from the bend in the paper throwing me off, allowing me to use a pen/ruler to keep my line pointed, most readers allow me to highlight the text line that I am reading. Also most screens you still can see the Pixels outlines on your screen that makes following straight lines easier.

      Before I was diagnoses with that condition I was figured to have problems with actually learning to reading comprehension,they figured that I was just being lazy while I tried to read a book. But I got tired of reading the same line over and over again, and being disciplined for following the text with my finger. So reading became a major chore and I really never gained the joy of reading. But my reading comprehension was much better when I had books with a big fonts and a lot of white spaces, but the smaller fonts and more dense the page the harder I had reading.

      I am willing to expect that people who are use to reading paper books and can do so, may find the extra technology distracting but if you are use to it, you know to ignore the feeling to click on something else. Sure the extra features on tables can distract us, but that is probably more due to the reading material being more boring then the other options. If the story is really engaging then you want to read the story and not watch a You Tube video.

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    15. Re:Newsflash! by nine-times · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is definitely worth considering. Although self-control and discipline are practiced skills, research has indicated that we each have limits on our self-control. The people who are very good at it are actually good at avoiding situations where they are being frequently tempted.

    16. Re:Newsflash! by vlm · · Score: 1

      Another angle is that I'm reading a novel, some historical event is mentioned, and I pop over to Wiki or something to fill in any knowledge gap. I learned something. Yay.

      There's a nice librivox recording of Slocum's "Sailing Alone Around the World", from about 110 years ago, which assumes you have memorized a maritime map. I sspent lots of time while listening, google map-ing strange locations. For example, one of the small islands off the east coast of Australia discovered by captain cook "north solitary island", which back then was probably "known to everyone" as a recent discovery? Well, recent discovery as in less than 100 years before his generation, as opposed to 240 years before our time...

      Similarly, I wish wikipedia had been around the first time I read Herodotus and Xenophon and similar. All I had was a cruddy map in the back of the book.

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    17. Re:Newsflash! by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 1

      You completely missed the point. Publishers no longer think tablets are the best platform because readers get distracted. That this happens is supported by quotes from actual readers who get distracted.

      The crap part of the article is saying that this reflects on eBooks, instead of on the platforms.

      If you decide to stop reading, that's one thing. If you look up a word and wind up going TV Tropes style clicking for an hour when you meant to be reading, that might be troublesome. Obviously you are not one of these people, and based on the analyst (who may be wrong) you are a statistical outlier.

    18. Re:Newsflash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NO, I CAAAAAN'T!

    19. Re:Newsflash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if he has Space Madness!

    20. Re:Newsflash! by vlm · · Score: 1

      Why would any of that be "trouble"? The publisher makes money off selling books, not people reading them. Ideally, they'd sell "coffee table books" that are never read, thus don't need to be edited or be any good.

      The only justification I can come up with is if I could read more quickly, then they could theoretically sell more books. However my reading quickly does not automagically force my favorite living authors to write faster, nor does it force the dead authors to dictate from beyond the grave, so... This will have no effect on people buying the latest trendy whenever it comes out.

      The crap part of the article is saying that this reflects on eBooks, instead of on the platforms.

      They're probably angling to sell a megaDRMed and spyware drowned singletasker. OK you're gonna have a tablet or phone, but you'll never have the "full book experience" unless you read on a singletasker, which we coincidentally happen to sell at a nice profit... This might fit with the e-ink astoturfing, you know the "you can read on a LCD all day at work, and watch TV and video game all night on a LCD, but your eyes will explode like an indiana jones special effect if you try to read a "ebook" off a LCD, conveniently we sell something else"

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    21. Re:Newsflash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. People who avoid tempting situations aren't better with self-discipline. They've just learned how to manipulate their own propensity for slipping into habitual behavior. Or, conversely, they have a weak internal reward-feedback mechanism; those are the people who don't do anything at all, period.

      There is no such thing as self-control. People who exercise a ton? Habit. People who eat like a mouse? Habit. Floss? Habit. It's hardly any different than someone who picked up a habit of masturbating every 5 minutes. There's no self-sacrifice occurring; the behavior is its own reward in a very literal sense.

    22. Re:Newsflash! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      you are a statistical outlier.

      That's the nicest thing anyone has said to me all week. :-D

    23. Re:Newsflash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am reading The Count of Monte Cristo on my iPod touch, and without the ability to quickly look up historical context and the classical and literary allusions, I would have soon lost interest in it because I would have been missing too much. Instead, it is highly entertaining and mind expanding.

    24. Re:Newsflash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Self discipline is dead.

      I'd disagree in that the hidden assumption of the cruddy article is reading is a virtue and puritan style self denial of the much more fun alternatives is the only reason anyone reads anything. F that bad idea.

      Good point. I read because it is more fun than watching YouTube. Reading isn't a chore you have to have discipline to do.

    25. Re:Newsflash! by awyeah · · Score: 1

      What I often end up doing on my Kindle (regular e-ink kind), is highlighting a portion of something I want to look up. Then I can go look it up later, the kindle saves your highlights.

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  3. Expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Maybe people are figuring out that ebooks are way too fucking expensive.

    1. Re:Expensive by Guspaz · · Score: 4, Informative

      Depends on the publisher. Macmillan? Yeah. I paid $16 for the latest eBook in a series by a popular scifi author. Baen? No. They never charge more than $6 for a brand new book, and settle down to $4 or $0 in the long run.

    2. Re:Expensive by medv4380 · · Score: 1

      That sounds reasonable. At least their site has most of it priced at 6 or less. The Items priced higher then that look to be collections or have bonus material like sound tracks. How a book has a sound track is beyond me.

    3. Re:Expensive by dreemernj · · Score: 3, Informative

      Baen seems to be bringing me over to the ebook side. I glanced at their site once before for a book. It was $4, came in 6 or 7 different DRM free formats, and the sample of the book was the first 4 chapters. I can deal with that sort of ebook store.

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    4. Re:Expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering that epub files are just a glorified form of HTML in a compressed wrapper you may be right. (Of course there are other more proprietary formats, but I find epub tends to work best for most purposes.)

      By the way, there are a lot of ebooks that you can get for free, so it's not like you have to spend a lot to build a library. Just remember that contemporary books intentionally given away often tend to be better than bootleg scans because OCR still isn't that great and not many people seem to be doing proofreading or checking for formatting issues. Now as to the quality of writing and having interesting subject matter? That's another another story as well.

      Project Gutenburg and other similar websites also have a vast wealth of public domain texts released as ebooks for free, but they also seem to have a lot of problems with bad OCR scans just like many of the bootleg book copies do. They really need more volunteers to do proof-reading and clean-up, but not all the subject matter seems popular enough to get such attention.

      Once (FOSS) ebook publishing software like Sigil becomes a bit more mature and less fiddly to work with (imo it still has too many bugs or rough edges - doesn't compare well to Open Office or Scribus in terms of usability despite similarities), I think you'd also see a boom in self-publishing direct to the ebook format and have a subsequent drop in price most ebooks.

      And if you do what you want because a pirate is free... Well for about the time it takes to download a movie or about a season's worth of cartoon episodes, it's way too easy to get more than a year's worth of reading material. Just remember if you really like a particular story or series of books, you should go back and buy legit. At least then an author would be supported and hopefully the real publisher puts some thought into making sure the text is legible and formatting is correct unlike the scanner crowd does.

    5. Re:Expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Baen also has the "Advanced Reader Copy" that gets you the book several months before publication (and before editing is complete). In the case of ARC's it is usually priced closer to the hardcover price.

    6. Re:Expensive by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      eARCs are priced at $15, but the reader normally knows what they're getting into. You realize that in exchange for getting the book months before it's released, you pay more, get a copy with mistakes, and don't get the final version for free when it comes out. But readers have the choice here; they can either pay more to get the unedited copy early, or they can just wait for the release date and pay $6.

      It's actually even cheaper to get their eBooks through the webscriptions thing, but since that's basically a subscription to every book Baen publishes, you probably need to read a lot more than the one or two books a month that I do to make it worth it.

    7. Re:Expensive by dwillden · · Score: 1

      The problem with sound tracks is keeping them synced with your reading. I hate it when I'm reading about a big space battle and the explosions keep happening in my mind minutes before the sound track gets to them. Or I forget to turn off the sound track when I have to put the book down and later I find myself picking up the book and being hours behind the sound effects.

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    8. Re:Expensive by tadas · · Score: 1

      It's actually even cheaper to get their eBooks through the webscriptions thing, but since that's basically a subscription to every book Baen publishes, you probably need to read a lot more than the one or two books a month that I do to make it worth it.

      Actually, the subscription is equal to the price of three books. If I have two "definites", I can usually gambe that there's at least one good one in the remaining 4 or 5...

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  4. Tablet... Is Not An Ebook Reader... by dragisha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's it.

    Don't use iPad for reading.

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    1. Re:Tablet... Is Not An Ebook Reader... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

      Actually I wonder if people who buy a tablet and cannot focus on the reading of a book were the people who bought and read paper books before tablets ever existed. By purchasing a tablet and all its technological luxury some people forget that it doesn't do everything, like avoiding the concentration and all the brain work that has to get involved when someone wants to read a book. There is still no direct transfer from a computer network to a human neural network.

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    2. Re:Tablet... Is Not An Ebook Reader... by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      There is still no direct transfer from a computer network to a human neural network.

      Sure there is, it's an optical network that's almost instantaneous. It's called "reading".

    3. Re:Tablet... Is Not An Ebook Reader... by na1led · · Score: 1

      Someone forgot that Ebook readers (like the Kindle) came out before the iPad.

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    4. Re:Tablet... Is Not An Ebook Reader... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least not if you're an old fart who can't cope with change. I'm sure the generation that is used to dismissing popups don't even realize they've done it.
      Summary : Old people who used to read books, still prefer books.

    5. Re:Tablet... Is Not An Ebook Reader... by volcanopele · · Score: 1

      Umm, okay. So I should just stop now? Despite the fact that the last eight books I've read (including The Stand which I've am working through now) were on iBooks or the Kindle reader app... True, reading on a tablet may not be for everyone, but since it is the one device that is almost guaranteed to be on my person (except for when I go shopping...), I think I will just stick with that...

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    6. Re:Tablet... Is Not An Ebook Reader... by Dr_Banzai · · Score: 1

      Almost instantaneous? It takes me many hours of undivided attention to finish a book.

    7. Re:Tablet... Is Not An Ebook Reader... by Pope · · Score: 1

      No, use the iPad to read things. Just turn on Airplane mode so the notifications don't pop-up. Or turn them off. Or get an attention span.

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    8. Re:Tablet... Is Not An Ebook Reader... by C0C0C0 · · Score: 1

      That's it.

      Don't use iPad for reading.

      Quite right! Use an Android tablet, maybe one of those cheap Nooks with a custom CM9 ROM! Inexpensive, and none of that walled-garden nonsense!

      I've been reading books on my phone for years, and I've just started reading them on a tablet. It conveniently there for me when I'm in the mood to read, and it's conveniently there when I'm in the mood to do something else. "a sense of permanence has always been part of the experience"? WTF? It's just a book. A sense of entertaining (or educational) words in a proper sequence pretty much defines it for me.

      You dead-tree bibliophiles remind me a movie fans, always talking about "films" and trying to suck the fun out of a diversion. Or vinyl lovers always talking about the "warmth" of the old-school scratchy record sound. The earth is not flat, the horse-drawn carriage is not coming back, and old, inefficient memes are all headed for obsolescence.

      Save a tree. Buy a Luddite a tablet!

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    9. Re:Tablet... Is Not An Ebook Reader... by Jonner · · Score: 1

      That's it.

      Don't use iPad for reading.

      Or just turn off the network connections on the tablet while reading, as Franzen said he does when writing.

    10. Re:Tablet... Is Not An Ebook Reader... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, the kindle app is nothing but an added bonus to my Eee Pad Transformer Prime. I didn't buy a tablet to read e-books and I don't think anyone else did either. The fact it has the capability however, is really nice, especially if you don't want to lug a backpack full of hardcovers wherever you might want to read. Personally, I will never buy another paper book unless it's Art/Graphic Novel and the e-reader will somehow diminish the glory of said art.

    11. Re:Tablet... Is Not An Ebook Reader... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Maybe it was, when you were a baby... Now, your cleverness is in the way...

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    12. Re:Tablet... Is Not An Ebook Reader... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Way to go, bro. You sure kicked that strawman's ass. Truly you are the terror of imaginary versions of people who don't share your taste in consumer electronics.

    13. Re:Tablet... Is Not An Ebook Reader... by dragisha · · Score: 1

      You're not getting it, obviously.

      Use dedicated book reader. Something lighter, friendlier to eyes (hint, hint.. maybe Kindle??) and with survivable battery discipline.

      As I am (obvious?) using a computer to read and write here, how can I also be a Luddite? :)

      Help Slashdot. Buy a clue for every poster. :)

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    14. Re:Tablet... Is Not An Ebook Reader... by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      If you're talking the current iPad, I agree. But what about the new model to be unveiled in a few days that will have supposedly a 2048x1536 resolution screen, which means very sharp text display for e-books?

      By the way, I'm less and less of a fan of hardback books. They're getting increasingly big and unwieldy to hold; for example, the fourth though seventh "Harry Potter" novels in hardback form are quite a bit heavier than an iPad 2!

    15. Re:Tablet... Is Not An Ebook Reader... by lurch_mojoff · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that it often takes (me) more than one reading in order to retain the information in said book.

  5. It's a serious tablet design flaw! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If _only_ tablets and eReaders came with more self control, I'd read more!

    1. Re:It's a serious tablet design flaw! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      If _only_ tablets and eReaders came with more self control, I'd read more!

      There's an app for that!

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    2. Re:It's a serious tablet design flaw! by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      Some of us could use some of that constraint. I bought a non-wifi Sony eInk reader knowing that had I gotten a tablet -- with videos, and a browser, and music, and games -- I'd be more likely to drift over to one of the entertainment apps while on the subway, going home after work, rather than reading something. My nonexistent attention span was the reason I started reading more.

  6. I've been conned by Mononoke · · Score: 2

    ...into thinking that it is much easier to a nice selection of books with me in a tablet than it is to carry them any other way.

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    1. Re:I've been conned by eternaldoctorwho · · Score: 1

      What is this I don't even

  7. Airplane Mode? AKA machine imposed self discipline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've got a Kobo Vox, good little e-reader. Has the whole wifi, email notification stuff... When it's time to read, I just turn on airplane mode. No more distractions and saves on the battery to boot!

  8. I like both forms, but printed is still best by Shivetya · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Printed is still the form I enjoy the most. First off I never fear losing a physical book, the value is low enough I don't care. Get e-readers down in that value and I might think the same.

    Then again probably not. For some reason I feel more relaxed with a paper book. For me there is still that put down, pickup, which just works better that way.

    I do enjoy reading on the Kindle much more than the Fire! or iPad. Mostly because I can take it outside and still read it.

    I would love to see publishers include a scratch off code or receipt activated code with books to get the ebook version. Kind of similar to how you can get the portable version of a movie.

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    1. Re:I like both forms, but printed is still best by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      First off I never fear losing a physical book, the value is low enough I don't care

      I will add to this that I do not fear casually tossing a printed book into my bag or onto my desk, dropping a pile of other books on top of it, etc. I am pretty worried about dropping my bag when it has a computer of any sort in it -- too many ways that dropping a computer could render it unusable.

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    2. Re:I like both forms, but printed is still best by vlm · · Score: 1

      I would love to see publishers include a scratch off code or receipt activated code with books to get the ebook version. Kind of similar to how you can get the portable version of a movie.

      A link to the torrent on the pirate bay would probably be more effective and cheaper, and its probably there already anyway.

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    3. Re:I like both forms, but printed is still best by vlm · · Score: 1

      Sadly $100 is less than the cost of one paper textbook. Crazy but true.

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    4. Re:I like both forms, but printed is still best by eternaldoctorwho · · Score: 1

      This. If your e-reader goes bad 10-20 years down the road, you lose all your books. The only way I can see myself losing all my paper books if there is a fire or some such disaster...which I doubt an e-reader would survive anyway. Plus, no worries about stashing a book in your travel bag, going on a long trip, and reading it at any time later. No recharging!

    5. Re:I like both forms, but printed is still best by msobkow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are many reasons I prefer a printed book to eReader or tablet forms.

      The first and most obvious is durability. If it gets wet, you just dry it out. It doesn't mind being tossed on a shelf or a desk (even violently). It's ok with being caught out in the rain if an unexpected downpour comes up.

      The second is portability. Books don't mind being crushed in a backpack. They can be used in almost ANY lighting conditions equally well. They can be safely mailed or lent to friends without worrying about whether they're going to "break" it.

      The third is loanability. It's easy to borrow or loan a book. You just hand it to the person, and hope they bring it back. DRM one-reader systems? Not so much.

      My remaining reasons are intangibles, like the pleasure of perusing shelves fully of books to see what someone likes to read, to find something you want to borrow, to have that visceral knowledge that "this is a person who likes to read and educate themselves" when you walk into a room and see boxes or shelves full of books.

      Reference materials are much better suited to online or eBook distribution because they need to be updated to correct any errors or omissions, and to add new information as it comes up. But for recreational reading, a paperback or hardcover that tells a tale doesn't need to be maintained.

      I can understand that if you already have a tablet or reader that you're carting around, they have the advantage of being able to contain your entire library of books, and that's a HUGE benefit to students and researchers. But when it comes to entertainment reading, I don't have multiple volumes on the go at one time -- I'm reading A book, from start to finish, and enjoying every minute of it.

      Perhaps the most important feature of a printed book is the fact that I OWN it. There is no chance of the publisher or author coming knocking at my door and saying "we changed our mind -- we want your book back" as has ALREADY happened with the eReader market. Even if I bought my book from an "illegal vendor" of some kind, it's still MY BOOK. There can be no "takedown notice" for it.

      And that last point is the most important of all, because it means that in the future when some asshole demands that the book be taken off the market and censored, I'll still have my copy.

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    6. Re:I like both forms, but printed is still best by msobkow · · Score: 2

      One last point on the censorship: The printed page is also not subject to "Lucas Edits" of the story.

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    7. Re:I like both forms, but printed is still best by Jonner · · Score: 2

      There's nothing wrong with preferring printed books and I'm sure most people will for some time. There is something wrong with attacking a technology as "damaging society" just because you don't understand it and don't like to use it personally as Franzen has done.

    8. Re:I like both forms, but printed is still best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At a used book store, it's more like 50-100 books for that $100. I have hundreds of books that I've gotten from various used book sales for less than a quarter per book. There's about 150 years worth of printed books still in circulation and available for next to nothing. E-books make sense for technical documentation (though printed copies can still be useful), but the economics just don't make sense for casual reading.

    9. Re:I like both forms, but printed is still best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Durability: You may be able to drop a paper book, but you can't back it up. Destroy both a paper book and an ebook reader, and you still have the ebook. So no clear winner here.

      Portability: Are you serious? I have close to 1,500 books on my ebook reader. Despite your valid points, as soon as you find a way to shove 1,500 paper books in your backpack, then you can come back and talk about portability.

      Loanability: Since I never buy ebooks with DRM, I can "loan" all my books to whomever I want, and keep them at the same time! I will admit, however, that I am different from the vast majority of people who buy and read ebooks. So I'll concede you this one.

      Intangibles: I'll concede you this one too. I have no "pride" in my ebook collection except for the sheer number of books, while a lot of people have pride in their physical library.

      Funnily enough, I have just the opposite opinion as you on the Reference vs. recreational books. Current ebook technology is unsuitable for reference books. Support for pseudo-textual constructs like mathematical equations is limited at best, and you can't write in the margins of ebooks. Plain text books like novels, however, don't suffer from these limitations.

      And as far as OWNING a book goes, again, I simply say, don't buy ebooks with DRM. Or if you do, make sure you can crack it. And don't buy any piece of computer technology that allows someone else to revoke your ability to do what you want with it. That's just common sense for any digital data.

      So I agree there is a place for physical books, and there is a place for ebooks. Each person needs to weigh the pros and cons and decide which route to go.

    10. Re:I like both forms, but printed is still best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first and most obvious is durability. If it gets wet, you just dry it out. It doesn't mind being tossed on a shelf or a desk (even violently). It's ok with being caught out in the rain if an unexpected downpour comes up.

      if it gets wet, it is easily destroyed. i don't know if its *that* durable. it can also tear more easily than an ereader. exciting book? don't flip the page too quickly, you may tear. don't get me wrong, you can drop an ereader in the pool, but dropping the paperback in the pool will probably destroy it more often than not. and a decent cover will work in the rain. plus, it's more easily hid in a pocket or jacket than the paperback, plus those few dots of rain will wipe off an ereader, but it'll permanently warp that book.

      The second is portability. Books don't mind being crushed in a backpack. They can be used in almost ANY lighting conditions equally well. They can be safely mailed or lent to friends without worrying about whether they're going to "break" it.

      You don't need to crush an ereader anywhere. if you need to *crush* it somewhere, you wouldn't have enough room for that physical book either.

      to have that visceral knowledge that "this is a person who likes to read and educate themselves" when you walk into a room and see boxes or shelves full of books.

      That visceral knowledge is just that, visceral. It's only a feeling. In no way is it true that the person is definitely educated. It may just be for show.

    11. Re:I like both forms, but printed is still best by OFnow · · Score: 2

      Buy from Baen, their books are drm free and the publisher cannot take it back any more easily than they can take a physical book back. And you can loan it to a friend.

    12. Re:I like both forms, but printed is still best by dwillden · · Score: 1

      Sure, if you only store your books on your reader, and you never upgrade, oh but not even then are you correct. I have a Rocket ebook from 2001, if I plug it in the books are still there and accessible. As to my current library, it's on my reader (Nook), my computer, an external HD and all purchased ones are available on the sites I purchased them from. The last source is the one most likely to disappear, but it's not a big concern. All the books I have on the old rocket reader were from Baen so when I bought the Nook I just re-downloaded them in the new format. Oh and the books in the reader are actually on a micro SD card in the reader and are thus easily transferable.

      As to traveling, well that's what finally sold me on getting my nook. I went on a two week business trip to Cambodia. I packed eight books along (that being all I had room for). I had six of them read by the time I got over there, finished off the last couple withing a day or two of arrival and had nothing to read until I hit a stateside airport again. Counter that with the ability to have thousands of books on my reader at a time, and only needing interweb access to get more books. A book does not last me long. Power and internet were available to me in Cambodia, an English language book store or library was not.

      The next two week trip I took, I took only my nook for reading material. I read 12.5 books and never once plugged it in. Power was again readily available but I wanted to see if it really would last me. And it did. Additionally the nook took less space than one book, let alone 8 to 13.

      Now lets look at hard copy. If my Nook gets wet or dropped, I get another reader and transfer the SD card, or just re-download them. Conversely, with many of the paperbacks I own I have to be careful reading them because the crappy glue they use fails and the books try to fall apart on me. Then there is the storage, and issues when moving. My library was the most space and weight consuming portion of my possessions. I like books, I read and re-read them. I like to keep books. That results in several bookshelves filled two and three layers deep (paperback novels). I have more e-books than hardcopy now, but my entire e-library fits on the SD card inside my Nook.

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    13. Re:I like both forms, but printed is still best by GodInHell · · Score: 1

      My remaining reasons are intangibles, like the pleasure of perusing shelves fully of books to see what someone likes to read, to find something you want to borrow, to have that visceral knowledge that "this is a person who likes to read and educate themselves" when you walk into a room and see boxes or shelves full of books.

      * * *

      I can understand that if you already have a tablet or reader that you're carting around, they have the advantage of being able to contain your entire library of books, and that's a HUGE benefit to students and researchers. But when it comes to entertainment reading, I don't have multiple volumes on the go at one time -- I'm reading A book, from start to finish, and enjoying every minute of it.

      Just a note here - this is something referenced by the summary as well:

      e-books can never have the magic of the printed page. 'I think, for serious readers, a sense of permanence has always been part of the experience. Everything else in your life is fluid, but here is this text that doesn't change.'"

      So -- okay -- if I'm going to buy a copy of Lord of the Rings to read to my child (other than the three copies I already have -- they seem to appear on my shelves without my knowledge) then, yes, I want to retain a copy of that very cool book because the book and the memory go together. If, on the other hand, I'm buying something to read on the train, my choice is to (a) buy a permanent copy of a paperback (hardback is 3-4 times more pricey than the digital version, also heavy and bigger than my tablet) or (b) buy it online, have access to it from work or home, have it in my tablet wherever I want -- and when I finish it I can grab the sequel *immediately* . . . even while I'm mid-commute.

      There are still plenty of use-cases for physical books. However, for my every-day reading -- why the hell would I *want* a copy of the newest 10-book series on my reading list stalking my book shelves until given away, sold or trashed?

      Eventually the tablet will win out for daily reading -- its too convenient. All the arguments about survivability of the tablet, whether it can be crushed etc, are already becoming less relevant. My Xoom can handle getting tossed on a desk just fine TYVM. Supposedly the Xyboard (Why moto WHY!? Can't you just name it the DroidTablet or something? Ugh.) is even tougher.

      Circling back to the article's thesis -- I have a solution -- airplane mode. Turn off the network connection -- that increases battery life and decreases distractions. Also ... how is that /less/ distracting than reading my kindle with my phone buzzing away next to me?

      -GiH

    14. Re:I like both forms, but printed is still best by dwillden · · Score: 1

      All my e-books are stored not only on the device where theoretically the publisher or seller can pull a Lucas edit or 1984 it Amazon style, or just yank it entirely but are also stored in other locations and formats where they don't have that ability.

      Get a decent case for your reader and crushing isn't that big a deal. Same for rain or other random splashes of wetness. And most e-devices, if you pull the battery and let them dry thoroughly will recover better than a book where ink may spear or run and pages stick together.

      Light, an e-ink reader is exactly as flexible as to light and readability. Tablets with LCD back-lighting are difficult to read in daylight but can be easily read in total darkness unlike e-ink or paper.

      No arguments about being able to visually choose from shelves. That is a benefit, but those shelves take up space and are a pain to move.

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    15. Re:I like both forms, but printed is still best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >If it gets wet, you just dry it out.

      Aside from the wrinkles, staining, and/or mold, yeah, just dry them out and things will be peachy.

      >Books don't mind being crushed in a backpack.

      Hah, I'm guessing your memory of your college years has faded. They get ground up pretty well in a backpack during an active semester. I'll grant that electronics fare considerably worse but your point is still BS.

    16. Re:I like both forms, but printed is still best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, after the Great Flood (pipe burst upstairs), many of my Dead Tree books have never been the same. And no one can doubt I'm literate. One reason I switched to eBooks was I was running out of places to pile physical books.

      The eReader devices - or at least the Nook series - are fairly durable. Just don't sit on them. And e-ink is readable under essentially the same conditions as paper.

      Lendability is important to me, though. Barnes & Noble did a pretty good job on that, and it has made the difference between sale/no sale on more than one occasion. I'm far more likely to buy a lendable book.

      I do agree about ownership. One thing I don't like about the high-end Nook devices is that the "purchased" books are no longer side-load visible. Some day B&N could do a "Borders" and shut down their servers, so I want to have copies of "my" books where they're not held hostage. Amazon was even worse. I used to buy almost all my books, dvds, and assorted toys through Amazon, but after "1984", I don't buy anything from them at all.

      I am diametrically opposite on reference books, however. Usually I prefer them in dead tree form. Few reference books are properly formatted for the smaller screens and what a phone or 7-inch tablet can do to a PDF is unspeakable. Even when the job is done right, however, a lot of the benefit of reference books and technical magazines is that I discover things by randomly flipping through them, and that works better with paper pages than most reader software.

      Somehow, however, despite all the temptations and distractions, though, I still manage to keep using the reader for its primary purpose. Reading.

    17. Re:I like both forms, but printed is still best by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      Are you seriously expecting an eInk reader to be the price of a novel? Because that will never happen, one of the reasons being that you'll still have to buy the novel. In such a case, they'd have to be giving those things out for free to match your price expectation.

    18. Re:I like both forms, but printed is still best by matthiasvegh · · Score: 1

      Reference materials are much better suited to online or eBook distribution because they need to be updated to correct any errors or omissions, and to add new information as it comes up.

      Actually, I find it's the other way around: Fiction I start at the start, and go through it page by page like everyone else. But searching through reference material requires the ability to flick through the pages, which can be easily done with a physical book. Sure, you might be able to search on an eReader, if your looking for a diagram you're kind of screwed.

    19. Re:I like both forms, but printed is still best by swillden · · Score: 1

      The first and most obvious is durability. If it gets wet, you just dry it out. It doesn't mind being tossed on a shelf or a desk (even violently). It's ok with being caught out in the rain if an unexpected downpour comes up.

      Durability really isn't an issue. I keep a large plastic baggie tucked in the pocket on my Galaxy Tab's cover. In wet environments, I just drop it in the baggie... and I can even keep reading! No worries about water spots on the pages. It's also been tossed on shelves and desks, dropped, etc. With a basic cover, there's not much risk of anything short of driving a truck over it.

      Also, all of my non-DRM'd ebooks are backed up to multiple locations. Whatever the durability of the reader, the durability of the actual ebook is unparalleled.

      The second is portability. Books don't mind being crushed in a backpack. They can be used in almost ANY lighting conditions equally well. They can be safely mailed or lent to friends without worrying about whether they're going to "break" it.

      My tablet doesn't mind being crushed in a backpack. It can be used in any lighting condition, including full darkness, without need for a separate lamp or light (I do most of my reading in bed at night, and even a little book like annoys my wife, but the slight glow of dim white text on a black background on my tablet doesn't bother her at all). It works fine in full daylight, too, though I find it helps to change it to black text on a white background. Most of the eBooks I buy are from Baen, who doens't do DRM, so I can actually e-mail them a copy of a book -- in multiple formats so they can use whatever sort of reading device they want. Or they can print it on paper if they like.

      Also, eBooks have huge portability advantages over paper books. I carry a whole library on my tablet; hundreds of books. Even better, I have all of the same books on my phone so my entire library fits in my pocket, and is basically always with me.

      There's an additional benefit with Amazon Kindle books and Google Books, too -- both readers sync my reading location to the cloud, so I can read for a while on my tablet at home, then if I have a little time to kill while waiting in line at the grocery store or something I can whip out my phone and pick up right where I left off on the tablet. When I get home, I pick up the tablet and continue on. (I really need to find an epub reader that syncs to DropBox or something so the same will work with my Baen books. It'll come.)

      The third is loanability. It's easy to borrow or loan a book. You just hand it to the person, and hope they bring it back. DRM one-reader systems? Not so much.

      Yeah. DRM sucks. A big reason I prefer Baen. Given that the music industry finally had to give up on DRM, I'm hopeful that the book industry will get there as well.

      My remaining reasons are intangibles, like the pleasure of perusing shelves fully of books to see what someone likes to read, to find something you want to borrow, to have that visceral knowledge that "this is a person who likes to read and educate themselves" when you walk into a room and see boxes or shelves full of books.

      You can still see that about other people and their shelves of books. Your decision about whether or not to go electronic doesn't affect them, after all. If your concern is that they can't see your shelves, well, yeah, that's a problem. Build a web site of all the books you read or something.

      Perhaps the most important feature of a printed book is the fact that I OWN it.

      Again, DRM sucks. To me it's the biggest argument against eBooks. For reference books, a lesser argument is that I find that while ebooks are more searchable, paper books are more "flippable".

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    20. Re:I like both forms, but printed is still best by rochrist · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, there are a whole hell of lot of books that aren't published by Baen. Fortunately, I don't find current ebook pricing to be, for the most part, that out of line.

  9. iPad causes iCancer by locopuyo · · Score: 2

    eBooks are meant for eReaders with eInk not iPads with nasty iCancer light emitting screens.

    1. Re:iPad causes iCancer by doggo · · Score: 1

      So... you're saying light gives you cancer? Do you also fear light bulbs? Fluorescent tubes? Halogen? LEDs?

      I'm pretty sure our light sources, short of the actual sun, are not giving us cancer.

    2. Re:iPad causes iCancer by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      eBooks are meant for eReaders with eInk not iPads with nasty iCancer light emitting screens.

      Backlights cause cancer now? Must not have read that memo.

      We're doomed.

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  10. You can't... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ctrl + F in a paperbook.

    1. Re:You can't... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most books don't need to be searched, they're read sequentially.

    2. Re:You can't... by doggo · · Score: 1

      "Most books"? Are you sure? Do you know what the ratio is for fiction to non-fiction, or non-fiction history/biography/etc. to instruction/handbook/reference?

      I don't know those ratios, but you sound like you do. What are they?

  11. Kindle Fire great (when it works) by KaraMouse · · Score: 1

    We use the Kindle Fire primarily for children's books for my child. There are lots of free ones out there, so she's never bored. The problem is that stupid bug where the books are blank after download (sometimes they don't go blank until a few days after install). I've spent hours with support on email and chat trying to figure it out, and it always ends up back with "factory reset" and redownload everything.

    WHEN it works, it's great - especially the interactive books. I love it for the tech books - I can search and highlight. I like it for magazines - less waste. I like it for my text books at school.

    For 'fun reading', I'm still stuck on plain old dead-tree versions of books.

    There's a good use for the tablets for reading. There's a good use for the books, too. Don't be so hasty to disregard the tablets (well, once they work regularly, that is).

    Pricing structure needs adaptation, too. There is no reason for the Kindle version to cost the same as the dead tree version.

    1. Re:Kindle Fire great (when it works) by cdrguru · · Score: 2

      Pricing structure needs adaptation, too. There is no reason for the Kindle version to cost the same as the dead tree version.

      Why do you think that? Is it that you believe the price of the book is because the paper is so expensive? Or the shipping? Or is it that the retailer deserves no part and you should just be buying direct from the author?

      The problem is authors are generally OK with putting words together but not so great at actually producing a book. Talk to any published author and see if they think they could just get rid of the publisher, editor, copy editor, proofreaders, cover artist, etc. There might be a few that would say they can do it all themselves - but from the results I have seen on Amazon it isn't all that great "going it alone." Most of the authors out there are extremely happy with the staff of people that helped them take their collection of words and turn it into a polished finished product. And all of these people need to get paid.

      As far as the costs of paper, shipping and so forth go, books are very cheap to produce. Your average soft-cover book might cost about $2.50 to print in reasonably large quantities, and shipping is almost a joke - put 20 in a box and ship it for $10. Or even less. Book publishers get insane discounts from UPS because of the amount they ship.

      I would not expect the prices of ebooks to ever come down to $1 - unless you are looking for something done on a lark by someone. Sure, if I write something small and spend absolutely no time on polishing it it might be possible to have it listed somewhere for $1... and if thousands of people pay $1 I might be pretty happy about it. But to spend any real time on it apart from what I do normally to pay the bills would require getting a lot more than that from it. So at $1 you are going to get books written as a hobby by people that wouldn't understand what is wrong with it and how it isn't finished. You are also going to get ego-driven books where the author knows they have written a masterpiece that rivals all the works of literature over the last thousand years. Expect them to be promoting their book to college professors and saying their book needs to be part of their course on American Literature.

    2. Re:Kindle Fire great (when it works) by KaraMouse · · Score: 1

      I'm not looking for a $1 book by any means. $10-20 is reasonable. I think it's unreasonable to expect a $45 charge for an ebook (some exceptions for highly technical or textbooks).

    3. Re:Kindle Fire great (when it works) by dwillden · · Score: 1

      As to pricing. You just gave a guesstimated a very reasonable $3 a copy that could evaporate in the e-book realm. So why are they charging the same or even more than the paperback costs for the e-book? Last time I was at Barnes & Noble I wandered through the sci-fi section looking at what was new. I found a book I thought interesting the paperback cost 7.99 the e-book cost 9.99!

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  12. Use the right tool! by Per+Wigren · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Moving and/or interactive stuff: Use a tablet.
    Reading books: Use a REAL e-book reader with an e-ink screen.

    E-books are still the future, people new to them just have to learn to read them on a proper reader, like the Sony PRS-T1, Kindle, Nook etc.

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    1. Re:Use the right tool! by Tom · · Score: 1

      I'll use a table, simply because I already happen to own one, and I'm not carrying around a second device.

      That said, I do prefer my books on paper. However, I take lots of notes on most books I read, and that's one thing an e-book reader has going for it. So I can't say what I'll be reading a couple years from now.

      My other account has a 3-digit UID.

      Say Hi. :-)

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  13. A tablet is a very poor e-reader by ip_freely_2000 · · Score: 2

    I have a tablet and a Kindle (e-ink) and they are very different devices when it comes to reading. I can read for hours on my Kindle, but on my Xoom, the backlight and glare gives me headaches after about 20 minutes or so.

    1. Re:A tablet is a very poor e-reader by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      I can read for hours on my iPad. I just turn the backlight down, or, if I'm reading in bed, go to white text on black. It's funny, I see people with iPads (haven't seen a non iPad tablet out in the wild just yet) with the screen brightness up at +11. Yeah, that gives me a headache. But it turn it down to something more reasonable and no problem.

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    2. Re:A tablet is a very poor e-reader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read an awful lot on my ipad, reason #1: I spend a lot of time traveling, and only have so much room. #2: the ipad can stand on tray and I can read it without turning on the overhead light.

  14. change... by Bongo · · Score: 0, Redundant

    In other news, kids are used to frequent task shifting and tuning into multiple things at the same time.

    1. Re:change... by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      And doing each one of those things equally poorly, lol.

  15. ebook != tablet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You might as well be reading on a TV.

  16. I love my tablet for reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's great to be able to read anywhere on a whim (since the tablet gets tossed into my backpack most days). It's nice that it keeps my place across multiple devices, that I can search, etc. I love it for textbooks/reference books since I can search for what i need and highlight sections easily. I'm not even a student :-) I can see what they mean about distractions but that's a matter of self control...which some people seem to lack.

  17. I disagree...read a lot on tablet by Chirs · · Score: 1

    I have a young kid and regularly read while he falls asleep in my lap in the evening. Using a tablet means I don't need a light shining on my kid and impeding sleep.

    It also means that I can use the device that I already have. As for headaches and eye strain, I've never had a problem. That said, I do look forward to the spread of high-resolution screens with the advent of the ipad3.

    Personally, my biggest problem with ebooks on the tablet is that there isn't a great selection available from the public library. Our library has a really great selection of paper books, but for ebooks they're quite limited--mostly due to the publishers.

    1. Re:I disagree...read a lot on tablet by vlm · · Score: 1

      Personally, my biggest problem with ebooks on the tablet is that there isn't a great selection available from the public library. Our library has a really great selection of paper books, but for ebooks they're quite limited--mostly due to the publishers.

      You're going to the wrong public library. My paper books public library is downtown by the river about a 15 minute drive away, but my ebooks public library is old fashioned u****t (1) alt.binaries.whatever it is and to a lesser extent the torrent sites. Poor handling of djvu files on tablets annoys me. Also some of the PDFs I have are excellent scans on a desktop but 80 gigs is a big large for a tablet to eat.

      1) The first rule of u****t is we don't talk about u****t....

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  18. Arrogance by mseeger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How i love terms like

    serious readers

    It is the reader, that has become faulty. Our good product is not appreciated and understood by him. He doesn't use it according to specs.

    Wake up guys! This is still the customer we are talking about ;-).

    1. Re:Arrogance by tunapez · · Score: 1

      I loathe unserious readers and their PEBBAC support calls...

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  19. I Still Like Books by richg74 · · Score: 1

    I have not yet seen an electronic display that is as comfortable to read, in varying light conditions, as printing on paper, although the Kindle is considerably better than most. Books don't require chargers or power adapters, and they are quite durable. I have books that I got 40-50 years ago, including my high school yearbooks, that are in fine shape; I rather doubt your tablet will make its first decade. And, as exemplified by those yearbooks, people can interact with a book easily. I wouldn't write in most books, but do make small marginal notes in my reference books fairly often.

    1. Re:I Still Like Books by mindcandy · · Score: 1

      Kindle DX. Seriously .. borrow one from somebody and try it.
      Assuming non-DRM'd .mobi files that are properly backed up, they will be 100% identical forever.

    2. Re:I Still Like Books by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      Don't use the word Kindle, because that simply puts a commercial label on the technology. The Kindle uses the same Pearl eInk screen that most eReaders do these days, and it is a disservice to other manufacturers of these readers and to the consumers to just label everything a Kindle.

  20. Security of print by michaelmalak · · Score: 1

    here is this text that doesn't change.

    The printed page offers some authentication: yellowing of the page attests to age (or carbon dating for more precision), missing pages are readily apparent due to the running sequence counter, and alterations to the typography are difficult to forge. In essence, the printed page employs a redundancy of quadrillions times over -- quadrillions of molecules are involved to present one character of text to the reader. It is this redundancy that affords the secure authentication of the printed page.

    EBooks have many drawbacks, but considering the authentication drawback in isolation, eBooks would have to come with a digital signature like an MDA, and a master catalog of MDA's would have to be maintained and well-distributed (to prevent someone from surreptitiously changing an MDA in just one authoritative place).

  21. Ebooks ftw by Confusedent · · Score: 1

    Seems absurd, the only reason I bought and the primary reason I ever use my tablet is for reading ebooks. I can download packs of thousands and store them all on there, and carry thousands around with my everywhere I go. Never noticed any distractions or anything either. My bookshelf is pretty much obsolete now; I can already tell it's only a matter of time until I get rid of/donate almost all the physical copies, and I genuinely resent the few times I can't get a digital copy of something.

    1. Re:Ebooks ftw by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's absurd. There are numerous studies that found that people are almost compulsive about checking email, reloading news pages, spending hours on reddit. It's almost an addiction, and a device that can do all of that, for someone that's weaker in that respect, would be awful. I just know I'd be browsing /r/aww all day instead of finishing up a book or newspaper.

  22. Distracting for the easily distracted, maybe. by kotj.mf · · Score: 1

    I dunno. I've been using the hell out of my Nook Tablet since my wife got it for me for Christmas, and it's provided a nice middle ground for me. The web browser is good enough to check Facebook or read a few newspaper articles, but not good enough to provide a fully interactive experience beyond typing a couple of one sentence emails or hitting a "like" button. On the other hand, I've probably dropped two hundred bucks on ebooks in the last three months. Instant gratification has its merits. Instead of hoofing it to the book store (which most likely won't have what I'm looking for) or ordering something from Amazon (in which case I'll have to wait a couple of days), I can get buy something new right then and there. I spend more of my free time reading instead of idly browsing the web. Oddly enough, I'm still buying hard copies of stuff - like reference books, cook books, and substantive non-fiction and literature. The Nook is my platform of choice for the brain candy SF that I'd be embarrassed to display on the shelves in my living room.

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  23. Grrr get off my lawn by blahbooboo · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Seriously, this guy sounds like hundreds of other e-book complainers. Meanwhile, every person I have given a Kindle to try out who said they would never give up paper books are converts within a week. eBooks are great because you can have tons of books always with you, they are light, and if you finish one you boook you instantly can get another one.

    1. Re:Grrr get off my lawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Books aren't like music. I don't need to go from one to the next without a moment's pause. I want to reflect, I want to decide which book I'm going to read next, and I want to see what I've waded through.

      I've tried to read a few books on my Kobo and I way prefer a real book. They practically hold themselves open, so I don't have to strain to hold them. I can see my progress through the book, which helps when the middle starts to sag, and can turn pages instantly. I can speed-read two pages at once instead of something the size of a postcard, wait a second then speed read the next page. Turning pages is slow enough that I sometimes lose track of the sentence between page turns. I don't need to carry all my books with me at once and I can lend them to my friends. I just haven't seen any benefits of ebooks - that and the fact that most of the books I read are cheaper to buy in print than electronically.

    2. Re:Grrr get off my lawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did the same thing to the Kindle that I do to my books. Rolled over it in my sleep, cracked the screen. I'm super pissed.I'm not out 150 bucks if I roll over my book.

      I use books to help me sleep so I'm kind of fucked as far as that goes.

  24. I was just thinking about this yesterday by ali.khalil · · Score: 1

    I've recently decided to rack up some certifications and have been scouting material I need to read and practice. I've tried several times dealing with e-Books and CBT content. But, it's the paper based material when I worked on it felt like the most productive sessions. I don't get distracted by emails, pop-up alerts, or temptation of visiting /. and the like. The paper written notes and doodles also go a long way in helping with absorbing the knowledge. I'm just a paper based guy while being an IT nerd. Paper is still a long way from going out of fasion.

  25. I did not see the pop-ups problem on any device. by MatanZ · · Score: 2

    For over 10 years, I am reading electronic books on platforms including Palm, Windows Mobile, Maemo, Kindle, Android.
    Except for "Battery out", I never saw any popup over the book I read. It is only a matter of configuration, and any computer user configures their device as they like it.

  26. E-books are not made by readers. by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only problem with e-books and e-readers is that they're clearly not made by readers.

    Books, the good ones at least and most of the bad ones too, pay attention to typography. Paragraph-optimized justification, hyphenation, hanging punctuation, ligatures, etc. All these little things that you take for granted with a dead-tree book, but without them it's a significantly poorer experience.

    You find books with left-aligned text, an ugly and jagged right edge carving out a large chunk of empty space on the right. Or worse, you get one that is justified. This is bottom-of-the-barrel justification, without hyphenation and very commonly leaving huge spaces between words.

    I've owned a Nook since launch day. I've read a large number of books on it, and I love it. But there is still a lot of room for improvement. I shouldn't need to import my ebooks into Adobe InDesign to make a PDF with proper typography.

    1. Re:E-books are not made by readers. by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Oblig XKCD.

      Once you get a feel for typesetting and some understanding of how print is laid out, these things become even more important than before.

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    2. Re:E-books are not made by readers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with optimizing for ebooks is that with something like a Kindle, you can increase and decrease the text size, which changes the layout on the page. Even among Kindles, the screen size differs (the DX is much larger than the Keyboard and the Fire is also different). And you can change the orientation to be horizontal rather than vertical if you're weird and you want to read like that.

      As someone with a background in design I know and love the importance of good book layouts versus terrible ones, but it's just not very easy to do the same with an electronic media that has so many different options/settings.

    3. Re:E-books are not made by readers. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Even spell checking and basic paragraph formatting would go a long way to make things more readable. An iPad 3 - with a higher DPI display - could give you a hardware platform that would answer your questions, but Amazon, at least, seems to be taking the low road when it comes to putting an effort into making kindle books actually readable.

      I'm hoping it will change over time, but I have my doubts.

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    4. Re:E-books are not made by readers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, there is a lot of room for improvement. There is one great reason for an eReader, though, and I have a 1st generation Nook for this reason.
      My eyesight is very bad, and the supply of books in large print is severely limited. With an eReader, that is not a problem. I don't have to find someone selling the large print version of the book. I can change the font size and style on my own, so that I can see it better. For a dedicated reader who loves paper, this one thing makes an eReader almost indispensable.

    5. Re:E-books are not made by readers. by Man+Eating+Duck · · Score: 1

      The only problem with e-books and e-readers is that they're clearly not made by readers.

      Books, the good ones at least and most of the bad ones too, pay attention to typography. Paragraph-optimized justification, hyphenation, hanging punctuation, ligatures, etc. All these little things that you take for granted with a dead-tree book, but without them it's a significantly poorer experience.

      I read a lot, and I make epubs for a publishing company. I've also made a lot of paper books in my time with the company, I've lost count by now, but more than a hundred. I unfortunately pay far too much attention to layout when reading, it's a curse of the trade.

      When making epubs, however, you're more or less at the mercy of whichever renderer the readers are using. For a wide marked you have to aim for basic readability on the largest number of screens, which means the lowest common denominator. PDFs just doesn't work for most readers. You also run into interesting problems like "which font is legal for distribution, has the glyphs we need, is readable on small size screens (backlit or not, with different colours), and oh, is not *too* ugly".

      What's good about ebooks, though, is that you can change the font, size and spacing if you want. You can usually get an acceptable result, though it'll never be as good as a paper book where the typesetter has only one target format. If you don't like the font of your a paper book, you're stuck with it.

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  27. Editorialized Rubbish From Dead Tree Flakes by Suggestive+Language · · Score: 1

    The NY Times reports that people who read ebooks on tablets like the iPad are beginning to realize that while a book in print is straightforward and immersive, a tablet is more like a 21st-century cacophony than a traditional solitary activity

    This article presents no sales figures, no trend graphs, and no statistics from actual book buyers. The only citation in the article that supports this assertion are the opinions of unspecified random publishers, an opinion survey - of publishers, and one random reader much perfers her tablet over paper books.

    The entire article is yet another example of poorly supported screed from out-of-touch haters in the tree killing industry pining for the past where publishers, rather than e-book authors, controlled publishing.

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  28. um ok by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    I have these distractions when I read anyway. The TV is on downstairs, the cats visit and want attention, the wife needs something, the phone rings, etc. This is all with a paper book! Tablets didn't invent this problem. They do, however, have airplane mode.

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  29. Physical vs Virtual by Krazy+Kanuck · · Score: 1

    The odds of my physical books being stolen from my house or lost in a fire are fairly remote, and I don't have to ask permission to use them. Having an e-book removed from my e-device is rather higher, and what happens to said e-books 20 years from now when some e-retailer turns the lights off? While there are temptations to move to this format, until the draconian restrictions have been removed (I am aware of a few alternatives, but choice is limited) I'll keep my money on the brick and motor shops instead.

    1. Re:Physical vs Virtual by Jiro · · Score: 1

      Getting lost in a fire is quite possible for real books. Paper burns well.

      That said, the overall chance of catastrophically osing a lot of books, or of losing a single book 20 years later, is going to be a lot lower.

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  31. You can't smell an eBook! by repetty · · Score: 2

    I enjoy the immersible experience of recreational reading but you can't smell a f*cking eBook!

    I love to plant my face right in the middle of a book and breath deeply and long. I like to fan out the pages of a book and then allow it to compress slowly, burping out its scented air. I know that I've enjoyed a particularly good reading session when I sport ink smudges on each side of my nose.

    For work and reference tasks, however, eBooks have a couple strong advantages.

    1. Re:You can't smell an eBook! by vlm · · Score: 1

      I enjoy the immersible experience of recreational reading but you can't smell a f*cking eBook!

      I love to plant my face right in the middle of a book and breath deeply and long. I like to fan out the pages of a book and then allow it to compress slowly, burping out its scented air.

      After some late night alcohol consumption (I don't drink much) I got into a conversation about selling scented "bookmarks" to squoosh into your kindle case along with the kindle for people with your ... interests ... but we could never get a straight answer on the smell you're looking for. Which I suppose fragments the market.

      There's a slightly musty smell which probably violates some health dept rules due to mold. Or the "old cellulose" odor (smell some old raw carpentry wood, not pine or cedar obviously). Then there's the slight, very slight acidic tang of browning decaying books. And mostly the organic solvent stench of inks.

      The solution we came up with, which will probably make a true book lover throw up, was to grind up and solvent extract old books... like when "half price books" can't even move it, rather than incineration or donation to prisons or whatever they do, we'd take care of it for them. The main killer of our idea was what solvent to extract with, that would not interfere with the stench of fresh ink.

      Further beer consumption led to origami style hardcover book "covers" for ipads and kindles. Looks, feels, smells just like a hardcover book, but there's a tablet in there.

      I don't remember it all but more beer led to an add on scratch and sniff or iSmell appliance for adventure, action, historical, and erotica novels.

      After sobering up the next morning, these brilliant ideas didn't go anywhere. Probably for the best.

      We gave up at the point of researching aromatherapy smells. I expect they probably have something you'd like.

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      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
    2. Re:You can't smell an eBook! by OFnow · · Score: 1

      I too love the smell of mold and mildew. Oh wait, that's not what you meant about smelling books.

    3. Re:You can't smell an eBook! by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      "breathe"

      Sounds like you spend more time smelling your books than reading them! :)

  32. "No true scotsman" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What a bunch of elitist nonsense. "Serious readers" indeed.

    There are a lot of different reasons people read, and there are some things that tablets are great at, some an eReader is great at, and times when a dead tree book is preferred.

    I'll still throw a dead tree novel in my backpack for casual reading, but it's not like it brings with it any sort of magic. It just isn't wise to pull out expensive electronics on the bus.

    But this "serious readers" stuff is crap. I read Moby Dick on my Treo 650 a few years ago. It's not like the story magically became smaller or less interesting. I'm sure these are the same "serious readers" who will only read leather-bound first edition hardcovers. A paperback? Beh. No SERIOUS READER would consider reading those.

    I like that I can have my entire library of reference materials on my droid tablet. It would just not be realistic to drag 100 fat programming manuals with me everywhere I go. I can search all that text by keyword. I can actually code on my android, so I can try out all those nifty HTML5/javascript/CSS tricks right there in the coffee shop. No "serious geek" would ever own an iPad. I know this for a fact because I have a different preference based on my particular needs, and I assume the entire world thinks exactly like I do, or else there must be something wrong with them.

  33. Wow... turn off wifi then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously if you're if you find it so hard to focus that you can't handle a popup once in a while put it in airplane mode. But I'm guessing you've got bigger problems than that.

    For the douchenozzle novelist who think 'serious' readers need paper books, eff-off. Tablets, e-readers and smart phones give me the freedom to read whenever and wherever I like. Guys like this need to get over themselves and realize that everything moves forward. Sounds like the music industry 15 years ago. eBooks are allowing more people to publish and giving readers more opportunity. This is all good unless you're a snobby bitch who likes to look down their nose at everyone.

  34. Distractions... yeah, I would agree by Omnifarious · · Score: 1

    I would agree with this assessment. I too have found it really difficult to concentrate on reading a book on a computer. It takes a lot more effort than a print one. While some of this is likely due to light-emitting (rather than light reflecting) displays being tiring to read, it also likely has to do with the menu of available distractions.

    I don't find the lack of permanence particularly disturbing. I've long considered the data on my hard-drive to have greater permanence than the data I have scattered around on DVDs or CDs or even books. But I do admit that I like showing of the many bookshelves of books I've read. :-) And the fact that so many ebooks come with DRM that could potentially deprive me of the work at any time due to the whims of the publisher or bookseller does give me a sense of disturbing ephemerality.

  35. I've heard this argument before... by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 2

    ...only it went like this:

    "I really hate these new 1200-baud modems. 300 baud is just the right speed for me to follow along, read, and think about what I'm reading. At 1200, I'm always having to control-S to pause the stream, and when there are a few short lines, I can lose my place in the text."

    Eventually, e-ink displays will be just as dynamic as today's tablets, maybe more so. Heck, eventually, paper will be that dynamic.

    If there's a mismatch between the content being displayed and our cognitive needs, fix the content. "Translating it down through a lower-Zone protocol" shouldn't be necessary.

    1. Re:I've heard this argument before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heck, eventually, paper will be that dynamic.

      Nope. Not a chance.

  36. 'The tablet is like a temptress' by dtmos · · Score: 1

    When I meet a temptress, she rarely says, "You could be on YouTube now."

  37. Aging business models by berryjw · · Score: 1

    This is no different from the music and movie industries, an industry desperately clinging to a business model which has become obsolete. It's all about entertainment and control - consumers who wish to be entertained, and those who wish to control how this happens and turn a profit. The consumers have taken to the electronic/digital world and found great entertainment, they will not change back, and anyone who thinks otherwise best go feed their horses and quit worrying about petrol prices. Unfortunately, the industries in question made so much money in the past they have enough to bleed a while longer before dying, and annoying everyone else in the process. John Q. Consumer doesn't need to buy a bit of plastic to enjoy his music, is quite content watching streaming content on a small screen rather than a huge one in a theatre, and generally enjoys carrying his library with him in a small device, rather than the massive pounds of paper formerly required. The first person to come up with the business model utilizing these to turn a profit wins. Oh wait, how much content did Apple sell last week?

  38. many ways to read by e**(i+pi)-1 · · Score: 1

    I make the same experience that it is harder to finish a book on a ebook reader, also due to distraction by other books. There are different reasons to read although. A library of books at my fingertip to look up something and not have to carry around a library. Not only for books. I used to photocopy every article remotely interesting to me. Its nice to have all these sources on one place now. Also for articles, distraction can kick in. While I used to carry around some few articles with me for months absorbing them to the latest detail, this is harder now. The electronic file goes into the electronic library, often not to be touched again.

  39. I don't feel like I own e-books by jjp9999 · · Score: 1

    I have a basic Kindle and was really into it for a while, but really, buying an e-book for the same price as a print book still feels odd to me. I like the Kindle for reading public domain books and Web documents, but when it comes to books I really want to get into I always buy the print edition. Having a book in print, you can see the full book, and not just isolated pages. You can also take them with you when you don't want to be distracted by anything, and just want to get into a story.

  40. How long will the books stay around? by Animats · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What bothers me about e-readers is the impermanence of the content. If the service goes away, will the content go away? That's happened many times with on-line music. Remember Wal-Mart Music? PlaysForSure? MTV Urge? Zune? If the service goes down, can you move your content to a new device? This is really tough with devices that talk to nothing but the service. Can you back up your e-reader? Maybe, sort of, sometimes.

    Even if the content is on the reader, will the service push an update that makes the reader dependent on the service? That's happened with games. There have been updates that made e-books go away.

    And don't even think about leaving your books to your kids.

    1. Re:How long will the books stay around? by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      What bothers me about e-readers is the impermanence of the content.

      Then buy DRM-free e-books and back them up.

    2. Re:How long will the books stay around? by BobNET · · Score: 1

      If the service goes away, will the content go away?

      I'm pretty sure if Project Gutenberg goes away, the content will still be on my hard drive.

    3. Re:How long will the books stay around? by OFnow · · Score: 1

      And don't even think about leaving your books to your kids.

      Yes, my copy of Lord of the Rings turned to yellow fragments too. Wait. Is that what you meant?

    4. Re:How long will the books stay around? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I too am concerned about the impermanence of the ebook format but there are ways to mitigate the issue.

      I have a Sony Reader that I enjoy, however I do not enjoy the DRM that comes with the books purchased from Sony. What to do? I strip the DRM from them using a series of Python scripts called IneptEPub. An epub book is simply a bunch of XHTML files enclosed in a zip wrapper. You can unzip them if you choose and read the markup source, or you can convert all the way down to a plain text file should you so desire.

      I also do not like Sony's Reader librarian software so I use Calibre instead. Calibre has a much more flexible way of handling books, it can convert between formats (assuming that the DRM is stripped from the source document), and now there is a third-party Inept plug-in for Calibre. Simply add a DRM book into Calibre and the DRM is stripped on import. Easy. The Calibre database is all located in one parent directory so copying it to a backup flash drive is a snap.

      Unfortunately there are some downsides to the technology. If you want to read in the bath you'd be best advised to put your reader into a ziplok bag. Few things are more frustrating that sitting down to read and finding that the battery has died on the reader. They are fairly robust items for a consumer piece of equipment. I don't have any qualms about lightly tossing my reader onto a table when done with it but you can't throw it across a room like a physical book and expect it to survive. My thinking is that an ebook reader is excellent for keeping lots of 'unimportant' books. Who really needs shelves and shelves full of old New York Times bestsellers? Keep the books that are important to you in physical form. For me that means the complete works of Shakespeare, an art book or two and some reference books that are either not available as ebooks or that I simply enjoy flipping through. Everything else lives on the computer. Have I had to repurchase some books that I had physical versions of? Sure. I also found that some were available for free as Gutenberg texts and others were available for free as promotional items and some I found in less-legal ways but I figure that I already paid for the physical book previously so it's not terribly different than ripping a CD that I own. At the same time my library was fairly small because after moving many times I simply gave away a lot of my books because I didn't re-read them and got tired of all the weight.

      On the other hand (and here is where I get philosophical) I find that a lot of people seem to be overly concerned with being able to keep things in perpetuity. At some point one has to be willing to let things go and be lost. There are a lot of people in the United States mid-west this week that lost their homes (and some lives) to tornadoes. Undoubtedly a lot of physical books were destroyed but they are inanimate objects and can be replaced. A lot of people discover that when many of the possessions they cling to are taken away that the vast majority weren't worth saving in the first place.

    5. Re:How long will the books stay around? by hsqueak · · Score: 1

      That's what backups are for. I back up my Kindle to 2 separate locations (redundancy is good), just like anything else with information I value.

    6. Re:How long will the books stay around? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why you only buy ebooks without DRM. Outfits like Baen and O'Rielly do this but unfortunately most publishers are not that smart.

  41. Horse hockey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love reading books on my iPad. I always have my iPad with me, so it's like having every book I could possibly want with me all the time.

    I don't have my iPad set for incoming alerts for things like emails, etc. So there's no popups happening while I'm reading. And while I'm on a plane (I spend at least 100 hours a year on airplanes) there's no "temptation to youtube". Hell there's no temptation to youtube anyway.

    I will never buy a device that just reads books. I predict in five years minimum, 10 years maximum the dedicated eBook reader will only be seen in museums.

  42. Why let distractions distract you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One has to turn off distractions when reading. Isn't this obvious?

  43. Huh? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Who are these ADHD people they did this scientific survey with? I find reading on a tablet IDENTICAL to reading the book, except I cant lose my place and can search easily.

    Honestly, I find reading on my iPad or my KindleDX far more enjoyable than a tiny paperback, so much so that I read a lot more now.

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  44. Bath by Lord+Lode · · Score: 1

    The only reason why I'd want an eBook reader (I don't have one yet btw), would be because with a waterproof cover it'd allow you to read while taking a bath without the danger of destroying your paper book if you'd accidently drop it. More efficient usage of your time!

    In general, I understand what I read more better and much faster when reading from paper than from a screen.

    1. Re:Bath by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could just take showers....

    2. Re:Bath by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ziplok bag. Not attractive but it works.

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  46. Truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...sense of permanence has always been part of the experience. Everything else in your life is fluid, but here is this text that doesn't change."

    This is the main reason I haven't purchased a kindle or a similar tablet. There is just something about having the book in front of you that makes the story that much better.

  47. Cost - Only real issue with eBooks by Vrallis · · Score: 2

    My only real issue with eBooks, period, is cost. Why the fuck does the ebook cost more than a paperback copy?!?!? Why does it usually cost as much as the damned hardcover?!?!

    eBooks were supposed to bring about a revolution. More people published, high profits for everyone involved, all while still costing radically less for the consumer. Instead it's become a pure money grab.

    1. Re:Cost - Only real issue with eBooks by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      eBooks were supposed to bring about a revolution. More people published, high profits for everyone involved, all while still costing radically less for the consumer.

      They have. I don't remember the last time I paid more than $2.99 for an e-book.

    2. Re:Cost - Only real issue with eBooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll just leave this here ... http://thepiratebay.se/search/ebook%20collection/0/7/0

    3. Re:Cost - Only real issue with eBooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were the chosen one, Anakin! You were supposed to bring balance to the force!

    4. Re:Cost - Only real issue with eBooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Completely agree. Also, ebooks have so many typos. It seems that the publishers don't use electronic copies and just scan from printed books and then don't even bother to proof-read. And I'm talking about modern best sellers that I paid full price for and not just old scanned books. Seems like no one complains and the publishers don't give a fart.

  48. Sony eReader by nawtykitty · · Score: 1

    I have a Sony eReader with no wifi access. It is simply a dedicated reader. I love it! No distractions, and it is the size of a paper-back. I have an iPad 2, and would never use it as an eReader. Except maybe for a local newspaper, and even then...

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  49. 1984 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I read "Everything else in your life is fluid, but here is this text that doesn't change." brought to mind the novel 1984 where the new is changed constantly to reflect the facts as the government wants them to be. I suppose digital versions of books make that easier. I already see it in online news where articles disappear.

  50. Dedicated devices... by ThisIsAnonymous · · Score: 1

    This is really just an example of dedicated devices outperforming multifunction devices. An actual physical book is a highly dedicated reading device (no battery etc.) for a single text. The Kindle basic is a mostly dedicated reading device. The iPad on the other hand is a multifunction computer. I'm not surprised that the most dedicated devices perform the best. That doesn't mean ebooks are dead. It just means a device with one very specific goal, such as a physical book, might provide a better experience that a multifunction device such as the iPad. The Kindle basic has just the right amount of technology to improve the basic reading experience without being intrusive.

  51. Colour is coming this year by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2

    http://www.hanvon.com/en/products/ebook/products-C920.html

    And.... sales of B&W e-ink readers plummet... Not suitable for first person shootemups.

    I still prefer real paper and the prices for ebooks are still far too high but is handy to have a library at my fingertips to choose from.

    You can't sell your read books on ebay or pass them on to friends. Big disadvantage.

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    1. Re:Colour is coming this year by ghostdoc · · Score: 3, Informative

      I paid for my Kindle within 6 months, purely from the difference in retail prices for books (in Australia we have ridiculously high prices for books because we have retarded protectionist laws on book publishing). I'm paying $10ish for a download to the Kindle, $25 for a dead tree paperback...doesn't take many books to pay back the cost.
      There's third-party library management software (I use Calibre: http://calibre-ebook.com/ ) that will manage your library on the PC and allow you to format-shift which then allows you to email the books to friends (provided they've got an e-reader of course).

      And then of course I discovered that most of the pirate sites have a few thousand ebook torrent links. Not being able to sell second-hand books becomes pretty irrelevant when you can just grab what you want from the tubes for free, send it to your friends for free (and still have your copy available too of course).

      I understand why a published author dedicated to the appreciation of fine literature would be worried about ebooks. The business model for novels is pretty much screwed by ebook piracy. However, as usual, I think all we'll lose is the commercial shite and the people who really want to write will continue to write. It's just harder to see how they'll get paid to do it.

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    2. Re:Colour is coming this year by Guspaz · · Score: 2

      Baen has proven (and by this, I mean they have sales numbers proving it) that eBook piracy is so not a problem that it actually increases sales. Hence why Baen gives away many of their books for free (free library) and indirectly (distribute-freely license on their CD ISOs).

      In terms of published authors, they make a lot more money from an eBook sale than a paperback sale, so as long as they see eBooks as replacing paperbacks and not hardcovers (which make far more money than either), they don't seem to mind for the most part.

    3. Re:Colour is coming this year by Guspaz · · Score: 2

      Colour is coming this year. Worthwhile colour isn't. I love eInk's pearl displays, but Triton, their first colour display, is garbage. The 10:1 contrast ratio on monochrome e-Ink is fine, and better than paperback books (which I believe are 8:1). But their Triton (colour) displays merely stick some colour filters on top of existing eInk pearl displays to produce an RGBW display, and those contrast ratios are just not high enough for that to work.

      You compromise the monochrome image quality, and the colours are incredibly muted anyhow. Taking a look at Triton products (even Hanvon products) should illustrate how useless it is:

      http://goodereader.com/blog/electronic-readers/e-ink-triton-wins-innovation-of-the-year-award/

      I think that eventually we'll get this right (perhaps when they make the stuff with actual coloured capsules rather than colour filters), but for now, monochrome is where it's at.

    4. Re:Colour is coming this year by aslagle · · Score: 1

      I couldn't agree more. I own a Kindle (several actually, among several members of my family), and just recently an ebook came out from one of my favorite authors. It was the latest in a series, and I was going to buy it anyway.

      Just on a hunch, I checked on Amazon ($12.99), then checked on Baene-books.com ($6.00). You can guess which store I bought from. The Baen e-Book also came without DRM.

      People will buy e-books, if they're sold at a reasonable price.

    5. Re:Colour is coming this year by ghostdoc · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the tip, and it's good to know we can pay the authors direct and remove the godawful publishing houses as middlemen :) Hope++

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    6. Re:Colour is coming this year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And in other news, they have bookshops in Australia.

    7. Re:Colour is coming this year by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      I paid for my Kindle within 6 months, purely from the difference in retail prices for books (in Australia we have ridiculously high prices for books because we have retarded protectionist laws on book publishing). I'm paying $10ish for a download to the Kindle, $25 for a dead tree paperback...doesn't take many books to pay back the cost.

      $25 for a paperback is absurd. It's true that new, hardcover books often cost that much, and the e-book version is cheaper, but the e-book versions are now comparable (sometimes slightly less, some times actually more) than paperbacks.

      Not being able to sell second-hand books becomes pretty irrelevant when you can just grab what you want from the tubes for free, send it to your friends for free (and still have your copy available too of course).

      Well, I don't know what to say... someone on slashdot advocating copyright infringement doesn't surprise me, but using the fact that you can do something illegally (so that right of resale isn't a problem) still bothers me.

      I understand why a published author dedicated to the appreciation of fine literature would be worried about ebooks. The business model for novels is pretty much screwed by ebook piracy.

      It doesn't help that so many people - like you - casually support "piracy."

      I would prefer no-DRM (and no piracy), but sadly don't expect people to have the integrity not to steal, so I would settle for DRM with right to resell (and give) left intact.

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  52. Oh my brother! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...e-ink really is a vastly better way to read lots of text. I can read much faster and more comfortably on my Kindle than on the iPad.

    YES!

    What I've been doing is creating my own ebooks from websites that have a lot of material that I need to read. I just can't read on a monitor if it's a large amount of text.

    This is what I do:
    either use a conversion website or Sigil. I should also mention that I have a 1st gen. Nook - ePub format - so I don't know how my system would work with the Kindle.

    The only kink in my system is PDF. A lot of "ebooks" out there are on PDF and PDF is the shittiest format for electronic book readers. PDF is really for printers.Don't get me wrong, when I want a dead tree copy, PDF rocks, but I'm trying to get away from paper - it's too expensive.

    Talley up the costs of printing a PDF - either at home or at an office supply store - it adds up fast!

    Stealing a book in PDF format? Plah-ease! It's a hell of lot cheaper just to buy the printed book from Amazon if you need a hard copy.

    1. Re:Oh my brother! by alexgieg · · Score: 3, Informative

      What I've been doing is creating my own ebooks from websites that have a lot of material that I need to read. I just can't read on a monitor if it's a large amount of text. This is what I do: either use a conversion website or Sigil.

      Another good tool is calibre, which, among tons of other functions, such as being an e-library manager and providing the ability to automatically strip DRM out if you're so inclined (and manage to find the 3rd party plugins required), allows one to automatically download new blog entries and transfer them to an e-reader on a regular basis. As for individual long web pages, I really like Instapaper, configured to send the pages I queued to my Kindle once a week (it provides a daily option too).

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  53. Text that never changes? by lord+sibn · · Score: 1

    Tell that to Samuel Clemens...

  54. Personal experience by nine-times · · Score: 1

    My experience is personal and anecdotal, but here goes:

    I bought an iPad when the first model was released, with the intention of using it to read ebooks. I'm a very digital-oriented person, and I have loads of books but I don't especially like clutter. After a few months, I had gotten rid of my iPad because I didn't like it for reading. There were a myriad of reasons.

    For one, as the summary says, I kept getting tempted to do other things. I had games on my iPad, a web browser, and music. I had email beeping at me on a regular basis. I would find myself watching Netflix when I had intended to sit down and read. I found the experience unpleasant and tense, which is generally the opposite of my experience reading.

    Just recently, someone gave me an iPad 2, and I had been carrying around a big thick book, so I decided to give it another try. I didn't sync my music library to the device, and I turned off email notifications. I changed the theme to the "sepia" colors instead of the default bright-white theme, and set iBook to "full screen', which turns off the fake-book skin. For some reason, for me, those visual changes made it much more pleasant to read. Also, the iPad 2 is significantly faster and more responsive than my original iPad was. I now use the iPad almost exclusively for reading books and news articles, and I'm getting used to it.

    So manly the advantages at this point is that I don't have to carry around books (the iPad is actually lighter than many books that I read), and I can readily buy and download books without going to the store. Also, importantly, I can get public domain books for free. Given my commute and my desire to avoid clutter in my apartment, these are significant advantages. It's also nice to have a web browser that I can take with me without bringing a full computer.

    On the other hand, I do miss books. I like the smell of them and the tactile experience. The big problem that I have is that I will miss the ability to lend or gift books to people. Still, overall, I'm getting used to it. I agree to some extent with the idea that e-ink displays are better for reading, but the ability to have a real full-color web browser on the same device makes it worth the sacrifice. Still, my biggest complaint is theoretical-- the inability to lend/share books, and the fear that if I build a nice digital library, I may one day be denied access to that library because of DRM.

  55. Overwhelmed with choices, not distractions by swb · · Score: 1

    IMHO, the problem is less about distractions but being overwhelmed with choices.

    With an iPad, for example, you have basically the entire Internet at your fingertips, along with music, video, ebooks, magazines.

    There's so many choices that the distraction isn't interruptions from email, etc, but that you can't really decide what to do. With a paper book, you've made a much greater mental commitment because you have actually made a "final" choice, since the book only does one thing.

    I've owned portable music players since the first Walkman, but the iPod sometimes makes me less interested in music because there are too many choices.

    When I went walking with a cassette Walkman, it really wasn't practical to carry more than a couple of 'extra' cassette tapes, and sometimes none at all, so you listened to what you had. With my iPod and 40 GB of music, there are times where I skip around so much it seems like I don't really listen to anything.

    Other problems include just wearing out songs I like because it's so easy to play them over and over, or never spending enough time listening to something to understand it's appeal -- if it doesn't provide immediate gratification, skip it.

  56. Jonathan Franzen by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

    Who is considering Franzen America's greatest living novelists? I am sure if you did a poll of Americans less than 1% of Americans would know who he is.

    1. Re:Jonathan Franzen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hipster NYT editors.

  57. Competition between the entertainment forms by ThePhilips · · Score: 2

    offering a menu of distractions that can fragment the reading experience, or stop it in its tracks.

    People try to make it news that users can't organize themselves? For years I have read e-books on my laptop just fine. Not even in the full-screen mode. On one side.

    On the other side, IMO it is more about the fact that most of the books are at best mediocre. So when given a choice, and e-book+tablet gives that choice, brains say "I'd rather watch cat videos on the YouTube." When I'm reading an interesting book on my e-book reader (not tablet), with laptop being readily available at hand, I rarely have the impulse to do something else. Because the book is interesting.

    It is an open competition between the entertainment forms for the free time (and money) of the user. Many books (just like many movies or games), sadly, lose to the cat videos in entertainment value. And that's nothing new.

    But I can image that some have missed the fact that books became predominantly an entertainment form - and have much less cultural value than they had say few decades before. That is rather normal: book publishing become cheaper and many things which previously were not deemed before to be worth the paper, now are published. Especially with e-books, literally anything can be published cheaply. And thus everything gets published. But that, unlike some time ago, doesn't give automatically everything published the same value as the books of the masters.

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  58. Web typography is just as bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Typography and ease of reading has been totally lost on the web content people as well.
    It''s like the early 80's desktop publishers with 20 different fonts on a paper page.

    The way they deal with it, though, is to replace text with images.

  59. There's no going back by l00sr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While it's nice to pine for the days of old when reading was a solitary escape, it's also important to acknowledge that things have fundamentally changed, and there is no going back. How many people really go as far as to hide their smartphones while reading a printed book? The fact of the matter is that we are immersed in a world that is inherently more connected and more distracting than ages past. There are downsides to this, but apparently they aren't considered sufficiently compelling for most people to forsake cell phones, email, blogs, social networking, streaming video, etc. Whether these things are accessible from the iPad a person uses to read a book or from the smartphone in their pocket or the laptop in front of them, makes very little difference.

  60. The big advantage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't seen any ebook reader or other computer that's actually more comfortable to read than a paperback. However, ebooks have one huge thing going for them: They can be copied, which means that you can get them for free. You can get paperbacks for free too, of course - I routinely give away novels as soon as I've finished them - but it's incredibly convenient to be able to download a torrent with the whole bibliography of some interesting author. For that reason alone, I now read at least as many novels as ebooks on my clumsy laptop as I do on paper.

  61. Type of Book? by jmhowitt · · Score: 1

    Technical books that i don't read serially, or want to search, or cross reference, or flip between and go out of date really quickly go on the iPad. Xenophon? Well paper.

  62. undisturbed mode by Tom · · Score: 1

    The iPad can disable notifications - there won't be any alerts in the middle of a Keynote presentation.

    All it needs is to add a "don't disturb me" switch into the iBooks application.

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  63. Ignoring the biggest disappointment ... by Keyslapper · · Score: 1

    The whole idea behind e-Readers is that there are a number of advantages over traditional print:

    1: You can collect a much bigger library without needing storage or more bookshelves.

    2: You can take your whole library with you when you travel.

    3: You can read a lot more for a lot less.

    The problem is that #1 and #2 are irrelevant in my opinion. When I'm traveling, I travel for a reason, and it's not to read. I'm visiting family, off to a festival with the family, etc.. Naturally, I like to bring something to read, but one or two books and maybe a couple magazines is the most I need. Usually, it's just one book. As for the bookshelf, I really like a physical book - we have over 1000 between myself, my wife, and our 2 kids. It's that sense of permanence mentioned in TFA. I don't need to keep a book charged in order to read it, and I don't have to freak out if I spill a drop of whatever I'm drinking on it.

    As for #3, this would be enough for me to at least buy more of my books in electronic format, but that argument is a load of bollocks - and the biggest disappointment in the entire eBook scene. I often find that the paperback print is the same or cheaper than the eBook. For instance, the Game of Thrones paperback bookshelf is currently $21.03 at Barnes and Noble. The eBook for the same collection of 4 stories is $29.99. Both prices are exactly the same at Amazon. Why would I want the eBook?

    Granted, there are specials where the opposite is true, and others where I've grabbed eBooks for under $5, or even as low as a dollar, but these are books I would never even bother with a hard copy on - and often I'm glad I didn't waste time going to find it at the bookstore. I'm really trying to justify buying the Nook Color with books, but so far, I'm using it to let my kid watch Phineas and Ferb through Netflix a lot more than I'm reading books on it. As far as that goes, I don't even bother watching Netflix streaming videos on it, because the quality really is poor, and I can do better through the Wii or my laptop.

    1. Re:Ignoring the biggest disappointment ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For instance, the Game of Thrones paperback bookshelf is currently $21.03 at Barnes and Noble. The eBook for the same collection of 4 stories is $29.99.

      Says you.

  64. Good insight, IMO by nani+popoki · · Score: 1

    I have a Kindle Keyboard (eInk-based) e-reader and a Kindle Fire (LCD-based) e-reader / tablet. I do notice that the KF is more distracting to use, though easier to navigate with. And both of these are designed to be content delivery devices and are products from the same company. I would imagine that a more general-purpose tablet (or worse yet, a netbook with an eReader app) would be more distracting yet.

  65. Franzen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    never heard of him...

  66. This is major bs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read ebooks since about 2000, on various devices that weren't even built for "the experience": from monochrome Palms to Win mobile PDAs, to e-ink readers and tablets.

    Guess what? If the book is good, you get used to any type of e-reader. It's as "immersive" as it can be, the physical support is just that, an intermediary between yourself and the world described by the book. I spent many nights reading on my Palm IIIxe using its slightly humming green backlight that drained the batteries until morning. And it was as wonderful as reading a paper book.

    Distractions? If you don't like to read you'll find them anyway. TVs, smartphones, idle chat and daydreaming are always there when you're bored or uninterested in reading.

  67. Temptress? Did someone say temptress? by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K84ntztw0g8

    The ONLY temptress that can distract me from a good ebook is a furry temptress.

  68. Reading books by DogDude · · Score: 1

    And while everybody is arguing about which solution is best for solving a non-existent problem, I'm still reading normal books. No ads. No outrageous financial outlay. No batteries. No environmental impact. No compatibility issues. No licensing issues. No worries. Adding complexity and expense in order to solve a problem that doesn't exist seems to be the height of folly.

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    1. Re:Reading books by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1
      Books have environmental impact. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/01/HOCR1M0J6B.DTL

      From Eco-Libris' analysis of the iPad2, the break-even point at which the device has a lower carbon impact than an equivalent production of print books is 14. A widely cited study by research firm Cleantech Group found that the carbon emitted in the life cycle of an Amazon Kindle is fully offset after the first year of use, as long as the owner downloads more than 22 books in a year, and additional years of use result in net carbon savings equivalent to an average of 168 kilograms of carbon dioxide.

      If your using your existing laptop to read an e-book then your footprint is even lower.

    2. Re:Reading books by I(rispee_I(reme · · Score: 1

      No environmental impact.

      You know, they call it "dead tree format" for a reason...

    3. Re:Reading books by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Trees re-grow, and rot naturally. Plastics and heavy metals do not.

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  69. eBooks can't be HIDDEN by professorguy · · Score: 2

    An eBook cannot be HIDDEN. History teaches us any book not hidden will, at some point, BE TAKEN FROM YOU.

    1. Re:eBooks can't be HIDDEN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A micro SD with the eBook on it can be hidden even better than any book. The only issue maybe software being modified to refuse to open certain books. Open Standards and DRM free books can help with that.

    2. Re:eBooks can't be HIDDEN by vawwyakr · · Score: 1

      Wow and I thought I was paranoid

    3. Re:eBooks can't be HIDDEN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pardon me while I trivialize your argument but I believe that not only can an ebook be hidden, it can help you hide it in plain sight.

      How? Let's assume that you are a more-or-less attractive, somewhat nerdy looking person. And you are on a bus/subway/park bench/coffee house stool in the college/intellectual/artsy part of town reading from your ebook reader. Someone of your preferred gender/orientation takes a notice to you.

      "What are they reading?" this person thinks to themselves. "They seem like a thoughtful person, someone in touch with their feelings and the world around them. What work of existentialist philosophy are they reading? Sartre? Kant?"

      You are reading Meyer. Stephanie Meyer. How embarrassing! Fortunately you are using your ebook reader rather than a paper book. As this attractive young person comes over to you, you take notice and leap into action. With a quick press of a button, perhaps using the stylus if so equipped so as to make it look as if you are taking margin notes, the work you are intently studying becomes......

      "Sartre!" they gush. "I just knew that you were going to be someone worth getting to know. We should make sweet existentialist love while pondering the meaning of it all!"

      And so, as you walk together towards the dorm building you think of how lucky you were to have been using an ebook rather than your old paperback. What is the meaning of it all you wonder as the two of you get nekkid for some sweet monkey-love.

      And yet, here I am. I know, and you know, that you were reading Twilight. But for some reason, despite your terrible taste in literature (I can't believe that I just called it literature) I feel a certain kinship between us. I like you. So don't worry, I'll never tell.

    4. Re:eBooks can't be HIDDEN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you must be on crack. ebooks are infinitely easier to hide. it's a file on a hand-held computer. rename 'anarchist cookbook.epub' to 'ringtone.mp3'.

      i think the danger of ebooks is the opposite...too easy to change what is written to suit an agenda. oh, your copy says something different? you must have changed it! my copy is the REAL version...because i'm the guy in power. it's the equivalent of the oral tradition.

  70. ebooks break the loaned book / library model by Dan667 · · Score: 1

    Libraries were made to make it easier to distribute books and knowledge. ebooks do everything they can to restrict who can read a book. I am surprised there has not been more of a backlash for that alone.

  71. This is why I prefer the iPad: by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because this whole "distraction" thing is complete and utter nonsense. If I want to read, I read. If I want to do something else, I do it. Nothing "distracts" me. The tablet is not a "temptress", lol. It's a machine, and it does what *I* tell it to, not the other way around.

    And then there's that poignant call: "a sense of permanence has always been part of the experience" As an owner of thousands of books, let me tell you what that "permanence" is... it's a spine that will crack when you open the book years later. It's the incredibly lousy, acid infused paper that has yellowed, and smelled-up, and eventually caused to crumble, the pages of many of my otherwise treasured reads. It's being unable to find the title because someone has put it back funny, or not put it back at all. Or folded the pages. Or spilled spaghetti sauce on it. Or their lovely child has ripped out the conclusion to chapter three. Or ask a college kid or graduate about the "sense of permanence" that is the reality of a backpack filled with heavy texts. Not exactly a pleasant experience, or a lovely fashion accessory. And it cuts down the amount of actual cool stuff you can carry.

    Whereas the e-book experience... the litany is long and distinguished: You don't lose 'em; you don't misplace them; they don't age; you can read them in the dark (well, unless you went with e-ink, but then you can read in the sun if you're so inclined... me, I think reading in the sun is insane, but that's just me.) There are hot dictionaries, hot notes, hot highlights, sharing of same so you can see if what you think is interesting is what everyone else thinks is interesting. There is linkage to summary and statistical info on the book; YOU control the font size, and trust me, as an older guy compared to most of the rest of you puppies, that's a big deal; you can dim the thing and read late at night without disturbing your SO (you'll get girlfriends... really, you will. Patience.) You can read silently, page turns are noiseless. You can read with music, if that's pleasing to you. You can't lose your place -- an e-reader keeps track of what page you were on for every book you're reading, no matter how many that might be. As of recently, they've come up with a way to lend the book and you can't lose it, it simply "snaps" back into your library after the lend is up... you can self-publish without having to have an agent (that's me!), an editor, a publishing house, a marketing plan, and years of fruitless trying; you can carry your whole library with you, and I'm talking a LOT of books, so not only is all your fun reading with you, now you can always have your programming references and textbooks and so forth with you too... that part is just getting off the ground, but it was of direct help to me when I began to learn infrared photography and Apple's Cocoa so I'm personally sensitized to how great it is; and now, with the whole "its backed up in the cloud", you can't even lose your books if you drop your reader down the face of the Hoover dam. From the space shuttle. And the actual reality of that "distraction" is that your reader, if you so choose, can do a myriad of other useful and fun things for you.

    But that was a funny article from a luddite. :)

    Again speaking as someone involved with the publishing industry (I own a literary agency and I'm a published author, also the offspring of same), let me tell you why the publishers aren't so hot on e-books. The writer has ideas and stories, but surprisingly often, isn't all that great at telling them. The agency has agents on staff who can help -- a lot -- with that, and also (historically speaking) know which publishers are looking, and what they are looking for. An old boys network in the classic sense. Publishers can get the writer into print. And, if the writer is a GREAT writer, they might even throw in a little publicity work. But great writers don't really need publicity. If there's a new Ursula Le Guin or Michael Moorcock or Alan Dean Foster novel and you li

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    1. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wonder in what shape your iPad will be in, say, 10 years time :) Spill some spaghetti sauce on it as well, in the name of science.

    2. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wonder in what shape your iPad will be in, say, 10 years time :) Spill some spaghetti sauce on it as well, in the name of science.

      See, on the face of it, that seems like a good question, but it's actually very misleading. My iPad will have been replaced with an iPad3, coming out next week. And that, likely with an iPad X, when they tempt me again. And of course we still have the books in the cloud, and they're on the Mac Kindle reader, on my SO's two kindles, and my iPod (yeah, I actually read on an iPod... large fonts FTW.)

      So the longevity of the reader (beyond a reasonable lifespan, which I have confidence they will generally reach, my current iPad is a v1 from day one and it's doing fine, as are all my other Apple products) isn't the issue, because the books aren't tied to the hardware.

      If in fact something happens, I can have a new reader for $79+$4 overnight (Amazon prime!) Who knows how low that will go in the next few years, or how much more powerful they'll be. Or both. Perhaps I'll be grateful if someone spills spaghetti sauce on it. Maybe I'll even do it on purpose. :)

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    3. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by chispito · · Score: 1

      I wonder in what shape your iPad will be in, say, 10 years time :) Spill some spaghetti sauce on it as well, in the name of science.

      If pricing were fair, the hardware replacement would pale in comparison to the added extra cost of producing and distributing paper books.

      Again, that's if pricing were fair.

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    4. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by DadLeopard · · Score: 3, Informative

      Speaking of Publishers. The only ones I know of that seems to be doing it right is Baen! They have been doing ebooks for quite a while, do not use DRM, have a free library where readers can get hooked on the start of any one of a number of series that their authors turn out, are bringing new authors into the field, Hopefully they will continue to flourish as they have most of my favorite authors in their stable!

    5. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by chispito · · Score: 1

      Then you're not easily distracted. For those who are, and who simply want to read more, a dedicated e-ink reader is probably a much wiser purchase than an iPad or Android tablet.

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    6. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Agreed, Baen Books is a relatively bright star in a decidedly dim sky. Although they, too, could do better with new authors. Believe me... a lot of cr*p gets out there while some really fantabulous new stuff languishes.

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    7. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by voxelman · · Score: 1

      I completely agree. I make it clear to publishers at every opportunity that I don't buy printed books any more.

    8. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For those who are [easily distracted], and who simply want to read more, a dedicated e-ink reader is probably a much wiser purchase than an iPad or Android tablet.

      I don't think so. The power of a tablet is amazing; the flexibility is better -- and all you have to do to not be distracted is either turn off the connectivity (trivial) or learn to focus (perhaps not trivial, but eminently worthwhile.) A dedicated e-reader can't be held up to the sky and instantly tell you what you're looking at. it can't serve as a planetarium. It won't do a ton of things... and for the price, to me, it's simply not worth it. I'm not carrying both, and I'm also not going to forgo the power of a tablet. To do so would be shooting myself in the foot.

      The best thing for people to do is to learn to focus. Concentration is a worthy and powerful tool. An inability to concentrate is not worthy of coddling; it seems similar to me of some fellow complaining that he's nervous around women, and being advised that a good solution is to only hang with men. No, the good solution is to get over it, because it's not a good thing. Same thing if you're easily distracted. Solve the problem -- don't coddle it.

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    9. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by arose · · Score: 0

      Too bad the books are specifically tied to a particular device, not non-physical data that can be transfered and gain a new life...

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    10. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by eharvill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Or simply get a tablet that is waterproof (and presumably spaghetti sauce proof too) - Pantech Element

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    11. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /thread

    12. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by chispito · · Score: 1

      That's all awesome and really adds a lot of value to tablets. For prolonged reading, I'd still rather pay ~$100 for a dedicated device with an e-ink display. Smaller, lighter, more ergonomic, longer lasting battery, usable in the full spectrum of lighting situations (with a cheap clip-on light), and the main reason: my eyes are happier.

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    13. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, all that tablet and cellphone stuff is just distractions, which I ignore - because I am focused.

      If I want connectivity, I use a computer. If I want to read, I pick up a book.

      There is no need for further complications.

    14. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      Because this whole "distraction" thing is complete and utter nonsense. If I want to read, I read. If I want to do something else, I do it. Nothing "distracts" me. The tablet is not a "temptress", lol.

      So that little popup that pops up on top of your ebook you are reading doesn't distract you? You have xray vision that drills through the popup, so you don't even notice it is there?

    15. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can tell me about how they don't age after the servers e-book servers stop responding, when the format is depricated, and you are unable to move your books to new hardware thanks to drm. In 20 years, your device with all your nice books will feel like a artifact from a by-gone age, and you will be forced to rebuy all of them.

    16. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by RandomJoe · · Score: 2

      Doesn't really matter. The iPad isn't the book. It will probably be replaced with a newer model at least once within that time. Even if it gets destroyed, I can get another and as soon as I sync it to my computer or the cloud the entire library is back in place, ready to read.

      For only a few titles, that's ridiculously expensive (but then I have other uses for it so the cost isn't limited just to the books). For an entire library? If I were to have a fire in my house, there's considerably more money to be lost in printed pages than an iPad or whatever reader I'm using.

      The main issue I have with growing a large ebook library is getting locked into a platform. Will I be able to take my books with me to another brand reader if/when I decide to switch? If I'm not able to move the books, I'm not about to buy large quantities of them.

    17. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      I don't get "popups" on top of my e-books. Ever. Sounds to me like you've got a mis-configured device.

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    18. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      So far, converting to non-DRM formats has been trivial. Not seeing a problem here. Not yet. Maybe never.

      Let me point something else out: Historically speaking, not being able to read data has been almost exclusively a problem with the fact that there is little or no hardware that can access the data -- in other words, it was on tape, 8 inch floppy, punched cards, wax cylinders, etc. Once stuff is on broad based storage from modern HDs to the network "somewhere", the reader code is out there too and there's no reason to think it will go away. i have a 6809 emulation that reads all my data starting back in 1974 because I moved it as time went on; there was never a *format* problem, there was only a media problem. I have every letter I wrote from those years, book manuscripts, program, etc. And if you think, with all these e-books out there, very easily accessible, that society will "accidentally" or via neglect forget how to read them... nah, I just don't buy your premise. Not going to happen.

      I can still read all the image formats starting from the early 1970's and going forward without a break. Nothing has become unrecoverable. I can still read text files. JPEG has been around as a standard since 1986, that's 26 years (so far) and everything reads them just fine. Not even a *hint* that'll go away. Likewise GIF, only for (at least) a year longer. I can still read and render HTML, too, even with XHTML and HTML 5 and so forth out there. ASCII text files are a doddle, and in fact I can still read EBCDIC and Baudot codes. There's absolutely no reason to think I won't be able to read the e-books I've purchased rights to in 20 years. So, no. Just no. :)

      Lastly, were the unthinkable to come true and a certain type of e-book lose its reader, leaving owners with binary gobbledegook, just how long do you think it would be before some intrepid coder took that as a challenge and solved the problem? I give it... maybe a week. That allows time for pizza and bathroom breaks.

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    19. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or if you can afford it, buy both. Love my Kindle DX for reading things I will read once every couple of years like novels. iPad 2 for my kid, great for her interactive storybooks we read together and if I could pry it from her little hands for more than a day it'd be great for reading color comicbooks or webcomics. Right now I use a 22inch tilted LCD screen for color stuff. If it's something for reference I get a normal book, dictionaries and textbooks are a good examples. On my cellphone I read articles linked by friends on facebook as I usually use my idle time on bank lines or when waiting for someone. I still have a newspaper subscription that I only bought for Saturday and Sunday because there's a pleasure on reading the paper on the weekends and there's always use for some newspaper, would throw to much away if it was the whole week.

      Oh and last but not least I've found that a hardcover book with content the person likes is a nice snobby gift, or you could go with booze but some friends don't drink. There are books that me and my wife buy on amazon just because we want a nice looking hardcopy.

      I think we have a lot of options for reading, in my case I find my Kindle DX leaves me with less eyestrain than the iPad after a couple of hours, but I tried converting a comic or two and it didn't feel right in black and white.

      So books probably won't go away but the market will keep on shrinking as we have different options.

    20. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by schnell · · Score: 1

      Too bad the books are specifically tied to a particular device, not non-physical data that can be transfered and gain a new life...

      What books are you talking about? Amazon eBooks are tied to your Amazon account, not a device. I have dozens of e-books from Amazon's Kindle store that I have downloaded and can read at any time on my Kindle Fire, my work PC, my home iPad and my work iPad. The great thing is it auto-syncs between them so whatever page I was on most recently on one device becomes the page I pick up on the next device. I have only a couple Apple iBook purchases, but they work the same way (minus the PC or Kindle reader clients).

      What eBook store ties purchases to the device?

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    21. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by Trogre · · Score: 3, Informative

      As an ebook reading person I agree with much of what you have recently posted, except one point stuck out:
      The cloud.

      Relying on your data being stored "in the cloud", which really means some other guy's computers, should never be considered reliable storage. What happens when Apple goes under (don't laugh, stranger things have happened) or Amazon have a 'glitch' or just decide to pull the plug?

      I keep my library on an SD card in my Sharp Zaurus, and make regular archival backups to my desktop computer, with regular offsite backups on physical media.

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    22. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by arose · · Score: 1

      What eBook store ties purchases to the device?

      Sarcasm's Books and More.

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    23. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by sl149q · · Score: 1

      I can read my epub books on all manner of devices. Loose a device? Who cares buy another and download the book I'm currently reading and I'm off.

      Or for some books I go with Amazon.. and read it with a Kindle app on whatever device I like (iPod Touch is good for fiction I find.) Kindle format is fun because if I misplace or forget my device and grab another I just login and point at the book I'm reading and it knows where I left off last time.

    24. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Then you're not easily distracted. For those who are

      to me, it's simply not worth it

      For all your mighty powers of concentration, you can't make out that the GP was specifically talking about others, NOT you.

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    25. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by rioki · · Score: 1

      What really is missing in the equation is the "personal cloud", something with the ease of use of "the cloud" but my hardware (and probably my software). I wonder why people haven't come up with that, a way to redirect web storage services to your local network or your dedicated hardware in the web... I just hope that this will come in the following years.

    26. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You can read silently, page turns are noiseless.

      A very interesting post, but I think you were trying a bit hard with that one. I have never heard anyone complain about someone reading to themselves noisily (children reading out loud excepted).

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    27. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      For only a few titles, that's ridiculously expensive (but then I have other uses for it so the cost isn't limited just to the books). For an entire library? If I were to have a fire in my house, there's considerably more money to be lost in printed pages than an iPad or whatever reader I'm using.

      I agree with you, but you do need to make sure you have proper off site backups in case of this sort of emergency, which is where having a couple of independent cloud storage options comes to the rescue, since most individuals at home realistically aren't going to be taking physical media backups each day to a remote site.

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    28. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      An inability to concentrate is not worthy of coddling; it seems similar to me of some fellow complaining that he's nervous around women, and being advised that a good solution is to only hang with men.

      Yes, but it's fun to stay at the YMCA!

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    29. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Agreed, I can read my e-ink display for as long as a paper book, but not a tablet. It depends whether you're talking about sitting down and reading for several hours non stop at a time, though, obviously for casual reading a tablet has advantages such as being able to switch to Angry Birds.

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    30. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      I might worry about "the cloud" if I needed something I didn't have stored locally right now, but generally speaking, if I got a new device I wouldn't be worried about bulk downloading all my content to have it locally.

      In other words, a decent cloud storage system that goes down (is that an oxymoron?) will likely come back up unscathed eventually. What I think he's saying is that it doesn't matter how long your device lasts - devices will always age and break, but assuming Amazon, Apple, B&N and the rest will be around, you'll always be able to eventually get all your content back when you upgrade your device. You can always download it to your computer for long term storage, too.

      My problem with e-readers stems from the fact that I'm not likely to read a book twice (very rare). I often lend and give away books when I'm done. The lending features of e-books treat you like a criminal, not to mention any right to resale... with the loss of these rights (and for obvious other reasons) e-books should be cheaper; it's true that newly released books can often be had for less than the hard cover price, but rarely ever bought hard covers anyway (I'm patient enough to wait), but e-books are often just as expensive as the paperbacks... and in some cases more expensive, and for that price you get the privilege of losing your rights.

      Back on the technical discussion, I agree with fyngyrz... I have a Nook, my wife and kids have Samsung Galaxy Tab 7pluses - my wife constantly gets email - she's one of those people who hands her email address out to every web site she visits like we hand out candy on Halloween, and gets in the hundreds of emails every day. That's her idiocy (yeah, I said it... I love her, but hate "troubleshooting" her computer and other devices and she doesn't listen), but I'm never disturbed when reading, and the kids hardly get any email. While I prefer e-ink, everyone is happy, and they get all the other benefits of having a tablet (things I don't give a crap about, but as long as they're happy, I am too).

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    31. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      Except the same people that would be distracted by their tablet's "features" are still going to be distracted by their cell and smart phones while reading a dedicated e-reader (or even a paperback). The ones that won't are the ones who would disable (or have the mental capacity to ignore) the distractions either way.

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    32. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      What little pop-up? If you're getting pop-ups while reading, you've configured your tablet pretty badly, IMO.

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    33. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by Samurai+Tony · · Score: 1

      It'll be a rectangle with rounded corners. ;o)

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    34. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by Samurai+Tony · · Score: 1

      I know it's bad form to reply to oneself but, in all seriousness, in 10 years I don't think it'll matter what his iPad looks like, he will have format-shifted his entire library to the new whizz-bang iPad 10HD or whatever the hip kids are using and those books will still be just as readable as they are now.

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    35. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by seantide · · Score: 1

      This.

      This is precisely what we need. I do not want my data stored in the cloud unless the cloud is mine. A cheap $300 server is more than enough for a whole family, maybe even several families.

      Its beyond stupid that its 2012 and we force people to use a middleman.

    36. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by seantide · · Score: 1

      What if you lose your device and lose Amazon? Where will you get your books?

      I'll still have my paper books, which well cared for will last long after I die. None of my computers will live that long.

    37. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 1

      Too bad the books are specifically tied to a particular device, not non-physical data that can be transfered and gain a new life...

      What books are you talking about? Amazon eBooks are tied to your Amazon account, not a device. I have dozens of e-books from Amazon's Kindle store that I have downloaded and can read at any time on my Kindle Fire, my work PC, my home iPad and my work iPad. The great thing is it auto-syncs between them so whatever page I was on most recently on one device becomes the page I pick up on the next device. I have only a couple Apple iBook purchases, but they work the same way (minus the PC or Kindle reader clients).

      What eBook store ties purchases to the device?

      I'm sure what he means is, the books are tied only to devices that support Kindle software. Try reading Amazon eBooks on a Nook or other non-Amazon dedicated e-reader device. Try reading it on a linux desktop platform. Thus, the format is not truly portable. I have a Kindle dedicated e-reader and my solution is to remove the Amazon DRM with special software so I can convert it to other formats (like Lit or ePub) for other devices.

    38. Re:This is why I prefer the iPad: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't believe you wasted so much time writing this huge response when your first sentence is basically "I'm full of shit, read on at your peril". You are an idiot to claim that you only ever do what you want to do and that there is no such thing as a distraction.

      I don't think you needed to have worried about the future of e-books and bothered with this passionate defense of them. Littered as your argument is, with indefensible points, you'll do well to leave this argument in the dirt.

  72. Listen to publishers? by AtomicDevice · · Score: 2

    Who cares what publishers (or many authors for that matter) think about what's good for reading? Publishers have shown time and time again that the little they know about e-publishing terrifies them. They just want to stick their head in the sand and go back to paper, they latch on to any tidbit of evidence that people might not like e-books or e-reading. They do all they can to minimize e-book sales to protect their paper business.

    If publishers were smart, they could get way more people reading way more books, and make a lot more money off it. They need to get over their fears about e-publishing and move fast before piracy becomes the norm in the book world, just like it did in the music and video world.

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  73. If only you could stop the interruptions... by MrMagooAZ · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one thinking 'turn off the wi-fi?' if you don't want to be interrupted by email?

  74. one more reason to boycott all books on e-devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Commercials too? I can lend a paper book to a neighbor or a friend or a sister any damn time I please without paying for it again. screw e-books. just another toll booth.

  75. Popups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Popups? Ads? While reading? Seriously?

    My iPad1 is setup never to notify me of anything while reading.

    I hate reading with glasses. . . and have no problems reading Nook, Kindle, PDF, or ePub docs on the iPad without glasses.

    (Yes, I do not use the iPad in direct sunlight nor do I take it to the beach. Sue me. I didn't say it was perfect.)

    For me, the iPad has been a return to enjoying book-length reading.

    This "backlash" sounds more like a tiny amount of concern by a smallish subset of readers.

    We still have analog clocks decades after the invention of the digital version. But I'll bet that 99.9% of displays on cell phones, tablets, and PCs are digital. The march toward converting to eBooks will be not be different.

    When today's kindergarteners graduate from college knowing only eTexbooks and having read 99% of all assignments on electronic devices, such conversation will probably be looked on as amusing, anachronistic, and short-sighted.

  76. E-Publications too expensive for the restrictions by IVI+V+K · · Score: 1

    While I like the convenience, ease of distribution and reduction of clutter provided by digital publications, I don't think they are worth the current cost with the extremely limited DRM.

    With a real book or magazine, for almost the same price as an electronic publication, i can legally share with my family and friends and even donate to a library or sell to a used bookstore when done.

    None of these are allowed on the curent restricted electronic publishing systems. Instead, content distributers have cut out the manufacturing and distribution, and pocketed all the past costs as new profit, while selling a product with substantially less use.

    Frankly, the costs and restrictions placed on library lending of electronic media are excessive and we risk loosing the value that free information shared in libraries has provided to our cultural growth. When restricted e-publications become substantially cheaper than real books and are provided with the ability to transfer ownership, or provide limited lending, then I may consider them.

    For now, there are plenty of excellent classic books in the public domain that are available to read for free. Unfortunately, the publishing industry and governments of the world are waging war on the public domain.

    The only true theft and piracy of intelectual property is that committed when works are prevented from entering the public domain. All money earned through extended IP terms is theft and involves the transfer and reductions of physical wealth from the public. As much as the industry proclaims otherwise there is no transfer of wealth when consuming freely copied media since the intrinsic value of an additional copy is zero.

    Limited terms to intelectual property rights are an essential part of the growth and development of technology, the arts and our society. We must stand up to the publishing industry and its attempts to make intelectual property rights practically indefinite through continued extensions.

  77. I'm sure I'm the millionth person to say this... by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 1

    While I own a tablet (from the a company that's named after a fruit) I also own a kindle, for exactly this reason. In fact I owned the kindle first because I knew, if I had an tablet and not an ereader, I'd play angry birds, not read books.

    Now, when it comes to reading comics... the tablet is fucking awesome.

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  78. Buggy whips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, let's ask the buggy whip makers if cars are a good idea. And I'll bet the candle guys have an opinion on electric lights, too. Meanwhile, here in the 21st century, I like having ALL of my tech books from O'Reilly, Pragmatic Programmers, etc. on my iPad for easy reference (and searching).

  79. Progress is not for Books by MacGyver2210 · · Score: 1

    I have one of the original Kindles, the early ones with only 3G and a keyboard, no color, no smooth corners, nothing. It's pretty much like reading a book. Once I developed the habit of hitting 'Next' instead of reaching for the page corner, I can easily find myself as immersed (or more so) as I do when I read a regular print book.

    There is a certain suspense - a "what happens next?" feeling - with finishing a page. I find the Kindle (the original one, not the colored tablet PC thing) makes that transition smoother and faster than fumbling with a page turn or accidentally grabbing too many pages and winding up too far ahead. The battery life on the original is also phenomenal. I go entire months without recharging mine sometimes. Having the option to put an MP3 on or check something on Google isn't bad, but I don't need to play Angry Birds on my book.

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    1. Re:Progress is not for Books by MacGyver2210 · · Score: 1

      PS: I wouldn't mind PDF support or a half-decent conversion tool. MobiPocket Creator is garbage.

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  80. Not all E-books are written by writers. by plover · · Score: 1

    There are a lot of crappy e-books out there, mostly because the authors are any old Joe Schmoe with a keyboard and a 5th grade English education.

    If they can't be arsed to spring for a proofreader and editor, what makes you think they'll even recognize typography as an issue?

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  81. There are also signs that publishers are cooling.. by yodleboy · · Score: 1

    I think the continued dominance of iPad in the tablet market is what's cooling publishers. They probably don't like the thought of being sucked into the Apple-verse the way the music industry has been. I can't imagine they want to be joined at the hip with a single company.

  82. I love reading on my Motorola Xoom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love reading on my Motorola Xoom. The trees like it too.

  83. Move to an Amish paradise by Powercntrl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Distractions? If you don't like to read you'll find them anyway. TVs, smartphones, idle chat and daydreaming are always there when you're bored or uninterested in reading.

    Even the Amish get interrupted while reading by a neighbor knocking at the door. They could realize some butter needs churning, a horse needs brushing or do some other chore that is nagging and put the book down. It seems you don't even need technology to be distracted.

    This article just seems to be more lamenting about media products that aren't purchased in a tangible form. But rather than come out and say they're a bunch of "get off my lawn!" old codgers, who in their day walked uphill both ways in the snow to buy books, vinyl LPs and VHS tapes, they rant about how these newfangled e-readin' gadgets are too flashy and distractin'.

    Plenty of people manage to watch on-demand movies with the lure of 100s of other channels they could be flipping to. Plenty of people manage to do their work on computers without watching YouTube all day. Likewise, it is possible to turn off WiFi and 3G on your tablet and just read your damn book. At least until your neighbor comes over and asks if they can borrow some butter...

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  84. does ebook "phone home?" by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    OK so I don't own any ebooks but I wonder what if some of these require online connection? Or will they eventually require online connection so it constantly polls to be sure you are not packing a pirated copy? A terrible situation is only way to read that ebook is it has to have online connection. I'm not talking about reading articles on the internet, I'm talking about something you either purchase or get from a friend and you own. If you can't open it, then you don't own it.

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  85. Couldn't disagree more with this article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, let me get this straight - reading on a tablet is less immersive than reading a book because - you could CHOOSE to ditch the story and go do something else with your tablet?

    First off, I read books on my iPad all the time. I'm currently about 1/2 way through _The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest_ and I can't put it down! When you're reading on a tablet, most of the apps I've seen fill the entire screen - barring notifications you have configured to appear over it.

    Have we really devolved SO much that we have no self control at all? Are we really such attention deficit victims that we can't simply choose NOT to do something else long enough to enjoy something?

  86. Re:Because you're different. by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 2

    No one else in the world gets distracted by their tablet functionality because you don't? That's not a good perspective to have.

    And the article here says eBooks are bad because tablets are distracting, which obviously makes no sense. You are arguing that eBooks are good, but your only argument that addresses the article's premise is that it doesn't happen to you. And plenty of people would rather have a physical item to hold, mark up, dog-ear a page or two, or swap between two far apart pages for reference, which is harder on most e-readers of any type.

    So basically, you're different, and that's good.

  87. Paper is still superior by assertation · · Score: 1

    1. I can drop a paper book off of the roof of a building into a deep puddle. I can still do data retrieval and even enter new data ( with a pen, if I have one ). Try that with a kindle.

    2. I can buy a paper book, with cash and not have Amazon, the government and everyone else in the world know about it.

    3. Paper can be made out of almost anything, even fallen leaves. It is renewable, recyclable and can be produced mostly without any toxins. Kindles, tablet PCs, etc get sent to the 3rd world where the toxic parts are pulled apart by poor children struggling to eat. That is after their environments were polluted by mining for the minerals to make the kindles, tablets etc.

    4. I can lend a paper book to a friend, many times and reread the book many times and there is no way for Amazon or anyone else to charge me.

    1. Re:Paper is still superior by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

      A) You don't need a e-reader to read e-books. In 2010 (ok a little old) the most popular way to read a e-book was on a laptop. You likely already own a device capable of reading an e-book on.
      B) You can lend a kindle to a friend, many times and let them reread your books many times and there is no way for Amazon or anyone to charge you.
      C) If your kindle is destroyed you can download your books again to a new device.
      D) Books generate no jobs for poor children struggling to eat.

  88. Distraction isn't a flaw of tablets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a flaw of the user. Or perhaps of the specific ebook itself.

    It is very, VERY difficult for me to get distracted while I'm reading a good book, whether it's on the printed page, on my laptop screen, or on my iPad. The key is, the book has to be good. If it's not, then it doesn't matter how I'm reading it. I'll eventually get distracted by something more interesting, whether I was reading a physical novel or just text on a screen.

    While I love having a good novel in my hands, I can't argue against the convenience of a tablet or e-reader. I can carry a library in my iPad.

  89. As someone... by Isaac+Remuant · · Score: 1

    who has read novels on a 15 '' CRT (and then on decent Widescreen LCDs and tablets) this looks like the same argument as being unable to read in a room with a TV.

    If you're not immersed and get easily distracted that's more likely to mean (imho) that you lack focus or that the book simply doesn't appeal to you.

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  90. That's why I don't have email alerts by thepacketmaster · · Score: 1

    Some people are so convinced that they can multitask. I came to the realization a while ago that multitasking is probably one of the worst things you can do for learning or doing any single task well. The first thing I do when getting an electronic device is to turn off the email alerts, and any other alerts other than the basics: texts, reminders and calendar alerts. I spend hours on the ereaders and get just as immersed in the story or subject material as I would a regular paper book. Trust me, you'll eventually feel that pull to read your email or facebook. You don't need to help it along with a lot of unnecessary alerts. If someone needs to get hold of me that badly, they can text or phone.

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  91. pReader on WebOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have an HP tablet, and am using pReader. It allows you to hide everything including the notifications bar at the top etc, e.g. true full screen. This means no distractions, and some great relaxing reading.

    Having said that, it is a bit heavier than a Kindle, and to combat the pain of reading on the screen I have to have the text large. I'll have a Kindle by the end of the year, unless I hear of a dual LED/eInk screen device, which I would be willing to pay quite a bit for.

  92. Because I'm in control. by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Look, if you get distracted, that's a not a problem with the tablet: That's a problem with you. Notifications bothering you? Turn off the wifi, cellular... in the case of the iPad, just flip it into "airplane" mode. Can't stay off Facebook? Not an iPad problem. A "you" problem. Have to see tweets? That's 140 characters of you-fail. Don't go blaming technology because you fail to use it well. And don't clamor for it to change because you suck at coping. You change. Then you can benefit from judicious use of technology instead of letting it knock you around.

    Hmmmm... this reminds of the old canard "There are no atheists in foxholes." That's not a flaw in atheism. That just demonstrates that foxholes are really fucked up. You dig? lol...

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    1. Re:Because I'm in control. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, as previously mentioned, you can have a dedicated e-reader instead of a tablet you have to turn into an e-reader and remember to un-e-reader when you're done using it as such.

    2. Re:Because I'm in control. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes... airplane mode or data connectivity toggles are so difficult to deal with. So much so that I should spend the cash on an ereader. Just.. no. There are reasons to get an ereader, such as the charge interval and bright reading environments. Getting distracted? That's ... a dumb reason. How many people read books without their phone nearby? If you do, why is this any different than toggling airplane mode? Either way, you won't be getting any notices from your phone until you pay attention to your phone again. If you don't, why are you not distracted by alerts from a device you aren't reading on but are distracted by alerts from a device you are reading on? See/hear an alert? Ignore that shit like you would a beep from a phone in the pocket.

    3. Re:Because I'm in control. by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      Look, if you get distracted, that's a not a problem with the tablet: That's a problem with you. Notifications bothering you? Turn off the wifi, cellular... in the case of the iPad, just flip it into "airplane" mode. Can't stay off Facebook? Not an iPad problem. A "you" problem. Have to see tweets? That's 140 characters of you-fail. Don't go blaming technology because you fail to use it well. And don't clamor for it to change because you suck at coping. You change. Then you can benefit from judicious use of technology instead of letting it knock you around.

      Hmmmm... this reminds of the old canard "There are no atheists in foxholes." That's not a flaw in atheism. That just demonstrates that foxholes are really fucked up. You dig? lol...

      ^^^ This. Indeed, blaming the iPad and tablets for distractions not present when reading a book is no different from blaming one's car and smartphone for getting into an accident trying to post a tweet while driving. And you can get distractions while reading a printed book also, like trying to read a book on, I dunno, Calculus while sitting at the back of a yoga class full of hot chicks. I mean, c'mon. Common sense people.

      This is an example of a complain looking for a root cause to be honest.

    4. Re:Because I'm in control. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Informative

      Come on, it's basic psychology. The closer to hand distractions are the more distracting they are.

      Blaming people for human nature is nor very helpful or fair.

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    5. Re:Because I'm in control. by minus9 · · Score: 1

      So in summary, your argument is that distractions aren't distracting? Good look with that.

    6. Re:Because I'm in control. by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I have to agree with fyngyrz... I mean, you could be reading a paperback and still have your smart phone at hand and be subject to the same distractions - it's not the tablet/e-reader's fault, it's the human being's fault - yet the article blames the device.

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    7. Re:Because I'm in control. by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      You made me laugh out loud, and I'd give mod points had I any to give. Well done sir.

  93. Distractions are inevitable by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

    Whether I'm reading an ebook or a paper book, I'm likely to have trouble with distractions. It has nothing to do with the medium and everything to do with just not having enough free time. OTOH, when I DO have a block of free time, and the book is good, I can and do focus on it, even if it's on my iPad.

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  94. As if there are no other distractions... by strangeattraction · · Score: 1

    What is the problem here? Even if your tablet doesn't have the distractions your phone does or the computer you are using. Or the guy next to you. If you are that easily distracted then you probably aren't really focused or it is a bad read. It isn't the tablet's fault. This is another one of those I don't like tablets kvetches.

  95. Meh by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

    I read old school paper books and I read using the Kindle or Nook apps. IMHO, there are advantages and disadvantages to both; therefore, choices are *GOOD*. People, like the author of TFA, saying that one format is inherently better than the other are sensationalist.

    I have found that most (but not all) of my reading for pleasure tends to be in real, paper books, since I typically read for fun at home. Consequently, having physical books in a bookshelf at home is adequate for those volumes. Furthermore, some of the books I read for pleasure don't lend themselves well to the eBook format. For example, my wife bought "Planet Earth's Greatest Motorcycle Adventure Tours" for me for Christmas. It's physically a rather large book, and filled with beautiful photographs from trips the author (Collette Coleman) had taken. I can't imagine trying to read that on my smartphone -- the text would be fine, but the photography would be completely wasted on that form factor.

    On the other hand, most of my reading for information tends to be eBooks. It's handy to have a reference with you any time you have your phone/tablet/Ebook-reader-of-choice with you, and this type of writing lends itself well to the eBook format. In other words, for informative books, portability trumps form factor.

    Ultimately, you pick the right tool for the job. I wouldn't buy a coffee table book in an electronic format, but there are some definite advantages to eBooks. IMHO, anyone writing off electronic media simply because it isn't bound in paper is simply limiting their options unnecessarily.

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  96. why I prefer theater movies by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Too many distractions at home while watching a television movie.

  97. The NY Times criticizing tablets for reading?? by unassimilatible · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The NY Times saying tablets are bad for books is kind of like a T-Rex telling an Stegosaurus, "those silly mammals will never succeed."

    A modern-day dinosaur whistling past the graveyard...

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  98. trying to be a good citizen by Chirs · · Score: 1

    While I could certainly follow your path for obtaining books (and have been known to do so on occasion), I prefer to go the legitimate route. I already pay to support my public library, so I figure it makes sense to use their services where available.

    The one publisher that is particularly tricky is Baen. They don't do DRM, which means that libraries can't enforce the return period, which means I can't get their ebooks through the library. This is a problem because I *like* a lot of Baen's stuff.

  99. Just like a computer is for nothing but work. . . by ancarett · · Score: 1

    What's the problem with using a tablet in multiple ways and even mostly not for reading? Are these people in trouble for not reading enough on their tablets? I doubt it!

    An e-ink device is marvelous for people who do a lot of reading in digitized texts but few are set-up for real multipurpose use. A tablet can be easily used for a lot of different functions: reading may be advertised as a primary role for some of these such as the Kindle Fire, but it's hardly the only or even the best role. So why are people surprised that others are using tablets as multifunctional devices? It's rather like being surprised that you'll code, surf, compose and goof-off on the same personal computer.

    Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go pick up my ereader and get back to some real work. . . .

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  100. Stick to single purpose ebook readers! by Paracelcus · · Score: 1

    Preferably with e-ink screens and a weeks worth of battery life, an SDHC slot and support for multiple formats!

    Just for reading, no "extras".

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  101. Kids Today by fwarren · · Score: 1

    I am 45 and my wife is 41. We have 4 kids who are 22, 21, 18 and 17. NONE of the kids will read a book on a Kindle, iPhone or on the computer. They think the Kindle is a ho-hum "whatever" device.

    My wife loves her Kindle (looks like paper) but has always abhorred reading books on her computer (hates the backlit display). Whereas myself. I love reading it however I can get it. Palm-Pilot, Computer, Kindle. I will probably purchase a Kindle Fire by Christmas time this year.

    I wonder if it is a generational thing. With my generation being told we were growing up in the computer age as this stuff started appearing when we were 8 or 9 years old. We just cant get enough of anything "high-tech". Whereas my kids, have had computers around them from the time they got out of a crib. This is all no big deal for them. They pick and choose what works for them. It seems there judgement is that only people over 35 want to read books on a computer or handheld device. Maybe people over 35 are starting to realized what the kids already knew.

    On the other hand, you will have to pry my kindle and 2000 book library out of me cold, dead fingers.

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  102. Hum! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When i read on the bus on my way to work,,,,I READ,,,not sure what can make you stop reading except a boring book.

    My tablet does not create needs to go and look at other APPS,,,Oh wait,,,most Tablet arent 3G or 4G,,,,so there is no internet/youtube/what the fuck you might think.

    If you cant spend 30 minutes reading straight, please don't blame the tablet for being able to provide more than just a book, blame yourself.

  103. everyone is lying by Eponymous+Hero · · Score: 1

    i have it on good authority that nobody reads anymore. "reading" is a lie you tell other people to make yourself sound smart or evidence you point to when you need to backup that other crazy lie you just made up. "i read it somewhere, honest!" ebooks simply provide the convenience of not owning a physical book to take valuable space away from your video game/movie collection (which is enormous because you know you have to make physical backups of all that pirated crap or you'll lose it all someday). you don't really read, you play ps3 and world of warcraft and you watch movie after movie after tv show after tv show. you think if you saw A Prayer For Owen Meany that you can say you read it. john irving? was he the director? "reading" means turning subtitles on in Heavy Rain. in reality, everything is TL;DR. in fact, if you claim to have read any article on slashdot you're just a pedant looking down your nose at another "reader" who barely recognized a few familiar word-shapes in the summary. "i read it somewhere -- in TFA -- honest!"

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  104. YMMV. by Peganthyrus · · Score: 1

    I find that my iPad has gotten me reading again. I have done things like curl up all day with it reading a hefty book. Its single-tasking nature means it's only a distraction if the book is boring, in which case why am I reading it anyway? The web feels a lot closer when it's only a window away than when it's a few swipes away, to me.

    I used to have an immense library; then I moved back home to New Orleans three days before Katrina and lost pretty much all of it. My current library is the stuff that had never made it out to me from my parent's home, and a few things I bought since - both new stuff and old favorites I just had to have. And it underwent a couple of ruthless cullings, too.

    It's still a pleasure to sit down in the couch next to my bookshelves and read a physical book, but honestly, it's just as much a pleasure to read one on my iPad. I will be delighted when people start paying attention to the typography and layout of digital editions like they once did to real books; that's really the only thing I find lacking.

    I don't WANT more physical books in my house. Unless they're something like the broadsheet-sized reproductions I have of "Little Nemo In Slumberland". Fiction is perfectly cool with being virtual, in my opinion. I'd basically stopped going to the bookstore, and thus stopped keeping up on new fiction, but having the Kindle software available on my pad and my phone means that I can easily acquire books anywhere.

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  105. Embarrassment by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

    Best part of reading on the iPad is I don't have to look like a huge dork carrying around the Icewind Dale books and reading them on the subway ;)

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  106. Apple laughing to the bank. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if this is true, iPads will be the 8-track of the 21st century--and Apple is laughing it's way to the bank with all the ipads it sells.

  107. And what about other devices? by EdwinFreed · · Score: 1

    When I read a traditional book, or one on my original Kindle, it's not like I don't have an iPhone right there in my pocket capable of distracting me. In fact most a fair amount of the time I have a laptop ready and waiting for me to interact with it. Is the physical immediacy of having the distractions built into the same device, as opposed to another device that's only a foot or so away, really that big of a factor? Absent some actual, you know, data, as opposed to a collection of anecdotes (if there was any sort of study cited in the article I must have missed it), I'm extremely skeptical.

  108. Great writers need to be known by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But great writers don't really need publicity. If there's a new Ursula Le Guin or Michael Moorcock or Alan Dean Foster novel and you like said author, you generally know it pretty darned fast.

    Eventually they probably don't need publicity. But look at Kafka, no doubt a great writer. And he died dog poor.

  109. Turn off Wi-fi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    um, just turn off wi-fi or any other network connections while reading. if human-kind no longer possesses the will-power to do this very simple thing, we have very serious problems ahead.

  110. Hogwash by Polo · · Score: 1

    Trying to make a news story out of nothing...

    I've read FAR more books per year in the last couple years on my kindle and iPhone than physical books in the years before.

    I have also played more computer games too.

    Although there are distractions, there is much more "computer" time available as I carry my devices with me. I wasn't able to carry physical books and magazines to the same extent ever in my life.

  111. completely wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have bought physical books, and then went and torrented a digital copy because the ebook format is so much better. It's not definitively bound by page, you can scroll up half a page, it's lighter, i don't have to fight to hold it open, you can read it in the dark, personally i find the night setting much easier on my eyes in general.

    What world do people live in that they don't have distractions around them when trying to read? OH NOES i got an email... Can't read any more now.

  112. Ironic that I prefer reading the NY Times... by RealGene · · Score: 1

    on my spouse's iPad. I subscribe to the Sunday tree version, so get a complimentary digital subscription.
    Reading it on the iPad means no jumps in the middle of an article, and no blackened fingers...

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  113. DUDE by nu1x · · Score: 1

    Others did not mention the biggie, which is

    ENCRYPT THE BOOK, THEN HIDE IT IN AN AUDIO FILE AS RANDOM NOISE. DECRYPT ON DEMAND WITH A PASSPHRASE, automated to a single keystroke or click. Not only better, more convenient too. Betcha didn't think this one through

    Beat that, paper book.

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  114. So it turns out staring at the sun is BAD for you by atari2600a · · Score: 1

    ...contrary to popular belief that it extends your chi 3-fold. Seriously, who EVER thought reading on an LCD was a good idea? Maybe, MAYBE on a monochrome 1-bit one cause the contrast would be through the roof, but there's a reason e-readers use e-ink.

  115. 2 Things I got from that by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

    1. We're afraid that ebooks, and the ease with which people can distribute pirate copies, are affecting our profits.

    2. People are beginning to realise that the books are not good enough to hold the reader's attention when there are better/more interesting things to take their attention away.

  116. Reading in the home is a distraction by Builder · · Score: 1

    Those stupid paper books were just as bad. If I was reading in the lounge, I could just turn on the TV or the radio instead. In the car I could look out the windows and play I-spy.

    What a stupid argument against eBooks :(

  117. Huh? by knarf · · Score: 1

    I'd say it depends on the person using the reader device - be it a PDA, mobile phone, smartphone, tablet or dedicated e-reader - as to whether s/he will be distracted by the other features made available by their device. I've been using some form of electronic reader ever since I got a phone capable of putting enough text on the screen (it happened to be a Nokia 'Taco' N-Gage but it could have been anything else) and have not felt distracted by the device - the opposite was true. Turn pages with one hand? Read whenever you want and wherever you are? In the dark? For a few minutes? Not so easily done using traditional print, but no problems for the electronic reader. From that N-Gage to the current Android what changed is that the screen got bigger and the resolution (as in 'dpi') higher, allowing me to cram even more text on a single page. Otherwise, the advantages remain. Does it matter that the device is capable of all those things the article talks about? No, of course not. Were I reading a traditional print book instead, distraction would be only the blink of an eye away.

    To be distracted or not depends much more on the subject than on the object used by said subject.

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  118. Are distractions really a _book_ issue? by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    Seems like distractions would be bad no matter what you're doing, whether that's reading a book or something else (e.g. writing code, driving a car, figuring out whom to vote for). They're also bad whether the personal computer used by the application happens to be a handheld or a desktop.

    I can see both sides of calling this a dumb-human problem and a bad-UI problem. On one hand, UI designers know that people are easily distracted, so having an icon blink or bounce when something trivial has happened, is probably bad. OTOH, humans know their computer UIs suck, so they ought to have trained themselves to adapt to the computer's shitty UI and ignore the bouncing ico-- oh geez, see where I'm going with that sentence? This actually is a bad UI problem, 100%. It's just that some people have whatever it takes to adapt to crappy UIs (as just happens to be the case with every other crappy UI and application that we have seen up to now) so they don't see the problem.

    What it's not, though, is a tablet problem (desktops have same kind of crap going on), a book problem (reading books are only one of hundreds of things disrupted by distractions, or a multitasking problem (there's no reason multitasking should force UIs to be distracting).

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