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Apple Unveils New iPad
adeelarshad82 writes "As expected, Apple announced the new iPad complete with a Retina Display, quad-core processor, 4G LTE, and an improved camera. The new iPad will run the rumored A5X processor, which according to Apple will provide four times the performance of the Tegra 3. The revamped tablet will also include a 2048-by-1536 display, apparently the most in any mobile device. And finally with 4G LTE, the new iPad will provide up to 73 Mbps download speeds; partners for which include Verizon, Rogers, Bell, Telus, and AT&T."
Quad core graphics, not quad core CPU...
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"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Glad to see this finally announced/released and while I'd love to exchange for my iPad2, I don't see a compelling reason to upgrade. Without Steve Jobs doing the dramatics, watching the Live Blog was almost as exciting as Watching Grass Grow.
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And put it in a netbook with a Thinkpad-style trackpoint... I'd buy that right away.
Wow! You'll be able to reach your 3GB cap in 5.19 minutes! What'll you do for the rest of the month? :D
The sweat, blood and tears of overworked Chinese college interns isn't cheap you know.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
is it still hundreds of dollars?
Yes, but adjusted for inflation, that actually makes it cheaper than its predecessors.
It's a fraction of a millimeter thicker than the iPad 2 and .7 pounds heavier. I guess the product wasn't going to go on getting thinner and lighter asymptotically.
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but she's got a new hat
Apple also announced a new Apple TV that will have 1080p for the same price as the current generation: $99. I didn't read any other changes.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
I can just see it now. Taking home the new ipad3, turning it on for the first time, excited for the fast download speed and massive processor, and the first message that appears:
You have exceeded your bandwidth quota for the month. All network apps disabled
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I saw somewhere that there are about 1300 of said Chinese co-eds at the gates every day trying to apply for a job at the plant
The answer to all your problems
So get a bluetooth keyboard.
They have these things called "jobs." You should look into that.
Not any more. I'm surprised you didn't see the coverage. It was everywhere. I wish Dennis Ritchie had gotten as much.
I am pretty surprised that siri is not fully implemented on this device. it is only being used for dictation
Buy the latest model or be excommunicated and banned from the Store. Go forth and buy, my children.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Meh, content creation is sooooo passé. All the cool kids today are consuming content provided by others, such as large media conglomerates desperate to get you to download their app. Don't you want to be cool?
Because they don't have much of a choice
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Nothing compelling to upgrade for me, but I do know a few people who didn't like the display in the 2 and who will buy a 3 now as a first time adopter.
From the iPad 1 to the iPad 2 there was the addition of the cameras and a substantial boost to power - that was compelling enough for me.
I'm trying to think of what would be a compelling upgrade for me from my iPad 2 and there really isn't much I can think of. Maybe the generation after this one will have a sufficient boost to power, battery life and other features to get me interested, but I dunno.
Since I can't tell them apart, I treat all ACs as the same person.
Seriously, do they really think anyone who would care about white balance would actually use an iPad as a camera?
First question after seeing this was "When can I order?".
You will never get that speed on the device. I have a 4G LTE cell phone and it doesn't even get 10% of that speed.
Hell it shouldn't even be allowed to be called 4G. The 4G standard is 100Mbps for high mobility devices (cellphones in cars) and 1Gbps for low mobility devices (people walking down the street or in their homes). This is a fraud in advertising.
That screen is just incredible. I mean, here I am working on a dual monitor setup - two 22" 1680x1050 monitors, side by side. That's about 3.5 megapixels. But along comes the new iPad, with a 3 megapixel screen in a 10" form factor - 85% of the pixels in about 15% of the area. Crazy. I'm not planning on buying one right now (already have iPad 1, which at this point I'll use until it dies), but I'm really glad that somebody is pushing screen resolutions above the relatively low 1080p we seem to be stuck with today on virtually every LCD.
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Is literally the new name. Am I the only one that thinks this is lame. Would Steve have ever okay this?
That's the kicker.
You got manufacturers talking about how fast everything is, but ISP's continually curtailing that speed.
Not really, because the average salary has not gone up in that same time frame.
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
... no he is no Steve Jobs, he even forgot to tell the public WHAT THE NEW IPAD IS CALLED! ... ipad 3, ipad HD? iPad Retina?
He could have done better!
Naw, it's the "best and brightest" execs that are the real expense. Foxconn workers get $0.35 an hour while the execs get $100 million bonuses.
I'm just hoping I'll finally be able to get a monitor with a similar resolution for a reasonable price. If Apple can make a 10" display with that many pixels, plus other computer guts, for $500, I don't think a 22-24" monitor with that resolution for $500 is too much to ask.
Yes and no. I expect that Apple has quietly secured the majority of the manufacturing facilities for that display to keep their costs down. Competitors will have the display later and more expensive. Also laptops have a 16:9 aspect and are not likely to migrate back to a 4:3 display.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
It's an Apple product, I'm more of an Orange guy.
Okay, but I think you'll find that portability will be an issue.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
But in the mobile world, most rendering is done through tile-based deferred rendering. The frame-buffer was already being split up during rendering, so having cores work in parallel isn't that big of a change.
I'm trying to think of what would be a compelling upgrade for me from my iPad 2 and there really isn't much I can think of. Maybe the generation after this one will have a sufficient boost to power, battery life and other features to get me interested, but I dunno.
At some point, they're going to hit the "Good Enough" plateau that has plagued the mainstream PC business. And they'll saturate the market of likely buyers. At that point the market will change into two separate segments:
People who are upgrading simply because the Lithium battery pack is shot. The goal with these people will be to keep them from defecting to Android or Windows.
An entry level market that we haven't seen yet (Kindle Fire territory), consisting of children and people in developing markets.
The same resolution as my old CRTs, which I absolutely, wholeheartedly welcome back.
That's OK. iPad is still in the rapid growth phase. They need to appeal to people who don't yet have an iPad, not people who already have a slightly older model.
If only they'd just make it compatible with every bluetooth keyboard on the market.
*sigh*
If only.
Who hurt you?
Sand's overrated... it's just tiny little rocks.
So don't buy one. Geez. I don't have a need for a dump truck, a B-52 or a complete set of Star Wars action figures, but I don't particularly care if other people find them interesting or useful.
Do you log into the American Dolls website to say you don't want one of those either?
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Everyone who ever took a photo cares about white balance. They might not know the phrase white balance. But they care if the pictures look too orangey or too blue. And auto white balance means that problem is mostly fixed without ever having to learn what white balance means.
This is exactly what everyone predicted, and I'm fine with that. I'm just a hair disappointed that the front camera is still VGA. Even if FaceTime is bandwidth-limited or someting, it'd be nice to take pictures of, say, yourself and your kids in greater than 0.3MP.
Oh, and the name--iPad, iPad 2, The new iPad. :-( Reminds me of my file versioning system: index.html, index-old.html, index-new.html, index-newer.html, index-newest.html, index-final.html, index-absolutely-final.html, index-final-i-swear-to-god-i-mean-it-this-time.html...
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
"Without Steve Jobs doing the dramatics, watching the Live Blog was almost as exciting as Watching Grass Grow."
Tim Cook may be as wooden as a door, but that man knows distribution. Jobs may have had the charisma, but Cook deserves a lot of the credit getting Apple to where it is today.
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Graphics is so highly parallel that the concept of a core doesn't really apply to graphics processors, at least ones I've seen. You talk about them in terms of shaders, ROPs, TMUs and so on.
No pun intended, but it'd make a great thin client alternative to a laptop.
Consider you had a "case" that you could dock the iPad to that had a battery, keyboard, mouse, charger, and possibly speakers. Combine some VPN software and RDP/VNC and it'd be pretty sweet for the occasional traveler.
You win a free iWhoosh.
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If by "quality" you mean a tablet that many reviewers called rushed and incomplete, after a year, finally got the features everyone expected at launch, and has very few applications to this day, I'd hate to see what you call "poor".
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I agree. I'll be keeping my iPad 1 until it dies.
The most exciting thing to me was the other thing that got announced: the 1080p capable Apple TV. I know, for the majority of folks watching movies on a 30-40" LCD TV, 720p vs. 1080p is a wash. But I just put a home theater projector in the basement, and watching 720p on a 90" screen is just as bad as watching standard-def on a 50" LCD.
And with places like Blockbuster going under, it's getting harder to find sources for Blu-ray disc rentals. RedBox is great when they have something, but that's about it. As far as I'm aware this is the first time anybody's offered downloadable (well, legally downloadable) 1080p content. But it's not clear when that will be available, if it's Apple TV exclusive (not available in iTunes on OS X / Windows), etc.
It is an impressive list of statistics, but for the end-user (consumer) who is not a nurd, what improvements does it actually offer? What is new besides the brand names and measurements?
Because you aren't the target market. The target market is people who want to read email, watch youtube, check facebook and surf the web. Tablets are for consuming on.
I own an iPad 1. Its more convenient to sit on my couch, read a magazine that was delievered wirelessly, play a quick game that I either got for free (or paid $.99 for). It's nice at work to listen to music, and the battery life is amazing. Lasts from 8 in the morning until I go to bed. No need to lug around a cord for my laptop. No I can't create on it, wouldn't want to. I have a desktop and a laptop to do "real" computing on.
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To all appearances, it's being called The New iPad.
And people thought a software version that had the year embedded in the title was a bad idea...
I don't think people will actually buy new devices just to replace the battery. If we reach that plateau I'd expect to see the many existing third-party shops that do iPad/iPod/iPhone battery replacement to do more business, that's all.
Not sure why people think this is a big issue. Battery replacements for laptops can already be like $150 sometimes. Adding 20 minutes of moderately-skilled labor to that equation doesn't change much.
I have seen the future, and it is inconvenient.
Fingers crossed also that it might prompt a return to a more useful aspect ratio in affordable monitors.
... which will hopefully have an open platform version somewhere so I can run my own stuff on it.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
They have those. They're called "laptops".
That's just crazy talk.
EVERYBODY wants an American Girl doll.
Judging from the history of these things, Apple probably has the entire supply tied up for the next 18 months.
The best camera is the one you have with you. The iPad in your backpack is better than the DSLR in your closet at home.
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Yep, that's what we did for our 150+ business users that we gave iPad's to, cover with integrated Bluetooth keyboard.
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So, there are two models, an AT&T one and a Verzon one, but they both have UMTS/HSPA/GSM bands that would cover the "world" but also AT&T 3G service.
So, can I buy the Verizon model and slip in an AT&T card for now? 4G won't get to my area for a couple of years yet, but Verizon is more likely to have the better coverage when it happens.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
Not by much. Inflation rate is pretty much nil these days (CPI when ipad2 launched ~217, CPI today ~227). @$500, that's only about $20... Since the wholesale electronics probably got cheaper it's probably a wash for Apple's profit.
On the other hand, median wages have been falling, so relative to typical purchasing power, the price has gone up.
Of course just like any electronics, the specs always get better for new models, so that isn't anything to sneeze at.
I don't get the Apple hate... well, I get part of it. It must feel good to trash some product/company, makes you feel superior (I guess). Since their success defies geek sensibilities (?) their customers must all be sheep or something.
But isn't this just the free market at work? It isn't as if they are like Microsoft* in the 90's, using their monopoly to rake users and customers over the proverbial barrel. They are selling into a very competitive market, doing the best thing of inventing stuff people want (not just pulling a Microsoft* and hanging out for ~4 years working on their copy), and raking in the money as stuff flies off the shelf to happy customers in record numbers. Selling the number of items they do, week after month after month after year, and maybe just maybe they've figured out the key component of the market: selling stuff customers want to buy.
If the only way you can rationalize their success is claiming the bulk of their sales is to fashion conscious wealthy hipsters chasing status symbols, you are deluded worse than the customer base that exists in your imagination. That explanation might fly for low numbers over a few quarters, but this is the same crap critics have been leveling for nearly 10 years of their gizmo selling. Time to grow up and deal with it. Or even better, do the "free market competition" thing and create better (better as in defined by the market) alternatives. Or, hang in the shadows crying about how the market isn't obeying your carefully constructed world view.
They're working constantly to keep ahead of Google/Android... customers and the industry benefit, right?
*Not trying to throw Microsoft under that bus, but that's just how its turned out over the last ~12 years or so.
Costello: What’s the name of the new iPad?
Abbott: The new iPad.
Costello: Yes, the name of the new iPad?
Abbott: The new iPad.
Costello: Yes, the device just released today by Apple.
Abbott: The new iPad.
Costello: I know! What’s the name of the new iPad?
Abbott: The new iPad.
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I think that all of us on slashdot can agree
You haven't been here long, have you?
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You could have made the same arguments for MS in the 90s, the big difference being that Apple screws developers more than users. The popularization of curated computing is the worst thing ever done in the history of computing (for the industry itself and users, of course worse things have been done using computers). And that's all Apple's fault.
If that isn't bad enough for you, Apple is now abusing patents worse than IBM or MS ever did, among other litigation like suing manufacturers for the use of concentric rectangles with rounded corners, and and is currently the #1 employer of ethically questionable labor.
The way I see it if you hated MS in the 90's you should sure as hell hate Apple now.
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Same as current iPad2 (10h, 9h with 4G).
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
if you have one you're going to take it places like family functions and vacations so that it will probable be in your hands unlike your phone which may be useless outside the US.
so you will use the ipad like a camera/camcorder
Um, what? I'm sorry I can't parse that.
So if you go to family functions in a foreign country, you will be able to take pictures with your ipad 3 but not your phone? And you wouldn't just take a small dedicated camera, which takes better photos/video than either and isn't nearly as clunky to use as an ipad for taking pictures? Like that?
Does this happen a lot?
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
the only interesting thing about it is that apple has cut their profit margin to compete with android.
That's OK. iPad is still in the rapid growth phase.
Really? You think so?
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A big yawn there.
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I already have that - the Asus Transformer Prime.
"excuse me here, but i thought a retina display implied ~300dpi this one falls a fair bit short of the mark if i'm not mistaken so once again apple marketing triumphs over al"l
264 dpi, 2048x1536 in 10 inches... maybe your complaint is about some imagined deficiency, but if you'd care to explain how this is actually a failure, I'd love to hear it. Are you actually complaining that if you freeze frame and squint really hard from two inches away you can actually make out... (gasp)... pixels? Because you couldn't make them out at normal viewing distance.
In other words, tell me how your post isn't just a knee-jerk, pointless, anti-apple jab with no redeeming value.
Wow. Did I accidentally log in to the Apple site again?
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
You can easily get two laptops for the price of one iPad.
Just what I'm looking for -- a distribution professional to do my PR.
Sony ha
And now you have 150+ employees who get less work done than ever before.
"get Android to run on it,"
Forget android!! I want to see FreeBSD/Plan9/Inferno on it.
Let's see...what apps did Apple cover in the keynote? Autodesk Sketchbook, GarageBand, iMovie, iPhoto, the iWork suite and a couple games. Yeah, no content creation at all.
It doesn't surprise me that you were modded up, as Slashdot is full of geeks that spend their lives in front of keyboards. However, it might surprise you to discover that the world managed to create a great many things before keyboards were ever invented. It's hardly a requirement for creativity, and in many tasks is even a hindrance.
Demanding that the iPad come with a built-in keyboard to suit your needs is like musicians demanding the iPad come with guitar strings or artists demanding it come with stylus support and a set of digitizer pens. The iPad is generic. If you have specific needs, buy a damn accessory.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
Yes, but then you'd have to carry around two laptops.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
But I bet they feel more prestigious.
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Well, except those people who need to haul stuff around, or tow things..boats are big down here for example.
Me?
I don't need one...2 seater sports car for me.
But I'm damned glad I have friends with trucks, Jeeps, etc...I trade keys with them, to borrow them when I need to move stuff around, or buy something that can't fit in my car, from a place that won't deliver.
All the SUV's out there? Likely as not...not needed that much, especially the ones driven around town by one woman, talking on the phone...'measuring' the lanes from side to side as they talk and try to drive.
But for people moving things around a lot, and with boats, or need to move 4 wheelers and the like (fishing and hunting camps)...sure, there is a need for them, especially pickup trucks.
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Why do all notebook displays suck in dpi?
Because so many applications suck in DPI. Vertical market applications may not have been tested at any DPI other than the Windows default of 96. So if you set your window system's DPI so that text remains readable, your applications are likely to become ugly at best or unusable at worst. This has caused a lack of demand for laptop-sized high-DPI panels.
Alright, so count me as a doubter that didn't think they'd pull out the super hi-res screen and keep it at the same price. So all of a sudden Apple comes out of nowhere with screen resolution that leapfrogs everything out there, including pretty much all of the LCD desktop monitors that I've used. So where is everyone else with super hi-res screens on commodity LCD monitors, laptops, etc.? Let alone Android tablets? When and where will we see those?
That's just crazy talk.
EVERYBODY wants an American Girl doll.
This coming from a guy named "Americano". Hardly surprising.
If I mod you up, it doesn't necessarily mean I agree with what you've said, sorry.
Available apps, 3G connection, touch interface, weight. Also you don't have to use the keyboard, it's just there in case you happen to have a need to enter a large amount of text. They're probably not used very often but since they cost about the same as a month of data service it was a very small part of the TCO calculation and potentially added a large amount of value.
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You will be pressed to find a laptop the performs as well as an iPad at the $200 range. Even the $600 laptop for a decent net-book doesn't have all the same bells and whistles.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
yes, we need EVERYONE to be content creators. because if there's one thing i learned from teaching guitar lessons for 5 years, EVERYONE is a rockstar.
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For whatever reason, the PowerVR mobile GPUs are described in number of cores.
Well there's a technical reason. To go back to the grand parent:
You talk about them in terms of shaders, ROPs, TMUs and so on.
These are organised in a module. The various different models in a range a distinguished by the number of such modules. (That's what the number of "Streming Multiprocessor" is in tables of GeForce cards).
Either by product binning: the factory makes GPU with 8 such modules, then test how many of these are actually usable and how many have defects and then activate between 1 and 7 of them and sells them as a different product in the same range. From "GPU Destructor 990 XL-Deluxe Elite" (with 7 of the 8 core activated - and needs 3 12v connectors) down to "GPU Destructor 120 Light Laptop Edition (only 1 usable core, but sips only 30 Watts). (And some time less core are activated than actually usable due to demand and offer economic laws, leading to users who try to unlock core and convert one card to the next one in the series simply by flashing a new firmware - a classic with some GeForce series).
Or by producing variants: Desktop range a based on a 8-module design, Laptop range have a 4 module design at a finer process, so it uses a lot less energy.
(I know some ATI/AMD GPUs are organised so).
In the case of PowerVR, from what I remember, GPUs were designed to be able to work in parallel (I think: each GPU taking care of a different tile of the deferred tile-based rendering). So it's very likely that maket speak "4 core GPU" means "4 modules" which in fact is "4 powerVRs working in parallel" (for a speed increase approaching 4x).
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I have a desktop and a laptop to do "real" computing on.
But how long until the iPad becomes so deceptively capable that people buy it as their only computer?
Let's see...what apps did Apple cover in the keynote? Autodesk Sketchbook, GarageBand, iMovie, iPhoto, the iWork suite and a couple games. Yeah, no content creation at all.
Sure, and there are a few people who even purchase these devices (tablets in general, not just iPads) that actually use them as creation tools. The rest (read: vast majority) just have a shiny expensive gadget that lets them browse the web and watch videos on yet another device.
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Available apps, 3G connection, touch interface, weight. Also you don't have to use the keyboard, it's just there in case you happen to have a need to enter a large amount of text. They're probably not used very often but since they cost about the same as a month of data service it was a very small part of the TCO calculation and potentially added a large amount of value.
Weight of the iPad, the case and the built in keyboard for the case probably isn't significantly different than an Asus eeepc. 3G is available on netbooks, so that isn't an issue, either. Same with the thickness. Touch interface would be nice, though. As for apps, I would doubt that the iPad or even Android have more, truly usable apps than either Windows or Linux.
So ignoring, the cost of 3G service, which would be the same regardless, paying $600+ for iPad/case/keyboard combos versus $250 for the netbook makes good business sense how?
The number mentioned was 150 units, so that comes out to be a difference of $52,500. The difference is greater than the purchase price of the same quantity of netbooks. I am not trying to troll or anything, I'm just trying to see the logic behind such decision.
You can easily get two laptops for the price of one iPad.
Heck, in terms of mass - with those two $250 laptops you're getting 10-20x the value in kilograms/dollar!
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This is ridiculous. Someone in the computer monitor business should get his ass kicked.
My 24" monitor has a resolution of 1920x1200 and even that was difficult to find - most were only 1920x1080 (a.k.a Full HD).
How come a puny tablet has more pixels than a 24" monitor and no one is doing anything about it?!
I spent about a year with a first generation iPad as my primary computing device. I'd purchased a blue tooth keyboard and it worked fine for what I needed it to do, most write term papers.
What I found is that it was a royal pain to switch back and forth between my text editor and my web browser (or PDF viewer). This was the largest draw back for me.
I also found Mobile Safari to be less than stellar. Now that I've switched to a Mac Book Air, I tend to have 20 to 30 Chrome tabs open at once. Good luck with that on Mobile Safari. And, worse, it would tend to refresh the page and lose its position when I switched to the text editor and then back. That makes it difficult to write term papers.
Lastly, my preferred text editing solution (LaTeX) was unavailable (and will always be unavailable) for iOS. This meant that I'd have to borrow my kids computer for a half hour to an hour to finish up my term papers. In the grand scheme of writing 10 or 15 thousand words from start to finish, that's not so bad.
I still miss the iPad. Gestures on the touch screen were a thing of brilliance. Lion makes up for some of that with the track pad. But it just isn't the same. I also miss the battery life and the ability to take it somewhere without the keyboard.
For many people, an iPad is probably all the computer they really need. For me, not so much. But the hardware limitations weren't what I bumping into. The problem was policy. Apple does not want apps that can run turing machines. LaTeX with its macro language is right out. Apple hasn't made a way to task switch back and forth between programs in an intuitive fashion. Maybe by the time it comes to replace my Mac Book, they'll finally be there. They aren't there yet.
You're holding them wrong.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
It still costs more than a laptop and does less than a laptop.
I find being offended by me offensive.
Just imagine if they had shitty third rate execs who only got $90 million in bonuses.
They might have to pay the workers 40 cents an hour! The sky would fall in.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
There are already a bunch of Android tablets announced with 1080p screens, starting with Asus TF700. They are probably not aiming higher than 1080p because Android apps can generally adjust pretty well to screen of a different size and proportions.
I dodged that bullet. My mom got my daughter and american doll with matching pony. My daughter could car less, but that wouldn't be very likely.
OTOH, she loves her model rocket, and is looking forward to this summers robot building project.
so, what I am saying is.. I Win.
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Lets break it down:
"Amen."
You can het a keyboard for it.
". I'm a long time Apple fan "
Ah, the old argument from authority.
"- ran UNIX on my Mac II back in '89 and ever since"
Pointless an irrelevant dick waving.
" I dunno why one would need a tablet."
OK, there are only 100s of place you can look and see where it fits a niche laptop don't. I am NOT saying you should get one, I am saying you are an ignorant myopic person who uses their ignorance to make yourself feel like you have a big dick.
" I don't see the point"
Are you stupid. Tell me, what is the point of a TV?
" I don't see the point of iPhones either"
Again, I think you might be mentally slow. Phone, music, contacts, camera in one package. Same as any smart phone.
" What I'd really like to see is an Apple-branded cell phone jammer."
so you are a dumb*, and egotistical to think everyone around you needs to conform to your perceptions. Which is typical of the truly stupid.
I mean, do we need any more evidence the n that last line to show how you think about other people?
*literally, you are stupid. Not many peopel are actually stupid, so congrats.
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Apple sells 62% of all the tables sold. So, no, not 'everyone is buying iPads. The majority? sure.
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May I remind you that Scotty wasn't able to input the formula for transparent aluminum until he was offered a keyboard. Do you really want to own a computing device on which transparent aluminum cannot be created?
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What kind of laptop can you get for $250?
1280 pixels is the sweet spot for browsing
It is silly to think in terms like that for browsing.
On a smaller screen the increase in pixel density is very useful, because you are mostly looking at fairly scaled down web pages. The text can render readably even down to as small as five points or so, which makes the whole browser more usable because you spend less time zooming in and out to read.
The iPhone4 screen has been fantastic for reading, I am REALLY looking forward to this newer high DPI screen for reading all kinds of things, browsing among them.
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Look, the business didn't even blink at the cost of the ipads or the data plans. They LIKE the ipad. We've developed a mobile paperless presentation system using off the shelf components that are only available for the ipad (for now, the developer is talking about an Android build but isn't sure the work will be justified since most of the companies looking in this space jumped on ipads just like we did) that has saved us a ton of money on printed marketing materials and which gives us access to up to the minute information. I'm not saying it would be impossible to do a similar thing with netbooks but since the ipad is easy enough for a C level person to use and light enough for them to carry that's what got the dollars.
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Why would you talk about smartphones vs tablets when the point was DSLR's vs tablets?
Paying $600+ for iPad/case/keyboard combos versus $250 for the netbook makes good business sense how?
The iPad is a lot more usable than a netbook, because iPad software is tailored to the device.
Using a Netbook means you are generally running software that usually was built targeting a much more powerful system - yes it runs, but not well.
The iPad is also more durable and has a much better resale value. It makes no sense to me to spend $250 per year on a netbook when an iPad will last for three and you can sell it for $200 when you upgrade.
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"it just really doesn't work well with most people, and the software (which is *absolutely* and *inextricably* part of the technology needed for this to work) is not up to the task".
Says who? Why do you think this is the case? And no, the software has absolutely nothing to do with it. I'm looking right now at my 22" >200dpi displays running 4pt fonts (not OS scaled) in my code editors, having salvaged IBM's monitors that used to be made for medical imaging, and yes the pixels are discernable. 99% of the onscreen text is still made with 1-pixel wide strokes and is clearly legible (at normal ~10 pt non-OS-scaled sizes) to regular people over my shoulder as I show them things. Comparable pixels are also discernable on the N800 I used to use, which is also in a similar DPI range iirc.
Lots of high-end technical users want to do the same and run things as small & sharp as are perceptible to them WITHOUT any scaling. All's that's needed are high-DPI monitors, no OS changes at all. Works fine in Windows, Linux, and whatever else you want. Again, this is a prosumer market desire, not something to foist onto the average person.
There's the fact that this was the worst point in your crappy post. Apple makes a tiny profit off the App Store but they treat it as a loss leader. Most of the money goes first to developers, then to credit card companies, then to store maintenance, then a tiny profit left over for them.
But, Apple Haterz gotta Hate. By any means necessary.
The guy deciding wants a free iPad.
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How dare they do that, without checking with /. first?
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Apple painted themselves into a corner resolution-wise. They have to double it, or not change it at all.
For some reason iOS developers all forgot how to code for multiple screen resolutions -- even though they've (for the most part) been doing it for years, and handling highly variable aspect ratios at the same time.
Even when I'm targeting a specific mobile device, I make sure that the layout adapts correctly to various resolutions and aspect ratios. It takes very little extra work and the rewards are great when your needs change in the future and you need to port it to a different device or class of devices with different resolutions and aspect ratios.
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It's already happened. But so what? I hate to tell you, but most people use their computers for surfing the web, Skype and maybe some e-mail.
I took mine on a trip to Europe last year instead of my notebook. It was slightly more awkward to do a few things but MUCH easier to carry. I wouldn't want to switch to an iPad exclusively, but for 90% of the people I know a tablet would probably be fine for their only personal computer.
There is a Crossfire/SLI mode like this but the most efficient and common one is to allow GPUs to render alternating frames.
Alternate frame rendering is common, but it's not "efficient". It's a hack used to permit multi-GPU cooperation when the GPUs aren't really designed for it. Having everything work on the same frame in parallel is much better in practice.
Reasons: AFR overlaps the processing of frames, so each individual frame still has the same amount of latency (increasing frame rate isn't the only important thing, latency is always important). Also, 3D APIs aren't designed for AFR, so applications usually don't have good control over how the driver decides to manage it. The API model is to submit work for 1 frame at a time, close it, then start a new frame. This can result in zero performance gain since some applications serialize themselves on true frame completion (often in order to do post processing on a frame after it's done rendering). Finally, AFR has long been plagued by timing jitter. Ideally if you have 2 GPUs that each can produce 1 frame every 20ms, you want GPU 1 to output at 0ms, 20ms, 40ms, etc., while GPU 2 outputs at 10ms, 30ms, 50ms, etc., so that the sequence seen by the eye is 0, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 -- smooth motion. Instead, it's common for AFR systems to drift and start doing bad things like 0, 5, 20, 25, 40, 45, etc. This uneven frame-to-frame timing (jitter) is visibly unpleasant.
These problems cause some review sites (AnandTech) to recommend against multi-GPU unless you absolutely need it to drive a crazy number of pixels. An equally powerful single GPU (if you can get it) is usually a better choice (if you can afford it), because its performance will be usable across more games and there is no chance of it suffering from jitter.
The iPad GPUs are PowerVR tile based renderers, so adding more "cores" improves the amount of parallelism in rendering the tiles of a single frame rather than implementing an AFR scheme.
If they find that an iPad fills all of their computing needs, then I don't see what the problem is. It's not like all the manufacturers who are not Apple are going to stop making desktops and laptops.
I really should write this up and save it on my computer since I seem to have to give this talk on Slashdot fairly often. High rez displays are NOT a simple issue. There are a number of technical things that have to happen before they are feasible. Now these things are all finally coming together, but only quite recently. Thus it should be no surprise we haven't seen them yet. So some of the issues are:
1) Proper DPI scaling. If displays are going to get much smaller than the 72DPI standard, then things need to scale up properly so people can still see shit. If you are 18 with laser sharp vision you may not understand but trust me, you will. Well the problem is that many programs still don't do that well. Windows itself does, and has since Vista (XP supported scaling but there were some issues, Vista and 7 do it flawlessly) but some apps do not. Some just don't scale, some break their UIs, etc. So this has to be largely hashed out before higher DPI displays will take off.
2) Interconnect bandwidth. Lots of pixels takes lots of bandwidth and that is not an nontrivial issue. Even 1920x1080x24bpp@60Hz. That takes almost 3gbps raw (not counting control signals or overhead). So say you want that doubled in both dimensions, now you need almost 12gbps raw. DVI can't handle that. DP can, but only the new 1.2 spec which didn't happen until the very end of 2009 (and of course implementation takes time after specification). Now what if you also want deep colour (more than 8bpp) and 120Hz?
3) Video memory. You have to take the entirety of the screen you want to display and double it (double buffering) to get an idea of how much VRAM you need for a basic framebuffer. More for advanced composting. Well that is 64MB just for basic framebuffer for a 3840x2160 display at 24bpp (you store it as 32 bits for various reasons). Not a problem with a 1GB video card, which is common today but not long ago 256MB was "high end" and as I said, you need more than the minimum to do anything useful, like desktop composition.
4) GPU power. No point in having a nice ultra high rez display if everything has to be rendered low rez because there is insufficient GPU power. You need some heavy hitting hardware (lots of ROPs in particular) to push that many pixels. Even today's high end GPUs would strain to do it on complex things and of course it needs to be useful on more budget GPUs.
Of course after all that there is still the issue of cost. Each sub pixel is a transistor (or two transistors in the case of IPS) and transistors cost money. Quadruple the number of transistors, you are increasing the cost of the panel and the LCD market has been extremely cost sensitive.
So it is coming at some point, but there are technical issues, most of which have only recently been overcome and some which still lurk. You can find 4k monitors on the market, if you like you just don't really want to know what they cost.
This device, or more accurately, its display, is going to finally convince me to buy into Apple's ecosystem. That 4:3 display, with close-to-paper aspect ratios and 260+ DPI, should finally offer a pleasant experience for viewing multi-column full colour PDFs.
If there was an Android competitor in the offing, I'd wait for it. But I can't find anything other than tech demos from Samsung, which they had no plans to turn into a consumer product. The best competitor appears to be a 1920x1200 tablet, but the widescreen form factor (aka narrowscreen in portrait mode) is nothing like as good for looking at documents.
My last two phones were Androids (HTC Desire, Motorola Atrix), but depending on how the iPad experience turns out, I think my next phone purchase might hop the fence. (I'm sick of buying premium phones that are abandoned by their manufacturers months later... the Atrix hardware is great, but I'm pissed that Motorola isn't going to give it Android 4).
People stopped buying the netbooks and instead bought the iPad.
That's not really what happened.
Quite a few people were using netbooks for tasks that a tablet was more well suited to. Those that were and were happy to pay the price of an iPad bought iPads instead.
But, apart from a few uses, they're not really comparable.
What actually happened is that ASUS sold small, cheap, light (did I mention cheap, small and light) but otherwise fully functional computers which were really small, cheap and light. And surprisingly robust, too.
They sold bucket loads of them. Then all the other vendors jumped on board and they sold lots too.
At this point there was a healthy market for machines like the eee900 and eee901 (1st gen Atom).
Then they started making them bigger, heavier and more expensive. Microsoft wanted them to run Windows but wanted to kill XP and they have a lot of influence. Intel wouldn't sell chips to vendors wanting to do anything interesting. Then the iPad came out.
Now they're not so small, not so light and not so cheap low powered laptops.
The iPad didn't kill the netbook. The manufacturers of netbooks and associated vendors killed the netbook quite well on their own.
Then Apple came out with the iPad. That was bad primarily because other vendors are half-way obsessed with trying to copy Apple (with little success) rather than figuring out how to sell to people not well served by Apple.
That's not Apple's fault.
But the consumer certainly lost.
You know, my eee 900 is lighter than any netbook currently available.
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no, on the apple site there are hordes of people bitching about products they bought... here there are hordes of people bitching about products other people bought.