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Apple Unveils New iPad
adeelarshad82 writes "As expected, Apple announced the new iPad complete with a Retina Display, quad-core processor, 4G LTE, and an improved camera. The new iPad will run the rumored A5X processor, which according to Apple will provide four times the performance of the Tegra 3. The revamped tablet will also include a 2048-by-1536 display, apparently the most in any mobile device. And finally with 4G LTE, the new iPad will provide up to 73 Mbps download speeds; partners for which include Verizon, Rogers, Bell, Telus, and AT&T."
Quad core graphics, not quad core CPU...
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I for one hate apple, but if this comes at a nice price I'm buying a few to use solely as monitors. Or does anyone knows of displays of comparable quality (we still have to see this one), size and resolution?
Glad to see this finally announced/released and while I'd love to exchange for my iPad2, I don't see a compelling reason to upgrade. Without Steve Jobs doing the dramatics, watching the Live Blog was almost as exciting as Watching Grass Grow.
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The new iPad will use the A5X which is dual core but will have a quad core GPU from PowerVR. It appears this is Apple's solution to double the resolution is to have each core handle half of the screen. It's like Crossfire/SLI.
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And put it in a netbook with a Thinkpad-style trackpoint... I'd buy that right away.
Wow! You'll be able to reach your 3GB cap in 5.19 minutes! What'll you do for the rest of the month? :D
The sweat, blood and tears of overworked Chinese college interns isn't cheap you know.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
is it still hundreds of dollars?
Yes, but adjusted for inflation, that actually makes it cheaper than its predecessors.
It's a fraction of a millimeter thicker than the iPad 2 and .7 pounds heavier. I guess the product wasn't going to go on getting thinner and lighter asymptotically.
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Is the screen glossy or matte?
but she's got a new hat
Apple also announced a new Apple TV that will have 1080p for the same price as the current generation: $99. I didn't read any other changes.
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Amen. I'm a long time Apple fan - ran UNIX on my Mac II back in '89 and ever since - but if one has a laptop, I dunno why one would need a tablet. I don't see the point. But then again, I don't see the point of iPhones either. What I'd really like to see is an Apple-branded cell phone jammer.
I can just see it now. Taking home the new ipad3, turning it on for the first time, excited for the fast download speed and massive processor, and the first message that appears:
You have exceeded your bandwidth quota for the month. All network apps disabled
#fuckbeta #iamslashdot #dicemustdie
I saw somewhere that there are about 1300 of said Chinese co-eds at the gates every day trying to apply for a job at the plant
The answer to all your problems
Put it in 14 inch laptops
or atleast start putting 1920*1200 displays in 14inch laptops
This launch proves that the display isnt exorbitantly expensive or impossible to manufacture
And a monitor with a similar resolution (though larger size) display costs 2x the cost of the iPad3
So get a bluetooth keyboard.
They have these things called "jobs." You should look into that.
Not any more. I'm surprised you didn't see the coverage. It was everywhere. I wish Dennis Ritchie had gotten as much.
I am pretty surprised that siri is not fully implemented on this device. it is only being used for dictation
Apple and AT&T believes the market for this tablet has the disposable income for the data overages.
Buy the latest model or be excommunicated and banned from the Store. Go forth and buy, my children.
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Meh, content creation is sooooo passé. All the cool kids today are consuming content provided by others, such as large media conglomerates desperate to get you to download their app. Don't you want to be cool?
They're too busy rattling on about pointless bullshit to bother telling people when/how they can preorder. Bright.
Because they don't have much of a choice
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Nothing compelling to upgrade for me, but I do know a few people who didn't like the display in the 2 and who will buy a 3 now as a first time adopter.
From the iPad 1 to the iPad 2 there was the addition of the cameras and a substantial boost to power - that was compelling enough for me.
I'm trying to think of what would be a compelling upgrade for me from my iPad 2 and there really isn't much I can think of. Maybe the generation after this one will have a sufficient boost to power, battery life and other features to get me interested, but I dunno.
Since I can't tell them apart, I treat all ACs as the same person.
Seriously, do they really think anyone who would care about white balance would actually use an iPad as a camera?
First question after seeing this was "When can I order?".
You will never get that speed on the device. I have a 4G LTE cell phone and it doesn't even get 10% of that speed.
Hell it shouldn't even be allowed to be called 4G. The 4G standard is 100Mbps for high mobility devices (cellphones in cars) and 1Gbps for low mobility devices (people walking down the street or in their homes). This is a fraud in advertising.
That screen is just incredible. I mean, here I am working on a dual monitor setup - two 22" 1680x1050 monitors, side by side. That's about 3.5 megapixels. But along comes the new iPad, with a 3 megapixel screen in a 10" form factor - 85% of the pixels in about 15% of the area. Crazy. I'm not planning on buying one right now (already have iPad 1, which at this point I'll use until it dies), but I'm really glad that somebody is pushing screen resolutions above the relatively low 1080p we seem to be stuck with today on virtually every LCD.
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for everyone to sell their old iPad! My biggest pet peeve, it's the most expensive "disposable" personal electronic device. It seems like it's embarrassing to be seen with the not-quite-latest version. (flamebait, i apologize.)
Is literally the new name. Am I the only one that thinks this is lame. Would Steve have ever okay this?
Jobs is dead, you incensitive bastard
That's the kicker.
You got manufacturers talking about how fast everything is, but ISP's continually curtailing that speed.
There is always a choice, but sometimes they are both bad.
Not really, because the average salary has not gone up in that same time frame.
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
You still sacrifice just as much of your soul.
But adjusted for inflation, that also makes it cheaper than its predecessors.
The world is made by those who show up for the job.
... no he is no Steve Jobs, he even forgot to tell the public WHAT THE NEW IPAD IS CALLED! ... ipad 3, ipad HD? iPad Retina?
He could have done better!
Naw, it's the "best and brightest" execs that are the real expense. Foxconn workers get $0.35 an hour while the execs get $100 million bonuses.
I'm just hoping I'll finally be able to get a monitor with a similar resolution for a reasonable price. If Apple can make a 10" display with that many pixels, plus other computer guts, for $500, I don't think a 22-24" monitor with that resolution for $500 is too much to ask.
Now you can reach the data cap in under a minute ...
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I am in wallow with my inner money grubbing capitalistic pig. ... Oink!
Getting Http/1.1 Service Unavailable from their site just minutes after the press event ended.
It's an Apple product, I'm more of an Orange guy.
Okay, but I think you'll find that portability will be an issue.
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So what is apple calling it? There were rumors it would be called the iPad HD. So it is it iPad 3, iPad HD, iPad 4G, or just iPad (3rd gen)?
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I'm trying to think of what would be a compelling upgrade for me from my iPad 2 and there really isn't much I can think of. Maybe the generation after this one will have a sufficient boost to power, battery life and other features to get me interested, but I dunno.
At some point, they're going to hit the "Good Enough" plateau that has plagued the mainstream PC business. And they'll saturate the market of likely buyers. At that point the market will change into two separate segments:
People who are upgrading simply because the Lithium battery pack is shot. The goal with these people will be to keep them from defecting to Android or Windows.
An entry level market that we haven't seen yet (Kindle Fire territory), consisting of children and people in developing markets.
The same resolution as my old CRTs, which I absolutely, wholeheartedly welcome back.
if you have one you're going to take it places like family functions and vacations so that it will probable be in your hands unlike your phone which may be useless outside the US.
so you will use the ipad like a camera/camcorder
That's OK. iPad is still in the rapid growth phase. They need to appeal to people who don't yet have an iPad, not people who already have a slightly older model.
They managed to pack a 5 megapixel camera, into that tiny tablet! Wow, we wouldn't have dreamed that was possible back when the iPad 2 came out.
You're right, I wouldn't, because my N900 had already been packing a 5.2MP camera for over a year at the time.
But kudos to Apple for being the first to bring such an amazing camera to a mobile device.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
If only they'd just make it compatible with every bluetooth keyboard on the market.
*sigh*
If only.
Who hurt you?
Sand's overrated... it's just tiny little rocks.
So don't buy one. Geez. I don't have a need for a dump truck, a B-52 or a complete set of Star Wars action figures, but I don't particularly care if other people find them interesting or useful.
Do you log into the American Dolls website to say you don't want one of those either?
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Everyone who ever took a photo cares about white balance. They might not know the phrase white balance. But they care if the pictures look too orangey or too blue. And auto white balance means that problem is mostly fixed without ever having to learn what white balance means.
This is exactly what everyone predicted, and I'm fine with that. I'm just a hair disappointed that the front camera is still VGA. Even if FaceTime is bandwidth-limited or someting, it'd be nice to take pictures of, say, yourself and your kids in greater than 0.3MP.
Oh, and the name--iPad, iPad 2, The new iPad. :-( Reminds me of my file versioning system: index.html, index-old.html, index-new.html, index-newer.html, index-newest.html, index-final.html, index-absolutely-final.html, index-final-i-swear-to-god-i-mean-it-this-time.html...
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
"Without Steve Jobs doing the dramatics, watching the Live Blog was almost as exciting as Watching Grass Grow."
Tim Cook may be as wooden as a door, but that man knows distribution. Jobs may have had the charisma, but Cook deserves a lot of the credit getting Apple to where it is today.
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Graphics is so highly parallel that the concept of a core doesn't really apply to graphics processors, at least ones I've seen. You talk about them in terms of shaders, ROPs, TMUs and so on.
No pun intended, but it'd make a great thin client alternative to a laptop.
Consider you had a "case" that you could dock the iPad to that had a battery, keyboard, mouse, charger, and possibly speakers. Combine some VPN software and RDP/VNC and it'd be pretty sweet for the occasional traveler.
You win a free iWhoosh.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
If by "quality" you mean a tablet that many reviewers called rushed and incomplete, after a year, finally got the features everyone expected at launch, and has very few applications to this day, I'd hate to see what you call "poor".
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Except Apple's own older Bluetooth keyboards. We tried. The older clear and white lettered Bluetooth keyboards will not work. They can be seen, but do not connect fully.
And if they're in Android in months, then they should make it to a new crop of tablets sometime in 2014, or... well, whenever the carriers get around to deploying an upgrade. If they decide to for your device. You hope.
I agree. I'll be keeping my iPad 1 until it dies.
The most exciting thing to me was the other thing that got announced: the 1080p capable Apple TV. I know, for the majority of folks watching movies on a 30-40" LCD TV, 720p vs. 1080p is a wash. But I just put a home theater projector in the basement, and watching 720p on a 90" screen is just as bad as watching standard-def on a 50" LCD.
And with places like Blockbuster going under, it's getting harder to find sources for Blu-ray disc rentals. RedBox is great when they have something, but that's about it. As far as I'm aware this is the first time anybody's offered downloadable (well, legally downloadable) 1080p content. But it's not clear when that will be available, if it's Apple TV exclusive (not available in iTunes on OS X / Windows), etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson%27s_choice
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It is an impressive list of statistics, but for the end-user (consumer) who is not a nurd, what improvements does it actually offer? What is new besides the brand names and measurements?
Glad to see this finally announced/released and while I'd love to exchange for my iPad2, I don't see a compelling reason to upgrade. Without Steve Jobs doing the dramatics, watching the Live Blog was almost as exciting as Watching Grass Grow.
When I saw the rumored specs, I actually went out and sold my android tablet. I loved the thing, but I also managed to get a touchpad in the firesale. I use the touchpad the most of all, but I really want that retina display. I use my tablet for RDP/VNC all the time. Can't wait to use RDP without having to scroll around to use my machine.
Because you aren't the target market. The target market is people who want to read email, watch youtube, check facebook and surf the web. Tablets are for consuming on.
I own an iPad 1. Its more convenient to sit on my couch, read a magazine that was delievered wirelessly, play a quick game that I either got for free (or paid $.99 for). It's nice at work to listen to music, and the battery life is amazing. Lasts from 8 in the morning until I go to bed. No need to lug around a cord for my laptop. No I can't create on it, wouldn't want to. I have a desktop and a laptop to do "real" computing on.
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I don't think people will actually buy new devices just to replace the battery. If we reach that plateau I'd expect to see the many existing third-party shops that do iPad/iPod/iPhone battery replacement to do more business, that's all.
Not sure why people think this is a big issue. Battery replacements for laptops can already be like $150 sometimes. Adding 20 minutes of moderately-skilled labor to that equation doesn't change much.
I have seen the future, and it is inconvenient.
Fingers crossed also that it might prompt a return to a more useful aspect ratio in affordable monitors.
I want a keyboard and USB and printing and...
Sorry, but gray text on gray background is making my eyes bleed.
... which will hopefully have an open platform version somewhere so I can run my own stuff on it.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
And, compared to the iPad2 event, I'm going to say that is a good thing. It has what has been rumored, for the most part.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
They have those. They're called "laptops".
That's just crazy talk.
EVERYBODY wants an American Girl doll.
Considering that Apple would have to make it worse than an iPad 1 to get closer to the Playbook, I think they are more than justified in continuing their current direction.
Judging from the history of these things, Apple probably has the entire supply tied up for the next 18 months.
MOAR=Better I guess, though I really don't see the tangible benefit of these "retina" displays at all.
Consider an eye exam.
The best camera is the one you have with you. The iPad in your backpack is better than the DSLR in your closet at home.
My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
Yep, that's what we did for our 150+ business users that we gave iPad's to, cover with integrated Bluetooth keyboard.
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Any word on the battery life of this thing?
So, there are two models, an AT&T one and a Verzon one, but they both have UMTS/HSPA/GSM bands that would cover the "world" but also AT&T 3G service.
So, can I buy the Verizon model and slip in an AT&T card for now? 4G won't get to my area for a couple of years yet, but Verizon is more likely to have the better coverage when it happens.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
Not by much. Inflation rate is pretty much nil these days (CPI when ipad2 launched ~217, CPI today ~227). @$500, that's only about $20... Since the wholesale electronics probably got cheaper it's probably a wash for Apple's profit.
On the other hand, median wages have been falling, so relative to typical purchasing power, the price has gone up.
Of course just like any electronics, the specs always get better for new models, so that isn't anything to sneeze at.
They certainly have disposable income for useless overpriced devices.
I don't get the Apple hate... well, I get part of it. It must feel good to trash some product/company, makes you feel superior (I guess). Since their success defies geek sensibilities (?) their customers must all be sheep or something.
But isn't this just the free market at work? It isn't as if they are like Microsoft* in the 90's, using their monopoly to rake users and customers over the proverbial barrel. They are selling into a very competitive market, doing the best thing of inventing stuff people want (not just pulling a Microsoft* and hanging out for ~4 years working on their copy), and raking in the money as stuff flies off the shelf to happy customers in record numbers. Selling the number of items they do, week after month after month after year, and maybe just maybe they've figured out the key component of the market: selling stuff customers want to buy.
If the only way you can rationalize their success is claiming the bulk of their sales is to fashion conscious wealthy hipsters chasing status symbols, you are deluded worse than the customer base that exists in your imagination. That explanation might fly for low numbers over a few quarters, but this is the same crap critics have been leveling for nearly 10 years of their gizmo selling. Time to grow up and deal with it. Or even better, do the "free market competition" thing and create better (better as in defined by the market) alternatives. Or, hang in the shadows crying about how the market isn't obeying your carefully constructed world view.
They're working constantly to keep ahead of Google/Android... customers and the industry benefit, right?
*Not trying to throw Microsoft under that bus, but that's just how its turned out over the last ~12 years or so.
Do you know where i can get a complete set of Star Wars action figures?
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Am I able to take the SIM card out of my Verizon LTE phone and stick it in one of these tablets to get data using the same plan I have for my phone? Without paying extra, that is.
Or do they have something to block this?
I need a pad to watch movies while running in a gym. Is this new marvel going to have a bluetooth that does not delay? Friends, anybody knows of any bluetooth pad/headset pair that is friendly to each other and solve that horrible buffering issue?
Costello: What’s the name of the new iPad?
Abbott: The new iPad.
Costello: Yes, the name of the new iPad?
Abbott: The new iPad.
Costello: Yes, the device just released today by Apple.
Abbott: The new iPad.
Costello: I know! What’s the name of the new iPad?
Abbott: The new iPad.
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No Sprint, huh? You'll get to watch a total of one movie on that beautiful display before you're throttled back to smoke-signal speeds, you horrible user of what you paid for.
Who actually carries their huge ass iPad with them?
Mod me down, my New Earth Global Warmingist friends!
Wasn't this the same pricing as the iPad 2. News would be if it was different somehow.
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I think that all of us on slashdot can agree
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Screw 20". Send me a 30" monitor with 6144x4608 resolution. If the smallest model is $500, and half of that is the screen (doubtful it's that much), that would put it at only $2250. Then I just need a computer with a thunderbolt interface to drive that many pixels.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
No, "Retina display" is a marketing term which Apple uses to describe "a display where the average human eye cannot distinguish individual pixels when viewed from an average viewing distnace."
In this case, for the ~16 inch minimum viewing distance they've assumed for the iPad, the new display certainly meets that criteria.
You could have made the same arguments for MS in the 90s, the big difference being that Apple screws developers more than users. The popularization of curated computing is the worst thing ever done in the history of computing (for the industry itself and users, of course worse things have been done using computers). And that's all Apple's fault.
If that isn't bad enough for you, Apple is now abusing patents worse than IBM or MS ever did, among other litigation like suing manufacturers for the use of concentric rectangles with rounded corners, and and is currently the #1 employer of ethically questionable labor.
The way I see it if you hated MS in the 90's you should sure as hell hate Apple now.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
So I can't type on my iPad at all? Shit. What the hell does this virtual keyboard thingie do then?
Idiot.
The simple truth is that most people don't do any "content creation" above blog entries, tweets, etc on their full-sized computers. So why single out the iPad? Or do you just have a hard-on for bashing Apple?
Did he mention Apple in his post? Or did you miss the "large media conglomerate" part, or that it applies equally well to Android (or WP7, if you prefer that route).
I'm thinking the only person with a hard-on here is you, and for Apple.
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And laptops cost more and are much heavier with worse battery time.
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if you have one you're going to take it places like family functions and vacations so that it will probable be in your hands unlike your phone which may be useless outside the US.
so you will use the ipad like a camera/camcorder
Um, what? I'm sorry I can't parse that.
So if you go to family functions in a foreign country, you will be able to take pictures with your ipad 3 but not your phone? And you wouldn't just take a small dedicated camera, which takes better photos/video than either and isn't nearly as clunky to use as an ipad for taking pictures? Like that?
Does this happen a lot?
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
People who travel with it instead of their laptops/smart phones. The chance of someone having their tablet with them is much higher than someone carrying around a DSLR. I would carry a DSLR if I knew I would be taking pictures. I would carry a tablet much more often.
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the only interesting thing about it is that apple has cut their profit margin to compete with android.
Oh, I see you have the N900 model without the sarcasm detector. Shame.
That's OK. iPad is still in the rapid growth phase.
Really? You think so?
https://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:AAPL
A big yawn there.
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I already have that - the Asus Transformer Prime.
"excuse me here, but i thought a retina display implied ~300dpi this one falls a fair bit short of the mark if i'm not mistaken so once again apple marketing triumphs over al"l
264 dpi, 2048x1536 in 10 inches... maybe your complaint is about some imagined deficiency, but if you'd care to explain how this is actually a failure, I'd love to hear it. Are you actually complaining that if you freeze frame and squint really hard from two inches away you can actually make out... (gasp)... pixels? Because you couldn't make them out at normal viewing distance.
In other words, tell me how your post isn't just a knee-jerk, pointless, anti-apple jab with no redeeming value.
Wow. Did I accidentally log in to the Apple site again?
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
You can easily get two laptops for the price of one iPad.
The Average CEO salary has gone up, so inflation is hitting where it hurts. Won't someone please think of the innocent 1%?
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Just what I'm looking for -- a distribution professional to do my PR.
Sony ha
And now you have 150+ employees who get less work done than ever before.
"get Android to run on it,"
Forget android!! I want to see FreeBSD/Plan9/Inferno on it.
Let's see...what apps did Apple cover in the keynote? Autodesk Sketchbook, GarageBand, iMovie, iPhoto, the iWork suite and a couple games. Yeah, no content creation at all.
It doesn't surprise me that you were modded up, as Slashdot is full of geeks that spend their lives in front of keyboards. However, it might surprise you to discover that the world managed to create a great many things before keyboards were ever invented. It's hardly a requirement for creativity, and in many tasks is even a hindrance.
Demanding that the iPad come with a built-in keyboard to suit your needs is like musicians demanding the iPad come with guitar strings or artists demanding it come with stylus support and a set of digitizer pens. The iPad is generic. If you have specific needs, buy a damn accessory.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
Which means you'll be able to exceed your monthly cap in 24 seconds.
Ummm, an iPad in a cover with a built in bluetooth keyboard, how is that different from say a netbook at 1/3 the cost?
It does not matter what he thinks or what you think.
What matters is the 500 people waiting at the door think that it is the best choice they can make.
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
>Cthulhu / Dagon 2012 Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
Damn! I've been supporting Nyarlathotep for Vice President. Looks like I missed the party convention. Where was it?
Some mornings it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints to get out of bed.
Yes, but then you'd have to carry around two laptops.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
Then you're unusual. Despite many different models of Android tablet, few people are buying them. They're buying iPads. And not because of resolution either - until today iPad wasn't the one with the highest resolution.
AP is reporting that the new iPad's name is simply "iPad". It's not iPad 3 or iPad HD, it's simply "iPad".
Wonder how the retailers are going to assure their customers that "iPad" is better and newer than "iPad 2"?
My Droid X has an 8.0 megapixel camera... Wow!
Megapixels, btw, is a stupid metric. My old Canon digital camera has 5.4 megapixels and takes a picture leagues above my phone. Why? Long answer: optics and physics; short answer: my camera is designed to be a camera, and my phone is just, basically, a pinhole camera. Actually increasing megapixels after a certain limit, while not increasing sensor size, actually degrades image quality. Which is why DSLRs are probably going to be moving past their current sensor size (APS-C, mostly) in the next couple of years.
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You are entitled to your opinions however you can't dispute facts. And the facts are the PlayBook was missing many features at launch. It does not have a great library of apps. Please discuss which of these are untrue. Also please list which specs of the PlayBook were superior to the iPad.
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That's OK- I have two laps.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
You can already get 28"+ monitors at that resolution, have been able to for years. What really excites me is quad HD for TV. 3840 x 2160.
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There is no such thing as too many pixels.
But I bet they feel more prestigious.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
But is that proof that those are desirable jobs? Hoe many of those people don't know what working there is like. Or they might hear stories, but they think they're stronger and can handle it better than others. Or current workers there tell them it's great a) to have company or b) because there is some incentive program for them to do so, or another impetus from the employer.
Not saying any of the above exists, just saying that the applicant numbers shouldn't be the sole metric used.
Thanks Apple, maybe now you'll push the monitor and tv makers to go over 1080 vertical resolution.
You can type on an iPad- just not as easily. But yes; Most people DO content creation- not all people program- but just about every desktop has Office (or an equivalent)- and that is content creation too.
There are some things a tablet is more usefull for- and somethings a desktop is more usefull for. If I had to pick one or the other- I'd pick a desktop. I don't feel the need for a tablet yet- but if I won one/was given one, etc- I'd be very happy.
I'd probably still use the desktop more- but a tablet could be fun.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
That would be the same people who don't give numbers to their laptops. It seems to be working for them.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
It has the Apple Logo on it! That's well worth the extra cost.
Well, except those people who need to haul stuff around, or tow things..boats are big down here for example.
Me?
I don't need one...2 seater sports car for me.
But I'm damned glad I have friends with trucks, Jeeps, etc...I trade keys with them, to borrow them when I need to move stuff around, or buy something that can't fit in my car, from a place that won't deliver.
All the SUV's out there? Likely as not...not needed that much, especially the ones driven around town by one woman, talking on the phone...'measuring' the lanes from side to side as they talk and try to drive.
But for people moving things around a lot, and with boats, or need to move 4 wheelers and the like (fishing and hunting camps)...sure, there is a need for them, especially pickup trucks.
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I missed that product announcement.
(do I get one too)
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Why do all notebook displays suck in dpi?
Because so many applications suck in DPI. Vertical market applications may not have been tested at any DPI other than the Windows default of 96. So if you set your window system's DPI so that text remains readable, your applications are likely to become ugly at best or unusable at worst. This has caused a lack of demand for laptop-sized high-DPI panels.
Alright, so count me as a doubter that didn't think they'd pull out the super hi-res screen and keep it at the same price. So all of a sudden Apple comes out of nowhere with screen resolution that leapfrogs everything out there, including pretty much all of the LCD desktop monitors that I've used. So where is everyone else with super hi-res screens on commodity LCD monitors, laptops, etc.? Let alone Android tablets? When and where will we see those?
That's just crazy talk.
EVERYBODY wants an American Girl doll.
This coming from a guy named "Americano". Hardly surprising.
If I mod you up, it doesn't necessarily mean I agree with what you've said, sorry.
Available apps, 3G connection, touch interface, weight. Also you don't have to use the keyboard, it's just there in case you happen to have a need to enter a large amount of text. They're probably not used very often but since they cost about the same as a month of data service it was a very small part of the TCO calculation and potentially added a large amount of value.
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There are plenty of keyboards available for the iPad. Big ones small one rubber ones, plastic.... Just a google search away.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
You're flipping it. It's actually the Apple hipsters who think like that. As evidence, ask many iPhone people about comparing their tiny phones to the latest generation 4.3"/4.5" display Android phones, and they'll tell you it's "too big".
As soon as apple has a display with a large screen, it'll be all wavy gravy.
You will be pressed to find a laptop the performs as well as an iPad at the $200 range. Even the $600 laptop for a decent net-book doesn't have all the same bells and whistles.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
you can take pictures on your phone but you will be careful due to the the data charges. sitting on the beach you will probably have an ipad in your hands reading a book or watching a movie and not an iphone
All the major OSes today support that res and higher.
I understand this. But for one thing, a lot of end users don't know how to set the window system's DPI, and for another, a lot of obscure yet business-critical applications have never been optimized for high DPI displays. Please see my other comment.
I *want* things to be clear at 1/4th the size onscreen!
Senior citizens with failing eyesight would find such small text unreadable.
No, but I don't log into Apple's website to say that I don't want their stuff. I do, however, send requests for vehicles with clean diesel engines to be sold by my local Ford, GM, Mazda and Toyota dealers in the US. I think maybe if they hear that there's consumer demand I might be able to get one at some point. It's just a consumer saying "Hey guys, this new thing is neat, but it'd be really nice if it had xyz widget. In fact, once it has xyz widget, I'll buy it."
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Err...Netflix? I get blurays from them, and they work out great!!
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
for everyone to sell their old iPad! My biggest pet peeve, it's the most expensive "disposable" personal electronic device. It seems like it's embarrassing to be seen with the not-quite-latest version
Indeed it is! Everybody must sell their old iPad for cheap! To penny-pinching bastards like myself, who would like an iPad to play with, but can't justify handing over $500+ for one...
Anyone know the best place to get a good deal on a used-but-still-working-reliably iPad?
Apple wants everybody to buy a new iPad but doesn't really want them to sell their old iPad for cheap. If the market is flooded with used iPads, the used iPad price will drop. When that happens, it will be harder for Apple to sell new iPads at the current price. Why buy a new iPad 3 for $600 when I can buy a used iPad 2 for $200?
While some people will sell their old iPads to buy an iPad 3, then when Apple releases the iPad 4, they won't have to worry about competing against android or microsoft tablets, the stiff competition will be their own used products.
yes, we need EVERYONE to be content creators. because if there's one thing i learned from teaching guitar lessons for 5 years, EVERYONE is a rockstar.
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Why would somebody with a smartphone *not* carry it with them? And if they're not carrying it, what's the odds that they'd carry a tablet in that same situation?
Meh, farming is soooo passé. All the cool kids today are eating the food farmed by others. There are producers and consumers - what's so insightful about it?
How many people go to foreign countries for family functions?
I'd have to guess that would be a very , very tiny niche market? Don't most people in the world, live in the same country as the majority of their family?
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Trackpoint is owned by IBM, so you'll never see that.
It's owned by Lexmark and used on Lenovo laptops, but both Lexmark and Lenovo have historic ties to IBM. U.S. Patent 5,521,596 expires in May of next year though.
Hmm...I'd guess anyone that would drop some serious cash to get a DSLR, would likely be invested and interested enough to carry it around with them...especially on vacations, where people often see new sites and take lots of pictures.
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Well sure, but if they made Gazzonyx dolls, I'm sure we'd all want one of those, too.
For whatever reason, the PowerVR mobile GPUs are described in number of cores.
Well there's a technical reason. To go back to the grand parent:
You talk about them in terms of shaders, ROPs, TMUs and so on.
These are organised in a module. The various different models in a range a distinguished by the number of such modules. (That's what the number of "Streming Multiprocessor" is in tables of GeForce cards).
Either by product binning: the factory makes GPU with 8 such modules, then test how many of these are actually usable and how many have defects and then activate between 1 and 7 of them and sells them as a different product in the same range. From "GPU Destructor 990 XL-Deluxe Elite" (with 7 of the 8 core activated - and needs 3 12v connectors) down to "GPU Destructor 120 Light Laptop Edition (only 1 usable core, but sips only 30 Watts). (And some time less core are activated than actually usable due to demand and offer economic laws, leading to users who try to unlock core and convert one card to the next one in the series simply by flashing a new firmware - a classic with some GeForce series).
Or by producing variants: Desktop range a based on a 8-module design, Laptop range have a 4 module design at a finer process, so it uses a lot less energy.
(I know some ATI/AMD GPUs are organised so).
In the case of PowerVR, from what I remember, GPUs were designed to be able to work in parallel (I think: each GPU taking care of a different tile of the deferred tile-based rendering). So it's very likely that maket speak "4 core GPU" means "4 modules" which in fact is "4 powerVRs working in parallel" (for a speed increase approaching 4x).
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Should have put those sarcasm tags. Was thinking of all the people saying no one needs a pickup or an SUV a while back, and that everyone should take public transportation.
No pun intended, but it'd make a great thin client alternative to a laptop.
Err, where's the unintended pun? It's too subtle for me.
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I have a desktop and a laptop to do "real" computing on.
But how long until the iPad becomes so deceptively capable that people buy it as their only computer?
There's some truth to the 'screwed' developers comment, but nobody is forcing the developers to make apps for them. Really. And I'm not sure why "curated computing" is the worst thing ever... It almost sounds like computing is a religion or something. Same argument can be said that GUI 'curated' computing as well. You expect everyone to use a UNIX prompt or something?
Let's see...what apps did Apple cover in the keynote? Autodesk Sketchbook, GarageBand, iMovie, iPhoto, the iWork suite and a couple games. Yeah, no content creation at all.
Sure, and there are a few people who even purchase these devices (tablets in general, not just iPads) that actually use them as creation tools. The rest (read: vast majority) just have a shiny expensive gadget that lets them browse the web and watch videos on yet another device.
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In that case a 40" 1080p HDTV must also be a retina display. Just sit far enough from it.
oh wait the stupid osx can't handle the resolution on a display so small.
there's a reason they go doubling the res, it's so that it's easy to scale the apps. they'll even rather do that than take the hard decision to bring not so nice upwards/downwards compatibility to app developers. but why can't the bastards give me selective doubling on osx and a decent screen on a macbook?
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Available apps, 3G connection, touch interface, weight. Also you don't have to use the keyboard, it's just there in case you happen to have a need to enter a large amount of text. They're probably not used very often but since they cost about the same as a month of data service it was a very small part of the TCO calculation and potentially added a large amount of value.
Weight of the iPad, the case and the built in keyboard for the case probably isn't significantly different than an Asus eeepc. 3G is available on netbooks, so that isn't an issue, either. Same with the thickness. Touch interface would be nice, though. As for apps, I would doubt that the iPad or even Android have more, truly usable apps than either Windows or Linux.
So ignoring, the cost of 3G service, which would be the same regardless, paying $600+ for iPad/case/keyboard combos versus $250 for the netbook makes good business sense how?
The number mentioned was 150 units, so that comes out to be a difference of $52,500. The difference is greater than the purchase price of the same quantity of netbooks. I am not trying to troll or anything, I'm just trying to see the logic behind such decision.
I might be surprised, if they weren't the sort of thing that everybody wants, you mean!
Or at least a better one...
IMHO, the soft keyboard on the iPad is it's absolute worst feature. It is the primary reason why I take my Transformer home with me at night, while leaving the iPad 2 in my desk drawer.
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Bascially the pixels are so small you cannot easily distinguish one from another. Makes it look a lot more sharp then previous models.
What makes a display looks sharp is the number of pixels, not the size of them. Take a given 100 mega pixel picture. Display it full screen on a 60" 1080p TV or on an iPhone 4.
It will looks sharper on the TV, because it has more pixels. Of course, you will probably be a lot closer to the iPhone.
Older iPhones looked like crap because they had only 320x480 pixels.
First, good luck getting a decently powered Netbook at 1/3 of the cost.
Now, as for the differences:
1. It runs iOS
2. It has the App Store
3. It is lighter and thinner
4. It has better battery life
For many, probably most, users none of those will matter much. Such users are most likely better off with a Netbook (or inexpensive laptop). Users that depend on Windows applications will almost certainly be better off with a laptop.
But, in some cases, it does make sense, especially in vertical markets.
I have a feeling that is what will eventually happen. I don't think Apple will be the ones to finish it. I have a feeling that we will eventually have some type of Star Trek AI on them.
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Adobe has ceased development for mobile Flash... Clearly a win for Android...
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I don't know but they are hipsters, I'm sure they'll come up with something. Mega douching up the place is their forte. But starbucks... rolls eyes and sigh... they're hipsters, they get their beverage you haven't heard of at a place you wouldn't be familiar with. Only the most post modern retro Ironic hispters would drink a. ..late at starbuks.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
That's just crazy talk.
EVERYBODY wants an American Girl doll.
When my daughter was little, it sure seemed that way...
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My asus eeePC performs very similar to my iPad2. Obviously, there are different applications, etc. But, browsing the web and checking email on one is not that different than the other. The eeePC was purchased new for $250. Of course, with the eeePC, I can also do word processing, spreadsheets, presentations and other business tasks.
Deficits for the eeePC is 1024x600 resolution, but that isn't a show stopper. Lack of touch screen is not, maybe, because I like to eat snacks while working on both, but potato chips really are a bad idea with an iPad.
Don't get me wrong, an iPad is great for simple consumption of web information. It just seems that a netbook is almost as good (if not as good) for the same task plus you can do a lot more business related tasks with it.
The Verge reports that it's a feature of iTunes 10.6, which also released today.
You can easily get two laptops for the price of one iPad.
Heck, in terms of mass - with those two $250 laptops you're getting 10-20x the value in kilograms/dollar!
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So, it has a much higher screen resolution for viewing photos and video, but still no more storage space than the iPad 2 (up to 64 GB). Does it really make sense to still limit the device to 64 GB, given the unavoidable increase in the file sizes it'll be handling?
I understand that there's an industry push to make everything "cloud-y", and streamed (all the better to prevent people actually owning copies of files), but it does make me wonder if the iPad 7 will actually only have enough internal storage space for a single photo...
This is ridiculous. Someone in the computer monitor business should get his ass kicked.
My 24" monitor has a resolution of 1920x1200 and even that was difficult to find - most were only 1920x1080 (a.k.a Full HD).
How come a puny tablet has more pixels than a 24" monitor and no one is doing anything about it?!
No, the 4:3 aspect ratio is not going to return, and for good reason: a monitor with 4:3 ratio has 12% more screen area than the same diagonally sized monitor that has a 16:9 ratio. To put it in other terms, a 21" monitor with 16:9 ratio has less screen area than a 20" monitor with a 4:3 ratio. That translates into cheaper manufacturing, less screen material to use for more diagonal size.
Sure, you rather have a 4:3 monitor and maybe you're willing to pay a bit extra... but here's what the advertising looks like:
21" wide-screen monitor for $188.44
20" monitor for $192.00
Which one are you going to choose? Which one do you think the average Joe going to choose?
note: my example prices are based on exactly $1 per square inch.
What's the point of a back camera on a tablet, anyway? It's very bulky to be conveniently used to take photos - that's what a smartphone is for.
I spent about a year with a first generation iPad as my primary computing device. I'd purchased a blue tooth keyboard and it worked fine for what I needed it to do, most write term papers.
What I found is that it was a royal pain to switch back and forth between my text editor and my web browser (or PDF viewer). This was the largest draw back for me.
I also found Mobile Safari to be less than stellar. Now that I've switched to a Mac Book Air, I tend to have 20 to 30 Chrome tabs open at once. Good luck with that on Mobile Safari. And, worse, it would tend to refresh the page and lose its position when I switched to the text editor and then back. That makes it difficult to write term papers.
Lastly, my preferred text editing solution (LaTeX) was unavailable (and will always be unavailable) for iOS. This meant that I'd have to borrow my kids computer for a half hour to an hour to finish up my term papers. In the grand scheme of writing 10 or 15 thousand words from start to finish, that's not so bad.
I still miss the iPad. Gestures on the touch screen were a thing of brilliance. Lion makes up for some of that with the track pad. But it just isn't the same. I also miss the battery life and the ability to take it somewhere without the keyboard.
For many people, an iPad is probably all the computer they really need. For me, not so much. But the hardware limitations weren't what I bumping into. The problem was policy. Apple does not want apps that can run turing machines. LaTeX with its macro language is right out. Apple hasn't made a way to task switch back and forth between programs in an intuitive fashion. Maybe by the time it comes to replace my Mac Book, they'll finally be there. They aren't there yet.
You're holding them wrong.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
First, good luck getting a decently powered Netbook at 1/3 of the cost.
Now, as for the differences:
1. It runs iOS
2. It has the App Store
3. It is lighter and thinner
4. It has better battery life
For many, probably most, users none of those will matter much. Such users are most likely better off with a Netbook (or inexpensive laptop). Users that depend on Windows applications will almost certainly be better off with a laptop.
But, in some cases, it does make sense, especially in vertical markets.
1. It is true that iOS is not available on a netbook, but what good is iOS other than the platform to run other Apple apps on?
2. Android has it's app store and Ubuntu has their repository -- all of them have 10s of thousands of apps some useful, many not.
3. The iPad is, but the original poster stated that they purchased the iPad plus a case with a built in bluetooth keyboard. That negates the thinner and lighter.
4. My Asus eeePC ($250) gets 9hours battery life, which is less than my iPad2, but then again, I can always slap in a spare battery if traveling and there isn't AC available.
I'm not saying to not buy an iPad, I was just questioning the business decision to buy 150 of them with case and keyboard for significantly more cost.
It still costs more than a laptop and does less than a laptop.
I find being offended by me offensive.
Like others have mentioned, the ipad will work with a bluetooth keyboard just fine. What I want is an ipad running a full version of OSX, not iOS.
Why would you buy a device where (apparently) the camera is a major piece of functionality that you need and not read up on the camera specs before buying it?
On top of that, if a camera is important to you, why would you consider the pinhole lens cameras available on phones and tablets to be acceptable *at all*?
It's tough to have any sympathy for someone who can't at least do a trivial review of a device's hardware specs and then having sour grapes over something they purchased while not knowing its full capabilities/limitations.
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sitting on the beach you will probably have an ipad in your hands reading a book
I assume that in your fantasy vision, it's a cloudy day? The iPad fails at visibility in bright sunlight. For reading in sunlight an eInk Kindle, Nook, etc. are going to be infinitely better -- almost as good as (gasp!) an actual book!
or watching a movie
Why even go to the beach if you're just going to watch a movie?
Besides, if you want to watch a movie, why would anyone pick a tablet? If you pick a tablet, why watch outside where you can barely see the display? Why additionally choose an environment that is decidedly hostile to electronics?
Have you ever been to the beach? For that matter, have you ever been outside?
you can take pictures on your phone but you will be careful due to the the data charges.
What? I can take as many pictures as my sd card will hold and not incur any data charges.
Seriously, a dedicated camera makes WAY more sense for a beach vacation than an tablet or mobile phone.
Also, if you're vacationing with your family put down the damn computer screen. Your wife and children will appreciate it greatly.
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GUIs left people free to run whatever apps they want. That has nothing to do with curated computing:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/05/curated-computing-whats-next-for-devices-in-a-post-ipad-world.ars
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So far you haven't given a single coherent argument for why Playbook is better than iPad, except for "I hate almost everything apple".
Just imagine if they had shitty third rate execs who only got $90 million in bonuses.
They might have to pay the workers 40 cents an hour! The sky would fall in.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
You can get several more "ladies of the night" to sit on your lap for the price of one iPad.
Well apart from the fact that they're fully at the mercy of Apple's whims and are destroying their own career prospects and the future of user choice by producing apps for a walled garden, they aren't making much money.
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Bluetooth keyboards work just fine with iPods. Next excuse?
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There are already a bunch of Android tablets announced with 1080p screens, starting with Asus TF700. They are probably not aiming higher than 1080p because Android apps can generally adjust pretty well to screen of a different size and proportions.
...or with any iOS device for that matter
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I dodged that bullet. My mom got my daughter and american doll with matching pony. My daughter could car less, but that wouldn't be very likely.
OTOH, she loves her model rocket, and is looking forward to this summers robot building project.
so, what I am saying is.. I Win.
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Seriously, you're pulling out Hitler to win an argument? Way to Godwin's Law it after just two posts.
As for the PlayBook itself, what makes it good in your mind? RIM is known for its e-mail system. It's been the biggest selling point on their BlackBerry devices for years. The PlayBook was missing any sort of legitimate integration with the BlackBerry e-mail system until just last month (almost a full year after launch). That's inexcusable. Similarly, it was missing a calendar app. Why, I have no clue, since that's so basic and so necessary that it should have been at the very top of their list of included apps.
Worse than all of those though, it has no cohesive way to develop for it. For instance, they've promised BlackBerry Java support, but have yet to deliver it. Android support was finally added last month (again, almost a year after launch), but only for Android 2.3 apps, and only if the developer repackages it specifically for the Playbook (how's that been going so far?). No word on support for Android 3.x or 4.x apps. They also support Adobe AIR apps, which is pretty much a hail mary attempt to say that their checklist is bigger than the other guys' checklist, since almost no one cares about Adobe AIR support on a tablet. Perhaps most importantly, they do support C/C++ apps, but judging by the fact that they have only a hair over 10,000 apps in total (counting all of these languages) a year after launch, I'm guessing there hasn't been much interest.
The entire thing has been a massive debacle in terms of design, engineering, and marketing. I have serious, serious trouble taking anyone serious if they actually advocate that the PlayBook was a good device. There's a reason the co-CEOs who founded the company stepped down a few months ago, and it's not because the PlayBook is a success.
There have been other like Sharp demoing high res screens. But that one appeared to be a prototype that was a long time away. I speculate the main reason you haven't heard is that Apple secured these displays a long time ago and have been working on getting them manufactured without all the PR as the company(s) behind them didn't need PR for customers as they were already bought.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
Lets break it down:
"Amen."
You can het a keyboard for it.
". I'm a long time Apple fan "
Ah, the old argument from authority.
"- ran UNIX on my Mac II back in '89 and ever since"
Pointless an irrelevant dick waving.
" I dunno why one would need a tablet."
OK, there are only 100s of place you can look and see where it fits a niche laptop don't. I am NOT saying you should get one, I am saying you are an ignorant myopic person who uses their ignorance to make yourself feel like you have a big dick.
" I don't see the point"
Are you stupid. Tell me, what is the point of a TV?
" I don't see the point of iPhones either"
Again, I think you might be mentally slow. Phone, music, contacts, camera in one package. Same as any smart phone.
" What I'd really like to see is an Apple-branded cell phone jammer."
so you are a dumb*, and egotistical to think everyone around you needs to conform to your perceptions. Which is typical of the truly stupid.
I mean, do we need any more evidence the n that last line to show how you think about other people?
*literally, you are stupid. Not many peopel are actually stupid, so congrats.
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Awaiting the usual "fuck everything, we're going to 5G" comment.
The iPad fails at visibility in bright sunlight.
I've read on the iPad 2 out in the sun. You can see it just fine.
The new display is even brighter.
And none of the devices you listed are NEARLY as good now for reading. They simply do not have the combination of DPI and color, which (the DPI in particular) makes reading WAY nicer.
Seriously, a dedicated camera makes WAY more sense for a beach vacation than an tablet or mobile phone.
I agree with that, over a tablet.
The iPhone 4s though would happily replace a normal compact camera for me. It's more than good enough for that use and there are a TON of third party things like waterproof cases.
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You wouldn't have to sit that far from it for it to qualify. Whether or not you could use the term would largely depend on whether or not Apple has trademarked the phrase.
20/20 vision is commonly accepted as the ability to distinguish between two patterns or objects that are separated by a 1 arcminute (1/60th of 1 degree) visual angle. Anything closer together than that, and - so Apple claims - the average human eye would be unable to distinguish between the two objects. Thus the closer the device is to the eye, the closer together the pixels must be in order to be less than one arcminute apart, and thus indistinguishable as two separate objects at that viewing distance.
Assuming a 1920x1080 resolution on a 40" display, the minimum viewing distance to get the "retina" effect would be about 62 inches - at the low end of "recommended" viewing distances for a 40" display by most manufacturers (viewing distance recommendations seem to range between 5 and 15 feet for displays of this size).
You can play with numbers and resolutions here: http://bhtooefr.org/displaycalc.htm
There would be exactly one sold and my girlfriend would own it. :D
If I mod you up, it doesn't necessarily mean I agree with what you've said, sorry.
The 4.3"/4.5" displays aren't considered "too big" because of their resolution. They're considered too big because few people want something that big in their pocket or purse. That may seem like a silly fashion-based decision, but there is something to say about a device that slips easily in and out of your pocket and doesn't create an unsightly bulge.
Context. If you keep what they are talking about in context, it's a perfectly fine metric.
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forget FreeBSD/Plan9/Inferno on it. I want to see iOS.
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How about they had executives who didn't bother paying them 0.35 but instead paid them 0.25.
Who the hell are you to second guess business decisions that you have nothing to do with?
Open your own company and start your own manufacturing and pay what you want.
You can't handle the truth.
Apple sells 62% of all the tables sold. So, no, not 'everyone is buying iPads. The majority? sure.
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May I remind you that Scotty wasn't able to input the formula for transparent aluminum until he was offered a keyboard. Do you really want to own a computing device on which transparent aluminum cannot be created?
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What kind of laptop can you get for $250?
1280 pixels is the sweet spot for browsing
It is silly to think in terms like that for browsing.
On a smaller screen the increase in pixel density is very useful, because you are mostly looking at fairly scaled down web pages. The text can render readably even down to as small as five points or so, which makes the whole browser more usable because you spend less time zooming in and out to read.
The iPhone4 screen has been fantastic for reading, I am REALLY looking forward to this newer high DPI screen for reading all kinds of things, browsing among them.
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Foxconn starting salary is $1.73 an hour. Cook's bonus was $384 million (at the stock price at the time it was awarded).
For example, many insurance agents, coaches, doctors and pilots are moving to iPads because of vertical apps that make their professions easier.
If one doesn't fall into a profession where that is true, don't buy an iPad.
(And the various Android market places really do not compare to the Apple app store nor do the cases with blue tooth keyboards make an iPad thicker than most net books. But, to be fair, sometimes those Android market places do have apps that aren't on the iPad. But see the first two sentences of this post.)
with 4G LTE, the new iPad will provide up to 73 Mbps download speeds
So that means you can go through your "generous" and expensive 1 GB dataplan in 112 seconds or slightly under 2 minutes then.
Or less than 30 seconds with cheaper plans that allow maybe 250 MB/month.
Recent datalimits feel like it's still 1995 or something. Only without a cable attached.
Every expression is true, for a given value of 'true'
so the obvious choice is - The iPad Maxi !
That was a funny joke before there were a large number of 7" Android Phablets produced...
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Let me make sure that I fully understand what you are saying: before the iPad existed, there were devices that did everything that the iPad does, but did it better. Then the iPad came out. Now consumers had two choices - the netbooks or the iPad. People stopped buying the netbooks and instead bought the iPad.
Somehow, out of this set of events, you are determining the following:
1. People would rather have netbooks than iPads
2. People find netbooks to be more usable than iPads.
3. Somehow the consumer lost.
Maybe you should consider that there is something about the iPad that people actually prefer to the netbooks.
I'm sure Apple could get Android to run on it. Therefore you should buy it.
But I guess you really meant that you'd like to be able to run Android on it yourself. Good luck with that.
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I think that my use-cases for iPad as a camera are quite contrived. Maybe I'm reading out in public when something record-worthy starts happening, so instead of having to pull out my phone, I just switch apps. Or I know ahead of time that I'm going to want to do editing directly on the iPad, so I just record on it from the beginning. Otherwise, I would probably never use the iPad as a camera intentionally, preferring my iPhone or a dedi.
The iPhone camera is good enough to completely replace my point-and-shoot, though. It's worse quality, but not much, and there's great convenience in only having to carry the one device. If the iPad camera is similar, I guess I could see some people choosing to use it over a point-and-shoot, but only if they are trying to cut down on what they have to lug around and they want the iPad for other reasons.
"the best version" is highly subjective.
What we never hear about are the things that other tablets do that the iPad doesn't do, or does poorly.
You'll find a variety of Android tablets that have features like USB, SD cards, and HDMI out that many users find essential to their workflow. Other tablets like the PlayBook have near (better, in some cases) desktop quality web-browsing and real multitasking with a UI that makes it easy for users to take advantage of those features.
Let's not forget that Android and QNX allow the user access to a real file system -- which we can all agree is a good thing.
Bridge (between a BlackBerry smartphone and the PlayBook) also offers some clever and useful features that aren't simply possible with an iPad and iPhone pair. (Access to files on the phone, remote control, "open on tablet" for attachments, links, other files, and a host of other features.)
When I look at the iPad and compare it to other tablets on the market, the iPad looks like the "bare-bones" model -- the automobile without any options, if you need a car analogy. Sure it does a few things better than other tablets, but there are many things that other tablets do better -- sometimes significantly so.
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Look, the business didn't even blink at the cost of the ipads or the data plans. They LIKE the ipad. We've developed a mobile paperless presentation system using off the shelf components that are only available for the ipad (for now, the developer is talking about an Android build but isn't sure the work will be justified since most of the companies looking in this space jumped on ipads just like we did) that has saved us a ton of money on printed marketing materials and which gives us access to up to the minute information. I'm not saying it would be impossible to do a similar thing with netbooks but since the ipad is easy enough for a C level person to use and light enough for them to carry that's what got the dollars.
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Rather than having a case with a built-in keyboard, it may make sense for users to have a bluetooth keyboard at their desks. Then they can use the keyboard at their desks and grab just the iPad when going mobile for meetings, et cetera.
It seems to me that such would be great for insurance agents with a vertical app installed. They could use the iPad at the site of the insured to take pictures and complete the form but they wouldn't be bogged down by the additional weight of the keyboard.
It's expensive though. Eurocom has one model with an option for a 1920x1200 screen, and of course there's the 17" macbook pro.
Personally, I want a 24" monitor with the dpi of the ipad3.
> The iPhone camera is good enough to completely replace my point-and-shoot, though. It's worse quality, but not much, and there's great convenience in only having to carry the one device.
"It's worse quality" is a good enough reasons to carry a dedicated camera, as is being able to point and click a dedicated button rather than change apps, wait for the app to load, and then visually target a virtual shutter button. But I have a use case that no phone camera has been able to match so far.
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Dude,
Don't drink and post as it seems to affect your spelling.
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Why would you talk about smartphones vs tablets when the point was DSLR's vs tablets?
Paying $600+ for iPad/case/keyboard combos versus $250 for the netbook makes good business sense how?
The iPad is a lot more usable than a netbook, because iPad software is tailored to the device.
Using a Netbook means you are generally running software that usually was built targeting a much more powerful system - yes it runs, but not well.
The iPad is also more durable and has a much better resale value. It makes no sense to me to spend $250 per year on a netbook when an iPad will last for three and you can sell it for $200 when you upgrade.
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Consult a lower post where I compared them spec for spec also please note I did mention how the Apple user experience is horrible, which it is!
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.... Not everyone lives in the US? Some people live in countries where blockbuster is failing too so it can't work out for them!!
Errr
Perhaps the GP also lives in a country without Netflix
If I was witty I'd put something funny here but, as it stands, I am not and have just wasted seconds of your life
Likewise, you will be hard pressed to find an iPad at the $200 range.
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Yes if you consider Steve Jobs like Hitler which isn't a far extraction, he did mention how he wants to destroy an entire Operating System because he just didn't like it :-).
The Playbook had mail apps from the start, if you find it completely bothersome to have to click two or three icons to read your mail then no one can really help you. If you sync'd the Playbook with your blackberry you got mail and calender support, what did you get if you sync'd an iPhone with the iPad? The Playbook has better initial codec support on the device, it has better video quality supporting HDMI, it has flash support. The Playbook has HDMI out which is something the iPad can't say for itself, the Playbook is a reasonable size and not the size of a small TV ( iPad ). The Playbook is lighter ( which all apple fans should love ), I think that little list speaks up for the Playbook, I've used for an iPad and Playbook and right now I only use a Playbook because it's the only device which really delivers on what a user wants a tablet to do.
But it's roughly the same as my camera phone. I don't get the point of having a rear-facing camera on the ipad. For the price of the components, it's fine. The camera is so cheap they may as well have it. I just don't know why I'd ever use it. I'd much rather have a good front-facing camera for HD video chat. The ipad 2 vs iPad New comparison I saw on engadget showed them both as having the same resolution VGA cameras on the front. I suppose a 4:3 resolution makes sense for the ipad's front facing camera.. but that low resolution is a little painful. Maybe it's a higher-quality part that is simply scaled down to work nicely over a 3G/LTE-based connection? I suppose most consumer broadband has pretty low upload rates as well. But even so, it seems a shame it doesn't scale up to higher quality levels.
Comparing spec by spec is pretty pointless except for a few highly visible things (like pixel density or camera quality) - it doesn't matter if one has 512Mb RAM and the other has 1Gb, what matters is what can actually be done with that much RAM, and how smooth it all works. And, in practice, iPad seems to be offering a lot in "getting things done" department, whatever its specs.
Comparing weight and screen is pointless for devices of two different form factors. Of course a 7" tablet is going to weight less than a 10" one! But, personally, I would never consider a 7" device - for pocketability I already have my smartphone, and for a tablet I want something decently sized. Granted, this is subjective - but so is that entire argument, because it basically boils down to whether 7" or 10" is better.
The argument from usability is valid, but subjective. I don't much like iOS myself, preferring Android (ICS for tablets), but a lot of people seem to swear by it despite having tried alternatives.
So the only meaningful objective argument left is Flash support. Which is not really all that important for many people - I appreciate having it on my ICS tablet for those rare cases where I come across something that needs it, but in practice I've found that to be very rare.
Keyboard support on the iPad is just fine.
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There's the fact that this was the worst point in your crappy post. Apple makes a tiny profit off the App Store but they treat it as a loss leader. Most of the money goes first to developers, then to credit card companies, then to store maintenance, then a tiny profit left over for them.
But, Apple Haterz gotta Hate. By any means necessary.
It's not appreciably longer for me to pull out my phone and enable the camera than to pull out the camera and turn it on. The camera takes slightly longer to load than the iPhone app (from lockscreen). The volume up button now clicks the shutter.
The quality issue is going to be very subjective. I'm not trying to sell you on an iPhone--just explaining my own uses and comparisons.
There are waterproof cases for the phone, and my point-and-shoot isn't waterproof. Today, there's little reason for me to go back to my dedi. If I were going to consider buying a new one, it would be a hard choice. The cost would be fairly high for fairly little gain.
Ummm, an iPad in a cover with a built in bluetooth keyboard, how is that different from say a netbook at 1/3 the cost?
iPads will still be around next year?
Sure, for $50,000, and you have to call Sony so that their representative can explain to you why your hospital needs their specialist displays for viewing medical X-Rays.
Ooohh... you meant consumer displays at a reasonable price? Then no, no you can't. I've checked.
No, you missed the point.
It's the distance the average user uses it at. Not, any distance qualifies.
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I would bet few iPads and large percentage of iphones aren't disposed of. Giving my iPad 1 to my girlfriend when I get my iPad 3. Have given away 2 old iPhones still in use in my family. Because of the strong OS upgrade commitment and the quality, these devices last through multiple users. Much unlike my small but useless collection of old windows laptops, windows mobile phones and a couple of androids. Got 2 great years out of my $499 ipad, don't see any reason it won't be used for 2 more at least.
The guy deciding wants a free iPad.
The Grey Goo disaster happened 3 billion years ago. This rock is covered in self replicating machines!
That sounds about right to me - and I'm going to say the 3 is probably that good enough plateau.
Since I can't tell them apart, I treat all ACs as the same person.
but if one has a laptop, I dunno why one would need a tablet. I don't see the point.
I own an iPad because my company has been developing for it.
Before I got an iPad I didn't really see the use, other than it has some cool games (touch screen or that use the accelerometer) My boss pointed out that we likes to sit on the couch watching tv, and uses his iPhone to check emails. The iPad makes that experience better.
Laptops are heavy. They are after you lug them through an airport for hours. An iPad is light. It is a great device to use to check email and surf the web, as long as you don't need to use the keyboard much. I think it makes a great device for short trips.
Tablets in general work much better in meetings, as you can lay them on the table and you don't create a barrier between you and everyone else.
I still wouldn't have purchased one, if I wasn't working on it. My laptop works just fine for me. But a laptop is more than what a lot of people need, and the iPad fills the void decently. It is a little expensive for what it is, but that's Apple.
Did I mention some of the cool games?
that's what a smartphone is for
Or... you know... a camera.
Or am I too old-fashioned?
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If people love it, sounds like it should be, "Final Score: Apple 1, Consumers 1."
Just because the mass market hasn't embraced YOUR preferred solution doesn't mean the solution they have embraced is bad. It means that your needs (and thus the best solutions for YOU) are not the same as those of the wider market.
Given that you're here on Slashdot, it's not particularly surprising that you'd have different needs and wants in your computer gear than the average computer user. Those tablets are still available, those netbooks are still available. Don't buy an iPad if it's not right for you.
I didn't notice any missing features at launch. I had email, contacts, calendar, etc. through bridge -- as was intended (remember the "your blackberry, amplified" marketing?)
The UI is still above-par -- it's the best of WebOS with some great extras. The OS is technically superior as well. The hardware is rock-solid and the form-factor is perfect for portability.
None of the reviewers complained about the UI, OS, or the hardware -- they complained about the lack of a native email client. Never mind that you could get one of several email clients from App World or that Bridge met that need perfectly (I still prefer it over native, even without the amazing new features in the new client, it doesn't make any sense to me to have it set up separately on the tablet.)
As for Apps, I've found the selection more than adequate. What apps do you think are missing? (It's up to Microsoft to port Skype, and it's up to Netflix to port Netflix. Other than those two, I'm at a loss to find anything missing -- I'd add Hulu to the list, but Hulu worked just fine in the browser for about a week until they purposefully blocked the playbook!) The only category really lacking is games (which I don't care about), but they still have a good number of AAA titles (Dead Space, Modern Combat 2, Need For Speed, Asphalt 6, etc.) and just about all of the popular mobile games like angry birds and bejeweled.
The web browser is undeniably the best on the market. It's fast, great Flash support (it actually doesn't hurt performance), and has better HTML5 support that many desktop browsers -- and better HTML5 support than all other tablets. (WebGL? That works great too!)
Really, the PlayBook is a fantastic tablet that you'd be foolish to ignore when considering a tablet purchase. Try one out some time -- I guarantee that you'll be both surprised and impressed.
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If only every bluetooth keyboard maker would FOLLOW FUCKING STANDARDS.
Place the blame where it's due, if you're even educated enough to pinpoint it.
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Also please list which specs of the PlayBook were superior to the iPad.
Opps, I forgot to list the specs that were superior to the iPad (I thought specs didn't matter?)
The higher dpi display and twice the ram of the iPad2 come immediately to mind (four times that of the iPad). I have little doubt that I can hunt down more, these are just off the top of my head.
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You are comparing the iPad 1 with the PlayBook instead of the iPad 2 which released a month before the PlayBook. Right off the bat, it appears you do not intend be "fair". The rest of your comparison is rather moot.
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LOL!
I take it you haven't used a PlayBook?
The PlayBook holds it's own really well against the new iPad; not too bad for a year-old device. It's superior in many areas to the iPad 2. Comparing it to the iPad 1 is ... just silly. Side-by-side, you'd be hard pressed to find any reason to pick the iPad 1 over the PlayBook.
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Same here; grandma got my daughter Barbies, I got her Nerf guns and Legos. On weekends, daughter breaks out the SW miniatures for gaming. And she just finished up FLL competition.
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You may be more likely to have your e-reader (iPad) on hand than your non-working phone. On the other hand, the camera on it is really just a bonus - clearly based on the accessories, software, and it's inter-connectivity with iCloud, Apple is marketing this towards amateurs who want to do light duty photoshop and share images with others. It's hardly meant to be a primary camera, though it'll fill in - in a pinch.
How dare they do that, without checking with /. first?
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I didn't notice any missing features at launch. I had email, contacts, calendar, etc. through bridge -- as was intended (remember the "your blackberry, amplified" marketing?)
Please. That tethering thing was a stopgap because it was rushed out. Also at the time of launch those mail and contacts support was promised "summer 2011". That date passed and it wasn't until Spring 2012 that the PlayBook had it.
None of the reviewers complained about the UI, OS, or the hardware -- they complained about the lack of a native email client.
Are you kidding? They all complained about the lack of email. That's why they called it "incomplete."
Never mind that you could get one of several email clients from App World or that Bridge met that need perfectly (I still prefer it over native, even without the amazing new features in the new client, it doesn't make any sense to me to have it set up separately on the tablet.)
If memory serves me the iPad didn't require you to have an iPhone. A Xoom didn't require you to have a Droid.
As for Apps, I've found the selection more than adequate. What apps do you think are missing? (It's up to Microsoft to port Skype, and it's up to Netflix to port Netflix. Other than those two, I'm at a loss to find anything missing -- I'd add Hulu to the list, but Hulu worked just fine in the browser for about a week until they purposefully blocked the playbook!) The only category really lacking is games (which I don't care about), but they still have a good number of AAA titles (Dead Space, Modern Combat 2, Need For Speed, Asphalt 6, etc.) and just about all of the popular mobile games like angry birds and bejeweled.
The web browser is undeniably the best on the market. It's fast, great Flash support (it actually doesn't hurt performance), and has better HTML5 support that many desktop browsers -- and better HTML5 support than all other tablets. (WebGL? That works great too!)
If the small selection of apps is fine for you, that's great. Most people (and I mean consumers) would want more apps.
Really, the PlayBook is a fantastic tablet that you'd be foolish to ignore when considering a tablet purchase. Try one out some time -- I guarantee that you'll be both surprised and impressed.
An Android or iPad are really the only choices that offer the best long term viability.
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Apple painted themselves into a corner resolution-wise. They have to double it, or not change it at all.
For some reason iOS developers all forgot how to code for multiple screen resolutions -- even though they've (for the most part) been doing it for years, and handling highly variable aspect ratios at the same time.
Even when I'm targeting a specific mobile device, I make sure that the layout adapts correctly to various resolutions and aspect ratios. It takes very little extra work and the rewards are great when your needs change in the future and you need to port it to a different device or class of devices with different resolutions and aspect ratios.
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Does lock into a stable, lap-ready configuration without the need for cumbersome cases? Bonus if it doubles battey life. No? Tranformer still looks better for anyone who wants a nice keyboard in that case.
Analogies don't equal equalities, they are merely somewhat analogous.
Higher display DPI isn't really a feature when your screen is smaller. The 1024x 600 on a 7" isn't really a better display than a 1024x768 on a 10". If you want a smaller screen, go for it. As for RAM yes it was twice that of iPad2. I didnt see that it mattered much when it came to performance.
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That's why I take my superzoom with me, so that the best camera I have is a good one. If your DSLR is sitting in your closet you have too much camera, a pocket point-and-shoot is a better choice for a camera if you don't actually intend to carry a camera bag, not something as unwiedly as an iPad (the best camera being the one that is with you when your backpack isn't, the fact that it's technically better is just icing). This argument applies to phones, not tablets.
Analogies don't equal equalities, they are merely somewhat analogous.
You can get two desktops for the price of one cheap laptop. Doesn't mean the former gives you what the latter provides.
Yes I'm comparing version numbers, Playbook 1 and iPad 1, fair is fair. Playbook 2 and iPad 2 get compared etc..... The original Playbook was to release long before it did closer to the iPad 1 so it is still a fair comparison, that change that caused the delay effected the uC and that forced a layout rework and hence the delay.
Your move, Einstein.
When all you want to do is available on the "toy" is it still a toy?
And who are you to decide what others would be doing to get their work machine classified as a toy?
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"When all you want to do is available on the "toy" is it still a toy? "
Is it shiny and made of plastic and easily breakable with an exorbitant price?
Yep, it's a toy.
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Please. That tethering thing was a stopgap because it was rushed out. Also at the time of launch those mail and contacts support was promised "summer 2011". That date passed and it wasn't until Spring 2012 that the PlayBook had it.
Odd, I didn't know that they'd take a 'stopgap' measure that actually takes more effort to produce than a native client -- especially one that requires that they make an email, contacts, and calendar app that takes advantage of Bridge!
That's just laughable.
And yes, I prefer Bridge, as do many other happy PlayBook users. Again, if you really really wanted a native client, it was just a download away from day one. Consumers had it even better -- they could actually just use their web mail like they do on their desktop, with the full desktop browsing experience that RIM gave you out of the box.
None of the reviewers complained about the UI, OS, or the hardware -- they complained about the lack of a native email client.
Are you kidding? They all complained about the lack of email. That's why they called it "incomplete."
Reading comprehension fail!
If the small selection of apps is fine for you, that's great. Most people (and I mean consumers) would want more apps.
No, they don't. They've been told that they want more apps. In reality, consumers on average have less than 50 apps installed on their mobile devices. They don't want a zillion apps, they want a few specific ones. App World has over 60,000 apps right now -- a small number compared to iOS and Android, but a number that more than adequately meets the needs of the average consumer. I haven't found App World at all limiting.
An Android or iPad are really the only choices that offer the best long term viability.
LOL! PlayBook sales are up post OS2 and RIM continues to grow their customer base every quarter. Their new OS, back-end tools, and new innovative features (not found on other platforms) are just part of the new RIM -- they're also expanding into new industries where they've shown great potential and have formed great b2b relationships. In short, I highly doubt RIM isn't going anywhere any time soon.
Even if they closed up shop tomorrow, would that make the user experience on the PlayBook any less impressive? That you think they're doomed has no impact at all on how astonishing the PlayBook is today. Just compare something simple like multitasking on the PlayBook to iOS and Android.
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No it does not.
Apple's definition of "retina display" factors in typical viewing distances. Since iPads are held further away than the iPhone in normal usage, pixel density can be lower, and the average human eye still cannot distinguish individual pixels.
...and what accessory provides stylus support? Those artificial fingers that Apple appologists point out every time don't count. A pen is a perfectly natural input device for most everyone, and it is a gaping hole in the feature set of any tablet that lacks one.
A pen is not a specialty item, and singling out Artists as the only ones who might want one is daft. Think students, or anyone else who needs to take notes or annotate something. Natural input of Chinese/Japanese or other unicode characters not found on a keyboard. Mathematical and technical symbols. A pen also allows for far more efficient text input with systems such as ShapeWriter.
As for RAM yes it was twice that of iPad2. I didnt see that it mattered much when it came to performance.
Try out a PlayBook some time. The difference in performance between that an the iPad 2 is very noticeable -- especially when you're multitasking -- which the PlayBook UI actually encourages you to do -- and/or when you have a lot of tabs open in the browser.
Of course, a lot of that is likely also helped by the next-gen OS that the PlayBook uses.
As for the higher DPI, yes, that's a good thing no matter what size the display is! That is, unless you want to argue that the higher DPI display on the new iPad doesn't offer you anything over the old iPad display? (Of course it does!)
Still when you write:
You are entitled to your opinions however you can't dispute facts.
You were just kidding, right? Because it sure looks like you're disputing facts here!
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Maybe you should consider that there is something about the iPad that people actually prefer to the netbooks.
I don't know why you're bothering, you know the answer you are going to get will be something along the lines of:
They're just sheeple and they like the shiny hipster products.
How can you sign up for 4G with Canadian telcos Rogers or Telus? According to the announcement:
"Apple's Tim Cook said. It will support U.S., U.K., and Australian English, French, German and Japanese voice dictation."
So there's no support for Canadian French or Canadian English.
I don't think Rogers or Telus are equipped to deal with foreign languages.
Its all driven off off flash memory prices. Apple is shipping so much stuff they practically determine how fast prices can fall, and with volumes ramping so much, they probably can't fall as quickly as they once did. Maybe, if you're real lucky, you'll get 128GB next year. I wouldn't count on it though.
You can take it out of the cover if you don't need the keyboard.
Not saying that an iPad is the 100% all time, every time, total replacement for a laptop such that we should just stop making laptops, just that it does have some benefits that laptops don't have - mainly in the form factor and battery life.
This doesn't mean that suddenly all laptops are useless, or that the iPad is suddenly meant to replace laptops for all the tasks and use cases.
And having used a netbook? Goodness the screen is shocking. Or more accurately, the OS really doesn't work well on a screen that small. Also note that I do not own an iPad; this is not confirmation bias - I actually have no need for an iPad either, but I can see why they are becoming very popular for tasks that were formerly the exclusive domain of the fully-fledged computer.
As for the higher DPI, yes, that's a good thing no matter what size the display is! That is, unless you want to argue that the higher DPI display on the new iPad doesn't offer you anything over the old iPad display? (Of course it does!)
Using higher display DPI is a meaningless metric when comparing a 7" display with a 10" display. All the phones that have 960 x 480 and higher resolutions have a higher display DPI than your PlayBook. But you wouldn't compare them now to a PlayBook, would you? Because the Motorola Droid 3 destroys your PlayBook. You are basically using a metric to try to force a comparison that isn't comparable.
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You are talking Lenovo, HP, and Dell now, right?
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The popularization of curated computing ... And that's all Apple's fault
Except that curated computing is exactly what game console manufacturers have been doing for the last 30+ years. This "popularization" hasn't had any negative impacts on any of my other computing platforms.
Apple is now abusing patents worse than IBM or MS ever did
I'd say that's pretty arguable. Even if it is true -- why get mad at Apple? Get mad at our joke of a patent system. Get mad at the lawyers. Get mad at our legislators. Get mad at yourself. Apple is just playing by the rules that you and I enabled by voting greedy, short-sighted morons into office.
Hmm, would like to see a source for that. Those titles are usually held by garment manufacturers and mining operations. Still, not good company to be in, eh?
The way I see it if you hated MS in the 90's you should sure as hell hate Apple now.
Fair enough. Though, personally, I was much more worried about Microsoft litigating Linux out of existence than I am about Apple getting an injunction to bar the sale of some random Samsung tablet with round corners in Lithuania.
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The playbook has a 250+ dpi screen?
Cool!
There are moments when it's simply not worth taking the time to reply for one reason or another (e.g. trolling, massive ignorance, refusal to recognize reality). This is one of them.
I'm glad you enjoy your PlayBook. Have fun.
Great, do they deliver to the UK?
Alright, so count me as a doubter that didn't think they'd pull out the super hi-res screen and keep it at the same price. So all of a sudden Apple comes out of nowhere with screen resolution that leapfrogs everything out there, including pretty much all of the LCD desktop monitors that I've used. So where is everyone else with super hi-res screens on commodity LCD monitors, laptops, etc.? Let alone Android tablets? When and where will we see those?
What about trackpads? The Unibody Macbook (and MBP) in 2008 ushered in a whole new era of unbelievable trackpad usability that is as of yet unmatched in the PC world. I have literally tried dozens of trackpads, trackpoints and trackballs in the PC world and they all have issues (the trackpoint is my fallback for the windows laptop - it is good, but my 2011 thinkpad still exhibits ghost-movement).
So, regarding screen resolution - don't hold your breath. It might take a LONG time, if ever that it comes to the commoditized PC world. Apple would be quite happy to be an exclusive provider of retina displays.
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Laptops are heavy. They are after you lug them through an airport for hours. An iPad is light. It is a great device to use to check email and surf the web, as long as you don't need to use the keyboard much. I think it makes a great device for short trips.
This is all true, however if this is what you need then you probably should get an Android tablet, better suited to this task because of more and better laptop-replacement software available and better connectivity (e.g., built in USB for your camera). On my last roadtrip I brought along a Xoom+USB keyboard just as an experiment and also brought a standard netbook. To my surprise, I managed the entire trip without ever turning on the netbook. Mind you, that is because I did not need to do any heavy duty document editing that time, nor any coding. Just maps, reading documents, light editing, and... SSH to my home server, which is where Android really pulls ahead of Apple. There are a bunch of excellent free (as in Freedom) apps for that.
Next roadtrip I guess I will still bring the netbook but I fully expect to leave it in the bag. After LibreOffice arrives and some miscellaneous fixes to things like cut and paste, I guess I will stop packing the netbook around.
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Pretty sure the average distance that someone uses a 40" 1080p TV makes it retina too. Yet, TV manufacturers never fell so low as marketing it as "retina".
Thanks, that confirm what I thought.
I feel much better now that I know that my 22" monitor is retina too.
iPad 2 release date: March 11, 2011
PlayBook release date: April 19, 2011
Yes I'm comparing version numbers, Playbook 1 and iPad 1, fair is fair. Playbook 2 and iPad 2 get compared etc.....
So you're admitting that you don't intend to be fair. Comparing by version numbers instead of comparing by time. By that logic, IE 4 (1997) is the same as Firefox 4 (2011).
The original Playbook was to release long before it did closer to the iPad 1 so it is still a fair comparison, that change that caused the delay effected the uC and that forced a layout rework and hence the delay.
What facts do you have? First of all, the PlayBook was released with Qnx. RIM did not acquire Qnx until April 9, 2010 (iPad 1 release: April 3, 2010) so I don't see how RIM expected to release the PlayBook closer to the iPad 1 unless they have some sort of time machine. Qnx isn't some minor add-on; it's their OS. Second, all these excuses do not bar the facts that the PlayBook was not finished when they did release it in 2011.
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Just buy it in the UK on Orange then.
http://www.orange.co.uk/
I can barely bring myself to respond to such a fanboyish post. Apple is more open even though their devices are 100% closed at the hardware level? And its OK because other manufacturers have done the same - after iOS came out? Please. You'd really love the openness of the old Tivos.
I see you've also fallen for Apple's microcosm of the American Dream:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2712713&cid=39280353
Keep in mind that's the mean not the median, so a handful of super-successful developers are driving that number up.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Maybe you should consider that there is something about the iPad that people actually prefer to the netbooks.
It's the power of marketing.
Me, I greatly prefer the form factor of the Asus Transformer (and Prime). Tablet when you need it, netbook when you need it, doesn't need a separate cover, doesn't need a separate stand, doesn't need a separate battery pack.
If only someone other than Asus would build one with sufficient quality (and the iPad 3 screen - I hate apple's "walled garden" business model but damn I love that screen).
What? When we're talking about DPI, we're talking about clarity. Yes, other devices have a higher DPI than the PlayBook -- consequently, they have sharper displays. This isn't rocket science.
You asked for specs that are higher on the PlayBook than the iPad 2 -- the DPI is indeed higher. Consequently, it has a sharper display.
If you want to ignore that, I really don't care. Though I do wonder why it doesn't count in this instance, when you seem to think it counts when it comes to reading ebooks as you bash lower DPI eInk displays even though they have different screen sizes and resolutions. [ I may have you confused with a different user here. If so, just disregard that last bit. ]
Using higher display DPI is a meaningless metric when comparing a 7" display with a 10" display. All the phones that have 960 x 480 and higher resolutions have a higher display DPI than your PlayBook. But you wouldn't compare them now to a PlayBook, would you?
I wouldn't compare them because those are phones and the other is a tablet. If we were going to compare displays, then yes I would. As you can see above, I unashamedly admit that those displays are sharper than the PlayBook's display. As we're talking about specs between two tablets -- one which has a higher DPI than the other. In that case, the PlayBook clearly has a sharper display.
Why is this so difficult for you to accept? No one product in any category is superior to others on all fronts. The iPad isn't the best tablet for all use cases -- neither is the PlayBook, the Kindle Fire, the Asus Transformer Prime, or any other tablet. Each has their own strengths and weaknesses.
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If it isn't clear to you, the stop gap was RIM always intended the PlayBook to have native clients; but it wasn't ready at the time of launch. I suspect email wasn't the problem. Secure email was the problem. However the stopgap was they marketed the PlayBook as an "accessory" to cover up the fact it wasn't ready. Almost no one but you believed the whole "accessory" thing.
I haven't found App World at all limiting.
Good for you. Unfortunately most consumers disagree with you as they can't find the apps they want. It's not about you.
LOL! PlayBook sales are up post OS2 and RIM continues to grow their customer base every quarter.
Of course they are up. When you start from 0, your sales can only grow up. Also how much of the sales do you think is related to the more than 50% price cuts. Remember when TouchPads didn't sell until HP dropped the price significantly. That doesn't mean the product is successful. If PlayBook sales increased with no price drops, then you might have had a point.
Even if they closed up shop tomorrow, would that make the user experience on the PlayBook any less impressive? That you think they're doomed has no impact at all on how astonishing the PlayBook is today. Just compare something simple like multitasking on the PlayBook to iOS and Android.
If you find the user experience impressive that's your opinion. Most consumers have not.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
The best camera is the one you have with you.
Which is exactly why we have more photos taken than ever, but the average quality is hovering around Zero (as in stinks).
The icameras are the best of the bunch, but they are the world's tallest midgets in that respect.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
I really can't tell if you're trolling, serious or genuinely developmentally challenged.
Well played. Well fucking played.
Except that curated computing is exactly what game console manufacturers have been doing for the last 30+ years. This "popularization" hasn't had any negative impacts on any of my other computing platforms.
Those were specific-purpose toys, not general-purpose computers. Unless you want to call the iOS devices as such, in which case I'd agree with you and point out that Apple is turning general-purpose computers into toys. Gaming machines and all of their software simply become museum pieces when the manufacturer moves on, the same is not and should not be true of computers.
I'd say that's pretty arguable. Even if it is true -- why get mad at Apple? Get mad at our joke of a patent system. Get mad at the lawyers. Get mad at our legislators. Get mad at yourself. Apple is just playing by the rules that you and I enabled by voting greedy, short-sighted morons into office.
Sounds like "don't hate the player, hate the game," the classic quote the criminal delivers after screwing you over, as if he has no control over his own actions.
Fair enough. Though, personally, I was much more worried about Microsoft litigating Linux out of existence than I am about Apple getting an injunction to bar the sale of some random Samsung tablet with round corners in Lithuania.
Apple is doing worse than attacking Linux. They're attacking the concept of open computing itself, Microsoft's greediest ambitions in the past are better than the world Apple is seeking to create, and to a large extent has succeeded in creating - tablets and phones are just about entirely closed now, and it's creeping into Windows 8 and MacOS.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
You are using metric to compare two things not comparable. My motorcycle has better gas mileage than your average car, but it's meaningless to use it compare two things of different classes. As is comparing a truck based on seating capacity to a van. Comparing two vehicles of the same class is how things are normalized. When comparing a 7" tablet with a 10" normalized, you don't compare things that are affected by overall size. In the same vein, I can say the iPad has a much larger sized battery which is true but is also meaningless. The metric that should be gauged is battery life.
Why is this so difficult for you to accept? No one product in any category is superior to others on all fronts. The iPad isn't the best tablet for all use cases -- neither is the PlayBook, the Kindle Fire, the Asus Transformer Prime, or any other tablet. Each has their own strengths and weaknesses.
If you are going to compare two things, use the right comparison.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
so i guess they probably will wait until the ipad 5 comes out... see if they can get a 4 on ebay.
Bad, sadly, the camera in every tablet or phone is mostly crap. Or at least I've never encountered on that comes anywhere near my old, cheap, Canon (much less my DSLR, obviously). This isn't saying that gadget cameras are all pointless, just that jubilation is a bit of an odd emotion over them. And that being jubilant over megapixels is a bit odd, since its an increasingly pointless metric.
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When all you want to do is available on the "toy" is it still a toy?
Yes. Doing all you need to do is a different matter entirely...
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Give it up. The average person never did "content creation." A hundred years ago people read newspapers, they didn't write them. Today people read web pages.
"You can type on an iPad- just not as easily."
A little bit of practice and you can get pretty damned fast. I wouldn't want to write a paper on it (yet), but I've found myself not bothering to open the notebook to answer most e-mail. I can probably do about half my keyboard typing speed on it... say 40 wpm.
I'm sure you can think of something to do with a B-52.
It's already happened. But so what? I hate to tell you, but most people use their computers for surfing the web, Skype and maybe some e-mail.
I took mine on a trip to Europe last year instead of my notebook. It was slightly more awkward to do a few things but MUCH easier to carry. I wouldn't want to switch to an iPad exclusively, but for 90% of the people I know a tablet would probably be fine for their only personal computer.
"Apple screws developers more than users"
Most Apple developers seem to be quite happy. How exactly are they getting screwed?
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And if the product you really want doesn't exist, you could always...you know...invent it yourself? The first pen I linked to was funded by Kickstarter, so it's not like you need to be rich.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
There is no difference between "need" and "want" on a luxury item like a computer. Everything is a "want".
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The phone in your hand is probably better.
Just sayin'.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
Good luck finding a netbook at 1/3 of that price, $133. Even with an added keyboard, the netbook would have to clock in at $150 to be 1/3 of the price.
The point that netbooks are less expensive, I think, is a fair one. But the low end ones typically come with anemic software (e.g. Windows 7 Home Starter) and are underpowered for doing much of anything. Once you add in the cost of software on machines that will run that software, netbooks start being about the same price as iPads. So the original claim, which I understand that you were not making but a post upstream was making, that netbooks have 1/3 the cost of iPads is pretty silly.
A better argument is utility. While there are some niche applications where iPads are obviously the better machine, in most cases a netbook or low end laptop will be a more appropriate choice.
EVERYBODY wants a complete set of Star Wars action figures.
FTFY.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
Not really, tablets can always get thinner, lighter, more battery life, and faster. The first three for usability, and faster because developers can then do more with it. Along the way companies making tablets will also figure out new features they want to include, but they won't be as important as thinner, lighter, more battery, and faster.
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Not to mention that you'd be down one iPad.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
Walk in?
I've already addressed the 'stopgap' nonsense, so I won't bother again.
As for the claim that "most users disagree" I'm willing to bet that you can't support that claim with actual facts. On sites like crackberry, the consensus seems to be that the apps available are more than adequate, lacking only a few "key" apps (netflix and skype)
You're 100% wrong on the claim that the playbook sold no units before the os2 update. You're just making things up now.
As for the completely unsupported claim that "most consumers" don't prefer the PlayBook UI I contend that most tablet buyers haven't even tried using a PlayBook, or even seen one used. To say that they don't prefer something they've never seen is just absurd. It's pretty obvious that you've never used one. Again, I recommend you try one out. Even if you bash it after that, at least you'll have some actual basis for comparison!
I should also point out that reviewers nearly universally praise the PlayBook slick UI. Not that you care -- you don't seem interested in actual discussion.
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Like this:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2712713&cid=39280353
Although I'm sure the few that make good money don't realize they're screwing themselves.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Why wouldn't you compare gas mileage between a motorcycle and a car? If you're choosing between the two,it's certainly a factor!
It could be a key point when choosing which one to take to work or on a trip. It's perfectly reasonable to compare gas mileage between the two!
You're out of your mind.
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Some people actually do Need computers for work. Tablets, not so much...
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Most people who "need" a computer could do it all on paper, so the computer is a "want" and most things done on a computer can be done on a tablet.
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Let me troll here just a little bit ...
I suspect that it is not so much that iOS developers have forgotten how to code for multiple screen resolutions and aspect ratios as never having learned to. The way things are going, I am afraid that they are not going to learn to, either.
I may be false, but I have got the impression think that most of the people who design iOS apps are much the same people who design web pages by painting pictures in Photoshop and translating them into web pages with a fixed width.
Microsoft is also encouraging this behaviour with Metro. A Metro app needs only to support a few different resolutions, and you are encouraged to align your text and other display elements to the same pixels as in other apps. No scaling here, either.
"We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
That appears to be a link to a whiney Slashdotter posting his unfounded opinion.
Which is why I said "some" and not "most" or "all" :)
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Not sure why people think this is a big issue. Battery replacements for laptops can already be like $150 sometimes. Adding 20 minutes of moderately-skilled labor to that equation doesn't change much.
So you figure it's $200 after labor and markup and they can fix their iPad version N - 1. Or they can spend the same $200 on a brand new Kindle Fire version N + 1, which has whatever level of 'better' they manage to put in it given three or four years of technological progress.
You can kind of see how there might be a lot of converts.
There's an element of truth, but having photos as memories for later can be rewarding too. The trick is to know when to take photos and when to put the camera/phone down and enjoy the moment(s).
This seemed like a reasonable sig at the time.
Thinkpad ~t,r or x 60
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Eh, but short of some revolutionary thing (foldable, maybe, like plastic sheets?) I don't see those being big issues for the consumer market the iPad is aimed at.
Since I can't tell them apart, I treat all ACs as the same person.
Rim might of made a few mistakes on release but there very small and really never hindered the tablet, I've used the iPad, iPad2 and Playbook and Playbook 2 and from HOURS and HOURS of testing and comparison, Rim wins all the time. I gave you the comparable stats that are meant to face each other so if you want to try and grab stats from somewhere else we can put them up with each other lets do that.
iPad2 Stats Taken from Apple!
1GHz dual-core A5 CPU
512MB RAM
16GB, 32GB, 64GB storage options
Front & Rear Cameras, front is VGA, rear is 720p
9.7 LED display with 1024×768 screen resolution at 132ppi
GPU said to be 9x faster
Video output supports up to 1080p
Runs iOS 4.3
10 hour battery life
White & Black color options
3G models are AT&T and Verizon compatible
1.3 lbs
Thinner build
Okay so the iPad2 has 1080p out, so does the Playbook so tie there, The iPad2 DOES NOT have a true HD camera so they lose there. The iPad2 is still MUCH heavier which is a down side so they lose there, the Playbook still has more memory so Apple again loses there, The battery life is the same on listing but the Playbook battery doesn't degrade as fast I know from person use so Apple loses another point. I think were not looking good here for the iPad2 ...... The CPU is faster and a better overall architecture in the Playbook so another Apple loss. They don't have a touch interactive frame so another point taken. Okay so the IPad2 takes another fail, the Playbook beats out both of them! I'll give Apple one point for being thinner but being thin and lacking features shouldn't earn them a point.
Great a thinner, higher resolution tablet which still doesn't come close to matching the playbook. In this case sales doesn't equal quality!
I'm still waiting for someone to create an argument which actually disproves this statement.
You offered and opinion (that the Playbook is better than the new iPad [which you've never seen], and the original iPad and iPad 2 by extension).
I (or anyone else) can't disprove that, because it's an opinion that you hold. I can provide various objective measures that can attempt to quantify such things, such as system specs, app ecosystem, sales figures, user experience polls etc, but in the end it comes down to an opinion that you have. Such things are often used but aren't everything - as you say, often the most popular thing isn't the best thing, or the most powerful spec device might not be the best etc. It's never that simple.
If you think the Playbook is better then good for you - go and buy one. The existence or not of the iPad doesn't change that.
With this post though, you've let it slip, since you're definitely trolling. If you're not... well... I really hope you're trolling.
I doubt I will be able to see the difference... :)
The problem is apps do not. There's nothing Windows can do to fix that. You adjust the DPI scaling in Windows and it works great with the OS and apps that are DPI aware. You can set it to extreme values and the scaling is fluid and flawless. The problem is not all apps are and there is fuck all Windows can do in terms of forcing them. Worse still, some apps are "kinda" aware. Like they'll do their UI layout in absolute pixels, but their fonts will be rendered with sizing per DPI scaling so if you turn it up, the UI breaks.
This has been one of the things holding high rez displays back (there are others, anyone who thinks it is simple and unproblematic has their head in the sand) is that scaling can be problematic. Windows has no catching up to do at all, ever since Vista it has had flawless scaling. However they can't make people write their apps properly, and programmers are lazy. It'll take time for stuff to catch up.
Even newer shit can be problematic. Firefox doesn't listen to Windows. On my laptop I have 125% scaling due to the higher DPI. IE works as expected, everything, text, images, layout, is scaled up. FF doesn't listen, it keeps everything at the default size, it wants me to use its internal controls.
Also notices Apple "cheated" a bit: The new display is precisely 2x in each direction of the old one. That means apps that can't handle it can just be pixel doubled. Fair enough, but not so feasible on a desktop. The real answer is apps need to listen to the OS and properly render their UI elements at the size specified. Developers are being slow on that.
Same as colour managed shit. Windows has top rate colour management built in to it. However apps actually have to listen to the colour management profiles Windows stores. Few do. They just blithely assume everything is still sRGB and go on their way, even though the OS provides all the tools they need to find out the actual colour space of a device, and to map to it.
If they find that an iPad fills all of their computing needs, then I don't see what the problem is. It's not like all the manufacturers who are not Apple are going to stop making desktops and laptops.
Yep, especially HP.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Well, a new iPad battery is $50 on iFixit, plus labour cost if you don't want to swap it yourself.
That has been my argument against tablets in most cases: If you have a smartphone and a laptop, which nearly all tablet owners do, your tablet is useless. It doesn't fill a need, it is just a shiny toy. That's the reason I don't own one. I own a lot of tech and I'm always up for more toys, but I can't see what need it fills that is not better filled by my laptop or my smartphone.
I've also observed this at work. A number of professors bought iPads the day they came out (and iPad 2s, and I'm sure they'll do the same here). I see them messing with them from time to time, but never using them for work. They don't use them to give presentations, they use their laptop. They don't use them to check appointments, they use their smartphone. They don't use them to write papers, they use their desktop. They have no need for the thing, it was a "Ooooo shiny!" kind of purchase. They try to invent users for it like "Well I can check my e-mail on it," which of course they could do on any of the other devices.
This isn't to see I've never seen a valid "This does things better," kind of use for tablets, but far less then the numbers sold. Most people have no use for them. That is not to say they cannot find things to do on them, just to say they have other devices that already do those things as well or better.
I really should write this up and save it on my computer since I seem to have to give this talk on Slashdot fairly often. High rez displays are NOT a simple issue. There are a number of technical things that have to happen before they are feasible. Now these things are all finally coming together, but only quite recently. Thus it should be no surprise we haven't seen them yet. So some of the issues are:
1) Proper DPI scaling. If displays are going to get much smaller than the 72DPI standard, then things need to scale up properly so people can still see shit. If you are 18 with laser sharp vision you may not understand but trust me, you will. Well the problem is that many programs still don't do that well. Windows itself does, and has since Vista (XP supported scaling but there were some issues, Vista and 7 do it flawlessly) but some apps do not. Some just don't scale, some break their UIs, etc. So this has to be largely hashed out before higher DPI displays will take off.
2) Interconnect bandwidth. Lots of pixels takes lots of bandwidth and that is not an nontrivial issue. Even 1920x1080x24bpp@60Hz. That takes almost 3gbps raw (not counting control signals or overhead). So say you want that doubled in both dimensions, now you need almost 12gbps raw. DVI can't handle that. DP can, but only the new 1.2 spec which didn't happen until the very end of 2009 (and of course implementation takes time after specification). Now what if you also want deep colour (more than 8bpp) and 120Hz?
3) Video memory. You have to take the entirety of the screen you want to display and double it (double buffering) to get an idea of how much VRAM you need for a basic framebuffer. More for advanced composting. Well that is 64MB just for basic framebuffer for a 3840x2160 display at 24bpp (you store it as 32 bits for various reasons). Not a problem with a 1GB video card, which is common today but not long ago 256MB was "high end" and as I said, you need more than the minimum to do anything useful, like desktop composition.
4) GPU power. No point in having a nice ultra high rez display if everything has to be rendered low rez because there is insufficient GPU power. You need some heavy hitting hardware (lots of ROPs in particular) to push that many pixels. Even today's high end GPUs would strain to do it on complex things and of course it needs to be useful on more budget GPUs.
Of course after all that there is still the issue of cost. Each sub pixel is a transistor (or two transistors in the case of IPS) and transistors cost money. Quadruple the number of transistors, you are increasing the cost of the panel and the LCD market has been extremely cost sensitive.
So it is coming at some point, but there are technical issues, most of which have only recently been overcome and some which still lurk. You can find 4k monitors on the market, if you like you just don't really want to know what they cost.
Their old 2G and 3G phones don't have sims because they are CDMA not GSM. CDMA doesn't use sim cards so they don't have them, it isn't any hatred thing. LTE however, uses sims. Different kind from GSM but still a sim card. Any LTE phone comes with one. I have a Verizion LTE phone, it has a sim in it and it is user replaceable. I had to swap phones and the procedure was to swap the sim card out.
No, those people work at Foxconn, not Foxcomm.
Not really. The devices are - or at least were, when the first ones came out - resource constrained. On a resource constrained device, you do things to save memory, processing power, etc. Arbitrary scaling consumes memory and processing power, so they eliminated that to make the devices more efficient. The problem is backwards compatibility. If you were to take an app from the original iPhone and put it on a putative new iPhone with, say, 50% more pixels, the icons and other screen elements (many of which are bitmaps, not vector graphics) would be smaller than expected. Since the interface is touch, the size of the elements in absolute measurements (not pixels) is critical, and the user experience would be crap. So Apple has chosen to go with simple doubling, rather than resolution independence, to maintain backwards compatibility and keep the user experience high.
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I have no problems reading whole books (hundreds of pages) in a straight go on an iPhone, or even an iPad.
The retina displays make it much nicer to read...
One key thing for long term reading though is contrast of lighting between the display and the ambient light around you. A book is easy to read because generally the book and the room around you have the same level of illumination.
A screen can be harder on your eyes if it's much brighter. But if the device controls brightness well (which the iPad does) then reading is not too hard on the eyes.
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Yet another prediction of Apple's imminent demise by some out-of-touch spec-humper. Yawn, I'm going to take a nap now while my Apple stock appreciates another 20%.
for work? No one in point-of-sale, inventory management? What about all the disabled people who are able to use an iPad as an augmentative communication device?
I think what you meant to say is that *you* don't need a tablet for work, and since you are an obnoxious jerk you couldn't care less about what anybody else needs.
if "Marketing" is the best explanation you have for why hundreds of millions of people are happily using some piece of technology.
Sad, just really pathetic.
I want a keyboard.
Then buy the bluetooth version for the the f'n iPad you schmuck. Then when you don't want to take your keyboard with you and just your iPad you can, but I doubt the reason you don't want one has more to do with some buttsore attitude towards Apple and not the lack of a physical keyboard.
Apple sells 62% of all the tables sold. So, no, not 'everyone is buying iPads. The majority? sure.
Do you prefer, ``Apple owns about 95% of the profits in the tablet market'' then?
either "hate" or "everything"--unless you really plan on intentionally buying something that you hate.
It will be nice someday when I no longer have to listen to insecure geeks who feel like they have to preface every post with "I hate everything about Apple", right before they declare their intention to buy an Apple product.
Arbitrary scaling consumes memory and processing power,
Just about everything you do with a computer "consumes" memory and processing power. Still, scaling or re-flowing a layout isn't exactly a CPU intensive task. One less transition effect per session and I think you'd more than make up the cost! I guarantee that efficiency wasn't a factor when .. deciding what exactly? To encourage developers to target a specific resolution?
The problem is backwards compatibility. If you were to take an app from the original iPhone and put it on a putative new iPhone with, say, 50% more pixels, the icons and other screen elements (many of which are bitmaps, not vector graphics) would be smaller than expected.
Yes, that's why Apple was basically forced to exactly double the horizontal and vertical resolution -- it's the only way to guarantee consistency when automatically scaling everything up.
Since the interface is touch, the size of the elements in absolute measurements (not pixels) is critical
This is basic stuff when it comes to working with arbitrary display sizes/resolutions. IIRC, even as far back as Windows 3.1 sensible developers were working with twips instead of pixels. Again, it's not difficult to make sure that your UI adapts properly -- this is a long-solved problem. You seem to have a decent grasp of the concepts and problems so I'm not sure what your objection is (or even if you're objecting to something I've written)?
I'll be honest with you, I'm really not sure what you're trying to say with your post at all. What is it that you wanted me or other readers to take away from your post?
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I think the business decision comes down to when the sales guy or executive pulls out the iPad it will make a greater impression than a eeePC. I put this into the same category as why we needed a marble fountain in the lobby. There are some jobs where image is more important than function.
That's a little mean considering that I didn't say that no one needs a tablet. Though I will argue that the cases where tablets are essential for work are extraordinarily rare, and likely consist primarily of those who write tablet software and need to test on actual hardware.
That tablets can be useful or helpful for some people in their work or for accessibility reasons is different than saying that they're necessary (a need).
Traditional computers have become, through circumstance, a need for many workers. That is, the only way they can do their job is with a computer. A tablet, no matter how useful, hasn't become a need in that sense at all. Even in the disability case you mention tablets are naively used in place of other established methods and don't bring anything new aside from novelty.
A need would take them from being unable to perform some function required of them to being able to perform said function. A needed device doesn't mean "makes my job easier" it means "I can do my job now when I couldn't before" or "I can't do my job at all without it" if you prefer.
Here's a car related analogy: An auto mechanic needs a set of wrenches. They do not need a set of those new wrenches with the built-in ratchet. One is necessary for them to work, the other just makes their job easier. Do you see the difference?
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"The tablet comes in at 9.4mm and 1.4 pounds, and will be available in black and white. It's 9.5 inches high, 7.31 inches wide, and 0.37 inches deep."
So, a high resolution display, but monochrome. I will get an android tablet with a colour screen, thanks.
They whose government reduces their essential liberties for temporary security, receive neither liberty nor security.
USA is everybody's business, because it makes itself everybody's business. How about USA stops trying to impose itself upon everybody and nobody will bother with it again.
Besides, I always liked the Southern states, waiting for Texas to secede to do business there again.
You can't handle the truth.
If they were selected the same way as they were at my last company ("the top 50 managers"), they already weren't doing much actual work anyways. The dirty secret of big business is that management spends a lot of its time and other resources on political infighting.
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People who only need to an iPad can do that. People who need to do actual work done won't.
I own an iPad and an iMac. Never has the thought of ditching my iMac crossed my mind.
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Got a link?
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Long enough so people can buy an iPad, an iPhone, an iPod, an AppleTV, and a MacBook as their only computer.
This device, or more accurately, its display, is going to finally convince me to buy into Apple's ecosystem. That 4:3 display, with close-to-paper aspect ratios and 260+ DPI, should finally offer a pleasant experience for viewing multi-column full colour PDFs.
If there was an Android competitor in the offing, I'd wait for it. But I can't find anything other than tech demos from Samsung, which they had no plans to turn into a consumer product. The best competitor appears to be a 1920x1200 tablet, but the widescreen form factor (aka narrowscreen in portrait mode) is nothing like as good for looking at documents.
My last two phones were Androids (HTC Desire, Motorola Atrix), but depending on how the iPad experience turns out, I think my next phone purchase might hop the fence. (I'm sick of buying premium phones that are abandoned by their manufacturers months later... the Atrix hardware is great, but I'm pissed that Motorola isn't going to give it Android 4).
People stopped buying the netbooks and instead bought the iPad.
That's not really what happened.
Quite a few people were using netbooks for tasks that a tablet was more well suited to. Those that were and were happy to pay the price of an iPad bought iPads instead.
But, apart from a few uses, they're not really comparable.
What actually happened is that ASUS sold small, cheap, light (did I mention cheap, small and light) but otherwise fully functional computers which were really small, cheap and light. And surprisingly robust, too.
They sold bucket loads of them. Then all the other vendors jumped on board and they sold lots too.
At this point there was a healthy market for machines like the eee900 and eee901 (1st gen Atom).
Then they started making them bigger, heavier and more expensive. Microsoft wanted them to run Windows but wanted to kill XP and they have a lot of influence. Intel wouldn't sell chips to vendors wanting to do anything interesting. Then the iPad came out.
Now they're not so small, not so light and not so cheap low powered laptops.
The iPad didn't kill the netbook. The manufacturers of netbooks and associated vendors killed the netbook quite well on their own.
Then Apple came out with the iPad. That was bad primarily because other vendors are half-way obsessed with trying to copy Apple (with little success) rather than figuring out how to sell to people not well served by Apple.
That's not Apple's fault.
But the consumer certainly lost.
You know, my eee 900 is lighter than any netbook currently available.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Two crappy laptops, so what's the point? Real laptops cost a bit more than $250.
It's already "deceptively capable" for media consumption, casual gaming, light email and web. It's not built for content creation though. But for the average Joe Sixpack, this is what they have been using a computer for the last 15 years or so, since computers became commonplace in the home.
The average desktop or laptop computer today is vastly overpowered for the average home user, unless they have a video editing hobby or something else that needs more horsepower and a better user interface for content creation than a tablet has today.
A laptop is in the "portable' category, but not in the 'mobile' category, such as the iPad. So it "does less" than an iPad in that regard.
Your move. If you insist of using stupid marketing labels, I can play too.
Write boring code, not shiny code!
There are two important differences:
1. I can buy a replacement laptop/phone/other tablet battery off eBay or at the local shop and fit it myself. In fact many of these devices have a quick-release mechanism for the battery so that heavy users can carry a spare.
2. When the device is dead and I need to dispose of it the battery should be separated and put in a recycling bin. This should be easy to do and not require special tools.
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Says the guy who carries his desktop, power cables, keyboard and monitor with him.
120 characters ought to be enough for anyone
The popularization of curated computing is the worst thing ever done in the history of computing (for the industry itself and users, of course worse things have been done using computers). And that's all Apple's fault.
"Curated" as they are "services". It isn't the same as the water company curating the water supply, so when I run the tap the water is safe, but there is an element of that. But for those kinds of benefits, it does suggest Apple will become the dominant service. But I don't hate my water company for being a monopoly, I'd hate them is they provided a bad service and I was stuck with them. So this isn't as yet quite the same as Microsoft, although it could be in 5 years or so.
There could be more open interoperability between platforms -- Apple didn't even want to allow native apps on the iPhone to begin with, it was all to be web apps -- but native code just always seems to perform better, and look better. The market is making a lot of these choices, including the app developers. People seem to want mobile computing and networking.
On the plus side, tablets are far from essential, and people are not as yet relying on them exclusively, although some vertical applications already do. So things could shift quickly even if Apple remained dominant for a few years. What's the cost of replacing one tablet with a different one? Not much.
Maybe we'll see different industries standardise on different platforms. Maybe airlines use iOS, medical industry uses Android, travelling sales people use Windows, etc. I think it would be quite hard for Apple to truly become a global monopoly on computing.
My understanding is apple takes a 30% cut of sales through the app store. if they cannot make money on what is effectively storage and credit card processing @ 30% they should hire dropbox.
The retina display makes the iPad a perfect media consumption device.
Apple's app ecosystem (iLife + iWork + Camera Connection Kit) make the iPad a fitting computing device for 80% of the public.
LTE allows that 80% to not need to buy anything else for their computing needs - no dedicated internet service with associated modems, no WiFi access point, etc.
Five minutes after purchasing an LTE iPad you have a fully functioning broadband internet connected computing device which is all most people need.
I didn't know Blockbuster operated outside the US either....so....
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
consumption
Which makes me think of consumption the disease. Can we get a more precise word in there?
It's not built for content creation though.
And this is where the problem comes. Someone who has already sunk $499 into a viewing-only device and then gets an urge to start creating works is likely to have no money left to buy a device for creating and thus to end up just deciding not to create. That's why I bought a netbook instead of an iPad.
if they buy it because they were deceived
People have been deceived every day since 3760 BC. Someone may be deceived about his or her own future intent, whether he or she is going to want to start creating works within six months. Someone may be deceived about there being "an app for that", unaware that Apple excludes .
they are quickly going to go back to a computer.
If they can afford one while still paying off the iPad. "I just bought you an iPad six months ago, Staisy. You don't need a computer."
The problem comes six months after "an iPad fills all of their computing needs", when they end up finding that "their computing needs" have changed and an iPad no longer fills them, but they have no money for a proper PC.
Watch the announcement video.
Android apps don't flow nicely on large screens. It looks like when you browse to a site meant for a phone on a tablet.
granted you could just have multiple views and flow layouts based on screen resolution, size, DPI, etc. But that sounds like a giant pain in the ass.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
Your going by release dates, Using your logic then a product doesn't exist before it's released! The playbook was released after the iPad but BEFORE the iPad2, BEFORE Rim even knew that there would be a iPad2 so how can you compare them.
What?!! The iPad 2 (March 11, 2011) was released BEFORE the PlayBook (April 19, 2011). Unless in your world, March follows April, you clearly are confused. As for RIM not knowing when the iPad 2 would be released, that is utter BS. Apple holds very public product launches attended by hordes of media. Unless RIMM lived in a cave without access to Internet, they would have known about it March 2. If they had any clue, they would have guessed Apple would launch it weeks earlier when Apple set up the event and sent out invites.
The Playbook was meant to compete with the iPad NOT the iPad2, NOT the iPad3 etc..... There for to draw the conclusion you compare Apples to Apples and there for you compare the iPad and the Playbook, just like the Playbook2 is meant to compare to the iPad2.
Please. That's your excuse and denial talking. What you are saying is that RIMM or any company wants to be at least a year behind their competitor and targeting a product that their competitor would soon be ending manufacturing. And that company wants to be a year behind all the others in that field.
Rim might of made a few mistakes on release but there very small and really never hindered the tablet, I've used the iPad, iPad2 and Playbook and Playbook 2 and from HOURS and HOURS of testing and comparison, Rim wins all the time. I gave you the comparable stats that are meant to face each other so if you want to try and grab stats from somewhere else we can put them up with each other lets do that.
You have a PlayBook; you find that it works for you. That's great. I don't want to have to buy a fucking Blackberry just to get email. That was a deal breaker for me.
The battery life is the same on listing but the Playbook battery doesn't degrade as fast I know from person use so Apple loses another point.
Opinion is not fact.
The CPU is faster and a better overall architecture in the Playbook so another Apple loss.
Again, opinion is not fact. And you should check your facts. Both use a dual-core Cortex A9.
They don't have a touch interactive frame so another point taken. Okay so the IPad2 takes another fail,
Opinion is not fact. It seems the entire point of your diatribe is you prefer the PlayBook. More power to you. However you seem somewhat threatened that someone who has different needs than you chose differently. This has led to a need to insult another person's choice as if you need to justify your choice. If I was in the market for a tablet, the first negative was no email. RIMM promised it would be ready "summer 2011". That passed. Then the rumor was winter. Finally early Spring, the patch was released. As a potential customer it does not give me confidence.
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no, on the apple site there are hordes of people bitching about products they bought... here there are hordes of people bitching about products other people bought.
There is something called "normalization" that occurs in analysis to perform a fair comparison. That's why car magazines compares vehicles in the same class together. They never compare a Mercedes E class sedan to a Toyota minivan. If that's not clear let me demonstrate a fair comparison:
Motorola Xoom (10.1 1280x 800) has higher DPI than the iPad: fair
Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 (1280 x 800) has higher DPI than the iPad: fair
Samsung Galaxy Tab (7" 1024 x 600) has higher DPI than an iPad: not fair.
If this isn't clear, then there's no hope.
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You have a PlayBook. If it works for you then go with it. You also seem to ignore that people without a fucking Blackberry are completely turned off by the need to buy one to get email on a $500 smart phone "accessory" that costs more than they paid for their smart phone. Why is that so hard for you to understand. The rest of your post is a rant about how much you like the interface. Again good for you. But you seem completely unhinged that someone does not like the interface as much as you.
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...most of which goes to the credit card companies and for maintenance costs. Apple makes a small profit off the store, but it's entire purpose is to move sales of iDevices. So the facts simply do not meet the "Apple is meaaaan to developers" storyline.
It's much easier than you think.
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Did you think about this before posting?
Where does Apple make most of it's money - hardware.
Where does EA make most of it's money - software.
What does EA stand to gain from having it's own app store: cutting out the middleman. No more Best Buy or GameStop taking a cut of the purchase price. After the credit card companies take their cut and maintenance costs are paid for, it's pure profit for EA.
Whatever makes you feel better.
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Your Google skills are pathetic: http://www.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/global/products/monitors/topics/en/monitor_3007wfp?c=us&l=en
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What? How do you mean "unhinged"? It's pretty clear that you're not familiar with the UI -- or any other aspect of the tablet at all. All I suggested was that you try it out before you pass judgement.
As for needing a BlackBerry to make full use of the PlayBook, that's just completely not true.
All I did was answer your questions -- that the facts don't match your faulty assumptions isn't my fault. Get over yourself.
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Given all the people I've talked to who bought a DSLR because their friends did (status symbol), and then promptly left it in a closet after 6 months, I'd say there are a lot of them. "Serious cash" to some people is not "serious cash" to others.
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Technically? Sure.
But the creative side? Making sure that the UI flows correctly and maintains cohesion with the smaller screens?
That's a non-trivial task.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
Lots of disabled folks can't afford $5000 for an augmentative communication device but can afford $500 for an iPad.
But that's irrelevant. It doesn't matter if some other device could theoretically do roughly the same job, if a tablet does that job better for that person then I don't see why anyone should feel like an indulgent elitist prick for buying one--which is exactly what you are implying.
Basically, you don't like iPads because someone who wears nicer shoes than you likes their iPad. It's pathetic, transparent, and boring.
I guess that depends on the developer. I've never had any trouble with it.
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"Autodesk Sketchbook, GarageBand, iMovie, iPhoto, the iWork suite and a couple games."
All of which were created by someone sitting at a keyboard.
It's part of basic analysis. Anyone who has a clue of data analysis understands this. Apparently you did not.
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It's completely clear that you can't stand it when someone doesn't like the PlayBook. Again, if it suits your needs, have a blast. Not everyone shares your opinion.
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LOL! Please, get over yourself! This is so damn sad and pathetic! We're comparing two tablets, for goodness sakes. You seem to think that 7" vs 10" is a massive difference that put them in two totally different classes. I clearly disagree. Now consider that we're talking about specs, and that we're *already* comparing the two tablets! You decided that this particular spec isn't comparable (based on what?) and then call this a "part of basic analysis". You're seriously stretching in an effort to make sure that no spec is actually higher in the tablet you dislike. You dismissed the RAM spec and you seem desperate to dismiss the DPI spec.
So, tell me, what range of sizes are comparable in your mind? Do those apply equally across all devices, or just tablets? what about 13" compared to 10"? Is that okay? What about 7" and 8" ? How about 8" and 10"
I'm willing to bet that you don't have any objective criteria and that you're just making shit up as you go along.
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Is it? It seems to me that you're not qualified to comment on the topic at all, never having used the product. Your second-hand understand is, as I've pointed out, terribly flawed. Your beliefs don't match the facts. Your opinions, based on faulty beliefs, aren't grounded in reality.
Remember: Opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it.
All I've asked is that you check it out. I've even said that even if you choose to bash it after giving it a try, at least you'd have some basis for your opinion.
If my rationality conflicts with your preconceptions, that's your problem, not mine.
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If you are using a metric affected by size, you should try to normalize the size by comparing things of similar class for that metric to have any meaning. Of course this aspect of critical thinking seems completely lost on you. By your logic, an iPod Touch is just a really small tablet; it destroys the iPad and the PlayBook and every tablet out there in terms of DPI. No metrics need to have any context according to you. A subcompact car should have all the same characteristics as a full size car. A laptop CPU should have the same performance as a serve CPU. That is the basis of your logic? If you ever looked at any real comparisons of cars in any car magazine, they group them in classes. If you looked at any comparison of laptops by manufacturer they group them by size. Have you noticed a trend here or has all of this escaped your attention?
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Which facts were not true from the beginning? PlayBook did not have native email or that it took them a year to get it. All you really had is you liked the PlayBook better. That isn't your rationality. That's your lack of acceptance that not everyone has your needs. But that's what you are sticking with.
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> You may be more likely to have your e-reader (iPad) on hand than your non-working phone.
Why would your phone be non-working? Are you stipulating that you go to take a photo with your 4s, and oops, the phone is busted? Or, I don't have an iPhone, so it could be that this escapes me, but are you saying that the iPhone will not take pictures unless it has service? And the iPad will?
I still don't see the scenario where this would make sense.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
That would be a rather bulky and heavy tablet. This is why Steve Jobs never did market research.
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Okay, so you DON'T have any objective criteria then for classifying tablets by size.
That figures. I didn't think you put any thought in to it at all.
Like I said before, whatever makes you feel better.
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Name one company that beat Apple to market with a better first-gen tablet. Degree of difficulty: How did it actually sell if it was so good?
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the big difference being that Apple screws developers more than users.
Total bullshit. Apple has paid developers billions they would not have made otherwise. Apple doesn't even make money on the App Store.
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Which facts were not true from the beginning?
This has already been addressed. Of course, you don't care about facts that don't fit your completely uninformed preconceptions.
PlayBook did not have native email
Again, a native email client was just a download away from day one.
As I've also pointed out, Bridge was not a stopgap (it took more effort to create than a vanilla mail client) -- it was how it was intended to work. That you disagree with what the company stated officially is entirely your problem. Was it promised? Yes, but only after they took an undeserved beating in the press.
You know what's funny? My computer didn't come with a "native" email client, but no one claimed that it was missing features!
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Have you been alive the last year when tablets came out? They are categorized by size, OS, and manufacturer. There are 10" tablets, 7" tablets, even 5" ones. Everyone seems to classify them as such but you. It seems something as simple as classifying things into readily identifiable groupings is hard for you to grasp.
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So if it was intended of that was how it was supposed to work, why the hell did RIMM promise to fix it by summer 2011. Then by Spring 2012? That destroys your logic doesn't it.
As for email, every tablet before it had email. That destroys your logic again.
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It's not that their categorized, it's how their categorized -- more specifically, it's how their categorized in such a way that you think DPI is incomparable between the two.
You also don't seem to understand that there are often more than one way to group or categorize things and that different items will be in the same or different groups depending on the criteria you use to categorize things.
So, again, I ask -- what criteria do YOU use to determine if DPI is comparable between two variously sized displays?
I think that the answer is "nothing" because you're just making this up as you go along. If not, feel free to tell me if 9" display is comparable to a 10" display and why it is or is not comparable. Then apply that same criteria to a 7" and 8.5" display and then to an 8.5" display and a 10" display.
Is it merely the diagonal size or does the aspect ratio also factor in to your alleged criteria?
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Nobody who was holding off on buying an ipad was doing so because the screen resolution wasn't high enough or their wasn't enough processors.
Ummm, an iPad in a cover with a built in bluetooth keyboard, how is that different from say a netbook at 1/3 the cost?
They make netbooks for less than $500 with a 2048x1536 screen, a 10 hour battery life, under 1.5lb, touch screens and LTE modems? (Someone is going to mention their netbook has a USB port, no doubt) - so you win, you have VGA and USB, I have the tablet I want.
While I'll likely stick to Aperture, the fact is, iPhoto on the iPad now appears to have more functionality than it's Mac counterpart. Aside from once when I needed support for tracking revisions in a Word document someone had sent, iWork has always done just fine for simple documents. GarageBand is wasted on me, as would be Autodesk, but that's not iPads fault, it's my lack of musical and artistic abilities. iMovie works just fine for editing 2 minutes of video of my kids, and I always have the ability to transfer video back to the Mac if i needed something more.
Has my iPad replaced owning a laptop? Heck no. But it has replaced it on several trips, I just don't always need it. You can create plenty of content, but no, of course it's not the one device to replace everything. I still have TVs in the house, cell phones in the pocket and laptops in the bag.
I want a keyboard and USB and printing and...
So don't buy a Bluetooth keyboard or plug a USB keyboard into the Camera Connection Kit, and don't get a compatible wireless printer (or download an app that makes every printer compatible). If you don't get any of that stuff, you can still complain that it doesn't do any of that stuff.
Erm, he didn't say "everyone". That's you misreading what he wrote.
No. They promised to add native functions only AFTER they were lambasted in the press. They did not initially promise said app.
I've already explained this to you. I guess when facts don't fit into your preconceptions, you just ignore them?
By your "everyone else had it" criteria then, was the iPhone "incomplete" because it lacked features that every other smartphone had (such as copy/paste, apps, MMS)?
Is the current iPad incomplete because it lacks features that all the other major tablets have?
Again, the PlayBook had ALL of the features from day one that you claim it didn't have. (Email contacts and calendar.) Just because you didn't like how they implemented them doesn't change that fact. Again, if you wanted a native email app, it was just a download away on day one. Are you upset that RIM didn't pre-install it? You're REALLY stretching here.
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No indeed. But different people buy in at different points of the technology adoption cycle. From early adopters to laggards. There's two pints to consider:
1) For those that don't care about resolution or having the latest thing, the price of the existing base model iPad2 has just reduced by $100. Reducing prices is one of those things that brings in more adopters.
2) As people do adopt tablets, Apple wants them to buy iPads rather than a competitor. And that requires periodic updates to keep ahead. With the doubling of resolution, iPad is now way ahead of competitors and will be for some time.
Show us on this doll where the bad man touched you.
Come on, you have to say it right :)
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
I think you are confusing American Girl Dolls http://www.americangirl.com/index.php and RealDolls http://www.realdoll.com/ (NSFW...)
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
My former boss took the iPad IT got for test/problem reproduction. It has all the Angry Birds levels beaten on it, but I don't know it has ever been used for work purposes...
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
If this were a discussion about an Android device like the Transformer, the Apple fanbois would all be mocking anyone dumb enough to want to carry around a huge tablet to take pictures with, just like they mocked voice controls before Siri. "Who would want to be seen talking to their PHONE?"
Yeah, all those Apple fanbois making fun of iPhone users since June 2009. And then they had to wait a year so they could make fun of Fandroids.
Fandroids hate facts.
Glad to see this finally announced/released and while I'd love to exchange for my iPad2, I don't see a compelling reason to upgrade. Without Steve Jobs doing the dramatics, watching the Live Blog was almost as exciting as Watching Grass Grow.
Yeah, this will be a failure just like the last product Cook tried to sell. What was it called again?
Fandroids hate facts.
I'm saying that in a scenario where your phone does not have service, you're less likely to keep it on you.
So the facts simply do not meet the "Apple is meaaaan to developers" storyline.
Yeah, the psycho doesn't profit from murdering so he never murdered. Logic.
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Pout while waving your arms around as much as you like, but it wont change the fact that Apple takes a very small portion of App revenue as profit. There are plenty of honest ways to bitch at Apple - like offshoring their manufacturing with their high profit margins - but this isn't one of them.
You're flipping it. It's actually the Apple hipsters who think like that. As evidence, ask many iPhone people about comparing their tiny phones to the latest generation 4.3"/4.5" display Android phones, and they'll tell you it's "too big".
As soon as apple has a display with a large screen, it'll be all wavy gravy.
I bet you were one of those who claimed the iPhone's screen was too large when it came out.
Fandroids hate facts.
The 4.3"/4.5" displays aren't considered "too big" because of their resolution. They're considered too big because few people want something that big in their pocket or purse. That may seem like a silly fashion-based decision, but there is something to say about a device that slips easily in and out of your pocket and doesn't create an unsightly bulge.
Not to mention that many of those large screens don't even have the resolution of the iPhone 4.
Fandroids hate facts.
so, that way, you can reach your monthly limit in under 6 minutes with the AT&T 3 Gig limit.
Which isn't a problem for Android phones, because ....
Fandroids hate facts.
Please remind me of the chapter in logic 101 which teaches to conclude that apple not profiting from being mean to developers implies apple is not mean to developers.
Thanks
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What's the point of a back camera on a tablet, anyway? It's very bulky to be conveniently used to take photos - that's what a smartphone is for.
Augmented reality for example. Or is that only allowed on smartphones?
Fandroids hate facts.
I've tried a few things along those lines, and found it to be pretty pointless on either tablets or smartphones, to be honest. It really needs to be some form of eye-wear to be used for anything other than the occasional show to your friends.
No. They promised to add native functions only AFTER they were lambasted in the press. They did not initially promise said app.
Please, you are in serious denial. Googling the initial PlayBook reviews from before it was launched is pretty easy to do. All of them including this one from Wired on April 13, 2011 says "If you don’t have a BlackBerry phone, you’re out of luck until summer, when RIM says a future software update will bring native clients to the PlayBook." April 13. That is a week before it went on sale meaning Wired had to have a loaner one for their review. Which means that it was RIMM's plan all along to have email but it wasn't ready by launch.
By your "everyone else had it" criteria then, was the iPhone "incomplete" because it lacked features that every other smartphone had (such as copy/paste, apps, MMS)?
Please. That one has been done to death. Not having email as a major part of functionality is nowhere in the same league as not having cut and paste. Also you seem to forget that RIMM promised to have it "summer 2011" but it wasn't until 2012 that they fulfilled that promise. I don't remember Apple ever saying that they would release cut and paste when the iPhone came out.
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You also don't seem to understand that there are often more than one way to group or categorize things and that different items will be in the same or different groups depending on the criteria you use to categorize things.
You seem to lack common sense when it comes to categories. Size is a major category when it comes to computers and tablets and cars.
So, again, I ask -- what criteria do YOU use to determine if DPI is comparable between two variously sized displays?
And I keep telling you a metric affected by size should be normalized when comparing things of two different sizes. Otherwise the comparison is somewhat meaningless. It's why you don't compare battery size between a 7" tablet and a 10" tablet because the 10" one will always have a bigger battery. The metric that is most important is battery life.
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I doubt the new 4x screen, better camera, the A5X, the 4G LTE chipset, and the larger batteries are cheaper....
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"Nothing compelling to upgrade for me..."
I'd have to see that screen first. It might be quite compelling...
Any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.
"The popularization of curated computing is the worst thing ever done in the history of computing..."
Right. Because everyone just loved spending the past decade dealing with infected and corrupted PCs, viruses, worms, trojans, and bot-nets, and spending our dollars on the anti-virus scanners and software needed to keep them up and running. Not to mention dealing with software updates and installations and software incompatibilities.
Not to use another car analogy, but... back in the day, you practically needed to be a mechanic to own and operate an automobile. You fixed it, you tuned it, you changed the oil, you practically all of the maintenance. Today, many, many more people own and operate automobiles. They're transportation. They're tools. And when they break, you hand 'em over to a specialist to fix. Heck, you even drop it off for a 10-minute oil change.
Now, some people still like to work on cars. Some tear them apart and rebuild them. And that's cool, if that's how you like spending your time. Thing is, most people would rather do other things than spending their afternoon fixing a broken car... or computer.
It's a cliche to say that computers are becoming appliances. But it's a cliche that's true. And you know we're getting there when you see a 5-year-old and a grandmother both happily tapping away on an iPad.
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Not a good analogy, you don't *have* to hand a car over to a specialist to fix. If you compared curated computing to their true automotive equivalents, the "lump sum rental" vehicles like the Nissan GTR, McLaren F1 and Maybach, that would be a better comparison, and even if you want to equate the PCs of yesteryear with pre-model-T cars (cars have been reasonably easy to run since the '20s - "peak simplicity" was in the early/mid 80s and they've been getting more complex since with computerized equipment replacing simple mechanical devices), at best we're going from one bad thing to another bad thing that's just bad in a different way. At least with the old bad thing you had the freedom to maintain your own car and choose your own mechanic.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
This guy has a nice review for the new iPad. http://creativefisher.blogspot.com/2012/03/ipad-3-kahaani-and-corruption.html
I don't have to hand my iPad over either... if I have the tools and parts.
I, personally, could replace a back or screen or pc board if need be. Same with the car. Some things I could fix. Others, say, where you need to tie into the computer in order to determine what's wrong, I could not. Don't have the tools or knowledge.
My girlfriend simply doesn't understand cars or electronics at all. If anything breaks in the car -- or in the tablet -- a "specialist" is needed. That doesn't stop her from driving, or from using her iPad.
Any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.
LOL. Before you start talking logic and evidence, you might want to provide a shred of either to back up your assertion that Apple is being "unfair" to developers. Because so far all you got is Haterade.
I am not saying Apple is being mean to developers, nor am I saying Apple is NOT being mean to developers. All I am saying is that apple not profiting from being mean to developers DOES NOT IMPLY Apple is NOT being mean to developers. Your below quoted statement proves that you tried to make such a misguided implication.
So far you had only displayed your failure in elementary logic, now you display failure in reading comprehension. Great going.
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Do you use a cannon or a howitzer for your projection? Apple's supposed "unfairness" to developers is only the entire point of this entire thread:
I have already quoted your post where you assumed "Apple not profiting from being mean to developers implies Apple is NOT being mean to developers". This assumption is erroneous and displays your ignorance of Logic 101.
I replied to that post of yours, I didn't reply to the "entire thread". Whether in the context of this "entire thread" or not, your aforementioned assumption is erroneous and will remain so. Which I pointed out, maybe your shill salary will be reduced this time, not sure of your exact agreement with the PR company.
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